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Looking back: When things didn’t go as planned

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi

With two days left in 2013, I thought we’d spend the next 48 hours or so looking back at the past year. We’ll interrupt our regularly scheduled programming if any news breaks or the Yankees actually announce one of the signings we already know about, but let’s start the day planning to look back at some of the notable and quirky things that happened in the past 12 months.

To kick it off, consider this lineup based on things that actually happened this year.

Ichiro Suzuki CF
Zoilo Almonte LF
Robinson Cano SS
Vernon Wells 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
Ben Francisco DH
Lyle Overbay RF
Mark Reynolds 2B
Corban Joseph 1B

RHP Alberto Gonzalez

Alberto Gonzalez1. Ichiro Suzuki had a .297 on-base percentage. He also made 18 starts as the Yankees leadoff hitter, more than any Yankee except Brett Gardner. He started in center field nine times.

2. Nothing particularly unusual about Zoilo Almonte in left field, but he was also the Yankees No. 2 hitter three times last season. Such was the state of the Yankees lineup that a hot start by a rookie deserved top-of-the-order placement.

3. The Yankees often played without a true backup infielder, and on April 13, that short-handed risk forced Robinson Cano to play shortstop while Francisco Cervelli handled second base.

4. Twenty four starts as the Yankees cleanup hitter for Vernon Wells, but that’s not what stands out. More glaring is the fact he once had to play third base late in a game (he also got a third of an inning at second base and actually started a game at first).

5. No non-catcher had to get behind the plate this year, but it is worth noting that at the time of his broken hand, Francisco Cervelli had taken control of the position and was hitting enough that the Yankees actually batted him fifth four times. He batted .100 in those games, but actually did have a homer from the No. 5 spot.

Ben Francisco6. Not only was Ben Francisco the Yankees DH and No. 6 hitter, he was their DH and No. 6 hitter on Opening Day!

7. When Mark Teixeira came off the disabled list, Lyle Overbay‘s bat was actually so potent against right-handers that the Yankees stuck him in right field. He made four starts out there, something he’d never done in 12 previous big league seasons.

8. On August 27, Mark Reynolds was a late-inning, emergency replacement at second base. The next night, he actually started at the position. He’d played some middle infield in the minors, more than a half decade earlier.

9. How’s this for a Major League debut? Corban Joseph was called up to help out in a double header, and made his first big league start at first base, a position he’d played three times in the minor leagues.

10. Not only was Alberto Gonzalez on the Yankees roster, but he got 34 at-bats — that’s more than J.R. Murphy — and played five different positions including both outfield corners and a May 15 relief appearance when he came straight from shortstop to retire his one and only batter.

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100 Responses to “Looking back: When things didn’t go as planned”

  1. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    AROD POLL

    so if you want to play the AROD POLL, just put your prediction for how many games the arbitrator gives him and make sure to put AROD poll somewhere in the comment so i can search for it.

    ill keep a list and post it a few times so people can check it.

    ill go first, my prediction is 162 games.

  2. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Y’s-

    I’m going with 100 for A-Rod.

  3. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Arod poll:

    65 games.

  4. Niblick December 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    AROD POLL

    80 games

  5. FanSince1948 December 30th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    81 games for Alex

  6. blake December 30th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Two fights that might not prove worthwhile: MLB vs. A-Rod, #Yankees vs. $189M. Column:
    http://t.co/Zwsi1XxW1R

    One of the best articles I’ve read on the actual Yankee patrol situation

  7. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    not seeing vernon wells on the roster would be a nice psychological break from last season.

  8. blake December 30th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    I said 100 I’m the beginning I think so I’ll stick with that. Which would mean they are already over 189.

  9. blake December 30th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I think my 25 man would be the best team in baseball

  10. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    JF-

    If you’re out there.

    Just wanted to thank you for the Tanaka video.

    :)

  11. blake December 30th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    http://i.mobypicture.com/user/.....w/16400362

    This is funny….maybe we can make one of these for Arod

  12. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    not impressed by the rosenthall article. its basically just a rehash of what’s happened so far.

    should mlb have bought evidence? not exactly breaking news.

    and as for the 189, it was a goal not a mandate and they tried to field a competetive team and stay under 189 and likely failed at it. i always assumed the plan was to try to stay under UNLESS they signed cano or tanaka and that’s exactly where it is.

    no real insight into either issue.

  13. blake December 30th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    not impressed by the rosenthall article. its basically just a rehash of what’s happened so far.”

    But it’s an accurate one…..I like many of the inaccurate summaries you read suggesting that the Yankees can still sign Tanaka and get under 189

  14. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    189 = burnt toast

  15. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    levine is the only one who suggested they could sign tanaka and stay under. and also the only one who suggested they can stay under even if arod is no suspended.

  16. chicken little December 30th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The Yanks failed to be competitive and stay under189 because the “brain trust” convinced itself that every prospect would work out as planned and every player under contract would perform at the level he performed at 5 years ago.

  17. 86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Good morning all —-

    It was always clear to me that the best and only realistic chance of getting under $ 189 M was to go into “total rebuild” mode.

    It would have been better to target $ 150 and sign no one, take the lumps and reap the long term rewards than trying to “tread water” like they did in 2013.

    I believe I have been proven correct. They can’t win @ $ 189 M without a slew of young players exceeding expectations. but they CAN be alot better and still be under last year’s payroll, which is a step in the right direction.

    If they add Tanaka I can live with the roster as is, pending A-Rod’s status.

    To guess at the suspension is fine, but there’s not enough knowledge about the evidence for it to be a particularly educated guess. I’ll go with 162, which is simply wishful thinking.

  18. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    well, i was wrong, this idiot on nj.com has apparetly drunk heavily from the levine kool-aid:

    ” The less in yearly salary the team pays Rodriguez, the more it could possibly give Tanaka while still staying around the $189-million luxury tax cap.

    idk who brendan kuty is, but his picture makes him look like he’s in high school.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._word.html

  19. Cashmoney December 30th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    I go with 3000000 games.

  20. Abe Peterham December 30th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Arod poll….

    0.0. Like bluto

  21. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I’m going 50 with A-Rod

  22. easyenough December 30th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    arod poll: 150

  23. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    How could the Yankees possibly care so much about $189m when its fate rests in the hands of an arbiter? This thing is over.

  24. Mike Ri December 30th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Arod – 100 games

  25. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Ys Guy says:
    December 30, 2013 at 9:42 am
    levine is the only one who suggested they could sign tanaka and stay under. and also the only one who suggested they can stay under even if arod is no suspended.

    Nah it’s been widely reported that way….Bowden said on the radio just yesterday that they could sign tanaka and stay under if Arod was suspended

  26. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Ys-

    I’ve down graded to the same as his buddy, Braun-60 games

  27. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    The truth is, as we have discussed here at length, is that the yanks are within 10 million of 189 without counting Arod at all……so unless he’s suspended the entire season they are already over even if they do nothing else

  28. mick December 30th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    lake December 30th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    mick says:
    December 30, 2013 at 8:12 am
    no need to trade a catcher

    Well Romine and Cervelli are redundant.
    ===================
    What’s redundant is your harping on Drew ;)
    Still don’t have to trade a catcher, just send one down.

  29. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:12 am
    The truth is, as we have discussed here at length, is that the yanks are within 10 million of 189 without counting Arod at all……so unless he’s suspended the entire season they are already over even if they do nothing else
    ———

    And we do need to do other things, another starter and bullpen help.

    And I still don’t see how A-Rod could be suspended for an entire season.

  30. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    What’s redundant is your harping on Drew ;)
    Still don’t have to trade a catcher, just send one down.
    ——–

    1) Why wouldn’t you maximize your roster? Trade a catcher for something we need.

    2) Why hinder any of Romine, Murphy, or Sanchez’s growth by having to double up with another catcher?

  31. mick December 30th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    If you can get something worthwhile for a catcher, fine trade him.
    Package him with Nunez for all I care… ;)

  32. mick December 30th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Why wouldn’t Hal realize that going deep into the playoffs is worth more than hitting target 189?
    Does anyone think he’s stupid?

  33. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    When Thornton becomes official, they are likely just past the 189, and that’s without ARod the entire season.

    Older calculations but fairly accurate:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....get-12613/

    Of course the final tally comes after the season is finished.

  34. 86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Seeing how none of us know what the evidence against A-rod its just plain guesswork to try and predict the suspension.

    I hope it is 162 games, but I have no earthly idea what it SHOULD be. Too many unanswered questions:

    Do they have itemized receipts that match charges to Alex’s account, credit card?

    Are there checks from him for purchases of banned items?

    Is there proof Bosch was indeed at his house on multiple occasions?

    Is there evidence Alex steered several players to Bosch? If so, would each incident qualify as a “violation”??

    and on and on

  35. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 10:24 am
    Seeing how none of us know what the evidence against A-rod its just plain guesswork to try and predict the suspension.
    ———–

    Why would the amount of evidence determine the punishment? The punishment is the punishment. I thought under the CBA the first offense was 50 games.

  36. yankinvegas December 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    189 was never feasible at this point in time unless they wanted a definite last place team and that would have ruined the whole business model.
    Sign Tanaka, win the WS and pay the luxury tax bill in coins- all over Selig’s desk!!
    The man hates the Yankees, and the new Japan posting rules combined with no contract amnesty like the NBA and NHL have, proves it for the umpteenth time.
    The one thing that NYY ownership consistently misses is that there are at least as many people who hate the Red Sox as hate us. So win and make those people happy – let’s prove that championships CAN be bought and not developed.
    That should be our mantra. No Yankee fan gives a damn how the team is put together, only that it wins. The only people who keep bringing up our farm system are haters like Lupica, Madden and the rest of the NYDN baseball staff.
    Screw them – their complaints seem so hollow when our team is riding through the Canyon of Heroes.

  37. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I’m sticking to 60 games and adding that ARod will collect his entire remaining contract, after the 60 game sum is removed. He’ll likely have recurrent issues with his hip/ hips, requiring multiple stays on the DL,,finally leading to the need for hip resurfacing or a total hip replacement, ala, Bo Jackson.

    Just a non medical opinion.

  38. mick December 30th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    The only people who keep bringing up our farm system are haters like Lupica, Madden and the rest of the NYDN baseball staff.
    ======================
    Don’t forget the LoHuggers. :)

  39. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Asked this earlier.

    Good morning.

    Not to change the subject, but………. What if Tanaka doesn’t sign with the Yankees, and signs with our hated rivals!

    I can’t fathom that Cashman would go #4 and #5 with Pineda/Warren/Phelps/Nuno, can you?

    Now I know that many feel Ubaldo Jimenez is losing velocity, and would be a bad free agent signing, however, From the Bill Chuck files — “From Aug. 1 on last season, the ERA leaders were: Zack Grienke (1.49), Andrew Cashner (1.70), Clayton Kershaw (1.73), and Ubaldo Jimenez (1.92).”

    He must be doing something right. No?

    Thoughts on what the Yankees should do if Tanaka stays in AlEast, but not with the Yankees, or i goes to another AL Team.

  40. mick December 30th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Sign Tanaka, win the WS and pay the luxury tax bill in coins- all over Selig’s desk!!
    =========================================
    Just like Kramer did when he bought the calzones for Steinbrenner.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMimygVTgbU

  41. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    YT-

    Tanaka or not the Yankees need another solid SP.

    The alternatives are well known.

    It would simply be a matter of choosing which one is right for us.

  42. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Trader,

    I go with Ubaldo too. He had a couple of mediocre-to-bad seasons, but he figured it out last year.

  43. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I wouldn’t touch ubaldo…..if they opted to sign another starter after losing out on Tanaka then to me Garza or Santana or maybe a cheaper option like Malholm would be all Id be interested in…..Ubaldos delivery is just too bad and unpredictable

  44. 86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I believe that “first offense” only relates to a positive test.

    In the non-testing enforcement of the policy actions such as purchasing banned substances are considered an “offense”. So exactly how many “offenses” do they claim A-rod committed?

    That was the basis for justifying the 211 in the first place. Remember Ryan Braun was suspended for more than 50 with no positive test (officially).

    Again, I don’t know what evidence they have and without that knowledge I have no earthly idea what a reasonable penalty would be.

  45. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MTU

    Which pitcher left on the free agent market would be most likely to succeed in NY?

    I’m going with a FA and not a trade,because the three Yankee trading chips with major league experience are not getting traded-Gardner, DRob, and Nova.

  46. bigdan22 December 30th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Two fights that might not prove worthwhile: MLB vs. A-Rod, #Yankees vs. $189M. Column:
    http://t.co/Zwsi1XxW1R

    One of the best articles I’ve read on the actual Yankee patrol situation

    __________

    Yet it’s amazing how many writers/analysts still miss the big picture. Even with a moderate Arod suspension, if the Yanks miss on Tanaka (which I think they will), they still will be cutting payroll by nearly $40MM which may have been the actual goal all along. I think only Sherman has alluded to this possible strategy.

  47. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    U-Jim’s mechanics are very complicated and easy to get out of whack.

    Hard to repeat consistently well.

  48. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    YT-

    IMO Garza.

  49. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    A-Rod Poll: 75 games

    There is no logical way in my opinion for an impartial arbitrator to justify a much longer suspension given these three facts.

    1. There is no precedent for it.
    2. There was no failed drug test.
    3. MLB’s investigation was inappropriate as regards their paying witnesses, etc.

    (I say this as a Yankee fan who wishes I would never see him in pinstripes again)

  50. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    As I’ve said before…..Ubaldo could show up in march out of whack mechanically and be terrible all season. Guys like him can find a groove mechanically for awhile and be effective….but they generally can’t sustain it because their deliveries have so many moving parts. I just wouldn’t want any part of him…..there is just too much risk of him reagressingm to awful…..Garza and even Santana are safer options.

    Samarja has been pretty good the last 4 years…..he’s decreased his FB rate and increased his GB rate and 3 of his last 4 seasons have been good

  51. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I’m only asking this because I have no clue who would succeed in NY if Tanaka goes to another AL team. Santana gives up plenty of homers. garza was injured. Jimenez concerns with mechanics and velocity. The best option would be Colon, but he’s gone. No more sweaty Freddy.

  52. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    There is no logical way in my opinion for an impartial arbitrator to justify a much longer suspension given these three facts.”

    The thing is that we don’t actually know what the facts are because the evidence hasn’t been made public

  53. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    That was the basis for justifying the 211 in the first place. Remember Ryan Braun was suspended for more than 50 with no positive test (officially).

    Again, I don’t know what evidence they have and without that knowledge I have no earthly idea what a reasonable penalty would be.
    ——-

    Braun may have took a bad deal to save face.

    I see this case as a test of the commissioner’s powers. I really do think the huge suspension is out of line, my feelings on A-Rod aside.

  54. MTU December 30th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    YT-

    Arroyo can eat innings if that is what you want.

  55. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    - Things To Remember Regarding A-Rod’s Suspension -

    (1) The “swing vote” Arbitrator that previously crossed MLB is currently unemployed.

    (2) Braun got 65 games, and he “signed off” on that sentence.

    (3) The “obstruction charge” = kicker. “It’s not the crime it’s the cover-up” will be heard.

    (4) My prediction of 150 games stands.

  56. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    And Plan C or D doesn’t work for me either:

    Earlier

    Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 8:59 am
    So if they stay in house, you have Phelps, shelved with a right forearm injury, Nuno shelved with a groin injury, Pineda hoping to beat the 67% odds that a pitcher after anterior labral surgery can’t make it back! or Warren, vying for two spots, none of whom has pitched enough innings as a starter to last in that role an entire season!

    Just an opinion, but in that case, the Yankees might very well be out of it early in September, with further declining attendance.

  57. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Lets play hypothetical.

    Lets say Arod is in fact suspended all season and it’s on a cost 150 million to sign Tanaka.

    How should they proceed?

    1. Should they go ahead and sign Tanaka anyway and blow past 189?
    2. Should they pass on Tanaka and consider cheaper options like garza or Santana and still pass 189?
    3. Or should they hold…..get under the cap and set themselves up to just blow it out next year when Kershaw, Scherzer, Lester, Headley, Hanley etc could be out on the market?

    There is a case to be made for #3. They’d get the cap behind them and reset the tax an then position themselves to spend like crazy next winter……they’d essentially be punting 2014 with regards to winning a title IMO….but you could argue long term it might be a better route if Hal is going to continue to worry about the payroll.

    Now that said…..that plan could bust big time if Sherzer and Kershaw sign extensions…..

  58. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Aargh, here I thought Braun got 60 games. Ys, I need to change my choice to 65 games, same as Braun!

  59. blake December 30th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Without seeing the evidence it’s really hard for anyone to predict what’s gonna happen……but the way Arods team acted in court suggests to me that it didn’t go we for them in there and that there must have been some pretty serious evidence against him.

    MLB had conducted somewhat of a witch hunt here yes…..but it’s possible they actually found a witch…..I mean I can’t imagine they’d throw a 211 games suspension out there without a ton of evidence…..I mean why woukd they do that?

  60. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Hal knows the “International Value” of having Tanaka on the Yankee roster. He would forsake the $189 to sign Tanaka. It’s strictly a business\$$$ decision Otherwise, $189 remains in the cross-hairs.

  61. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    I mean, I would be shocked if A-Rod was found not guilty here, but I don’t see the interpretation of a 211 game suspension. I don’t know how that sticks under the CBA.

  62. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    I’m not sure why Arods team would basically denounce the process and call for their case to be seen by a higher court if they thought they were going to get a favorable ruling……I think Horwitz will reduce the suspension but that it’ll still be at least 100 games……

  63. pkyankfan69 December 30th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I’m going with 69 games for Arod

  64. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Arods defense basically threw up the white flag in the hearing and called it a joke of a court and that they wanted it seen in a real court……doesn’t seem like the best way to win points with the the man making the ruling to me

  65. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Remember, The Times printed a while ago that A-Rod DID Flunk a drug test a while back. At that time, the 1st offense penalty was merely an increase in the number of drug tests administered, so he flew under the Joe 6 Pack radar. I believe the year was “06″ and A-Rod in an interview DID complain about the “Extra testing or all the testing” that season. At the time, his comment did Not attract any attention, but The Times revelation of a flunked drug test Now makes it clear what he was referencing.

  66. Yankee Trader December 30th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Any signing at this point with or without ARod carries them over the threshold.

    The Yankees pitching as currently constructed has question marks from their Ace to their closer.

    If they want to compete this coming season,and make up for lost revenue/attendance they need to address the starting staff as well as the pen.

  67. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Regarding A-Rod and the evidence. There have been more than a few excellent investigative reports by serious journalists and I believe many of the facts here are already known. I would be very surprised if there were a smoking gun that hasn’t been divulged by now. I could be wrong.

  68. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Arod failed a test in 2003 that was essentially a survey test to actually see how many players were using and how to implement testing……a ton of other players failed it also and there names were kept confidential as that was the agreement they had before testing was done. Arod and Ortiz’s names leaked out……Arod was roasted and Papi was given a complete pass

  69. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I see the Yanks sitting Tight till the Tanaka situation becomes clear. This effects Balfour and Drew. Any decent sized expenditure is on Hold till then. I believe the Yanks have a Very good idea as to the A-Rod sentence.

  70. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    The Yankees have no idea what his suspension will be; it hasn’t been announced yet. For all we know the final decision hasn’t been made yet.

  71. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    The Times story said a failed drug test. Not a Survey Test or any of that rot. The “03″ thing was well chronicled Long ago. If we are to believe The Times story, this would be 2 Failed Drug Tests for A-Rod factoring into the sentence.

  72. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    They were testing in 2006 so if he failed a test then why wasn’t he suspended? Doesn’t add up

  73. RadioKev December 30th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    How could the 2003 test be an offense when it was not an offense?

  74. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    There was a report that the yanks have already made an offer to tanaka that would take them beyond 189

  75. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    RadioKev says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:16 am
    How could the 2003 test be an offense when it was not an offense?

    It’s not….we shouldn’t even know about that

  76. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    - Blake -
    I explained the penalty. Guess you missed it.

  77. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “Re-building” the team with a $150M payroll would have meant a team with 70 wins. They have no prospects ready for the majors. Sure, they have players, but playing sub-optimal players doesn’t re-build anything. The only net result would be an empty stadium, huge financial losses and not one step closer to re-building.

    If they want to re-build, sign some international free agents such as the Cuban SS. Simply playing bad players on a bad team doesn’t do it. If you have any doubt, look at the Yankees of the late 60s re-building.

    In short, not spending money helps nothing.

  78. 86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    If I’m th eYanks I’m all in on Tanaka regardless of Alex’ status. There are so few chances to add a talent like that at age 25 you have to go for it.

    Once that is done $ 189 M is in the rear view mirror and they can use whatever A-rod savings there are to address either 2B or 3B and the bullpen.

    Of the other FA pitchers… I definitely put garza at the top of the list based on consistency and AL East pedigree. His ERA has been below 4.00 for seven straight years and he just turned 30 years old.

    I am a bit concerned about just 42 starts the last two seasons after 125 starts the previous four years.

  79. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I think the Yanks should sign Tanaka, Drew, and Balfour and then if Kershaw hits the market next year you just forget the budget and go after him too.

    But the thing about this 189 stuff is that they have spent like 3 years positioning for it and thisnisnrrally their only chance to get under it…..it’s really now or never….Arods money will be back in full most likely in 2015 and they just have too much money on the books to realistically do it any other year……so I Arod is suspended 150 or more games I could see them going ahead and doing it

  80. 86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    IF he tested positive in ’06 that would only lead to more frequent testing.

    A modification of the drug program after that date made positive test # 1 a suspension.

    austimac —-

    I agree they would likely have been sub .500 if they went into a total and complete re-build in 2013. I’m just of the opinion that would have been the best approach long term IF getting under the luxury tax rate was the # 1 priority. Short term pain, long term gain.

  81. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:20 am
    - Blake -
    I explained the penalty. Guess you missed it.

    You said it resulted in testing ….which isn’t a penalty to Arod. He is basically a first time offender by the drug policy

  82. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    If the Yanks were Not attempting to hit $189, they would have signed Choo instead of Beltran. The Cano situation? I do Not know what was brewing there. Based on how that went down, it looked like the Yanks were hoping he would walk away, and allow them to save face with the fan base. Cano helped them out there.

  83. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    The article said at the time A-Rod flunked the test, a 1st offense = Additional drug testing. I said I Thought the flunked test was “06″. Not sure.

  84. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    YT,

    If they don’t add a starter they will be out of the playoff picture before September. As you correctly pointed out, not only are the fill ins questionable in performance, none of them can pitch anywhere near the required innings. What do we do, have each guy pitch two months?

    If we don’t get Tanaka, Garza is the surest of the big three. I still think it will be Arroyo on the cheaper end of the spectrum Then, maybe an injury rehab guy to add to our long list of such pitchers.

    I also agree it is hard to predict the penalty when we don’t know the evidence. AROD’s temper tantrum and not testifying does not help. While he isn’t compelled to testify if it means a possible criminal penalty, the arbitrator can draw whatever conclusions he wishes from it.

  85. Howe Farr December 30th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Re: Failed Drug Test of 06…the facts:

    according to “two people involved with baseball’s collectively bargained drug-testing program,” Rodriguez tested positive for a banned stimulant in 2006.

    Stimulants are considered separate from performance enhancing drugs under the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program, with a separate schedule of discipline which requires no suspension or public announcement following a first positive test such as Rodriguez’s in 2006.

  86. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Mick,

    I don’t know if Hal is smart or stupid. It does not take brains to inherit. Nor does it take brains to screw up the last two years.

  87. 86w183 December 30th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    That’s it for me….. happy hunting sports fans
    have a day

  88. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    - FARR -
    Thanks for the info.

  89. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Blake,

    The report I have seen says the Yankees talked to Close but did not make an offer. Have you seen otherwise?

    If they don’t get Tanaka and go in-house which Cashman said they might do, they will not be good and will continue to decline in attendance and ratings. That would, in my mind, definitively prove Hal ain’t smart.

  90. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Looking at all the problems that Chad has chronicled above, it’s obvious this organization is Currently in shambles. If it was Not for free agents, the Yankees would be an absolute laughing stock.

  91. jmills December 30th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Please say a prayer for, Michael Schumacher, his life is hour to hour. I hope his overall state of physical fitness pulls him through.

  92. austinmac December 30th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Donny,

    You speak the truth. The organization has been badly mishandled. That is why free agents are the only option. It is truly pathetic when you have nothing that can help on the field or in a trade.

  93. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    The $300 million spent to date on Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann goes a long way towards making the Yankees an elite offensive team again. I think the question is, can the Yankees put together a pitching staff that will enable them to compete; at least for a Wild Card. Boston, Detroit, Oakland, Tampa Bay, Texas, Cleveland and even Kansas City are formidable obstacles to say the least.

    $189 is in the rear view mirror. I personally believe that Hal Steinbrenner et all have made the business decision that the savings gained by being under $189 is not worth the loss of revenue and brand prestige that occurs when the Yankees don’t make the playoffs. And keeping in mind that the major additions are all longer term commitments, it’s a long-term perspective, not just a win-this-year one.

  94. blake December 30th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    The report I have seen says the Yankees talked to Close but did not make an offer. Have you seen otherwise?”

    I read somewhere they offered by 6/90 or something but I have no idea if that’s accurate

  95. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West December 30th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Blake,

    6/90… I hope that’s something you’ve made up in your head, because that says in plain Japanese “we don’t want you”

  96. AAA December 30th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    The report I have seen says the Yankees talked to Close but did not make an offer. Have you seen otherwise?”

    I read somewhere they offered by 6/90 or something but I have no idea if that’s accurate

    ================================

    I read contact was made but no offer was. If 6/$90M is their thinking, Tanaka likely lands elsewhere. $15M per season simply won’t get it done.

  97. Blojaldo December 30th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    This is not Cashman or Close’s first rodeo. They both are consummate professionals and are clear on what Tanaka’s minimum value is. Cashman is not going to insult Close or Tanaka at the outset by making a low-ball offer.

  98. blake December 30th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West says:
    December 30, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Blake,

    6/90… I hope that’s something you’ve made up in your head, because that says in plain Japanese “we don’t want you”

    As an opening bid? That’s 15 per for 6 years….. Plus 20 posting…..I don’t see 110 million as disrespect for an opening bid

  99. blake December 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    I read contact was made but no offer was. If 6/$90M is their thinking, Tanaka likely lands elsewhere. $15M per season simply won’t get it done.”

    It may have just been an opening bid….doesn’t mean they wouldn’t go higher

  100. Ys Guy December 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    hey guys and gals! I’m shopping at Costco right now but I wanted to remind people who weren’t here earlier that we’re doing an AROD Poll.

    .get in your guess on the # of games the arbitrator gives AROD and put AROD POLL in the comment and I’ll add you to the list.

    Winning is it’s own reward therefore there is no prize whatsoever for this.


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