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Year in review: A bad way to start (and a sign of things to come)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Curtis Granderson

On this final day of 2013, let’s take a month-by-month look back at the past year. I’ve divided the season into four quarters — essentially splitting things into the preseason, the first half of the season, the second half of the season, and the offseason. We’ll try to pick out the key event of each month along the way, starting with the first three months of the year.

JANUARY
The Miami New Times breaks the Biogenesis story
It had been a relatively quiet offseason for the Yankees — and Alex Rodriguez had just undergone hip surgery — when the Miami New Times published its January 29 bombshell report linking Rodriguez and others to a Miami clinic called Biogenesis, where a variety of athletes were allegedly acquiring performance enhancing drugs from a man named Anthony Bosch. It was, essentially, the story of the year in baseball, with the league issuing a statement promising: “Vigilance remains the key toward protecting the integrity of our game.” The league has been aggressive, and its fight against Rodriguez continues. Team A-Rod’s immediate statement of denial: “The news report about a purported relationship between Alex Rodriguez and Anthony Bosch are not true. Alex Rodriguez was not Mr. Bosch’s patient, he was never treated by him and he was never advised by him. The purported documents referenced in the story — at least as they relate to Alex Rodriguez — are not legitimate.”
Worth mentioning: The Yankees agreed to terms with Travis Hafner, Juan Rivera signed minor league deal; Dave Robertson was the Yankees last arbitration-eligible player to sign; Rodriguez’s hip surgery; no one elected to the Hall of Fame

FEBRUARY

Curtis Granderson’s broken forearm
This was a year of injuries — an ongoing problem that helped wreck the Yankees season and largely defined their year — and it truly started with Granderson. Derek Jeter had been hurt in 2012, and Rodriguez had been diagnosed in 2012, but the first big injury of 2013 was Curtis Granderson being hit by a pitch on February 24. It was J.A. Happ who delivered the pitch, and Granderson was almost immediately diagnosed with a fractured forearm expected to cost him 10 weeks. It wasn’t a good sign. Not a good sign for Granderson, and not a good sign for the Yankees.
Worth mentioning: Brett Gardner given a chance in center; Abe Almonte traded for Shawn Kelley; Andy Pettitte turned down an invitation to the World Baseball Classic; Francisco Cervelli denied getting steroids from Biogenesis

MARCH
Derek Jeter ruled out for Opening Day
Could make a good case for two key moments in March: The Mark Teixeira injury, and the Derek Jeter setback. While the Teixeira injury was stunning, it was the Jeter issue that largely defined the month as the Yankees prepared for their captain to get healthy and ready for Opening Day. Of course, that never happened. The final moment was March 24, when Brian Cashman made it official that Jeter would open the season on the disabled list after the first of many, many setbacks in his attempt to come back from ankle surgery. He played in five spring training games, but he was scratched from the lineup in late March and never got back on the field. As we learned, it was more than a momentary setback.
Worth mentioning: Mark Teixeira’s strained tendon sheath; Mariano Rivera’s retirement press conference; Lyle Overbay signed to a three-day tryout; Vernon Wells acquired from the Angels; Brennan Boesch released by the Tigers and signed by the Yankees

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251 Responses to “Year in review: A bad way to start (and a sign of things to come)”

  1. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Something happened in the 2nd half of 2013

    ————

    What happened is what Ruth stated. ” Pitching for ‘a new contract’ numbers for half a year. Gets a new $$$ deal Then reverts back to mediocrity”

    ____________

    Pitching for a new contract requires some type of skill.

    —————

    It does but should the Yankees gamble on that skill.

    _________

    I need to know what the skill is first.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am

    repost:

    First of all, you were inaccurate in your statement of his stats over the last three years.

    His improvement? I’ll go with the last two years since the year before was a split year between NL and AL an it’s pretty hard to assess exactly who he was, getting dumped into the AL.

    9-17 – 5.40; 1.613
    13-9 – 3.30; 1.330

    And though we’ve already been fed a fable about “going hard in the second half of a contract year”, it appears that the real story has to do with working with his pitching coach.

    To get some insight into reality, it might help to read this:

    http://www.cleveland.com/tribe.....y_cal.html

  3. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Here’s another pitcher who has regained velocity and might be worth an incentive laden contract.
    I’d still be worried about the violent arm action.

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....s-back-up/

  4. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Good morning.

    U-Jim has very quirky mechanics.

    As Blake has said, lot’s of moving parts.

    It’s easy for him to get out of whack.

  5. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Trisha,

    Blake was not inaccurate with his ERA stats. Yes, he was great in the second half of last year. The question is whether that one half is worth a $75M risk when compared to the other risks.

    One can argue for any of the three, but good arguments can be made against them as well. If it was easy, all teams would be good.

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    “Trisha,

    I’m conceding the loss of velocity and accompanying concern.”

    Bret – you may be, but apparently Ubaldo is not.

    I put much more stock in player-coach assessment than I do the fears of fans behind keyboards. I’m quirky that way.

    ;)

  7. bbb51 December 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 8:54 am
    So the pharmacist is very OCD but I”m going to her house tonight for a New Year’s bonfire. I removed her Christmas tree yesterday, fixed her shop VAC, removed all her blinds and helped a friend of hers install new blinds.

    Her main concern is “guys just wanting to get in her pants”. I think she has me in a certain category and I’ve been there for a while.

    No escape.

    You’re not supposed to have a honey do list until after you’ve gotten the honey…

  8. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    U-Jim has very quirky mechanics.
    ==========
    So does Pineda.
    That right shoulder is in jeopardy.

  9. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Some blurbs from Trisha’s link on Jimenez, perhaps helpful perhaps not.

    Callaway had a different message: Don’t sweat the velocity; with your movement and deception, 91-94 is plenty fast enough.

    “I thought if we could just get Ubaldo in the strike zone and attacking hitters with the stuff he already had, that he would be good to go,” said Callaway. “Watching his video during the off-season, I was saying, ‘Man, his stuff is so good, all he has to do is get it over the plate.’ ”

    “As far as (velocity) he’s ranked (in the top five) over the last couple of years in the American League, but I don’t think he looked at it quite that way,” said Callaway. “He just looked at it like, ‘I can’t do what I used to do, so now I can’t have the intent of throwing the fastball for a strike.’ ”

    Early in the season, at Callaway’s suggestion, Jimenez threw two bullpen sessions between starts to help stabilize his delivery. He’s no longer doing that, but in his last six or seven starts, Jimenez has been throwing nothing but fastballs in his bullpen sessions, and his velocity is increasing.(bolding mine)

    It has made Jimenez, in Francona’s words, “a tough pitcher to draw a bead on.”

    Over the last couple of years, with Jimenez doubting his fastball, he wasn’t throwing it for strikes because it was getting hit. It made him rely more and more on his breaking pitches, which in turn made it easier for hitters because they could ignore the fastball.

    Now he’s throwing his fastball and off-speed pitches for strikes.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    “Blake was not inaccurate with his ERA stats.”

    Yes he was.

  11. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    They would be better off getting Tanaka and staying away from the also rans.
    Something about developing their own like Phelps or Pineda…

  12. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Not the easiest honeypot to crack.

  13. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Mick-

    It definitely is.

    That is one reason why is why people should be very guarded w respect to Pineda.

  14. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    The more I have watched Tiger Tanaka the more comfortable I am becoming w the risk he represents.

  15. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:11 am

    blake says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:04 am
    His improvement? I’ll go with the last two years since the year before was a split year between NL and AL an it’s pretty hard to assess exactly who he was, getting dumped into the AL.”

    So now your moving the goal post to two years ? You said look at the last 3 years so I did……and the last two years he’s been awful one and good one…..even though it’s really only a half a season he’s been good

    blake says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:06 am
    And btw I have read that article and know all about the changes the Indians made……the problem is that if he comes to the Yankees it’s a whole new environment and a new pitching coach. And besides that…..there is no guarantee the fixes will hold in Cleveland either…..Ubaldos delivery is extremely high maintenance

  16. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Trisha,
    What was inaccurate in what I posted? His overall era in 2011 was 4.68 instead of the AL era of 5.10 that I posted but it’s still bad and doesn’t change that your statement of “look at the last 3 years” supports my argument a lot more than yours

  17. 86w183 December 31st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Commanding your fastball location is the single most important thing for any non knuckle ball throwing pitcher. Jimenez did it very well late last year, but Garza’s done it well basically his entire career.

    Perhaps it comes down to Ubaldo’s higher ceiling versus Garza’s superior consistency??

  18. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    getting a “guaranteed” 5th starter is insurance against 1-4 going down, never have enough, but i don’t think they do it with whats out there.

    santana on an invite is fine but would also like to see what phelps or pineda have up their sleeves.

  19. bbb51 December 31st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I just don’t have much regard for players who suddenly care to figure things out in their contract year. No to Ubaldo.

    Santana, HR’s, so/bb numbers don’t impress me. Pass.

    Garza is ok if the contract isn’t big, but it probably will be.

  20. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    i also see the possibility of santana coming out of the pen…

  21. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Calloway may have fixed him for a half a season but the problem is that Calloway isn’t coming with him and at some point the ship will likely spring a leak again…..the bubble gum holding Ubaldos motion together won’t last forever so it’ll be a constant thing to keep him in tune IMO.

    My guess is that he will have good and very bad periods in the future like most guys go can’t repeat their deliveries well

  22. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Tanaka
    Pineda/Phelps/Nuno/Warren.

    Should be fine.

    #5 starter only needs to give 150 innings.

  23. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Ubaldo post-all star game averaged 92.1 on his fastball.

  24. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    A cheaper option might be Tommy Hanson. See the above link @9:05.

    Tommy Hanson was indirectly responsible for the Yankees second half turnaround in 2009, with a culmination as WS champs.

    The then rookie shut down the Yankees in early June of 2009, striking out Posada four times in Atlanta. Brian Cashman visited the players and supposedly “chewed” them out.
    The Yankees never looked back!

  25. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Sign Tanaka
    Sign Johan to a minor league deal
    Sign Balfour

    Pitching done….lets go

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    “As for the elusive 98 mph, Jimenez, 29, says it may not be lost forever.

    ‘Right now I don’t have the same velocity that I had in 2010,” he said, “but I know once I rest and start over again, I’ll probably have it again because my mechanics are pretty much the same and my arm feels really good.’”

    But what does he know? He’s only the pitcher in question.

    ************

    blake – you didn’t look at the last three years. You looked at the last 2 and 1/2 years. I told you your stats were inaccurate – and they were. You might want to fix that up.

    In addition, I’d be breaking down the first and second halves of all three years so that people wouldn’t accuse me of trying to compare apples and oranges – which is what you do when you show various seasons but only target one in terms of splitting it into halves.

    All of that said, I go with the entire picture – and that includes assessments by the pros.

    And I also go with my eyes.

    Ubaldo in Colorado was a phenom to watch. Ubaldo last season in Cleveland showed a lot of the same kind of stuff. I did watch some of his games because I was always super interested in him and it appeared he was mounting a comeback.

    My bottom line is that he’s showing enough of his former effectiveness that I’d take a chance on him 24-7.

    There are no guarantees – but then I don’t look for any.

  27. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    86,

    I think you are correct. Upside vs. consistency. I think consistency may be more needed.

  28. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Hanson’s shoulder is busted to pieces

  29. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Tanaka
    =========
    In reality this rotation could be inverted by years end.

  30. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Why is Ubaldo’s fastball an issue in comparison to Garza? He strikes out more guys. What am I missing?

    Our old buddy AJ Burnett struck out 9.85/9 last season with a “slower” fastball than Garza’s.

  31. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Dan Hudson on a MiLB would be worth taking a flyer on.

    He is trying to come back from a 2nd TJS.

    He was very good and is still young.

    I’d like to have Sizemore in the Minors too if he would take that kind of deal.

  32. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Trisha,

    You are missing the point. Ubaldo has been extremely bad for two of the last three years. Does that mean nothing? Last year-his entire year- was still not as good as Santana’s. Santana is a big risk too.

  33. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:22 am

    blake – you didn’t look at the last three years. You looked at the last 2 and 1/2 years. I told you your stats were inaccurate – and they were. You might want to fix that up.

    I posted all 3 years….just broke 2013 into splits.

    You’re really reaching here and it’s sounding like you just told me to look at the last 3 years without having any idea what he did in 2011 and 2012

  34. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Mick-

    Possible.

    But I hope not because that means CC is toast which is a real problem going forward.

  35. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Kevin,

    See my last post to Trisha. That’s what you are missing. 2011 and 2012 were below average. Did he find the magic bean? He could be good or he could revert to 2011-2012. Surely, you see that real possibility.

  36. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    But I hope not because that means CC is toast which is a real problem going forward.
    ==============================
    This will be CC’s year to “prove” himself MTU.
    Next year we can set our sites on other possibilities.

  37. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Why is Ubaldo’s fastball an issue in comparison to Garza? He strikes out more guys. What am I missing?”

    Simple…2 reasons. 1)Because Garza has always been successful at 92 where’s Ubaldo had his success mostly when he was throwing 96….2) because Garza walks a lot less guys

  38. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I think it is all moot. My best guess is going cheap if they don’t get Tanaka. Arroyo at the high end and Hansen at the low end. Nothing I have read all winter suggests they. are willing to give big bucks to any of those guys.

  39. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am

    MTU:

    —————-

    Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Interesting ……

    So in a hypothetical situation ………..

    Yanks sign Tanaka, Balfour and Baker

    Then dip into the FA class for a retread like Ubaldo, Garza or Santana ?

    Now it’s completely ‘money is no object’ ?, with Phelps, Pineda, Banuelos, Nuno and every other decent in house alternative getting shoved back down to AAA again ?

    Can’t say that this would be a realistic plan

    ===========

    MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am
    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Tanaka
    Pineda/Phelps/Nuno/Warren.

    Should be fine.

    #5 starter only needs to give 150 innings.

    ————–

    EXACTLY !

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “You’re really reaching here and it’s sounding like you just told me to look at the last 3 years without having any idea what he did in 2011 and 2012″

    Absolutely incorrect. One thing you boys should have learned about me by now is that I do my homework – all of it.

    I think you’re a whimp to try to sell one half of 2013 but not to take the time to break the other two years into halves. It’s lazy.

    Everything has improved. I showed you his WL, his ERA, and his peripherals. I read the article talking about his mechanics and his pitching coach. I’ve watched him pitch.

    That’s a little more than bellyaching about 1/2 of 1 season.

    I think he’s worth the risk. But with good reason.

  41. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Mick-

    I’m hoping for a bounce back w CC.

    We really need the big Man to be solid.

    He does not need to be an Ace but having him fade to the back of the Rotation would not be good.

    He is going to be around for a while. And right now he’s our only Lefty.

  42. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I’m weary of anyone who stinks for a few years and then suddenly “finds it” in his contract year… Seems to be that Ubaldo made a second half pushed to get paid this offseason. Giving him 5 years or more is nuts.

  43. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Blake

    I can’t find the link on Tommy Hanson’s shoulder is busted to pieces, nor that he had surgery on the pieces this offseason! :)

  44. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Against All Odds

    Or he stopped smokin all that good ‘hemp’ in Colorado when he got to Cleveland and straightened out foe half a season

    ———–

    Lol

  45. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Want to wish all a Happy New Year if I don’t see you around the rest of the day.

    Stay safe and healthy and let’s hope for a great season.

  46. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I actually hated the idea of trading for Jimenez, since he was trending downwards and the cost was so high. Now that it’s just money, I don’t mind him, given the options. I’d still rather have Tanaka, but I think he is viable.

    He made an adjustment, and it worked. It’s not just random luck, it was a well documented adjustment.

    His velocity may have trended down because of bad mechanics. CC’s mechanics were out of whack last year, we couldn’t have foresaw that either. We could sign Garza and 2 MPH could drop off of his fastball like Vazquez. There’s a risk to everyone.

    I’m fine saying that Garza is more consistent and that Jimenez is riskier. I would just take the risk because I think the team needs a higher end starter than a guy with an upper 3′s ERA for the next five years.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:30 am

    austin – feel free to totally ignore the genesis of “the magic bean”.

  48. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:30 am

    MTU

    I believe Dan Hudson was brought back with the DBacks. I’ll check.

  49. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:31 am

    There is a quite a bit of risk/uncertainty built into our Rotation which is why I insisted we get ourselves a solid mid-rotation SP w upside.

    In many ways a proven guy like a Bailey or Garza are preferable to an unproven, high-upside guy like
    Tanaka.

    Tanaka carries his own risks. Financial an otherwise.

  50. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I need to know what the skill is first.

    ———–

    The skill is if everything goes right you have a good pitcher on your hands but if it doesn’t you have a train wreck. There is no middle ground and that’s where the concern comes from.

  51. 86w183 December 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Blake and Trisha — if you can’t learn to play nice………….

    As for the # 5 starter, I think it’s a little bit more important than usual because CC is still a bit of a question and Kuroda almost certainly will need to be skipped from time to time to have him strong in September, which he has not been for the past two years — last season was worse than he was in 2012.

    Right now # 4 and # 5 are open… if not Tanaka, I want Garza…. he’s the safest bet of the veteran FA starters. then agaiin, I’d call the Reds about Bailey to find out the price tag.

  52. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Daniel Hudson signs minor league deal with Arizona
    Dec 13, 2013 8:52 PM
    AP – Sports

    PHOENIX (AP) — Injured pitcher Daniel Hudson has signed a minor league contract that returns him to the Arizona Diamondbacks.

    Hudson is recovering from his second ”Tommy John” reconstructive elbow surgery and has not pitched since the middle of the 2012 season.

  53. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Same for you and yours Mick.

  54. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    The Astros need to step up and sign Ubaldo

    Case closed

    Baseball obscurity

  55. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    YT-

    Thanks for the correction.

    Too bad.

    :(

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    mick – the real experts have already said we have the best offensive lineup in the AL East – and that was the day after Robby was traded! Since the major bellyaching here for the past three or four years has had to do with offense, I would think this would be a happy happy place. Yet you can be away from here for months on end and come back to realize the bellyaching never ends. It just moves to a new “location”, as it were.

    :)

    I’m banking on a great season because I trust the people who do the actual wood hauling. Fans will always find something to biotch about, no?

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    86w183 – we’re playing nice. This is strictly business. Nobody puts the Yankees in the corner!

    :D

  58. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    I think you’re a whimp to try to sell one half of 2013 but not to take the time to break the other two years into halves. It’s lazy.”

    I think you’re BSing because you have no idea what you’re talking about .

    But to humor you .

    2011: 4.14, 5.36
    2012: 4.50, 6.63

    I didn’t post the breakdowns because they are all bad and the point was that the 2nd half of 2013 is an outlier over the last 3 years.

  59. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:37 am

    If I’m CC I’ve been on the phone a lot w Pettitte this OS.

    ;)

  60. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    86

    Get me Bailey. It will cost at least Gardner plus others. Let’s say Tanaka signs elsewhere, the Reds are open to trading Bailey, only if Phillips and his salary are included.

    Can you work out a realistic deal, and knowing Gardner is in the deal, is Ichiro, Almonte or another trade for a fourth outfielder in the works?

  61. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:39 am

    If I’m CC I’ve been on the phone a lot w Pettitte this OS.
    =================
    Don’t rule out Andy as a mid season pickup.
    He has been known to change his mind.

  62. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Why trade Gardner?
    That would pretty much rule him out for next year and beyond for a pitcher you can get for free next year.

  63. AAA December 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I think you’re BSing because you have no idea what you’re talking about .

    ====================================

    I agree with you, but would like to issue you an internet dope slap for getting into this argument. You should know better.

  64. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    YT-

    I already figured that trade out a while back.

    You Trade GGBG + for Bailey.

    You then trade one of Cervelli, Romine, or Murphy for De Aza.

    The WS need a young BUC.

    De Aza is basically GGBG.

    WS would move him because of the Eaton acquisition.

    They have Viciedo as a #4 OF.

  65. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Done:

    McCann
    Ellsbury
    Johnson
    Beltran
    Roberts

    Next: ?

    Tanaka
    Balfour
    Baker

    Then: ?

    Ubaldo – Garza or Santana ? LOL !

    Payroll $ 250 million or more ?

    Not a chance in h*ll

    More like Phelps, Nuno, Pineda, Warren etc.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:42 am

    “I’m weary of anyone who stinks for a few years and then suddenly “finds it” in his contract year… Seems to be that Ubaldo made a second half pushed to get paid this offseason. Giving him 5 years or more is nuts.”

    1. Step away from your computer and read this article: http://www.cleveland.com/tribe.....y_cal.html

    2. Did anyone mention 5 or more years???

    **********

    FTR – I don’t really care who we get. I think Jiminez would be great. I’d be happy with Garza. I’d also be happy with neither and going with some of our guys from below.

    I have unbunchable panties. Some of you should try buying some. Great comfort in never getting your panties in a bunch.

    The 2011 Sux said hi!

    ;)

  67. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    But what does he know? He’s only the pitcher in question.

    ———

    Of course he thinks its going to return he’s an athlete and most if not all of them believe in themselves. But just because he feels its going doesn’t mean it will. Cam he gain a few miles sure but can he regain the velocity he used to live at….that’s unlikely.

  68. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Mick-

    I meant for advice from a lefty on how to pitch effectively w diminished velo.

    ;)

  69. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Considered Jimenez’s career stats are a 3.92 ERA and a 112 ERA+, maybe 2011 and 2012 are outliers?

  70. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “I agree with you, but would like to issue you an internet dope slap for getting into this argument. You should know better.”

    True…I’m dropping it.

  71. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    If the Yanks sign Tanaka (and my money is on we do) do you guys really see them throwing money at Ubaldo also? I just don’t see it… I mean maybe if he came on a short term deal it would be worth the risk on say a 3 year – $45M deal but based on the crazy prices this offseason it seems that would be way too low despite his high inconsistency.

  72. AAA December 31st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    the simple question is can the yankees afford to take a gamble where there is a 50 % chance that he will return to his bad self.

    =======================================

    Awfully tough to do on a long term deal. If it were 2 years plus an option or something like that, it’s one thing, but sounds like Jiminez is a 5 year proposition at this point.

  73. blake December 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    RadioKev says:
    December 31, 2013 at 9:43 am
    Considered Jimenez’s career stats are a 3.92 ERA and a 112 ERA+, maybe 2011 and 2012 are outliers?

    If he still threw 96 maybe….but the problem is that you can’t get away with the stuff he did at 96 at 91. His delivery and location didn’t matter as much when he was in the upper 90s

  74. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I didn’t post the breakdowns because they are all bad and the point was that the 2nd half of 2013 is an outlier over the last 3 years.

    ———–

    I don’t understand the infatuation with him. I get where Bret is coming from but from everyone else it’s weird.

  75. mick December 31st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Read the tea leaves.
    Hal is serious.
    He’s getting Tanaka.
    Not wasting time on the other headcases.

    Happy New Year!

    I’m out…

  76. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Lopez-

    Makes little sense to me to insert more risk into an already risky rotation.

    What you need is additional stability not less.

    ;)

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    “I think you’re BSing because you have no idea what you’re talking about .”

    I skate circles around the lot of you here who operate from fear and emotion and half-assed assessment.

    Never ever give yourself the false comfort of thinking that I don’t do every bit of my homework. Unlike you, who admits to not paying attention to Jiminez last year and is trying to make a total case from one page on the internet, I check out all aspects.

    I think you’ve morphed into total timidity. JMO of course.

  78. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am

    What happened in the past is factual. What will have in the future is opinion. If any of us rely knew how this or that player would do in the future, we probably would be paid for our opinions.

    Different opinions are great just so we all remember the future is always the great unknown.

  79. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    1. Step away from your computer and read this article: http://www.cleveland.com/tribe…..y_cal.html

    2. Did anyone mention 5 or more years???
    ——————
    Trisha…

    1. What do you expect him to say?

    2. If I took a step away from the computer how would I read the article?

  80. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 9:51 am

    If he still threw 96 maybe….but the problem is that you can’t get away with the stuff he did at 96 at 91. His delivery and location didn’t matter as much when he was in the upper 90s
    ——–

    I still don’t get the fastball argument. He struckout 194 guys last season. Matt Garza struck out 197 guys once, when he was 27. Ubaldo Jimenez had an elite 9.6 SO/9 last season, 8.6 SO/9 in the first half and 10.7 SO/9 in the second half.

    Garza had a 7.9 SO/9 last year.

    Garza could be in more danger when his fastball slips.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “I don’t understand the infatuation with him. I get where Bret is coming from but from everyone else it’s weird”

    Apparently you never watched the guy pitch – like blake. Otherwise you’d totally understand. And I don’t know that it’s infatuation as much as it is total respect for his pitching ability and the willingness to take a chance on him based on the improvements he’s made AND THE ASSESSMENT OF HIS PITCHING COACH.

  82. Yankee Trader December 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    OK

    MTU, I’ll do that. Our rotation is now

    Kuroda
    Sabathia
    Bailey
    Tanaka
    Nova

    And D Aza in left field.

    Not too shabby!

  83. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Keep your eyes on the prize.

    ;)

  84. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    YT-

    That was Bailey instead of, not in addition to, Tanaka.

    It’s easier but not necessarily safer to get Tanaka, and then just get Bailey as a FA next year.

    ;)

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    pyanks – he had a great year last year, and his WL record speaks to it. Hell, here you have a pitching coach and the player himself speaking to why the guy has improved, but keyboard experts who know better. :roll: And it isn’t like Jiminez just broke onto the scene and has no track record of being a great pitcher.

    My thing is that I think it’s worth the risk. But I won’t lose sleep over it if he doesn’t come here. No pitcher comes with an automatic guarantee. We all know that.

  86. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    And I’m not even making the case against Garza! Injuries, NL numbers, ineffective with the Rangers.

    I think we can all agree on Tanaka as the first preference.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    “Different opinions are great just so we all remember the future is always the great unknown.”

    The 2011 Sux said hi again.

  88. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    LR has not proven himself adept at correcting mechanical flaws IMO.

  89. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Everyone please stop with the Ubaldo thing. He has upside and risk. None of us can affirmatively predict whether he will be good or awful next year. His career has shown both possibilities.l

    Getting into a name calling, insulting exchange is silly.

  90. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Kev-

    Not really.

    ;)

  91. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Trish there is no need to insult others. Over the last three yrs minus the second half of last yr he hasn’t been a good pitcher. That’s it. The improvement is based on a second half push to cash in. He would be moving to a new ballpark, new pitching coach, and big expectations.

  92. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    One last word. I don’t expect a pitching coach to say he is winning with mirrors of course he will say nice things. They all do.

  93. 86w183 December 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    gotta run for awhile…. have fun all and…

    have a day!

  94. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am

    MTU December 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am
    Kev-

    Not really.

    ;)
    ———

    Well, Bailey would be nice, but it seems like it won’t happen. I think Yanks would do Gardner for Bailey, but it seems like the Reds aren’t interested. Or it was all rumor. Or the Yanks like Gardner + Tanaka more than just Bailey.

  95. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I’m expecting next week to start getting really interesting.

    News on AR. First rumors on Tanaka.

    :)

  96. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Kev-

    Perhaps. And perhaps not.

    Anyway, I agree that Tanaka is the main target.

  97. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Arod Poll so far:

    (very few people followed instructions and put AROD POLL in the comment, so several may have been missed_

    ys guy 162
    MTU 100
    tomingeorgia 65
    Niblick 80
    blake 100
    86w183 162
    Abe Peterham 0
    RadioKev 50
    easyenough 150
    Mike Ri 100
    Yankee Trader 60
    Tar 50
    Can of Corn 161
    Your Worst Nightmare 211
    exiledintampa 81
    cashmoney 3000000

  98. Cashmoney December 31st, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I got the upper bound covered, Ys.

  99. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Y’s-

    What does the winner(s) get ?

  100. AAA December 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Considered Jimenez’s career stats are a 3.92 ERA and a 112 ERA+, maybe 2011 and 2012 are outliers?
    ================================

    Maybe there are no outliers and consistent inconsistency is his hallmark. In 2010, with the Rockies he had a run similar to his close to the 2013 season. He started the year 11-1 with a .93 ERA over his 1st dozens starts enroute to a 3rd place finish in the NL Cy race. He finished 2010 by going 7-7 with with a 4.20 ERA over his last 21 starts.

    Obviously he is capable of brilliance, and has even been able to sustain it for a 12-15 start period. However, he also equally capable of being Daniel Cabrera for extended periods of time as well. My concerns with him of late would be that 1) His velocity is not close to where it was in 2010 (it has decreased in each of the last 4 seasons in fact) and, 2) He doesn’t give you innings anymore. As an AL pitcher, he’s averaged 5.7 innings (or 17 outs) per start.

  101. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    the winner gets the pride and esteem that goes with being the winner!

  102. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    i think i have a burger king crown around here somewhere…

  103. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    pyanks – he had a great year last year, and his WL record speaks to it. Hell, here you have a pitching coach and the player himself speaking to why the guy has improved, but keyboard experts who know better. :roll: And it isn’t like Jiminez just broke onto the scene and has no track record of being a great pitcher.
    ———
    I’m the “keyboard expert”, right…

    Oye… I will admit to being a little disappointed in myself for being sucked into your madness.

  104. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “Unlike you, who admits to not paying attention to Jiminez last year and is trying to make a total case from one page on the internet, I check out all aspects.”

    Lol yea like telling me to look at the improvements he’s made over the last 3 years! I watched ubaldo pitch a lot last year…..he found sync mechanically in the 2nd half. His history suggests that he can’t sustain that for long periods

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    “Trish there is no need to insult others.”

    Awww, you mean this, Against?

    “AAA December 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am
    I think you’re BSing because you have no idea what you’re talking about .

    ====================================

    I agree with you, but would like to issue you an internet dope slap for getting into this argument. You should know better.”

    I didn’t feel insulted! But thanks for having my back.

    Oh wait…

  106. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    the average pick, not counting cashmoney’s is 102 games.

  107. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Trisha,
    I hope you don’t resort to petty insults in the courtroom when you’re called to support your arguments.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    pyanks – actually I wasn’t talking about you.

    ***********

    “ralphterry December 31st, 2013 at 10:09 am
    “but keyboard experts who know better”

    pot/kettle”

    randy? I thought you were banned!

  109. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    “I think you’re a whimp to try to sell one half of 2013 but not to take the time to break the other two years into halves. It’s lazy.”

    No like this Trisha

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    “Trisha,
    I hope you don’t resort to petty insults in the courtroom when you’re called to support your arguments.”

    Just the facts, sir. One person’s “petty insult” is another person’s hard-core evidence.

  111. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Just the facts, sir. One person’s “petty insult” is another person’s hard-core evidence”

    You have yet to state any facts!

  112. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Austinmac

    so

    2010: 96.1
    2013 post-All Star: 92.1

    So a drop of 4 MPH over 3 years but an uptick through 2013.

  113. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 10:24 am

    That sounds more fair than 5 MPH drop, delivery held together by “bubble gum”

  114. MG December 31st, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Jimenez is a guy who pitches great when he is throwing strikes.

    He had one great month last year, in September.

    The last great month he had before that was in 2010.

    He is going to be 30 in January, I don’t know how he has earned a big, long term contract based on 1 good month in 3+ full seasons.

    As others have mentioned, he has a funky delivery and a full offseason to forget everything he found last year.

    Just like golfers losing their A+ swings from month to month (swing to swing for amateurs), pitchers with funky deliveries can lose it pretty easily-Mo had the most repeatable motion ever, that’s one of the main reasons he could pitch effectively until 43.

    Jimenez could be good for the next few years or he could be worse than Burnett was with the Yankees, I don’t see how a big contract makes good business sense.

  115. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    On a new subject, Teixiera hopes to be swinging freely in February. What is the back up plan if he can’t go? I don’t see any other first basemen on the roster worth consideration. I suppose they see how he is in the spring and send out an SOS for Overbay or someone like him if he can’t go.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    blake – it was the truth. I think you were whimping out, and I think it was lazy. Period. If you’re going to make an argument, make it solid and make it relevant.

    Breaking one season down into halves and not doing the same for the others was apples and oranges for me.

  117. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Let any combo of Phelps, Nuno, Warren, Pineda, Banuelos be part of a trade package mid season.

    Roll with CC, Kuroda, Nova, Tanaka, Jimenez

  118. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:28 am

    blake – it was the truth. I think you were whimping out, and I think it was lazy. Period. If you’re going to make an argument, make it solid and make it relevant.”

    Trisha I posted the splits….they don’t change the argument….he’s been bad the last 3 years and you pointed to his improvement over that time as evidence… Which his inaccurate.

    You need to look things up before you post them

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 10:29 am

    “You have yet to state any facts!”

    You have to try harder than that, blake. Harder at reading that is.

    You probably should have quit when you told AAA you were going to.

  120. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I’m done with this topic though….I should have known better as AAA said

  121. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    December 31, 2013 at 10:24 am
    That sounds more fair than 5 MPH drop, delivery held together by “bubble gum”

    Ok 4 mph drop held together by duct tape :)

  122. Cashmoney December 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    MG, happy holidays, good to have you back.

  123. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Awww, you mean this, Against?

    ————

    You’re the one that started with the insults toward Blake.

  124. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    On a new subject, Teixiera hopes to be swinging freely in February. What is the back up plan if he can’t go”

    Panic

  125. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    :lol:

  126. Chip December 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Blake,

    I’m all for Johan on a minor league deal. I feel like Ubaldo’s the kind of talent a smart team passes on and if he does great somewhere else you say “good for him” but don’t really have any regrets about letting him go. For me he just falls into that AJ Burnett, Edwin Jackson, Phil Hughes, Edinson Volquez category of guys who have great potential based on their raw ability but just lack any sort of reliability.

  127. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Jimenez and his erratic performance resume, is the kind of player you Trade for at the Deadline, and hope he will “find it” and carry your team down-the-stretch. Then, if he stinks the following season, you have something that made the gamble worth the risk. Now, SIGNING a guy with his track record??? You gotta be kidding.

  128. Chip December 31st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    On the other hand – if you’re signing Ubaldo because you are dealing Nova for a young, impact infielder – then I think you have to look at it.

  129. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “AJ Burnett, Edwin Jackson, Phil Hughes, Edinson Volquez category of guys who have great potential based on their raw ability but just lack any sort of reliability.”

    Nova ???

  130. Baby Ruth December 31st, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Ys Guy:

    ‘Arod’ gets 200

    Ritter Sports Bars ? LOL !

  131. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Chip,
    Agreed…..I wouldn’t mind ubaldo on a 1 year deal. But he figures to get more than that

  132. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Now Nova, talk about erratic ;)

  133. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Will the real Ivan Nova please stand up.

    :)

  134. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:37 am

    The kind of $$$ and length of contract = an absolute No Go on Jimenez. The Yankees are supposed to be getting away from this type of acquisition\commitment. Some of you people should be in the Yankee FO. You would fit right in.

  135. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Nova is all about that sinker….when he has it he’s good….when he doesn’t he’s terrible. Hopefully he’s found a way to keep it around

  136. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    What kind of deal is Ubaldo going to get?

    I mean Ricky Nolasco got 4 years – $49M.
    (Before 2013 his ERA was mid 4′s in the NL for the 3 years prior)

    Isn’t someone going to give Ubaldo more money then him based on potential?

  137. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Blake-

    I know you think Nova is going to remain inconsistent and maybe should be sold high.

    And you know I think he finally has found a durable combination and should stay.

    But one thing I think we both can agree on is that there is doubt one way or the other.

    This will be the year where we find out once and for all.

    He is still to be consider part of the risk FWIS.

    ;)

  138. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Sign Jimenez, see how Pineda and Banuelos develop in AAA. Then whenever/if you can safely do so, trade Nova for STARLIN CASTRO

    Now are you opposed to spending someone else’s money on Jimenez?

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    “He’s been bad the last 3 years and you pointed to his improvement over that time as evidence… Which his inaccurate.”

    Now I know you’ve lost it. You don’t even know the definition of improvement. What you’ve just done is the equivalent of saying that someone who went from a C grade to an A grade did not improve. I give up. Think whatever you want to. When someone’s argument becomes unintelligible, I become bored.

    ************

    For anyone who understands what it means to improve, going from a record of 10-13 to a record of 13-9 is an improvement. Going from an ERA of 4.68 to 3.30 is an improvement.

  140. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    The Yanks let Hughes walk and he got $7 Mill X 3yrs. No way the Yanks should be messing with Jimenez.

  141. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Blake-

    Never argue w an attorney.

    :)

  142. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    some people just bring the sunshine.

  143. Chip December 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Yes, Nova’s as erratic as the others…but for 1/10th the cost.

    On the other hand, because of the talent and price Nova does have significant trade value. As I said, if you can get a Chris Owings, Neil Walker, Josh Donaldson or Chris Johnson for him, I think you have to consider it.

    The problem is that if Nova stinks and you have guys in the minors you can replace him. If Ubaldo stinks making 12 mil/year over 4 years – you’re stuck with him

  144. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    If the Yanks want a SS, they should just sign Drew, hang onto Nova, and forget Jimenez.

  145. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    I want to take a moment to wish everyone on LoHud a Healthy, Happy, and Prosperous New Year.

    :)

  146. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MTU,
    I’ll be honest….I have no idea what Nova is. I hope he’s found it….if he has then th really help the Yankees going forward

  147. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    For anyone who understands inconsistency, see Jiminez. Come on Trisha. Give it a rest. He is as inconsistent as any pitcher. He could be good or awful. Disagree?

  148. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 31, 2013 at 10:45 am
    If the Yanks want a SS, they should just sign Drew, hang onto Nova, and forget Jimenez.

    Strange for me and Donny to be agreeing so much

  149. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Blake-

    We all have our hunches then. Let’s just put it that way.

    :)

  150. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 10:48 am

    DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    —————————

    Very well said.

  151. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Finish the job Hal !

    ;)

  152. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:50 am

    All of you agree with me Far more than you want to admit. The wrapping ain’t attractive, but the Gift inside More than makes up for it.

  153. AAA December 31st, 2013 at 10:50 am

    If the Yanks want a SS, they should just sign Drew, hang onto Nova, and forget Jimenez.

    ===================================

    Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 3h

    Brian Cashman yesterday said Yanks are not signing Stephen Drew. How Sox do pillow contract that isn’t shoved down his throat is delicate

  154. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    MTU,

    The same to you. I hope you and yours have a happy and HEALTHY new year.

  155. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    DB-

    Sorry to burst your bubble but I rarely agree with you.

    I take note when I do.

    :(

  156. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    i think hughes was $8M x 3.

    they passed on byrd for 2/$8 and instead signed chris young for 1/$7M, then let hughes get away for 3/$24M and ended up with soon-to-be 41 y/o bartolo for 2/$20.

    the mets seem to be running their club in reaction to what the fans are saying on wfan.

  157. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Thanks Mac.

    We could use an improvement over 2013.

    ;)

  158. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I find it hard to believe Cashman would Broadcast that the Yanks were Not going to sign Drew. Cashman is pretty good at making Boston pay top $$$ for players the Yanks are Not interested in = Carl Crawford.

  159. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am

    ubaldo runs hot and cold, always has. as a fantasy player, you learn to keep an eye on ubaldo because he’s usually available but when he gets on a streak, you want to pick him up.

    i have played ubaldo very well over the last few years but he’s burned me several times, too.

    i dont need to look up his stats to know that i wouldnt want to sign him to a contract longer than a month or two.

  160. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I don’t want the Sox to get Drew on a short underpriced contract. Irritating if it happens.

  161. Against All Odds December 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Strange for me and Donny to be agreeing so much

    —————–

    I’m agreeing with him too. Hard to argue the good points he’s making.

  162. blake December 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “Brian Cashman yesterday said Yanks are not signing Stephen Drew. How Sox do pillow contract that isn’t shoved down his throat is delicate”

    Pete isn’t exactly the best source these days….

  163. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    MTU,

    I remember the time you agreed with me. I thought how smart you were being. :)

  164. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    And if Boston is thinking they can get him back for 1 year then that’s all the more reason the yanks should sign him

  165. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Yanks get Tanaka, then they Must look at Slowly stretching him into pitching on 4 days rest. I haven’t looked at the 2014 schedule in April, but all the other SP’s will have to sacrifice for Tanaka. Tanaka will be the guy consistently being skipped due to off days, rain outs, etc. To me though, the Yankee season will ride on CC. No Ace= No Chance.

  166. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Donny,

    Don’t get the big head with the praise. :)

  167. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Donny is on fire

  168. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    i cant see drew coming here to join the muddle at 3b or ss. if i were him i would want no part of sharing a position with either jeter or arod.

    i’ve believed from the beginning that boras is trying his hardest to get a yankees v. socks bidding war going, but it just ain’t happenin’.

    i think drew has absolutely no intention of joining the yankees.

  169. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Depending on the source, sometimes agreement is Not a compliment.

  170. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    If the Yanks let Drew go back to Boston on a 1 year deal that will be disappointing…..I can’t imagine drew accepting that really……He turned down a 14 million dollar 1 year deal from them already

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    “For anyone who understands inconsistency, see Jiminez. Come on Trisha. Give it a rest. He is as inconsistent as any pitcher. He could be good or awful. Disagree?”

    It is factually CORRECT to note that Jiminez’s has shown improvement over the last three years. The stats bear that out. On the other hand, there has been no debate whatsoever about consistency or inconsistency. The fact that he has improved over the last three years has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not he has been a consistent or inconsistent pitcher throughout his career.

    And I think I’ve already answered your question numerous times this morning by saying that there is no guarantee with any pitcher and they all come with risk.

    And even understanding the risk that he might bring, I’d be very excited to have Jiminez on the team. Last I looked that was my right.

    And with that, I leave you all to do what you do best, whatever that may be. I forgot how risky it was to disagree with the masses here.

    Ciao now!

  172. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:06 am

    sorry to break up the donnyfest, but i would not mess with the rest of the staff to make tanaka comfortable.

    id put him in the #5 slot so he gets extra days off, but that’s it. i would not move anyone else’s starts around for him.

  173. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    I could see Drew signing with the Yanks, if he thought he would be the Yankee starting SS in 2015. Jeter signing the 1yr deal does look like a Swan Song.

  174. yanks61 December 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    AROD POLL

    Y’s Guy, I have to agree with 83W that there is no way to know where this Aroid business is going to end up. We just don’t know what MLB has on him and how convincing the “proof.”

    However, much as I’d like to see him gone for good (for a variety of reasons), I’ll take a wild guess and say 120 games. I think even if there is good reason to go over the “Braun line” (the peds Mendoza line), that the arbitrator will, nonetheless alas, go for a compromise rather than the full penalty. Of course if the evidence is not convincing enough, a 65 game penalty would not surprise me.

    By the way, I asked this the other day and no one took up the following question;

    If the Yankees really, REALLY wanted to force AR into a buyout, why could they not just nail him to the bench? If they only used him as a PH against lefties, how long would it take for him to get disgusted enough to go for a reasonable settlement?

    I know, I know, they’d be wasting a roster spot and benching their currently best potential alternative for 3B. But, in theory, wouldn’t it stand a good chance of working? Plus no likely bonus for passing Mays (which is now a repugnant likelihood should AR not spend most of the season sitting on his fanny.) I just don’t see AR accepting to sit around like that, cooling his heels. Of course the bad feelings might affect the rest of the team, I have to admit. But if I were running the team, I’d certainly strongly consider doing just that. And if they were out of contention, there’s no question but that I would do it.

    Before anyone thinks that a semi-permanent benching can’t be done, those of us old enough to remember will recall that Billy Martin did exactly that to Kenny Holtzman. Others in the past have been similarly given the same cold shoulder by their manager/management.

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “ubaldo wants 85 million or so for the next 5-6 years.”

    Now that’s a horse of a different color. All I’ve said is that I would be excited to give him a flyer. I didn’t say I thought a long-term contract was a smart deal. I hadn’t read what he was looking for.

  176. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    You’re out of your element Donny

  177. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I’m hopeful that the reason Drew hasn’t signed is because the Yanks have asked him to wait until the Arod ruling comes down…..or perhaps Drew is thinking that own his own

  178. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I’m Frequently attacked by wannabes.

  179. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Drew would get plenty of time at SS due to Jeet needing all kinds of DH time, he would probably be the Opening Day SS in 2015, and that (L) bat in Yankee stadium? The guy has got to Seriously be interested.

  180. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Before anyone thinks that a semi-permanent benching can’t be done, those of us old enough to remember will recall that Billy Martin did exactly that to Kenny Holtzman.”
    ===============================
    it was a different game back them. martin would never get away with the crap he did back then today.
    he was a mean drunk and even though he famously said he’d start hitler if he could help him win a game, he treated people like holtzman and glen burke like garbage.

  181. Bret The Hitman December 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Chip has an eternal boner for AZ prospects.

  182. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Drew solves a lot of problems both in 2014 and beyond….

  183. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Yanks61 – I haven’t been around for a while and hadn’t seen your question but I just saw it now and my quick response is that he would quickly get litigious on them and just provide more distraction. I could see Tacopina coming up with constructive discharge, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and probably try to carve out a new law called “unspoken slander”. :)

    With someone as unbalanced as Arod, I think it would be far too risky a move. JMO.

    Nice to see you, by the way. Talk to you later.

  184. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Plus signing Drew means Boston had to plays Boegarts at SS and middlebrooks every day at 3B…..which they may not be ready to do and it would really decrease their depth

  185. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:16 am

    you can’t seriously expect stephen drew to come here to split SS with jeter.

    you also can’t seriously expect the yankees to bring in a high profile SS this year either unless jeter says he can’t play there.

    drew is only a 3b possibility and then only if arod is suspened for the season. and that only on a one year deal.

  186. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Martin would Never be hired to manage today. The FO’s want Puppets, Not guys that are confident enough to make all kinds of in-game moves based on a “feel for The Game, and man enough to accept the responsibility afterwards.

  187. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    you can’t seriously expect stephen drew to come here to split SS with jeter.”

    I think he will follow the money…..he would play everyday somewhere for the yanks and be the full time SS in 2015

  188. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Mac-

    I could always resort to YT’s favorite line.

    “If I agreed w you we’d both be wrong.”

    :)

  189. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “I’m Frequently attacked by wannabes.”

    For me it’s usually Apaches.

    ;)

  190. yanks61 December 31st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Y’s Guy, I completely agree with your assessment on Martin. However, what is there to stop the Yanks from doing what I said if they really want to get rid of him? Now, I’m not saying that that’s the case. I’m merely saying that I can’t see why it couldn’t be done if they really wanted to get him off the team and were willing to do a reasonable buyout.

    So, in conclusion, if he comes back and brings the circus with him, and the Yanks don’t do their damnest to find a way to get him to compromise on a buyout, then they’re really aren’t interested in getting rid of him.

  191. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Maddux currently is at 100% by everyone who has made their ballots public…..you just know some loser is gonna wreck his perfecto

  192. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Jeet knows he can Not play defensively consistently. The expression is “Know your limitations”. Jeet described last season as a “nightmare”. Jeet learned his lesson about “limitations”. He came back too soon, and played too consistently on defense when he did return. He knows this, and I believe has accepted this.

  193. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    terry bradshaw backed up the duck dynasty guy at Louisiana Tech till robertson quit to hunt ducks?

    strange world…

  194. yanks61 December 31st, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Hi Trisha. I absolutely see what you mean and have considered that possibilty. However, it just seems to me that that would mean that players are really running the team if they can dictate when and how they are played. If the Yanks just said we don’t view AR as anything more than a PH against LHs, isn’t that their right?

  195. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:24 am

    so who’s gonna make the call to jeter to tell him they’re giving his position away?

    not gonna happen…

  196. GregD December 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Any progress on Tanaka?

  197. Blojaldo December 31st, 2013 at 11:26 am

    You must know “Jeet” intimately to have such insight. To know what “Jeet” knows! Wow! Awesome!

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 31st, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “I didn’t say I thought a long-term contract was a smart deal. I hadn’t read what he was looking for.”

    :)

    randy, I see you haven’t changed a bit, except that you have to tone it way down, which must be killing you. :D

    Perhaps you should show me where Ubaldo has spelled out what he’s looking for.

    I was referencing being thorough in my research on a specific topic – such as a player’s ability. Or, you know, how pitching is more important to a team than offense.

    bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, randy! Bye now!

  199. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:27 am

    i can’t get upset if maddux doesnt get 100%.

    rickey henderson didnt get 100%. dimag, mantle, none of them did.

    the HOF vote is broken, unfair and continuously inconsisetent, so i just cant get upset about it.

  200. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Who said anything about “giving his position away”? If Jeet was serious about being a full-time SS, he would Not have signed a 1 yr deal. Right now, I would say mentally Jeet is Exactly where MO was at this time last season. Mo did Not want fans to remember him being carried off the field on a stretcher, and Jeet is thinking the same thing in regard to his 2013 season.

  201. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Ys Guy says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:24 am
    so who’s gonna make the call to jeter to tell him they’re giving his position away?

    not gonna happen…

    Supposedly they talked to him about it already when they signed him

  202. Blojaldo December 31st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Just imagine the diabolical plot being conceived right now by some failing columnists. Not voting for Mo on the first ballot and then writing about it to instantly become the most read sports journalist in the world.

  203. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    When you look at Exactly who is voting, just what can you expect ???

  204. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    I would sign Drew to play 3B initially in 2013 if Jeter doesn’t want to move over there…..but having drew around woukd be great if you get to Tampa and discover that Derek just can’t do it.

  205. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:33 am

    wait, jeter’s not serious because he signed a one year deal, but mo was when he signed his?!?

    but thanks for the insight into where jeter is mentally. i find it surprising that jeter would be living in fear of what the fans will think when he fails.

  206. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Everyone knows what a “donnybrook” is.

    For his NY year’s resolution DONNYBROOK should look to change his name to “Man of Few Words”.

    My bet is he’d get a much fairer hearing around here.

    ;)

  207. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I think they should have the conversation with Jeter about moving to 3B and then dabble with it in ST…..if he’s not receptive to it then you could start the season with Drew at 3rd and Jeter at SS primarily and his see how it goes……either way having Drew on the left side is gonna improve the defense…..it would do more so if he’s at SS though

  208. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Whether it’s Baseball or Life, the bulk of it is observation and permutation.

  209. tbone1570 December 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Supposedly they talked to him about it already when they signed him
    **************************
    blake,

    where did you hear about this?

  210. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Let me give Derek a call and I’ll settle for ya’.

    :)

  211. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    listen i do not expect much from jeter this year and as i’ve said i would not be surprised if he never or barely every plays again.

    but like ripken before him, the tail is wagging the dog here and has been for some time.

    i dont see this changing now.

  212. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    ed: settle it. Duh.

  213. Blojaldo December 31st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    If Drew’s contract demands drop it could conceivably happen. The injuries are a concern but that seems to be part of the Yankee fabric these days.

  214. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am

    - Blake -
    Drew fits. The question once again becomes the $189. Fact or fiction?

  215. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “where did you hear about this?”

    It was reported when he signed that they woukd still pursue other options at SS…..now I don’t know what capacity that meant….I hope they didn’t mean Brenden Ryan

  216. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    DB-

    189 = Toast

    Burnt toast.

    ;)

  217. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:39 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:37 am
    - Blake -
    Drew fits. The question once again becomes the $189. Fact or fiction?

    Well we will know soon if it’s even still possible….after the Arod ruling they will know if it’s still even possible and then maybe we will get a better idea of what they will do

  218. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am

    chad makes usa today again (online at least):

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....n/4258439/

  219. AAA December 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Any progress on Tanaka?

    ==========================

    It’ll be settled sometime around the 11th hour on 1/24.

  220. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    The Yankees need an additional SP, and some Pen help.

    They need to sign Baker.

    Tanaka or not they are going over.

    No way AR gets a full season IMO.

    ;)

  221. tbone1570 December 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    It was reported when he signed that they woukd still pursue other options at SS…..now I don’t know what capacity that meant….I hope they didn’t mean Brenden Ryan

    *********************************

    got it, just want to make sure you’re doing all of your homework ;)

  222. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    To me if they signed Drew and Baker it would totally change the complexion of the infield and the amount of depth they have.

    You’d be adding a guy in Drew that’s hits RHP very well and a guy in Baker that hits LHP very well…..and you’d be adding another guy that can play SS.

    Girardi would have tons of lineup and platoon options and also back up plans for injury…..and given that Jeter and Roberts are both serious injury risks they really need that

  223. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    ryan was ‘other options’.

    drew would be a slap in the face.

  224. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Y’s-

    I think Chad will be getting a new gig soon.

    He’s too good. He’s ready to break out.

    ;)

  225. Blojaldo December 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    As far as another SP goes, I would personally take a shot on Ubaldo. If Hal’s throwing $189 to the wolves the Yankees can afford the risk. I liked what Cafardo had to say.

    “A few GMs I spoke with recently feel the Yankees may wind up with Jimenez, even if they land Masahiro Tanaka. “He had an excellent second half, has great stuff, and he has the type of personality that would fit New York,” one GM said. “He doesn’t let things get to him. He’s good at shrugging off things and turning the page.”

    Sabathia – Tanaka – Kuroda – Jimenez – Nova – Pineda? If all are healthy, what’s not to like.

  226. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Blake-

    I think you are bound to be disappointed on Drew.

    :(

  227. GregD December 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    AAA—-why the 24th?

  228. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Y’s-

    I think Chad will be getting a new gig soon.”
    ==========================================
    the last time we changed blogger was the first lohud championship!

  229. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Ys Guy says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:43 am
    ryan was ‘other options’.

    drew would be a slap in the face.”

    I just don’t get how it’s a also in the face at Jeters age to ask him to move to 3B…..

  230. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Don’t know the $$$ involved, but just based on the player, I would go with Reynolds over Baker.

  231. GregD December 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I think if the Yanks could get Jiminez on a two year deal…it might be worth the risk

  232. DONNYBROOK December 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Chad you go “USA” on us and we will be pissed.

  233. AAA December 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    AAA—-why the 24th?

    ====================

    That’s the drop dead date. Tanaka must be signed by then or head back to Japan. He’ll be signed, but they’re going to have numerous options and will almost certainly exhaust all the time they have in considering them and signing on with someone.

  234. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Chad needs a “syndicated” gig.

    :)

  235. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:52 am

    just to point something out, the yankees had the highest payroll in baseball last year by a long shot, and have had the highest payrolls in history the past 3-4 years.

    now everybody’s got great ideas how to put the yankees back on top, and all of them involve spending a ton more money. whether it’s drew or jiminez, tanaka of course, baker, bailey, balfour.

    the yankees have to spend to make up for their lack of player development, but spending is not necessarily the answer.

    the could maybe leave just a crack somewhere, a sliver of space that could allow for some young player to step in and energize the team.

    i have nothing against any one of the players on that list and others, but i dont know that i want EVERY spot on the roster being taken up by some big name.

    more money won’t solve everything.

  236. Wave Your Hat December 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Just sign Tanaka and another reliever. That’s all they need. They will win if they do that.

  237. blake December 31st, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Wave Your Hat says:
    December 31, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Just sign Tanaka and another reliever. That’s all they need. They will win if they do that.

    If love to have Drew too but yea Tanaka and Balfour woukd have them a playoff team if te health cooperates I think.

  238. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Ys,

    The Yankees payroll was less than a million more than the Dodgers. The reason is was so high is because they didn’t effectively look ahead and plan for the aging. They were left with holes and no one to fill them.

    Spending for holes is needed when we have no other options. Do you want Nunez to start at 3B? Johnson, who has only played there 10-15 games in his career? Kelly as the eighth inning guy? No one else who has closed except Robertson?

  239. pkyankfan69 December 31st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Roy Halladay went to an 80′s party dressed as Jamie Moyer

    http://www.sbnation.com/lookit.....-80s-party

    Pretty funny stuff.

  240. CHIN MUSIC December 31st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Ha ! Ha ! Ha !

  241. RadioKev December 31st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Y’s-

    I think Chad will be getting a new gig soon.

    He’s too good. He’s ready to break out.

    ;)
    ———

    Indeed.

  242. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    personally im not afraid of ryan as out starting ss. i think the lineup can carry him.

    having ryan and tex on the infield makes me feel alot better about the defense.

    and this team is going to have solid pinch hitters every game.

    and with ryan there will be no controversy with jeter, jeter will play when he can and ryan will be fine with it.

    drew’s really good when he’s healthy and i’d be fine with him at 3b, but i think we’re good at ss right now.

  243. austinmac December 31st, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Chad,

    Congrats on getting your story picked up nationally. We will lose you for notoriety and money one day soon. Sounds good. Can we come?

  244. MTU December 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Time to walk the Mops.

    Back later.

    :)

  245. wanzies222 December 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Got a minute or two; I’ll jump in if that’s okay…

    I skimmed the last couple of days worth of posts and thought I’d comment on a couple of things:

    The interest in Jimenez is real. The FO concern is CC’s 2nd half ERA of 6.00+. He’s convinced he needs his girth back. Docs want him thinner because of the knees. F = ma

    As baseball fans, you’ve all heard this a million times…”so and so went from being a thrower to a pitcher”.

    Jimenez’ metamorphosis is that simple. He became a pitcher. He was consumed by getting his velocity back to 98 instead of throwing with movement. Then changes came about. All the credit for that goes to Mickey Callaway. He’s recognized inside the industry as a pretty good instructor.

    Don’t sell Jimenez short. Those who know believe he will be the steal of FA.

  246. Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    New Post from;

    Chad Jennings, USA TODAY Sports

  247. Can of Corn December 31st, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Ys Guy December 31st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “MTU December 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Y’s-

    I think Chad will be getting a new gig soon.”

    ========

    Aren’t both USA Today & The Journal News both under the Gannett umbrella ?

  248. Can of Corn December 31st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    New Thread :arrow:

    ‘Year in review: A feel-good team (but only for a moment)’ ?

  249. Wave Your Hat December 31st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    blake-

    I’d love Drew as well, but on the few days I’m not greedy, with Tanaka and a shored-up bullpen I think the Yanks could rock and roll, at least until the old guys start heading to the orthopedist.

  250. Blojaldo December 31st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    wanzies222 December 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    “Got a minute or two; I’ll jump in if that’s okay…”

    Good post. Agree totally.

  251. blake December 31st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Don’t sell Jimenez short. Those who know believe he will be the steal of FA.”

    That delivery is the issue….I need to see him be able to repeat it for more than a half a season before I’m paying him a lot of money but that’s just me.


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