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Eppler: Yankees prepared to sort through smaller-name third base options

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 13, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees assistant general manager Billy Eppler was on MLB Network radio yesterday and said basically the same thing Joe Girardi said about the third base situation: The Yankees are fully prepared to sort through a bunch of less establish options and “go to war” with whoever emerges from that group in spring training.

“Our eyes are always going to stay open,” Eppler said. “We’ll look left, we’ll look right, we’ll look under rocks and see if something can work itself out and make sense. But with Kelly Johnson, who we spoke to earlier in the (off)season, you know, before we came to an agreement with him. We talked to him about playing third base, and he’s had limited time at third base, but we did talk to him about preparing to play a little bit of third base as well as second base, and there’s outfield as well. So, just the flexibility that he brings, also the left-handed bat aspect of it, is helpful for us.

“Eduardo Nunez played a lot of third base at the end of last season, and played it particularly well. So you couple those two with Dean Anna and a couple other minor league guys that we’re hopeful and close on, and just go to war with that.”

Eppler also echoed Girardi’s statements about feeling the need to further reinforce the pitching staff. It seems to be an obvious need, and it’s not one that’s escaped the Yankees attention.

“Most definitely,” Eppler said. “We would love to add to the rotation or the bullpen if we can. We entered the offseason focused on supplementing our lineup and bracing for the potential departure of free agents, which happened, but we also feel that we’ve added some very accomplished personnel, very accomplished players, with McCann and Beltran and Ellsbury and Johnson. So, we like the complexion of our lineup, but we would like to focus on the rotation or the bullpen if we can and the opportunity presents itself.”

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193 Responses to “Eppler: Yankees prepared to sort through smaller-name third base options”

  1. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Wells was DFA’d because he could be cut for free. Ichiro costs 6.5 mil so they won’t cut him expect as last resort.

    I really like that MLBNR said that “Now that A-rod is suspended, the Yankees will stop pursuit of Chase Headley’. Logically it would make sense for their pursuit to increase, but I guess they really love the idea of saving money. Cripes.

  2. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    You have to hear the tone coming out of San Diego on Headley first before you react to that tweet.

  3. blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    January 13, 2014 at 11:46 am
    blake – I saw that thing about big foot where that guy shot a ‘feral human’ lol… insane! I’m figuring the show is made up of actors and not real people that shot real humans!

    I mean I read that this guy actually claimed to have shot a Bigfoot and had real DNA tested and it came back human…..dude is crazy ….Dean Cain has fell a long way from playing Clark Kent

  4. blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    My guess is the yanks could get Headley if they were willing to make a good offer…..if they offered Nova then the padres would be dumb not to do that given that it’s unlikely they can sign him…..

  5. blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    If course the guy said it came back feral human….which you can’t tell from Dna…..the show is kinda funny in watching a train wreck kinda way and it’s funny watching the scientist guy debunk them. One guy brought some moss as evidence and thought it was Bigfoot hair

  6. RadioKev January 13th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:50 am
    My guess is the yanks could get Headley if they were willing to make a good offer…..if they offered Nova then the padres would be dumb not to do that given that it’s unlikely they can sign him…..
    ———-

    I don’t think Nova gets it done. The Padres are crazy for Headley apparently.

  7. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    And Bubba Crosby is our CF too !

    OK. I believe you Billy. Whatever you say. Sure thing.

    :)

  8. JobaTipsHisCap January 13th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    “What you are missing is that the additional suspension A-Rod received was because of his actions that no other players took. Impeding the investigation, possible threats, destroying evidence, etc.”

    for every single one of allegation, MLB needs to show the evidence. I am not sure if the way MLB obtained those evidence is legal or not. For starters, MLB is not a legal entity.
    I think the desired outcome is either arod in jail, or some high rank MLB officials in jail.

  9. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    You can’t offer Nova until you get MT and UJ/Bailey.

    First things first.

    ;)

  10. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    The Padres are crazy for Headley apparently.

    _________

    It’s posturing. Ultimately if he wants to enter free agency and escape SD he doesn’t have to sign an extension this year and there’s nothing they can do about it. They’re playing a game of chicken. If he wants out, he becomes a half-season rental they will lose for a draft pick rather than a full season rental they “feel confident” they can reason because they’re “crazy” for him. It’s all posturing imo

  11. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I’m really not too worried about the 3rd base situation…it’ll get sorted out, they pretty much knew Alex wasn’t going to be there…at this point I think Headley is going to cost more than they’d like to spend. I think the team with another pitcher can keep itself in contention to the trading deadline..then anything can happen.

  12. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    edit: they can re-sign not “reason”

  13. blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I don’t think Nova gets it done. The Padres are crazy for Headley apparently.”

    They probably can’t sign him though

  14. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    The Pads would have to be nuts to turn down Nova for Headley.

    He’s way better than anything they could ever hope to get in the draft.

  15. blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    MTU says:
    January 13, 2014 at 11:54 am
    You can’t offer Nova until you get MT and UJ/Bailey.

    First things first.”

    Agreed…..I think you can only even consider dealing nova if you sign both

  16. coney1 January 13th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    I would bet Tanaka ends up on the Dodgers and the Yanks go cheap the rest of the way to get under $189M. Nothing else can explain their strategy on filling the holes at 2b and 3b so far.

  17. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    If the Yankees don’t trade for him now, Headley won’t be a Yankee in 2014. They don’t make those sorts of mid-season moves and if they did it’d be a waste of resources at that point. If they want him, buy him.

  18. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    “for every single one of allegation, MLB needs to show the evidence.”
    ========================================================
    no, they don’t. they only needed to provide enough evidence to convince frederic horiwitz, which they did.

    arod had the opportunity to respond to the evidence in the hearing but chose to walk out instead.

    thats the system both sides agreed to in advance.

  19. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    That’s bull if the 3B platoon is not performing and the prospects are building value Headley must certainly is the type of target you break policy for.

    So we’re supposed to forget about Headley if he’s not on the ST roster?

    No f’n way.

  20. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Bret-

    You are spot on.

    The Padres are in no position to be dictating anything.

    A Headley extension is very unlikely and once he reaches FA they’ll lose him.

    His value as a half-season guy is greatly diminished as well.

    If they want the max. return now is the time.

    ;)

  21. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    I’d give up Nova for someone like Castro, but not Headley. No chance I’m moving Nova for one year of any player.

  22. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Yeah Arod stormed out of the courtroom.

    Dead giveaway.

    He had nothing but pee and vinegar.

  23. Captain Clutch January 13th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    I find it really hard to believe that the Dodgers are “all in” on Tanaka. Next year they already have under contract Kershaw, Grienke, Ryu, Beckett, Billingsley, and Haren. They still have to give Kershaw about $280m, Hanley $170m+. I think that they are doing their homework and feeling it out but if the yanks go to $120m-$140m I can’t see them going there. They don’t have unlimited amounts of money like people think. I think the media is just assuming that they are all in and Tanaka’s agent including them is raising the price for the yanks.

  24. RadioKev January 13th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Padres already turned down Nova, didn’t they? ;)

  25. blake January 13th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    January 13, 2014 at 11:58 am
    I’d give up Nova for someone like Castro, but not Headley. No chance I’m moving Nova for one year of any player.

    I don’t know that I would either….just sayin I think that’s what it would take

  26. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    RadioKev says:
    January 13, 2014 at 11:59 am
    Padres already turned down Nova, didn’t they?

    Not recently that I know of

  27. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    That’s bull if the 3B platoon is not performing and the prospects are building value Headley must certainly is the type of target you break policy for.

    So we’re supposed to forget about Headley if he’s not on the ST roster?

    No f’n way.

    ——————

    I didn’t say you needed to forget anything.. I just think it’s super unlikely. Our 3B situation sucked all of last year and they did nothing. They’ll have a 3B and 2B situation to address this year… it’s gonna depend on who is available and for what, but I don’t expect them to make a huge mid-season move. Plus, ther teams can afford to give more for Headley than we can.

  28. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    i’m going to join the padres and say no to headley for nova.

  29. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Bret The Hitman says:
    January 13, 2014 at 11:59 am
    Yeah Arod stormed out of the courtroom.

    Dead giveaway.

    He had nothing but pee and vinegar.”

    Alex has really good lawyers…..all they have done is grand stand and pound the table. They had nothing in court and to me that’s pretty clear

  30. Mike Ri January 13th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    I’d give up Nova for someone like Castro, but not Headley. No chance I’m moving Nova for one year of any player.

    —-
    I agree .. I’m not giving up Nova for Headley …. no way

  31. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Since Headley is a rental his price to ALL teams is restricted by that. The Padres will fake like they can sign him and keep him to appease fans but at the deadline, all ears.

    He’s a guy we’re going to be talking about all year imo.

  32. RadioKev January 13th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    “Not recently that I know of”

    Not recently, no. I was just saying the Padres returned him to us after the Rule 5 draft.

  33. RadioKev January 13th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    I also don’t see why they would trade Headley now when they didn’t do it last offseason, when his value was much higher.

  34. Captain Clutch January 13th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Tanaka might prefer the west coast but I can’t see him leaving $15m+ on the table. If the Yanks are serious then they have to make a crazy offer. They are desperate and the Dodgers aren’t. If the yanks offer doesn’t reflect that then the fans are going to be pissed. Staying under $189m and not adding anymore upgrades would be a joke.

  35. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    “Right now we have replacement level or worse at 2B and 3B.”

    Literally the only guy that applies to is Eduardo Nunez. You can make a point that the Yankees have a questionable IF without exaggerating or lying. Lying about it takes away your credibility.

    “Yanks need tanaka a lot more than the Dodgers so if they don’t get him it’s because of 189….I don’t see any other way to look at it. They need him”

    Free agency is a two way street. There’s another really obvious way of looking at Tanaka signing in LA: Tanaka prefers to live in LA and/or play for the Dodgers for the next 5, 7, 9 years. Players don’t have to take the highest bid. Just yesterday Scott Sizemore signed with the Yankees on a minor league deal when he reportedly had two MLB offers on the table.

    “It is interesting though the Yankees DFA’d Wells and not Ichiro. For baseball reasons other than Tanaka? Perhaps. Perhaps not.”

    Ichiro was a much better player in 2013. The baseball only explanation is really strong. We don’t really need a conspiracy theory to figure out why a team cut a -0.8 fWAR guy with no above average baseball skill left and kept a 1.1 fWAR guy with more than one above average skills left (defense + baserunning). 2 fWAR better.

  36. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    blake – Even the scientists look like actors lol… I can’t believe that one guy is real.

  37. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    “If I’m Tanaka I would tell the Dodgers show the love and you got me. LA makes too much sense for Tanaka compared to NY unless he has always dreamed of being a Yankee.”

    Why does LA make “too much sense for Tanaka compared to NY?”

  38. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    the 3b situation isn’t solid, but they have more and better possible options there than they did last year.

    i like girardi alot, but one thing about him i dont like is his inflexibility in lineups and positions. he doesnt seem to like platoons.

    i think they can get above replacement production out of 3b and 2b if joe thinks more creatively and doesnt worry as much about how the players feel about it.

    and i didnt like the “derek will tell me when he plays’ line at all. at this point, joe needs to tell jeter when he’s playing.

  39. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    January 13, 2014 at 12:04 pm
    blake – Even the scientists look like actors lol… I can’t believe that one guy is real.

    Supposedly he works for NYU so go find out!

  40. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Headley made the most sense for this team mid-season last year. I’ve cooled on him since, just because I think he’s the classic case of paying twice if you get him. Look at the market this year.. Headley will get PAID if he hits the market and it looks like he has every intention of doing so.

  41. JobaTipsHisCap January 13th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    ‘Bobby125k’ sounds like a good name.
    lol

  42. Captain Clutch January 13th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    The scary thing is if the Yanks don’t get Tanaka it looks like they are done spending money. $189m is right there and it seems like Tanaka is the only way that they will go over. Maybe Tanaka, Balfour, and an infielder. Otherwise it looks like they are done and the team will be terrible if that is true. Tanaka is a must.

  43. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Nova is an established cost controlled major league starter. People are overselling him.

  44. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Why does LA make “too much sense for Tanaka compared to NY?”

    West coast, better team, pitchers park, young staff, better organization for pitchers, willing to spend lots of money, easier division

  45. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    i am not going to pretend to know how marital relations or east-west philosophy or which way the furniture is pointed will effect where tanaka goes.

    i think he’ll go to whoever puts up the most money.

    in case of a tie, i think he’ll go wherever he thinks he has the better long-term chance of winning the world series.

  46. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    West coast, better team, pitchers park, young staff, better organization for pitchers, willing to spend lots of money, easier division

    ————–

    His wife being an actress is probably a major factor. Overseas markets are obsessed with Hollywood. She could see it as a major networking opportunity.

  47. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    i said way back that the plan was going to be that they’d only go over for cano or tanaka.

    i think that plan is very much still in place

  48. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    I think the West coast over East coast is overplayed, the better organization for pitchers might make sense if he was coming up through the organization. A lot also depends on his make-up, how much of a challenge he wants.

  49. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    blake – What’s the exact name of the show, again? I’ll do some research!

  50. austinmac January 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    I’m hoping MTU doesn’t opt for the feral look while hiking.

  51. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    He already does…he wears the mops as headpiece and beard.

  52. exiledintampa January 13th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Isn’t one of the Dodger owners a big movie mogul? Would that effect his wifes career?

  53. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Literally the only guy that applies to is Eduardo Nunez. You can make a point that the Yankees have a questionable IF without exaggerating or lying. Lying about it takes away your credibility.

    Brian Roberts and Kelly Johnson were both replacement level last year. Their positive ~1 WAR values were built entirely on the ‘replacement bonus’ players get for having playing time. You get 2 WAR just for getting 600 PAs because it assumes you’re better than replacement by dint of playing time. Doesn’t mean you are actually performing better than replacement.

    The 2b/3b situation right now is pretty dire.

  54. austinmac January 13th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Ys,

    I think that is the plan. They will spend on Tanaka, but if not, go under.

  55. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Scares the crap out of the wildlife when his face starts barking

  56. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    January 13, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    blake – What’s the exact name of the show, again? I’ll do some research!

    10 million dollar Bigfoot bounty or something…..

  57. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    the dodgers are great, living in LA is great when you’re filthy rich.

    but nothing beats east-coast baseball and anyone who knows baseball will tell him that.

    did i mention how nice the view of the pacific from malibu is?

  58. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    If Bigfoot was real then Cashman would have already signed him….especially if he hit left handed

  59. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    not to mention the crowds, and traffic.

  60. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    “i like girardi alot, but one thing about him i dont like is his inflexibility in lineups and positions. he doesnt seem to like platoons.”

    What platoons have you wanted him to employ? For most of his tenure the Yankees have had 10 sure-thing starters. Often most of them have been All-Star caliber players, not guys you platoon. Last year he had some pretty terrible platoon options without platoon splits. He explicitly said just today that he’s looking to platoon Johnson with a RH at 3B this season.

    “and i didnt like the “derek will tell me when he plays’ line at all. at this point, joe needs to tell jeter when he’s playing.”

    If you look at that quote in the context it was said, it seems like he was talking about Derek’s health. That Derek’s body will tell them when he plays and Jeter is a mature enough player to let the coach know what his body is telling him. Is he right? I don’t know. If Jeter is healthy, though, he’s probably their best SS. I think that’s all he was saying. That the job is Derek’s to lose.

  61. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Time to walk the Mops.

  62. Ys Guy January 13th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    have a nice day guys, gals!

  63. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    One thing is for sure.

    MT will either be ours or he won’t.

    ;)

  64. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    I think the Derek will tell me when he plays was more about being physically being able to play.

  65. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Tanaka’s wife, Mai Satoda, isn’t really an actress, she is an ‘idol’. ‘Idols’ in Japan are basically the equivalent of a boy band in the United States where cute girls with a modicum of singing/dancing talent are recruited by monolith talent organizations and shuffled into groups where they put out songs, photobooks, do tv appearances, and stuff. There are also photo/video only idols that don’t sing but Mai wasn’t one of those. She was part of like a C-level group under the Hello! Project called Country Musume.

    A lot of Japanese TV is filled with host shows where you have a group of celebrities on a panel and they do games or watch clips of things or have guests. Idols usually appear on those things as hosts. Tanaka loves idol groups and loves to appear on those shows.

    YES should give Mai Satoda her own variety show and have Yankees appear on it and simulcast it in the US and Japan.

  66. Hankflorida January 13th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Welles would accept being a part time player playing against left handed pitchers, but Suzuki may want to play full time in order to reach that cherished number of 3000 hits; this is the reason that I think that the the Yankees may find Suzuki another place to play to allow him to reach this goal.

  67. Yankee Dog January 13th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Several Tanaka rumors

    What happened to the Mighty M’s going after Tanaka at full speed ?

    Funny, not a peep lately.

    Same ole mediocrity apparently

  68. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    I don’t think Alex being suspended has anything to do with the fact that the Yankees can’t work out a deal for Headley. It’s more that the Yankees don’t have enough to offer to get Headley.

    In theory, they could sign Tanaka and Ubaldo or Garza and then offer the Padres something like Nova and Slade for Chase, but short of that – the Yankees don’t have any young ML ready players trade chips.

  69. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Girardi didn’t have anything to work with for about 2/3 of the year last year….the offense was literally the Astros offense most of the season. It’s amazing they won 85 games with that and with CC having a 5 era

  70. MTU January 13th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    JF-

    Sounds like a crappier version of Vanna White.

    :)

  71. pat January 13th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    LoHudYankees
    Luis Sojo added to Yankees AAA coaching staff. Joins Miley, Wynegar and Aldred; replaces Menechino who’s now hitting coach in Miami.

  72. Blojaldo January 13th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    The last think A-Rod and his lawyers want is a Federal Court hearing. Why? Because then all the evidence will be made public. What if there are building workers who will testify they saw Bosch asking where the service elevator was? I believe they have copious amounts of evidence. MLB’s investigators are ex-FBI agents. The A-Rod camp are aware of this, it’s just posturing because they know that no Federal Court will agree to hear this case.

  73. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    “I don’t think Alex being suspended has anything to do with the fact that the Yankees can’t work out a deal for Headley. It’s more that the Yankees don’t have enough to offer to get Headley.”

    I just think it’s more like they don’t match…..the padres won’t take what the Yankees will offer and the Yankees won’t offer what the padres would take

  74. chicken little January 13th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    If the Yankees really want Tanaka, then they need to make him “an offer he cannot refuse.” If the Dodgers/someone else tops “the offer he cannot refuse” or Tanaka takes less to play for the Dodgers/someone else, then so be it.
    What i fear will happen is that the Yankees make a solid offer, but not one that sets them away from the top tier of the “pack.” then when tanaka signs elsewhere, we get a lot of statements about how we made him a great offer, he never wanted to be on the yankees, we have a great pitching staff, or a typical stupid statement out of levine or cashman’s mouth.

  75. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    @TBTimes_Rays: So if A-Rod is done, last game was 9-25 vs. #Rays, last at-bat was strikeout looking by @DAVIDprice14

  76. Bret The Hitman January 13th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    If we’re going to have to wait until midseason to get a better deal for Headley possibly, it would be nice to do something more permanent at 2B.

  77. pkyankfan69 January 13th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    “I don’t think Alex being suspended has anything to do with the fact that the Yankees can’t work out a deal for Headley. It’s more that the Yankees don’t have enough to offer to get Headley.”

    I just think it’s more like they don’t match…..the padres won’t take what the Yankees will offer and the Yankees won’t offer what the padres would take
    ——–
    Of course we could add a superior offensive 3B to Headley for just short term money and Nuney + a few non-prospect prospects.

  78. Blojaldo January 13th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    chicken little January 13th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
    If the Yankees really want Tanaka, then they need to make him “an offer he cannot refuse.” If the Dodgers/someone else tops “the offer he cannot refuse” or Tanaka takes less to play for the Dodgers/someone else, then so be it.

    Every team will have the right to top the highest offer until someone says no we’re out. You match the pot or fold. Close won’t leave money on the table. When the financial process is done; Tanaka will decide.

  79. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Smaller options at 3B is the way to go.
    Once summer gets here and the trade deadline approaches, that’s when the Yankees can go after a high profile 3B, if one is available.

    As for Tanaka, it takes 2.
    Just because the Yankees want him does not necessarily mean he wants to play in NY.
    Which is why I am not getting my hopes up because like someone famous once said,
    “it takes 2 to Tango”

  80. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    I don’t think Alex being suspended has anything to do with the fact that the Yankees can’t work out a deal for Headley. It’s more that the Yankees don’t have enough to offer to get Headley

    =================================

    Yeah, I agree.

  81. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Advantage Yankees:

    Better Facilities
    Splitter mentor Hiroki Kuroda

    Close represents Kershaw-Dodger conundrum.

    Yankees will sign him, give his wife and family enough travel perks to make the transition easier, and Jeter will put him up in his house on Davis Island south of Tampa during ST. :)

  82. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Yankee Trader January 13th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
    Advantage Yankees:

    Better Facilities
    Splitter mentor Hiroki Kuroda

    Close represents Kershaw-Dodger conundrum.

    Yankees will sign him, give his wife and family enough travel perks to make the transition easier, and Jeter will put him up in his house on Davis Island south of Tampa during ST. :)
    ————————————————————————————————–

    I’m not sure giving Tanaka those “perks” is
    1)The Yankees Way
    2)Good for the team/clubhouse, etc…..

  83. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Bob Costas on ESPN Radio right now with Lupica and
    Costas is dropping some knowledge.

  84. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 13th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Living in l.a. is not all lollipops and daisies.

    Smog
    Traffic is unbearable
    Not significant form of public transport
    Plastic is in season all year
    Dodgers fans arrive in the third inning presumably because of traffic and leave in the 7th, presumably because of traffic.
    Everything is expensive….everything!

    Yeah the ocean is beautiful, if you can see it through the smog and on your off days.

  85. Howler January 13th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Costas dropping knowledge is like me following my dog with a shovel.

  86. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    I like bob but when he talks about PEDs he usually only drops sanctimony

  87. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    The last think A-Rod and his lawyers want is a Federal Court hearing. Why? Because then all the evidence will be made public.

    =======================

    I don’t think MLB wants to be subject to discovery anymore than Rodriguez does. In fact, given that Rodriguez has nothing to lose, MLB may want to be subject to discovery even less than he does.

  88. Tackelberry January 13th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    As for Tanaka, it takes 2.
    Just because the Yankees want him does not necessarily mean he wants to play in NY.
    Which is why I am not getting my hopes up because like someone famous once said,
    “it takes 2 to Tango”

    _____________________________________
    Yet everyone here will be quick to blame Cashman or Hal wvn if Tanaka of his own free will decides he would rather play on West Coast instead of here in NY

  89. JobaTipsHisCap January 13th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Forbes :

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/pr.....rodriguez/

  90. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Tackelberry January 13th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    As for Tanaka, it takes 2.
    Just because the Yankees want him does not necessarily mean he wants to play in NY.
    Which is why I am not getting my hopes up because like someone famous once said,
    “it takes 2 to Tango”

    _____________________________________
    Yet everyone here will be quick to blame Cashman or Hal wvn if Tanaka of his own free will decides he would rather play on West Coast instead of here in NY
    —————————————————————————————–
    Sad but true. The fans here who do that are uneducated and their baseball knowledge is
    nothing to write home about.
    :)

  91. Yankee Trader January 13th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Five things that could ruin the Yankees’ 2014 season

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/f.....1;mlb.html

    No Tanaka
    No Mo
    No 3rd baseman
    No youth
    No help from minor leagues

    Billy Eppler-”So, we like the complexion of our lineup, but we would like to focus on the rotation or the bullpen if we can and the opportunity presents itself.”

    Hopefully Mr. Eppler you meant to say focus on the rotation and the bullpen1

  92. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Yet everyone here will be quick to blame Cashman or Hal wvn if Tanaka of his own free will decides he would rather play on West Coast instead of here in NY

    =================================

    Nah, disagree. If the Yankees put their best foot forward and lose out simply due to geography, then I think fans will understand. If that happens, and they don’t consider pursuing a Jiminez or Garza, then maybe they won’t understand.

  93. bigdan22 January 13th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Can’t keep a good Nunie down!

    As I’ve been saying for awhile, Jeter is the SS, 3b is open and the Yanks want Roberts to be the full time 2b. “The best laid plans . . . .”

    Now to Tanaka. I’m a bit surprised the Cubs aren’t a player here. At least apparently. It seems to me before all this started Tanaka had a good idea of where he wanted to be. It seems like culture, sophistication and a “cosmopolitan” environment means a lot to him. That would rule out Chicago and Seattle. Chicago is the Midwest. And Seattle is, well, Seattle.

    If Tanaka chooses LA over NY I don’t think it will be because of money. I’ve been saying for quite awhile you have to be a bit desperate to go hard for Tanaka and the Dodgers don’t seem to be a desperate franchise right now. I’ve always felt the Kershaw negotiations are connected here but the timing isn’t really good. There’s lots of time to extend Kershaw but only about a week to sign Tanaka. I’m not sure the Dodgers can afford both.

    And as I pointed out minutes after the Horowitz decision, it’s looking more and more like Tanaka or 189. Perhaps 189 makes sense long term. But without Tanaka, hard to see this roster winning more than 85 games.

  94. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    AAA January 13th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
    Yet everyone here will be quick to blame Cashman or Hal wvn if Tanaka of his own free will decides he would rather play on West Coast instead of here in NY

    =================================

    Nah, disagree. If the Yankees put their best foot forward and lose out simply due to geography, then I think fans will understand. If that happens, and they don’t consider pursuing a Jiminez or Garza, then maybe they won’t understand.
    ———————————————————-
    LOL!!
    Now that was funny. The majority of fans will quickly blame Hal and Cashman for not
    landing Tanaka.
    There would be no understanding. Are you kidding????
    There are fans here who complained when Mo would not pitch in a game for the save, even
    though Mo pitched the previous 2 nights.
    Do you know what I mean?

  95. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Yankee Trader January 13th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
    Five things that could ruin the Yankees’ 2014 season

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/f…..1;mlb.html

    No Tanaka
    No Mo
    No 3rd baseman
    No youth
    No help from minor leagues

    Billy Eppler-”So, we like the complexion of our lineup, but we would like to focus on the rotation or the bullpen if we can and the opportunity presents itself.”

    Hopefully Mr. Eppler you meant to say focus on the rotation and the bullpen1
    ——————————————————————————————————-
    3B is not the biggest problem for the 2014 team. That situation can be rectified
    this summer via TRADE.

    A lot of teams don’t have much help from the minors.

  96. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    WTP:

    I’ll revise that to reflect ‘the thinking fan(s)” will understand.

  97. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Billy Eppler-”So, we like the complexion of our lineup, but we would like to focus on the rotation or the bullpen if we can and the opportunity presents itself.”
    —-
    Balfour and Rodney are still out there, Can the yankees? what opportunity is eppler possibly speaking of?

  98. pkyankfan69 January 13th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    As long as the Yankee offer is at the level or higher than the offer Tanaka chooses if he goes elsewhere you really can’t be unhappy with Cash and Hal… That or if some team goes really nuts and gives him like $160M+, I wouldn’t mind not going there.

  99. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    If the opportunity presents itself = if the prices lower themselves to the dumpster diving region

  100. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    that’s what I am thinking JK.

  101. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    If the opportunity presents itself = if the prices lower themselves to the dumpster diving region
    ———————–

    What 3b option that’s available right now excites you?

  102. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    “Brian Roberts and Kelly Johnson were both replacement level last year.”

    And not worse. There is not only a downside to players, yet you only presented the downside by saying replacement or worse. A player that’s expected to be replacement can exceed expectations as easily as fall short of them. It’s not a distribution that ends at replacement and only goes down from there.

    “West coast, better team, pitchers park, young staff, better organization for pitchers, willing to spend lots of money, easier division”

    This is not a real argument.

    Unless you have Tanaka saying he wants to live on the West Coast, that’s pure conjecture. The rumors mentioned two East Coast cities and one West Coast city in terms of his preferences. Doesn’t seem to be any evidence he prefers the West Coast other than geographic proximity to where he’s from.

    They’ve been a better team for one season now.

    How many SPs other than Kershaw have the Dodgers developed in the last, I don’t know, 10, 20 years? Billingsley. That’s the only one of note. And they signed Kuroda. The Yankees may not have a great track record with SPs this century, but the Dodgers is no better. They got one ace in the first round. That doesn’t make them a better org for Ps.

    What does a young staff around him matter?

    The Yankees aren’t willing to spend a lot of money?

    You think he’s going to make his decision based on easy division? How many top FAs has that ever swayed? The Dodgers have won that “easy division” twice in the last five years, while the Yankees have won the AL East 3 of the last 5.

  103. blake January 13th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    AAA,

    Given that your screen name represents where Nunez should be….what are your thoughts on him?

  104. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Billy Eppler-”So, we like the complexion of our lineup, but we would like to focus on the rotation or the bullpen if we can and the opportunity presents itself.”
    —-
    Balfour and Rodney are still out there, Can the yankees? what opportunity is eppler possibly speaking of?
    ———————–

    Balfour and Rodney don’t want to be set-up men. They want to be closers and they want to be paid closer money. The Yankees don’t want a closer, they want veterans to help in the 7th and 8th innings and to be closer insurance in case Robertson can’t do it.

    Until/unless Balfour and Rodney are willing to accept that role, they’re not going to sign with the Yankees.

  105. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    JF – Gotcha, thanks for the distinction between idol vs. actress. I’m all for giving her a variety show on YES! Anything to break up the number of hours Michael Kay will be on the network..

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 13th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    “why MLB didn’t just let him quietly go into the sunset, i have no idea.”

    Because Selig made a public promise to Congress to investigate any episodes of steroid use. Once it hit the papers, Selig was out of choices.

  107. RayVT January 13th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    I may be in the minority here, but I like the upside of Nunez at 3B, SS & even some 2B with possible OF too. He has speed, good arm and solid but not consistent glove. He makes great plays & miscues on easy ones. I think he can hit .300 & steal 20+ bases and that is pretty good asset to go with the rest of the offense. His price is right to get a chance.

  108. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    The Yankees don’t want a closer, they want veterans to help in the 7th and 8th innings and to be closer insurance in case Robertson can’t do it.

    why not, Drob can slot back to eig, the combination of either probably make em a better than Drob alone? If you are telling this is what you think of Yankee’s opinions are on this matter, then it’s highly flawed.

  109. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Given that your screen name represents where Nunez should be….what are your thoughts on him?

    ======================================

    I don’t think he’s an everyday player at this level. Doesn’t seem to do any one thing especially well besides run. Don’t mind seeing him a utility role. If the team is thinking of him as an option at 3B, that would be very disappointing.

  110. RayVT January 13th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 13th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    All true with one caveat, all must be investigated except those in Beantown! Beantown gets an exemption!

  111. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    The Yankees don’t want a closer, they want veterans to help in the 7th and 8th innings and to be closer insurance in case Robertson can’t do it.

    why not, Drob can slot back to eig, the combination of either probably make em a better than Drob alone? If you are telling this is what you think of Yankee’s opinions are on this matter, then it’s highly flawed.
    —————-

    It’s the same logic that gave Mo the chance to become the greatest closer in baseball.

    Robertson won’t be Mariano but I don’t fault the team for giving him the opportunity.

  112. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Ray:

    What has Nunez shown you that would indicate a possible .300 hitter? He’s had 3500 professional at bats now and that’s added up to a .270 hitter with poor OBP skills.

  113. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    “As I’ve been saying for awhile, Jeter is the SS, 3b is open and the Yanks want Roberts to be the full time 2b.”

    Why do you always feel the need to take credit for common knowledge? When something is what everyone expects to happen, there’s no need to toot your own horn for thinking of it. The majority of other people thought of it too. Do you think other people think they signed Roberts to be their RF or closer? Did they give him a guaranteed deal in hopes he’d clear waivers and accept an assignment to Scranton? Were they going to platoon a switch-hitting 2B who has hit better LH recently with another LH?

    “Now to Tanaka. I’m a bit surprised the Cubs aren’t a player here. At least apparently. It seems to me before all this started Tanaka had a good idea of where he wanted to be.”

    Do you follow MLB? The Cubs have said that they will not be outbid for Tanaka. They are in on him as hard as they can be. He’s just not into them, though, which makes sense as they haven’t topped 75 wins or 5th in their division in 4 years now. The future could be bright, but it’s pretty uncertain.

    “It seems like culture, sophistication and a “cosmopolitan” environment means a lot to him. That would rule out Chicago”

    Have you been to Chicago?

    It seems like good and storied baseball teams are important to him, since the rumors have named NY, Boston, and LA as the places he’d play.

  114. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    If you need more pitching help in the bullpen and the only choices left are closers and your team kind of has a closer but not really, then why wouldn’t you sign one of the other closers. Mariano moved to closer on a team that was already well positioned for him to do so, but its not like D-Rob has plenty backup in the pen behind him right now.

  115. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    RayVT

    I think you’re right – that evaluation of Nunez definitely puts you in the minority :-)

  116. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Get Balfour and keep DRob in the 8th inning….no because DRob can’t close but because 2 good relieves are better than 1

  117. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    If you need more pitching help in the bullpen and the only choices left are closers and your team kind of has a closer but not really, then why wouldn’t you sign one of the other closers. Mariano moved to closer on a team that was already well positioned for him to do so, but its not like D-Rob has plenty backup in the pen behind him right now.
    ————–

    What we’ve learned over the last few years is that you can manufacture relief help.

    A group of Claiborne, Kelly, Thornton and possibly Betances may not inspire much confidence but it also might work out fine. On the other hand signing a guy with a solid track record (Karsay, Soriano) doesn’t always work out.

  118. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    If the team were better I wouldn’t care as much about the bullpen since they can be made on the fly, but this team needs lots of help right now and it just so happens there are players left who can provide it.

  119. pat January 13th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    joe_sheehan
    [Scene: Ryan Howard's house.] “Here, Dad, have a gummy.” “Where’d you get these, son?” “Mr. Montgomery sent t” [Howard smacks bag from son]

  120. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Robertson won’t be Mariano but I don’t fault the team for giving him the opportunity.
    —-
    what I am saying Drob isn’t going to cheap like MO who took over for wettland in his 2nd year and had Nelson behind him. it’s not a comparable situation. the main factor this come down to is yankee don’t want spend 7 mil for 2 years. for a team that lives in now every year that doesn’t make a lot sense to me.

  121. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Get Balfour and keep DRob in the 8th inning….no because DRob can’t close but because 2 good relieves are better than 1
    —————

    I think they’ll be fine with the guys they have. I wouldn’t mind adding another guy, but don’t think that guy needs to be Balfour (and certainly not Rodney)

  122. RayVT January 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    He has had quite a few setbacks along the way. I think his defense will improve to the point where he will concentrate more on hitting. I think he will learn some patience at the plate which will improve his BA to about .300. A lot of hitters don’t come into their own until they learn that 1 thing they need as hitters. (Some never do though.)

    I like his swing. I like his speed. I like the way he doesn’t try to overpower the ball. He only lacks strike zone discipline. I think he will get a strong dose of that & make that next jump.

  123. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    “why not, Drob can slot back to eig, the combination of either probably make em a better than Drob alone? If you are telling this is what you think of Yankee’s opinions are on this matter, then it’s highly flawed.”

    Because DRob has been a top 5 RP in MLB the past three seasons and most teams want their best RP to be their closer. I don’t think that there’s any available RP who would close over DRob.

    Also potentially because DRob is a FA after next season and might look for greener pastures if the Yankees won’t let him close.

  124. RayVT January 13th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    LOL! At least I’m right about something in 2014! Now I can coast the rest of the year!

  125. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    . I don’t think that there’s any available RP who would close over DRob.
    ——
    this isn’t about Drob closing, it’s about Balfour and Drob makes this wobbly pen better.

  126. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    DRob was better than Balfour in pretty much every category last year but that’s not the point….the point is that Robertson + Balfour is better than Robertson alone…..if you have them both then you can bump kelly and Betances etc down the line into lesser roles and not only are you better at the back end…..you’re deeper too.

  127. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Mariano moved to closer on a team that was already well positioned for him to do so, but its not like D-Rob has plenty backup in the pen behind him right now

    ===================================

    If memory serves, the guys the Yankees were using to get to Rivera when he first started closing were guys like Stanton, Lloyd, Nelson and R. Mendoza. For my money, none of those guys were particularly exceptional. Certainly not guys you’d want closing for you. It ended up working, if this blog were around in 1997 when Rivera was taking over, I don’t think people would have said “No sweat, we have Lloyd, Stanton and Nelson in the pen. We’re good”.

  128. RayVT January 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I also believe that Tanaka is the tipping point for the $189M course. If Tanaka signs with the Yanks then other dominoes will follow & if not then cheap will prevail & the savings will be re-invested in pockets & possibly 2015 FA class.

  129. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I think they’ll be fine with the guys they have.
    —-
    this where we disagree Chip, I am not comfortable with this pen.

  130. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    “If you need more pitching help in the bullpen and the only choices left are closers and your team kind of has a closer but not really, then why wouldn’t you sign one of the other closers.”

    I don’t want Fernando Rodney to be the Yankees’ closer, personally. Outside of Balfour, I’m not sure who is available. Balfour just failed a physical and is a fly ball P who has big home-road splits (1.2 points higher on a career that’s been spent in Tampa and Oakland and especially pronounced in Oakland). In NY he might not be much better than, say, Shawn Kelley.

    I certainly wouldn’t mind them acquiring a veteran RP, but I’m not clamoring with Balfour or Rodney just because they are the two biggest names out there.

  131. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Also potentially because DRob is a FA after next season and might look for greener pastures if the Yankees won’t let him close.
    ——
    there is no doubt he would seek more money Nelson, then Yanks have a decision to make, they can pay Drob closer money or let him walk and find another EIG guy or trade balfour.

  132. Warning Track Power January 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 13th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    “why MLB didn’t just let him quietly go into the sunset, i have no idea.”

    Because Selig made a public promise to Congress to investigate any episodes of steroid use. Once it hit the papers, Selig was out of choices.
    ——————————————————————————————–
    Selig is an idiot. Plain and simple!

    I wish there was a brave member of the media who would take the time to expose
    Bud for the fraud he has become and the hypocrite he currently is.

  133. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Shawn Kelley and Matt Thornton can’t be Nelson and Lloyd? Warren or Phelps can’t be Mendoza?

    What about the potential for a guy like Betances to contribute? I’m not certain this is a bleak as people are suggesting.

  134. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    my choice is balfour.

  135. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    If the team were better I wouldn’t care as much about the bullpen since they can be made on the fly, but this team needs lots of help right now and it just so happens there are players left who can provide it.
    —————————

    Right but it’s not enough to say “Grant Balfour would make sense for the Yankees” and poof Grant Balfour is a Yankee. He has to want to come here and, whether it’s the job description or something else, that might not be the case.

    You’re right when you say there are gaps on this team, but using your resources to fix a bullpen when recent history dictates that bullpens can often fix themselves seems to me like doing something for the sake of doing something.

  136. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    You’re right when you say there are gaps on this team, but using your resources to fix a bullpen when recent history dictates that bullpens can often fix themselves seems to me like doing something for the sake of doing something.

    At this point I’d rather have an extra veteran arm in the pen. Even if he flops you still have the arms you’d have counted on had we not signed him and if he is good then thats a nice bonus. Tanaka is the real big need though.

  137. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    “DRob was better than Balfour in pretty much every category last year but that’s not the point….the point is that Robertson + Balfour is better than Robertson alone”

    Yeah, I saw your point the first time you made it and I’m pretty confident that everyone else did too.

    First, I think DRob would close and Balfour would set-up. I wouldn’t do something that’s worse for the team just to make the great Grant Balfour happy. Especially when it might cost you DRob altogether after 2014.

    I also think that you’re overrating Balfour. Outside of Oakland he’s been downright mediocre the last three seasons. Going from a park that’s good for fly ball Ps to one that’s terrible for RH fly ball Ps could be a rude awakening. His road ERAs the past three years have been 3.4, 4.4, and 3.3. Getting that half the time and then a YS ERA the other half (which would probably be better than expected due to umpires known preference for the home team… really there are studies, I’m not just saying that) and you might not have a real upgrade. RPs are pretty easy to acquire in-season.

  138. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    AAA, it’s not bleak. it’s about Yanks having the dough, signing a balfour gives you more assurance.

  139. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    One thing to keep an eye on is if the union dismisses Horwitz ….because they can just as MLB dismissed the previous guy because they didn’t like his ruling on the Braun case.

    If the union doesn’t dismiss him then that says a lot about just how upset they were with the decision

  140. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    I also think that you’re overrating Balfour.

    ==============================

    Agree with this.

  141. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Balfour wants to close….he’s probbaly not signing to set up

  142. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I think they’ll be fine with the guys they have.
    —-
    this where we disagree Chip, I am not comfortable with this pen.
    ——————–

    I understand the sentiment but consider the two teams that played in the last World Series:

    Uehara was 4th on the depth chart at closer behind Hanrahan, Bailey and Aceves

    Trevor Rosenthal was behind Mujica and Boggs on the St. Louis depth chart.

    I’m just saying that bullpens tend to sort themselves out – you don’t need to spend big (Balfour) to do it.

  143. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    I’m not overrating Balfour because I never said he was Mo Rivera or even as good as DRob….I said he’s better than what they have and he is.

    In a perfect world Balfour would set up for Robertson….but sometimes you have to make concessions and realize that the duo in whatever order is better than only having one

  144. macintosh January 13th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    “Because Selig made a public promise to Congress to investigate any episodes of steroid use. Once it hit the papers, Selig was out of choices.”

    i thought you said that MLB allowed the red sox to use PEDs to win a championship last fall.

    if what you say were true, why wouldn’t selig have outed a few of those evil red sox “users” and impressed congress with exposing them and humiliating them and tainting their world series trophy?

    now that would have gotten congress’s attention.

  145. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    One thing to keep an eye on is if the union dismisses Horwitz ….because they can just as MLB dismissed the previous guy because they didn’t like his ruling on the Braun case.
    ———————

    Union won’t dismiss him. They said that they may not have liked the decision but they were fine with the process. Plus, I don’t think their rank & file have any problem with Alex getting hammered.

  146. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    “Union won’t dismiss him. They said that they may not have liked the decision but they were fine with the process. Plus, I don’t think their rank & file have any problem with Alex getting hammered.”

    Neither do I….that’s why unless they actually do something then their statements yesterday were purely PR

  147. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    You’re right when you say there are gaps on this team, but using your resources to fix a bullpen when recent history dictates that bullpens can often fix themselves seems to me like doing something for the sake of doing something.

    At this point I’d rather have an extra veteran arm in the pen. Even if he flops you still have the arms you’d have counted on had we not signed him and if he is good then thats a nice bonus. Tanaka is the real big need though.
    ————–

    Yes, Tanaka is the goal. I think we fans just need to be patient and let them do their business.

  148. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    If they don’t want to pay Balfour then Id try to maybe get hanranhan on the cheap as a flyer

  149. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    “there is no doubt he would seek more money Nelson, then Yanks have a decision to make, they can pay Drob closer money or let him walk and find another EIG guy or trade balfour.”

    I’m not talking about money. I’m talking about the opportunity to close. If the Yankees have Balfour signed for two years and aren’t willing to let DRob close in year 1, he might prefer to go somewhere that he can reach his full potential as a closer. Set-up men rarely make All-Star teams and I doubt one has ever made the HOF. Maybe Robertson is so selfless that he will play a subservient role to worse players, but I wouldn’t count on it. Nor would it likely help the Yankees reputation around the league to block him in with a worse player.

    By “letting him walk” you are making your team worse in the long-run to fix a minor short-term issue.

    Some pessimists are looking at Kelley and saying “he’s not elite!!!” But that’s not the point. It’s Thornton (who is pretty good) + Kelley + a dozen other guys who are candidates + the flexibility to make moves later. I don’t know if the RH set-up guy is Kelley, Mark Montgomery, Jose Ramirez, Coello, Phelps, or a mid-season trade acquisition and I really don’t care. It’s a relatively marginal role that is relatively easy to fill.

    I wouldn’t be upset if the Yankees sign Balfour or even Rodney, I just think it will be to set-up a better RP: DRob.

  150. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    @DanBarbarisi: Down at federal court, ARod’s atty’s wanted to file redacted version of their complaint; judge said no, complaint must be filed unredacted.

  151. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    They said that they may not have liked the decision but they were fine with the process.

    ======================================

    By “process”, I assume they mean the arbitration process itself rather than MLB deplorable behavior in putting their case together. As Rodriguez did not make an effort to defend himself, it’s hard to argue that the result of the arbitration process was especially out of line.

  152. Ted Nelson January 13th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    “I’m not overrating Balfour because I never said he was Mo Rivera or even as good as DRob….I said he’s better than what they have and he is.”

    This is a strawman. I have to go, but I explained very clearly why I thought you are overrating Balfour. It has nothing to do with Mo and DRob and everything to do with the improvement over what else they have in-house. He’s a RH fly ball P who has struggled outside the friendly confines of Tampa and Oakland who you’d be moving into maybe the worst park in MLB for RH fly ball Ps.

    “In a perfect world Balfour would set up for Robertson….but sometimes you have to make concessions and realize that the duo in whatever order is better than only having one”

    In the process you’re likely hurting your team in the long-run.

    Balfour doesn’t want to set-up now, but if he has to choose between closing for a non-contender and setting-up for a contender for similar money, at his age, we’ll see what he decides to do.

  153. pat January 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    MLBPA has not approved expanded replay and home plate collision ban for 2014. My story: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....les-011114

    Will the MLBPA drag their feet with this?

  154. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    If Balfour cost a lot then sure….pass….but his orioles deal was pretty affordable and he figures to come even cheaper than that now

  155. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Does anybody else think Balfour isn’t better than Kelly? At least a more predictable option…..somebody with experience at the back end of games. Not sure how saying Balfour is better than what they have is operating him

  156. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    @DanBarbarisi: Down at federal court, ARod’s atty’s wanted to file redacted version of their complaint; judge said no, complaint must be filed unredacted.
    ———————–

    And this is the biggest reason Alex should just accept his punishment and move on. He wants to have his cake and eat it too – he is still trying to claim innocence of all the allegations against him. Currently the evidence against him is kept confidential. If he goes through with a court hearing it is public record.

    Whether MLB conducted itself badly or not, it’s going to be hard to proclaim innocence in the face of the evidence that they have – regardless of how they collected it.

    That, btw, is why Alex pulled that stunt conveniently right before he was supposed to testify at his arbitration.

  157. Tackelberry January 13th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    People saying Rodney and Balfour won’t sign with us if they aren’t guarranteed the closer’s job. Where is the market for these 2 right now? Teams are not exactly lining up to try and sign either one. They may not have a choice but to accept an offer that doesn’t guarantee them a closer’s job

  158. Cashmoney January 13th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    OT, just saw a trailer for HBO’s A Game of Thrones, looks pretty good to me.

  159. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Not a shocker that Alex would want the redacted version……his camp keeps stamping it’s feet calling injustice but all the do is grandstand and table pound…..at some point you have to actually have a case

  160. Chip January 13th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Not a shocker that Alex would want the redacted version……his camp keeps stamping it’s feet calling injustice but all the do is grandstand and table pound…..at some point you have to actually have a case
    ——————–

    Still waiting for Joe Tacopina to sign the letter Matt Lauer gave him in June on the Today Show saying they would be happy to waive confidentiality so that Tacopina can present the evidence he has about MLB’s dealings if he’s okay with them releasing the evidence they have on Alex.

  161. pat January 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Wonder what they wanted redacted. Names? Events?

  162. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Tacopina is a good lawyer I’m sure but every time I hear him talk all I think is…man you guys have nothing

  163. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    pat January 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    MLBPA has not approved expanded replay and home plate collision ban for 2014. My story: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s…..les-011114 …

    Will the MLBPA drag their feet with this?

    —————

    Interesting.

  164. blake January 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    pat says:
    January 13, 2014 at 1:58 pm
    Wonder what they wanted redacted. Names? Events?

    Probably as much as possible

  165. bigdan22 January 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    @DanBarbarisi: Down at federal court, ARod’s atty’s wanted to file redacted version of their complaint; judge said no, complaint must be filed unredacted.

    _____

    As I’ve been saying for awhile, another example of a tweet that needs an editor. First of all, judges don’t say “no” to the filing of a complaint. Judges aren’t involved at all in that process. That’s all done by the Clerk’s Office. Not the judges clerk, the clerk of the court which is in a completely different part of the building.

    I’m not sure what a “redacted” filing is, but it Arod’s papers got kicked by the Clerk, which is not uncommon at all, it is a bit of a problem. Clerks require you to file papers in perfect form. That means the font, staples, number of pages etc. If that happened, then the messenger (the guy you hire to file for you) may have to return the papers to the law offices to be fixed. Bottom line here is, if the papers were actually kicked, Arod may lose a day and have to file tomorrow. Good law firms really shouldn’t let this happen though.

    If Arod’s papers do get filed today, and if he’s seeking a TRO, then the complaint gets placed in the wheel-a somewhat random way of selecting a judge who can read the papers today and may even hear the TRO application today. But the later in the day it gets, the less likely that will happen. Judges like to go home for the evening.

  166. pkyankfan69 January 13th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    OT, just saw a trailer for HBO’s A Game of Thrones, looks pretty good to me.
    ———
    Oh yeah, saw that also, looks awesome as usual.

    I missed the True Detective premiere last night, it’s also getting great reviews, probably get to watching it tonight.

  167. blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    @HardballTalk: Source: A-Rod blew his chance to take a deal for a 50 game suspension http://t.co/uVi4DNe2jR

  168. blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Sounds like Arod made a big mistake

  169. Joe from Long Island January 13th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Good afternoon.

    Re: ARod’s case in court

    If the court will not allow a redacted version of complaint to be filed (not exactly a surprise), will Tacopina file a complaint at all? Does Alex really want all that material in the public domain? And, should the unlikely happen, and the case eventually wind it’s way to trial (I personally don’t think that’s going to happen, but, with lawyers and courts you never know), does Alex really, really want to testify in court? Where he won’t have the option of slamming his fist on a table, and storming out of the courtroom?

    It will be interesting to see what Tacopina actually does now. I wouldn’t be surprised if, given this decision by the court, coupled witht the low liklihood of ultimate success, that Tacopina withdraws the complaint entirely.

    At that point, it might be real theater, seeing what ARod then claims. The whole US judicial system conspired against him? He now has Tacopina file an appeal to The Hague? Or, does he move to Moscow so he can room with Edward Snowden?

  170. AAA January 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    @HardballTalk: Source: A-Rod blew his chance to take a deal for a 50 game suspension http://t.co/uVi4DNe2jR

    ==============================

    Not sure how 50 games would represent a deal, given that it’s the JDA punishment for 1st time offenders, but that certainly was a miscalculation in hindsight.

  171. bigdan22 January 13th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    HardballTalk: Source: A-Rod blew his chance to take a deal for a 50 game suspension http://t.co/uVi4DNe2jR

    ——–

    More bad reporting. If you read the article closely, it doesn’t even say there was an offer outstanding for 50 games. Sure, and there’s a chance I’ll win the Lotto this week. Bad, bad.

  172. austinmac January 13th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    The team, in my mind, clearly needs a solid end of the game reliever. Even if we assume Robertson can close successfully, who does it when he can’t? Who pitches the 60-70 times needed in the eighth inning with the game on the line?

    If building a bullpen was so easy, so many teams wouldn’t have bad ones.

    Kelley is as iffy as one can be with no evidence of consistency. Thornton’s velocity and effectiveness are on a continued decline. Clairborne’s ERA in the second half was over 6.00. Betances is a hope, but until he shows he can throw strikes, he is only a hope.

    Good teams work on their pens. They matter, now more than ever. What % of overall innings come from the pen? I would guess at least one-third. Can’t throw away that many innings on the theory it will somehow work out.

  173. Tar January 13th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    “Sounds like Arod made a big mistake”

    Blake

    Did you actually read that link? People are so desperate to be part of this story they are printing the lamest crap out there.

  174. Tar January 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Oops bigsdan beat me to it.

  175. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Sounds like Arod made a big mistake

    —————–

    This is a classic case of non-reporting. There’s nothing in there or in Onley’s piece that suggests the suspension could have been for 50 games, only that they could have negotiated something ‘possibly as low as 50 games.’

  176. austinmac January 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Jerkface,

    If you are out there, as finder of all information, what % of innings can be expected to come from the pen compared to the starters?

    Thanks.

  177. bigdan22 January 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    To make sense of the filing problem, you need to know what exactly was redacted. I don’t think a lawyer would redact a paragraph in a complaint. Now maybe one of the exhibits was redacted, like a bank record that shows transactions of customers not involved in the matter. I probably would redact that. But if the clerk says no, no it is.

  178. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Ah, I see bigdan and Tar pointed out the same thing. I’m really more interested in baseball than Arod, have been from the start. In a few years, Alex won’t be a part of the game. If a scandal breaks without him, it’ll be fun to see how they handle it.

  179. Tar January 13th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    “Wonder what they wanted redacted. Names? Events”

    Could be something as simple as personal information no? Acct numbers and so on.

  180. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    JF makes a good point, if the team were better the pen would be less of an issue. But at this point, every bit of run prevention you can buy should be purchased if it’s available.

  181. blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    “This is a classic case of non-reporting. There’s nothing in there or in Onley’s piece that suggests the suspension could have been for 50 games, only that they could have negotiated something ‘possibly as low as 50 games.’”

    I didnt read it carefully…..you’re right. It does suggest he could have avoided all of this though and gotten something less than 162 games though

  182. blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Orioles, #Twins, #Yankees recently requested medical reports on free-agent RHP Ervin Santana. Yankees, however…

  183. Jerkface January 13th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    If you are out there, as finder of all information, what % of innings can be expected to come from the pen compared to the starters?

    Thanks.

    You’ll need roughly 1458 innings in a season (162 x 9 which doesnt take into account 8 inning road losses or extra innings). If you expect an average of 6 innings per start for all your starters then you have 972 innings from the rotation and 486 from your pen.

  184. comet January 13th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Hey Joe Good too see you here again!

    You too Shame!

  185. pat January 13th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Jordan Siev still saying there will be litigation filed this afternoon on behalf of Rodriguez.

  186. bigdan22 January 13th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    I’m actually much more tired of bad journalism than Arod. It just doesn’t stop. The 60 Minutes report last night wasn’t terrible, but it ain’t winning any Peabodys either. I guess if 60 Minutes can start a week without an apology then it’s a good show.

  187. blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: …were only doing diligence. Santana, a flyball pitcher, poor fit for #Yankees. #Twins, too, unlikely for Santana and other FA starters…

  188. Tar January 13th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Yeah very nice to see Joe post. Hope all is well with you and family.

  189. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    It does suggest he could have avoided all of this though and gotten something less than 162 games though

    —————-

    It suggests the possibility. Which… fine, sure, I’ll buy that I guess. But it’s pretty much inconsequential since as far as MLBPA knew no reasonable offer was presented. MLBPA indicated that no offer at or below 100 games was presented, so that’s the information I’m comfortable with. Information from other sources about what might have been based on conjecture doesn’t seem nearly as relevant.

  190. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    How’ve you been comet??

  191. blake January 13th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    I don’t necessarily want the Yankees to go after Erving Santana….but his fly ball tendencies seem to more about his last than his present. His FB rate was virtually the same as Kuroda’s in 2013 at 32% and it’s been under 40% for 3 years now

  192. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Also, I like that the story suggests there could have possibly been a suspension for as low as 50 games based on what seems to be very little investigative information. They didn’t have Bosch, so what did they have that they were going to maybe levy a 50 game suspension lol..?

    It’s non-reporting.

  193. Shame Spencer January 13th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    :arrow:

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