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Roberts signing official (plus LoHud Yankees chat tomorrow)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 14, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have officially announced their Brian Roberts signing, adding him to the roster in place of Alex Rodriguez who’s now on the restricted list. Despite the obvious injury concern, Joe Girardi has said he expects Roberts to play a lot next season.

“I think he can help us a lot,” Girardi said. “I think it’s something, I’ll sit down and have a conversation and try to get a feel what he thinks the optimal level of games that he’s going to play, but we’d like to play him pretty often.”

With a couple of player moves now official, and the Rodriguez decision announced, let’s do a chat tomorrow. We’ll chat right here on the blog at noon on Wednesday. Hope you can stop by for a while. See you then!

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232 Responses to “Roberts signing official (plus LoHud Yankees chat tomorrow)”

  1. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Over/Under on Roberts appears in 80 games.

    Under.

  2. Captain Clutch January 14th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    LOL
    ———

    @sportswatch

    Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, “but some of them are God-like in Boston right now.”

  3. joeman January 14th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    Over/Under on Roberts appears in 80 games.

    Under.
    —————————
    under

  4. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Arod will not be missed.

    Year / Age / OPS

    2007 31 1.067
    2008 32 .965
    2009 33 .933
    2010 34 .847
    2011 35 .823
    2012 36 .783
    2013 37 .771
    2014 38 SUSPENDED
    2015 39 ???

    We’re looking at a mid 700?s OPS at best and liability on defense.

    They need to sign Chase Headley after the season.

  5. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    My final point is that it seems like most of the contention is still about the length of 162 games…..my feeling is that 1) they justified it and if that justification isn’t good enough a federal court will hear the case and 2) as a Yankee can rejoice because it means the team has a lot more money available to spend if they choose to do so

    —-

    Right and wrong Blake. Right on (1) and wrong on (2). Because if Horowitz had given Arod 50 or even 100 games which was more defensible legally, we wouldn’t still be talking about 189 this late in the offseason.

  6. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    So this is what happened… Tina and Amy hosted the Golden Globes last year and for some reason Taylor Swift gets invited to this award show even though she is a singer. At the time, there were some rumors Taylor was dating Michael J. Fox’s son and he told her to stay away from him. Tina and Amy repeated Michael J.’s wishes and jokingly said Taylor should keep away from his son.

    Totally innocuous, no big.

    Well, Taylor didn’t think so!!! She said later in an interview that there was a ‘special place in hell for women that don’t help other women,’ which is exactly what you’d expect a 20 something that thinks she’s a feminist to say, because it clearly makes no logical sense.

    Tina and Amy did not comment on her reaction though they were asked several times… but at this year’s award show, Amy won an award for best comedic tv performance and Tina said, ‘I just want to say congratulations, again, to my friend Amy Poehler. I love you, and there’s a special place in hell for you.’

    She sat on that for almost a year. A YEAR. Because that’s how you get people. You bide your time.. and then you strike.

  7. JobaTipsHisCap January 14th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, “but some of them are God-like in Boston right now.”

    LOL, that’s why I want arod write a book.

  8. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Captain Clutch January 14th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    LOL
    ———

    @sportswatch

    Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, “but some of them are God-like in Boston right now.”

    ———————-

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    We’ll see if people’s feelings on Arod change if he ends up being a rat and outting Red Sox players lol.

  9. joeman January 14th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    looks like KJ is going to be the 5th OFer

  10. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    So this is what happened… Tina and Amy hosted the Golden Globes last year and for some reason Taylor Swift gets invited to this award show even though she is a singer. At the time, there were some rumors Taylor was dating Michael J. Fox’s son and he told her to stay away from him. Tina and Amy repeated Michael J.’s wishes and jokingly said Taylor should keep away from his son.

    Totally innocuous, no big.

    Well, Taylor didn’t think so!!! She said later in an interview that there was a ‘special place in hell for women that don’t help other women,’ which is exactly what you’d expect a 20 something that thinks she’s a feminist to say, because it clearly makes no logical sense.

    Tina and Amy did not comment on her reaction though they were asked several times… but at this year’s award show, Amy won an award for best comedic tv performance and Tina said, ‘I just want to say congratulations, again, to my friend Amy Poehler. I love you, and there’s a special place in hell for you.’

    She sat on that for almost a year. A YEAR. Because that’s how you get people. You bide your time.. and then you strike.
    ————————————————
    Thanks-I laughed out loud. HONEST!!!

  11. Ys Guy January 14th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    holy crap did tacopina really just throw big papi under the bus?

    wow!

    thats not gonna help him with his union “brothers”!

  12. joeman January 14th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    when not playing the infield

  13. MTU January 14th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Joeman-

    Perhaps you will keep your eyes on the prize ?

    ;)

  14. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
    Captain Clutch January 14th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    LOL
    ———

    @sportswatch

    Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, “but some of them are God-like in Boston right now.”

    ———————-

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    We’ll see if people’s feelings on Arod change if he ends up being a rat and outting Red Sox players lol.
    —————————————————————————————
    Of course the opinions would change. Those same “fans” would host a parade for
    ARod down the Canyon of Heroes.
    Am I right or am I right?

  15. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    “Right and wrong Blake. Right on (1) and wrong on (2). Because if Horowitz had given Arod 50 or even 100 games which was more defensible legally”

    Legally, Horowitz decision is completely defensible. Per the Supreme Court in Garvey, the arbitrator is the ultimate authority on interpretation of the contract. Attacking Horowitz’ interpretation of it (and I admit, it does seem strained to me at least in part) is going nowhere.

  16. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    Over/Under on Roberts appears in 80 games.

    Under.
    ————————————————————————
    Over. I predict he will play in about 105 games

  17. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Don’t worry guys, when Papi gets hit with his 50 game suspension it’ll barely make the back pages.

  18. joeman January 14th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    MTU January 14th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    Joeman-

    Perhaps you will keep your eyes on the prize ?

    ;)
    ————————————
    lot of stuff going on and Tanaka will drag this out…I mean he can make up his mind already

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    “Joe Tacopina told @ESPN_Colin he did not want to name other players accused of PED use, “but some of them are God-like in Boston right now”

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So here we go folks. Let’s see how many Arod will throw under the bus before he’s through.

    But since I understand that you have to sometimes deal with scum to get to the truth, it doesn’t bother me where the information comes from.

    Let’s weed out the cheaters.

  20. Ys Guy January 14th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    this is gonna be huge.

  21. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    His many gummies can but Papi fit in his mouth

  22. joeman January 14th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    Over/Under on Roberts appears in 80 games.

    Under.
    ————————————————————————
    Over. I predict he will play in about 105 games
    ————————————-
    as you know he hasn’t done that in 4 years…

  23. Ys Guy January 14th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    maybe he’s pregnant…again…

  24. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Is this the “we need to sign Steven Dre” thread!’? :)

  25. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Horowitz’s interpretation of the rules.. but he essentially rewrote the framework of the JDA. If a guy test positive for more than one substance, they can be suspended for at least 100 games. If a guy test positive for 4 substances, I wonder if they’ll levy a 200 game suspension on them. Based on this ruling it’s perfectly within their rights. Think they’ll exercise them on a guy like Cervelli?

  26. Barry January 14th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Alex Rodriguez and inter baseball relations have become a bore. Play ball, stop being club house lawyers, and let’s get on with baseball and fandom. And, if he had hit 800 that level of cheating is not the same as Ty Cobb coming in with his cleats high and being an overall p….Record keeping matters because history matters. When history is rewritten by dishonor it invalidates all that has gone before. And everyone isn’t cheating on this jackass’s level. Good riddance. Whatever Bud Selig is, or David Ortiz or anyone else, has nothing to do with this manipulative and disgusting personality disorder. Pass.

  27. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    “Legally, Horowitz decision is completely defensible. Per the Supreme Court in Garvey, the arbitrator is the ultimate authority on interpretation of the contract. Attacking Horowitz’ interpretation of it (and I admit, it does seem strained to me at least in part) is going nowhere.

    ——

    Since Garvey is not on point, fortunately this won’t ultimately be your call. Or mine for that matter.

  28. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Big Papi says he will investigate on whether he likes funny bears and he back to is never

  29. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    OT
    Anyone watch the new HBO ‘true detective’ series? I was impressed.

  30. austinmac January 14th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Baseball cancelled on lohud. AROD appeal team now in control.

    I have been a board certified trial lawyer for over 30 years. For the most part these arguments are pointless. The issue on appeal will essentially be whether the hearing was fundamentally flawed. Good luck with that legal experts.

  31. Blojaldo January 14th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    LOL! Let the Boston chapter begin with this blast from the past.

    David Ortiz “looks dirty.”
    - Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy
    May 2013

  32. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Is it wrong that I hope he’s not talking about Ortiz but instead talking about some of their pitchers lol….??

    Get all the Red Sox players!! Is it okay to root for Alex on this front? I don’t want to be lumped with ‘apologists’…

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    “AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    We’ll see if people’s feelings on Arod change if he ends up being a rat and outting Red Sox players lol.”

    My feelings toward him will never change. Scum is scum, and I abhor scum. Will I be happy to see every cheat in baseball outed? Absolutely. It didn’t bother me that Bosch gave the information up, it won’t bother me to see Arod give it up.

    And of course, he’ll still have all the respect and support of the players who supposedly love him so much, right?

    :roll:

    Arod is the baseball world’s worst nightmare.

    :roll:

  34. pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Wave

    “One thing that should be noted that was in Horowitz opinion was that all sides (including ARod)…”

    ” Contrary to the request of Rodriguez, the fact and duration of suspensions received by other players involved in the Biogenesis matter…….

    It sounds like it is Horowitz’s opinion is that he doesn’t have to use precedence as guidleline. The word contrary to me indicates Rodriguez wasn’t in agreement. Are you reading that differently?

  35. ltl January 14th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Shame:

    Given all of Arod’s lawsuits and book/film rights, he may end up far more wealthy than whatever the balance of his Yankee contract may be. I agree with you that the entire process seems vindictive and disproportionate–seems like good grounds for finding one judge to agree, but even better for a tell-all book.

    How many days till pitchers and catchers report?

  36. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Big Papi says he will investigate on whether he likes funny bears and he back to is never

    —————-

    Can you juice press gummie bears…??? Someone call Tex!

  37. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Arod might take the whole Red Sox team down with him!

  38. MTU January 14th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    “lot of stuff going on and Tanaka will drag this out…I mean he can make up his mind already”

    He has until the 24th which isn’t very far away.

    I’d expect the decision sooner to leave time to tie up any loose ends.

    Think how you feel if we get him ?

    Think how you’ll feel if we don’t ?

    It won’t long. Just the blink of an eye.

    Keep hoping and keep your eyes on the prize.

    If not, we move on quickly to the next candidate.

    ;)

  39. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
    I don’t have a problem with Horowitz’s interpretation of the rules.. but he essentially rewrote the framework of the JDA. If a guy test positive for more than one substance, they can be suspended for at least 100 games. If a guy test positive for 4 substances, I wonder if they’ll levy a 200 game suspension on them. Based on this ruling it’s perfectly within their rights. Think they’ll exercise them on a guy like Cervelli?

    ——–

    The logic is a little crazy isn’t it? What it basically does is it gives the Commissioner, especially in non-analytically positives, the authority to decide whatever he wants, and then justify it using multiple drug calculations. I think this is goes right to the heart of the JDA and essentially invalidates it. That’s what Arod’s lawyers should argue.

  40. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Arod looks petty and small.

  41. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    “Since Garvey is not on point, ”

    Why is Garvey not on point?

  42. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Tex needs Arods leftover gummies for sure…..if Arod was a true Yankee he would give Tex his gummies then take this thing to federal court and bring down the Red Sox! Name names alex

  43. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    How many days till pitchers and catchers report?

    ——————

    31!!!!!

    And ltl, I agree. After reading a lot about Jordan Belfort, I think Alex ends up just fine. People are talking about his legal fees but I outlined what should be his plan of action last night: work on your memoirs, finish out your contract with MLB in any way possible (settlement, playing, hitting the permanent DL, whatever), and sell the rights of your story to Warner Brothers or Sony or one of the other huge studios (probably not Disney….). He’ll make more money on speaking engagements than we’ll make in years.

  44. MTU January 14th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    See you all later.

    Time for a hike.

    :)

  45. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    ” What it basically does is it gives the Commissioner, especially in non-analytically positives, the authority to decide whatever he wants, and then justify it using multiple drug calculations. I think this is goes right to the heart of the JDA and essentially invalidates it. That’s what Arod’s lawyers should argue.”

    They will go nowhere with that argument. The arbitrator reconciled three different provisions of the agreement. He is the authority. If the parties don’t like it they can fix it in the next CBA.

  46. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    “I’d like to think that maybe we won’t have to be dealing with any pariahs because they will have learned that cheats never win in the end.”

    i thought you said Big Papi and his red sox cheated their way to a world series championship.

    the red sox did “win in the end”.

    …that trophy aint going back.

  47. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    So, in case anyone was confused by my stance, based on my last post I certainly have no sympathy for Alex.

  48. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    “So, in case anyone was confused by my stance, based on my last post I certainly have no sympathy for Alex.”

    Oh come on Shame, you dig him, admit it!

  49. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    If big Papi gets brought to justice it will all be worth it

  50. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Alex is just fine NOW.

  51. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    ” What it basically does is it gives the Commissioner, especially in non-analytically positives, the authority to decide whatever he wants, and then justify it using multiple drug calculations. I think this is goes right to the heart of the JDA and essentially invalidates it. That’s what Arod’s lawyers should argue.”

    They will go nowhere with that argument. The arbitrator reconciled three different provisions of the agreement. He is the authority. If the parties don’t like it they can fix it in the next CBA.

    ——–

    While not being as pithy as you (lol), that could very well be how a federal judge rules. Holding that Horowitz’s reasoning, while strained, is not arbitrary or capricious and this is really a matter for collective bargaining.

  52. pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Why the union was included in the lawsuit….

    djsziff
    @craigcalcaterra @HardballTalk Here’s some language from Yeftich v. Navistar (CA7 2013) at http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/.....153913:S:0 …: pic.twitter.com/Iym9xLkpgV

  53. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    If big Papi gets brought to justice it will all be worth it

    ——————

    The immaturity in me agrees lol… but if Arod is ever out of the game, best believe the name Joe Torre will be the first out of his mouth.

  54. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Ortiz has been talking about getting an extension to his contract, and Boston has seemed receptive. Proving once again that cheating pays and is rewarded by the clubs.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    “I have been a board certified trial lawyer for over 30 years. For the most part these arguments are pointless. The issue on appeal will essentially be whether the hearing was fundamentally flawed. Good luck with that legal experts.”

    I’m with you all the way.

    *********

    And how long have I shouted about Ortiz and Beantown being protected users, and how long have I been parodied about it, with some posters here (I think Franco was one) “good grief”ing me about my “ridiculous conspiracy theory”.

    I feel more and more vindicated each day – not that I need that to know when I’m right. But it does feel good to have those who have really had a field day tap dancing on my head put in their places.

  56. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    “While not being as pithy as you (lol), that could very well be how a federal judge rules. Holding that Horowitz’s reasoning, while strained, is not arbitrary or capricious and this is really a matter for collective bargaining.”

    So it turns out Garvey is on point…

  57. JobaTipsHisCap January 14th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    since arod has been juiced for some time, how could his numbers still suck?
    i mean, look at what ortiz did. lol

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    grow your own. sign your own.
    ///

    Yeah, wrong team.

    At least, wrong GM, wrong President, wrong Owner, wrong Manager…

    Yeah.

    Wrong team.

  59. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Alex is just fine NOW.

    ——————

    Lol, yeah I know but you wouldn’t think so based on the way people keep saying he’s getting hosed for legal fees. Like.. pretty sure Alex can afford it. Don’t think it’s killing him or anything.

  60. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    If big Papi gets brought to justice it will all be worth it
    ——-
    worth what?

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    And as an addendum:

    Let me say how genuinely excited I am by the announcement that Brian Roberts is in the fold.

    Stealth move.

    Robinson who?

    Well done, Yankees.

  62. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Ortiz has been talking about getting an extension to his contract, and Boston has seemed receptive. Proving once again that cheating pays and is rewarded by the clubs.

    —————

    I hope Boston extends him and then he gets caught lol. But we’re all being overly giddy right now because they’ll never punish Ortiz. If he does get punished it’ll be for 50 games and he’ll say he was recovering from an injury and he’ll make a joke and everyone will laugh and say ‘oh big papi, you’re so charismatic have a nice 50 game vacation and get ready for the playoffs.’

  63. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    “And how long have I shouted about Ortiz and Beantown being protected users,”

    it’s not your fault.

    you do live on a grassy knoll from the way you describe it.

  64. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
    “Since Garvey is not on point, ”

    Why is Garvey not on point?

    ——

    The issue I raised is “manifest disregard of the law.” Garvey does not give arbitrators that kind of authority.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    “Holding that Horowitz’s reasoning…is not arbitrary or capricious and this is really a matter for collective bargaining.”

    Money.

    “I thought you said Big Papi and his red sox cheated their way to a world series championship.

    the red sox did “win in the end”.

    …that trophy aint going back.”

    Your definition of ultimate triumph seems to be the world series trophy. Ask Arod if that’s his ultimate definition of triumph as he swings in the wind. His end is coming well after a world series win.

    So will the same happen to the Sux cheaters.

    Obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes off the goal.

  66. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    @AndrewMarchand

    GM: Closer to 80-win Yankees need Tanaka http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....tanaka-now

  67. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    You were on target with the arbitration, trisha, but your Beantown theories are a little nutty.

  68. pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Joelsherman1
    Commish Office and union in agreement that A-Rod counts $3,155,737.70 toward luxury tax for #Yankees

  69. BD (Boston Dave) January 14th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    In some ways, not trading Cano at the deadline last year, and the reasons for not trading him when they had a take it or leave it offer in mind lead me to believe the Yanks will spend poorly to marginally increase their chances of making the playoffs in 2014…

    … and not think about what’s best for the team longer term.

    That makes me hope even more that they do land Tanaka.

  70. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    it’s entirely possible that ortiz has used PEDS.

    you saying that MLB being behind it is when it gets into grassy knoll territory .

  71. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    “The issue I raised is “manifest disregard of the law.” Garvey does not give arbitrators that kind of authority.”

    Garvey is on point. The issue you raised is an attempt to get around Garvey. It won’t fly.

  72. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Guys, I don’t wanna be self important but how did no one else but WTP care about Tina Fey…?

    This is like that time I posted about Ric Flair getting death threats and NO ONE CARED.

    Animals.

  73. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I hope Boston extends him and then he gets caught lol. But we’re all being overly giddy right now because they’ll never punish Ortiz. If he does get punished it’ll be for 50 games and he’ll say he was recovering from an injury and he’ll make a joke and everyone will laugh and say ‘oh big papi, you’re so charismatic have a nice 50 game vacation and get ready for the playoffs.’
    ========
    He could get caught for being a child molester and people there would probably say”oh, it’s just Big Pappi being Big Pappi.”Of course, if he signed with Yankees, he would immediately get hit with a year suspension.

  74. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    JAP – For others it is the opposite, but for me I’d rather talk Arod/MLB than the team. Until the Tanaka domino falls, there’s not much to sort through.

    I think if they add Tanaka and Diaz it could turn this into a much more capable club. I really, really want Diaz. A young INFer with tools? Yes please.

  75. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    If it makes you feel better, no one seemed to catch my reference to Jet Li being Japanese and used NY Mets to study Japanese culture (he is Chinese).

    This is a tough crowd sometimes.

  76. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    I did love your Oprah reference yesterday though…..

  77. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Jet Li is not Japanese?

  78. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    joeman January 14th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
    Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    Over/Under on Roberts appears in 80 games.

    Under.
    ————————————————————————
    Over. I predict he will play in about 105 games
    ————————————-
    as you know he hasn’t done that in 4 years…
    ———————————————————————-
    Thanks for the info. I still believe this is the year Roberts will play about 105 games.
    Not 105 starts
    105 games played.

    It’s possible(if he has a supply of Gummy Bears in his locker)

  79. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    “The issue I raised is “manifest disregard of the law.” Garvey does not give arbitrators that kind of authority.”

    Garvey is on point. The issue you raised is an attempt to get around Garvey. It won’t fly.

    ———

    Your reasoning is outcome determinative, which is fallacious. If Horowitz’s disregarded the law, then clearly Garvey is inapposite and has no authority. If he didn’t, then of course Garvey applies. Since the proposition offered is Horowitz disregarded the law, Garvey is not on point. Get it?

  80. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    If it makes you feel better, no one seemed to catch my reference to Jet Li being Japanese and used NY Mets to study Japanese culture (he is Chinese).

    ————

    Ha!!

    My one, true Chinese love is IP Man.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    “Guys, I don’t wanna be self important but how did no one else but WTP care about Tina Fey…?

    This is like that time I posted about Ric Flair getting death threats and NO ONE CARED.

    Animals”

    Shame – :lol:

    ***********

    Wave – my beantown theories are supported by articles in the Boston Globe! You never made fun of my theories, but I think you’ll eventually see that they too were correct.

    *************

    $898 later, it’s time for me to return my rental car and pick up my car that now has new calipers, rotors, brakes, shoes, socks, who knows what else.

    I always said I’d know when the time came that I would have to cry uncle and look around for another car, and this is it. The car’s a 1997 with 100,000 miles. It doesn’t owe me anything. But I can’t keep sinking money into it.

    Later.

    :(

  82. Yankee Trader January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Did anyone post this yet?

    “Meet the Pretty Pop Star who could steer Tanaka to LA”

    http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/m.....ka-to-l-a/

  83. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    “Ask Arod if that’s his ultimate definition of triumph as he swings in the wind.”

    what alex will be swinging , like clemens, pettitte, bonds,mcguire, etc is a golf club at a country club that will cost more than you earn in a year.

    if their money was taken away like their reputations then that would be a real triumph ( assuming they are all guilty of PED use).

    as it is ,seriously, jeter and mariano will still greet clemens with a hug,and clemens is probably teeing off right now in 75 degrees sunshine somewhere sporting a tan and a big smile.

    i think you vastly overstate the bad life these “cheaters have.

  84. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    it’s entirely possible that ortiz has used PEDS.

    you saying that MLB being behind it is when it gets into grassy knoll territory .
    ——————————————————————————————————

    I suspect Ortiz. Then again I am not alone.
    I’m sure there are hundreds of players who have used PED’s & have not yet been caught because the MLB drug detection system is flawed.
    Plain and simple!

  85. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    fallacious

    ————

    Legal words all sound dirty to me.

  86. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
    Jet Li is not Japanese?

    DON’T EVER TELL HIM YOU THINK HE IS!

  87. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Yankee Trader January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Did anyone post this yet?

    “Meet the Pretty Pop Star who could steer Tanaka to LA”

    http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/m…..ka-to-l-a/

    —————-

    Thanks for posting, YT, hadn’t seen this yet. It was reported earlier she was an actress but JF set the record straight. I kind of love her. I hope she loves NY.

  88. Mike Ri January 14th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    not sure if this was posted —

    per rotoworld

    FOX Sports’ Jon Morosi reports that the Yankees have “made a trade inquiry to the Padres about their infield depth,” with Logan Forsythe being the “most realistic target.”
    Morosi notes that the Yankees’ farm system is “not strong enough to acquire Chase Headley.” Forsythe would make sense, though, as he could platoon with Kelly Johnson at third base and also provide an option at second. The 27-year-old batted just .214/.281/.332 over 75 games last season while battling plantar fasciitis, but he hit a much better .273/.343/.390 the year prior.

  89. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    AndrewMarchand

    GM: Closer to 80-win Yankees need Tanaka http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo…..tanaka-now

    ——-

    Totally agree with this. Like many on this site have said, this team, as presently constructed is closer to 80 than 90 games. Tanaka immediately makes them a legit contender.

  90. RhapsodyInBlue January 14th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    None of this would be an issue If Bosch had just gone to Columbia.

    Like Big P*ssy’s last boat ride with Tony.

  91. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
    fallacious

    ————

    Legal words all sound dirty to me.
    —-
    I may have to hold you in contempt.

  92. pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    SportsCenter
    Crazy stat of the day: Peyton Manning is only starting QB left that was NOT drafted by a baseball team.

  93. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Shame, speaking IP Man, the actor who played him is a better martial dude than Jet Li. Donnie Yeung I believe.

  94. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    My one, true Chinese love is IP Man.
    —-
    Who is that? Any relation to One-Hung Low?

  95. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Meet the Pretty Pop Star who could steer Tanaka to LA”

    http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/m…..ka-to-l-a/

    —–

    Japanese culture is a mystery to me. As a New Yorker who’s lived in LA a long time and have many friends in the entertainment business, I’m not sure her “skills” translate well in either city. She needs to say in Asia :)

  96. pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    BreakingNews
    Judge denies preliminary approval of $765 million NFL concussions settlement; fears sum may not be enough – @AP_NFL http://bit.ly/1cjzJzg

  97. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    YT, thanks for the link, the only thing i really got out of that is Tanaka’s wife is older than him, way to go MT!

  98. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    Cash – Yeah that’s the actor’s name. Those movies are rad.

  99. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Instead of dumpster diving for a bunch of players that either stink or will be hurt…..they could just sign Steven Drew and actually make the team better

  100. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    BreakingNews
    Judge denies preliminary approval of $765 million NFL concussions settlement; fears sum may not be enough – @AP_NFL http://bit.ly/1cjzJzg

    ————

    WOW.

    ….wow.

  101. blake January 14th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Is it possible that Arod just wants to take Ortiz down out of spite?

  102. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
    BreakingNews
    Judge denies preliminary approval of $765 million NFL concussions settlement; fears sum may not be enough – @AP_NFL http://bit.ly/1cjzJzg

    ____________

    This is crazy. Do you how rare this is? Judges really aren’t supposed to do this. Goodell’s office must be freaking.

    It’s like the finale of “The Verdict.”

  103. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    “Totally agree with this. Like many on this site have said, this team, as presently constructed is closer to 80 than 90 games. Tanaka immediately makes them a legit contender.”

    double totally agree.

    any nitwit can see the get out of jail free card in signing tanaka for hal to play.

    if he doesn’t play it, he gets exposed as a total baseball lightweight .

    he may surprise and play it.

    we’ll see.

  104. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
    Shame, speaking IP Man, the actor who played him is a better martial dude than Jet Li. Donnie Yeung I believe.
    ===
    You mean there really is an IP Man?!?! Color me embarrassed!

  105. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Looking forward to reading the prepared statement from Ortiz, once again denying
    any PED use and that he is working hard to explain why his name would be mentioned.
    HAHAHA

  106. 86w183 January 14th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    I don’t think A-rod cares who he hurts along the way.

    But If Papi got stuff from Bosch let’s hear it.

  107. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Thanks for posting the NYPost article. The first video of Tanaka’s wife was hilarious. I especially liked all the hidden camera shots of Japanese businessmen walking down street while totally drunk! One guy was so drunk he was hugging a telephone pole. Yeah, I’d hate to move from there too.

  108. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I think then are about an 85 win team….they are incomplete right now

  109. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I don’t know why else Tacopina would go on national radio and suggest Papi is using PEDs ….

  110. pat January 14th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    hangingsliders
    I explain the danger for players going forward RT @fangraphs: Rodriguez Arbitration Decision A Clean Sweep For MLB http://bit.ly/1gEXBBP

  111. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    BreakingNews
    Judge denies preliminary approval of $765 million NFL concussions settlement; fears sum may not be enough – @AP_NFL http://bit.ly/1cjzJzg

    ——

    This is like a thousand times bigger than Arod.

    I’ve said for many years that professional football in poorly disguised barbarism and should be illegal (although I love it). The long term injury stuff was a huge Achilles heel lurking for the injury. When this settlement was reached, I thought the NFL dodged a big one. I guess they didn’t.

    Be that as it may, organized football is changing all around the country. The spillover from this controversy may make the game a relic, at least on a amateur level, in 10-20 years.

  112. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
    pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
    BreakingNews
    Judge denies preliminary approval of $765 million NFL concussions settlement; fears sum may not be enough – @AP_NFL http://bit.ly/1cjzJzg

    ____________

    This is crazy. Do you how rare this is? Judges really aren’t supposed to do this. Goodell’s office must be freaking.

    It’s like the finale of “The Verdict.”
    —-
    More judges should have been doing this on some of the Wall Street bank settlements. Good for him/her.

  113. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
    I think then are about an 85 win team….they are incomplete right now
    ——————————————————————————————

    Good thing the reg. season does not begin today.
    Good thing the opening day roster does not have to remain the same through
    game 162.

    I really could care less what “the experts” are projecting. So many factors involved and one
    of them is “luck”.

    Roster is incomplete and that’s fine. I think some players are going to step up big in ST
    and continue that high level of play through the season.

  114. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    @Jim_Duquette: “@JeffJoyce19: @MikeFerrinSXM @Jim_Duquette good thing they took this picture last month http://t.co/eYOGr9ArGV” who wants to b his friend?

  115. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    The NFL bubble is gonna burst sooner or later…..they just have such a seedy underbelly

  116. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
    bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
    pat January 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
    BreakingNews
    Judge denies preliminary approval of $765 million NFL concussions settlement; fears sum may not be enough – @AP_NFL http://bit.ly/1cjzJzg

    ____________

    This is crazy. Do you how rare this is? Judges really aren’t supposed to do this. Goodell’s office must be freaking.

    It’s like the finale of “The Verdict.”
    —-
    More judges should have been doing this on some of the Wall Street bank settlements. Good for him/her.

    ——–

    They actually did on some Wall Street settlements, especially in a few notable SEC cases. I used to work for the SEC as an enforcement attorney and we regarded judges as rubber stamps. But that is definitely changing.

  117. Ys Guy January 14th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    arod is a complete narcisist. what happens to other people, even if he likes them, doesnt count.

    this has been the case all the way back to his jeter comments.

    it really is arods world and the rest of us are there to spectate it.

  118. pat January 14th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    I don’t know why else Tacopina would go on national radio and suggest Papi is using PEDs ….

    Go listen to the context. They were talking about Alex admitting he used in 2009 and other players chose not to do the same when they were confronted “like someone who is God-like now in Boston”

  119. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
    The NFL bubble is gonna burst sooner or later…..they just have such a seedy underbelly

    __________

    They really do. They get away with so much because they are so tied into the networks and the economy generally. But lawyers are their enemy. And insurance companies. It’s getting harder and harder for schools to carry football. It’s getting harder and harder for amateur organizations to contain the risk. Football is changing and is going to change more.

  120. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    You know, if they played the game without helmets, it would be a million times safer. None of these real serious injuries happen in rugby.

  121. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    “Go listen to the context. They were talking about Alex admitting he used in 2009 and other players chose not to do the same when they were confronted “like someone who is God-like now in Boston””

    Darn….I was hoping Alex would bring Papi to justice

  122. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    “Your reasoning is outcome determinative, which is fallacious. If Horowitz’s disregarded the law, then clearly Garvey is inapposite and has no authority. If he didn’t, then of course Garvey applies. Since the proposition offered is Horowitz disregarded the law, Garvey is not on point. Get it?”

    Horowitz didn’t disregard “the law”. What “law” are you talking about? He interpreted a series of contract provisions. I don’t “get it”, as you say, because you are simply making an argument to dismiss Garvey.

    You are making that argument, of course, because Garvey is on point and you are simply twisting and turning to emphasize the aspect of the case you want to emphasize.

  123. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    trisha-

    If you are still around, I wasn’t making fun of you. Merely teasing you, which is different.

  124. Cashmoney January 14th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    I wonder if the Rod would have taken out Bosch as he alleged to be the case.

  125. pat January 14th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Sources: Michael Young has interest from four teams, decent offers, but is strongly considering retirement.

  126. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    “I don’t know why else Tacopina would go on national radio and suggest Papi is using PEDs ….”

    could be he’s maybe trying to make trisha like him.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    JAP – For others it is the opposite, but for me I’d rather talk Arod/MLB than the team. Until the Tanaka domino falls, there’s not much to sort through.

    I think if they add Tanaka and Diaz it could turn this into a much more capable club. I really, really want Diaz. A young INFer with tools? Yes please.
    ///

    Sure, they should sign him. I think Avelino is at least a few years away, assuming he sticks at SS, and Culver, we’ll have to see if the strict RHABs amount to his becoming an option at all.

    We sure don’t have an immediate, obvious replacement for Jeter. Might as well stock up :)

  128. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    “Horowitz didn’t disregard “the law”. What “law” are you talking about? He interpreted a series of contract provisions. I don’t “get it”, as you say, because you are simply making an argument to dismiss Garvey.

    You are making that argument, of course, because Garvey is on point and you are simply twisting and turning to emphasize the aspect of the case you want to emphasize”

    _________

    A contract is the law. The JDA is the law. The collective bargaining agreement is the law. Failing to respect those provisions and the policy underlying them can be construed as disregarding the law.

    We can disagree and that’s fine because it’s really not up to us, as I said before. But if this helps you, let me describe it this way: If the federal judges dismisses Arod’s case and issues an opinion, he may use Garvey as an authority (or not, he can dismiss Arod’s case a dozen different ways). If the judge instead agrees with Arod and vacates the arbitrator’s decision, he may cite Garvey in his decision but he will say, like I have been saying, that it’s not on point.

  129. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    pat January 14th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
    Ken_Rosenthal
    Sources: Michael Young has interest from four teams, decent offers, but is strongly considering retirement.
    ———————————————-
    Too bad. I really think he would be a nice fit on the Yankees.
    A little 3B. Some 1B and a nice bat off the bench. I prefer Young over Reynolds.

  130. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    ” If the judge instead agrees with Arod and vacates the arbitrator’s decision, he may cite Garvey in his decision but he will say, like I have been saying, that it’s not on point.”

    If that were to happen, MLB would appeal and in all likelihood the 2nd Circuit would reverse.

    With respect to the contract being “the law”, I disagree, but in any event in Garvey the Supreme Court stated that the arbitrator is the final authority on what the parties agreed to. That is why attacking Horowitz’ decision on that ground will come to nothing. You and I can disagree or argue about Horowitz’ reasoning, but it isn’t irrational.

    They will need to attack the decision on other grounds, which is what they appear to be doing. I don’t think it will come to much, but I suppose only time will tell.

  131. pat January 14th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    mcuban
    Watching the 60mins piece on ARod makes me appreciate David Stern all the more.David didnt want to be King.He wanted the NBA to thrive

  132. Kelvin January 14th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Cashmoney,

    I’m sure they would have.. if let’s say he was in a different country, such as Colombia.

  133. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    I would just like to give a quick thank you to all the legal experts on this blog for sharing your insights. I find them fascinating and learn from them.

  134. pat January 14th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    “If that were to happen, MLB would appeal and in all likelihood the 2nd Circuit would reverse.”

    But it would be fun to watch the media scurry and heads explode until they did.

  135. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    How long will it be before Alex fires his current lawyers and sues them for not winning his case?

  136. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
    ” If the judge instead agrees with Arod and vacates the arbitrator’s decision, he may cite Garvey in his decision but he will say, like I have been saying, that it’s not on point.”

    “If that were to happen, MLB would appeal and in all likelihood the 2nd Circuit would reverse.

    With respect to the contract being “the law”, I disagree, but in any event in Garvey the Supreme Court stated that the arbitrator is the final authority on what the parties agreed to. That is why attacking Horowitz’ decision on that ground will come to nothing. You and I can disagree or argue about Horowitz’ reasoning, but it isn’t irrational.

    They will need to attack the decision on other grounds, which is what they appear to be doing. I don’t think it will come to much, but I suppose only time will tell.”

    __________

    Garvey is not Brown v Board of Education. It didn’t change the law one degree as it applies to Arod. No federal judge needs Garvey to dismiss Arod’s action. It’s well-settled law that something really bad has to happen for a judge to usurp an arbitrator’s decision. Garvey is virtually irrelevant on the district court level.

    Would this case have a shot to be reversed on appeal if the district court finds that Horowitz showed a manifest disregard of the law? Sure. But that would take about a year and half and Arod would playing for the Yanks all that time and isn’t that the reason why we are even discussing a labor arbitration case?

  137. AAA January 14th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    “I don’t know why else Tacopina would go on national radio and suggest Papi is using PEDs ….”

    =====================================

    If you listen carefully, he was clearly referring to the 2003 list and drawing a comparison between Rodriguez admitting his use and Ortiz denying his.

  138. 4TrainNorth January 14th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    I love these official-signing news items.

  139. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    AAA January 14th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
    “I don’t know why else Tacopina would go on national radio and suggest Papi is using PEDs ….”

    =====================================

    If you listen carefully, he was clearly referring to the 2003 list and drawing a comparison between Rodriguez admitting his use and Ortiz denying his.
    ——————————————————————————————-
    So far I’ve read more than 1 account of what happened here on this blog.
    Can we get the true story so the rest of us can comment?

  140. blake January 14th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    If you listen carefully, he was clearly referring to the 2003 list and drawing a comparison between Rodriguez admitting his use and Ortiz denying his.”

    I didn’t hear it….I was just hoping

  141. Tackelberry January 14th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Those pining for Stephen Drew? Why? He’s not that good. Certainly not worth losing another draft pick over, for what he wants.

  142. Wave Your Hat January 14th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    ” It’s well-settled law that something really bad has to happen for a judge to usurp an arbitrator’s decision. Garvey is virtually irrelevant on the district court level. ”

    You keep saying that. But Garvey was a Supreme Court decision in the sports arbitration field, it was a case in which the player challenged the results of an arbitration between MLB and the MLBPA, and it said (i) the arbitrator is the ultimate finder of fact and (ii) the arbitrator is the ultimate interpreter of the contract. So the Garvey case is far from irrelevant.

    Now, perhaps what you mean to say is, for ARod to win the district judge must be convinced that Garvey is not applicable for some reason. I am not arguing with that. I am sure ARod’s lawyers will in fact argue that. I don’t think they will succeed, perhaps you do. But if all you are saying is that it’s possible they will succeed, then we have spilled a lot of pixels to little result.

    All that said, I am off to the gym.

  143. Joe from Long Island January 14th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    either way, tacopina (and, indirectly arod, since lawyer is directed by his client) is pointing a finger at ortiz. not sure why, unless alex feels that if he’s going down, so is all of baseball, friend or no friend.

    it’s a very egotistical way of viewing things, but, what is alex if not egotistical.

  144. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Tackelberry says:
    January 14, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    Those pining for Stephen Drew? Why? He’s not that good. Certainly not worth losing another draft pick over, for what he wants.

    It’s just me….and when healthy he is pretty good….significantly better than what they have and also getting him hurts Boston. I mean it depends on the money but if it’s a 2 year deal it’s a no brainer to me

  145. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    it’s a very egotistical way of viewing things

    ________________

    Yeah, kind of like saying, Arod’s cheating is not so terrible because “everyone else does it”, an argument put forth by his biggest cheerleaders on the board.

    His fans are hypocrites just like he is.

  146. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Tackelberry January 14th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    Those pining for Stephen Drew? Why? He’s not that good. Certainly not worth losing another draft pick over, for what he wants.
    —————————————————
    I agree. What is the fascination with S. Drew???
    I would rather have Nunez on the team or what’s his name from several years ago,
    Ramiro Pena :)

  147. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    BigDan I get the feeling you’re rooting for Tacopina to exploit some loophole and get Arod on the field. If true, sucks that you’re stuck with that horse.

  148. bigdan22 January 14th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    “Now, perhaps what you mean to say is, for ARod to win the district judge must be convinced that Garvey is not applicable for some reason. I am not arguing with that. I am sure ARod’s lawyers will in fact argue that. I don’t think they will succeed, perhaps you do. But if all you are saying is that it’s possible they will succeed, then we have spilled a lot of pixels to little result.

    All that said, I am off to the gym.”

    ________

    This is what I mean to say:

    “Garvey is not Brown v Board of Education. It didn’t change the law one degree as it applies to Arod. No federal judge needs Garvey to dismiss Arod’s action. It’s well-settled law that something really bad has to happen for a judge to usurp an arbitrator’s decision. Garvey is virtually irrelevant on the district court level.

    Would this case have a shot to be reversed on appeal if the district court finds that Horowitz showed a manifest disregard of the law? Sure. But that would take about a year and half and Arod would playing for the Yanks all that time and isn’t that the reason why we are even discussing a labor arbitration case”

    ——–

    Garvey will have no impact on how this judge decides this case if he finds for Arod and holds that Horowitz disregarded the law by ignoring the protection afforded by Section 7.L.. Garvey does not give an arbitrator the right to ignore the law.

    Have a good work out.

  149. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    “I agree. What is the fascination with S. Drew???
    I would rather have Nunez on the team or what’s his name from several years ago,”

    Drew was worth like over 4 more wins than Nunez last year…..Nunez is worth negative wins

  150. Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    Aren’t you people tired of talking about Alex Rodriguez yet?

    “So many factors involved and one of them is “luck”.”

    Absolutely. People trying to predict an exact win number for the Yankees right now are engaged in a useless exercise. Their accuracy is going to be laughable over any meaningful sample. There is a margin of error around any projected win total that is considerable. The same people calling the Yankees an X win team today are most likely the people who were calling the Blue Jays the AL East champs and the Red Sox the division loser last off-season. If they didn’t learn from that debacle, there’s probably no hope.

    The notion that a team with weaknesses can’t contend is also ridiculous. Some teams are top heavy with big holes and contend, the recent Tigers teams come to mind. A team like the Rays has good depth but also enters just about every season with a couple of big holes duct taped together only to win 90 games. The Cards had big holes at SS and in the BP last season, and the Red Sox entire pitching staff looked like a hole entering the season. The Giants have won WS with holes all over their roster and as many old players as the Yankees. I would argue that only Yankees fans who came of age in the 2000′s are of the mindset that you need a proven All-Star at every roster spot to contend. The Yankees had that and contended, but that doesn’t mean it’s a prerequisite for contending.

  151. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    If drew stayed healthy you’re talking about 15 homers with a .750-.800 OPS and elite defense at either SS or 3B…..I don’t get why folks don’t want that? Especially if it’s less than a 3 year deal…..

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    I must have really loved “connect the dots” when I was a kid because I think I play it better than most! Now tell me how dumb these guys are.

    I was listening to EEI and they of course are incensed that Arod fingered Ortiz. Lou Merloni said that there is no question that Arod is now lone man on an island and his only friend is his attorney because he’s sends him a check every two weeks. Okay, that part checks.

    Then he said, “David Ortiz was the only player publicly supporting Alex Rodriguez and Arod’s attorney goes on talk radio and throws Ortiz under the bus. Unbelievable.”

    OF COURSE HE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER SUPPORTING HIM PUBLICLY, IDIOT! IT’S BECAUSE THEY SHARE THE SAME DIRTY LITTLE SECRET!!!

  153. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    I need a gummy….the Arod talk is wearing on me

  154. Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    “His fans are hypocrites just like he is.”

    When are you going to stop viscously attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% that A-Rod is satan? I see very few comments on here actually defending A-Rod, but you somehow misconstrue any comment that doesn’t outright condemn him to eternal damnation as somehow praising him.

  155. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Where big Papi doesn’t play the field….he could just pound gummies like the whole game

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    OT – NEED ADVICE.

    I don’t know if there is any right or wrong answer to this, but I guess I’d like to know how people would handle it. I am definitely in the market for a new car. I want to pay cash because I hate debt. Now it isn’t a Gracie Slick deal where I can walk in looking like I’m down and out and whip out $100,000 for a Rolls Royce. (I think that’s what she paid way back when.) I will have to juggle accounts to make it work. But I can do it. My best friend, who can squeeze blood out of a nickel, thinks I’m crazy and that I should find a 0% deal and pay it on time. I so hate the thought of debt it isn’t funny. I want it over with.

    I will admit that finances has always been my weak suit and making scads of money has never titillated me. So I don’t necessarily pay attention to what might make good sense in terms of financial decision making.

    With the circumstances being what I have laid out, would you pay cash or would you buy it on time? Just curious.

    Thanks/.

  157. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Ted, take another shot of hyberbole and call me in the morning.

  158. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Trisha, don’t spend 100K on a Rolls Royce. Give it to me.

  159. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    gummie bears are getting a lot of legal publicity this year.

    betcha their sales are up

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astISOttCQ0

  160. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Filing suit against the union pretty much ends his career in MLB I would guess…..it was slim he’d play again anyway…..he’s pretty much scorched the earth now though

  161. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
    “His fans are hypocrites just like he is.”

    When are you going to stop viscously attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% that A-Rod is satan? I see very few comments on here actually defending A-Rod, but you somehow misconstrue any comment that doesn’t outright condemn him to eternal damnation as somehow praising him.

    Agreed. Bret, you are coming off as a jerk. No one here was saying it was okay because everyone else was doing it. They were saying that it is hypocritical of baseball to suspend arod and close their eyes to others via a poor testing program, and then claim they have a great program. They also said ARod’s suspension was out of line with other suspensions. And made other arguments as well, including questinoing whether banning PEDs should be done or not. But I haven’t read IIRC anyone saying ARod should get off because others do it.

  162. Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    “If drew stayed healthy you’re talking about 15 homers with a .750-.800 OPS and elite defense at either SS or 3B…..I don’t get why folks don’t want that? Especially if it’s less than a 3 year deal…..”

    I don’t think anyone doesn’t want what you laid your there. What you laid out, though, is a deck that’s stacked in your favor. Some of the comments above seem irrationally pessimistic about Drew, but I think that a reasonable fan would only take issue with your exaggeration of expectations.

    First, Drew has had a real issue with staying healthy in recent years. You have to discount your expectations for the likelihood of injury and/or total ineffectiveness, which has been the case two of the past three seasons. I doubt that Scott Boras is. Having to pay him as if he’s an average injury risk when he’s been unable to stay on the field may be the reason he’s still not signed. With Ellsbury the injuries were externally caused, but I’ll bet you Boras is trying for the same thing with Drew.

    Then, there’s overstating the expectations. He’s topped a .750 OPS 3 times in 7 seasons. He’s hit 15 HRs twice. He’s never actually played 3B in MLB, so I don’t know if his defense is elite there or not. You’re basically laying out close to a best case scenario as the most likely scenario. I know you like to try to intuit trends into data, but it’s just not there with Drew. You’re looking at separate data points years apart and trying to create a trend. In reality he’s been inconsistent even when healthy.

    Finally, I don’t think any of us know what Boras is asking for. I haven’t seen an real rumors personally. I don’t see Boras asking for less than three years, though, for a middle-IF who is over 30 and is coming off his first healthy, productive season in a couple of years. He could turn into a pumpkin at any time.

  163. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    Jerkface once said every team doctor should be allowed to administer steroids for performance.

  164. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
    Jerkface once said every team doctor should be allowed to administer steroids for performance.

    Which is a very different argument than ARod should get off because everyone is doing it.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 14th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    “Trisha, don’t spend 100K on a Rolls Royce. Give it to me.”

    :lol:

    I was just using an example of someone who probably didn’t break a sweat paying cash for a car. That won’t be me, but it also won’t leave me destitute.

    And I am thinking of something economical. Don’t know what because I really haven’t started looking. I’m going to have to really do a lot of research on this one.

  166. AAA January 14th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    I was listening to EEI and they of course are incensed that Arod fingered Ortiz. Lou Merloni said that there is no question that Arod is now lone man on an island and his only friend is his attorney because he’s sends him a check every two weeks. Okay, that part checks.

    Then he said, “David Ortiz was the only player publicly supporting Alex Rodriguez and Arod’s attorney goes on talk radio and throws Ortiz under the bus. Unbelievable.”

    =======================================

    To be fair, you should point out that Merloni also pointed out that Ortiz was named on that 2003 list (which was clearly what Tacopina was referencing), that Ortiz denied use and said he’d be looking into it, that he never did look into it, and that “he has to live with that”. Lot of people give Ortiz a pass, but Merloni didn’t in this case.

    As for the car, I’d probably pay cash if possible. Some merit to a small loan with a small payment that could serve to boost your credit score a little if you’re into that kind of thing, but cash is easier.

  167. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Didn’t Boras overplay his hand once before with a Boston infielder? Turned out the guy finally got less than half what original team offered him, if that.

  168. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    The last 4 seasons in which Drew has played 120+ games he has had an OPs of .748 or higher…..I said “if” healthy.

    His injury history is a concern and he isn’t a perfect player…..but that’s why he’s not getting a huge contract. You don’t have to be perfect to upgrade the team. I don know the money it would take….but if it’s lets say 2/30…..I think that would be a great deal for the yanks

  169. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
    Jerkface once said every team doctor should be allowed to administer steroids for performance.

    Which is a very different argument than ARod should get off because everyone is doing it.

    ____________

    Nope. It’s basically saying that it’s not a bad example for children and that everyone does it and therefore Alex Rodriguez should not be hammered.

  170. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Trisha–

    I would buy a good used car with cash if possible. Would try to spend around $2,500. Cars aren’t really great investments for the most part.

  171. Giuseppe Franco January 14th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    “His fans are hypocrites just like he is.”

    When are you going to stop viscously attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% that A-Rod is satan? I see very few comments on here actually defending A-Rod, but you somehow misconstrue any comment that doesn’t outright condemn him to eternal damnation as somehow praising him.

    Don’t agree with Ted all that often but this comment is dead on.

  172. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Jerkface’s hypocritical fantasy also implies family doctors should be able to prescribe steroids to young athletes, like high school, maybe even middle school since they’re so safe and respectable and such.

  173. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    “With the circumstances being what I have laid out, would you pay cash or would you buy it on time? Just curious.”

    i’m not sure i saw the downside of you driving your car with no brakes :)

    … but here’s what i’d do.

    i’d pick out the honda fit or civic model i liked best. take my 775 fico score and get a $200/month three year lease . pay nothing down.

    then at the end of three years, you have options. turn it back in , buy it for cash, or finance it for $200 a month( adding in 4 more years of full warranty).

    you will have no repair bills for seven years.
    if you don’t know what bad brakes sound like, a car under warranty is probably a very good thing for you.

  174. pat January 14th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Bud going on a retirement tour. Yippee!

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....retirement

  175. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    In steps G. Franco who once insisted Alex Rodriguez was going to get into the HOF after the first steroid admission.

  176. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Bret The Hitman says:
    January 14, 2014 at 2:35 pm
    In steps G. Franco who once insisted Alex Rodriguez was going to get into the HOF after the first steroid admission.

    I think he eventually would have if he had stayed clean…..he still might one day….a LONG time from now

  177. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    PittsburghYankeefan still insists, after all this, Arod’s going to the HOF.

    It’s hypocritical.

  178. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Which is a very different argument than ARod should get off because everyone is doing it.
    ____________

    Nope. It’s basically saying that it’s not a bad example for children and that everyone does it and therefore Alex Rodriguez should not be hammered.
    =====
    I read what he said when he said it, and heard his arguments. I totally disagree with your interpretation. But to be sure, why not ask him directly if that was his message rather than assume it was?

    He never said anything about bad example for children, nor that ARod should be forgiven because everyone else did it.

    He DID say, and I also commented at the time, that PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words), and that they should be researched to see if they are safe under a doctor’s care. If so, they should be allowed.

    That statement has nothing to do with ARod getting off at all.

  179. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    he still might one day….a LONG time from now

    __________

    He’s more likely to fall off the ballot like Palmeiro.

  180. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    I don’t think you’ve got the definition of hypocrite down properly…

  181. AAA January 14th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Jerkface’s hypocritical fantasy also implies family doctors should be able to prescribe steroids to young athletes, like high school, maybe even middle school since they’re so safe and respectable and such.

    ==========================================

    Don’t know whether he believes this or not, but if he does, where’s the hypocrisy?

  182. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Oh so steroids is a “medical” breakthrough?

    You’re real unbiased there Bojo.

    Total hypocrisy.

  183. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
    PittsburghYankeefan still insists, after all this, Arod’s going to the HOF.

    It’s hypocritical.

    He might well be correct. We have no idea what voters will do in 5-10 years…after this has all died down. Someone else (I think JF) correctly pointed out that same-sex marriage was seemingly universally hated until the last few years. Attitudes change with time. Who are you to say they won’t ever change?

  184. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    ” He’s more likely to fall off the ballot like Palmeiro.”

    Unless things change a lot between now and wen he’s eligible I think he will probbaly not get the 5%…..he’s more disliked by the writers than even bonds.

    But time heals wounds and who knows 30 years from now what the narrative around this era will be…..heck the stuff he took could be legal by then!

    There are a lot of folks that want Rose in the HOF now…..that wasn’t the case when he was caught betting on the game

  185. pat January 14th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    1 brother = an entourage? Who knew.

    http://www.khou.com/sports/A-R.....12291.html

  186. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Steroids are NOT medically sound. They can cause liver c@ncer, damage joints, cause violence.

    The hypocrisy is when you’re favorite player gets nabbed using them, you twist medicine and imagine a game where steroids are “ok” for everyone, since your guy did them.

    Hypocrisy.

  187. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    True steroids will probbaly never be legal because they are harmful….however monitored HGH and testosterone? Who knows.

  188. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
    Oh so steroids is a “medical” breakthrough?

    You’re real unbiased there Bojo.

    Total hypocrisy.
    ——-
    That’s a very condescending attitude to take in a discussion. And I didn’t say steroids were a medical breakthrough. Unless you have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old, you are making a lot of presumptions as to the meanings of others. And as the old saying goes, when you presume, you make a pre out of u and me.

  189. Giuseppe Franco January 14th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    In steps G. Franco who once insisted Alex Rodriguez was going to get into the HOF after the first steroid admission.

    —-

    Ok, chief, but you’ve got me mixed up with someone else. I challenge you to find that comment in the archives because it never happened.

    I’ve never once insisted A-Rod was ever going to the Hall Of Fame since the PED use.

    Try again.

    My suggestion to you would be if you don’t like it when people insult you it would be a good idea to stop insulting the board as you’ve done repeatedly regarding this issue.

    You like to play the victim card but you bring it onto yourself.

  190. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    The hypocrisy is when you’re favorite player gets nabbed using them, you twist medicine and imagine a game where steroids are “ok” for everyone, since your guy did them.

    —————

    Pretty sure the folks that have argued for inclusion of certain PEDs in the game have always felt that way.. too bad that soap box isn’t a dictionary.

  191. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Oh so now the right to do drugs before children is just like the right of two human beings in love to marry.

    The right to do harmful drugs in front of children will never be lawful.

  192. AAA January 14th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Trish:

    Following up on Bojo’s suggestion of a used car, you’re in Rhode Island, right? Don’t know where in RI you are, but not all that far from the RI/MA state line on Route 123 in South Easton, MA is a place called Bourne’s Auto Center. They have a pretty impressive used car inventory.

  193. Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    “The last 4 seasons in which Drew has played 120+ games he has had an OPs of .748 or higher…..I said “if” healthy.”

    You can’t just assume that his performance in 2011-12 was due to injury because it’s convenient. Especially 2011, where he played through July before going on the DL. His performance has fluctuated quite a bit in healthy seasons anyway, though, and the offensive environment has continued to decline since he entered the league. A .748 OPS in 2009 is not necessarily one today.

    “His injury history is a concern and he isn’t a perfect player…..but that’s why he’s not getting a huge contract.”

    He hasn’t gotten any contract yet. There are no publicly available contract demands that I know of. It’s really hard to say the Yankees should sign someone when you don’t know the price tag.

    “You don’t have to be perfect to upgrade the team.”

    Upgrading the team also doesn’t necessarily make you a good signing. At no time have I disagreed with you that Drew would be a nice player to have on the roster. So would Robinson Cano. Pujols would have been a nice bat to add, too.

    “I don know the money it would take….but if it’s lets say 2/30…..I think that would be a great deal for the yanks”

    Again, I think 2/30 is your fantasy at this point. Not what Drew is asking for. Maybe later in the off-season, but Boras has shown total willingness to wait things out rather than taking a bad deal for his clients.
    If every FA could be had for a team friendly contract, I think most of us would agree with you. 2/30 seems very team friendly to me. Not in AAV, but in terms of years. Drew is going to be 33 after that contract with a serious injury history to date, I would imagine Boras is doing his best to make this Drew’s last big payday. Because even if he kills it for two years, at 33 he’s probably looking at a 2, 3 year deal max and more likely playing it out year-to-year if he doesn’t totally kill it.

  194. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
    Jerkface’s hypocritical fantasy also implies family doctors should be able to prescribe steroids to young athletes, like high school, maybe even middle school since they’re so safe and respectable and such.

    This answers my above question. You do have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old.

  195. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Bowden says Cash needs to walk to a podium and release him and be done with this and start fresh with Ellsury, McCann, Beltran, Jeter, and Tanaka.

    I agree with him

  196. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    _____________

    That’s what you said. I comprehended it just fine.

  197. JimK January 14th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Having been involved in over 200 arbitration hearings I am well aware that in many instances an arbitrator’s decision, on its face, may be ludicrous. I am also well aware of the fact that in 99.9% of the cases decided by an arbitrator both party’s are stuck with the decision, ludicrous as it may be.
    In this regard I am in the same camp as the majority of “legal experts” who have opined that Rodriguez is unlikely to prevail in federal court.
    After reading the Arbitrator’s decision, it was clear there were two issues, which simple put were “Did MLB prove that Alex Rodriguez continually violate the JDA?” and if so, “What is the proper penalty”
    It can be easily argued that MLB only need rely on their witnesses to prove the first issue, but what troubles me is the fact, Bud Selig, the individual who issued the discipline did not testify as to how he arrived at 214 games and left this unanswered question to the Arbitrator’s discretion.
    Since this is what the Party’s bargained for, I doubt that this is enough to overturn Horowitz’ decision, but as the “legal experts” also say, you never know.

  198. macintosh January 14th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    “The notion that a team with weaknesses can’t contend is also ridiculous. Some teams are top heavy with big holes and contend, the recent Tigers teams come to mind. A team like the Rays has good depth but also enters just about every season with a couple of big holes duct taped together only to win 90 games. The Cards had big holes at SS and in the BP last season, and the Red Sox entire pitching staff looked like a hole entering the season. The Giants have won WS with holes all over their roster and as many old players as the Yankees.”

    tiger woods at his peak used to go up against the “field” of a about a hundre guys.

    none of them could beat him on a regular basis, but one of the hundred could beat him every other tournament .

    the question is do the yankees want to be tiger woods at his peak or just one of the hundred guys?

    historically the yankees have always tried to be tiger woods winning a world series about every three years on average.

    if they want to just be part of the pack and roll the dice every twenty years or so, they are set up nicely right now on paper to do that.

  199. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    This answers my above question. You do have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old.

    _________________

    I scored in the 80th percentile on GRE verbal, a test for college grads. I know what you said.

  200. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
    Oh so now the right to do drugs before children is just like the right of two human beings in love to marry.

    The right to do harmful drugs in front of children will never be lawful.
    ===
    Wow.

    Ok, I just checked my calendar, and see that I can’t go with you to la-la land today. Your on your own.

  201. JimK January 14th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    One other thing: Under 80 for Roberts

  202. Ted Nelson January 14th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    “PittsburghYankeefan still insists, after all this, Arod’s going to the HOF.

    It’s hypocritical.”

    Do you understand what hypocritical means? You seem to just be labeling everything you disagree with as hypocritical.

  203. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    I don’t know what it will take to sign Drew….it’s a really tough thing to read…..just saying if it’s 2 years or even 3 at a reasonable AAV then it makes sense for them given the condition of their infield

  204. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

  205. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Since this is what the Party’s bargained for, I doubt that this is enough to overturn Horowitz’ decision, but as the “legal experts” also say, you never know.

    ————-

    Thanks for your take, Jim. I think most of us realize Alex getting anywhere with this is pure fantasy on his part.

  206. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    One other thing: Under 80 for Roberts

    __________

    You lost your bet to Nick.

  207. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
    This answers my above question. You do have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old.

    _________________

    I scored in the 80th percentile on GRE verbal, a test for college grads. I know what you said.
    ===

    I had close to perfect SATs and then scored 99.9% on GMATs…I’m pretty sure you don’t.

  208. Warning Track Power January 14th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Trisha-
    Pay me 1/3 of that price and I’ll be your personal driver!

  209. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    I had close to perfect SATs and then scored 99.9% on GMATs…I’m pretty sure you don’t.

    ___________

    I never said jack about your reading comprehension though so…

  210. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Bret has about 20 more minutes of this before he gets to the ‘no one understands my sense of humor’ portion of his schtick.

  211. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

    PEDs are performance enhancers much like other scientific and medical breakthoughs (my words)

  212. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Which I find amusing, so by all means continue!

  213. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    BTW–”much like” has an entirely different meaning than “are.” You lose.

  214. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Me and Steven Drew are goin to go live on the island with Bret and David Dejesus

  215. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    It’s us against the world Steven

  216. blake January 14th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    @McCulloughSL: 5 Yankees to file for salary arbitration today: Robertson, Gardner, Nova, Kelley, Cervelli. They exchange figures with the Yanks on Friday.

    Gardner number will be interesting

  217. Bret The Hitman January 14th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    much like other

    much like other

    much like other

    much like other

    much like other

    OTHER

    OTHER

    OTHER

  218. MTU January 14th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Trisha-

    Other than your personal preference for not being in debt is there any other reason you want to
    just buy the car outright ?

    If not, I would just hang onto the money and collect some extra interest.

    If you find it uncomfortable you can pay off the balance at any time w/o penalty.

    That way you keep all you options open.

    Once you hand over the money it’s gone.

    If you have any issues w your vehicle you also have additional leverage in that you still owe money on it and can refuse payment unless you are treated right.

    That said, I just paid cash for my last one but it was certified used one and that type of financing was
    not available or I might have considered it.

    The other virtue of paying w. Cash is you can sometimes knock the price down a bit more.

    Although on a zero interest the Dealer is likely getting a rebate of some sort from the manufacturer
    anyway so they are likely not to care as much.

    The best thing you can do is to do your homework beforehand on pricing.

    The one thing any Dealer hates is an informed consumer.

    It’s easy in this day and age.

    I wish I was there to help you I’m really good at this sort of thing.

    I’m a shark.

    :)

  219. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
    May God have mercy on your soul.

  220. Shame Spencer January 14th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    :arrow:

  221. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    BTW–”much like OTHER” has an entirely different meaning than “are.” You still lose.

  222. MTU January 14th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    And Trisha-

    If it were me, if the financing is the same, I would go w a 1 yr. old certified car.

    You get most, if not all, of the benefit of new and save on the cost.

    jmo

    P.S. That’s what I did w my last purchase. Certified Toyota.

  223. MTU January 14th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    New one ——–>

  224. BoJo January 14th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    MTU January 14th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
    And Trisha-

    If it were me, if the financing is the same, I would go w a 1 yr. old certified car.

    You get most, if not all, of the benefit of new and save on the cost.

    jmo
    ===
    Agreed…or perhaps a car being sold by Enterprise or Avis or Hertz.

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