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Girardi makes his pitch for Tanaka

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 15, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro Tanaka

One more thing I’d almost forgotten about from Sunday night’s Joe Girardi event at The Harvey School…

The event was moderated by sports broadcaster Jimmy Roberts, who did a kind of CenterStage type interview with Girardi before a short question-and-answer session with the audience. Roberts asked Girardi about everything from his childhood to his plans for the 2014 Yankees, and at one point, Roberts took a shot on asking Girardi about the possibility of signing Masahiro Tanaka. Rather than a typical free agent comment — he’s a good player, would be a nice addition, blah blah blah — Girardi gave what sounded like a legitimate sales pitch. Maybe he thought Tanaka was in the audience.

Here’s what Girardi said about the Yankees pursuit of the Japanese ace:

“I think it’s possible. This is a guy that went 24-0. Started games, closed their clinching game. He loves competition. He loves the atmosphere. This kid has been highly touted since he was out high school, basically. He has been in the big moment. If you want a chance to win every year, and you like the big stage – which it appears that he likes – this would be a good place to come. So I think that we have a lot to offer him. You think about, he’s got Hiroki Kuroda to lean on his first year if he comes here. He’s got Ichiro. New York, I think, has a tremendous Asian population and he will be supported there throughout the year. I think there’s something to be said that Hideki Matsui stays here. He did not go back to Japan. This is quite a place to play, so I think we have a decent chance.”

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251 Responses to “Girardi makes his pitch for Tanaka”

  1. Howler January 15th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Is Girardi going to throw the book at him?

  2. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    “‘Course.. but this is where you’ll see the players put their money where their mouth is.

    Plus, any time an agreement is amended (and this approach to punishment represents an amended agreement, as far as I’m concerned since it flies in the face of the rationale behind the scaling punishments), that’s something to concern yourself with as a party involved in that agreement. It could be a matter of principle.”

    the players keep saying they want stricter penalties…….

  3. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Good work Joe.

    :)

  4. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Clearly Girardi wants Tanaka-y

  5. Howler January 15th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    Okay…it’s too sunny to sit here…the monster needs a walk..and hikers to feed upon.

  6. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    the players keep saying they want stricter penalties…….

    ————-

    Right. And Braun said he was innocent and you believed him lol. Sorry, but what the players say is irrelevant to me.

  7. UpState January 15th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    While we’re on the Cubs…they signed….

    Chris Coghlan…

    to a minor league deal with an invitation to Spring Training.

    29yo
    OF
    Bats Left

    2013 = 200 ab…1-10 — .256 (.318 obp)

    .270 Lifetime hittter over 1400 AB’s

  8. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Re-post:

    Hold the budget!! Arod may lose his case, and still play in 2014. Here’s how:

    “One of the factors in a court’s decision whether to grant a preliminary injunction is to assess the balance of hardships. The balance of hardships is determined by weighing the harm that will be suffered by the plaintiff if an injunction is not granted, against the harm that will be imposed upon the defendant by the granting of an injunction. If the balance of hardships tips decidedly toward the plaintiff, it will ordinarily be enough that the plaintiff has raised questions going to the merits so serious, substantial, difficult and doubtful, as to make them a fair ground for litigation and thus for more deliberate investigation. ”

    Just copied from Wikilaw.

    Balance of hardships is one of the factors for a preliminary injunction, along with irreparable harm. I don’t think it’s a one for a TRO but I’m not sure and Arod didn’t take that route anyway.

    This is how it would work. The judge has to like Arod’s case just enough not to grant the motion to dismiss. Say he thinks Arod will lose at trial, but he’s willing to let it go that far and see what Arod can prove, then a PI makes quite a bit of sense. Why? If Arod doesn’t get his injunction, but wins at trial, he gets his money back but he’s lost a full season at age 39. He can’t ever have that back. But if the injunction is granted, and Arod loses at trial, what does MLB lose? Not much. Arod is still under contract for 3 more years after this year. He can serve his suspension in 2015.

    I think there might be a real good shot here for Arod. He plays this year, but still loses his case. More reason to show up at ST until at least the PI is decided.

  9. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    AAA has a point. We’ve only seen shaky reports that there are only two or three teams in the race for Tanaka.. could be untrue. Either way, I don’t think eliminating any one team washes out his market.

  10. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Howler-

    Throw a saddle on and ride instead.

    :)

  11. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    I didn’t know Matsui lives in New York. That is a good selling argument. I wish Girardi would have made those arguments to Tanaka rather than the reporter. Maybe he did.

  12. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Roberts is not an everyday 2B and doesn’t hit leftys.
    Baker does.
    Johnson and Nunez won’t meet Yankee fielding parameters at 3B.
    I know they know this but are trying to save a million here and there and waiting them out will make it happen…
    But…if they don’t sign Baker , Balfour and Tanaka it wreaks of 189 or close.

  13. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    I’m not worried about MT.

    Whether it’s from us or someone else he is going to be a very, very rich young Man soon.

    I hope he lives up to his billing and his cost.

  14. RadioKev January 15th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    If I’m Kershaw I’m taking an extension and not necessarily holding out for a record breaking deal. The guy has been money, but pitching is risky business. Take $200m+ when you’ve got it in hand.

  15. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Kev-

    Kershaw has already had hip issues.

    I’d agree.

  16. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    mac – Something tells me the only selling arguments that will matter will come from Jackson, Grant, and Franklin. :D

    Man I can’t wait for this thing to wrap up…

  17. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    if matsui still lives in NY the yankees should have him on salary like they do reggie.

    cant see him wanting to travel with the team or be a coach, but keeping him close to the organization would likely be very well worth it.

  18. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    “Right. And Braun said he was innocent and you believed him lol. Sorry, but what the players say is irrelevant to me.”

    I did…..stupid

  19. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    Repost from last night:

    Dodgers’ presentation to Tanaka:

    http://i.imgur.com/icfq0GS.gif

  20. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    With respect to ARod, I don’t think an injunction is in the cards. First, the way I see it, there’s no likelihood of success on the merits. Second, there’s no irreparable harm. At this point in his career, ARod is not playing for another contract so he can be fully compensated with monetary damages.

  21. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    lol they are playing Boys II Men “End of the Road” on MLB radio for the Arod fan that just can’t let go

  22. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    that’s funny wanzies

  23. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 15th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Ys

    im not sure if you saw what i posted last night..

    again grain of salt because it was on a message board, but this guy was saying that the Yankees brought Matsui and Jeter with them to meet with Tanaka.

    If that is the truth, i finally like how the Yankees are playing the game

  24. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    have we come…..to the end …of…the road….still I can’t let go…..it’s “unnatural”….you belong to me…..I belong to you Arod……

  25. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    wow, michelle, i hope that’s true!

    thats a powerful duo!

  26. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Michelle -

    Thanks for the Baker update.

    Tell him it’s always better to go where you’re wanted…. :-)

  27. RadioKev January 15th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Matsui and Jeter on a recruiting trip? I’ll take extra salt on mine.

  28. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    How many years does Baker want Michelle?
    2 or 3?

  29. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Shame,
    feel free to give us a Backstreet Boys song to describe Arod

  30. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Matsui will not take no for an answer!

  31. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    “again grain of salt because it was on a message board, but this guy was saying that the Yankees brought Matsui and Jeter with them to meet with Tanaka. ”

    What about Kei Igawa? Did they bring him?

  32. Joe from Long Island January 15th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    from NY Times –

    Alex Rodriguez has already incurred the anger of many of his fellow players by suing the Players Association on Monday, but over time, they may come to despise him even more for confirming Major League Baseball’s sweeping powers of punishment.

    The decision of the arbitrator Fredric R. Horowitz to give Rodriguez a full-season ban establishes a precedent that for the first time in a legally binding proceeding upholds the use of Major League Baseball’s so-called Just Cause section in the Joint Drug Agreement, according to experts in labor law. The decision also provides a new standard for the penalties the commissioner can mete out for behavior like Rodriguez’s.

    “Horowitz has interpreted the clause for the first time,” said Joseph Farelli, a labor lawyer who has worked on thousands of employee arbitration cases. “No one knew exactly what kind of penalty the clause provided for. Now we have a guideline.”

    Before the ruling, there was no established sense of what “just cause” actually meant, or what the penalties for it could be. Ryan Braun was technically the first to be suspended under the clause, about two weeks before Rodriguez. But Braun did not appeal, so the clause did not have to withstand the scrutiny of an arbitrator.

    “He has given baseball a huge hammer,” Charles Michael, a partner at the law firm Brune & Richard, said, referring to Horowitz. “It renders the protection under the schedule of penalties in Section 7.A weak and almost nonbinding. It’s bad for the players.”

    Theoretically, if a player tests positive a first time for a banned substance, Major League Baseball can investigate the player, as it did with Rodriguez, find other evidence against him and levy a higher punishment.

    M.L.B. always thought it had the right to do this. On Saturday, Horowitz confirmed it.

    When Commissioner Bud Selig wrote to Alex Rodriguez on Aug. 6 to inform him of his 211-game suspension, he invoked Section 7.G.2 of the Joint Drug Agreement, the Just Cause section. He said Rodriguez had violated the drug program and engaged in “conduct that is materially detrimental” to the best interests of baseball.

    Horowitz specifically cited the clause in his ruling and noted that the league and the players’ union had agreed to it. It is in the contract. But until Selig applied it and Horowitz upheld it, there was no framework for what it allowed the commissioner to do.

    Previously, Section 7.A provided the well-known schedule for punishment: 50 games for the first violation, 100 games for the second and a lifetime ban for the third.

    Section 7.G.2, a brief and somewhat vague sentence that was installed in the Joint Drug Agreement in 2008, appears lower down in the document. It allows the commissioner to punish a player for offenses not detailed in the earlier sections of the J.D.A. “A player may be subjected to disciplinary action for just cause by the commissioner for any player violation of Section 2 above not referenced in Section 7.A through 7.F above,” it reads.

    It does not specify what just cause is, or what the disciplinary action can be.

    In essence, it states that anything a player does that is not specified earlier in the agreement is subject to undefined suspension based on just cause. The union, in filing its initial appeal of the Rodriguez suspension over the summer, argued that the commissioner did not have just cause in the case, and said that at most Rodriguez deserved a 50-game suspension, according to the schedule laid out in Section 7.A.

    If another player in the future is suspended under Section 7.G.2 and appeals it, the arbitrator, whether Horowitz or someone else, will probably cite Horowitz’s ruling in the Rodriguez case.

    Farelli and Michael said that Horowitz’s ruling, especially by pointing out Section 7.G.2, was sound and almost impervious to second-guessing by a federal judge. Donald Schroeder, a partner in the labor group at the law firm Mintz Levin, agreed, saying that Horowitz was a well-respected arbitrator and would not easily be overruled.

    “It would take the equivalent of a polar vortex and a vernal equinox,” he said. “The odds are remote at best.”

    The lawyers estimated that the judge in the case would not render a ruling for at least three months, and perhaps as much as a year, depending on whether he seeks discovery. In the meantime, Horowitz’s ruling remains in effect, including his endorsement of the commissioner’s new powers.

    “Rodriguez unwittingly did his fellow players a huge disservice by bringing this case to arbitration,” Farelli said. “Baseball now has the power to impose penalties beyond what people thought they could.”

  33. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    “What about Kei Igawa? Did they bring him?
    ==========================
    of course they brought igawa,it’s LA, they need a sunglass consultant.

  34. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
    With respect to ARod, I don’t think an injunction is in the cards. First, the way I see it, there’s no likelihood of success on the merits. Second, there’s no irreparable harm. At this point in his career, ARod is not playing for another contract so he can be fully compensated with monetary damages.

    ———

    Wrong again Mr. Hat. Of course losing a season is irreparable harm. It’s irreparable harm for any baseball player, especially for one at Arod’s age. That’s a total no brainer.

    Now success on the merits is a very hard standard for Arod. No doubt. I’ve been involved in dozens of TROs in my career. I personally argued in court about 10 PIs I think. Let me tell you how all this works. It’s totally up to the judge on weighing these factors. He/She can look at all of them. Or just one or two. It’s totally depends on how a judge sees this case.

    If this case has some legs in the eyes of this judge, he’ll grant the PI because there’s really no downside to him or MLB. This is probably one of the strongest examples ever of balance of hardships for the plaintiff.

  35. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    So if the TRO flies Arod plays?
    Is this why they are waiting on a BU3B?

  36. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    MTU,

    By the way, if anyone ever asks it would be acceptable to me if people approached me as Wanzies demonstrated the Dodgers did Tanaka.

    No doubt, money is a critical element. However, little things might matter if money is close. My close relationship and understanding of Tanaka’s psyche has largely been learned on this board. The best I can figure, give him a zillion dollars and his wife a weekly show on Yes where she can do anything she wants.

    I don’t for a minute believe Jeter is recruiting anyone. He never has. Matsui, perhaps, yes.

  37. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    bigdan, dont be so sure of your stance. i understand that you probably have more experience at this than anybody here, but then again, last week you were certain that the arbitrator couldn’t give arod more than 50 games.

  38. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    “Wrong again Mr. Hat. Of course losing a season is irreparable harm. It’s irreparable harm for any baseball player, especially for one at Arod’s age. That’s a total no brainer.”

    There’s no irreparable harm. He is fully compensable by his salary at this point. It’s not irreparable harm that he merely can’t play.

    As to success on the merits, there is little, as I was saying yesterday and as the New Yotk Times is saying today, as Joe from Long Island just posted at 2:36pm.

    Just admit it, bigdan22, you are totally in the bag for your hero ARod.

  39. blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    “If this case has some legs in the eyes of this judge, he’ll grant the PI because there’s really no downside to him or MLB. This is probably one of the strongest examples ever of balance of hardships for the plaintiff.”

    it wastes tax payers money…..oh yea….that doesn’t matter. Everything I’ve read or heard on this suggests that it’s extremely unlikely that a federal judge would overturn the arbitrator’s ruling…..

  40. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 15th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Mick,

    he hasnt out right told me, but I think this will be his last contract, so Im sure he wants as much money as he can get and I think he wants an option for a 3rd yr. He also lives in Virginia in the off season and NY is closer to home. FWIW

  41. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Ys Guy-

    Bigdan is out to lunch on this one.

  42. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    I read that NYTimes article. It’s nice that we’re getting some legal analysis but the article went only halfway there. While it covered the “just cause” standard of 7.G.2, there was no discussion my point concerning 7.L protection and how it specifically applies to non-analytical positives. If you notice, Horowitz didn’t ignore 7.L.. Instead he tortured it with his creative multiple drug theory. Another issue not covered in the Times report. I give it a B-

  43. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I don’t for a minute believe Jeter is recruiting anyone.
    ====================
    Jeter would show for a sitdown with Tanak, why not?
    So would Ichiro.

  44. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Mick,

    A team “official” was supposed to have said they are not adding anyone until the Tanaka situation is resolved. It does fit the inactivity. But, why are Baker and other non-pitchers Tanaka connected?

  45. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Mick,

    I have never heard of Jeter recruiting anyone. Have you?

  46. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    ” I give it a B-”

    LOL, have you predicted one thing right on the ARod case so far?

  47. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Mac-

    I’m glad we have you on our side.

    You are huge untapped resource.

    I hope Kuroda has done a little extra-curricular as well as Ichiro.

    It all will be over soon one way or the other.

    It’s like we say in hiking, “it’s all downhill now except for the uphill’s”.

    :)

  48. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Michelle,
    He knows he is needed now that Arod is gone but the longer he waits the less he will get.
    Tell him that..

  49. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    big dan has likely spent more time on the legal aspects of this than anyone here, so i read what he has to say, he’s well informed.

    i just disagree that the chance of him getting an injunction or a stay or whatever is lower than he does.

    sometimes i think when you spend alot of time digging deep into the details of a case, you can lose sight of what a simpler view will tell you.

    but i appreciate that he’s so into it and his information has been very useful to me at least.

  50. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
    bigdan, dont be so sure of your stance. i understand that you probably have more experience at this than anybody here, but then again, last week you were certain that the arbitrator couldn’t give arod more than 50 games.

    —-

    Ok, this is the last time I cover this. I never said Arod would get no more than 50 games and as Casey would say “you can look it up!” My prediction always was 50-100 and I always maintained that because arbitrations are not appealable, arbitrators can basically do what ever they want with evidence and totally ignore precedent. Which of course I was spot with Horowitz.

  51. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Mac

    Jeter is low key, you know that.
    If he feels it would help the team to have some sushi and sake with Tanaka, he will do it.
    If it were my team I would have Matsui, Ichiro and Kuroda present as well.

  52. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    mick why do you think jeter wouldnt’ recruit for the yankees?

    and while im thinking about it, i dont really remember anyone ever saying that jeter called them to recruit them to the yankees, but maybe im wrong there.

  53. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
    “If this case has some legs in the eyes of this judge, he’ll grant the PI because there’s really no downside to him or MLB. This is probably one of the strongest examples ever of balance of hardships for the plaintiff.”

    it wastes tax payers money…..oh yea….that doesn’t matter. Everything I’ve read or heard on this suggests that it’s extremely unlikely that a federal judge would overturn the arbitrator’s ruling…..

    ——-

    You are missing the point Blake. The judge can grant the injunction WITHOUT vacating the decision. As far as I know, no one on the internet or the media has commenting on this issue. But you can bet they will soon. Sometimes it takes only a couple hours after I post something.

  54. RadioKev January 15th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Jeter already specifically said he doesn’t do recruiting calls this offseason, and I don’t remember him ever making it a point before. I will be very surprised if this is true.

  55. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West January 15th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Austin

    i think for the yankees it’s money. For the ranger, they now need help with pitching as Scheppers is not a lock as a rotation guy for them. There doesnt seem to be a need elswhere for Baker, maybe the cubs or the rockies? But it seems no one is conducting business as usual till MT signs somewhere.

  56. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Jeter wouldn’t tell you if he texted or talked to Tanaka.
    It’s not about him, that’s why he’s the Capt.

  57. RadioKev January 15th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
    Jeter wouldn’t tell you if he texted or talked to Tanaka.
    It’s not about him, that’s why he’s the Capt.
    ———

    So the fact that we don’t know about it is why you believe he has done it? Despite him saying to the contrary?

  58. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    If I’m MT and I get a sit down w Matsui, Ichiro, and Kuroda I as am impressed as hell.

    Like sitting w Mantle, Pete Rose, and Gregg Maddux.

    If that doesn’t make an impression, other than cold, hard cash, nothing will.

    It should have been SOP.

    ;)

  59. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Michelle,
    They could be waiting on any last minute surprises from the arod camp looking to overturn or stall his verdict before making final offer to Baker.

    If he is smart, he wants to come here..tell him that.
    He will get more playing time here than elsewhere and it will be more meaningful than in Texas.

  60. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Michelle -

    Good points…

    Current chatter is the Rangers are revisiting the Rays and David Price. They will have to rummage around in their bag of inventory and see if they have what the Rays require…. I would say, likely.

  61. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
    “Wrong again Mr. Hat. Of course losing a season is irreparable harm. It’s irreparable harm for any baseball player, especially for one at Arod’s age. That’s a total no brainer.”

    There’s no irreparable harm. He is fully compensable by his salary at this point. It’s not irreparable harm that he merely can’t play.

    As to success on the merits, there is little, as I was saying yesterday and as the New Yotk Times is saying today, as Joe from Long Island just posted at 2:36pm.

    Just admit it, bigdan22, you are totally in the bag for your hero ARod.

    ———-

    Wrong again Mr. Hat.

    Arod is def not my hero. I spent over 11 years litigating at the SEC going after fraudsters and making little money doing it. I hate fraud. And Arod is a fraud. If I were king I’d ban him for life.

    But you know what? I’m not king. Neither are you. And neither is Bud Selig. If there’s one thing I hate more than fraud it’s abuse of power. When I was prosecutor, I could have brought a lot of cases that I decided not to because it wasn’t the right thing to do. When you have the power, you have a duty to God, country or whatever to do the right thing. To follow the law. Because the law is bigger than me, you, Horowitz, Arod and the Almighty Bud.

  62. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    If I’m MT and I get a sit down w Matsui, Ichiro, and Kuroda I as am impressed as hell.
    =============
    MTU

    It might be overwhelming and overkill.
    Make it all of them over 2-3 meetings.

  63. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    FWIW, Tanaka is said to have consulted with some of the elite Japanese pitchers already, regarding pitching in the US.

    Nomo, Saito, Kuroda….

  64. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    He will get more playing time here than elsewhere and it will be more meaningful than in Texas

    ======================================

    More meaningful?

  65. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Steve-

    Profar needs to be included to make that happen I would think.

  66. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    So the fact that we don’t know about it is why you believe he has done it? Despite him saying to the contrary?
    ========================
    No. They are not related. But he would keep it quiet, it’s none of our business.

  67. mick January 15th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    More meaningful?
    ============
    Of course.

  68. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Mick-

    Whatever aids our cause.

    :)

  69. RadioKev January 15th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    So far the Yankees have played this offseason well. Aggressive early, and now able to wait on Tanaka because the rest of the market is frozen.

  70. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    “When you have the power, you have a duty to God, country or whatever to do the right thing. To follow the law. Because the law is bigger than me, you, Horowitz, Arod and the Almighty Bud.”

    I will grant you that the law is bigger than me. But I still don’t get what law was at stake in the ARod arbitration.

    And while “doing the right thing” invariably means different things to different people, some people always seem to think they have the corner on it.

  71. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    MTU -

    Profar is where I would start if I were the Rays. That would allow them to save not only the 15M ish for Price, but perhaps move Escobar and save another 5M.

    They should be able to make it work.

  72. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Just coming back on.

    Who represented the Yankees last week in LA?cWhat other teams besides the Dodgers, Cubs, White Sox, DBacks actually met with Casey Close and Tanaka?

  73. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    MTU -

    Profar is where I would start if I were the Rays. That would allow them to save not only the 15M ish for Price, but perhaps move Escobar and save another 5M.

    They should be able to make it work.

    ===============================

    When is Price a free agent? After this year? Or after next? If I’m not getting at least 2 seasons of Price, there is no way on earth I’m including Profar if I’m Texas.

  74. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    “You are missing the point Blake. The judge can grant the injunction WITHOUT vacating the decision. As far as I know, no one on the internet or the media has commenting on this issue. But you can bet they will soon. Sometimes it takes only a couple hours after I post something.”

    I guess…I havent’ heard anyone specifically mention the injunction….but almost universally folks seem to think that getting a court to hear the case is a long shot…..and why would a judge grant an injunction unless they are going to hear the case?

  75. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Price is a FA after 2015….you’re getting 2 years of him.

  76. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    AAA -

    Price is under control for two more years.

  77. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    I said last year that I thought a Profar for Price trade would happen at some point…..Profar’s stock has taken a hit since then but most still think he’s going to be very good. Still could happen….

  78. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    “And while “doing the right thing” invariably means different things to different people, some people always seem to think they have the corner on it.”

    _______

    I’ll go with somebody I quoted a few days ago. A really smart man of lived a long time ago. A lot smarter than I am. He said treat others like an end, not a means. That should be tattooed on Bud’s arm.

  79. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    If I was Seattle I’d trade Walker for Price…..2 years of certain ace is better than 6 years of might be ace if they are serious about winning now…..the Mariners need to win before Cano gets old.

  80. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Is this the kind of contract, structure wise, that Casey Close will get for MT, with slightly less yearly dollars?

    This is his clients,Zach Greinke’s contract

    6 years/$147M (2013-18)
    signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 12/10/12

    $12M signing bonus (paid in multiple installments, 12/2012 – 2/2014)

    13:$17M, 14:$24M, 15:$23M, 16:$24M, 17:$23M, 18:$24M

    Greinke may opt out of contract after 2015 season
    if traded, Greinke receives $3M assignment bonus and may opt out of the contract at season’s end
    2018 salary increases by $2M with 1,000 innings pitched in 2013-17
    if Greinke wins Cy Young, his salary for the following season increases by $1M ($0.5M increase with 2-5 finish in Cy Young vote)
    if Greinke wins 2018 Cy Young, he receives a $1M award bonus ($0.5M award bonus with 2-5 finish in 2018 Cy Young vote)

  81. Mottsx January 15th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    I’m pretty sure Cano retires with 1 WS ring. He will reach the playoffs again, He will never reach the World Series again though.

  82. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    “and why would a judge grant an injunction unless they are going to hear the case?”

    blake,

    The judge is highly unlikely to grant an injunction, since nowhere in the 41 page Complaint (not including exhibits) did ARod’s attorneys ask for one. The relief sought is for the vacating of the arbitrator’s decision.

  83. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:07 pm
    “You are missing the point Blake. The judge can grant the injunction WITHOUT vacating the decision. As far as I know, no one on the internet or the media has commenting on this issue. But you can bet they will soon. Sometimes it takes only a couple hours after I post something.”

    I guess…I havent’ heard anyone specifically mention the injunction….but almost universally folks seem to think that getting a court to hear the case is a long shot…..and why would a judge grant an injunction unless they are going to hear the case?

    ———-

    This whole thing is a longshot no doubt Blake. I was just pointing out a PI is actually quite a bit less of a longshot than Arod ultimately winning the case.

    Here’s the funny thing about the study of law. You can look at all the historical cases you want. All the challenges to arbitration decisions that have failed and conclude Arod will lose. But you know what? There’s never been a labor arbitration case like the one Arod has. There’s never been one even close. Because there’s only one Arod (thank God). Everything about this case is different, not just the new interpretation of the JDA.

    So who really knows. If you hang out at the track (and I don’t), you know longshots come in every day.

  84. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Wave,
    my understanding is that Arod’s team would have to show that the arbitrator showed gross bias or incompetence in evaluating the case to get a court to hear it……and although some don’t agree with his ruling….I don’t see how that could be argued really at all.

  85. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    ” He said treat others like an end, not a means.”

    Although I am not sure the person I think you are referring to actually said those words, Selig would probably tell you he is. I didn’t personally agree with Bud’s Javert-like pursuit of ARod, but my guess is Selig does believe he is doing the right thing.

  86. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Steve-

    I’m glad you said “starts” because I think it takes more.

    2 years of Price is worth a lot.

    :)

  87. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
    “and why would a judge grant an injunction unless they are going to hear the case?”

    blake,

    The judge is highly unlikely to grant an injunction, since nowhere in the 41 page Complaint (not including exhibits) did ARod’s attorneys ask for one. The relief sought is for the vacating of the arbitrator’s decision.

    ——-

    Now you’re starting to sound like you don’t know what you are talking about. You have heard of motion practice right? Or amending a complaint? Arod’s lawyers have already publically stated that they will eventually seek an injunction. As I’ve pointed out several times, the timing hasn’t been right for an injunction because ST is still weeks away.

  88. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    YT -

    Looks like Close’s work product.

  89. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    blake January 15th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Shame,
    feel free to give us a Backstreet Boys song to describe Arod

    —————–

    If You Want it to be Good Girl (Get Yourself a Bad Boy)

    They still make fun of recording this song wayyyy back when: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcNSxCchW1M

    True story, I was afraid to play this song too loudly in my house because I knew whatever it was about I wasn’t allowed to be doing.

    Also, Show Me the Meaning of Being Lonely might be appropriate for Alex lol.

  90. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    blake-

    It can’t, or rather it is highly unlikely. The federal court is going to defer to Horowitz’ interpretation of the JDA, because it is not irrational.

    Let ARod and his people stew in it all they want to, it’s time for us Yankee fans to move on.

  91. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    MTU -

    Rays are said to be looking for an elite prospect a la Wil Myers (Profar) plus one ML-ready player at a position of need, plus two mid-levei prospects (for replenishing the coffers).

  92. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    YT,

    The only team confirming meeting in LA is the White Sox. I have seen nothing else. Very quiet.

  93. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Looking at Chad’s list of in-house 3b options I think it’s pretty clear that Kelly Johnson is the guy.

    And while lot has been made about Nunez being an option for a RH platoon, Johnson actually isn’t bad against LHP with a .276 BA, .336 OBP and .770 OPS so I think what it’s going to come down to for the last bench spots are:
    Versatility
    Roster Space

    In terms of versatility Sizemore, Anna and Solare have the advantages over the other players because, while Mustellier and Canzler can also play the OF corners, the Yankees are plenty deep there. Obviously Sizemore has the edge in terms of experience but Anna and Nunez are the only ones on the 40 man roster (which is already full). Nunez is hot garbage defensively and I think in terms of this role, defense will be a primary item. But again, to get Sizemore on the team, someone has to come off the roster.

    Right now the Yankees have 5 catchers on the 40 man roster, I’m not sure that they’ll maintain that alignment into the season (they could deal Romine or Cervelli for a minor league player during spring training).

  94. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    “Arod’s lawyers have already publically stated that they will eventually seek an injunction. ”

    We will see what they do. They haven’t done it so far. Timing is as good as any for an injunction. Do you think the court is going to be sympathetic if ARod waits until the day before Spring Training and goes in with a TRO? I don’t think so.

  95. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Wave,
    agreed…..Alex is just throwing hay makers now as he’s falling to the mat.

  96. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Steve-

    They may not get that much but I can certainly understand them asking.

    One of these days their assembly line will break down though.

    No one can keep that sort of thing up forever. Hit after hit w/o fail.

    They have done well thus far though.

  97. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Ken Davidoff over at the NY Post has a great article about Alex. In one part he talks about the lawsuit:

    On Monday, I heard the most dumb-guy-friendly explanation yet for this. Thanks to Matt Adler, chair of the International Litigation and Arbitration group with the law firm Pepper Hamilton.

    Adler read Team A-Rod’s lawsuit, and he noted paragraph 103, which reads: “Arbitrator Horowitz demonstrated a manifest disregard for the law by admitting into the arbitration record and relying upon unreliable evidence, wholly unauthenticated documents, and hearsay testimony.”

    In a telephone interview Tuesday, Adler responded to that assertion: “You’re allowed to do that in arbitration. When you sign a contract that creates the jurisdiction of the arbitrator, the technical evidentiary rules of a federal court do not apply. Therefore, to base your appeal on the violation of those rules makes no sense.”

    This would be the equivalent, Adler said, “of grafting soccer rules onto football.”

    During the arbitration hearing, Team A-Rod repeatedly lamented it would be dominating in a federal-court hearing. Unfortunately for Team A-Rod, it can’t magically transform its case away from arbitration.

  98. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    “Let ARod and his people stew in it all they want to, it’s time for us Yankee fans to move on.”

    _______

    That’s going to be pretty hard to do if he’s playing 3b in a few weeks in Tampa. And we won’t know for sure he will not until the judge decides the injunction, a motion of which is yet to be filed.

    This has been my point all along. However you feel about the case legally, nothing has been settled yet about Arod. Why do you think the Yanks aren’t spending his money? The money for Tanaka was budgeted a long time ago.

  99. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    “Rays are said to be looking for an elite prospect a la Wil Myers (Profar) plus one ML-ready player at a position of need, plus two mid-levei prospects (for replenishing the coffers).”

    Gary Sanchez and Eduardo Scissorhands! :)

  100. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    Chip,

    With Jeter at SS and Johnson at 3B, I just hope the defense on that side is adequate. But right now that’s a big question.

  101. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    If the Dodger don’t wrap up the Kershaw contract until Friday morning, might it be the following week before Tanaka is,
    “Signed, Sealed Delivered, I’m Yours?”

    2:07pm: Dodgers president Stan Kasten has confirmed that the club is looking to complete a deal with Kershaw in the near term, according to a tweet from Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. “I am hopeful that, by the [arbitration exchange] deadline Friday morning, we can work something out,” Kasten said in reference to Kershaw.

    Kasten also left the impression that a Kershaw extension would not preclude the club from pursuing Masahiro Tanaka, Shaikin further tweets. Though he declined to discuss the Japanese hurler, Kasten said that he does not “think any one contract impacts any other.”

  102. macintosh January 15th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    “Let ARod and his people stew in it all they want to, it’s time for us Yankee fans to move on.”

    hal needs to write a check to alex and be done with it.

    i have nothing against alex, but no interest in him either .

    it would be easy for fans to move on if alex is no longer a yankee.

  103. Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    The Yankees are as professional and competent a business as one can find and that includes their executive and marketing departments. There is no way they are going to leave any stone unturned and I am sure they strategized and planned how to best pitch Tanaka. Whether that means utilizing Jeter and Matsui or projecting a ghost of babe Ruth on the walls, etc. they will do all they can.

  104. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    “This has been my point all along. ”

    No, that hasn’t been your point all along. Your point, repeatedly stated, is that ARod is likely to win because Horowitz evidenced “a manifest disregard for the law”. Don’t go to some “anything can happen” standard. Stick with your position and we’ll see. If it turns out you are right, think of the fun you can have saying “I told you so.”

  105. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    YT-

    What would expect him to say, “Since we are now about to sign CK to a massive contract we are tapped out for this year.”

    :)

  106. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Boy do I hope they sign Tanaka.

  107. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    MTU -

    If I’m the Rangers and I don’t have to give up Perez, but could do it with Profar, say Moreland and a couple of mid-range players….done.

  108. macintosh January 15th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    “Boy do I hope they sign Tanaka.”

    they kind of have to.

  109. mick January 15th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    it would be easy for fans to move on if alex is no longer a yankee.
    ============================
    timing is everything…

  110. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    “Adler read Team A-Rod’s lawsuit, and he noted paragraph 103, which reads: “Arbitrator Horowitz demonstrated a manifest disregard for the law by admitting into the arbitration record and relying upon unreliable evidence, wholly unauthenticated documents, and hearsay testimony.””

    ——

    I read this article yesterday. Most of it was pretty negative about the lawsuit’s chances which of course is appropriate but one of the lawyers quoted said what I’ve been saying all along–the only arguments that could work are bias and manifest disregard of the law. I think the latter is the most powerful. But the quote I cited above is taken right out of the complaint and is troubling because it’s so embarrassingly stupid. I don’t know lawyers throw garbage in complaints. If I were a judge I would take it as an insult.

  111. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Sounds like it might be Monday of next week before we get a final answer.

    Dodgers have to put a bow on the Kershaw thing 1st and know where they are at $$$ wise.

    That might not be till Friday or so.

    Can’t imagine MT signs w/o knowing the final offer from the Dodgers would be.

    He has till the 24th. Monday is the 20th.

    Maybe I’m wrong ?

  112. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Bigdan –

    The fact that the Yankees gave Alex’s roster spot to Brian Roberts indicates that they are moving forward with the notion that he’s gone. That was the only reason they hadn’t formalized that signing.

    As far as MLB, the Union and the Yankees are concerned, Alex Rodriguez is suspended for 2014. The only one who is moving along with the notion that he’s going to play in 2014 is Alex Rodriguez.

  113. mick January 15th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    I get the feeling the Yanks think Tanaka is theirs unless LA blows us away like Sea did with Cano.
    As long as it’s close (no pun intended) , he’s ours…

  114. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Now that the Orioles have signed Alfredo Aceves, they won’t be going after Tanaka….whew!!

  115. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
    “This has been my point all along. ”

    No, that hasn’t been your point all along. Your point, repeatedly stated, is that ARod is likely to win because Horowitz evidenced “a manifest disregard for the law”. Don’t go to some “anything can happen” standard. Stick with your position and we’ll see. If it turns out you are right, think of the fun you can have saying “I told you so.”

    ———

    Ok, here’s your homework assignment. Go back and read my posts and give me 500 words in the morning.

    Up until this point, you’ve been wrong on substantive law, appellate law and civil procedure. Now you are wrong on the facts too.

  116. mick January 15th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    seems like the O’s are abiding a budget.

  117. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Mac

    I have read that both the Red Sox and Angels did not meet with him in LA.

    If ARod plays anywhere this season that could be very tricky for the Yankees, if they still have an insurance policy on him. What happens if he re-injures his hip, requires surgery and can’t return to baseball to finish the last three years of his contract, while playing for any team? Do the Yankees than sue him for breach of contract to avoid paying out the remainder of monies due him?

  118. BoJo January 15th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    No surprise to me to hear about the Dodgers pushing to extend Kershaw at this time. I’m sure they want to know where they stand with him before they make final decision on Tanaka. If they can’t sign Kershaw, they will up their bid. If they can sign Kershaw, they can back off as the need won’t be so desperate. I expect a Kershaw deal to close before Friday or Dodgers will go strong at Tanaka.

  119. Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    mick January 15th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
    I get the feeling the Yanks think Tanaka is theirs unless LA blows us away like Sea did with Cano.
    As long as it’s close (no pun intended) , he’s ours…

    Don’t forget the Cliff Lee surprise when he turned down $154 million from the Yankees for $100 million from the Phillies.

  120. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Chip January 15th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
    Bigdan –

    The fact that the Yankees gave Alex’s roster spot to Brian Roberts indicates that they are moving forward with the notion that he’s gone. That was the only reason they hadn’t formalized that signing.

    ——-

    The roster spot doesn’t mean much. Those can always be manipulated as we’ve seen done a thousand times. Certainty in 2014 will only come after the judge rules on the injunction.

  121. BoJo January 15th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    BTW–I am really not sure why people here are sweating the BP, 2B, and 3B options at ST so much. Any fan who has followed this team should know the roster isn’t really set until August 1. There is plenty of time to improve the club. Plenty of time. Relax.

  122. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    “Adler read Team A-Rod’s lawsuit, and he noted paragraph 103, which reads: “Arbitrator Horowitz demonstrated a manifest disregard for the law by admitting into the arbitration record and relying upon unreliable evidence, wholly unauthenticated documents, and hearsay testimony.””

    ——

    I read this article yesterday. Most of it was pretty negative about the lawsuit’s chances which of course is appropriate but one of the lawyers quoted said what I’ve been saying all along–the only arguments that could work are bias and manifest disregard of the law. I think the latter is the most powerful. But the quote I cited above is taken right out of the complaint and is troubling because it’s so embarrassingly stupid. I don’t know lawyers throw garbage in complaints. If I were a judge I would take it as an insult.
    ————————-

    And this speaks to why it’s important to hire the right counsel for the right case. Alex’s lawyers either don’t know the rules of MLB/MLBPA arbitration or don’t think they should apply. Either way, per what we’ve read, Horowitz followed the guidelines of the arbitration process and that’s what matters.

    If Alex’s lawyers think for one minute they’re going to get a federal judge to not only overturn the suspension but do so because they deem the rules of arbitration in violate, they’re nuts.

  123. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    “I’m responding to the topic….which was will Arod play for the Yankees again.”

    That wasn’t the relevant topic. I didn’t ask “will A-Rod play on the Yankees again?” I asked you which Yankees 3B is better?

    Kay said that in his opinion A-Rod will play on the Yankees again and that he’s their best 3B “now,” and you somehow twisted that into “Kay loves A-Rod.” It takes Bret the Hitman level dementia to think that saying the Yankees won’t cut a decent baseball player and he’s better than Kelly Johnson and Scott Sizemore is loving him.

  124. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    mick -

    O’s have a short-sighted cheap owner.

  125. Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Chip is right there is no way a federal judge is going to touch this case. The main reason is the precedent of not interfering in cases where a decision was reached in mutually agreed upon binding arbitration.

  126. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    What would expect him to say, “Since we are now about to sign CK to a massive contract we are tapped out for this year.”
    ——–
    LMAO

    No I expect him to give an honest answer.”We more than doubled our payroll after 2012, and plan to blow away any competition for any player, even if it means doubling the payroll again to over four hundred million.”

    So there !

  127. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    YT-

    Funniest part of this whole MT saga is that no one even knows if he’ll be any good.

    :)

  128. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    “Roberts is not an everyday 2B and doesn’t hit leftys.”

    For 1/2 a season he didn’t hit lefties. On his career he hits LHP better than RHP. There’s also no recent trend beyond 2013: in 2012 he barely played, in 2011 he hit no one, and in 2010 he crushed LHP (116 wRC+ vs. 96 vs. RHP).

    “Johnson and Nunez won’t meet Yankee fielding parameters at 3B.”

    Nunez probably won’t, but he’s still managed >300 PAs in 2 of the last 3 seasons for them.

    Why don’t you think KJ will? I see no reason to think that. I see no reason to think he’s going to win a gold glove, but he’s an adequate 2B with a decent enough arm.

  129. Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    I don’t think extending Kershaw has much to do with pursuing Tanaka as far as the Dodgers are concerned. I credit Magic Johnson with bringing to the Dodgers the concept of winning by accumulating overwhelming firepower; that you can never have too many primetime athletes. Especially starting pitching. And the Dodgers have the money to do just that.

  130. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    MTU

    Glad you are here to keep me in line!

    My message to the Steinbrenner’s – ” Go get this kid, finish the necessary additions to make the Yankees not only return to big stage but fill the seats with avid, excited Yankee Fans. Step up to the plate.”

  131. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Alfredo Aceves and Delmon Young on the same team…I hear they’re working out Elijah Dukes and Lastings Millidge too.

  132. macintosh January 15th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    “O’s have a short-sighted cheap owner.”

    …whose team ended up tied with the yankees with 85 wins each.

  133. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    “That wasn’t the relevant topic. I didn’t ask “will A-Rod play on the Yankees again?” I asked you which Yankees 3B is better?”

    as I said….that’s irrelevant to the initial question because Arod can’t play right now…..and a year from now when he can play who knows if he will be better than what they have then…..I certainly hope they have moved on by then.

  134. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    MTU -

    Re: your email….

    Your concern should not be ours. Control what you can and let the rest be….

  135. blake January 15th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Arod is better than the current 3B they have right now probably…..but he can’t play right now so it doesn’t matter.

  136. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    “Ok, here’s your homework assignment. Go back and read my posts and give me 500 words in the morning.

    Up until this point, you’ve been wrong on substantive law, appellate law and civil procedure. Now you are wrong on the facts too.”

    I give up. You are completely clueless. Now you think you are a schoolteacher? You are living in cloud cuckooland. Bye.

  137. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    “Alex Rodriguez has already incurred the anger of many of his fellow players by suing the Players Association on Monday, but over time, they may come to despise him even more for confirming Major League Baseball’s sweeping powers of punishment.”

    Bad A-Rod. How dare he exercise his rights! Let’s not blame MLB for the overreach but the player for the push back.

    Made me think of this…..

    “In the final years of his life, when home run totals were going haywire and players were lying to the public and Congress was demanding answers, Miller, often derided as aging and out of touch, stayed steadfast to the old ways, the old principles. He implored his old union not to reopen the collective bargaining agreement to satisfy congressional pitchforks, because he knew it would tilt the balance of power back toward the owners, who would not hesitate to pounce.

    Today, with baseball crowing on “60 Minutes,” Miller might never have looked smarter.”

  138. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    It’s obvious that the Kershaw extension is going to really slow down the Tanaka negotiations. Close can’t get serious about Tanaka until Kershaw signs or they agree that the extension won’t happen now. The yanks are going to have to sit and wait until that is taken care of. I still don’t think that the Dodgers would sign both but nothing can happen until Kershaw is taken care of either way.

  139. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Stan Kasten is a very shrewd guy. He advanced quickly thru the ranks as Ted Turners protege. He has studied the Yankees formula for success and like Patton said about Rommel:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?aut.....play%253D1

  140. Mottsx January 15th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    I wonder how the Dodgers will react when they’re approaching a 50% tax hit in a few years just as the yankees are now?

  141. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    “I wonder how the Dodgers will react when they’re approaching a 50% tax hit in a few years just as the yankees are now?”

    Maybe they won’t care. I believe the luxury tax is probably a rounding error on the net worth of the Dodger’s ownership.

  142. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    therealarieber
    Hal Steinbrenner, asked about A-Rod for 2015, calls him an “asset.” Sounds like A-Rod will be welcomed back to Yanks after suspension.

  143. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    @therealarieber

    Hal Steinbrenner, asked about A-Rod for 2015, calls him an “asset.” Sounds like A-Rod will be welcomed back to Yanks after suspension.
    ————-

    ?@DanBarbarisi

    Hal also acknowledged that he has had a conversation with Casey Close, Tanaka’s agent, RE: tanaka. Wouldn’t comment on face-to-face meeting.

  144. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    therealarieber
    Hal could have said no comment, but for him to speak positively about A-Rod for 2015 is a bit of a surprise. More to come…

  145. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    YT-

    He can be as bright as wants and as much of a parrot as he likes but he has long way to go to reach 27.

    The Dodgers will never be the Yankees. No Team will.

    We are nonpareil.

    ;)

  146. blake January 15th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    therealarieber
    Hal Steinbrenner, asked about A-Rod for 2015, calls him an “asset.” Sounds like A-Rod will be welcomed back to Yanks after suspension.

    asset can simply mean somebody they have to pay

  147. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    EricFisherSBJ
    #Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner eyeing upticks in attendance, TV ratings w new stars in ’14 after big drops in both last yr

  148. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Something you have to pay = debt

    Asset= something of value

  149. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    I think that Price is getting a little overrated. Not as a P, but in terms of trade value. The consensus seems to be something like “Shields got them X, so Price should get them substantially more than X.” Price hasn’t actually been a better P than Shields, though, by fWAR or bWAR or ERA. I think that his name value as a former #1 overall pick and his handedness are leading people to overrate him, probably along with his 2012 season. I can see why the Rays would wait out the market to get even more than they did for Shields, but I think that Shields was an overpay by the Royals in the first place and is about as good as Price. Maybe they’ll get the super-package that they seek, but I think expectations are a bit inflated. Instead of trading Profar + or Walker +, where the pluses represent significant assets, for Price these teams can just keep their young guys and spend some money in free agency. They might lose a couple wins between the FA and Price, but they also might more than offset that between their prospects playing for peanuts and the replacements they’d have to find.

    “My message to the Steinbrenner’s – ” Go get this kid, finish the necessary additions to make the Yankees not only return to big stage but fill the seats with avid, excited Yankee Fans. Step up to the plate.””

    I’m still wondering how much better people think Tanaka is going to make the Yankees. I absolutely would like to see them get him, but this idea that they’re going to be a non-contender without him but happy days are here again the minute he signs really confuses me.

  150. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    I think Hal was misquoted, he said “AR is an a*shat”.

    They thought he said “asset”.

    :)

  151. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    @DanBarbarisi
    Hal: “He’s a great player. I have not thought about 2015, nor am I going to right now.”

    Doesn’t sound like Hall is prepared to write a check for $61M anytime soon.

  152. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    @ramonashelburne 2m

    The Dodgers and Clayton Kershaw have agreed on a seven year, $215 million contract, sources have told ESPN. Out after five

  153. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    therealarieber
    Hal Steinbrenner, asked about A-Rod for 2015, calls him an “asset.” Sounds like A-Rod will be welcomed back to Yanks after suspension.
    —————————-

    Makes no sense for the Yankees to have Hal say anything other than that. Doesn’t mean it will be the case though.

  154. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    Kershaw got dat 30 AAV. Nice.

  155. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    Hal is just being politically correct for the moment IMO.

    Playing possum.

    Secretly he is hoping that A-Rod goes over to D-Rob’s house to help him move some things.

    Or maybe works in his own basement w Derek Holland helping out.

    :)

  156. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    I think Hal was misquoted, he said “AR is an a*shat”.

    They thought he said “asset”.

    ———————-

    And here I thought he was just off by two letters when he called Alex an “asset”

  157. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Hal on A-Rod coming to Spring Training: “We’re going to reach out to MLB and get their advice, obviously, but haven’t even addressed it.”

    hmmm. wonder what MLBs advice will be?

  158. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    OK. The show is back on w/o delay.

    :)

  159. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Hal on A-Rod coming to Spring Training: “We’re going to reach out to MLB and get their advice, obviously, but haven’t even addressed it.”

    hmmm. wonder what MLBs advice will be?
    ————————-

    I think it would be fantastic for Alex to come to Tampa. There’s zero downside.

    The team is going to have to answer Alex questions whether he’s there or not, if he’s there, then you stick him on a back field with minor leaguers and guys coming off injuries and let the media swarm him there while Jeter and Tex and CC go about their business with the big boys. Plus, there’s always the chance he can hurt himself.

  160. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    @ramonashelburne

    The Dodgers and Clayton Kershaw have agreed on a seven year, $215 million contract, sources have told ESPN. Opt out after five.

  161. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    OK. So the Dodgers just gave the best Pitcher in baseball a 30 mil per contract.

    What do think they’ll offer a totally unproven Tanaka ?

  162. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Hal said, “Alex can be an asset to a club” He then asked the questioner, “What do you think?”. The reporter agreed.

  163. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    therealarieber
    Hal could have said no comment, but for him to speak positively about A-Rod for 2015 is a bit of a surprise. More to come…

    ——————

    This reminds me of the Brenda, Dylan, Kelly love triangle on 90210. Brenda was doubly betrayed by Dylan when that overly gelled up douche bag slept with her best friend Kelly while she was away in Paris. Brenda was irate and cut them both out of her life. But later at a surprise party for Kelly where she overdosed on diet pills, Brenda saved her when she found her in a bathroom. Everyone (me) just figured she’d let Kelly die there because no one likes Kelly.

    Or maybe this doesn’t remind me of that at all and I really wanted a reason to relive one of the finest love triangles on television.

  164. blake January 15th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    “Something you have to pay = debt

    Asset= something of value”

    I wouldn’t read too much in to anything Hal says.

  165. blake January 15th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    I think that’s a very smart contract for Kershaw…..he can hit free agency again at like age 31 if he wants to and kill it again.

  166. blake January 15th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    @DanBarbarisi
    Hal: “He’s a great player. I have not thought about 2015, nor am I going to right now.”

    Doesn’t sound like Hall is prepared to write a check for $61M anytime soon”

    it doesn’t mean anything at all…..i

  167. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Blake-

    You can be almost certain he will exercise it.

    Opt outs simply mean more money in the long run.

    That’s why MT will get one too.

    ;)

  168. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    7 years/ $215M for Kershaw 5 year opt out

    6 years/$147M for Greinke 3 year opt out plus various bonuses.

    What will Casey Close get for his other client?

  169. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Wow… great deal for the Dodgers, IMO. Kershaw, too, of course, but I think he could have gotten more total dollars if he wanted on the open market.

  170. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    I wouldn’t read too much in to anything Hal says.

    I read that as he has no interest to write him a check to make him go away until he absolutely has to.

  171. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    YT-

    7/140 w a 4 yr opt out from the New York Yankees.

    :)

  172. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    And all the Kobe beef he and his wife can eat.

    :)

  173. blake January 15th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    it’s basically a 5 year deal because unless he gets hurt or something he’s opting out for sure……great deal for both parties but especially for Kershaw

  174. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    I think the Dodgers are done with Tanaka. I would be shocked if they give him $150m now. Everyone thinks that they have unlimited amounts of money but everyone has a limit. With Kershaw, Grienke and Ryu they don’t need him.

  175. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    I still think the Dodgers make a big play for Tanaka. They should, anyway.

    So should we, of course.

  176. blake January 15th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    “I read that as he has no interest to write him a check to make him go away until he absolutely has to.”

    why would you take anything Hal says in public at face value?

  177. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Dodgers are going Yahtzee on the luxury tax for 2014!

  178. Chip January 15th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    I wouldn’t read too much in to anything Hal says.

    I read that as he has no interest to write him a check to make him go away until he absolutely has to.
    —————————

    I also read it as Hal not wanting to give any possible fuel to Team Alex to say that this was all done in some attempt by MLB to help the Yankees get rid of him.

    It’s kind of like when Girardi said at the Beltran press conference that he didn’t know what his outfield alignment would be…when in truth, he knew full well what it would be, but to answer the question honestly would have just irked Soriano and Ichiro.

  179. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Clutch-

    Don’t believe it.

    The Dodgers are really the Federal Reserve Bank.

    Shhhhhsh !

    ;)

  180. pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    why would you take anything Hal says in public at face value?

    because I don’t get to hear what he says in private?

  181. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    MTU

    I think , based on Greinke’s contract that Tanaka will get 7/140 with an opt out at 3 years, maybe four. Also might get other perks for his family with return flights for them over the course of the year.

  182. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    MTU

    Just read yours, my evil twin. We are on the same page :)

  183. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    pat January 15th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
    I wouldn’t read too much in to anything Hal says.

    I read that as he has no interest to write him a check to make him go away until he absolutely has to.

    _________

    I made this point about a week ago. It’s one thing for an outsider to say $61MM is a sunk cost and it makes more sense to just release the headache. It is entirely different when it’s your money you are paying to guy to sit at home and watch TV. Or whatever Arod does.

    Lots of folks in the media last year said Arod, coming back from surgery, would never play again for the Yanks. They were wrong then. They are wrong now.

  184. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    :arrow:

  185. RadioKev January 15th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    That’s a smart contract for Kershaw.

  186. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    “as I said….that’s irrelevant to the initial question because Arod can’t play right now…..and a year from now when he can play who knows if he will be better than what they have then…..I certainly hope they have moved on by then.”

    The initial question for me was not whether A-Rod will be a Yankee, but why you think Kay loves him based on that quote. It would be hard for the quote to be irrelevant in evaluating the quote. He said nothing that demonstrated any real love for A-Rod or bias of any sort, so since I already knew where you stood on the first part of the quote I was trying to see if you agreed with the second half. I wasn’t saying “hey Blake, let’s talk about whatever you want to talk about.” I was asking a specific question. This is your M.O., but continually going back to whatever point you want to make regardless of how the conversation evolves or what you are asked gets really annoying.

    You have made your subjective feelings towards A-Rod very, very clear. We all get it. You hate the guy. Good for you. You and Bret can grab a beer and talk about it in a few years when you’re both legal to drink. The thing I really don’t understand about your stance is the premise you’ve mentioned multiple times that if he’s not a Yankee he’s not going to be in the headlines. I don’t think his media popularity is tied directly to being a member of the Yankees’ org. I also think that people seem to enjoy discussing him for some reason since they won’t just let it go. There are probably hundreds of thousands of words about A-Rod on this blog in the last week alone. I prefer to just ignore it rather than feed the beast.

    Personally, I have no real issue with the guy and, unless they gain something by getting rid of him, I hope the Yankees keep him around to see what kind of value he can provide going forward. Especially when I don’t think there’s an unlimited budget so there’s a good chance I’m going to prefer another usage for their $ than the inconsistent 3B available next off-season. Maybe not, but I’d prefer they maintain the flexibility to find out what opportunities are out there.

  187. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    After looking again at last years mlb team pitching stats, where the Dodgers were amongst leaders in team ERA and opposing hitters BA , and this offseason they solidified both their starting and relief staff. Even if the Yankees get what they wish for from Tanaka, I have concerns.

    . They were amongst the leaders in saves, but now have no Mo, and Thornton who was great, in 2009, replacing Boone Logan. They were amongst the bottom teams in opposing teams batting average. That’s worrisome with only three sure bets right now to makeup the bullpen.

    Tanaka is not the cure all, but he will certainly add excitement and if he’s the real deal the Yankees might have themselves a rookie of the year!

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