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Sorting through a long list of third base candidates

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 15, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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First, don’t forget we’re doing a chat today at noon. Swing by if you can. As for the actual post…

At this point, it seems pretty clear that the Yankees are planning to use Kelly Johnson quite a bit at third base next season. It also seems entirely possible that they’re going to simply gather a large group of potential platoon partners rather than actively pursue one particular player who’s locked into that role heading into spring training. The free agent market isn’t especially inspiring — Mark Reynolds, Jeff Baker, Michael Young, Placido Polanco — and the Yankees might not be willing to make a significant commitment to any one of them.

Without a major third base addition between now and the start of spring training, who might walk into big league camp trying to jump into the mix at the hot corner? Here are 10 names to know, from the favorite to a true long shot:

Johnson (K)KELLY JOHNSON
Bats: Left
Primarily: Second baseman
Major League games at third: 16
Acquired: Signed one-year Major League deal this winter
The Yankees like his left-handed power and his versatility (he’s also played left field), and right now he seems most needed at third base, where he seems to best positioned to become the Yankees regular against right-handed starters.

NunezEDUARDO NUNEZ
Bats: Right
Primarily: Shortstop
Major League games at third: 78
Acquired: International free agent in 2004
Has lacked consistency on both offense and defense during his time in the big leagues, but the Yankees were encouraged by his play in September, and he might be their best in-house option as a right-handed platoon player. Could be optioned to Triple-A.

RyanBRENDAN RYAN
Bats: Right
Primarily: Shortstop
Major League games at third: 29
Acquired: Re-signed to two-year deal this winter
Signed to provide depth and defense at shortstop, Ryan hasn’t played third base since five games in 2008. His glove, though, is hardly the question. Ryan’s light bat isn’t ideal for a third baseman, even in a platoon situation.

AnnaDEAN ANNA
Bats: Left
Primarily: Second baseman
Major League games at third: 0
Acquired: Traded from the Padres this winter
No Major League experience, but he’s played all four infield spots and the outfield corners in the minor leagues. Described as a grinder-type, Anna’s best position is second base, and his best offensive attribute is his career .386 on-base percentage in the minors. He’s on the 40-man roster, but with options.

SizemoreSCOTT SIZEMORE
Bats: Right
Primarily: Third baseman
Major League games at third: 97
Acquired: Signed minor league deal this winter
Although he played mostly second base in the minors, Sizemore has most of his big league time at third. His overall .238/.328/.381 career slash line isn’t inspiring, but he’s hit .272/.357/.422 against lefties. Reportedly turned down major league deals to pursue this opportunity.

MustelierRONNIER MUSTELIER
Bats: Right
Primirily: Left fielder
Major League games at third: 0
Acquired: International free agent in 2011
Split his time pretty evenly between third base and the outfield in Triple-A last season; almost all outfield this winter. Although he played well in big league camp last spring, he’s coming off a so-so Triple-A season when his .718 OPS was almost 100 points lower than his career norm. Also dealt with injuries last season. Not seen as a particularly good fielder.

SolarteYANGERVIS SOLARTE
Bats: Switch
Primarily: Second baseman
Major League games at third: 0
Acquired: Signed minor league deal this winter
No big league time. He’s played every position except pitcher and catcher in the minors. Hit .276/.323/.403 in the hitter-friendly PCL last year (hit .321/.371/.457 against lefties). Had a .418 on-base percentage in Venezuela this winter. Consistently thrived against lefties the past four years.

CanzlerRUSS CANZLER
Bats: Right
Primarily: Left fielder / first baseman
Major League games at third: 0
Acquired: Signed minor league deal this winter
Four-corners utility man with 96 big league at-bats. All of his Major League time has come at first base and left field, but he’s played a lot of third in the minors, with a history of hitting for power, especially against left-handed pitching. Yankees had him on their roster last winter before losing him on waivers just before spring training.

JosephCORBAN JOSEPH
Bats: Left
Primarily: Second baseman
Major League games at third: 0
Acquired: Cleared waivers this winter
A long shot because he’s no longer on the 40-man, and because he’s coming off shoulder surgery, and because he’s not a right-handed hitter. But Joseph is still in the mix somewhere after hitting .279/.363/.424 in his minor league career (got his first big league hit in limited time last year). Defensively he’s better at second than at third.

GarciaADONIS GARCIA
Bats: Right
Primarily: Center fielder
Major League games at third: 0
Acquired: International free agent in 2012
Two years in the Yankees minor league system, Garcia has played exactly one game in the infield, and that was at second base. This winter, though, he’s played more third base than anything else. And he’s shown an ability to hit. The Yankees are intrigued by the 28 year old out of Cuba, unclear whether they truly believe he can be an infielder, though.

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230 Responses to “Sorting through a long list of third base candidates”

  1. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    A Motley crew.

    :)

  2. coney1 January 15th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ung-011514
    ———————
    Well here ya go. Kershaw and Dodgers close to record-breaking extension.

  3. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    Coney-

    Comes as no surprise to me.

    ;)

  4. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    From the excellent summary that Chad posted, hopefully Solarte will get a chance in ST to go North with the team

  5. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    And no surprise to me either. Now will the Yankees end up overbidding for Tanaka?

  6. coney1 January 15th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    MTU,

    Now the Tanaka thing will go 1 of 2 ways. The Dodgers back off Tanaka as a result of the Kershaw extension or their plan was to get both all along and they move on signing Tanaka quickly.

  7. coney1 January 15th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    The Kershaw extension can be overanalyzed to death. The timing may be there to show Tanaka the Dodgers are serious about long-term contention. Or perhaps they moved quickly because they know Tanaka is going to the Yankees.

  8. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Coney-

    I do not believe the Yankees will lose him over money.

    And believe it or not the Dodgers actually do have limits too.

    ;)

  9. coney1 January 15th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    MTU,

    I’m not so sure they do have limits. They seem kinda insane. Could you have seen the Yankees picking up Beckett, Gonzalez, Punto, and Crawford like the Dodgers did? I can’t.

  10. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Keeping Kershaw was simple common sense.

    You do not let the best Pitcher of this generation get away from you.

    Especially if you already have him and are loaded like the Dodgers.

    ;)

  11. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    This might be asking too much but why can’t Cashman turn some surplus into something useful?

    Gardner
    Nunez
    Cervelli

  12. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Since Casey Close represents both, I suspect he will still keep the Dodgers engaged.

  13. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Coney-

    The debts have been piling up.

    They still have to sign Hanley.

    We need Tanaka more than they do.

    ;)

  14. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Bret-

    He can. Just needs to assemble the right package(s).

    One thing sometimes depends upon another.

    ;)

  15. pat January 15th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    1 primarily 3B and it’s Scott Sizemore? :shock:

  16. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    Pat-

    I’m available.

    I work cheap.

    :)

  17. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Gardner
    Nunez
    Cervelli

    =====================

    Everyone has Cervellis and Nunezes. They’re dime a dozen guys. Gardner is the value there, and he only has one year.

  18. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I guess.

  19. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    It makes sense for Kershaw to take the money now, if it’s there. There are a number of good pitchers next season that will interest most teams that would not go into the stratosphere for Kershaw, plus those mega millions evaporate if he becomes injured and is heading into free agency. He’s with a team that will spend to put a winner on the field every year. What more can you ask for?

  20. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    The Yankees whole model is built around being a win-now Team.

    When you are out of the post season you lose a lot of money if you are the Yankees.

    ;)

  21. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    if Kershaw was always going to stay in LA then it’s good that it’s going ahead and happening because it provides some clarity for the Yankees.

  22. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    YT-

    It makes sense because it is a boatload.

    End of story.

  23. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    The Kershaw extension could mean LAD read Tanaka leaning heavily towards Yankees.

  24. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    Blake-

    The Dodgers are the Federal Reserve according to some.

    They just print money.

    Or do they ?

    At some point another very rich Team might need to make a statement too.

    Just a thought.

    ;)

  25. pat January 15th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    MTU

    If I need a Sherpa, you’re my guy!

    It appeasr the Yankees are willing to go with a “primarily a third baseman” instead of a third baseman.

    I’m getting Cody Ransom flashbacks.

  26. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    MTU

    Even though the Angels did not meet with Tanaka last Thursday or Friday, could they jump in and make another big offer, even though they were burned by Pujols?

  27. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Bret-

    Don’t read anything into it.

    They might try to grab both.

    W the Dodgers who frickin’ knows ?

    Sooner later they’ll hit the stops though.

    ;)

  28. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    so I believe this is your plan. Sign Tanaka and Ubaldo now. Trade Nova for a SS? Sign Bailey and Headley next winter?

    That sounds great…..(I approve :) ). The one catch is that the 2015 payroll will probably have to be in the 250 million range to make that happen.

    Tanaka, Ubaldo, Bailey, and Headley is going to cost about 65ish million I would guess…..then add Arod’s returning money to that and you’re up to close to 90 million for those 5 players…..with only Kuroda and Jeter subtracting from that amount. That’s a net addtion in money of some around 60 million bucks!

    I just don’t see Hal going there…..maybe I”m wrong.

  29. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Blake-

    The Yankees are built around winning and being in the post-season.

    If they don’t get there what good is a budget ?

    I rest my case.

    ;)

  30. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:19 am
    The Yankees whole model is built around being a win-now Team.

    ——–
    The same model their Evil Twin is now using!

  31. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    YT-

    I have no real idea but my strong hunch is that it is either Tinsel Town or the Big Apple.

    You do not have to be a Weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing.

    :)

  32. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    No matter what happens keep one thing in mind.

    The Yankees need MT way more than the Men in Blue do.

    ;)

  33. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    YT-

    Then I guess it’s the Battle of the Titans, eh ?

    :)

  34. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Anyone here think the Yankees are satisfied being a 3rd place Team ?

    Raise your hand.

    That’s what I thought.

    No one.

    :)

  35. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Anyway, back at the ranch.

    It’s finally warming up out here.

    Should get 60 this week.

    :)

  36. Tackelberry January 15th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 9:21 am
    The Kershaw extension could mean LAD read Tanaka leaning heavily towards Yankees.

    _________________________________________

    Or it could mean the Dodgers are trying to show Tanaka their committment to winning, at all costs

  37. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Battle of the Titans in the Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves!

  38. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    YT-

    Yup.

    There can only be 1 Highlander.

    :)

  39. Tackelberry January 15th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    I’d be pretty happy if Yanks add Tanaka this year and Bailey next year. Figure this is it for Kuroda this year. Yanks could feature a staff of CC, Tanaka, Bailey, Pineda, Banuelos. That wouldb be the youngest staff they’ve had in years. Would love to have Scherzer, but I doubt the Tigers let hiim get away.

  40. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Tackel-

    If everything goes right you just might see it.

  41. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    MTU,

    you dont need to convince me of that…..you need to convince Hal. I’m sure he realizes they need to win to prevent revenue loss…..but I still think there is a limit to where he will allow the payroll to go. Would be push it to 250? He might if the tax rate was re-set……I don’t think he will authorize going over this year and then allow them to spend a bunch more next year though. JMO

  42. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    I just don’t see Hal going there…..maybe I”m wrong.

    ==================================

    I don’t think he’s going there at all. I think this shopping spree is it. If he gets Tanaka, that’ll be Hal’s second spending spree of $400M plus in 5 years. Now it’s going to be on Cashman to get some production of the NYY farm system, something he has failed pretty spectacularly at since the last shopping spree. If the farm isn’t producing some contributors in a year or two, I think Hal will hand the keys to someone else.

  43. Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    I personally don’t believe Gardner has as much trade value as some here may think, unless he’s packaged with someone like Sanchez, etc. That having been said I do like the idea of moving him if you can get equal value. No power defensive speedsters who can’t steal based have a very limited shelf life as their legs age.

  44. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Someone took at least a 50 million dollar bite out Hal’s a*s last season.

    He’s still feeling it.

    :)

  45. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Bret

    I think Tackelberry’s assumption is more likely. I believe the Dodgers and Close were engaged also with Kershaw during this period.

    The Dodgers would be loaded with both Kershaw and Tanaka to go with Greinke, Ryu, Haren, Billingsley, Beckett and their signing of about every good bullpen arm that was available. Talk about overkill!

  46. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I think you can look at the Dodgers and Kershaw 2 different ways…..it could suggest a variety of things or nothing at all.

    1) it could suggest they have moved on from Tanaka and decided to focus on getting their guy signed.
    2) it could mean that they needed to get Kershaw signed first before even considering spending big on Tanaka
    3) it could mean they want both
    4) it could mean nothing at all.

    either way….the Yanks are going to have to bid the most money to get him most likely…..if they aren’t willing to pay the most money then they aren’t getting him and they probably know that.

  47. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I am not the last defender of the Realm.

    Pat-

    I can lead you anywhere. Question is, will you follow ?

    :)

  48. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    I personally don’t believe Gardner has as much trade value as some here may think, unless he’s packaged with someone like Sanchez, etc. That having been said I do like the idea of moving him if you can get equal value. No power defensive speedsters who can’t steal based have a very limited shelf life as their legs age.

    ____________

    Joeman and I approve.

  49. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    “I don’t think he’s going there at all. I think this shopping spree is it. If he gets Tanaka, that’ll be Hal’s second spending spree of $400M plus in 5 years.”

    agreed….I’m just going on their history but after 2008 he shut it down for like 5 years. Now if they stopped here and got under the cap and re-set the tax rate then I could see him allowing them to spend big again next year maybe…..but if they go over to get Tanaka I think that’ll probably be it as well……and they’ll have to just figure out the infield mess somehow….via trade or just patchwork. Hal has made it clear he will go to the 220-230 range with the payroll…..he hasn’t let them go beyond that and I don’t see him starting now when the goal was actually to reduce the payroll.

  50. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Trader,

    The Dodgers have committed to Kershaw and they have their rotation set. You are imagining overkill that doesn’t exist and probably won’t exist. Plus they have to sign Hanley Ramirez. They passed on Cano. There is a limit.

  51. Tackelberry January 15th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Blake is probably right. Yanks will really need to outbid everyone to get Tanaka. If Yanks and Dodgers bids are pretty close, I’d bet he chooses L.A.

  52. sunny615 January 15th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    jeezus christ that list is pathetic. Another “bridge year”… woot.

  53. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    My list of current Yankees and their trade value:
    It’s a short list:

    Nova

    And further down the list because they are free agents-
    Robertson
    Gardner

    Then it’s the minor league talent, the next potential rookie of the year-

    Couldn’t find any.

  54. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    If LA gets Kershaw signed then their need and urgency on Tanaka should decrease….yes they could still get him but they really don’t “need” him anywhere close to as much as the Yankees do.

    With a locked up Kershaw….if the Dodgers go ahead and outbid the Yankees for Tanaka then we really will know that the 2 clubs are playing in different arenas……

  55. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    if the yankees are thinking of keeping the payroll around $200M then they will rapidly see teams passing them. the dodgers are there the tigers, red socks, angels and rangers will pass them too.

    there is no excuse for the ny yankees to be the third or fifth largest payroll in baseball.

  56. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Bret

    I’m talking about overkill this year. They can sign both, let Beckett go along with Ramirez. move Guerrero, a SS over and if Kemp is healthy trade him for prospects

    They would also have enough pitching to include some of their pitching in trades.

    I’m not taking any chances with either of the LA teams.

  57. blake January 15th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    “if the yankees are thinking of keeping the payroll around $200M then they will rapidly see teams passing them. the dodgers are there the tigers, red socks, angels and rangers will pass them too.”

    I don’t know that anyone else besides the Dodgers will go beyond 189…..I think a lot of teams will creep right up to that limit but stay under.

    The problem for the Yankees is that they just don’t have any cheap players of their own to offset big contracts…..it’s killing them.

  58. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    Having the largest payroll does not insure success.

    But spending money on quality players when you need them does.

    If that means a lot of money so be it.

    The cost of losing is far greater in the long run.

    ;)

  59. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    blake-

    Neither do the Dodgers.

    How are they doing it ?

    ;)

  60. Tackelberry January 15th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    The one 3b candidate who intrigues me is Adonis Garcia. The guy had a pretty good year with the bat, and did very well in the Winter League, hitting 8 home runs. Hope he gets a logn look this Spring. Could be a better option than Nunez as a righty platoon at 3rd.

  61. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Beckett is off the books after next season and Haren’s on an affordable 1 year+option deal that can be traded if he performs and the option won’t vest if he underperforms. LAD can easily extend Kershaw and sign Tanaka if that is what they want.

    Yankees just have to offer more.

  62. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    tackle-

    How’s the glove over there though ?

  63. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    So what do think JF.

    Will they ?

  64. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    And there is always the concern that Tanaka, and not because of the rumor that his wife prefers the west coast, might feel that the Dodgers gives him the best chance of getting to the World Series and the better chance of scoring runs, better defense and a better lockdown bullpen, that, and I know money talks, but he might just be willing to take a few million less to play with the Dodgers and drive a Lexus, rather than an Aston Martin!

  65. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    The Dodgers would be loaded with both Kershaw and Tanaka to go with Greinke, Ryu, Haren, Billingsley, Beckett and their signing of about every good bullpen arm that was available. Talk about overkill!

    =====================================

    Beckett, Haren and Billingsley are all gone next year.

  66. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    The one 3b candidate who intrigues me is Adonis Garcia.

    He is a poor fielding outfielder by trade, so not sure he is a 3B candidate, as he was moved from the infield because he wasn’t very good there.

  67. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Has he been playing third in winter league? The Yankees haven’t played him there at all in the minors.

  68. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    i think the long list of 3b possibilities works against the guys on the back end. if the position was settled by an arod, he can take time off and they can give these young guys a look. in this case, they need kelley johnson to get alot of work at 3b as well as brenan ryan (both of whom are not normally 3bmen)

    so i think there are less AB’s and less innings available for the back end guys, anna, mustelier and sizemore.

    the guys behind them have no shot.

  69. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    “Neither do the Dodgers.”

    well they have Puig, and they have Pederson coming…..the Dodgers farm has more close options than the Yankees do and the other thing is that they don’t seem to care as much about money…..also they don’t have nearly as much dead money on their books. Most of the players they are paying can still play.

  70. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    “Beckett is off the books after next season and Haren’s on an affordable 1 year+option deal that can be traded if he performs and the option won’t vest if he underperforms. LAD can easily extend Kershaw and sign Tanaka if that is what they want.”

    sure they can….but they don’t need him nearly as much as the Yankees do. They have the best pitcher in baseball and one of the best #2′s in baseball already. If the Yankees let the Dodgers get him then it’s pretty clear who the new boss of baseball is…..

  71. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    I can’t believe the Yankees have Kelly Johnson, Brian Roberts, AND Brendan Ryan on the 40 man.

  72. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Yea Blake, the yankees have the biggest need, just waiting for them to drop the hammer and close it out.

  73. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    if the yankees are thinking of keeping the payroll around $200M then they will rapidly see teams passing them. the dodgers are there the tigers, red socks, angels and rangers will pass them too

    ===================================

    Red Sox won’t go to $200M any time soon. They have a ton coming off the books next year. Dust mite is the only guy signed for 2016 right now. That’s it. $13M committed in ’16. The Dodger deal left them with ridiculous flexibility.

  74. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    JF

    MT will still hold the record for the most lucrative Contract afforded a Japanese baseball player.

    Money does talk, but the chance of winning, if I was in his shoes would be my deciding factor.

    The Yankees, and this is just an opinion, are going to have to guarantee his agent and him, that they are still going to move forward and surround him with talent, and give him an opt out at three years if the Steinbrenner’s fail.

  75. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    JF-

    It was me who asked not Blake.

    Glad you are a believer.

    ;)

  76. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    YT-

    What do you think McCann, Ellsbury, And Beltran were ?

    Bupkus ?

    :)

  77. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    having only pedroia signed is great! except you need 25 guys to compete and they’re not coming cheap.

    if the guys they’re developing turn out to be good, they’re all set. or if they dont pan out, they will be shelling out the big bucks just like everyone else.

    3 years (til the end of this cba) is a long time and alot of things can and will happen.

  78. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    If the Yanks don’t get Tanaka I think they should fold up shop….get under 189 and then treat look to start competing again in 2015……they might could grab a WC with the current roster if everything comes up roses but 2015 should be the new target. Some of their prospect might be ready by then and they could also spend a bunch more money presumably after re-setting the tax rate.

    I want to win in 2014 but I want more for them to build something that can contend longterm again.

    It’s possible that they could add Sanchez, Heathcott, Hanley or Headley, and a good starter next winter. Add that to what they have and it could be a good club in 2015.

    Basically I just don’t want to tie up a bunch of bad money just to marginally increase their odds next year……I want to be good and contend for titles long term and getting under the cap might actually help them do that more than signing Ubaldo Jimenez

  79. DONNYBROOK January 15th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    - WED MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) R\Sox are the team Yanks will face off against for Tanaka. Ellsbury fallout.

    (2) Reynolds (R) bat fits nicely. Especially with A-Rod and Wells gone. Minor league contract

    (3) Barring injuries, Nunez doesn’t go North. Trade value almost Destroyed. Throw in.

    (4) Tremendous value in Gardner D. Outside of 1 season, he’s close to Ellsbury. VALUE

    (5) Curious what CC weighs. Gimme 25 lbs, I give you 19 W’s.

    (6) Hal needs to get Robertson a safety net, or Girardi tranquilizers. Stanhouse\Weaver

  80. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    im totally against the opt out. when you’re paying top dollar there is no reason to offer the guy a way to force you to pay him more.

    the arod opt out is the biggest disaster in sports contract history and the cc opt out cost them $50M which does not look to be well spent looking forward from today.

  81. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    What do you think McCann, Ellsbury, And Beltran were ?

    The Yankees had to sign someone. They can’t get away with a 100-150 million payroll, so they had to spend somewhere. They had so much money coming off the roster that they were inevitably going to spend a lot. The only reason everyone gasps about how much HAL has spent in the offseason is because the total commitments look large. The TV money is increasing every year for the next 30 years, revenues are increasing in the sport.

    I wish people would look at it like “Yankees sign 3 players in offseason (payroll still massively below prior 2 year average)” instead of “WOW! YANKEES SPEND 400 MILLION IN 1 OFFSEASON (no they didnt)”

  82. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    You guys make it sound like we have absolutely no Farm system.

    We do. And it is fairly well rated.

    Just because it hasn’t produced the way we hope yet doesn’t mean that won’t change tomorrow.

    We have 4 very good young OF prospects nearing or at the upper levels.

    A potentially great young C in Sanchez.

    Banuelos and J-ram are both healthy and at AAA.

    Have at least a little hope.

    The situation isn’t as glum as you make it IMO.

    The fortunes of MiLB players can turn on a dime.

    One breakout by one player change it all.

    ;)

  83. Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    the arod opt out is the biggest disaster in sports contract history and the cc opt out cost them $50M which does not look to be well spent looking forward from today.’

    I tend to disagree. The a-rod opt out was only a disaster because they re-signed him. In reality, it would have let them avoid ALL of the bad back end of the contract had they let him walk.

    Same with the CC opt out. The opt outs are only a problem if the team cannot analyze how good the player is, how good they are going forward, and need of the team. In an imaginary world where the Yankees actually have good player development, maybe the opt outs wouldn’t have hurt so bad.

  84. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    having only pedroia signed is great! except you need 25 guys to compete and they’re not coming cheap.

    =====================

    Really just speaking to the flexibility, Y’s. For example, I’d rather be Boston and have 1 $13M commitment for 2016 right now than I would the Yankees who have 6 players committed for $122M, including one guy who will likely never play for them again.

  85. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    No BUPKUS.

    But geez, when I(Tanaka) visited Yankee Stadium in 2006, I met Matsui, and saw Jeter and Posada, and watched the greatest closer of all time shut down the opposing team.

    Who will be saving my games now. I know “Who’s” on First, but “What’s his name” is on third.

  86. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    i totally reject the idea that all cc needs is to be heavier. i really hope he’s not buying that bs.

    he’s going into this middle 30s and he will not fare well carrying all that extra weight going forward.

  87. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    “You guys make it sound like we have absolutely no Farm system.”

    I’m tired of waiting on them…..they gotta show me from now on.

  88. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    JF-

    IMO that’s irrelevant.

    They are all good.

    And contribute to a decent O.

    The point being it shows a commitment to having an improved offense for Tanaka, or any other pitcher wanting to come over.

    ;)

  89. Blojaldo January 15th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    This is a great battle for Tanaka and he can’t lose either way. The Yankees and Dodgers are very different when it comes to management. The Yankees are in essence the Steinbrenner family and the Dodgers are a diverse business group. Both have almost unfathomable amounts of money and the resources and connections to expand their financial revenue stream. Both can afford him and then some. It’s classic New York versus LA. It’s the theater versus movies, it’s the concrete jungle versus the beach. Japanese population? Los Angeles – 51K and New York – 22K. Los Angeles has better sushi and mansions on the beaches of Malibu and Manhattan Beach or in the Hollywood Hills an hour away from Chavez Ravine. New York is, well, New York. Arguably the most famous, dynamic city in the world. If the money is equal – I give Los Angeles the edge. Hope I am wrong.

  90. yankinvegas January 15th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    By the way, the Dodgers have no cheap players of their own either. The new ownership has spent crazy money on Puig, Guerrero, the deal with Boston, Ethier, Ryu, Greinke plus the Kemp deal that preceded them.
    Part of me says let them get Tanaka so that the hatred of the media and MLB will be on them for a while.
    But knowing that the hatred of the Yankees is overwhelming, combined with the fact that the need for Tanaka is so great, I believe that Hal will allow this acquisition. But the faucet will be shut down until after the 2018 season when Trout and/or Harper could be available. I’d bet on harper.
    Between now and then every big expenditure must be offset by a similar contract going off the books.
    Cashman better get the development system up to par.
    Even by saying that, I, for some reason, have very positive feelings about Banuelos and Pineda.

  91. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    The Yankees need Tanaka. Badly. The Dodgers just want him. If the Dodgers do end up with the right-hander, who went 24-0 with a 1.27 ERA last year, it would tell us that the Yankees are no longer the Yankees. The Dodgers are now the Yankees. Their stadium just happens to have palm trees running along it instead of a subway line.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-an.....te-yankees

    yup

  92. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Jerkface January 15th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    the arod opt out is the biggest disaster in sports contract history and the cc opt out cost them $50M which does not look to be well spent looking forward from today.’

    I tend to disagree. The a-rod opt out was only a disaster because they re-signed him. In reality, it would have let them avoid ALL of the bad back end of the contract had they let him walk.

    Same with the CC opt out. The opt outs are only a problem if the team cannot analyze how good the player is, how good they are going forward, and need of the team. In an imaginary world where the Yankees actually have good player development, maybe the opt outs wouldn’t have hurt so bad.
    ======================================
    all good points jf. i guess i meant that the resignings were the real problem
    but with opt outs you’re pretty much left hanging. there is no certainty, you cant really plan ahead with these guys and once they do opt out, you’re left with nothing but bad decisions.

    i think the teams put themselves at a tremendous disadvantage by giving these opt outs

    and btw i registered my misgivings about the cc extension at the time, but there was almost no opposition to it here.

  93. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    I am not going to be last defender of the Realm.

    Not taking on that task.

    Believe what you want to believe.

    If you think our Farm stinks. fine. believe it.

    You think we are eternally wedded to 189. Fine. believe it.

    If you think we can’t generate a viable plan. Fine. believe it.

    If you think we can never make a worthwhile trade for a need. Fine. believe it.

    Believe anything you want.

    It’s fine with me.

    I just don’t.

    :)

  94. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    I would be shocked if the Dodgers give Kershaw $300m and then turn around and sign Tanaka. I think that all along they wanted to get Kershaw done so they know he is signed and then they are done going after Tanaka. All along they were probably involved with Tanaka in case they couldn’t sign Kershaw. They wanted to know that they had one of them signed long term. It’s just weird that they have the same agent.

  95. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    “By the way, the Dodgers have no cheap players of their own either. The new ownership has spent crazy money on Puig, Guerrero, the deal with Boston, Ethier, Ryu, Greinke plus the Kemp deal that preceded them.”

    most of those players are still good though….that’s the biggest difference. The Yankees biggest contracts are 1) guy who can’t play anymore and just got suspended for 162 games 2) 1B would is a shell of the guy they signed 3) pitcher with just posted a 5 ERA.

    The Dodgers at least are getting a return on their investment

  96. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    MTU

    Not trying to be pessimistic here, but this thing is not over till the fat lady sings, and again, just an opinion, mister Tanaka might not sign with the team offering the most dinero.

    Look at the current makeup of the Yankees and the Dodgers, and throw in the Angels and even the Red Sox, as well as the Rangers. Who knows who will be a mystery team?

    Which one of the above is more of a finished product and has the least ? Marks and Holes to fill?

  97. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    YT-

    That is true.

    There are things no Team can control but my point was/is I don’t think money will be the thing that stops us.

    Our need is much greater.

    ;)

  98. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    And YT-

    I am not saying we will wind up w MT.

    If we don’t we’ll move on to the next horse.

    I’m OK w that too.

  99. TopChuckie January 15th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    I think the whole 3B, and 2B, situation will come down to simply who can be sent to the minors and who can’t. Barring anyone being completely worthless in ST, nothing will be decided in ST. Those that can be sent down will be, and those that can’t will get the first shot on the 25-man. They will simply want to keep all their options open for as long as possible.

    I think they made Sizemore some promises and gave him opt outs, so I suspect it will be Roberts, Johnson, and Sizemore rotating between 2B and 3B, Ryan will pretty much just back up Jeter.

    All the rest to the minors waiting for Roberts to get hurt or Johnson and/or Sizemore to suck. Whoever rakes the most in the minors will get first shot.

  100. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    the mets really SHOULD be all in on tanaka, but they’re not even playing.

    their park screams for them to go pitching-first and they should have the money given their cheap payroll, plus harvey, syndergaard and wheeler are a long way from making any serious money.

    but they’re just being cheap.

  101. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    The Dodgers’ payroll with Kershaw is over $240M, I think. They don’t care. They want to win and make a lot of income. Where did they get that model?

    As Shame so aptly put it last year, I hate the Dodgers.

    Them signing Tanaka would come as no surprise to anyone.

  102. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    I’ve got a couple of minutes, so….

    Arbitration is a good time for an extension for Kershaw. They are going to be negotiating anyway. Plus he was going to get 20ish, so why not save the potential animosity that sometimes comes from that process?

    Tanaka whispers non-existent. There is nothing coming from either side on this. Nothing. Some have speculated that since there are no credible leaks, the parties are still discussing. That’s reasonable. We’ll see.

    There’s been some chatter about a Gardner for Franklin trade. Could make sense. I think several internet-types have weighed in on it, which matters not, it’s just happy horsespit….

    Nice job by Chad, btw. Hopefully someone steps up from the group. The potential is there.

  103. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Obviously….
    ——-

    @newsdaymarcus

    #Yankees: Team official says expect no roster additions until Tanaka situation is resolved.

  104. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Quick question. Do the pitchers in Japan get to bat?

  105. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    So they’ve been working on an extension since last July but now they are a couple days away from signing one? All of this occurring less than a week before the Tanaka deadline? Coincidence?

    I’ve said from the beginning that I didn’t think the Dodgers were desperate enough for Tanaka and that their interest would always be tied to Kershaw. That is apparently true. I believe this makes the Yanks the clear front-runner. I also believe they are not alone. I think there’s another team lurking. I said weeks ago that there would be three finalists when we got down to the last week. The Rule of Three usually applies in these matters.

    On a different take, it’s interesting that they are talking about an opt-out with Kershaw at maybe 5 years. Greinke has a six year with a three year opt-out. These provisions seem to be huge benefits for the player by providing a type of market inflation insurance. I’m not sure there’s any benefit to the team. I think the opt-out makes the total value of the contract worth much more, in dollars that is, than what’s actually reported. Like to see someone do some quantitative analysis on that.

    But since Grienke and Kershaw are both Close clients, can we assume Tanaka will have an opt-out too?

  106. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Tanaka has been on a Team like the AL I believe.

  107. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Dan-

    It won’t be an issue IMO.

    Put it that way.

    ;)

  108. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    There’s been some chatter about a Gardner for Franklin trade

    ===============================

    Interesting.

  109. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    “There’s been some chatter about a Gardner for Franklin trade. Could make sense. I think several internet-types have weighed in on it, which matters not, it’s just happy horsespit….”

    does that make sense for the Mariners? I guess maybe if they could sign Gardner…..

  110. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Isn’t Franklin a 2b ?

  111. Mottsx January 15th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Tanaka only has 42 Career PA’s so im assuming he didn’t have to hit. Where those PA’s came from I can’t imagine.

    http://www.baseball-reference......rd_batting::none

  112. Captain Clutch January 15th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    I would assume that Seattle is lurking in the background on the Tanaka talks. I think the yanks will get him if Hal opens the wallet and shows that they really want him. Otherwise one of these other teams like the Mariners or Angels will sneak in there and sign him. AL teams on the west coast.

  113. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    franklin in the minors : 261 games at SS, 122 games at 2b.

  114. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    I just answered my own question.

    Franklin is a 2b.

    Do we need a 2b or a SS or 3b ?

    Maybe we get both ?

    ;)

  115. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    the last 2 seasons in the minors franklin has played more games at 2b than ss.

  116. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    thanks Y’s.

    :)

  117. wanzies222 January 15th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Tanaka doesn’t hit. Whispers say he’s not a fan of hitting, but that’s unconfirmed.

    Franklin is a 2B.

    Casey Close negotiates opt outs for his big clients. Makes sense.

  118. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Who replaces GGBG in left ?

    Almonte ? De Aza ?

  119. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    “Isn’t Franklin a 2b ?”

    he can play both…..but we need both.

  120. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Steve-

    Let’s put it this way. CC he is not.

    :)

  121. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    “Who replaces GGBG in left ?

    Almonte ? De Aza ?”

    my guess is that if they trade Gardner that Soriano becomes the LFer and they rotation the DH…..maybe they hope Heathcott will be ready enough to be a 4th outfielder soon,…..I dunno.

  122. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    OK Blake.

    Where do I sign ?

    :)

  123. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    I would think the Mariners would be more willing to deal Ackley than Franklin….

  124. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    blake-

    I dunno is not a good answer.

    :)

  125. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Thanks for the feedback. Maybe we found another reason he wants to pitch with the Yankees. Less chance he’ll ever have to step in the batters box! :)

    The Dodgers led all teams in attendance last year and showed a 5000/ game increase. While the Yankees led the AL teams in attendance they had close to a 3500/game decrease from the year before, which would have been even worse if not for the fact that Rivera was retiring and had a big celebration in September.

    Getting Tanaka should help with that

  126. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    “Getting Tanaka should help with that”

    Ya’ Think ?

    :)

  127. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    It’s going to be like 85 today in LA. Is it still January?

  128. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    “Who replaces GGBG in left ?

    ___________

    Ellsbury-CF
    Beltran-DH/RF
    Soriano-LF/DH
    Ichiro-RF/LF/CF

  129. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    If MT decides on the Yankees he’d better like pressure.

    :)

  130. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Bret-

    Terrible.

    No thanks.

    I said “replace”. I didn’t say “insert”, or “cutout”.

  131. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    I’ve never seen Franklin play. 12 HR in 100 games? Wow, totally blocked by Cano as well.

  132. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Who replaces GGBG in left
    =================
    soriano

  133. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Dan-

    Been warming up here too.

    Around 60.

  134. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Y’s-

    His D is completely inferior to Brett’s.

  135. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Time to go

    The mystery team/teams in order are Angels, Red Sox, and Rangers.

    Tanaka will choose no later than Saturday, Japan time, then come back to have a more complete physical. He will have an opt out.7/140 gets it done. It will be between the Dodgers and the Yankees.

    Just my opinion, apt to change at any time!

    Have a great day!

  136. Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am
    Bret-

    Terrible.

    ________

    You’d be hard pressed to find a better group of OF’ers.

  137. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    later YT.

  138. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    bret-

    You have to be kidding.

    Soriano as a mainstay on D ?

    Avg. at best. And I’d say that’s generous.

    Ichiro forgot what a bat was.

  139. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    I forgot Ichiro existed…..yea I guess he could play out there some.

  140. Kelvin January 15th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    And for those that asked, yes Darvish and MT are great friends. Fun fact: MT’s first twitter follower is Yu Darvish.

  141. UpState January 15th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Bret The Hitman January 15th, 2014 at 10:51 am
    I’ve never seen Franklin play. 12 HR in 100 games? Wow, totally blocked by Cano as well.
    =============================================

    Franklin playing SS for Seattle ?

    If not – he’s nothing to them.

    Gardner is an over-pay.

  142. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    You trade GGBG you need a decent replacement.

    De Aza is one and can be had IMO.

    Trade one of our BUC for him.

    We’ve got 3 of them.

    :)

  143. blake January 15th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    “If not – he’s nothing to them.”

    he’s not nothing to them….he’s one of their better young players. Actually I doubt they’d trade 6 year’s of him to rent gardner.

  144. UpState January 15th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    He’s going to play SS for Seattle ?

  145. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    “This might be asking too much but why can’t Cashman turn some surplus into something useful?

    Gardner
    Nunez
    Cervelli”

    None of that is surplus. Gardner is their starting LF. Nunez still has a chance to play a major role in the wide-open IF if he brings his A-game. Cervelli is their BUC, and fits well next to McCann since he has crushed LHP in limited time in MLB. (Nunez and Cervelli have also been very inconsistent and probably don’t have a lot of trade value relative to their potential.)

    What do you want to get for those guys that is more “useful” than a starting LF, an IF candidate, and a BUC? Certainly a trade may emerge, but there’s no motivation to move those guys unless someone gives you a strong return.

  146. yankinvegas January 15th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Three observations -
    1 – all of us Yankees fans should appreciate the TWENTY years of sustained excellence we have just experienced. I know this new reality sucks, but before we move on we should remember the recent past.
    2 – that said, it’s hard to believe that a team with a 220 + million payroll could be such a mess. That goes on Cashman and the absolute embarrassment of a developmental system that he supervises
    3 – read the link on Matthews” tweet about the Dodgers stealing Tanaka from us and you will understand two things – the hatred that other cities have for NYY and the fact that while the NY media HATES the Yankees, other cities media want their team to be good

  147. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    this seems wrong to me but check it out:

    WAR 2013:
    gardner 3.2
    beltran 2.0
    soriano 2.9
    mc cann 2.7

  148. blake January 15th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    trading Gardner for Franklin would shave some money as well…..

  149. blake January 15th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    “He’s going to play SS for Seattle ?”

    I’m not sure;……I think he’s an option for them there.

  150. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Y’s-

    Most of Soriano’s WAR is his stick I’d imagine.

  151. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    So let’s talk Arod, because I know everyone wants to!

    The good news is, it’s going to be “Arod Quiet” for awhile. MLB has 20 days to file an answer to the complaint, but that’s not really important. In the interim they will file a motion to dismiss. That’s one of the key disposition points in the timeline. If MLB succeeds in getting a judge to dismiss the case, they’ll be no trial, probably little or no discovery, and functionally Arod’s case goes away for good. I talked about this event in November. The problem is the judge needs to schedule a hearing for that and there’s a bunch of papers filed before that takes place. I said in November, I thought the hearing could occur in March. I think that’s possible, but it may bleed to April or even later. Hard to predict that. Depends on the judge and his disposition with deadlines.

    But the most important next event is Arod’s application for an injunction. I said a long time ago that I thought Arod would file his complaint with an application for a judge to immediately hear his TRO. But the problem with that was timing since ST is still weeks away and Arod won’t be suspended till March 31. His lawyers got around that by filing without a request for an injunction, but they still will make that application and call it a motion for a preliminary injunction. It’s basically the same thing as a TRO. If granted, the suspension is lifted until the case is over. Remember the case could end in March, April or May with a motion to dismiss. Or it can end with a trial which could be the end of this year or next. So conceivable, if Arod gets his injunction, he could play all of 2014.

    But I’ve said this for awhile, Arod won’t go to ST unless he gets an injunction. That’s the key. I suspect his lawyers will file that application in the next couple weeks. The judge may request an evidentiary hearing on that so they’ll need some time to set that up. If he fails on the injunction, I think the case is really over then but it still could go to trial later in the year or next year if the complaint is not dismissed through MLB’s motion to dismiss.

    So that’s the next thing to look for. The motion for the Preliminary Injunction.

  152. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    arod’s ‘going to ST’ threat is just to support his lawsuit.

    he’s not going to ST.

  153. blake January 15th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    I’d just like to say that CC is being a very brave man in the picture above….

  154. blake January 15th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    I only want Arod at ST if he is there to drop off some gummies for Tex

  155. macintosh January 15th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    “The Dodgers led all teams in attendance last year and showed a 5000/ game increase. While the Yankees led the AL teams in attendance they had close to a 3500/game decrease from the year before, ”

    i think it’s kind of cute how you all keep trying to figure out the yankees when it’s been obvious they are in a total downward spiral and have been for over a year. i get it that baseball is an addiction ,but come on, the past year was a total waste and not worth following. supporting them was just a form of enabling. it slowed down hal looking at the problems.

    the loss of revenue from the attendance decline is however a belated a wake up call to ownership.

    i will give you that right now that signing tanaka could change everything. not just his actual contributions on the field, but also it would signify a change in the way hal does things.

    if the yankee sign tanaka i’ll be back on board. if they don’t, it’ll juts be more of the same old same old dna double spiral downward.

    they are an 85 win team right now.
    they need tanaka.
    let’s see if hal has at least a little of his dad in him.

    this is his time.
    put up or shut up time for hal.

    tanaka or bust .

  156. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Steve-

    If you’re still around.

    You’ve got mail.

    :)

  157. AAA January 15th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    He’s going to play SS for Seattle ?

    =======================

    Sounds like the M’s view Brad Miller as their SS right now.

  158. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Golden Delicious-

    I’m w ya’.

    ;)

  159. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    i think its a joke when people say the yankee are an 85 win team then say they have no chance to compete.

    so you’re saying that your power to predict the # of yankee wins (on january 15th) is accurate to less than what 3 games? because 88 puts them into the playoff race right into the last week of the season.

    ridiculous. but you were looking for fellow ‘fans’ to give up on this season yesterday, so…

  160. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    The goal for the NYY’s should not be a WC spot.

    ;)

  161. UpState January 15th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    AAA January 15th, 2014 at 11:14 am
    He’s going to play SS for Seattle ?

    =======================

    Sounds like the M’s view Brad Miller as their SS right now.

    ——————————————-

    Agreed.

    Miller……….23YO….300ab ….. 8-36—.265 (.318obp)
    Franklin……22YO….370ab … 12-45 –.225 (.303obp)….really a 2b

    Ackley’s re-learning how to play OF.

  162. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    “i think it’s kind of cute how you all keep trying to figure out the yankees when it’s been obvious they are in a total downward spiral and have been for over a year.”

    It’s easy to have 20/20 hindsight. That they had a bad 2013 tells us little about how 2014 is going to go, though. People like to extend momentum into the future, but it’s a fools errand. It’s why people have such terrible timing in the stock market. When people observe that others are making money in a given market, they pile on and inflate prices in that market creating a self-fulfilling bubble. Same in the other direction. Your belief that this “total downward spiral” will inevitably continue is another manifestation of this aspect of human nature.

    “i will give you that right now that signing tanaka could change everything. not just his actual contributions on the field, but also it would signify a change in the way hal does things.”

    The Yankees just signed Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran, Kuroda, Jeter… and signing Tanaka will “change” the way they do business? It seems that it would be an extension of exactly what they’ve already done this off-season, not a change in anything. They went out and signed the best C and best OF on the market, now they might sign the best SP on the market (if they didn’t already do that in Kuroda).

  163. Your Worst Nightmare January 15th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    That’s cuz ‘macintosh’ is a Yankee hater / Red Sox troll

  164. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    I thought Franklin was just a pipe dream and Ackley was more realistic… if they can get Franklin for Gardner I’d probably do it.

  165. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    I wish they gave Ellsbury an opt out in year 3 or 4 of that deal.

  166. Ted Nelson January 15th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    “i think its a joke when people say the yankee are an 85 win team then say they have no chance to compete.”

    Absolutely. It’s not just macintosh, either. A ton of fans on here say things about 85 wins, .500 team, or non-contender as if they can actually predict within a few games how many games a team will win. (Same fans were probably predicting a WS for the Jays and a top 5 pick in 2014 for the Red Sox last off-season, of course.) Those same fans routinely turn around and say “unless they add Tanaka.” As if Tanaka is somehow the difference between a .500 team with no hope of contention and a strong contender.

  167. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    I’ve got an opt out in my contract.

    We all do.

    Likely will never exercise it though.

    ;)

  168. JimK January 15th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Bigdan22, I know the Rodriguez arbitration has been beaten to death, but based on your previous replies you state the arbitrator violated the law; I am curious as to what law was violated?
    One other thing; Although I believe Horowitz’ finding of three 1st time offenses defies logic and commonsense, his “interpretation” meets the standard as set forth in the following excerpt from a recent Supreme Court decision on overturning an arbitrator’s award:

    “Justice Kagan first noted the standard for relief under §10(a)(4) of the FAA, which authorizes a federal court to set aside an arbitral award where the arbitrator exceeds his or her powers. An arbitral decision even arguably construing the contract—even if the arbitrator had made a “serious” or “grave” error—must stand, the Court found. According to Justice Kagan, the arbitrator had twice conducted a textual analysis of the contract to determine the parties’ intent. The Court thus concluded that the arbitrator’s decisions were “through and through, interpretations of the parties’ agreement” and thus that the arbitrator had not exceeded his power under section 10(a)(4).”

  169. Ys Guy January 15th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    macintosh said yesterday that he goes to 15-20 yankees games per year.

    really can’t see a RS fan doing that, if true. unless he gets free tix.

  170. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Baseball has a lot to do with Geometry.

    Circles are good.

    So are diamonds.

    Crapezoids are bad.

    :)

  171. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    I wonder if Tanaka believes in “Feng Shui” ?

    Or whether that’s just a Chinese thing ?

    :)

  172. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    MTU,

    I am certainly with you that the Yankees need to act as you suggest. It appears they are very much in on Tanaka. Whether they get him is anyone’s guess. If they don’t I think it is very, very bad news. I have no idea what Hal thinks about any of this so I can’t predict the outcome.

    What I can predict is fan backlash for a .500 team.

  173. blake January 15th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    “I wish they gave Ellsbury an opt out in year 3 or 4 of that deal.”

    I wish the Yankees could opt out in 3 or 4 years

  174. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Mac-

    All the can they do is try their best.

  175. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    I wish the Yankees could opt out in 3 or 4 years

    ————-

    Yeah that’d be better.

  176. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    YT,

    One team’s overkill is another team trying to win. I guess the Dodgers didn’t get the memo that all bullpen pieces are equal and a successful one can be patched together by pitchers who have never proven their effectiveness.

  177. Your Worst Nightmare January 15th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Ys Guy

    He may go to the Yankee / Red Sox games and root against NYY. Most everything he posts is negative about the Yanks

    Just sayin ………

  178. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    If the Yankees could get Franklin for Gardner, I would be all over that. They simply have to find young infielders–for any spot. It is, by far, the biggest weakness in the system. And infield is kinda important.+

  179. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    MLB Network had George Weiner on, Michael Weiner’s nephew. George is a Yankee fan and said that losing Arod was tough lol.

    I guess he didn’t get the memo that Arod was anti-brain c@ncer or something and ‘attacking’ his uncle.

  180. MTU January 15th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Time to walk the Mopsters.

  181. Cashmoney January 15th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Mac, Franklin for Gardner, is this a lohud trade?

  182. Howler January 15th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    I’ve had my fill of trades with Seattle.

  183. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Cash – Wanzie brought it up. I don’t see why the M’s would give up Franklin for one year of Gardner, but it’s all wishful thinking on the basis that Crazy Jack is Crazy.

  184. Cashmoney January 15th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    On Gardner, I think his trade value would be the highest in profiling as a CF but I also agree with Blojado, I don’t think Gardner has a high trade value, then again, if you find a dance partner that are desperate enough to value Gardner otherwise. Gardner’s value lies within his legs, D and his ability to grind out abs with some respectable obp.

  185. Cashmoney January 15th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    shame, I doubt it (on Gardner for Franklin), I am hoping that Ms give up on Ackley. But I could potentially see a match up btw G and Ack. I wonder if that thought has come across on NYY radar screen.

  186. blake January 15th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    I’ve see the Frankline for Gardner thing bandied about elsewhere as well…..if makes sense for the Yankees…..I’m less sure it makes sense for Seattle.

  187. austinmac January 15th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    No one can total WAR and calculate the win total. There are far too many variables. However, we can use our common sense. The Yankees would have to get extremely lucky to have CC come back, Nova pitch well all year, Kuroda being good again for the most part and the mystery pitchers chipping in to fill two spots.

    Teams don’t win with two major rotational holes. The Yankees may not win even if filled adequately, but absent adding one quality pitcher and helping the pen, my common sense says this is not a good team.

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  189. bigdan22 January 15th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    JimK January 15th, 2014 at 11:31 am
    Bigdan22, I know the Rodriguez arbitration has been beaten to death, but based on your previous replies you state the arbitrator violated the law; I am curious as to what law was violated?
    One other thing; Although I believe Horowitz’ finding of three 1st time offenses defies logic and commonsense, his “interpretation” meets the standard as set forth in the following excerpt from a recent Supreme Court decision on overturning an arbitrator’s award:

    “Justice Kagan first noted the standard for relief under §10(a)(4) of the FAA, which authorizes a federal court to set aside an arbitral award where the arbitrator exceeds his or her powers. An arbitral decision even arguably construing the contract—even if the arbitrator had made a “serious” or “grave” error—must stand, the Court found. According to Justice Kagan, the arbitrator had twice conducted a textual analysis of the contract to determine the parties’ intent. The Court thus concluded that the arbitrator’s decisions were “through and through, interpretations of the parties’ agreement” and thus that the arbitrator had not exceeded his power under section 10(a)(4).

    ——-

    Sure JimK. I’ll try to answer this brief.

    There are a few somewhat different standards out there that a judge can use to vacate an arbitrator’s decision and they are all very difficult to meet. This case, being filed in NY, under 2nd Circuit law, has what I believe two avenues that could work for Arod. Proving that Horowitz was biased or that he exhibited a “manifest disregard of the law.”

    I haven’t written much about arbitrator bias here. I think it could work for Arod but it will be very difficult. There were leaks, public statements made by Manfred, and of course, the decision not to let Selig testify that may support a bias finding. I think though any bias finding would require a lot of inference-building and if I were judge, I just wouldn’t be up for that. It’s just too speculative and subjective.

    I think the way to go is “manifest disregard of the law.” It’s actually a theory that’s a bit controversial but, to Arod’s good fortune, it happens to be the law in the 2nd Circuit. This manifest disregard is a lot more than legal error. It’s stronger than even big legal error. It’s gotta be real big.

    I’ve only really just scanned the record here, but I think Horowitz could be very vulnerable on how he got to 150 games. There’s not only no precedent for it, but, it my opinion, in multiplying 50 games times the number of DIFFERENT drugs used, he is both disregarding a central tenant of the JDA (gradual punishment) which is specifically expressed in Section 7.L., but he is really creating brand new law on his own. No arbitrator should be allowed to do that. He’s supposed to be interpreting the contract, not voiding it and writing a new one.

    Well, that’s my take. Hope that helps.

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