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Best of what’s left

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 18, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The free agent market seems to have stalled a little bit. The pitching market is waiting for the Masahiro Tanaka situation to be resolved, and the position market has been thinned out considerably. Here’s a look at the best of what’s left on the market. The good news for the Yankees is that they’re in much greater need for pitching than hitting.

World Series Cardinals Red Sox BaseballLINEUP
Juan Pierre LF
Stephen Drew SS
Kendrys Morales 1B
Nelson Cruz RF
Michael Young 3B
Lyle Overbay DH
Kelly Shoppach C
Andres Torres CF
Ramon Santiago 2B

Maybe Reed Johnson is a better choice in center field? Really, there just aren’t many everyday hitters still out there. Drew, Morales and Cruz are the clear standouts. Even without having to worry about ability to play the field, the finding a true DH option is pretty tough (unless you count Morales or Cruz, of course). The hitting market was thinned out by early December, and this is what’s left.

BENCH
Alexi Casilla INF
Jeff Baker UT
Yorvit Torrealba C
Brennan Boesch OF

Maybe Elliott Johnson is a better choice in one of those utility spots? Truth is, most of the top bench options still on the market are in the lineup for this fictional team. Baker remains an interesting platoon bat who can play several positions and could be another low-cost option at third base if he signs with the Yankees. He does have some power against lefties.

Masahiro TanakaROTATION
Masahiro Tanaka
Matt Garza
Ubaldo Jimenez
Ervin Santana
Bronson Arroyo

This is a pretty good group. The rotation market is still think enough to leave out guys like Paul Maholm, Aaron Harang, Scott Baker and Johan Santana (and several other familiar names). It’s going to be interesting to watch these dominoes fall once the market has a good sense of where Tanaka is going to land. He’s clearly at the top of the pack, but with pitchers and catchers reporting in less than four weeks, there are still plenty of legitimate big league starters who don’t have a team.

BULLPEN
Grant Balfour
Fernando Rodney
Francisco Rodriguez
Eric O’Flaherty
Joel Hanrahan
Mitchell Boggs
Luis Ayala

Plenty of options here as well. There aren’t many closer types still on the board, but there are plenty of guys like Ayala (middle relievers who’ve had some success in recent years) and a handful of guys like Hanrahan (former closers coming back from injury). You could certainly argue for taking a shot on Andrew Bailey or Ryan Madson, or maybe even trying Barry Zito in a bullpen role. I suppose you could also roll the dice on Jose Valverde, if you’re feeling especially adventurous when picking completely make-believe bullpens.

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253 Responses to “Best of what’s left”

  1. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    The only perfect storm if they go cheap is the one which blows Cashman and crew out the door. The Reds are negotiating a long term deal with Bailey. If not accomplished he will be traded to a team that wants to sign him. The Tigers are not going cheap now and losing on Scherzer. Do you really think Hanley won’t be re-signed?”

    I think there is a good chance both Scherzer and Bailey hit the market….I think Hanley will re-sign in LA and that Headley and Asdrubal will be free agents.

    If Scherzer has another good season he is in line for Greinke money if not more as a FA……I don’t think the tigers would extend him for that now given that he’s really only been elite for one season….too much risk there. Every report I’ve read on Bailey suggests they can’t sign in in Cincy……and if he is traded then I doubt he’d sign an extension either as he’d be 3 months from free agency

  2. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    “Bailey replaces Kuroda.”

    MTU,
    That’s my whole point….if then sign all of that now I don’t think Hal will let them sign Bailey next year. As I said earlier I my guess is Hal will give Cashman the option of spending now or spending later but not both

  3. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    The SP was easy.

    Tanaka has put everything else in suspended animation.

    Those guys would normally never be available this late in the season.

    ;)

  4. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    MTU,
    Arod coming back more than replaces Kuroda on the payroll….that’s the thing…..if the yanks take their payroll to 230 this year…..it’s really more like 260 because they are getting he Arod savings this year

  5. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Blake-

    I gave ya’ my response in the last thread.

    ;)

  6. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    If they go over this year I think they are done spending for awhile…..

  7. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Blake-

    I hope we won’t see AR back.

    We really shouldn’t.

    ;)

  8. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Help me out here. So many teams were in the hunt before the trading deadline. Did any of the teams in the league make a significant deal, that added a player/players that got them into the playoffs by the July 31st deadline?

    Red Sox?
    Cardinals?

    Wanzies

    The reason I’m asking this is if the Yankees plan to enter the season with the current roster, will they even find a difference maker by the July 31st deadline with as many teams, with the added wild card in play? They need to improve their roster now and not wait until July or August to hope they can find help.

  9. wanzies222 January 18th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    To assume that certain FA will be available after 2014 is foolish.

    To assume that certain players will be available at the trade deadline is foolish.

    Teams have a lot of money to spend and they are spending it.

    Now is the time to improve one’s team.

  10. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    MTU.

    Arods money is gonna be back whether he is or not….that’s the problem

  11. wanzies222 January 18th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    YT -

    Didn’t see your post, but I think I answered it….lol.

  12. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Jeter, GGBG, Soriano, Ichiro, D-rob, Nova, etc. might all also be off the books.

    Not all of it gets replaced with high priced items IMO.

    ;)

  13. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Waiting and hoping certain players reach free agency is a risky venture. Few make it any more. To me, it is simply pushing recovery down the road toward an unknown time.

    If Hal will never spend more than he spends now, Blake is right that additions this year will impact available money next. Hal needs to spend what it takes to win. If not, he can go away. New York can produce an ownership group like the Dodgers’.

    Big city. Big ticket prices. Big expectations.

    If they don’t add from here, they will decline 15% in attendance and be a joke to all of baseball for another year.

    Last year none of the pundits picked the Yankees to do well. The response frequently was “How dare they.” They were right. Right now, we would be picked for third again. Still wrong?

  14. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    To assume that certain FA will be available after 2014 is foolish.”

    To spend money just because is foolish too though…..I get it for tanaka…..if they don’t get him though then they shouldn’t lock up a bunch of future payroll in the rest of the guys that are left IMO. I don’t know for sure who will be available next winter…..but some guys always make it to free agency and the amount of money spent this winter should only make it more likely that these guys wait and test the market

  15. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    If the Yankees are raking it in again because they are winners they can afford not to worry about the budget as much.

    You let Hal worry about that.

    Concentrate on building a solid Team.

    You’re good at that.

    :)

  16. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Blake-

    Some of us have different views on what, when, and how we should be spending our dough.

    ;)

  17. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    189 was the Frankenstein monster.

    Cobbled together from dead parts of bad baseball ideas.

    Fortunately it’s dead and buried.

    I celebrate it’s death at the hand’s of common sense.

    ;)

  18. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    MTU,

    I’m operating within the parameters I’m speculating that Hal will go to……if bat changes and he stops caring about the payroll so much then yay……but I really don’t see him taking the payroll beyond where it was in 2013 and certainly not if the tax rate isn’t reset

  19. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:19 am

    YT,

    I have always thought the concept of waiting until two-thirds of the season is over to fill obvious needs is foolish. First, you may be out of the race. Second, most teams think they have a shot and fewer players are available.

    Last year they added Soriano. That’s about a good of player as becomes available. Of course, at the trade deadline, we will have the same issue of lack of tradable assets.

  20. pat January 18th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    I think the more levels of postseason they have added, the bigger the crap shoot got.

    Building a team for the regular season used to get you to the World Series. Now building a team for the regular season gets you to multiple of levels of play in to get to the World Series.

  21. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    The Yankees are better positioned to take on risk than just about anyone.

    That has been their way and I hope it continues to be their way after a brief hiatus.

    They took the wrong trail for a while but I’m hoping they have rediscovered the correct path.

    I ought to know I’m an avid hiker.

    ;)

  22. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    The 189 idea will be dead when and if the Yankees add another high priced player. Until then, it lingers in Hal’s brain. I agree with Blake that is they lose Tanaka, all bets are off as to what they do.

    Why are the Dodgers reported to be meeting daily with Close? Are we? Are they trying to win the bidding or trying to show the fan base they tried? Trying to win means–for definitional purposes–outbidding the others.

  23. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Wanzies

    I agree. The only big trades that were made, that I could find before the deadline, in July was Matt Garza to the Rangers and Jake Peavey to the Red Sox, all for prospects.

    Blake-

    With the expanded playoff format, unless MLB moves the trading deadline to at least mid August, I don’t feel teams will get that one player that can help drive them to the pennant. The Yankees hopefully aren’t going to stake their chances on finding July players thru trade that will give them that extra impetus.

  24. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    189 was “a goal NOT a mandate”.

    They tried it and it failed.

    So there is a new plan in effect. Or a new version of an old plan.

    ;)

  25. wanzies222 January 18th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    pat -

    Selig’s folly has certainly made it tough to predict what the best route is….

    Is it the Cardinal way?

    The Dodger way?

    The dumb luck way (BoSox)?

    Teams still have to be in it to win it, so they still need to build for 162 games. After that, hope you have a little luck.

    Go back and look at the playoff results from the past few years and see how many one run games there were. Almost any team that gets to the tournament could win it.

  26. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    The Yankees keep losing early in the playoffs because they have not been good enough. Luck is the residue of design.

  27. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Hal spent big in 2008 then shut it down for 5 years despite obvious cracks forming in the foundation. Sorry but I don’t trust him to keep spending and spending to fix problems every year……and honestly he shouldn’t have to.

    If the blow past 189 then I hope they fix most everything now because I just don’t see them spending a lot again next year if they don’t get under the cap

  28. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    pat,

    Exactly.

  29. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Mac-

    Hal said it himself, ‘We need a SP”. He also said they will continue to spend past 189 if they are not championship caliber.

    You think they are ? You think he thinks so ?

    I rest my case counselor.

    We’re not done. And that’s with or without Mr. Tanaka.

    We have holes and a Team to build.

    The spending will continue either way.

    I really do not want to retract my apology.

    ;)

  30. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Thanks for the list Chad. I wonder what it would take to sign Morales?

    They have no back-up (or insurance) at 1b, no Alex to take DH time.

    I’m probably in the minority and hope I’m wrong but I think Sori is going to come crashing back to earth this year. So I’m not sure he’s the answer at DH either. Morales and Sori have very similar career numbers, but Morales is 8 years younger at 30.

    Worth exploring a trade of Sori and signing Morales?

  31. wanzies222 January 18th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    mac -

    Who knows what’s really happening with Tanaka?

    We’ll know soon enough. THEN we can have some real BS discussions and second-guessing and FO bashing….lol.

    In the meantime, we all have sock drawers to sort, right?

  32. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    MTU,

    They have acted for two years as if 189 was a mandate. It was clear last year what 2014 looked like. I said a million times unless they spend, it is 1965 all over again. Yet, they “mandated” to do nothing about it.

    I hope they have seen the light. If they haven’t, I promise the income loss will shine very brightly as will the sun reflecting off the empty seats.

  33. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Blake-

    I don’t care how, when, and why they spend it just that do.

    IMO you shouldn’t either.

    ;)

  34. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    ARod comes back you need to factor in 27.5 million another 6 million when he passes Mays.

    If they are going to be competitive, even if Kuroda retires and Jeter decides to also they won’t be under 189M.. Well let me rephrase that- they won’t be under the 189M unless they stay in house with their farm system.

  35. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Mac-

    “I hope they have seen the light. If they haven’t, I promise the income loss will shine very brightly as will the sun reflecting off the empty seats.”

    I agree.

    I think they got the message after last year.

    Let’s see the completed roster.

    Keep your powder dry for now.

    ;)

  36. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Wanzies,

    I’m not bashing as I don’t know what they will do. I am simply reiterating the consequences of not doing so. Last year was a clear sign. It would be hard to believe it wasn’t evident to the management.

    However, management can become overly enamored with their ideas such as we should be able to win at 189.

  37. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Arod isn’t coming back….his money is though and Hal had to pay it so it matters

  38. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Tar

    I’m not sure Morales is anything but a bat, a DH.

    Did you ask about the Maddon Shift last night?

  39. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    “Arod isn’t coming back….his money is though and Hal had to pay it so it matters”

    How is this possible? trade?

  40. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    189 is like the guy behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz.

    A myth. An illusion. A trumped up joke.

    :)

  41. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Here is a non Payroll and non Arod topic. Nah like the braves trade Craig Kimbrel ?

    He’s asking for 9 million in his first year of arbitration…..he’s gonna make a fortune going forward if he continues to pitch the way he has and the cheapskate bravos can’t afford that…..his value will never be higher

  42. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    One rumor on MLBTR is Tanaka and his wife are looking for a Japanese community. FWIW, LA has 36,000, New York 22,000 and Chicago has 4,000.

  43. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    YT

    Yeah… I would really like to see a write up on defensive positioning/ the shift/ scouting reports etc. I mentioned Maddon because he always seems to be a step ahead of us.

    Also I think the Yankees are poor at it.

  44. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Time for the Yankees to once again teach the rest of baseball who’s boss.

    We used to do that regularly.

    :)

  45. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    If the Yankees still have insurance to cover part of ARods contract if disabled, then Hal would be foolish to eat the entire 61 million, because ARod, in my opinion will not be able to finish the contract due to decreasing mobility in one or both hips, with increased pain. Plus will he stay clean?

  46. pat January 18th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    “ARod comes back you need to factor in 27.5 million”

    $25.2 if the suspension holds up.

    I read the AAV gets recalculated after the money lost for the suspension is removed.

    When I read it, I thought how interesting that the AAV of both of his contracts would end up at 25.2.

  47. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Mac-

    Tokyo has around 20 mil.

    Maybe he should just stay home.

    :)

  48. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Blake,

    I thought of Kimbrel too. He is amazing, and will be gone from the Braves in a year or two, I bet. They will pay him this year in order to compete.

  49. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    “How is this possible? trade?”

    Forced retirement most likely by cutting him…..either way they are gonna have to pay him and that’s what were talking about .

  50. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    YT-

    I agree.

    About as much chance as I do of sleeping with Salma Hayek.

    ;)

  51. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    YT,

    I am not sure AROD can stay clean even if he is not playing.

  52. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    I would release Arod just to not have to pay his bonuses ….you’re not going to recoup the 61 million ….but if you release him then you at least save the 6 million he’d get if he was allowed to hit 6 more homers

  53. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    The Yankees are always looking down the road when it comes to buying guys.

    ;)

  54. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    “Time for the Yankees to once again teach the rest of baseball who’s boss.”

    I think the days of that over..better get used to it. With all the money floating around the game now, the Yankees are no longer the only game in town.

    I have a feeling in the next few years we are going to see how Cashman really is a GM, considering it’s a more level playing field now.

  55. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Blake-

    Didn’t you hear Hal.

    He said he considers AR an “asset”.

    I hear snake venom can be an asset too sometimes.

    :)

  56. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    “Forced retirement most likely by cutting him”

    The Yankees are willing to pay Alex 25 million to be Baltimore’s DH? Or the Rays? or??

    I don’t see that happening until and maybe it’s proven that he can’t play anymore.

  57. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    “He said he considers AR an “asset”.”

    He has no reason to say anything otherwise now…..if there isn’t snowballs chance they can trade him in the next year that goes out the window if Hal gives any indication that they might release him

  58. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Tar-

    I don’t think so.

    We are still the numero uno brand in the World.

    My point is, let’s keep it that way.

    ;)

  59. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    “The Yankees are willing to pay Alex 25 million to be Baltimore’s DH? Or the Rays? or??”

    Nobody is gonna sign him…..if they wouldn’t sign bonds they aren’t signing him…..hey I could be wrong but I think if they release him his career is over in MLB

  60. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Bonds had a .480 OBP in his final season and nobody would sign him…..Arod won’t have played in over a year when he’s eligible to play again

  61. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Just because Teams have momentary blips on the radar screen doesn’t make them the Yankees.

    We have been, are, and always will be a presence and a force to be reckoned with over time.

    Just the nature of the beast.

    ;)

  62. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    “We are still the numero uno brand in the World.”

    You are correct we still have the tradition and brand angle to sell. I’m hoping that’s what sways Tanaka.

    But as far as the money angle over everybody else goes… you can kiss that advantage goodbye.

  63. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Boy would I love to have Kimmy….Yabks don’t have anybody to trade for him though

  64. Section 8 January 18th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Re mac’s “It would be hard to believe it wasn’t evident to the management”

    Can anyone identify a scenario the FO could have believed last off-season that would allow them to get under 189 for 2014, given they had no idea Arod would be off the books, they knew they to re-sign/replace Cano, Mo, Kuroda, Andy, Grandy, Hughes, Logan and even without last year’s regression, they had no sure-fire major league ready prospects? I can’t…except that they believed they’d make the playoffs again in 2013, and were comfortable taking a flier on 2014 and this would be their “year off”.

  65. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    blake-

    Has this Tanaka thing caused you to lose your sense of humor ?

    ;)

  66. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Bonds was looking at jail time.

    I’m talking about the AL East…Maddon and Buck trying anything they can to stick it to the Yankees and win.

    Not the same situation.

  67. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    MTU,

    The Yankees must act to keep their brand ahead of the Dodgers. Twenty years ago no one thought of the Yankees or wanted to play for them. My point always returns to–it can be that way again if they don’t insure otherwise.

    My point on the Japanese populations is that Chicago does not seem as attractive from that perspective.

  68. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Tar-

    Whatever.

    We are always the Team that everyone else aspires to and is gunning for.

    So that says all that needs to be said.

    ;)

  69. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    We need to remember with this brand stuff that the dodgers were in much worse shape than the Yankees 2 years ago…..and they sold for 2 billion dollars.

    The revenue may be affected if the Yankees don’t win….but their brand is that they are the Yankees and they are in NYC…..their worth will still be there to the right bidder

  70. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Tar

    There was an article in USA Sports Weekly in June I believe. I referred to it last season.

    Here’s what I remember, about the Maddon Shift.

    The Rays have spent their money to hire analyzes to assist the GM
    The Rays and Orioles are the two teams that use the shift most frequently
    The Rays teach their pitchers to pitch to location that will help them get the batter to hit into the shift.
    Maddon was asked that it was noticed that infielders are moving often when the pitch is thrown. He was asked if that is part of the shift as if that was not supposed to happen while the batter was hitting. I remember his reply, ” oh really, I hadn’t noticed that.”

    A group studied players who’s batting average was affected by the shift, as Ortiz claimed it cost him, was it 40 points off his BA.

    Anyway the study, in the article claimed that Granderson managed one ground ball single when the shift was on. This was through the first half of the 2012 season. Kendrys Morales was another one who couldn’t get a ground ball thru the shift

    Since that article I’ve noticed the Red Sox almost always use the shift vs the Yankees.

  71. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    MTU,

    Not true they have always been a presence. They were not for many years in the sixties and seventies and then again in the eighties and early nineties. They have to continually earn that place. That’s life.

  72. pat January 18th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    The Yankees have to pay his salary but I wonder if they could save paying the milestone awards even if he hit them.

    There was discussion when the contract was signed that they couldn’t be just bonuses for hitting HRs but had to be a marketing agreement for historic milestones.

    I wonder if not participating in any marketing of the event could save them from paying the milestone awards.

  73. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Section 8

    It made no sense then, it makes no sense now. Poor, or no planning involved.

    And if they were planning on resetting this year, and it became evident that they were not going to make the Play-offs last year, why didn’t they become sellers? smh

  74. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Mac-

    I said “over time”.

    I didn’t mean only the here and now, or for a few years.

    Just because some Teams start showing up on the radar doesn’t mean they’ll stay there.

    We have proven that we can and will.

    27 times in 100 yrs. or so.

    Can anyone else claim that.

    Again, I rest my case counselor.

    I’m a pretty good lawyer, huh ?

    :)

  75. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Section 8,

    That’s a good question. It seemed very apparent to me and many others 2014 was going to be bad if they didn’t spend. I think it was far overestimating what they would get from the system.

  76. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    And of course you have to continually earn your stripes.

    But who says we won’t, or can’t.

    We’ve done it more times than anyone else. By a lot.

    ;)

  77. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I have a feeling in the next few years we are going to see how Cashman really is a GM, considering it’s a more level playing field now.

    —–

    I think we’ve already been seeing that the last few years (especially the failures in player development), which is why I don’t think he’s he guy who can turn things around.

    I really hope we don’t have to see another 3 years of him.

  78. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:46 am

    IMO, Arod is radioactive, no one will want to trade for him LOL !

    So what if he takes he circus to another team if he is cut by NY, he is a huge injury risk now as well with his hips and his age. Maybe he will continue to use PEDS as well which is a risk to another team ?

    Other teams will also probably be wary of him suing them as well for something trivial

    He is a c*ncer and has burned many bridges in MLB

  79. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:56 am

    I’m done defending the Realm for today.

    It’s nice to be King.

    :)

  80. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    We are the GOLD STANDARD everyone else dreams to be

  81. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Section 8

    It made no sense then, it makes no sense now. Poor, or no planning involved.

    And if they were planning on resetting this year, and it became evident that they were not going to make the Play-offs last year, why didn’t they become sellers? smh

    —–

    The bottom line is that this front office plays far too many games of checkers and not enough games of chess.

  82. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Maddon was asked that it was noticed that infielders are moving often when the pitch is thrown. He was asked if that is part of the shift as if that was not supposed to happen while the batter was hitting. I remember his reply, ” oh really, I hadn’t noticed that.”

    Thanks YT

    Maddon has kicked everybody else’s butt the last couple of years.

    The one thing I would say about the above, once batters figure out what he’s doing, that could also help the batter by “tipping” what is coming. But of course you will always have the stubborn types like Tex that will still try and pull the ball.

    Interesting about Morales and the shift, maybe he’s not so desirable.

  83. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    AR is going to write one heck of a tell all book.

    He’ll make another mint off that.

    He can out Canseco, Canseco.

    Lot’s of dirty laundry to go round.

    He can make lot’s of people squirm if he really wants to.

    ;)

  84. blake January 18th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    “Has this Tanaka thing caused you to lose your sense of humor ?”

    ;) nah I’m just all business right now….crunch time….and I’m sleep deprived

  85. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Thank you Corn.

    How quickly some forget.

    We ARE the yardstick.

    :)

  86. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    “IMO, Arod is radioactive, no one will want to trade for him LOL !”

    Most likely no….but Hal has no reason to just destroy any hope of it now.

  87. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Reasons not to release ARod

    You still have the money count toward the LT. Now if the commissioners office were able to change that ruling, ARod would be long gone.
    He tests positive again, suspended or banned. No obligation to pay him.
    If you have insurance, which they probably don’t have now, you still have some relief of the 21M
    He might just give up and retire at some point, and the remainder of his contract is terminated.
    He might have a clause in his contract that includes termination for moral turpitude , which Austinmac can better address.

  88. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    You can tell by the level of hatred for us out there.

    The more hated you are the better you are.

    I want people to just detest us. Fume at the mention of our name.

    It’s what we do best.

    :)

  89. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Yes, the Yankees won the 20th century. So far, fourteen years in the Red Sox are winning the 21st. Their laurels will be long gone if they become a perennial also ran.

    Again, my point. The choice is theirs. They can spend as needed or spend to a predetermined budget and see how things play out.

  90. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    “240 Million is a lot of cabbage.”

    mtu-

    in the last thread you said the above.

    cabbage may be a good metaphor for what’s wrong with the yankees.

    cabbage by itself is just cabbage. but ferment it and you get sauerkraut . organic sauerkraut has more probiotics for cheap than you could ever need.

    organic sauerkraut is easy to make. chop up cabbage, squeeze juice out , throw both into a jar or container and in a week or so you have sauerkraut . making your own is ridiculously easy.

    what does this have to do with baseball?
    the yankee farm system has lots of cabbage ( lots of good young players) but it doesn’t get fermented and turned into sauerkraut .

    hal doesn’t get the baseball fermentation process.
    he keeps going to the store and buying the pastuerized low quality stuff with no probiotics .
    until he learns how easy it is to grow his own, he’ll be constantly be looking at having to spend 240 million to keep the good cabbage/sauerkraut his team made by accident.

    the moral of my little fable is to make more, buy less.
    be a healthier team.

  91. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Blake-

    I was worried about you. Get some rest. We need you frosty around here soldier.

    I might have a new business propostion for ya’.

    ;)

  92. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Mr MTU

    Yes sir

    Like the Gold Cup high up on the mantle that no one can reach

    Too much panic and talk of mediocrity, yes we need to fix the farm but those Yankee dollars keep churning out from those printing presses deep under Yankee Stadium

  93. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    “You still have the money count toward the LT. Now if the commissioners office were able to change that ruling, ARod would be long gone.
    He tests positive again, suspended or banned. No obligation to pay him.”

    So keep letting him play in hopes that he uses PEDs again and gets suspended again? Hey that’s a pretty good plan….he can’t get suspended for using steroids if he’s not playing!

  94. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    61 million

    I’ll let the attorneys give their opinion on why the Yankees might not release ARod and pay him 61M to go away. He’ll write his book, that much earlier!

  95. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Apple-

    I hear you. I’m all for that too.

    I all for anything that helps us win.

    Now and in the future.

    I hope Hal’s light bulb turned on after last year.

    Waiting to see. Hoping it finally has.

    :)

  96. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    I’m not convinced Cashman comes back for another go-round when his contract ends (this season?).

  97. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    I said last winter that 2013 will be a critical year for the far. That didn’t work out. I say it again. They have to start getting some help. Players need to step up. I hope we have some guys capable.

  98. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Yes, someone trading for him was / is a joke

    Hal can hold out hope, I think he is right when he said lets see how things shake out going forward

    I see that as meaning ‘lets see what the side show’ brings going forward and how AR puts his foot in his mouth yet again

  99. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    –for the farm–

  100. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Too much panic and talk of mediocrity, yes we need to fix the farm but those Yankee dollars keep churning out from those printing presses deep under Yankee Stadium

    —–

    The problem with that though is that boatloads of money alone won’t solve all of their problems when everyone else has boatloads of money too.

    Their big financial advantage in the past isn’t such an advantage anymore when they’ve done such a poor job of developing their own.

  101. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    the yankees can compete and can win the WS with this team.
    they are in better shape than anyone expected the red socks were in last year at this time.

    it’s just that alot has to break right and very little can go wrong.
    it’s all about the margin for overcoming problems and the yankees have a very thin margin now.

    tanaka would widen the margin as would a 2b or a good 3b or a set-up man or a closer would, too.

    but this team as currrently constructed can compete for a championship. its possible but not all that likely.

  102. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    I think traders idea of letting Arod play until he gets suspended for life might be the best way to get his money off the books

  103. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Maybe they could welcome him back with open arms in 2015…..and drop hints that there is this new undetectable steroids clinic in NY that he has to try…..Levine can email him the details!

  104. SilentTear2014 January 18th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Bruce Levine
    https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/s…26437974958080
    ?@MLBBruceLevine
    Wake up tweeters! Cubs made Tanaka a real offer to be there ace and grow with their other talented young players.
    what that means cubs made a real offer? lolz

  105. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Ys,

    I Agree. They could conceivably compete if a number of players rebound and we find a couple pitchers from what we have. The odds just don’t seem good. Smart businesses reduce risk.

  106. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    I’m not convinced Cashman comes back for another go-round when his contract ends (this season?).

    —-

    Agreed. I’ve been saying that since he signed his last contract. I think this will be it for him whether he gets fired or he leaves on his own terms.

    Or maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part because some new blood is definitely needed.

  107. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    i want arod off this team, too, but i can’t blame the yankees for not cutting him.

    arod could quite easily let the yankees off the hook for the remaining money in the next year and a quarter.

    he could fail another ped test, he could need another surgery, he could retire and go after the insurance company to collect his money.

    plenty of reason not to cut him loose at this point,

  108. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    ‘He tests positive again, suspended or banned’

    ===========

    Wouldn’t you think he would have enough smarts now to NOT jeopardize his remaining $ 61 million ?

    Well then again maybe not

  109. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    So keep letting him play in hopes that he uses PEDs again and gets suspended again? Hey that’s a pretty good plan…

    Blake

    I’m sure it will be discussed among the brass. Honestly I believe he will come back, but won’t be able to finish the contract due to recurring problems with his hip/hips that will need resurfacing or a total hip to relieve the arthritic pain.

    I suppose the Yankees might find it in their hearts to generously give him sixty one million dollars! :)

  110. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Tipping pitches and how teams avoid it and detect are also of great interest to me.

    Randy and I had a nice discussion about a really smart College Coach who figured out that Jason Varitek was tipping pitches by moving a certain way during the College World Series. The yellow Jackets got squashed in the Championship game.

    The same coach also figured out that a 2nd baseman was tipping by cheating towards first (RH batter) on FB’s. I love those kind of stories.

    Randy I want a story…. where are you?

  111. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    The cubs made a real offer to tanaka as opposed to the fake ones everyone else is offering

  112. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    i think arod is self-delusional enough to try to use ped’s again to show that he can play without ped’s.

  113. bigdan22 January 18th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    If you trust what the Yanks seem to be saying, they have one more big FA bullet left in their gun and it will be used for starting pitching. That should put their budget between 210 and $220MM. At the beginning of the offseason, I proposed that that would be the optimum range for this team as presently constructed. They’re luxury tax would become more palatable and they still would save about $20MM over 2013, not chump change. I think this would be a pretty good level to stay at for the foreseeable future while they try to obtain some benefits from their farm system. It probably would allow then to add about one big name FA a year.

    One of the benefits of having a crappy farm system is you don’t have a Core Four or Five all hitting free agency at the same time and blowing up your budget big time. This is what happened in the early 2000s.

    So maybe the plan is, add a named pitcher, save some significant money, hope the farm system improves and try to compete. Overall, pretty rational.

  114. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    y’s-

    We’ll have to disagree on that one.

    I don’t even think Hal thinks so.

    He said as much.

    ;)

  115. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Wouldn’t you think he would have enough smarts now to NOT jeopardize his remaining $ 61 million ?”

    No not really…..he didn’t has enough smarts to stop when he promised he was going to be clean in 2009 and asked everyone to judge him from that point forward.

    I think bein good at baseball is more important to Arod than anything else and he’s willing to risk it

  116. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:10 am
    I think traders idea of letting Arod play until he gets suspended for life might be the best way to get his money off the books
    ——————–

    And here I thought we were friends! :) did I say that would be the “best way to get the money off the books?”

  117. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    In a way I understand why Arod did it…..playin baseball well is what makes him happy in life…..think about something you do well and that makes you happy and then think how you’d feel if suddenly it was gone…..and then what you’d do if something told you you could take these gummies and get it back? Not condoning it…..but it get it

  118. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    everything hal and arod are saying about each other, the contract and ped’s is scripted by lawyers and means absolutely nothing.

  119. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    And here I thought we were friends! did I say that would be the “best way to get the money off the books?””

    No I’m serious….that’s probably their best bet to get rid of his money ….it’s the most realistic way I can think of

  120. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    A real offer from the Cubs has the perk of a date with ‘Clark the Cub’ for Mrs. T

  121. bigdan22 January 18th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Here’s an idea. Since Arod probably has the year off, let him work hard to get in the best shape of his life, lose some weight, improve his agility and replace Jeter at SS in 2015 after he retires. Three years at SS with above average offense for that position would provide great value to team for the remainder of Arod’s contract.

    Since folks like to engage in the fantasy of Arod being released, I thought I’d add just one more.

  122. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    i could see the yankees using the strategy of waiting till the last minute then going over 189 as a way of saying that they put winning above payroll considerations as a way of covering up a $25M drop in payroll.

    but i dont agree that 189 is definitely in the rear-view mirror yes.

  123. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    *yet* not yes

  124. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    y’s-

    If it isn’t it should be.

    I think it is. Dead and buried where it should have been all along.

    ;)

  125. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    arod can’t stay healthy, thats not going to get better moving forward.

    but its a nice fantasy for him anyway….

  126. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Cubs are going to give MT an autographed teddy bear w Epstein’s signature on it.

    That way MT can take it to bed with him every night and have pleasant dreams.

    How special is that.

    :)

  127. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Tar, I don’t think he gets fired, I mean, when would that happen and for what offense (since it hasn’t happened already and the failure of the farm to produce as desired would qualify as a reason to fire a GM, I’d think), but if you mean he isn’t offered a new contract, only if the Steinbrenners now feel comfortable moving on without him as a security blanket (because he’s been with them for so long, he’s a “safe” choice).

    I wonder, if not Cash, would they consider going outside the organization? To me, that’s the more interesting question.

  128. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Back to Tanaka. This is the only new info I could find out of Japanese sources

    Masahiro Tanaka updates from Saturday, January 18, 2014.
    Tanaka worked out at Kobo Stadium today for the first time this year. He tossed a bullpen session using an MLB baseball and told reporters it felt normal. Tanaka did not make any comments about where he might be playing this year. [Sponichi 1/18/2014] … Tanaka tossed thirty pitches to a standing catcher. He mixed in his curve, slider, two-seamer, and splitter. [Daily Sports 1/18/2014]

    Angels Owner Art Moreno told reporters Tanaka was a pitcher they wanted, but there was also a budget they had to consider. [Sponichi 1/18/2014]

    A number of teams, which could include the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox, and Cubs, submitted formal contract offers to Tanaka up through to the 16th US time (17th Japan time). Almost all teams probably submitted nine-figure deals at six years. [Nikkan Sports 1/18/2014]

  129. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Cashman: hey Alex, time heals all wounds. It’s been a year, are you ready to come back and play some ball.

    Alex: sure ….you serious.

    Cashman: yea man, we still have no 3B and you’re better than Nunie from a wheelchair.

    Alex: great! I’ll see you in Tampa.

    Cashman: one other thing….there is this new super secret “weight loss clinic” down in Miami…..supposedly they got the “good stuff” ….I hear one product is labeled Bondszilla. Totally untraceable.

    Alex: this is the greatest day of my life.

    Cashman: great….I’ll have Levine text you the details from our private untraceable phone ok.

    Alex: I’m in heaven

  130. Section 8 January 18th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Other than keeping him from Spring Training, I see no reason to release Arod now. That may change in the unlikely event of a set-back in court. Otherwise, they’ll look for an angle to at least give some leverage for a hail mary attempt to negotiate a buy out next before 2015. When that fails, I do suspect they’ll release him at some point next off-season.

    But someone suggested earlier they’ll be off the hook for the milestone home run bonus if they release him; the Yankees made the foolish commitment, so I assume they’ll be on the hook if he hits 660 for the Astros

  131. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    “arod can’t stay healthy, thats not going to get better moving forward.”

    or to the side. or going back. or any which way but out.

    ;)

  132. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    YT-

    That stuff all belongs in the recycle bin.

    :)

  133. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Blake-

    Now that’s better.

    How bout we drop the still and start hunting ginseng.

    1000 buck a lb. Much better return on investment.

    We can be partners. You secure the claim.

    We split everything 50-50.

    :)

  134. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Frankly, I think Cashman is the one who chooses not to sign on again. And I think that perhaps it is worse that Levine has emerged as the voice of ownership.

    I’ve been of the mind that it would take Hal a while on the learning curve; my hope is that he is just about where he needs to be, and as that happens, Levine will be heard from less and less.

    But that is probably wishful thinking…

  135. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    MTU,
    I used to hunt it all the time ….I was pretty good at it!

  136. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Doreen-

    You know I love you lot’s.

    But that just isn’t happening.

    The curly-haired clown makes Stein a lot of moolah, and thus has his ear.

    I hope he is pushing the marketing angle on Mashiro.

    ;)

  137. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Blake-

    whereabouts ?

    or can’t you tell ?

    ;)

  138. blake January 18th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    MTU,
    In the NC hills….occasionally you’d stumble upon some “more valuable” secret plants

  139. mick January 18th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    The cubs made a real offer to tanaka as opposed to the fake ones everyone else is offering
    =================================
    I think this is Hal’s startegy.
    Wait in the weeds then let some other team scoop him up.
    Never thought they would join in a bidding war but give it the old college try like they did with Cano.
    Tanaka is there for the taking, just think it won’t be us.

  140. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Mick-

    Doesn’t really matter as long as we shore up the Swiss cheese rotation and pen.

    If that’s Ubaldo and/or Garza, + so be it.

    And that is what I think is in the cards as plan B.

    Something like that has to be IMO.

  141. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Blake-

    We can make big bucks on the side.

    :)

  142. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    MTU -

    Sigh. I know. I’m resigned. Just, like I said, wishful thinking….

    I wouldn’t mind as much if Levine stayed out of the spotlight, away from microphones and cameras. He just makes me cringe every time I see him, even on the rare occasion I can agree with what he’s saying.

  143. mick January 18th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    I could see Hal going after Garza after losing Tanaka.
    Save 5m per for 3-4 years, set his sights on a big FA pitcher for 2015.
    He’s prolly thinking a reliever, a Baker and Garza for Tanaka puts them in contention now..

  144. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    If Tanaka goes to the Cubs he’s a fool.

    He’ll languish for years on a perennial loser.

    He’ll essentially be doing a Cano.

    I doubt that very much. But hey, it’s his life.

    ;)

  145. mick January 18th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    If Tanaka goes to the Cubs he’s a fool.
    ================
    Thing is we don’t know who he is…
    Maybe that’s who he is.
    He is the Howard Hughes of Japan.

  146. bigdan22 January 18th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Hopefully by this time next week they’ll be fitting Tanaka for pinstripes. That change the entire narrative of this board. Instead of discussing whether Arod gets to go to ST, we can debate whether Arod gets to attend the parade.

    I’ve always felt that Mathew McConaughey was a bit of a light weight as an actor. Then I was really surprised how good he was in Lincoln Lawyer. Haven’t seen Dallas Buyer’s but I saw the debut of True Detective last night. Damn he’s good. Scary good. Some critics comparing that show to The Wire. I guess that’s the ultimate compliment for TV drama. Check it out.

  147. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Mick-

    It would. Doesn’t have to be MT.

    MT is actually more about creating fan excitement and interest, and the future.

    Doreen-

    Same here. I get visions of plaid pants every time I see him. Used car salesman.

    :)

  148. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Mick-

    We’ll find out.

    I’m still on the LA or NY bandwagon.

  149. mick January 18th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    I’ve always felt that Mathew McConaughey was a bit of a light weight as an actor.
    =====================
    If you stay up late, you might catch him in a little movie named Killer Joe.
    Quite a few good scenes.

  150. Tar January 18th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Doreen

    re: Cashman I think you were responding to GF. but I agree with you, I don’t think he is going anywhere until he is ready to.

  151. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    bigdan22 January 18th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    I’ve always felt that Mathew McConaughey was a bit of a light weight as an actor. Then I was really surprised how good he was in Lincoln Lawyer. Haven’t seen Dallas Buyer’s but I saw the debut of True Detective last night. Damn he’s good. Scary good. Some critics comparing that show to The Wire. I guess that’s the ultimate compliment for TV drama. Check it out.

    —-

    I liked the pilot of True Detective as well and have precisely the same feelings toward McConaughey.

    That show kind of reminds me of The Killing, which I also liked, but has now been cancelled twice.

  152. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Oops! Thanks, Tar. Meant that as a response to GF. :)

  153. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Cashman to me seems like he’s just wearing down and I certainly can’t blame him for that.

    He’s certainly not the likable chap he used to be. He often comes across as a jackass in his interviews.

  154. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    I’ve been as big a Cashman supporter as there is on Lohud, but I’ve said for a while that it’s time for a change, simply for the sake of change, if no other reason. There comes a time when a fresh voice and a new eye is necessary.

    And, really, with what is essentially a clean slate in terms of players with whom the GM has a history, it is a good time to maybe start a new book, not just a new chapter.

  155. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    GF, he seems tired and a bit jaded. And he doesn’t seem to take joy in the job – at least not in the part that is visible to us.

  156. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    MTU

    You forgot Santana. From RAB’s this morning.

    Rosenthal: Yankees request Ervin Santana’s medical records
    By Mike Axisa

    Rosenthal
    The Yankees are one of several clubs to request Ervin Santana’s medical records recently. The team was only doing their due diligence. Brian Cashman recently indicated they could fill out the rotation with cheap pitcher if they fail to sign Masahiro Tanaka.

  157. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    “the yankees can compete and can win the WS with this team.”

    the houston astros can too.

    the odds just aren’t very good.

    what the yankees do when they are at their best is stack the odds in their favor.

    think about these simple numbers.

    the yankees at best have a 50% chance of making the playoffs.

    once in the playoffs they’d have a one in eight chance of winning the crap shoot of the playoffs.

    that’s like flipping a coin 4 times in a row and coming up heads every time.

    so that’s a 1 in 16 chance when you had the one more coin flip that’s getting into the playoffs in the first place.

    that’s a 6.25% chance of winning the world series.

    that’s not the normal chance the yankees go into seasons with.

    they’ve won 27 out of about 100 championships over the past 100 years.

    that’s an actual 27% winning championship rate.

    it looks to me we’re going into this season with a 6% chance of winning instead of our normal 27% chance.

    to me , that is proof that hal and his plan is 100% wrong.

  158. Captain Clutch January 18th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    @SeanBoswellABC6

    Source: @Cubs could go as high as $26 million per year for 7 years for #Tanaka

  159. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    YT-

    I guess they could scrape the bottom of the barrel if they really want to with guys like Arroyo, or Maholm but to me that makes little sense.

  160. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Brian Cashman recently indicated they could fill out the rotation with cheap pitcher if they fail to sign Masahiro Tanaka.
    =====================
    If Hal is looking to create a buzz, getting both Sanatanas, one on a MiL deal, would create it.
    I still think he suffers from Fear of Igawa Syndrome.

  161. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    If the cubby bears want to got to those lengths he’s theirs.

    That IS crazy money. The only way they’ll land him.

    I would not expect the Yankees to try to match that.

    Nor would I blame them if they didn’t.

    Too many other options.

    ;)

  162. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    “To assume that certain FA will be available after 2014 is foolish.

    To assume that certain players will be available at the trade deadline is foolish.”

    To assume that no one will make it to free agent and no reasonable trade value will emerge would also be foolish. And as Blake said, to overpay for marginal upgrades would be especially foolish.

    “Help me out here. So many teams were in the hunt before the trading deadline. Did any of the teams in the league make a significant deal, that added a player/players that got them into the playoffs by the July 31st deadline?”

    I don’t know if making the playoffs is as important as the players traded. Overall finding a P was relatively easy last season and there were some ok bats too. A BP hole is something they should be able to shore up mid-season and probably a rotation hole too.

    There were several relatively impactful trades in late January and into February last year, so there might be some guys coming onto the trade market shortly: Morse (1/16), Upton (1/24), Lowrie (2/4), and Kelley (2/13).

    Ps who got traded in-season included Peavy, Nolasco, Garza, Feldman, Norris, IPK, Veras, Crain, Luis Ayala, Thornton, Axford, Marc Rzepczynski, KRod, Downs, Harang twice, and Wesley Wright.

    On the position player side, Garcia/Iglesias, Soriano, Rios, Byrd & Buck, Morse, Kubel, DeJesus twice, Callaspo, Jamey Carroll, Suzuki, and Brendan Ryan.

  163. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Unfortunate , I sense a lot of Javier Vazquez in Ervin.

  164. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Mick-

    He might. But I think he really suffers from sticker shock more.

  165. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Source: @Cubs could go as high as $26 million per year for 7 years for #Tanaka
    ===================
    Music to Hal’s ears.

  166. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    GF, he seems tired and a bit jaded. And he doesn’t seem to take joy in the job – at least not in the part that is visible to us.

    —–

    That’s exactly how I see it.

    Like you, I was a big supporter of Cashman for several years and was completely on-board with his philosophy on player development (stockpiling young arms and catchers).

    However, sooner or later, you have to start producing results. I was more than willing to be patient and waiting for the farm to bear fruit.

    But he’s had control of the farm since 2005 (that’s 9 freaking years ago!!!) and I’m not seeing the accountability for his lackluster results.

    Change is definitely needed but I have my doubts that Hal would ever go so bold and hire a GM outside of the organization. He’s much more likely to go with the “safe choice” as you said, which may not solve their issues.

  167. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    mick-

    perhaps ?

    But losing out on a guy w MT’s youth and potential is nothing to celebrate about IMO.

    the others are plan B items.

  168. Kelvin January 18th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    I think the Yankees would go as high as 22M, if needed… but 26M is just insane.

  169. pat January 18th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    ” And he doesn’t seem to take joy in the job – at least not in the part that is visible to us.”

    Cashman has been the poster child for a mid life crisis in the last couple of years. He might be ready for a change of scenery.

    MTU

    I just agreed to accompany our mountain goat of a son on a rock scramble hike tomorrow because his friend backed out at the last minute. Pray for me.

  170. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    “I guess they could scrape the bottom of the barrel if they really want to with guys like Arroyo, or Maholm but to me that makes little sense.”

    There are a whole lot of guys below those two in the barrel.

  171. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    MTU

    I’ve said it before. I just don’t think Hal will spend on what he thinks is not value for his dollar.
    I don’t think he wanted Cano back on his terms or Tanaka if that is the case.
    It seems as if Tanaka is taking his time to shop and that does not give Hal the advantage.
    I believe he definitely has a severe fear of the unknown..

  172. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Pat-

    Where at ? I’ll gladly put you in my prayers.

    What if it turns out you like it, what then ?

    ;)

  173. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Ted-

    True. But those guys are no great shakes in my book and represent a bare minimum to me.

    Mick-

    He’d better get over it !

    Risk taking is a part of the business.

    The Yankees are in a better position to assume it than just about anyone else.

    It’s inappropriate IMO.

  174. Captain Clutch January 18th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    I wouldn’t worry about what the Cubs offer because I doubt he would seriously consider going there. The real question is what is the Dodgers offer and how much higher is it than the Yanks? I hate the Dodgers. They are going to have a $300m pay roll and you don’t hear anything about it. If it was the Yanks the media would be going crazy.

  175. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    “Change is definitely needed but I have my doubts that Hal would ever go so bold and hire a GM outside of the organization. He’s much more likely to go with the “safe choice” as you said, which may not solve their issues.”

    hal is probably going to have to fail miserably and publicly becomes a laughing stock before he really changes the way he does things.

    if he owns the yankees long enough he’ll pick up some things through osmosis if nothing else.
    at some point the weight of fans, writers, history, finances, etc will sink into his simplistic brain.

    as i said hal’s plan is a 6% plan.

    that’s not yankee baseball.

  176. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Hal should be looking at Tanaka as a replacement for CC, either now or later.
    If Tanaka were Kershaw, maybe even Scherzer or Lester, next year they would be ours at more than Tanaka cost.
    This could be his line of thought..

  177. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    I’m ready for the Mashiro Tanaka saga to be over and done with.

    In fact, I think all or most of us are more than ready.

    It’s time to move on from this Glacier.

  178. blake January 18th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Captain Clutch says:
    January 18, 2014 at 11:01 am
    @SeanBoswellABC6

    Source: @Cubs could go as high as $26 million per year for 7 years for #Tanaka

    I don’t know how wise it would be to chase him that high…..be hard to justify not signing cano if you’re gonna give tanaka more money than you offered him.

  179. blake January 18th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    7x 26 is 7/182.

    The yanks top offer to cano was 7/175.

  180. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    MTU

    Hal seems to have a fear of spending, at least he’s very cautious,
    Unlike his Dad who thought like a fan.

  181. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    7/182 is insane. that’s sure-fire #1 pitcher money. which he is not.

  182. blake January 18th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    7/182 seems crazy for tanaka to me

  183. Captain Clutch January 18th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    $26m a year for Tanaka is really ridiculous. I think the highest that the Yanks would think about going is $21m or $22m a year. He can turn out to Dice-K part 2 for all we know.

  184. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    I really don’t care what HS’s line of thinking is.

    Like most all I want is a winning team.

    If that takes money it takes money.

    If it takes something else fine.

    It’s time to bury 189.

    It’s where it should have been all along.

    It was a Frankenstein creation.

    Like Kryptonite for a team like the Yankees.

    It took away their greatest strength.

    ;)

  185. pat January 18th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    MTU

    A place about 40 miles north of us called Breakneck Ridge.

    I grew up hiking and camping so I know I like that. Our son likes climbing which I am less comfortable with because of the heights and lack of soil under my feet. Rock scrambling is us meeting in the middle, God help me.

  186. oak2455 January 18th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    I love the Cubs make a real offer………I’m guessing the others weren’t ? lol

  187. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    The way to divert the fan is to grab 3-4 FA’s named Balfour, Santana/Garza, Baker immediately after “losing” Tanaka, which btw, we never had..

  188. oak2455 January 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Funny thing is the Yanks have been really quiet about this………

  189. Captain Clutch January 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Even $20m a year is insane for someone who has never thrown a major league pitch. I keep thinking that the Dodgers have him in the bag and their offer is going to be ridiculous.

  190. Ys Guy January 18th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    if it goes over about 7/157, i’d let the cubs have him.

  191. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    “I’m ready for the Mashiro Tanaka saga to be over and done with.”

    mtu-

    hal can basically with the signing of tanaka shut me, and other fans like me, the F up.

    signing tanaka,he will go into spring training with all kinds of fan excitement which translates to selling tickets.

    without tanaka, there is little excitement. little buzz.

    hal really needs to sign tanaka.

    this is his one chance to prove me and other distractors wrong.

    george wouldn’t miss the chance to tell all of us to STFU.

  192. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    I really don’t care what HS’s line of thinking is.
    ==============
    You should ;) .
    He does not seem to think like a crazed fan who cares not what the cost , like George.
    It would save many the agita of waiting on the mystery that is Hal..

  193. Captain Clutch January 18th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Funny thing is the Yanks have been really quiet about this………
    ———–

    Yeah I don’t know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. It’s almost like they have been too quiet that it makes me think that maybe their offer isn’t going to be that good.

  194. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    perhaps Mick.

    But I stick to what I said.

    IMO he needs to get over it.

    He’s loaded.

    He wins when the Yankees win.

    And spending w/o artificial limits helps them do that.

    And so does risk taking.

    Putting a winner on the field is only going to help him make more money.

    He doesn’t have to be clever about it.

    We’re not the Rays.

    Spending too little is more dangerous than spending too much.

    ;)

  195. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    “However, sooner or later, you have to start producing results. I was more than willing to be patient and waiting for the farm to bear fruit.

    But he’s had control of the farm since 2005 (that’s 9 freaking years ago!!!) and I’m not seeing the accountability for his lackluster results.”

    Yankees had a pretty strong run from about 2005 to 2011 or so with the farm. They turned out one or two contributors every season. It’s really only been the last year or two they haven’ turned anything out. They had Cano, Wang, Melky, Hughes, Joba, IPK, Gardner, AJax, Robertson, Aceves, Coke, Veras, Melancon, McAllister, Dunn, Cervelli, Nova, Montero/Pineda, Phelps… that was a solid run, especially for a team that lost some early picks and picked late in the round.

    I think that the recent dry spell is nothing more than a normal variation. Bad luck basically. You had a perfect storm of busts and injuries to prospects at a time when the big league team had some acute needs emerge. Pineda and Banuelos alone could have made the last two seasons successful ones for the farm if they never got injured. Throw in Montgomery and more development time for Romine and Adams (who lost a year or two each) and they could have been banner years. Ravel Santana could also be one of their best prospects somewhere in the mid-to-high minors right now. Obviously every system deals with injuries, but the Yankees have had a run that I think deviates from normal into bad luck.

  196. pkyankfan69 January 18th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    I want Tanaka but if we lose him to a $182M contract so be it.

  197. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Being gunshy is for Pus*ies.

    I don’t want a pus*y running our NY Yankees.

    Man up Hal.

    ;)

  198. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    ‘Source: @Cubs could go as high as $26 million per year for 7 years for #Tanaka’

    ===========

    Dodgers could go as high as $ 30 million per year … (anythings possible)

    ==============

    Yankees could go as high as $ 50 million per year … (anythings possible)

    +++++++++++

    An asteroid could crash into the Earth … (anythings possible)

    Woulda … Coulda … Shoulda …………….

  199. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Being gunshy is for Pus*ies.
    ===============
    What does this mean?
    Go for Mr T at any cost?

  200. oak2455 January 18th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    CCrunch I agree but could also see the Yanks blowing everybody away……Cashman the Ninja strikes again

  201. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    pat-

    That sounds like fun.

    A chance for you to share some quality time with your boy.

    Sounds like you will do well.

    Have fun. let me know how it turned out.

    You might rediscover you’re inner you.

    :)

  202. Captain Clutch January 18th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Hal saw how much money the Yanks lost from not being good/making the play offs. I think he is willing to spend money but I could see him getting nervous spending this kind of money on Tanaka. He has never thrown a major league pitch and he might prefer one of the other pitchers that have more of a track record. They could probably get Garza, Balfour, and Drew for a little bit more than Tanaka will get per year.

  203. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    I’m sure many fans would be fine on passing Tanaka if the cost is too high.
    He’s not exactly getting the press that Darvish got.
    If they make a viable attempt at 3-4 other FA’s, for the same money, that should cover Hal’s tracks.

  204. Doreen January 18th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    “Cashman has been the poster child for a mid life crisis in the last couple of years. He might be ready for a change of scenery.”

    That’s an understatement!!! Lol

  205. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    “Cashman has been the poster child for a mid life crisis in the last couple of years.
    =====================
    Nothing a few years in KC wouldn’t cure, not that they’d have him..

  206. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    No Mick-

    It means the Yankees should not be afraid to take risks is all.

    Not referring to MT. Whatever happens there happens.

    You told me that you thought HS was risk averse, or at least that’s what I thought I heard.

    Well he can’t afford to be is what I’m claiming. There won’t always be sure things out there for Hal.

    And if he is totally gunshy and risk-averse then yeah I’d call him a pus*sy.

    I doubt he is though.

    ;)

  207. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    “Spending too little is more dangerous than spending too much.”

    The issue with spending too much is the opportunity cost. It limits your ability to spend down the road. So, say they spend $15 mill per for the next 5 years to get Garza/Ubaldo/Santana this off-season. Those guys all have the ability to be front-end SPs, but they’ve also all been back-end SPs recently. Spending that money today might get you a back-end SP and limit their ability to go after a Cabrera, Headley, Scherzer, Lester, etc. down the line. Or to do anything else that’s a better use of the money. Same goes for overpaying Tanaka or any other excessive spending.

    I don’t really care about how much the Yankees spend, as a fan, but I do care when they can’t improve the team because they’re wasting money on mediocre players.

    It’s not about being as cheap as the Rays (and clearly they aren’t after their spending spree earlier this off-season), but what their cheapness (along with their finance backgrounds) has sort of forced the Rays to do is become value investors. Tanaka is not the same investment at $26 mill per as he is at $18 mill per. Just like Apple is not the same investment at $500 as $300.

  208. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Look on the bright side with the Tanaka soap opera

    Only 5 more days until the deadline if it goes that long

    5 days will fly right by ………….

    Than we can move on to new business

  209. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Time to walk the mopheads.

    Later gang.

    :)

  210. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    It means the Yankees should not be afraid to take risks is all.

    Not referring to MT. Whatever happens there happens.
    =============
    MTU

    What other risks is he facing?

  211. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Yes Corn.

    Life Will go on either way.

    Later.

    :)

  212. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    “Well he can’t afford to be is what I’m claiming. There won’t always be sure things out there for Hal.

    And if he is totally gunshy and risk-averse then yeah I’d call him a pus*sy.”

    Being risk averse is not a black and white thing. There are trade-offs and downsides to everything you do. Clearly a guy who just paid McCann, Ellsbury, and Beltran all that money and has previously given historic deals to guys like A-Rod and CC is not completely risk averse. He just took some enormous risks.

  213. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Mick-

    He might be facing the risk of not doing enough. We’ll see.

    I have to go. Sorry.

  214. Can of Corn January 18th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Later Senor MTU ………..

  215. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    It seems like the biggest proponents of Yankee Excellence reside in states other than NY.
    They are Yankee Fans, no doubt, but the kind that always gave us a bad name among Yankee Haters.
    The Win at Any Cost Kind and do it now…not that there’s anything wrong with that. ;)

  216. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    “I’m sure many fans would be fine on passing Tanaka if the cost is too high.
    He’s not exactly getting the press that Darvish got.”

    Some fans would, but in general you see fans just lumping every IFA from Solar to Chapman to Darvish all together under a giant “Yankees failed” sign.

    The Tanaka hype has also gotten pretty high.

    “If they make a viable attempt at 3-4 other FA’s, for the same money, that should cover Hal’s tracks.”

    Hoping they don’t make any rash decisions for PR’s or pride’s sake. When people are talking about Igawa fear or whatever, this should have been the real lesson they learned from Igawa: don’t make a move just to save face or spend your money when you lose out on your first choice.

  217. Russell Munson January 18th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    “it looks to me we’re going into this season with a 6% chance of winning instead of our normal 27% chance.”

    Even if you were 100% guaranteed to make the postseason, you really can’t have more than a 1 in 8 shot at winning the World Series with all the extra rounds of postseason. Your “normal” 27% includes the time when there were only two teams that even made the World Series.

  218. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Yankees had a pretty strong run from about 2005 to 2011 or so with the farm. They turned out one or two contributors every season. It’s really only been the last year or two they haven’ turned anything out. They had Cano, Wang, Melky, Hughes, Joba, IPK, Gardner, AJax, Robertson, Aceves, Coke, Veras, Melancon, McAllister, Dunn, Cervelli, Nova, Montero/Pineda, Phelps… that was a solid run, especially for a team that lost some early picks and picked late in the round.

    —–

    I wouldn’t include Cano or Wang among the group of youngsters the farm has produced since Cashman’s public takeover because they were rookies in 2005 and he didn’t officially take the reigns until the Fall of 2005. So my initial take of 9 years should be corrected to 8 years.

    They’ve done a good job in developing relievers but certainly not a good job developing starters, catchers, or position players.

    That’s not exactly ideal when you’re entire strategy is to stockpile young arms and catchers (2 positions that every team covets) so you don’t have to buy them for huge money on the open market.

  219. mick January 18th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    I don’t think Hal cares what others think.
    This is also a good attribute and the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
    Yankee fans have a sense of entitlement which leads them to wanting every high profile FA that’s out there as if other teams have no right to them.
    The fact that they will not be held hostage by this new breed of FA is a good thing.

  220. Against All Odds January 18th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    They’ve done a good job in developing relievers but certainly not a good job developing starters, catchers, or position players.

    —————-

    Trye the excel on the relieve front. I don’t think the pen will be an issue with Joe and his staff. Obviously losing Mo hurts but they know how to build a pen.

    It’s the other areas you stated that they need to improve on.

  221. Against All Odds January 18th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    they not tyre

    reliever*

  222. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    “Ted-

    True. But those guys are no great shakes in my book and represent a bare minimum to me.”

    I could see those guys being more attractive on one year deals than Garza/Ubaldo/Santana on long-term deals. They buy you time to see what you have in-house and/or try again when a better value comes along. Ubaldo and Santana are hard for me to figure out because they’re so up-and-down, but overall I think that group has a good shot at being the next Burnett, Vazquez, Pavano, Jaret Wright type of overpays.

  223. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Mick,

    You prefer the lose at low cost?

  224. mick January 18th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Mac

    I root for whatever we have and , make no mistake about it, I have no say in who they acquire.
    I will not pine for Tanaka or whomever else FA du jour is out there unless his name was Reggie or Catfish or even Jimmy Key.
    To say it’s Tanaka or bust is a bit entitled, yathink?

  225. austinmac January 18th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    I have rooted for whoever we have for a long time. It is more fun to win. But, like you, I am powerless over it.

  226. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Ted-

    You’ve made some good counterpoints.

    They just don’t happen to resonate with me.

    It’s good to hear alternate POV’s though and I appreciate you presenting them in the manner you did.

    :)

  227. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    “I wouldn’t include Cano or Wang among the group of youngsters the farm has produced since Cashman’s public takeover because they were rookies in 2005 and he didn’t officially take the reigns until the Fall of 2005. So my initial take of 9 years should be corrected to 8 years.”

    It’s hard to draw that line so clearly. Cashman has been GM since 1998. Newman has been VP of Baseball Ops since 2002 and was in the org since the core of the dynasty years was constructed. Oppenheimer was Director of Player Personnel since 2001.

    “They’ve done a good job in developing relievers but certainly not a good job developing starters, catchers, or position players.
    That’s not exactly ideal when you’re entire strategy is to stockpile young arms and catchers (2 positions that every team covets) so you don’t have to buy them for huge money on the open market.”

    I think we have to establish expectations. Every team is going to have a lot of misses. Especially with SPs and Cs. The reason they’re so expensive is because good ones are so scarce.

    They haven’t had that top-of-the-rotation mainstay, but those guys are really rare outside the high first round. They have turned out some solid MLB SPs, though.

    How many teams have developed more C talent over that time period than Montero (trade value wise), Cervelli, Sanchez, Romine, Murphy, Torrens, O’Brien, etc.? And how many of the teams that did had one hit on an early 1st rounder like Posey or Weiters?

    You’re exaggerating a ton in saying their whole strategy is Cs and SPs. They go harder after Cs than most teams, but they also have used a lot of their biggest chips on OFs and IFs. Every team is trying to develop SPs, and I don’t think the Yankees have gone particularly harder there than most teams.

  228. mick January 18th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Mac

    Like I said before. NY gets a lot of hate for many reasons.
    Just look at ESPN and their propaganda.
    It’s just funny that a lot of the bias that NY fans and teams are hated for , here at LoHud, comes from out of towners…

  229. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Mick-

    If money and sense of entitlement is the reason to be hated then talk to the Dodgers.

    They act like the new us. They’re jumping on most everything that has a heartbeat.

    How come no one is hating on them ?

    Or are they ?

  230. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Mick-

    Being hated is a sign of respect.

    It means you’re feared. And it also usually means you’re good.

    So I say, bring it on.

    Let them hate us as much as they want.

    Why should we care. We’ll just go on collecting rings like always.

    ;)

  231. joeman January 18th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    stated back in late November that the Cubs were the team the NYY had to out-bid to get Tanaka

  232. joeman January 18th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    you remember that Mike ?

  233. Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    “They just don’t happen to resonate with me.”

    I’m just saying that there’s a point at which the value on Garza, Santana, Ubaldo is too poor and the opportunity cost too high. Not that Arroyo and Maholm *are* more attractive than the Garza, Ubaldo, and Santana crowd, just that there’s a price spread at which they are. Obviously the hard part is quantifying it.

    The best option might just be to roll with Pineda, Phelps, and Warren for two spots to start the season, if Arroyo and Maholm cost anything too substantial. (Again, what substantial means is the hard part.)

  234. joeman January 18th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    always nice when you have events to look forward

    Tanaka..picks team
    Super Bowl
    Spring Training
    March Madness
    MLB..opening day
    Stanley Cup playoffs
    Las Vegas

  235. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Joeman-

    I don’t but I’ll take your word for it.

    If they want to bid crazy money I say have at it.

    Almost anyone can get a player that way.

    If he wants only money and doesn’t mind being w a perennial loser that’s up to him.

    He’ll be lucky to ever get a ring over there. And he certainly won’t be testing himself.

    Maybe he doesn’t prize the things outside of the highest dollar.

    If he doesn’t we really don’t need him.

  236. blake January 18th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    I want the Yankees to be good long term again and not have to continually throw money at holes every single offseason…..

    Tanaka could be a piece to that plan due to his age if the price isn’t ridiculous…..I’m not sure the other guys left are.

    Again I think we have to assume there is a payroll limit even if it’s higher than 189…..so the yanks need to fit as much production into that number as they can….even if they don’t get it all done this offseason

  237. joeman January 18th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    Joeman-

    I don’t but I’ll take your word for it.

    If they want to bid crazy money I say have at it.

    Almost anyone can get a player that way.

    If he wants only money and doesn’t mind being w a perennial loser that’s up to him.

    He’ll be lucky to ever get a ring over there. And he certainly won’t be testing himself.

    Maybe he doesn’t prize the things outside of the highest dollar.

    If he doesn’t we really don’t need him.
    ———————————————————
    Cubs are a team on the rise..right now pitching is their focus

  238. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Ted-

    That is an option. Doing nothing.

    Clearly I do not favor it. I don’t think Hal does either.

    Guess we’ll see the path soon enough.

  239. joeman January 18th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    if no Tanaka…then bring in a closer …2 SPers and have at it

  240. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    “I’m sure many fans would be fine on passing Tanaka if the cost is too high.”

    yes, these rare your 6% fans, the ones who are happy even if the yankees win only once every 15 years.

    the majority of yankees fans are not 6% fans, they are 27% fans… fans that like 27 championships in the past 100 years.

    this BS about “Yankees love them or leave them” is totally self serving by hal and his supporters.

    real yankee fans are the 27% ers
    sign tanaka.
    roll the effing dice.

  241. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Joeman-

    Yes. But how long will that take ?

    And even if they are who says it translates into anything worthwhile ?

    I think Epstein is sometimes given this mythical quality.

    And IMO it is not entirely valid.

    If the teddy bears want to go to the moon for MT and he buys their spiel more power to him.

    I think he’ll find that he regrets that decision in the long run.

    Just as Cano might.

  242. Russell Munson January 18th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    “real yankee fans are the 27% ers”

    Again, the days of having a 27% chance of winning the World Series are over.

  243. joeman January 18th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    just looked at the Cubs roster…they are more than help at SPing

  244. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Joeman-

    I said “keep your eyes on the prize”.

    You probably thought, quite reasonably, that I meant MT.

    Well that is not what I meant.

    The prize = good pitching.

    That could be MT, or Garza, or Ubaldo, or ES, etc.

    It means having a solid and top flight pitching staff.

    THAT is the prize.

    That is what I desire. We need to get there.

    ;)

  245. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    And we’d better shore up that pen too.

    And that IF.

    ;)

  246. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    CC
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Phelps/Pineda
    Nuno/Warren

    Is not a safe bet.

    And it is not on par with the best rotations.

    Therefore, keep you eyes on the prize.

    ;)

  247. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    “Again, the days of having a 27% chance of winning the World Series are over.”

    why?

    the red sox have just won 30% of the past ten world series.

  248. Giuseppe Franco January 18th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Ted Nelson January 18th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    You’re exaggerating a ton in saying their whole strategy is Cs and SPs. They go harder after Cs than most teams, but they also have used a lot of their biggest chips on OFs and IFs. Every team is trying to develop SPs, and I don’t think the Yankees have gone particularly harder there than most teams.

    —–

    Not really.

    Stockpiling arms and catchers was indeed their focus for a number of drafts (think 2006 to 2010 or so) but it does appear they have shifted their focus the last couple of drafts to more position players.

    Obviously, their previous strategy wasn’t producing the expected results.

  249. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    How stupid would it be, and actually ironic, if the Yankees went to all this trouble to fix their O only to wind up neglecting their Pitching.

    That would be height of stupid in my book. A real hoot.

    I don’t see them being caught with their pants down like that.

    At least I hope that’s what Hal realizes.

    The job is not done. It needs to be finished. And finished right.

  250. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    New one ——->

  251. macintosh January 18th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    giants have won 20% of past ten years.

    cardinals have win 20% of past ten years.

    the yankees are at 10%.

    why are the yankees behind the red sox , giants , and cardinals?

    facts are facts.

    the yankees are not the yankees the past ten years.

    the red sox are now the yankees.

    that’s what hal has brought us.

    hal is the best thing the red sox have going.

    of course he could prove me wrong and sign tanaka.

    personally,i think he’d need a few gummie bears to get his testosterone up enough to pull the tanaka trigger.

  252. MTU January 18th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Apple-

    Please feel free to oblige him.

    ;)

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