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Chasing Tanaka could be about more than numbers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 20, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro TanakaFour days from the Masahiro Tanaka deadline, and there’s still a lot of uncertainty about where he’s leaning. Depending on the report, the Cubs are either the favorite or an absolute long shot. The Dodgers might be on the verge of adding Tanaka to their massive payroll, or they might be focused on extensions for Clayton Kershaw and (eventually) Hanley Ramirez. The Mariners, White Sox and Diamondbacks pop into the discussion from time to time, and of course the Yankees are still lurking, staying awfully quiet about their own negotiations.

One National League executive told Dave Waldstein that he expects the Yankees to “do what the Yankees do and bid more than any other team.”

What I can’t help wondering is, what if this comes down to something beyond money? It’s a possibility that’s been discussed plenty — the idea that Tanaka’s wife might prefer the West Coast; that he might want to win right away — but this late in the game, I have to believe no involved team is offering anything short of a massive contract. Even if we’re only getting bits and pieces of information, surely the teams involved have a good idea of what it will take financially.

Question is, what will it take beyond money? And how much does that matter?

The Yankees can offer a high-profile team in a massive market that’s built around a diverse city. They have a roster that already includes two Japanese standouts, and the franchise has maintained strong ties to iconic Japanese slugger Hideki Matsui. By investing in a new core of position players, the Yankees can make a case that Tanaka would make them a potent World Series contender (on which Tanaka would play a pivotal role). But they can’t offer the West Coast, they can’t promise Tanaka will become the biggest star on his team, and if he doesn’t like bright lights of New York City, there’s little the Yankees can do about.

Any team seriously involved in negotiations is well aware signing Tanaka is going to require a bunch of money and a long-term commitment. But what no one except Tanaka can really know (or impact) is what other factors — if any — are being weighed more heavily than a few extra million here or there.

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81 Responses to “Chasing Tanaka could be about more than numbers”

  1. bigdan22 January 20th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Re-post

    Alfred Prufrock January 20th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock January 20th, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    “Jeter is an all time Yankee great and one of the most famous athletes of his time. But you just don’t conjure up “leadership” when you hear his name.”

    ///

    “This is decidedly untrue, bigdan22.

    _______

    Thanks for this write-up on Jeter Pruf. It was extremely informative. I think my original point was not that Jeter wasn’t a leader, but that he is not famous for being a leader. Maybe I’m wrong there as well but it doesn’t seem like he gets as much credit as he should. He certainly doesn’t pull the “Tom Brady Act” on the sidelines and I think we all appreciate that.

    One of the things I enjoy about this blog sometimes and about the comments on YouTube is that every once in awhile you run into someone with first hand knowledge. I def appreciate the observations you bring here, especially your reports from Trenton. In some ways, Trenton is the most important stop on the road to the Bronx.

    Thanks again.

  2. mick January 20th, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    What is perplexing is the lack of reports from anyone on his personality.
    McGeehee and Andruw Jones say he is a great pitcher but we get no sense of who he is or what he wants.
    The closest thing is that we hear his wife likes the west coast.
    What does this tell us about him?
    One thing, it might be better if he goes elsewhere if the idea of pitching in NY does not appeal to him.
    That would be a much worse disaster than the Igawa signing.

  3. Revenge of Stoneburner January 20th, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
    As I pointed out last week money is not the key element for Tanaka. And just as it was believed last week The Cubbies have thrown the most dough at him. Yanks are hanging in there ( Ichiro and Kuroda Ambassadors ) but The Dodgers were the believed to have the inside track…..Heard today that The Halos might be out of the running.

    ******

    But should the Dodgers be more worried about improving their 17th ranked in runs last year? From Olney:

    “The Dodgers have exhausted a lot of internal energy trying to help Puig in all the ways he needs help because he can be that good. The Dodgers have great pitching, but their lineup has its holes — this is a team that finished 17th in the majors in runs last season — and another dynamic showing from Puig really is imperative.”

  4. bigdan22 January 20th, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    Matsui really needs to come back and coach or something. You know that would make Jeter happy. Maybe he can teach a drawing class at the New School too.

  5. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Mick-

    See my response at the end of the last thread.

    ;)

  6. mick January 20th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    bigdan

    for once i agree with pruf and meant to say something as soon as you posted but noticed you had gone.

    when i think of jeter, leader is the 1st thing that comes to mind. always has.

    in so many ways.

    when he speaks i listen. he is very honest and blunt. no fluff about him.

    if he is not the leader here then the wrong people surround him..

  7. mick January 20th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    OK MTU

    I will take your word on Mr T.
    I do want him and picture him as an Ace.

  8. Revenge of Stoneburner January 20th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    I just hope Tanaka is not as slow on the mound as making/announcing a decision or the Sox/Yanks games are going to be even longer this year (especially when you add in instant replay)

  9. tomingeorgia January 20th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Stone,
    Why would you reply reply before the last, best offer is made?

  10. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    Mick-

    Don’t just take my word for it.

    Please watch the videos in the link below :

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....s-pitches/

    Pay particular attention to the 3rd video.

    Then see if you agree with me.

    ;)

  11. Revenge of Stoneburner January 20th, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Stone,
    Why would you reply reply before the last, best offer is made?

    *****

    sorry i do not follow -what are you referring to?

  12. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Stoneburner…..Once again Onley has his head up his Onley !!! Yeah stat wise the Dodgers offense looks dull but what that little chump fails to point out is all the injuries that lineup dealt with in 2013 especially the first 3 months. Once they had guys return they had the most lethal lineup in the NL and maybe all of baseball. Their 2014 healthy lineup is going to eat up rotations next season and then spit them out……They are a monster waiting to devour the NL

  13. Revenge of Stoneburner January 20th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Stoneburner…..Once again Onley has his head up his Onley !!!

    *****

    he-he-he – I like that. I might use that one – if that’s okay?

    Do you think they would go crazy-crazy and try to trade for Price as some have speculated back in November?

  14. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Stonebrunner. Now David Price is a guy you open the bank vaults for but that’s not for another 2 years…..That video that MTU posted highlights 3 different pitches which is nice, and although I think Tanaka will be a good pitcher in the bigs, I just don’t see him as this wonderkin type arm that so many here have come to believe…. He has an ordinary fastball and as I mentioned before when his bread and butter split takes the night off, big league hitters are going to be sitting on his average ( at best ) fastball…..Schilling and The Rocket had gas to cover any shortcoming that might surface with their split…..This guy is no Schill or Rockett

  15. Revenge of Stoneburner January 20th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    ******

    If you had to guess, you think Pineda breaks camp with the Yanks, or do they hold him down in the warm weather Florida, limit the innings early in the year, and then unleash him around mid-May/Memorial Day???

  16. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    Pat M.-

    Tanaka has other excellent weapons besides his Split.

    For example his slider is above average.

    Other thing is that his FB is far from pedestrian.

    He can get up there at well over 95 when he wants to.

    He also commands all of his stuff extremely well.

    Watch those video again.

    Watch the intensity.

    ;)

  17. Jorge Mexico January 20th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    We all know Tanaka’s deadline is on Friday. I read over there that this includes him taking his physicals. If that’s the case, he’ll have to make a decision maybe on Wednesday, to have enough time.
    Anyone knows something about this?

  18. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    MTU….Fastball is flat….Shame all the video is just about from the center field camera…..The real glow about him was his age and the cost. He’s still young but man the cost is going up beyond what was once expected. He’ll be a good 3 maybe even a 2 type guy. Right place right time is why he’s going to be a very rich young man

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 20th, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    Checking in to say hi! Have had company since Saturday.

    Two great words – PEYTON MANNING!

    Two other great words – MORE SNOW!

    :)

    GO YANKEES!!!

  20. exiledintampa January 20th, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    So the only 2 states to legalize pot have the 2 teams in the superbowl.

    There’s gotta be a connection right?

    Right?

  21. exiledintampa January 20th, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    They’re getting together for a super bowl. Right?

  22. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    Pat M.-

    At over 95 MPH with pinpoint control it doesn’t have to have as much movement.

    I think this kid has what it takes to do well.

    Both stuff wise as well as mentality wise.

    The price is inflated but that’s showbiz.

    He has been scouted for 2 years.

    They should know every hair on his butt by now.

    If they are willing to go there it isn’t with blinders on.

    ;)

  23. pete2 January 20th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    I think the location factor, LA vs NY is overblown. First, as someone else mentioned, there is only a 2 hr difference in flight time between NY and LA to Tokyo. Second, a player only spends 3 months a year actually living in the city he plays for.

    Tanaka and his wife can spend most of their time in LA in the offseason (when they are not back in Japan). During the regular season his wife can spend most of her time in LA with short visits to NY when Tanaka is in NY during long homestands.

    Probably more important, besides the money, is the quality of the team and the park. He wants to look good for his fans in Japan. The better he and the team plays the more endorsements he gets in Japan. The biggest drawback for the Yankees is the question of how good they will be in 2014 and beyond, a hitters park (esp for LHB’ers which means bad for RHP’ers), a tough division in a league with a DH, and a questionable IF defense.

    So the Yankees need to beat LA’s offer by a good amount since all else being equal LA has it over NY.

  24. Jerkface January 20th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Scouts rate his fastball as 60+, which means by definition its not average. It has incredibly high vertical pitchfx movement which means it has ‘rise’ and will suppress HRs. As well as decent horizontal movement.

  25. AAA January 20th, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    At over 95 MPH with pinpoint control it doesn’t have to have as much movement.

    =======================

    He doesn’t sit at 95, nevermind over it.

  26. blake January 20th, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Ben Badler posted a report on Tanaka this morning….he said Tanaka has 3 pitches that grade out at 60 or better on the scouting scale and I’ve read and heard that his split is at least a 70 pitch. I think he’s gonna be very good in MLB…..

  27. blake January 20th, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    He sits low 90s but he can tough higher….he touched 97 in the WBC

  28. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Overpriced and at this stage overhyped. Other than The Dodgers, the other clubs are throwing desperate dollars his way. Once again he’ll be good but nothing really special

  29. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    AAA-

    I think Blake just answered you.

    Tanaka has an extra gear.

  30. pete2 January 20th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    “At over 95 MPH with pinpoint control it doesn’t have to have as much movement.”

    My understanding is he sits at 92 with the 2 seamer. Not sure you will see 95 much more than you saw it with Daisuke who was said to top out at 95 before he came over, especially with the increased workload.

    That said, Koji Uehara makes hitters look silly with a 89 mph FB that also had little movement. Kept hitters off balance with that splitter which Tanaka has too, and he had good location, plus a bit of deception in his delivery. So velocity may not be as big as factor as for Daisuke.

    Daisuke did not have any great secondary pitchers although he was supposed to have plus breaking stuff. He had trouble with the MLB ball due to his smallish hands and his breaking stuff was only ok. The NPB went with a bigger ball same size as MLB balls 3 years ago, so that should not be an issue for Tanaka. However, the ball was a dead ball, especially the first 2 years, and the seams were different giving the ball more movement according to some pitchers.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock January 20th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Thanks for this write-up on Jeter Pruf. It was extremely informative. I think my original point was not that Jeter wasn’t a leader, but that he is not famous for being a leader. Maybe I’m wrong there as well but it doesn’t seem like he gets as much credit as he should. He certainly doesn’t pull the “Tom Brady Act” on the sidelines and I think we all appreciate that.
    ///

    My pleasure, bigdan.

    Cano’s comment that Jeter never “talks behind your back” but tells you personally what he thinks you needed to do in a given situation, or what you have to work on, or what have you – lets us know what the captain is all about.

    As for Brady, sure can’t see Jeter’s squeeze calling out Yankees teammates on twitter, lol.

    Yeah, Trenton is kind of the proving ground for Yankee ‘spects. Glad you find the observations useful. The really great thing about AA is other team’s high profile kids are also on display, and you do get to see some good young arms. Seeing Gausman, Barnes and Biddle, for instance, was a trip. Watching your own guys have to hit against them provides some perspective that you’re not getting in the SALLY or short season.

  32. Earwig January 20th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Overpriced and at this stage overhyped. Other than The Dodgers, the other clubs are throwing desperate dollars his way. Once again he’ll be good but nothing really special

    ———————

    Stick to gambling with your friend Nick

  33. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Pat M.-

    We’ll see.

    I see him as younger version of Kuroda.

    Arsenal. Makeup. Very similar.

    ;)

  34. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    One thing I definitely agree with is that there is too much hype.

    ;)

  35. mick January 20th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    MTU

    I saw those gifs just this morning and have to say Darvish is more impressive.
    I tend to agree with Pat M on this one and think he is overhyped.
    The Yanks might be giving it the college try a la Cano but have a feeling they will let him pass
    to a team that will buy the hype more than they will and will be willing to pay for it.
    This is all a guess on my part as I have no feel for the mystery man.

  36. blake January 20th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    I’m not sure he’s overhyped because most reports are that he’s not as good as Darvish and that he’s more of a #2 starter…..it’s just that teams are willing to pay a lot for the at age 25. It could be also that some of the actual teams think as I do that his splitter may even play better in MLB than it does in Japan…..it’s just not a pitch that’s seen a lot right now here and hitters seem to have trouble with it.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock January 20th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Pat M,

    I did see your info on Soler, thanks. Not pulling the trigger on any of those guys was indefensible.

  38. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    MTU….And I was watching Kuroda when he first came to the Dodgers in 08 and yeah he was good then and actually has gotten better …. I’m not saying everyone’s newly adopted son is not going to be a good MLB pitcher, but what I am saying and have been saying is that he’s not going to be some impact dominating guy as many here have come to believe……Good but not a 20 million dollar a year guy, but he’ll get that. Once again keep in mind, if he does go to The Dodgers, he’ll be slotted 4 or maybe even 5 in their rotation. Yo Earwig dude, be cool

  39. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Mick-

    Whatever happens happens I guess.

    There are other alternatives if it doesn’t happen.

    I still think he’s likely a good one.

    Let the chips fall where they may.

  40. pete2 January 20th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    “But should the Dodgers be more worried about improving their 17th ranked in runs last year?”

    Dodgers had quite a few injuries last year. Hanley, Kemp and Crawford were all out for periods of time, and Puig missed the first 2 months of the season. Their bench got way too many AB as most of them were outmakers.

  41. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    I don’t see Tanaka being the 4th starter for the Dodgers and certainly not the 5th…..I would guess he will start the 3rd game of the season with Ryu starting the 4th and the whoever is healthy enough and pitching well enough from the other guys to be the 5th starter

  42. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Oh my, Ana Ivanovic you arte splendid and please make me some more coin tonight

  43. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    blake…..He’ll be either ahead or behind Ryu…. Clayton, Grenke, Beckett, Ryu, Tanaka. Billingsly goes where ???

  44. mick January 20th, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    MtU

    If they don’t get him, whomever they get will give them 4 solid starters.
    I don’t think this will define Hal as some do as T is not as sure a thing as some say.
    If we stay healthy we will compete and be much better than last year and build to next year which could include another high profile pitcher.
    I keep saying we are in transition and it could be a lot more painful than it appears to be to some.

  45. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Pat M. says:
    January 20, 2014 at 9:02 pm
    blake…..He’ll be either ahead or behind Ryu…. Clayton, Grenke, Beckett, Ryu, Tanaka. Billingsly goes where ???

    Beckett stinks….I don’t see the dodgers paying 120+ million for a guy they see as their 4th or 5th starter

  46. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Neither do I Blake.

  47. Jerkface January 20th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Why does it matter where the Dodgers would theoretically place him in their rotation? Just because he might be 3rd or 4th in their rotation does not mean he is a #4 pitcher. Its about the performance. Scouts say he has a #3 floor with #2/low end ace upside. He has 3 plus pitches, which includes his fastball. His split is plus plus.

  48. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    If the Dodgers sign Tanaka I their rotation goes like this

    Kershaw, Greinke, Tanaka, Ryu, and then either Beckett or Billingsley….but one of those 2 will be sad

  49. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    @jerrystackhouse: Come on Sheed, let’s go back????“@jerrystackhouse SportsCenter: Virginia beats North Carolina, 76-61. Tar Heels are now 1-4 in ACC play.”

    It’s painful

  50. Tar January 20th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    J Alfred

    Great post earlier on Jeter.

    Chicken…Darn you :mad:

    j/k congrats

  51. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    Let’s just this over with.

    Make your selection Tanaka.

    :)

  52. Tar January 20th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    “It’s painful”

    AAAARRRGHHHHH

    translation… I agree.

  53. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Well Jerkface, most of the MLB clubs aren’t buying the random scouting reports that you’re selling. If the dude was a 20 million dollar arm more than desperate clubs would be on him…..Don’t most clubs want guys this good ????

  54. mick January 20th, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    The real Wolf of Wall St on with Piers Morgan.
    More believable than Leo.

  55. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Well there are reportedly 5 teams willing to offer 100+ million for him

  56. mick January 20th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    why wouldn’t the cubs just pay him 25m and get it over with?
    seattle did it…

  57. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    The Yankees scouted Tanaka for 2 years.

    Everyone who’s anyone on the Yankees has seen him pitch.

    ;)

  58. oak2455 January 20th, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Louis Friedlander ?@LawAbidingLou 1m
    “@JimBowdenESPNxm: Wayne Graczyk from Japan Times said his best guess would be #Tanaka signs with (in order) 1. Yankees 2. Dodgers”

    I like this

  59. AAA January 20th, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    Kershaw, Greinke, Tanaka, Ryu, and then either Beckett or Billingsley….but one of those 2 will be sad

    ===========================

    Doesn’t sound like Billingsley will be good to go until mid June or so. But they’ve got Haren too. Not hard to envision Beckett being moved with the LAD eating some $$$

  60. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    “Doesn’t sound like Billingsley will be good to go until mid June or so. But they’ve got Haren too. Not hard to envision Beckett being moved with the LAD eating some $$$”

    Again….Beckett stinks. But yea this is why I really don’t see them going all in for Tanaka. They just don’t need him

  61. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    Even for the Dodgers it doesn’t make much sense to pay 100+ million for something they don’t need

  62. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Blake-

    That is what I mean’t when I said the Dodgers are not as motivated.

    They have plenty of pitching.

  63. AAA January 20th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Even for the Dodgers it doesn’t make much sense to pay 100+ million for something they don’t need
    ===============================

    Didn’t make sense for the Yankees to pay $153 million for something they didn’t need, but they did it.

  64. mick January 20th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    I still think Hal is waiting for some team to outbid him..

  65. blake January 20th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    Didn’t make sense for the Yankees to pay $153 million for something they didn’t need, but they did it”t

    They needed an outfielder….they actually needed and got 2 of them. Now I think they paid way too much ….but they did need offense

  66. Jerkface January 20th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    I trust baseball america’s ‘random scouts’ over whatever random scouts you golf with.

  67. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Why trust any scout ?

    Watch the video of Tanaka yourself and come to your own conclusions.

    ;)

  68. oak2455 January 20th, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    eye test tells all ;)

  69. Blojaldo January 20th, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    “Jeter is an all time Yankee great and one of the most famous athletes of his time. But you just don’t conjure up “leadership” when you hear his name.”

    I have seen a lot of crazy comments on this site but this one takes the cake by a long shot. Is there a better way to lead than “by example?”

  70. Pat M. January 20th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Jerkface….Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

  71. Kelvin January 20th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Tanaka surely passes the eye test lol ;)

  72. mick January 20th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    I have seen a lot of crazy comments on this site but this one takes the cake by a long shot. Is there a better way to lead than “by example?”
    ===============================
    It was outrageous…sacrilegious.
    The poster lost a lot of credibility with that one..

  73. Blojaldo January 20th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Jerkface it appears to me from reading your posts that you sometimes rely way too much on accumulated statistics in your analysis of players. Past performance is not necessarily a predictor of future performance. Look at Derek Jeter’s 2010 to 2012 seasons as an example.

  74. bigdan22 January 20th, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    Blojaldo January 20th, 2014 at 9:50 pm
    “Jeter is an all time Yankee great and one of the most famous athletes of his time. But you just don’t conjure up “leadership” when you hear his name.”

    I have seen a lot of crazy comments on this site but this one takes the cake by a long shot. Is there a better way to lead than “by example?”

    ——–
    Crazy really? Seems you have a limited understanding of human behavior. Leading “by example” is probably one of the least effective methods of leadership since history is heavily populated individuals who dominated events not by their personal behavior but rather by their public persona.

    Take today for instance. MLK day. A good example of an individual who used his persona and his impeccable oratory skills to become one of history greatest leaders. Yet those who knew him personally may have a very different view of him as an individual than the one history reveres.

  75. mick January 20th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    Yet those who knew him personally may have a very different view of him as an individual than the one history reveres.
    =================
    How well do you know Jeter?

  76. oak2455 January 20th, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    whos’ this Jeter guy ? He’s no Tanaka thats for sure

  77. blake January 20th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    My guess is that Jeter is a LOT more vocal behind closed doors than it seems…..he just doesn’t let things out in the public so the media can spin it every which way.

  78. mick January 20th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    Jeter says a lot when he speaks.
    The layman just doesn’t understand…
    ..that type of honesty.

    Or any honesty, for that matter.

  79. tbone1570 January 20th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    blake January 20th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    My guess is that Jeter is a LOT more vocal behind closed doors than it seems…..he just doesn’t let things out in the public so the media can spin it every which way.

    **********************
    This!

  80. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    This whole circus will be over in a another day or so.

    We’ll find out which door MT has chosen.

    Door #1, Door #2, or Door # 3.

    C’mon down.

    :)

  81. MTU January 20th, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    New one ——>


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