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A few notes from the Cashman conference call

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 22, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here are a handful of quick takeaways from Brian Cashman’s conference call to discuss the Masahiro Tanaka signing.

Brian Cashman· It wasn’t only the public that was in the dark about Tanaka’s preferences. Cashman said it wasn’t until last night that he found out the Yankees were the leading team in negotiations. Cashman said he trusted that the city and the franchise history basically sold itself, and he knew guys like Hideki Matsui and Hiroki Kuroda would be selling points, but he really had no idea whether the Yankees were the top team until he got a call last night.

· Cashman said he was told that the Yankees contract offer was the largest on the table, but that other teams were “in the vicinity.” Agent Casey Close presented the idea of an opt out, and indicated that he was having no problem getting that from other teams. Cashman said it seemed like a necessity, but obviously not something the Yankees necessarily wanted to do.

· The Yankees began scouting Tanaka in 2007, and they went to 15 of his games this year, including the WBC. “At some point you still have to make a call and make a judgment,” Cashman said. “We obviously believe in this player’s talent. It’s nice to see there are a number of Major League teams that believe in that talent similarly.” As for the decision to invest heavily in Tanaka, Cashman said there was no real tipping point. “He’s just gotten better and better,” Cashman said. “… It seemed like the bigger the game, the more he would step up.”

· During the Yankees face-to-face meeting with Tanaka on January 8, the team had a contingent of eight people to meet with Tanaka and sell him on the idea of joining the Yankees. Their presentation included a video that had footage of the stadium — the stuff Tanaka would have seen had he been able to make a recruiting trip to New York — as well as a sales pitch from Hideki Matsui.

· Cashman downplayed the chances of making another significant financial investment this winter: “I think clearly a lot of heavy lifting needed to take place this winter, and it has taken place,” Cashman said. “I think we’re always looking to improve. I don’t think it’s realistic to think that there will be more heavy lifting that can take place. Bit I also don’t want to say that we’re not going to try to improve ourselves. We’re just going to have to realistically do it in a much cheaper way going forward.”

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177 Responses to “A few notes from the Cashman conference call”

  1. mick January 22nd, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Cash on with Mike.

  2. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Well Played Cashmoney, Hal and Levine!

  3. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Mark Sheldon ?@m_sheldon 19m
    Source: Sizemore signing with a different team than #reds. http://bit.ly/1aJDly9

  4. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Sounds like Cashman is leaving the door open on a few more budget type moves.

  5. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    anybody else ever notice that cashman seems to be the only one who pronounces pineada pin yed a?

    i’ve never seen a tilde over the n in his name, but cashman has always pronounced his name is if there were.

  6. Howler January 22nd, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    I think you’re going to see opt outs a big part of contracts going forward, surprised we didn’t see more this year.

  7. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Blake-

    Pretty obvious that despite what Jocketty says he’s not comfortable w only Hamilton.

    ;)

  8. austinmac January 22nd, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    MTU,

    I hope you saw my apology to Hal.

    To you I say, optimism justified. I bow to you(you just can’t see it).

  9. Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    I think the opt out clause only sucks if Tanaka turns out to be mediocre.

    If he does exercise the option in 4 years, it would probably indicate he pitched pretty well for them and I’ll take that any day.

  10. exiledintampa January 22nd, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Nice to hear from you, Luis.

  11. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    “Pretty obvious that despite what Jocketty says he’s not comfortable w only Hamilton.”

    nope….

  12. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Cashman scheduled to appear on Kay radio program within the next 15 minutes.

  13. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Mac-

    I actually haven’t seen it.

    No need to bow to me. I’m usually wrong anyway.

    Save your praise for the Man w the bucks.

    He’s the one who deserves it.

    It was great to be wrong wasn’t it ?

    :)

  14. mick January 22nd, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Cash:

    “Campos is a baby.”

  15. austinmac January 22nd, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    I asked my Spanish heritage secretary about the pronunciation. She sasy the tilde sound is appropriate. Pin-yay-da.

  16. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:17 pm
    Well Played Cashmoney, Hal and Levine!
    ———————————————————————————
    You can say that again!!!

  17. mick January 22nd, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Cashman scheduled to appear on Kay radio program within the next 15 minutes.
    ============
    on with mike now.

  18. joeman January 22nd, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Blow it all up..go get a solid RP

  19. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    if you add together arod’s last year, the $3M for this year and the $61M left on his contract, that’s $89M wasted on arod’s opt out and then add in cc’s extra $30M guaranteed from his extension, that’s a minimum of $120M wasted because of opt-outs.

    if you give these guys an opt-out, you have to put yourselves in position to let them walk if they do opt out.

  20. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    I’ll have to check that out

    ——————–

    It’s called War

  21. austinmac January 22nd, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    MTU,

    I have been wrong plenty in my day, but I can’t recall any time I have been happier about it.

    My apology letter to Hal was actually a few spots before you reminded me to do so. I knew your reminder was coming. :)

  22. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    …as much as i hate levine, when we blame him for what they do a bad job on, its only fair to include him in the kudos when they do things right.

  23. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Does Tanaka have the best splitter since the days of Mike Scott with the Houston Astros?
    If yes, then 1 more reason I am sold!!

  24. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Sure Y’s.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    :)

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    “…nice try
    actually:

    BOYCOTTERS 1- ENABLERS 0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Since Hal announced that the $189 mil wasn’t etched in stone BEFORE the 2013 season even began, your point must fail.

    But good try macintosh.

    :)

  26. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    mac-

    Ironic isn’t it.

    :)

  27. mick January 22nd, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    ignore mac, he’s a bad apple…

  28. Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    if you give these guys an opt-out, you have to put yourselves in position to let them walk if they do opt out.

    —–

    That’s a valid point and hopefully they’ll do a much better job with player development over the next 4 years to put themselves in a position to let Tanaka walk.

  29. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    against,
    i’ll check the on demand later ;)

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    austinmac – I’d remind you that I counseled to trust Hal and Hank as soon as they announced that $189 mil was a goal but wouldn’t trump over putting a championship team on the field, but that would appear too much like wanting a pat on the back, so never mind.

    ;)

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    “ignore mac, he’s a bad apple…”

    wrong mac…

  32. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Tanaka’s split grades out as a 70 on an 80 max. scale.

    Having seen plenty of video of it I’d say it’s practically unhittable.

    It looks exactly like his FB coming out his hand.

    Not only that he can change speeds on it and does.

    He commands it perfectly.

    Can drop it in for a strike or use it as a chase pitch.

    When he loads up it at full velocity of around 90 he starts it at waist level and it just disappears
    at the plate leaving the hitter helpless.

    It’s a devasting pitch.

    Other interesting point is that he does not pronate his wrist when throwing it as Kuroda does.

    This causes it to drop straight down with little arm side fade.

    It’s wicked. That’s all I can tell you.

    :)

  33. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:31 pm
    austinmac – I’d remind you that I counseled to trust Hal and Hank as soon as they announced that $189 mil was a goal but wouldn’t trump over putting a championship team on the field, but that would appear too much like wanting a pat on the back, so never mind.

    ;)
    ———————————————————————————–
    In the last 5+ years I have learned when the Yankees DO NOT make the playoffs, the team will go above and beyond to sign the best free agents available to improve the team.

  34. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    against,
    i’ll check the on demand later ;)
    —————–

    Well it dropped on itunes last night but I downloaded from a site I’m on. It’s round 3 gigs.

    The DVD release is next month.

  35. bigdan22 January 22nd, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    austinmac January 22nd, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    “The Yankee management miscalculated how things would play out with player development. For that, last year was lost. But, they have very much atoned. Make a mistake and fix it. That’s life. Not everyone will admit a mistake and change directions, and I congratulate the Yankees for doing so.”

    ——-

    I think this is an accurate and pithy analysis. This was very much an “atonement.” Good name for a movie.

  36. Howler January 22nd, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    It’s hard having to listen to Kay in the offseason…comes off as even more smug on his own show.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Against, I just want to point out that not everyone agrees that the configuring of the 2012 and 2013 teams was “stupid”. Some actually understand the method to the madness even though the end result wasn’t there.

    And even if there’s something to be said against those configurations, why look backward? You can’t change the past so it’s pointless to lament it. JMO of course.

  38. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 3:37 pm

    Howler January 22nd, 2014 at 3:35 pm
    It’s hard having to listen to Kay in the offseason…comes off as even more smug on his own show.
    —————————————————————————
    I feel the opposite. I can tolerate him on his radio show much more during the off-season.
    I guess that’s the case because if you add the radio show & t.v. time on YES, those 2 combined
    put me over the top.

  39. bigdan22 January 22nd, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Of course the big checks have been written. I think the highest priority left, however, is the bullpen. The infield defense sucks but that’s for your entertainment dollar (Nunie!). Perhaps there’s a player or two out their who could improve the bullpen. The Yanks have been clever the last few years picking up middle guys on the scrap heap. Just concerned about the back end. It hasn’t been this questionable since early 90s.

  40. Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Agree that austinmac’s analysis is dead on.

    Hal figured out that he was going to lose much more money missing the postseason than he would ever save with the $189M plan.

    They still have plenty of work to do. THE FARM. THE FARM. THE FARM.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Warning, what the Yankees did in 2013 was smart business that just didn’t work out for a variety of reasons. I’m not saying that every move was perfect, but reasonable people would agree that you don’t sign the best free agent on the market for a position for a month or two when you know you have your best player returning to that position. That makes no sense anywhere. People don’t want to hear that, oh well.

    And let’s not forget that our pitching staff did not have a vintage year either.

  42. pkyankfan69 January 22nd, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Is there any chance that the Yankees video presentation to Tanaka would be made public at some point? It’s probably corny but I’d like to see it.

  43. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    This year’s staff has the potential to be one of the best in baseball.

    Every one of them except for CC has the potential to rise higher in ability that what they are slotted for.

  44. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:36 pm
    Against, I just want to point out that not everyone agrees that the configuring of the 2012 and 2013 teams was “stupid”. Some actually understand the method to the madness even though the end result wasn’t there.

    And even if there’s something to be said against those configurations, why look backward? You can’t change the past so it’s pointless to lament it. JMO of course.

    ——————–

    What was the method to the madness? Sell the fans on patch work and hope for the best?

    True we can’t change the past but we also shouldn’t look at what they did this yr and throw praises at the them. They passed on players like Darvish who could have helped the team financially and impact wise. It was done all in the name of the budget and then when things hit the fan they changed course. If they won 94 games and made the PS does anyone think they spend what they did this yr? Not saying they wouldn’t have made moves but would they have spent on this level. If you have an opportunity to improve do it. Don’t punt the ball and then be surprised when things don’t work out. I understand where you’re coming from though.

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    pkyank – you’ll be able to watch it on YES.com, I’m sure. In addition, I’m certain MLB TV will carry it, so if you have a DVR, you will be able to DVR it. They carried Ellsbury, you can bet they’ll carry Tanaka!

  46. bigdan22 January 22nd, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    if you give these guys an opt-out, you have to put yourselves in position to let them walk if they do opt out.

    —–

    That’s a valid point and hopefully they’ll do a much better job with player development over the next 4 years to put themselves in a position to let Tanaka walk.

    ——-

    The analysis is a little complex and I’ve tried to explain it in the past, but the bottom line is, I’m of the belief that if a player chooses to opt out or even threatens to, in virtually every occasion, the right move is to let him walk. I recommended on another site years ago that the Yanks let CC walk and use that money for Darvish. I knew that was a fantasy at the time but I still think it’s the right policy.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Also, there’s nothing corny about it! I can’t wait to see it!!!

  48. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    69-

    I doubt very much that it’s corny.

    It’s probably really excellent.

    I’d love to see it too.

    :)

  49. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Now don’t take this wrong.

    But Tanaka’s Splitter is almost as good as Mo’s cutter.

    It’s such a good pitch that he commands so well that even when you know it’s coming it’s still difficult to hit.

    It generates a lot of misses and bad swings.

    :)

  50. MTU January 22nd, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    Well.

    That’s enough celebratin’ for now.

    Time to go and get some exercise.

    Catch all you revelers later.

    My bet is your gonna love this kid.

    :)

  51. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    They still have plenty of work to do. THE FARM. THE FARM. THE FARM.

    ———————-

    That’s the biggest work the have to do.

  52. Yankee Trader January 22nd, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Why was this a secret? Did anyone here know that the Yankees sent everyone but the owners to entice Tanaka to come to NY?

    Tanaka underwent a physical exam during an early-January visit to Los Angeles, where he was greeted on Jan. 8 by an eight-person contingent of interested Yankees officials.

    That group consisted of team president Randy Levine, general manager Brian Cashman, manager Joe Girardi, assistant GMs Billy Eppler and Jean Afterman, pitching coach Larry Rothschild, special assistant Trey Hillman and translator George Rose.

    “They spent about 2 1/2 hours with Tanaka and Casey Close,” a person with knowledge of the meeting said. “It was very, very good.”

  53. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
    Also, there’s nothing corny about it! I can’t wait to see it!!!

    —————-

    See what??

  54. Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    bigdan22 January 22nd, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    if you give these guys an opt-out, you have to put yourselves in position to let them walk if they do opt out.

    —–

    That’s a valid point and hopefully they’ll do a much better job with player development over the next 4 years to put themselves in a position to let Tanaka walk.

    ——-

    The analysis is a little complex and I’ve tried to explain it in the past, but the bottom line is, I’m of the belief that if a player chooses to opt out or even threatens to, in virtually every occasion, the right move is to let him walk. I recommended on another site years ago that the Yanks let CC walk and use that money for Darvish. I knew that was a fantasy at the time but I still think it’s the right policy.

    —–

    I also think that’s the right policy with a few exceptions.

    Perhaps the A-Rod and Sabathia opt out deals will persuade them to adopt that kind of policy the next time it happens.

  55. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Kay is dropping knowledge. The only pitcher in MLB that has thrown more innings by age 25
    than Tanaka is King Felix. How is that working out for the M’s and King Felix?

    That is a stat a lot of Yankees critics and haters need to memorize.

  56. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    michael kay speaking some truth about GMS.

  57. GregD January 22nd, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Cashman on with Kay now

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    Against, I’ll explain why I think there was a valid method to the madness. First of all, when Darvish was available, Darvish was also an unknown. They had been burned by Igawa, and Matsuzaka wasn’t necessarily contending for CYs. And they had options with known players and ended up with CC, Pettitte, Kuroda, Hughes, Pineda, Phelps, Nova, and a bunch of kids in the minors. Though you might not like that they passed on him, it isn’t like they didn’t have solid options and solid pitchers. (And though I know that this is like whistling in the wind and everybody wants to pretend that they know how things will work out, nobody knows how he would have fared in the Bronx.)

    In terms of 2013, they picked up a bunch of position players who were supposed to be fill-ins for starters who were scheduled to come back. No reputable company would go out and knowingly throw away millions for a premier executive for three months, only to replace him when the three months were over and continue to pay him AND the premier executive taking his place, even though one was going to be sitting back and chatting on the phone four days a week while the other worked. So the method to their madness in 2103 backfired for any number of reasons. But there was no way to know that, and no good way to prepare for it.

    IMO it is shortsighted not to recognize the factors that went into the so-called dumpster dive.

    I don’t think for a minute that the organization was trying to get away “on the cheap”. I think they took a reasonable approach to a situation that, had it played out the way it was designed to play out, very well could have seen the Yankees with another title.

  59. Captain Clutch January 22nd, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    Kay just said that the Yanks went to Japan to meet with Tanaka. I am assuming that he meant to say LA. Who knows…

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    “See what??”

    Tanaka’s Yankee press conference.

  61. Jerkface January 22nd, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    Kay is dropping knowledge. The only pitcher in MLB that has thrown more innings by age 25
    than Tanaka is King Felix. How is that working out for the M’s and King Felix?

    I don’t like this stat, because its not really true. I have listed others. CC, Glavine, Maddux, Clemens, Kershaw, Verlander, etc have all thrown as many innings as Tanaka if you include their minor league innings. NPB innings are not worth the same as MLB innings and I refuse back any argument that starts from such a premise.

  62. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 3:57 pm
    “See what??”

    Tanaka’s Yankee press conference.

    ————–

    Oh ok. I can’t wait to see it either. It should be interesting. His signing definitely has created a buzz.

  63. bigdan22 January 22nd, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 3:51 pm ——-

    The analysis is a little complex and I’ve tried to explain it in the past, but the bottom line is, I’m of the belief that if a player chooses to opt out or even threatens to, in virtually every occasion, the right move is to let him walk. I recommended on another site years ago that the Yanks let CC walk and use that money for Darvish. I knew that was a fantasy at the time but I still think it’s the right policy.

    —–

    I also think that’s the right policy with a few exceptions.

    Perhaps the A-Rod and Sabathia opt out deals will persuade them to adopt that kind of policy the next time it happens.

    —–

    I think part of that is adopting the proper mindset. This will inform your strategic planning. The Yanks should consider this to be a four year deal, not a seven year one. They should plan around that contingency. It many ways, you want Tanaka to opt out because that means he’s been effective for the first four years. But that doesn’t mean he’ll be worth the $30MM or so a year he may ask for in his next contract.

  64. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Captain Clutch January 22nd, 2014 at 3:57 pm
    Kay just said that the Yanks went to Japan to meet with Tanaka. I am assuming that he meant to say LA. Who knows…
    ——————————————————————————————————
    Kay sure made it sound like the Yankees brass went to Japan. I need to re-hear that audio again to make sure I heard correctly.
    If true, very impressive!

  65. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    “Kay is dropping knowledge. The only pitcher in MLB that has thrown more innings by age 25
    than Tanaka is King Felix. How is that working out for the M’s and King Felix?”

    well King Felix is still really good so I’m not sure what the point is there…..

  66. bigdan22 January 22nd, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Just following up on my last thought, you look at the Yankee team now with Tanaka for four years, CC on the way down, McCann about 30, Ells 31, Beltran late 30s, Tex 33(?) and such. Forget about Arod and Jeter, this is a team in a “win now” mode with maybe a three year window.

    That certainly appears to make for a good argument to spend more, and maybe a lot more, right now. But I don’t think they will. The value is just not there.

  67. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    ‘ “…nice try
    actually:

    BOYCOTTERS 1- ENABLERS 0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    “Since Hal announced that the $189 mil wasn’t etched in stone BEFORE the 2013 season even began, your point must fail.”

    the 400,000 who didn’t show up last year and who voted with their wallet FORCED hal to sign tanaka to make sure he didn’t lose another 400,000.

    it was the only get out of free card that hal had.

    great for him and yankee fans he pulled the trigger.

    hopefully this will signify a turning point in hal’s decision making and he will realize you make money by spending money.

    tanaka has bought him some time.
    he needs to follow up with investing heavily into the farm system and then stay out of the way of the coaches and instructors so they can do their thing.

    that’s what the rays do and it works.
    money people do money things.
    baseball people do baseball things.

  68. Howler January 22nd, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    Kay is dropping knowledge…my dog drops a lot of that out in the yard too. :)

  69. j9d January 22nd, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    pkyankfan69 January 22nd, 2014 at 3:41 pm
    Is there any chance that the Yankees video presentation to Tanaka would be made public at some point? It’s probably corny but I’d like to see it.
    ————————————————-
    Pkyanfan was asking if the video that the Yankees presented to Tanaka will be made public, not Tanaka’s presser. I highly doubt the pitch to Tanaka would be made public.

  70. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Kay just basically said…..see you fans that doubted Hal….see.

    Well how do we know if we hadn’t doubted him and spoke up that he wouldn’t have acted differently?

  71. Warning Track Power January 22nd, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:05 pm
    “Kay is dropping knowledge. The only pitcher in MLB that has thrown more innings by age 25
    than Tanaka is King Felix. How is that working out for the M’s and King Felix?”

    well King Felix is still really good so I’m not sure what the point is there…..

    ————————————————————————————————————
    My point exactly. King Felix is still very good, despite all the innings his right shoulder has pitched to date. So if King Felix can pitch at a high level, certainly Tanaka could as well.

    Nobody knows what is going to happen. People all have opinions and who’s to say which are correct and which are foolish.
    I like the signing. I love this signing 1,000,000 more than if Cano would have signed that
    ridiculous 10 year deal.
    LET’S GO!!!

  72. Yankee Trader January 22nd, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    I think it is interesting that of all the Orthopedic surgeons at the Kerlan-Jobe Clinic to examine Tanaka it was the Dodger physician, who also is a consultant with the Lakers, Ducks, and specializes in shoulder, elbow and knee who performed the physical exam.

  73. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    cashman said on both kay’s show and francessa’s not to expect any more big spending. he said people should just expect ‘small things’ after all the money they spent.

    i’m not sure i believe him, though.

  74. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    are Balfour and Drew small? I think Balfour could be described as small…..

  75. 5est January 22nd, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Chewbaka Tanaka, we believe

  76. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    ” His signing definitely has created a buzz.”

    “buzz” is the buzzword of the day.

    it’s going to be similar when matsuzaka showed up in the red sox 2007 spring training.

    that worked out for them.

    hopefully this excitement carries right through the yankee year.

    i really do think it’s going to light a fire under the organization, and
    the benefit the yankees get is going to be way beyond the +WAR that tanaka gives the yankees.

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  78. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    there is no perfect pitcher out there. everybody’s got something, kershaw’s got a hip, cc’s heavy with alot of innings, verlander had a down couple of months last season, and so on.

    tanaka’s workload is something to figure in to his contract, but not a reason not to sign him.

    if you look for a reason not to sign anyone, you end up being the astros.

    as jf has pointed out that if you add in their ncaa innings, alot of guys have pitched as many innings as tanaka. anyone can take that to mean everything, nothing or something in-between.

    there are no perfect pitchers but you still need pitching.

  79. Captain Clutch January 22nd, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    are Balfour and Drew small? I think Balfour could be described as small…..
    ————–

    Yes. I definitely expect them to sign Balfour or a reliever. If they won’t consider having Jeter play 3rd base I don’t think they will sign Drew.

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    macintosh – factor in lousy economy and overpriced seats. please!

  81. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    “Against, I’ll explain why I think there was a valid method to the madness. First of all, when Darvish was available, Darvish was also an unknown. They had been burned by Igawa, and Matsuzaka wasn’t necessarily contending for CYs. And they had options with known players and ended up with CC, Pettitte, Kuroda, Hughes, Pineda, Phelps, Nova, and a bunch of kids in the minors. Though you might not like that they passed on him, it isn’t like they didn’t have solid options and solid pitchers. (And though I know that this is like whistling in the wind and everybody wants to pretend that they know how things will work out, nobody knows how he would have fared in the Bronx.)”

    True he was an unknown but by all accounts he was a guy worth spending money on. They were burned by Igawa because they made a rash decision. I’m not even sure if they scouted him properly.

    Nova has been inconsistent
    Hughes has been more inconsistent than Nova
    Pettitte one of the best Yankee pitchers in history but was only going to pitch a few more yrs
    Pineda was a question mark
    CC the horse of the rotation but is moving into the 2nd half of his career
    Kuroda solid vet but at that point is only going to be a couple more yrs
    Phelps – solid but still need to see more from him
    Minors- still waiting on kids in the minors

    They could have fit in mid 20s starter into that fold. It would have allowed them flexibility and maybe opened up a few trade possibilities.

    It started before 2013. Why pass on a guy like Puig or the other cuban players.

    “I don’t think for a minute that the organization was trying to get away “on the cheap”.

    They tried to get cute “we’re the Yankees…we’ll find a way.” Unfortunately that didn’t work.

  82. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    my opinion is that i LOVED cano and wanted him to be a yankee for life.

    my other opinion is that the last $72-$96M of his contract are going to be an almost total waste.

    my third opinion is that opinion1 + opinion 2 = they made the right call on cano.

  83. Yankee Trader January 22nd, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Was this a straight 7/155 deal? Signing bonus?

  84. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:08 pm
    Kay just basically said…..see you fans that doubted Hal….see.

    ————

    Kay the premier company man lol

  85. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    It’s funny how fast things change. A few years ago you could make a case that the Yankees infield was the best in baseball with A-Rod, Jeter, Cano and Teixiera.

  86. Cashmoney January 22nd, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    are Balfour and Drew small?
    —–
    my guess is no.

  87. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    I agree that 10/235 would have been a bad idea for Cano…..but I also think 7/153 for Ellsbury is more of a risk than 235 for Cano…..so that’s where I feel some disconnect there.

    Yes that’s an overpay for Cano….it’s a big overpay given his age…..but the problem is that they overpaid everybody this winter to get deals done and they held the line firm with Cano…..what does this tell us about their feelings on Robbie?

    Personally I think it’s obvious they wanted to move on…..they would have signed him but only at the number they wanted and they somewhat made him an offer they knew he’d turn down. JMO

  88. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    “They still have plenty of work to do. THE FARM. THE FARM. THE FARM.”

    yes

    the FARM or bust.

    all the suits need to stay out of gil patterson’s way.

    let him and other quality coaches do their thing.

  89. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    It’s funny how fast things change. A few years ago you could make a case that the Yankees infield was the best in baseball with A-Rod, Jeter, Cano and Teixiera.

    ————-

    Now they have one of the worst or am I being too pessimistic?

  90. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Kay is a company man for sure….I don’t blame him I guess but you can’t really listen to half the stuff he says because it’s not objective at all.

    If the Yankee fans hadn’t had a mutiny brewing then how do we know Hal doesn’t just cruise on in under 189 regardless of what the team looks like.

  91. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    “Now they have one of the worst or am I being too pessimistic?”

    nope it’s bad….

  92. Giuseppe Franco January 22nd, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Kay just basically said…..see you fans that doubted Hal….see.

    Well how do we know if we hadn’t doubted him and spoke up that he wouldn’t have acted differently?

    —–

    That’s exactly the point, so no surprise but Kay is full of BS.

    Significant lost revenue and fans’ disinterest forced Hal to change his mind.

    All the evidence the last couple of years clearly leads to that conclusion.

  93. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    It’s funny how fast things change. A few years ago you could make a case that the Yankees infield was the best in baseball with A-Rod, Jeter, Cano and Teixiera.
    ————-
    Now they have one of the worst or am I being too pessimistic?
    _______

    Time will tell but with an average-at-best platoon player in Johnson, an older Jeter coming back from a severe injury, an oft injured aging Roberts and Teixiera coming off a wrist injury . . . .gulp!

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Against, we’ll agree to disagree on this one. I don’t bring in an unknown outfielder when I have three outfield positions already locked up with starters, just because his name is Puig. I also don’t spend outlandish money on an unknown pitcher when I have known pitching available.

    I like my business model better than yours.

    :)

  95. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    one other thing that I thought was interesting in the Cashman interview with Kay…..as he was defending Hal’s “will to win” he suggested that it was Hal that refused to give up last year…..suggesting (at least I thought) that Cash wanted to sell. Kinda what I figured…..Hal didn’t want to lose the potential revenue by throwing in the towel…..Cash saw the writing on the wall and wanted to punt and try to get some assets for 2014.

  96. Chip January 22nd, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    are Balfour and Drew small? I think Balfour could be described as small…..
    —————————

    Not unless they literally fall in the Yankees laps.

    Looking at the available guys I would think that the following based on where they are in their careers and injury concerns may be some of the more realistic low cost tinkering moves that the Yankees would be interested in:

    Hanrahan
    Bailey
    Marmol
    Madson
    Johan
    Sizemore
    Boesch
    Justin Turner
    Kotchman

  97. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    “It’s a big, big decision for the Steinbrenner Family that the Yankees went over 189. You can’t even calculate how much it’s going to cost them.”

    Michael Kay

    It is a big decision, but they likely wouldn’t have been able to keep much of the money they could have saved because it would have cost them too much in revenues.

    This is just the day when it became inescapable that that big pile of money they were hoping to realize just wasn’t going to happen.

  98. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    “Not unless they literally fall in the Yankees laps.”

    I mean it’s almost February…..gotta be getting close to that point soon. They are both just sitting there saying ….sign me Cash….sign me Cash

  99. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    I don’t bring in an unknown outfielder when I have three outfield positions already locked up with starters

    I also don’t spend outlandish money on an unknown pitcher when I have known pitching available.
    ——————-

    True but not locked up for the foreseeable future. Swisher and Grandy were let go when their contracts ended. Swisher could have been traded if Puig showed he was ready to step up and handle the position.

    They just did that with Tanaka though and are paying him more then they would have paid Darvish.

  100. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    I’ve heard two or three ex-major leaguers (can’t recall names) who currently play in Japan talk about Tanaka’s stuff on MLB television today. To a man they said he is as good as advertised. One spoke of his being a different pitcher with a man in scoring position who is able to dial it up a notch. Another confirmed that his splitter is un-hittable; it looks like a fastball coming out of his hand and he can bounce it or throw it for strikes on command.

  101. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    “Kinda what I figured…..Hal didn’t want to lose the potential revenue by throwing in the towel…..Cash saw the writing on the wall and wanted to punt and try to get some assets for 2014.”

    This is a fairly cynical interpretation.

  102. Cashmoney January 22nd, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    Hanrahan
    Bailey
    Marmol
    —-
    out of those 3, I take Hanrahan and gamble on in second half he can regain that high octane FB.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Wow. We landed the big fish!

    :)

  104. Cashmoney January 22nd, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    O’flaherty is off the board, so, I think Oak made a good calculated gamble on him.

  105. Yankee Trader January 22nd, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Chip

    Add my favorite, Eric O’Flaherty

  106. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    “This is a fairly cynical interpretation.”

    maybe….but it’s what I think happened. No I can’t prove it.

  107. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    “I don’t bring in an unknown outfielder when I have three outfield positions already locked up with starters, just because his name is Puig.

    I like my business model better than yours.”

    puig?

    good point.

    who would want him?

  108. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    “Hideki Matsui made a recruiting call at some point as well.”

    That had to make some difference don’t you think?

  109. Poetkiosk January 22nd, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Such an interesting thing to consider this signing. I mean one one hand it bolsters both sides of the argument. Those that said, have faith in Hal, the Yankees will do the right thing, seem to feel vindicated. It’s not surprising this emotional response because there was a ton of back and forth about this over the last year.

    However, those that truly doubted the plan to go above 189, largely voted with their feet and wallets and stopped watching and attending games. In addition in the blogosphere they created not just a din, but a roar of dissent, clamoring for a change. And they can very easily argue that it was this loss of revenue and the public outcry that caused them to go beyond 189.

  110. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    “Honestly, I don’t feel that we’d spend whatever it takes for any player, as we showed earlier this offseason with Robinson Cano. — Hal Steinbrenner

    O U C H!!!! You weren’t that loved Robbie.

  111. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    “with an average-at-best platoon player in Johnson”

    I don’t really understand this popular narrative that Johnson is a platoon player. “Average at best” is totally fair, but I don’t think he’s a platoon player. He has a reverse split on his career. Can be used in a platoon with a RH IF who hits LHP well, but I don’t think that he particularly needs to be platooned. He had roughly the expected .66/.33 split in PAs against RHP/LHP last year in Tampa, so they didn’t platoon him in any traditional sense.

  112. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    cashman going on mlbradio…..I hope he illuminates Bowden on how to add.

  113. Shame Spencer January 22nd, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    “I like my business model better than yours.”

    Your business model requires you to spend the most money on all of the top free agents available.

    Welcome to Team Greedy.

  114. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    nobody was clammoring for puig. people were hot for cespedes and darvish.

    darvish is great! cespeded had a lower ops+ than gardner last year.

  115. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    I like Johnson really….I’d like him better if he didn’t have to start. That said if he plays enough he will probably hit 20 homers

  116. Yankee Trader January 22nd, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    Cash-

    Wow O’Flaherty got 2/7M from the A’s and he had the TJ last May.

  117. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Why the spending spree?

    “The Yankees lost approximately $58M in ticket revenue this past season according to publicly available financial documents and that doesn’t include lost concession or YES revenue.

  118. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 2m
    Is Masahiro Tanaka as good as Yu Darvish? A complete scouting breakdown of both pitchers at the time they left Japan: http://bit.ly/1a4mgvk

  119. Jeff in Canada January 22nd, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Wow – a little late getting this story: I heard CC has lost some weight, Rome was going on about it this week, and so on. I just never looked it up. So I just checked the photos he posted on Instagram from the wedding he went to, and…

    …DAAAAAAYYMMMMNNNN SON! I nearly fell off my chair!

    This is going to be one hell of a season. There are fascinating stories at every single position. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but seeing how effective CC is at this weight is near the top of them for me. I just hope there is some muscle replacing that weight and he’s not just shedding the fat. Need some meat for that heat!

    If someone has more on this, please share a link (web lazy and working).

  120. MG January 22nd, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    The Yankees obviously scouted Tanaka extensively and decided they wanted to sign him.

    Hopefully he turns out to be a front line starter for them-I have no opinion until I see him pitch against major leaguers at least once through the league.

    It seems like the Yankees had a plan all along to spend money, they just went about it differently than many of you preferred but that’s their decision, not yours.

    They certainly appear to be better this year than last, particularly with all of the injuries in 2013-one of the great things about baseball is that there is hope each and every spring (unless you are a Mets fan).

  121. Blojaldo January 22nd, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 4:44 pm
    “with an average-at-best platoon player in Johnson”

    I don’t really understand this popular narrative that Johnson is a platoon player. “Average at best” is totally fair, but I don’t think he’s a platoon player. He has a reverse split on his career. Can be used in a platoon with a RH IF who hits LHP well, but I don’t think that he particularly needs to be platooned. He had roughly the expected .66/.33 split in PAs against RHP/LHP last year in Tampa, so they didn’t platoon him in any traditional sense.
    ___________________

    Brian Cashman just reiterated on Micahel Kay’s show, again, that he sees Johnson as a platoon player. They expect to add that piece.

  122. GregD January 22nd, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:12 pm
    are Balfour and Drew small? I think Balfour could be described as small…..

    —————————-
    you are nothing if you are not persistent :)

  123. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Welcome to Team Greedy.

    —————-

    Is that like in the movie The Social Network when Zuckerberg said welcome to facebook and they played this song

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqESwzCGg4

  124. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Deadspin ?@Deadspin 5m
    Fat A-Rod in a mariachi band? Fat A-Rod in a mariachi band: http://deadsp.in/zRRxDN3

  125. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    “Honestly, I don’t feel that we’d spend whatever it takes for any player, as we showed earlier this offseason with Robinson Cano. — Hal Steinbrenner”

    that’s fine hal

    but i will be watching quite a bit of seattle games this year

    i enjoy watching cano

    of course i will be watching a lot more yankees games now that you signed tanaka

    hopefully you’ve figured out a way to monetize my out of market viewing online.

  126. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    “you are nothing if you are not persistent :)”

    never surrender

  127. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    i think this is a psychological break for the yankees and yankees fans.

    the arod thing is over. he’ll continue on in court and maybe go on tv a few times, but the team has moved on now and there’s a focus now on the upcoming season.

    arod is in the past now, likely for good.

    Let’s Go Yankees!

  128. UnKnown January 22nd, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Good news is this means no Jimenez. That would have been IDIOTIC.

    THANK GOD we don’t have to overpay for Ubaldo. Whew…

  129. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    “maybe….but it’s what I think happened. No I can’t prove it.”

    It assumes a ton of things and could as easily be wrong as right. I just don’t understand the desire to take guesses at things you have little information on and will probably never get an answer to.

    Cashman could have just as easily been saying that Hal didn’t want to get cheap and dump contracts. (I don’t know exactly how their financial model works, but I have to guess that by mid-season a lot of tickets are already pre-sold and a lot of advertising contracts are already in place. I have no idea if the money you save from selling big contracts is > or < the marginal money from contending. They probably could have saved something like ~$45 million between salary and luxury tax if they sold hard.) And you seem to be reading Cashman's interest in selling assets into it without him saying anything about it.

  130. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    “It assumes a ton of things and could as easily be wrong as right. I just don’t understand the desire to take guesses at things you have little information on and will probably never get an answer to.”

    I don’t understand why you care so much or what it bothers you?

  131. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    the yankees dont need to pay for ubaldo. i’d personally like him on the team, because I think he’s going to have a very good year, but i dont think they will sign him.

    i just hope the RS or O’s dont get him.

  132. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    “arod is in the past now, likely for good.”

    nothing against alex, but ha; should write him a check and never look back

    let alex’s problems not be yankee problems.

  133. austinmac January 22nd, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Ys,

    It is a psychological break for me. Now, I can foresee spring training. Everything felt so inactive and motionless. Now, the off season feels about over. At last.

  134. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    “Brian Cashman just reiterated on Micahel Kay’s show, again, that he sees Johnson as a platoon player. They expect to add that piece.”

    Brian Cashman is not God of baseball. Andrew Friedman and Joe Maddon are probably more respected for analysis and strategy, respectively, than Brian Cashman and they did not platoon Kelly Johnson.

    As I already said, you can platoon Kelly Johnson if you have someone who crushes LHP to platoon him with. If that guy doesn’t emerge, though, (and outside Sizemore returning to health I am skeptical he will) then you don’t have to platoon him. A “platoon player” is usually someone you have to platoon because they’re unacceptable against same-sided Ps.

  135. Shame Spencer January 22nd, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    They should absolutely release Alex…. and trade for Andrus. Put Andrus in my infield.

  136. pkyankfan69 January 22nd, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Kelly Johnson hasn’t hit anyone well over the last 3 years:

    Overall – .226/.307/.395/.702
    Vs Left – .231/.291/.342/.633
    Vs Right – .225/.313/.414/.727

    Yankee Stadium is a good fit for him, he’ll pop a decent amount of HR over the short RF porch, but based on his recent production he’s also going to hit for a low AVG and low OBP… At this point in his career he’s not really a starting caliber 3B for a contending team.

  137. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    “I don’t understand why you care so much or what it bothers you?”

    I don’t care all that much other that to point out to you that it’s a wild guess and you probably have no idea about its accuracy.

    It bothers me because opinions based on ignorance can be dangerous, at worst, and don’t add anything to the conversation, at best.

  138. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    “I don’t care all that much other that to point out to you that it’s a wild guess and you probably have no idea about its accuracy.”

    Did I say it was fact ? Did I say I knew for sure?

  139. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    January 22, 2014 at 5:09 pm
    They should absolutely release Alex…. and trade for Andrus. Put Andrus in my infield.

    Yes!

  140. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    “At this point in his career he’s not really a starting caliber 3B for a contending team.”

    Literally last season he was basically a starting player on a playoff team and a league average hitter.

  141. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    I just don’t understand the desire to take guesses at things you have little information on and will probably never get an answer to.”

    —————–

    Isn’t that we all do to some degree one way or another. If not it kinda takes the fun out of sports or talking about them.

  142. pkyankfan69 January 22nd, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    “At this point in his career he’s not really a starting caliber 3B for a contending team.”

    Literally last season he was basically a starting player on a playoff team and a league average hitter.
    ————————-
    Last year he hit .235/.305/.410/.715

    IMO that stinks for a guy who will being playing 3B which is an offensive position.

  143. pete2 January 22nd, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    I have to admit I was one of the doubters, but am glad to see sanity has prevailed here. As Tanakas wife said about LA a couple of weeks, “its a goal and not a mandate”. I think it may have been a hint.

    I thought a 4 yr opt out still keeps a player with less than 6 yrs service time under team control. If so, he would either negotiate an extension or play out the next 2 years going to arbitration where he would likely make more in years 5 and 6 than whatever they pay him in year 4. Bit of a risk for him but maybe there is language that makes him a free agent after 4 years?

    Hard to believe LA was not willing to go 7 years or more. I really thought teams would realize it was the years that would win out in the end and not the AAV, and 7+ years for a 25 yo is hardly crazy, even if his arm is probably 30 yo.

    Anyways, we can rejoice that 189 is dead and buried and now for Drew and Balfour to round out the team.

  144. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    A Chase Headley in July would be sweet

  145. Hankflorida January 22nd, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Hank, I’m not sure about the POV that he didn’t understand the value of playing in pinstripes, perhaps the Yankees didn’t understand the value of keeping him thus?

    Alfred, I cannot disagrees with you on the Yankees not going that extra mile to sign Cano even if meant not signing Ellsbury as Cano was a shield against many of those grounders getting to the outfield coupled with his extraordinary hitting. Jeter and Roberts playing behind the ground ball pitchers that the Yanks can now put on the mound does not exactly strike a note of confidence, and all I can hope for is the proper positioning in the infield so Wee Willie Keeler’s adage of ” hit em where they ain’t” is not a common occurrence.

  146. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    “Did I say it was fact ? Did I say I knew for sure?”

    Have fun turning everything into an argument.

  147. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    “Did I say it was fact ? Did I say I knew for sure?”

    Have fun turning everything into an argument.”

    Lol ok Ted

  148. pkyankfan69 January 22nd, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    A Chase Headley in July would be sweet
    ——-
    I bet he or Aram before the TD is the plan.

  149. Jerkface January 22nd, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    I thought a 4 yr opt out still keeps a player with less than 6 yrs service time under team control.

    No, these opt out contracts with Japanese and Cuban players specify that the team cannot tender them a contract if they opt out. Its pure free agency.

  150. mick January 22nd, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    So you get Drew to play 3rd and in the event Jeter can’t hack SS, he slides into short.
    Same thing with a Balfour type for DRob.
    If you can get them for 1-2 year deals, I would do it.

  151. Jerkface January 22nd, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    There are contracts where the player can opt out of their specified salary and then go to arbitration, but Tanaka’s and Cespedes contracts do not work like that. Nor did Matsui’s or Kuroda’s.

  152. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    So you get Drew to play 3rd and in the event Jeter can’t hack SS, he slides into short.
    Same thing with a Balfour type for DRob.
    If you can get them for 1-2 year deals, I would do it.”

    Bingo

  153. raymagnetic January 22nd, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Team Greedy should want something better for their infield than a 25 year old with a lifetime OPS+ of 84.

    Andrus has no power and no plate discipline and will be making 15 mil a year For the next decade after this one.

    What’s to like about him?

  154. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    “Isn’t that we all do to some degree one way or another. If not it kinda takes the fun out of sports or talking about them.”

    Not really. You have information on the players and you get to see the outcomes. I don’t think it’s fun to talk sports with someone who bases their opinion on no information, either.

    “I just don’t understand the desire to take guesses at things you have little information on and will probably never get an answer to.”

  155. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Not really. You have information on the players and you get to see the outcomes. I don’t think it’s fun to talk sports with someone who bases their opinion on no information, either.

    ——————-

    True facts should be used to back things that ppl say but it’s not needed on every single thing that occurs. Blake was going on what he felt. He’s not an exec and isn’t going to sit in on the meetings. He can only go on what he sees or thinks. If he was talking about a player being a good fit in the stadium and provided no data to back it up then yes I can understand calling him out on it.

  156. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    “Last year he hit .235/.305/.410/.715

    IMO that stinks for a guy who will being playing 3B which is an offensive position.”

    That was league average for all hitters at what is not really an “offensive position” outside of the PEDs era. There were only 14 3B who hit at least 5% above league average over at least 300 PAs last season. He would have been about a league average (median) 3B last season. (I’m not claiming he’s anything better than “average at best.”)

    3B was a power-hitting position in the PEDs-era, but it’s not really anymore. And offensive numbers are down across the board, which a simple triple-slash doesn’t capture: you can’t compare it to previous seasons one-to-one. It might stink in your opinion, but it doesn’t really stink in reality.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 22nd, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    “puig?

    good point.

    who would want him”

    Monday morning quarterbacking becomes you! So does your ability to look in a crystal ball and tell how players will work out in the Bronx! Yes I think I will pay close attention to your takes from now on.

    :)

  158. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    “Not really. You have information on the players and you get to see the outcomes. I don’t think it’s fun to talk sports with someone who bases their opinion on no information, either.”

    You shouldn’t really read sports blogs then.

  159. Chip January 22nd, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    blake January 22nd, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    “Not unless they literally fall in the Yankees laps.”

    I mean it’s almost February…..gotta be getting close to that point soon. They are both just sitting there saying ….sign me Cash….sign me Cash
    ————————–

    Plenty of guys recently have struck big deals this late. Remember, a lot has been on hold pending the Tanaka signing. Teams that would like to add a Morales or Drew or Balfour even may have been holding their dollars back to see if they were going to get Tanaka.

  160. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    Chip,
    Only reason I could see Drew waiting is because of the Yankees and see it if they’d get involved after tanaka signed …..

  161. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    “True facts should be used to back things that ppl say but it’s not needed on every single thing that occurs. Blake was going on what he felt. He’s not an exec and isn’t going to sit in on the meetings. He can only go on what he sees or thinks. If he was talking about a player being a good fit in the stadium and provided no data to back it up then yes I can understand calling him out on it.”

    This is not worth beating to death. I asked Blake why he felt the need to go on what he thinks when that’s not even backed up by the quote he referenced let alone any actual facts. I think it’s dangerous to make assumptions based on next to zero information. He has not chosen to respond in any meaningful way, and has instead just turned it into an argument about why I care.

  162. Ys Guy January 22nd, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    if they can shore up 2b and 3b, i’d be just fine with ryan at ss. if he’s the only hole in the lineup, he’s fine, he’s that good defensively. but they can’t have subpar hitting + poor defense out of 3B and 2B with ryan in the lineup.

  163. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    This is not worth beating to death. I asked Blake why he felt the need to go on what he thinks when that’s not even backed up by the quote he referenced let alone any actual facts. I think it’s dangerous to make assumptions based on next to zero information.”

    Yea what I said was really dangerous…..you are so serious all the time Ted ……we need to lighten you up

  164. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    I asked Blake why he felt the need to go on what he thinks when that’s not even backed up by the quote he referenced let alone any actual facts.
    —————-

    The whole thing is not that serious though. What \facts can he use to back it up besides what Hal and Cash has said and done. He’s not going to have recordings of the meetings or anything like that.

  165. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    “Only reason I could see Drew waiting is because of the Yankees and see it if they’d get involved after tanaka signed …..”

    He could also be waiting because he has no decent offer. Only teams rumored to be interested, as far as I know, are the Mets and Sox. And both seem to be barely lukewarm on him based on rumors. Boras is known for waiting the market out when he needs to, and he might just be waiting until he can convince some team they need Drew. Like Lohse last year.

  166. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    we need to lighten you up

    —————

    We need to invite him to the Lohud BBQ

  167. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    have said*

  168. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Ted can come to the bbq ….little moonshine might even get a smile out of him

  169. blake January 22nd, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    He could also be waiting because he has no decent offer.”

    Perhaps

  170. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    “Yea what I said was really dangerous…..you are so serious all the time Ted ……we need to lighten you up”

    It’s a dangerous way of thinking that is way too prevalent. If this weren’t an anonymous blog, even accusing an individual of being cheap and putting his own interests ahead of those of his organization would be offensive. On other contexts it can really be dangerous.

    “What \facts can he use to back it up besides what Hal and Cash has said and done.”

    He doesn’t really use Cashman’s quote. He reads his previously help opinion into a vaguely related remark.

    Finding some info on Hal’s actual incentives would be a start. As I explained already, Blake’s assumed motives might actually run directly counter to Hal’s financial interests.

    I’m really done talking about this now.

  171. Ted Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Tad Nelson January 22nd, 2014 at 6:01 pm
    Me and Ted are also having a BBQ and none of you dummies are welcome. It’s a special BBQ at Ted’s house where I get to slap my meat across his grill. It’s gonna be super fun!

    ——————————————————-

    Is this guy going to be banned anytime soon?

  172. macintosh January 22nd, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    ted nelson

    you don’t seem too excited about the yankees signing tanaka.

  173. Nick in SF January 22nd, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Today’s news has made this Yankee fan very happy. Ramen celebration to follow.

    austinmac, do we have enough data to begin BBQ sauce shipment discussions? :grin:

  174. Against All Odds January 22nd, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    Is this guy going to be banned anytime soon?

    —————–

    Probably but unfortunately come back in another handle. Prufrock says it all the time we need a mod around here. Do you know anyone willing to devote the time to do it?

  175. j9d January 22nd, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Nick!! I thought this day couldn’t get better but now it has!!!

  176. Nick in SF January 22nd, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    Does a new thread make the day better still? :arrow:

  177. Howler January 22nd, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    Sounds like someone needs a Colorado vacation :)

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