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Winners and losers in the Tanaka sweepstakes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 23, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This one’s worth sharing. My colleague over at USA Today, Jorge L. Ortiz, came up with a list of the winners and losers in the Masahiro Tanaka sweepstakes. It’s to think of this as strictly a Yankees situation — and certainly, they’re in the middle of it — but the ripples reach several other teams and players, in both good ways and bad. Here’s Jorge’s story:

Masahiro TanakaThey came at Masahiro Tanaka bearing pots of gold from different places and angles, hoping he would pick them among a bevy of suitors.

Now, a number of clubs are left to scour the free-agent landscape for rotation help after the New York Yankees won the bidding war for the Japanese right-hander with a seven-year, $155 million deal. They include both Los Angeles teams and both Chicago teams, as well as the Arizona Diamondbacks, and they’re all among the losers in a sweepstakes that had frozen the market for free-agent starters.

Here’s a look at who won and who lost in the auction:

WINNERS

Yankees: Desperately in need of an ace with CC Sabathia in decline, the Evil Empire confirmed it’s back among baseball’s powerhouses. Tanaka’s signing completes a $438 million offseason spending spree that also landed them Jacoby Ellsbury, Brian McCann and Carlos Beltran. So much for austerity.

Matt Garza, Ubaldo Jimenez and Ervin Santana: All three free agent starters had been biding their time while teams tripped over themselves with offers for Tanaka, whose contract is the fifth-largest ever for a pitcher. They won’t cash in at the same level as Tanaka, but clearly there’s still plenty of money to go around, and clubs with pitching needs. Garza has an edge in that he’s not tied to draft-pick compensation by virtue of having been traded during the season before he became a free agent. Jimenez and Santana rejected qualifying offers, so they will cost the teams that sign them a high draft choice.

The rest of the NL West: The Dodgers are scary enough with a rotation featuring Cy Young Award winners Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke, along with impressive Korean lefty Hyun-Jin Ryu. Adding Tanaka to that mix would have been almost unfair. The Diamondbacks, San Francisco Giants, Colorado Rockies and San Diego Padres can breathe easier, though their task remains formidable.

LOSERS

Cubs: The Cubs were hoping to make Tanaka the pitching centerpiece of their rebuilding project and hopefully have him serve as an inducement for Jeff Samardzija to commit long-term to the club. They still have a number of high-level prospects on the pipeline, including Kris Bryant, Javier Baez, Jorge Soler and Albert Almora, but that might not be enough to convince Samardzija without more help for a dreadful rotation.

Dodgers: Unless they pick up another free agent starter, they figure to enter the season with Dan Haren and Josh Beckett as their No. 4 and 5 starters. That’s not such a terrible consolation prize, especially considering Haren closed out last year strong (6-4, 3.52 ERA) after a brutal first half (4-10, 5.61). But Beckett is coming off surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome and remains a question mark.

Diamondbacks: Arizona is flush with young pitching, to the point it could afford to trade lefty Tyler Skaggs in the Mark Trumbo deal. What the Diamondbacks lack is a pitcher used to being the staff ace. Tanaka guided the Rakuten Golden Eagles to the Japanese league championship as part of his 24-0 season and is comfortable in the role.

White Sox: Like the cross-town Cubs, the White Sox needed a marquee free agent to spark enthusiasm for a team that has fallen on hard times. The addition of Cuban slugger Jose Abreu was a step in that direction, but Tanaka’s star is brighter, and he appears closer to making an impact than Abreu. After Chris Sale, there’s not much in the White Sox rotation to get fans enthused.

Angels: Trying to bounce back from four consecutive non-playoff seasons and battling the Dodgers for market supremacy, the Angels made it their No. 1 priority this offseason to improve a pitching staff that ranked 11th in the league with a 4.23 ERA last season. They added Skaggs and fellow lefty Hector Santiago to a rotation that features Jered Weaver and C.J. Wilson. Tanaka would have provided a much bigger boost.

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220 Responses to “Winners and losers in the Tanaka sweepstakes”

  1. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    “Ted – No offense… but it’s his blog. You being banned from it is of no consequence to anyone… especially here. No matter how justified you think you were because you disagree with him… I’m pretty sure you weren’t. It’s just a bullpen, does that warrant personal attacks? No.”

    Where did I make any personal attack? The guy is a journalist and I attacked his writing. That is a professional attack, not a personal attack. If I say that Eduardo Nunez is a bad MLB baseball player, that doesn’t mean I am saying anything about him as a person.

    I have no doubt that I was justified in disagreeing with him, as I provided evidence to show.

    “If you don’t his blog, no one is forcing you to read it. Run your own blog, don’t run your mouth in the comments section.”

    You’re not allowed to disagree with anything on a blog? The comments section is literally for running your mouth. That is the whole idea of a blog.

  2. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    My heart breaks for them.

    :)

  3. Wave Your Hat January 23rd, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    I don’t see any reason to attack Axisa over here. What have we done to deserve it?

  4. pkyankfan69 January 23rd, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    Maybe a behind the scenes Papelbum deal to the Yanks is in the works?

    #Barf

  5. Captain Clutch January 23rd, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    I would take Rodney if it’s part of the contract that he can’t shoot that arrow and has to wear his hat straight.

  6. tomingeorgia January 23rd, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    Ted,
    Somebody agreed with you on the last thread. Consider it a victory.

  7. pkyankfan69 January 23rd, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    I would take Rodney if it’s part of the contract that he can’t shoot that arrow and has to wear his hat straight.
    —-
    lol… I can’t stand that.

  8. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    What’s wrong with Jason Frasor?
    Good #’s against leftys.

  9. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Kay is vanilla and his show will be like any other espn type that will bore you to tears.
    Francesa is quirky and rude enough to keep your attention.

  10. Ys Guy January 23rd, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    ” Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Is anyone going to the Super Bowl around here..?”
    =================================
    Yes! In fact, EVERYONE who’s going to the Super Bowl is doing so around here!

    :)

  11. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Torre: “I was lucky that my career took me only to great baseball towns. Every place where I played or managed is special to me because of the memories and the friendships that each afforded me. When I became the manager of the New York Yankees, it was an opportunity to realize my lifelong dream of winning the World Series. We were fortunate enough to succeed in our first season in 1996, and in the years that followed, we wrote some great new chapters in Yankee history. I am honored that I will wear the Yankee logo on my cap in Cooperstown to represent what our teams achieved together.”

    hear hear

  12. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Boomer and Carton , Dan Patrick, Russillo and RVS, Mike and Mike whatever are unwatchable.
    Most simulcasts or sports talk shows on the TV suck.
    For some reason Francesa’s personality or lack thereof draws the best.

  13. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    Ted – Somehow i doubt you got banned for simply “disagreeing with him”.

    Remember when I said that no one here cares that you got banned in the first place? Yeah…

  14. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    ‘Ralph Lauren Hates the US Olympic Team’ is exactly the headline I would have used as well.

    http://dlisted.com/2014/01/23/.....mpic-team/

    These are turrrrrible.

  15. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    Now that Tanaka has signed – Infield and Bullpen – a neurotic/OCD Yankees fan base turns its lonely eyes to you to fixate on

  16. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 2h
    Kuroda, Darvish and Iwakuma combined for a 2.93 ERA in 629.5 MLB innings in 2013.

    “Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world’s first bionic man. Steve Austin will be that man. Better than he was before. Better. Stronger. Faster.”

  17. Laurenfrances January 23rd, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    I like to see how Tanaka pitches in Pinstripes before pronouncing winners or losers of this acquisition.

  18. Chip January 23rd, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    mick January 23rd, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Boomer and Carton , Dan Patrick, Russillo and RVS, Mike and Mike whatever are unwatchable.
    Most simulcasts or sports talk shows on the TV suck.
    For some reason Francesa’s personality or lack thereof draws the best.
    ————————–

    It’s because those shows are all relatively bland whereas Francesa is completely polarizing. It’s like Howard Stern, people who love him listen, people who hate him listen even more.

    And if you can watch him to see if he might fall asleep during an interview…well everyone wants to tune in for that.

  19. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 2h
    Kuroda, Darvish and Iwakuma combined for a 2.93 ERA in 629.5 MLB innings in 2013.

    that last one was for children of the 70s

    for those of the 80s – we can combine them:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZv5Z2Iz_s

  20. Chip January 23rd, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    No to Pap.

    Guy who might be interesting is Tommy Hanson – he’s been a starter but coming off injury maybe see if he can stay healthier in the pen? He’s got a big fastball that would play well in relief.

    I’m not worried about the pen, of all parts of the team it’s the one that (for every team) seems to sort itself out without a major need for investment.

  21. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Jason La Canfora ?@JasonLaCanfora 1h
    Dolphins GM search been plenty bizarre. Owner Stephen Ross called one candidate by wrong name repeatedly in one interview, had plans to…

    thank goodness Stephen Ross had nothing to do with the Tanaka recruitment – of course if Hank was in the room – pretty good bet he would have referred to Tanaka as Hideki Matsui.

  22. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 12h
    Day 2 of the MLB international showcase in San Pedro Macoris. But first, an early start to see an eligible pitcher scouts tipped me off to.

    Should be getting a list of the July 2 top prospects soon

  23. Yankee Trader January 23rd, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Chip

    Tommy Hansonturned the Yankees 2009 season around. After shutting down the Yankees in a June pitching performance in Atlanta,in 2009, Cashman met with the team,dissatisfied with their lackluster play to date. Posada,,btw, struck out all 4 times in that game. The Yankees went on a tear and number 27 was history . :)

    Hanson had shoulder problems,and when I watched him years ago, had a very violent delivery.

  24. Revenge of Stoneburner January 23rd, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    Chavez joins a crowded outfield situation in Seattle, as he’ll be battling Franklin Gutierrez, Willie Bloomquist, Abraham Almonte and Dustin Ackley for either bench jobs or even a regular share of starting time in left field.

    Dustin Ackley – come on down

  25. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    “I don’t see any reason to attack Axisa over here. What have we done to deserve it?”

    I gave the exact reason that I was criticizing him. This wasn’t some random attack at him. I criticized very specific points he made in an article I linked to, points that I think speak to a general style he uses.

    “Ted,
    Somebody agreed with you on the last thread. Consider it a victory.”

    Tom, You are the last person I want to hear any criticism from. You are the most vile regular poster on here as far as I am concerned. You have absolutely no moral ground to stand on, and then you lower yourself even further by insulting me yet again. Get a life.

    Irreverent Discourse,

    You have any actual points, or you just want to pick a fight? You are commenting about something you seem to know nothing about. Stop wasting your times and mine.

  26. Yankee Trader January 23rd, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    You’ll get a kick out of this article.

    “The totally best Non-Roster Invitees the Yankees could sign because they hate us”

    “I have listed out five such baseball cretins that nobody really wants. They are ordered by oldness, because of course they are. Please, refrain from barfing directly onto your keyboard.”

    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....nco-janish

  27. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    “You have any actual points”

    Ted – Yes. Stop posting about your RAB experience over here. No one cares.

    As you said “Stop wasting your times and mine.”

    If we cared about what went on over there, we would be posting there.

  28. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles haven’t had any dialogue with Fernando Rodney’s agents in weeks.

    Breaking news: That thing posted on twitter 3 hours ago wasn’t true.

    This is my shocked face.

    O.o

  29. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Oh dear I didn’t break it did i?

  30. tomingeorgia January 23rd, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    My vileness is apparent to all, is it? What did I do except make a joke about Ozzie and Harriet. Just shove it, Ted.

  31. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    tomingeorgia -

    I could not believe that a poster called you vile, and having no moral ground to stand on. Wow, I can only imagine how twisted a person would have to be to make such a statement.

  32. RhapsodyInBlue January 23rd, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    Tom is vile?

    Funny. Actually for a bait fisherman I think he’s a good guy.

  33. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    Ted – Your quickness to slip into personal attacks makes it obvious why you really got banned.

    Keep it up, then you can add LoHud to the list of communities you aren’t welcome in.

  34. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    “What did I do except make a joke about Ozzie and Harriet.”

    You made a joke about Ozzie and Harriet getting divorced? They never got divorced, but it was in direct response to someone claiming to have divorced my mother.

  35. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    “Tom, You are the last person I want to hear any criticism from. You are the most vile regular poster on here as far as I am concerned. You have absolutely no moral ground to stand on, and then you lower yourself even further by insulting me yet again. Get a life”

    I think you’re confusing Tom with someone else

  36. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    “Wow, I can only imagine how twisted a person would have to be to make such a statement.”

    “Funny. Actually for a bait fisherman I think he’s a good guy.”

    Love how you guys stick up for each other, but insulting someone’s mother is pretty vile. Yes.

  37. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    “I think you’re confusing Tom with someone else”

    No, Tom is the guy that took an argument between me and him to the point of making a remark about my mother in response to a troll who was doing so. That was one of the lowest thing I have seen. Certainly on this blog.

  38. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    “Keep it up, then you can add LoHud to the list of communities you aren’t welcome in.”

    You really are the blog police, huh?

  39. GregD January 23rd, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    I have my tickets for spring training games……this is a bucket list for me…….

  40. GregD January 23rd, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    bucket list item

  41. GregD January 23rd, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Looking forward to seeing all the new players the Yanks have……….especially Tanaka and McCann….

  42. Poetkiosk January 23rd, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    “We still have the belt,” Gomes told the Boston Herald, referring to the Sox being the defending World Series champs.
    “People can go out sign whoever they want right now,” Gomes added. “It’s kind of flattering a little bit that the (division) rival does have to reload as much as they did.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2rGdnCM00

    I don’t disagree with the overall point – obviously all that matters is winning, not signing players -but this strikes me as a very babyish thing to say especially when you know you are on the record.

  43. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    I’m excited about McCann too. He makes the entire pitching staff better. I wonder how a player like Hughes would have developed differently if he had a more consistent catching situation.

  44. Poetkiosk January 23rd, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    I really don’t know much about McCann can any briefly describe what makes him special?

  45. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    5 different teams in 11 years has made Gomes an expert on “reloading”.

  46. RhapsodyInBlue January 23rd, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    Ted

    Do you use bait?

  47. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    The opener is against the Fla St Seminoles and Jameis Winston.

  48. Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Poet – http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....es-part-3/

    Pitch framing is the new hotness in catcher evaluations.

  49. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue January 23rd, 2014 at 6:33 pm
    Ted

    Do you use bait?
    *******************************************

    At this point in time it appears he is the bait, lol. :)

  50. pete2 January 23rd, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    I had heard Tanaka spoke English before the signing and now he claims to speak no English.

    Reminds me of a Japanese company I had business with. The CEO could not speak English, or so he claimed, so he would always bring his interpreter along to meetings. When the CEO was forced out, the new CEO was his old interpreter. The promotion cost him his ability to speak English apparently, must have been the stress of the new job, and so he brought along his own interpreter. Never heard another word of English from him. Too bad, he told some great jokes after way too much sake before he lost his English.

  51. pete2 January 23rd, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    Irreverent Discourse January 23rd, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    “I’m excited about McCann too. He makes the entire pitching staff better. I wonder how a player like Hughes would have developed differently if he had a more consistent catching situation.”

    Posada and then Martin and a bit of Cervelli as backup before last year. Can’t get much more consistent than that

  52. pkyankfan69 January 23rd, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    I just made my first attempt at lasagna… I hope it’s good.

    It’s in the oven now… I’ll let you guys know how it turns out, I’m sure everyone is dying in anticipation to find out!

  53. Poetkiosk January 23rd, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Thanks ID

  54. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    I think McCann’s big value is his stick.

    He may frame pitches well but in some of the other areas catching D he is very avg.

  55. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: with tax less of a consideration, yankees now weighing a run at stephen drew. http://t.co/N4GbSThebi

    Cheers!

  56. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 6:51 pm

    69-

    No offense but if you can’t handle lasagna you’re in a lot of trouble.

    :)

  57. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Blake’s wet dream may come true.

    Oh, happy days.

    :)

  58. macintosh January 23rd, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    “That was one of the lowest thing I have seen. Certainly on this blog.”

    you’re a rookie here.

    trust me, this blog can go way lower.

    if tomingreorgia can push your buttons, you would have not survived GB7 .

    …though it would have been fun watching :)

  59. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Gomes’ comments.. it’s all in the name of competition and I’ve grown tired of athletes being so vanilla with their public statements. It’s nothing offensive and it adds to the rivalry.

    In reality it’s silly since the Sox were doing a bit of a similar thing last off season…

  60. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    In defense of Ted, he was just speaking to questions he’s been asked about his attitude on RAB and why he was banned. He posted something from there, critiqued it, and explained why he’s critical of Axia overall.

    Generally he’s too prickly, but I think we can wear him down. He did answer the Justin Bieber question!

  61. Against All Odds January 23rd, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2014 at 6:50 pm
    @JonHeymanCBS: with tax less of a consideration, yankees now weighing a run at stephen drew. http://t.co/N4GbSThebi

    Cheers!

    ——————-
    Now pitch them on getting Friedman and we’re go to go.

  62. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: with tax less of a consideration, yankees now weighing a run at stephen drew. http://t.co/N4GbSThebi
    =====================
    Must have been my added support.
    Say buh bye to Nuney.

  63. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    macintosh January 23rd, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    “That was one of the lowest thing I have seen. Certainly on this blog.”

    you’re a rookie here.

    ————–

    Lol, my thoughts exactly!

  64. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Mr Tom said something bad about Ozzie and Harriet?

  65. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Not for nothing, but don’t we all say the same thing as Gomes did? That it doesn’t always mean anything to win the off-season?

    The Blue Jays clobbered the off-season last year, and where did it get them? Now, in the 2008 off-season, the Yankees clobbered the off-season and it paid off, but there’s no guarantees.

  66. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Blake’s wet dream may come true.

    ——————-

    I wish blake had this much pull the first time Beltran was a free agent!!

  67. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Wonder what the Sux will try out this season ?

    They’ve already tried out the Idiots, The chicken and beer crowd, and the Beards.

    In honor of their park- Fenway maybe they could be the Sardines ?

    :)

  68. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    mick,

    He made a joke about them being in separate beds, picking up in an off-hand manner on a conversational thread.

  69. pkyankfan69 January 23rd, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    I followed a recipe online called “World’s Best Lasagna” so I’m expecting big things.

  70. Patrick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Grabbing Drew would be a great pick up. Instant upgrade to the infield.

  71. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    doreen

    does not sound that bad.

  72. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    I think Drew adds 3 wins to this roster….I know most don’t agree but he woukd seriously improve their infield defense

  73. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    “I wish blake had this much pull the first time Beltran was a free agent!!”

    Or the 2nd time!

  74. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    69-

    You should have consulted one of the many fine cooks here at LoHud.

    We are a gourmet blog.

    ;)

  75. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    “In defense of Ted, he was just speaking to questions he’s been asked about his attitude on RAB and why he was banned. He posted something from there, critiqued it, and explained why he’s critical of Axia overall.”

    Appreciate it.

    It seems like about 5% of commenters on this blog actually have any interest in discussing baseball, and the rest just come on here to gossip and make friends.

  76. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    “Generally he’s too prickly, but I think we can wear him down. He did answer the Justin Bieber question!”

    Lol……

  77. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    It seems like about 5% of commenters on this blog actually have any interest in discussing baseball, and the rest just come on here to gossip and make friends.”

    We talk about a lot of things here…::always have. It’s centered around baseball but the discussion has always morphed out at times…..just the way it is

  78. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Blake-

    You’ve proven many times you are a Man ahead of the crowd.

    A force to be reckoned with.

    ;)

  79. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    If Romine or Murphy can’t beat out Cervelli for the backup catcher job this year then their worth is nil

  80. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    drew would provide insurance for SS and 3rd, for now.
    2 year deal would be fine.
    he would start for jete when he dh’s and if he can’t hack it at ss.
    for now start at 3rd, might platoon with johnson.
    kind of makes ryan and nunez expendable.

  81. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    It seems like about 5% of commenters on this blog actually have any interest in discussing baseball, and the rest just come on here to gossip and make friends.

    —————–

    Yeah I’m in that second group – but it is the off season! I talk 10% more baseball when actual baseball is on and spend the rest of my time here trying to get people to vote for me in competitions that don’t exist.

  82. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    blake -

    I agree Drew would add wins, but moreover, him not going back to the Red Sux might subtract a couple of wins from their side. P.S. the dip was great!

  83. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    why no buzz on the side twitter page about drew?

  84. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    I think Drew adds 3 wins to this roster….I know most don’t agree but he woukd seriously improve their infield defense

    —————–

    It’s not really about disliking Drew or what he’d bring to the table.. our INF is so bad a lot of decent players would improve it instantly. I just want one young INFer so badly!!!! If they sign Drew and get Diaz when he’s available I’ll be good with that.

  85. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    I’m all over Drew..he’s coming here

  86. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    blake-
    do you think they can fit both drew and baker in this mix?

  87. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    “I agree Drew would add wins, but moreover, him not going back to the Red Sux might subtract a couple of wins from their side. P.S. the dip was great!”

    Precisely

  88. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    Mick-

    They aren’t getting both.

  89. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    I think people come here for baseball conversation first and foremost.

    I think when the topics get tired because there really is nothing left to say, the conversation goes to other topics.

    And, yes, over the many years of this blog’s existence, friendships have been made, to the extent that friendships can be made in this type of venue. I value the ones I’ve made.

    There’s so much down time in the off-season, and you can’t be serious all the time. And for a lot of us, it’s a habit to come here, one that’s very difficult to break. But you know someone’s always going to be here.

    In the times when baseball news is scarce, and topics have run their course, we do seek advice from or share experiences with one another on any of a variety of things, and sometimes we veer toward the Page 6 type of subjects. It’s mostly all in fun and a way to pass the time between meetings, or in my case, dreary household chores.

    :)

  90. pkyankfan69 January 23rd, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    I’m down with Drew… Esp if it means no more Nuney.

    I hope Nuney enjoys Scranton or some other team.

  91. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    For me the most important off season additions would be a healthy and productive Jeter and Tex, and the return to form for CC. Without that, all the additions might be for naught.

  92. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Doreen – Justin Bieber’s deportation: yay or nay??

  93. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:12 pm
    For me the most important off season additions would be a healthy and productive Jeter and Tex, and the return to form for CC. Without that, all the additions might be for naught.
    ————————————
    agree need big years from CC & Tex

  94. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    MTU

    You have to figure Roberts will go down at some point.
    If you have johnson and baker over there then drew can play 3rd.

    nunez and ryan would be expendable or ichiro goes w/ j & b extra of’s.

  95. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Shame -

    Overdue.

  96. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    mick says:
    January 23, 2014 at 7:09 pm
    blake-
    do you think they can fit both drew and baker in this mix?

    I do….and that would be great….but somebody else would have to go. Ichiro or Johnskn or Roberts

  97. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Balfour was a big miss

  98. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    For me the most important off season additions would be a healthy and productive Jeter and Tex, and the return to form for CC. Without that, all the additions might be for naught.

    ————-

    Gotta agree.. that being said, I’m worried about these guys to different degrees.

    CC worries me the least. I think he’s a smart enough pitcher that he’ll make the adjustments needed to stay competitive.

    Jeter probably ranks second just because I love Derek Jeter and have trouble doubting him.

    Tex is probably in my code red worry zone because of the type of injury he has combined with the type of hitter he is.

  99. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Mick-

    Too much duplication.

    Why did they spend money on Ryan for 3 yrs. ?

  100. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Joeman -

    Must be because the Yankees wouldn’t promise him the closer job. I doubt Balfour wanted to be a co-closer or a set-up guy.

  101. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Shame -

    Overdue.

    —————-

    :lol:

  102. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    joeman says:
    January 23, 2014 at 7:08 pm
    I’m all over Drew..he’s coming here

    Your sources telling you that ?

  103. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 pm
    Joeman -

    Must be because the Yankees wouldn’t promise him the closer job. I doubt Balfour wanted to be a co-closer or a set-up guy.
    ————————————
    I would have let him close and keep DRod right where he is

  104. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    sorry DRob

  105. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Hal may have told Cash he could have one of Drew/Balfour and he picked drew….if so….wise move

  106. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 pm
    joeman says:
    January 23, 2014 at 7:08 pm
    I’m all over Drew..he’s coming here

    Your sources telling you that ?
    —————————————————–
    no a birdie

  107. Captain Clutch January 23rd, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Don’t forget that Heyman is Boras’ boyfriend. So I wouldn’t take his reports about a team being interested in one of his clients too seriously. He always exaggerates a teams interest to help Boras.

  108. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    somebody else would have to go. Ichiro or Johnskn or Roberts
    =========================================
    if they get baker and drew , nunez is gone.
    ichiro would likely be next in line w/ johnson and baker BUOF’s.
    you can play roberts and johnson vs rightys
    baker and drew vs leftys

  109. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Hope the birdie is right

  110. pete2 January 23rd, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    ” I just want one young INFer so badly!!!!”

    How about Dean Anna at 2B with a 410 OBP and 73 SB last year in AAA (albeit the PCL).

    Put me in the Drew camp. I am just not very optimistic about Jeter at SS, Roberts at 2B and Johnson at 3B. If that IF plays 10 games together at those positions I will eat my candy hat.

  111. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:20 pm
    Hope the birdie is right
    ————————–
    usually about 50/50

  112. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    I have to see it but I don’t think Jeter will run very well

  113. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    DRob might be risky to some extent, but he’s Yankee-proven, and earned the right to be the one to lose the position.

    To me, after Mo, there is no one out there who you can say has the year-in-year out; outing-in-outing-out consistency.

    So if they better spend whatever money they have left elsewhere, I think that’s the best course of action.

    I trust their ability to fill in the back end of the bullpen.

    Closers are tricky. I wouldn’t bet on any of ‘em. Most of them seem to have a good year or two.

  114. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    “I think Drew adds 3 wins to this roster….I know most don’t agree but he woukd seriously improve their infield defense”

    I don’t think many posters disagree that he improves the team. It’s just a matter of degree and certainty. 3 player wins is pretty steep. You keep saying that Drew was worth 4 WAR last season, but he was worth 3.4 fWAR and 3.1 bWAR. That was his best season by either since 2010, and 2010 was the only season he’s topped either mark in his career. While he could have a career year in 2014, any other Yankees’ IF could exceed expectations as well. So, let’s say repeating 2013 is the expectation for a healthy Drew. He’d have to be replacing a 0.4 fWAR, 0.1 bWAR starter to add 3 WAR. It’s possible, but it’s a pretty pessimistic outcome for their other IFs. Not really their expected productions (for the starting guys / platoons).

    In reality, we have to discount whatever we expect from a healthy Drew by a fairly considerable injury risk. You have to do it even more for Roberts and I don’t know how much for Jeter, but cumulatively I would probably expect Drew to add 1-2 player wins depending on who he bumps.

    Seriously improving their IF defense is theoretically already captured in WAR, but to me it really depends if he bumps Jeter off SS (which is what I’d like to see, personally). If he does, sure. If he’s at 3B, is he better than KJ? We don’t really know how good either is at 3B. He’s probably not better than Ryan at SS, so he might hurt their IF defense if Jeter can’t go and he bumps Ryan (though I would expect him to help the team overall). Maybe he bumps some combination of all of the above?

    Despite all the arguments we’ve had about him, I would love to see the Yankees sign Drew to a reasonable deal (which is hard to define, of course). It’s just been a matter of degree that they need him or he improves the team.

  115. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Looks like the Brewers and Garza camp hit some sort of snag… wonder if they get it done or if someone swoops.

  116. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:23 pm
    DRob might be risky to some extent, but he’s Yankee-proven, and earned the right to be the one to lose the position.
    ——————————————
    just say he can’t get the job done they have nobody to turn to

  117. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Mick,
    Nunez is gone either way IMO.

    I think if they signed both Drew and Baker then they’d try to trade Ichiro move some money…..maybe they could swap him for Putz or something

  118. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    MTU

    What do you think of Jason Frasor?
    Set up potential?

  119. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    So if they *CAN* better spend whatever money they have left…

  120. austinmac January 23rd, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    Good point on Heyman’s relationship with Boras. It did strike me as impetus for the Red Sox.

  121. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    A team needs to be strong up the middle, and right now that’s their greatest weakness.

    There may have been just too many needs to be filled to do it all in one off season.

    There’s still time, but not enough quality FA available. The best answer may still be trades before the season starts, or at the TD in mid season.

    Keep in mind, if D-Rob fails at closer, that weakens the entire BP, top to bottom would be affected.

  122. JimK January 23rd, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    It remains to be seen how much Tanaka will improve the Y’s rotation, but their lineup still seems to have too many holes, which means that last year’s scoring problems may continue during the 2014 season.
    And while I agree the Y’s did the right thing by not singing Cano to a 10 year deal, his bat will be missed. The Y’s are banking on a return to form for Tex, but one look at his last three years, not counting 2013, does not instill much confidence; Jeter is old and should move to 3rd, but even here we do not know how productive he will be at the bat.
    The loss of Granderson also eliminates a long ball threat, which I doubt Ellsbury will replace. The Y’s signing of McCann reminds me of prior Y signings, where they signed a player whose recent performance demonstrate a decline in productivity, but since McCann is a LH batter his HR production may benefit by playing at YS.
    That leaves Beltran, and I do not know what to expect from him, if the Y’s get a repeat performance of the past 2 years the deal will be good, but it is never a good sign when your team needs to rely on 37 YO players.

  123. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:25 pm
    MTU

    What do you think of Jason Frasor?
    Set up potential?
    —————————————————–
    for me it would be a former closer who would like to pitch the 8th with a chance to close if DRob has a problem

  124. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    Drew could happen as the sox are disrespecting him and many a sock has gone to the yanks following that.

    It would hurt the sox, relying on youngsters…..next up Lester 2015.

  125. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    mac -

    Perhaps Drew’s camp is just using the Yanks to get a bigger and longer deal from the Sux.

  126. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    pete – Because it’s the PCL, I’m keeping my lower expectations in place. It’d be awesome if Anna came outta nowhere, though.

  127. Doreen January 23rd, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Joeman,

    That’s a risk, for sure. But what established closer is going to sign on as insurance or to have to compete for a job in the spring? It’s one thing for a guy like Soriano to agree to come as a backup to Mo. Oh, and he got paid handsomely to do so. I don’t think the Yankees want to pay anyone closer money, or make any long term commitments.

    I’d think these guys want more assurance that they’d be the main closer.

  128. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:28 pm
    mac -

    Perhaps Drew’s camp is just using the Yanks to get a bigger and longer deal from the Sux.
    ———————————————————–
    they really don’t need Drew..

  129. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Unless they trade Gardner….Ichiro has no real role on this team

  130. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    the Sox that is

  131. joeman January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    where did you hear they were trading Gardner

  132. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Mick-

    He’s a possible.

    Had a great year w the Rangers.

    Inexpensive.

  133. DocTodd January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Is there going to be a Tanaka press conference on YES?? Anybody know??

  134. austinmac January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Al,

    That is the way it struck me. Boras uses all the tools.

  135. Ted Nelson January 23rd, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    “you can play roberts and johnson vs rightys
    baker and drew vs leftys”

    Johnson hits LHP substantially better than Drew. Both on his career and in 2013.

  136. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    MTU

    I think the Yanks know who they want but aren’t telling us ;)

  137. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Putz
    Storen

    are also possibilities.

    Putz has closer experience.

    He’s been aced out by Addison reed.

  138. MTU January 23rd, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    New one ——–>

  139. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    When will Tanaka come to NY to be officially introduced?

  140. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Ryan would seem superfluous if they got Drew and Baker.
    On days when Drew is at 3rd, Ryan can BU Jeter in late innings but Drew could always move to SS and either Baker or Johnson to 3rd.

  141. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    MTU -

    I think they missed the boat not signing Balfour, goodness, just $12M/2 years!

  142. pkyankfan69 January 23rd, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    A Drew/Baker platoon at 3B would be pretty sweet (in addition to them playing/backing up other positions)

    Drew 2013 vs righties: .284/.377/.498/.875
    Baker 2013 vs lefties: .314/.407/.667/1.074

    That ain’t to shabby

  143. mick January 23rd, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    Thy need a BU1B if/when Tex goes down.
    Baker seems like a lock.
    They need versatility and he and Johnson give that.
    So does Drew.
    Ryan and Nunez would be non entities.

  144. blake January 23rd, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Ellsbury CF
    Jeter 3B/SS
    Beltran RF
    McCann C
    Soriano DH
    Tex 1b
    Drew SS/3B
    Roberts 2b
    Gardner LF

    Bench:
    Cervelli, Ryan, Baker, Johnson

    That’s a 13 . Trade Ichiro

  145. BIG AL January 23rd, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    blake -

    If you’re correct, and I believe you are, they need to trade Ichiro, or go short in the BP, which I can’t see them doing.

    MLB needs to expand the roster to a 50 man, and a 27 or 28 man ML roster.

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