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After Jeter: Looking for the next Yankees icon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 24, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Still kind of thinking about this morning’s Pinch Hitters post. For a team with the Yankees’ extensive history, becoming a true franchise icon is tough. It’s an awfully high standard to meet. Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera have certainly played their way into that sort of status. Andy Pettitte and Jorge Posada might be a step below, but they’re iconic in their own way. Alex Rodriguez, for better and for worse, will be forever remembered as a member of the Yankees.

But as one era of Yankees baseball begins to fade away, who’s the next player — after Jeter — who will retire as a legitimately iconic part of the Yankees history? Here are a few possibilities. Oh, and it’s worth acknowledging that in every case mentioned here, we’re talking about an extreme best-case scenario, but that’s inevitable when we’re talking about a player becoming an iconic Yankee. That won’t happen for anyone who’s career only plays out pretty well.

Masahiro TanakaMasahiro Tanaka
Obviously. With a seven-year deal and $155-million worth of hype and expectation, it’s impossible to ignore Tanaka in a discussion like this. At 25 years old, it’s not out of the question that he could be a legitimate big league starter for another 10 years, maybe more. If he plays out his entire career with the Yankees and lives up to his potential, Tanaka could absolutely be an iconic part of franchise history. Hideki Matsui was 29 when he came over from Japan, and he spent seven years in pinstripes. He left a pretty substantial legacy. Could Tanaka exceed it?

Brian McCann
He turns 30 in February. It’s worth noting, that Paul O’Neill also turned 30 in February the year he came to the Yankees.* O’Neill’s nine seasons in the Bronx might have been just short of iconic, but he is still incredibly popular, and he’s certainly an unmistakable part of that late-90s dynasty. If McCann plays out his current contract, with maybe another two years when this deal is over, could he create a similar place in franchise history? What if he’s a Hall of Famer, with five to eight years as the next in a long line of great Yankees catchers? Would that be enough to overshadow the nine years he’s already played in Atlanta? He could be a kind of less-controversial (presumably) version of Reggie Jackson.

CC Sabathia
His current contract includes a vesting option for 2017. If that option year kicks in, Sabathia will have spent nine seasons with the Yankees (he spent seven and a half with Cleveland). He’s already finished top five in Cy Young voting three times with the Yankees, and he’s 12 wins away from his 100th as a Yankee. If he’s able to transition into this later phase of his career — if he’s able to adjust to his diminished fastball and find away to be an elite pitcher again for two or three years — would that make him one of the elite pitchers in franchise history? He’s already 12th in strikeouts, and he’s three away from being top 20 in wins.

Jacoby Ellsbury
He’s not much older than McCann, and he’s signed to a longer contract. He’s also playing a position that’s well rooted in Yankees history. Ellsbury really only had four full seasons with the Red Sox. He was in Boston for seven years, but in three of those seasons he played a total of just 125 games. With a seven-year contract — plus a team options — Ellsbury has a chance to easily eclipse his Red Sox background and become known primarily as a member of the Yankees. Question is whether he can be healthy enough and productive enough to become a truly iconic kind of player.

Ivan NovaIvan Nova
Here’s the problem with Nova: He’s already 27 years old. He might still have 10 years of being a Major League starter, but at this point in his career, is he really going to develop the sort of dominance that makes a player iconic? Seems hard to bet on that (then again, I suppose it’s hard to bet on that with any player). If the second half of last season is a sign of things to come — if he really is on the verge of becoming an elite starting pitcher — then maybe, just maybe, Nova could have an iconic career. To some extent, the same is true for Dave Robertson, who turns 29 in April and could have 10 years as a big league closer.

Gary Sanchez
Kind of a stand in for guys like Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, Eric Jagielo, etc. At some point — surely — the Yankees will develop another everyday player from within their own farm system. Or maybe it’s a top-of-the-rotation starter. Whatever the position, it’s hard to imagine the Yankees going 50 years without developing their own superstar who signs with the Yankees, breaks into the big leagues with the Yankees, becomes an All-Star with the Yankees, and retires as one of the Yankees all-time icons. Maybe it’s Sanchez. Maybe it’s Heathcott. Maybe it’s some kid playing in a sandlot down the street from my apartment.

Robinson Cano
Let’s say Cano retires in 10 years, and he’s a Hall of Fame player. But during his entire time in Seattle, the Mariners never got things turned around. Maybe a playoff appearance or two, but for the most part, Cano was just a great player for a forgotten franchise. He could reach 3,000 hits and still have more than half of them with the Yankees. If Cano becomes one of the all-time elite second basemen in baseball history, wouldn’t he still be remembered as a significant part of Yankees history? Maybe not the all-time icon that he could have been had he stayed in the Bronx, but he could still be iconic in his own way.

* In comparing McCann to O’Neill, it can’t be overlooked that O’Neill came to New York having well under 3,000 at-bats in Cincinnati. McCann had nearly 4,000 at-bats with the Braves. Makes it a little harder to forget about his previous team when he had such a lasting impact there.

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209 Responses to “After Jeter: Looking for the next Yankees icon”

  1. kd January 24th, 2014 at 7:11 pm

    manban.

    mo came back stronger after tommy john, so can he.

  2. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Re-post:

    So the Yankees don’t control Yes anymore. What does this mean to Joe Fan?

    Chad and the professional writers out there should start working on answering that question. Far more important than following tiresome rumors like Drew.

    From what I surmise, Fox will now control the broadcasts. I assume they can select announcers. They could obviously change format as well. I wonder how much Yankee broadcasts will be integrated into the Fox Sports Network. Will Bill O’Reilly be invited into booth with Kay?

    What about the financial side? I imagine the Yankees’ entity, Global Enterprises is going to get paid somehow for the stake. I suspect the Yankees will continue to license their games to Yes so now it will be Fox paying the Yanks instead of Yes paying the Yanks. Since the Yanks are only small minority owners of Yes, I imagine they would be less concerned with ratings and advertising. That’s Fox’s concern now.

    Lots to examine here.

  3. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Pat M. January 24th, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    I miss him too!

  4. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
    I knew if I asked a crazy question sombody would open up the doors to what it could mean for me the fan.

    Thanks Dan

  5. luis January 24th, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Out of those you mentioned Chad.. Here is my list: Nova…. Maybe Sanchez and maybe Tanaka… The others not a chance, they are just hired help, not true Yankees, no matter how you want to look at it.

    Cano is already the greatest Yankee 2B ever, so he is iconic in his own right… But the Yankees FO made sure that he won’t be one of the Yankees all time great as he surely would have been… But he will be one of baseball’s greats no doubt

  6. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Oops, I was on the other side.

  7. mick January 24th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    The Yankees just spent a ton on money on various players were they have to either offer vesting options or extra yrs just to get them. How are terms dictating the terms?
    ===========================
    B/c it’s now post-Tanaka time.
    Guys like Baker and Drew and the 4 starting pitchers can twiddle their thumbs on the sidelines b/c they aren’t dictating the terms.
    MiL deals galore.
    They thought their value would go up after Tanaka but they are going down…nobody got scooped up…even Garza was a rumor.

  8. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    Luis, how are the tropics? Nice and cold up here, no snakes!

  9. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    Other Joe Fan Questions:

    –Does this impact cable packages at all? I hear the Dodgers are having problems with Time Warner with their new network. I never heard of Yes having problems but does this change anything?

    –Does Fox even need Yes now? Could they just roll it up into one their many channels that they control?

    –Will Sean Hannity start throwing baseballs around the set now?

  10. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Theresa Barber is a vocalist I heard one time. I’m going to have to go out there and buy her :)

  11. blake January 24th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Jesus Montero

  12. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    I expect the team to sign several relief pitchers to MiL contracts with ST invites next.

  13. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    I think an Icon by definition must be homegrown. I don’t really see any in the pipeline. However, CC probably has the best chance among the non-homegrown talents if he can reverse his decline and be strong for a few more years. Way too early to say on guys who have yet to play a full season with the Yankees.

  14. mick January 24th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Cano is already the greatest Yankee 2B ever, so he is iconic in his own right… But the Yankees FO made sure that he won’t be one of the Yankees all time great as he surely would have been… But he will be one of baseball’s greats no doubt
    ===============================
    Let’s see if he gets a pitch to hit in the near future.
    Icons can’t be predicted, look at O’Neill…
    To say it’s the Yankees fault is erroneous, Cano could care less about being a Yankee.

  15. comet January 24th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    MTU not me I wouldn’t trade Nova for Andrus. Nova could end as a number 1 or 2.

  16. blake January 24th, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    comet says:
    January 24, 2014 at 7:27 pm
    MTU not me I wouldn’t trade Nova for Andrus. Nova could end as a number 1 or 2.

    Is rather sign Drew and keep Nova

  17. comet January 24th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Pat I miss GB7 as well. He was in addition to being a great guy, a leader here on the board and I imagine in life and he knew his baseball.

  18. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    GB7 was, and is, a hoot!

  19. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    Comet-

    We need a good young SS like an Andrus type. Doesn’t have to be him.

    Their are many options out there.

    I like Nova real well but he can be made expendable w additional pitching being added.

    You have to consider how the Yankees might view him.

    It might be way different than how we do ?

    Even FWIS I am not sure he has found what I think he has found.

    In that light he represents an excellent sell high candidate.

    The flip side of keeping him is imaging how we would feel if we could have done that and he
    becomes inconsistent again.

    Just something to consider.

    ;)

  20. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Like Wave, I’m no Rupert Murdoch fan at all. I am a Yankee fan and as long as CBS is not owning the team like back in the late 60′s I will be okay I guess. History has a way of repeating itself though.

    In 1961 the Yanks looked unbeatable and the long-term outlook seemed wonderful for 10 years to come and even seemed positioned for a sustaining it in 1964. The wheels fell off in 1965. A 1964 SP staff of Bouton 25, Ford 35, Downing 23, Stottlemyre 22, Ralph Terry 28 seemed destined to win more championships.

    Pepitone 23, Richardson 28, Kubek 28, Boyer 27, Tresh 25, Maris 29 & Mantle 32 with Elston Howard 35 being the leder statesman with Johny Blanchard 31 & Jake Gibbs 25 as backups.

    What I’m trying to say is most people think the Yankees of the 60′s just got old, but the truth is they weren’t old but they were mismanaged from Ownership down thru Manager (Keane). I hope the Yankees don’t follow that script with ties to Murdoch.

  21. Wave Your Hat January 24th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    I don’t think the Yes news is news. Fox always had that option. I don’t believe it means that Yankee Global Enterprises is losing control of content, so I don’t think it means much except that Joe Yankee Fan is contributing a little more to the insidious right wing.

  22. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    Mick-

    I agree with you.

    I think the Yankees would like to add more but on their terms.

    ;)

  23. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Blake-

    Andrus is a lot younger than Drew. With more long term potential.

    Can be made cheaper too by having the Rangers eat some salary if they wanted Nova.

    Nova only has value if he can keep it together.

    Think he can, or do you have your doubts ?

    I think you have your doubts.

    Maybe the Yankees do too ?

    ;)

  24. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    Comet, u go to many Jays games? At some point, we’re supposed to be getting real grass of one sort or another, but, one can never tell; I’m not holding my breath.

  25. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Movie night tonight.

    Captain Phillips on tap.

    Show starts soon.

  26. mick January 24th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    MTU

    I think Heyman floated that in fear of the Yanks grabbing Baker limiting Drew’s options.

    At this point, I’d say it’s one or the other.

    Drew wants too much and Baker knows his value, just that Yanks won’t pay it.

  27. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    More important questions:

    –It seemed like the Yankees under George pioneered the business model of the team owning the broadcasting entity. Now, while several other teams are rolling out their own sports channels, the Yankees are changing their model and going back to selling their rights to a large broadcasting company. Why and why now? How does this benefit the team short and long term?

    –Are the Yanks being paid in cash for the stake? What do they intend to do with the proceeds?

    –What about the Yankees financial transparency? Before a lot of the team value was tied up with Yes. Many of their cash flows were related party transactions. Now the team’s financials may be more transparent. How does this effect the Yanks’ relationship with MLB and other owners? Does this make the team easier to value and therefore easier to sell?

  28. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Hal Steinbrenner did not just act like a Man ready to sell.

    ;)

  29. mick January 24th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    American Hustle 10x > Capt Phillips

  30. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    I’ve never understood what people mean by plastic plants in their house. Ultimate low maintenance I guess.

  31. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Mick-

    I agree.

    It might just be who wants to come to poppa the most.

    We’ll see.

    I don’t think the Yankees are done.

    They have issues that need addressing.

    Doesn’t make sense to stop short after so much has already been spent.

    ;)

  32. Wave Your Hat January 24th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    It makes the Yanks (with their broadcasting rights) less valuable because current ownership just cashed out to a significant degree.

  33. jmills January 24th, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Betty Blue 37.2 Le Matin

  34. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    I can’t fathom the talk of trading Nova when CC is coming off a career worst season, Kuroda is 39 and Tanaka has yet to prove himself. Granted, Drew is no Andrus but he is available, not too expensive, and will cost only a 2nd round pick.

    His value to the Red Sox last year can not be overstated. He had a bit of a rough start but the last 2 months he was a key factor in their running away from the rest of the AL East and had a number of clutch hits. Fenway was not a great park for his bat, YS3 is.

  35. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 7:37 pm
    Like Wave, I’m no Rupert Murdoch fan at all. I am a Yankee fan and as long as CBS is not owning the team like back in the late 60?s I will be okay I guess. History has a way of repeating itself though.

    In 1961 the Yanks looked unbeatable and the long-term outlook seemed wonderful for 10 years to come and even seemed positioned for a sustaining it in 1964. The wheels fell off in 1965. A 1964 SP staff of Bouton 25, Ford 35, Downing 23, Stottlemyre 22, Ralph Terry 28 seemed destined to win more championships.

    Pepitone 23, Richardson 28, Kubek 28, Boyer 27, Tresh 25, Maris 29 & Mantle 32 with Elston Howard 35 being the leder statesman with Johny Blanchard 31 & Jake Gibbs 25 as backups.

    What I’m trying to say is most people think the Yankees of the 60?s just got old, but the truth is they weren’t old but they were mismanaged from Ownership down thru Manager (Keane). I hope the Yankees don’t follow that script with ties to Murdoch.

    ——–

    I talked about this a few weeks ago. They really had some bad luck with injuries. Bouton looked awesome and Tresh was like a little Mickey Mantle. And Joe “you coulda made us proud” Pepitone was super talented but super screw up. Didn’t Maris have some injury too.

  36. blake January 24th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    MTU,
    Id rather have Andrus if were just those two of course….but I might rather have Nova +Drew than Andrus

  37. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    pete-

    You can’t but maybe the Yankees can ?

    Is that possible ?

    Maybe they don’t see him the way you might ?

    Also possible, no ?

    Again, something to consider on a cold evening.

    :)

  38. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Ted Turner actually created the model of teams owning their network & it worked brilliantly for them. George took it to a new level with Yes & the Yankees. Now the Yanks are capitalizing on their stake with the Yes Network & Fox. Again it is shrewd business for the Steins & I am a bit concerned for the Yanks but not overly so.

    Cash flow is king to dominating anything especially MLB. The Yankees are set to compete on that level now with anyone.

  39. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    Blake-

    What if it were Andrus + Ubaldo/Bailey/Santana vs. the other two ?

    Make a difference ?

    ;)

  40. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    Does FOX have a big presence in Japan? I bet they will soon if they don’t.

    The timing of this is interesting.

  41. mick January 24th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    MTU

    American Hustle > Capt Phillips

    more to look at, much more…

  42. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Look. Does it matter if it’s Andrus, Owings/Gregorius, Castro, Franklin, etc. ?

    Point is we need a SS for the future.

    Ryan isn’t that nor would Drew be.

    We’re really thin.

    Just saying.

    ;)

  43. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    “So the Yankees don’t control Yes anymore. What does this mean to Joe Fan?”

    They never did have a controlling interest, only 34%. Goldman Sachs had the majority I believe. However, Fox may operate as they see fit unless the deal with News Corps set some limits.

    Owning 20% of a 4 billion enterprise than generates a lot of profits is still valuable. However, the Yankees only get 85 million a year in rights fees that escalates at 4% per year until 2042. That’s about 1/2 what the Dodgers are getting. Of course, they did get an additional 400 million for extending the rights to YES until 2042.

  44. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Yes Maris did hurt his shoulder & back and the Yanks eventually spun him to the Cardinals & he helped the StL Cards to a WS win or two.

    The problem was basically ownership though as they cut cost everywhere to make a profit (short-term). They cut scouting, coaches, signing of players or even trades. They put Mickey on display to sell tickets & didn’t care about the rest. It was all short term profits for them much like most big business today.

  45. blake January 24th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    What if it were Andrus + Ubaldo/Bailey/Santana vs. the other two ?”

    I like that better except that it costs more…..I love Andrus and have wanted him before and still do. I’m just not sure he’s even available

  46. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Mick-

    It’s not out on Redbox yet.

    When it is I will be all over it.

    And Out of the Furnace too.

    Movie time.

    Later.

    :)

  47. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 24th, 2014 at 7:37 pm
    I don’t think the Yes news is news. Fox always had that option. I don’t believe it means that Yankee Global Enterprises is losing control of content, so I don’t think it means much except that Joe Yankee Fan is contributing a little more to the insidious right wing.

    —–

    Unless I’m mistaken, before this transaction, Fox was a minority owner and now they own 80% of Yes. That means they control Yes and all Yankee broadcasts. The Yanks as minority owners probably have little if any control over content, except of course they control the product on the field. Of course Fox control was probably contemplated when the original deal was made with the option but now it’s come to fruition. The Yanks are out of the broadcasting business.

  48. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    MTU January 24th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    “pete-

    You can’t but maybe the Yankees can ?

    Is that possible ?

    Maybe they don’t see him the way you might ?

    Also possible, no ?

    Again, something to consider on a cold evening.”

    Yes to all on a warm (70 degrees) morning.

  49. Against All Odds January 24th, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    mick January 24th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    ———————–

    I see where you’re coming from.

  50. luis January 24th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Jmills,

    Mid 70′s!!!

    Mick,

    He just needs 3 more good seasons and he will be among the all time greats

  51. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
    bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    “So the Yankees don’t control Yes anymore. What does this mean to Joe Fan?”

    They never did have a controlling interest, only 34%. Goldman Sachs had the majority I believe. However, Fox may operate as they see fit unless the deal with News Corps set some limits.

    ———

    Is that true, the Yanks never had a controlling interest of Yes, even in it’s inception? I thought the Goldman Sachs stake came later. I doubt very much Goldman controlled Yes. I thought they were minority partners. I should it must have been a passive investment for them.

  52. Against All Odds January 24th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
    I think an Icon by definition must be homegrown.

    ————————–

    There is some truth to that. There is something about being homegrown and becoming an icon. But i a player is traded to a team or signs as a free agent and produces at a high level then they can become an icon.

  53. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    How soon before FOX begins marketing YES to foreign cables. Tanaka’s wife can have a variety show on the Japanese version of YES.

  54. blake January 24th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    @YankeesPR: Roster move – Yankees send LHP David Huff to San Francisco in exchange for cash considerations.

  55. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
    bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    The problem was basically ownership though as they cut cost everywhere to make a profit (short-term). They cut scouting, coaches, signing of players or even trades. They put Mickey on display to sell tickets & didn’t care about the rest. It was all short term profits for them much like most big business today.

    —–

    I don’t deny any of that because that’s the story I’ve always been told about CBS. But my point was, I don’t think to team should have collapsed as quickly as it did. There was a lot of talent on those mid-60s teams even with all the cut-backs. There was a lot of bad luck too. And Bill Robinson was supposed to be the black Mickey Mantle! At least that’s what my dad said.

  56. Against All Odds January 24th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    So that means more Fox Business News updates

  57. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Commercials for FOX programming on YES?

    We go hollywood?

  58. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Will Foxsports1 market the Yankees like ESPN markets the Red Sox?

  59. bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    God I hate it when they pan to insipid TV stars sitting in the stands. They ain’t even watching the game. Hope there won’t be more of that.

  60. DocTodd January 24th, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Movie lovers…..be sure to see Nebraska…

  61. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Actually Bobby Murcer & Roy White came in 1965 & ownership replaced Yogi with StL Cards Mgr Johny Keane who was inept. CBS traded Ralph Terry to the Indians for zip & Jim Bouton the 1964 Ace was 4-15 in 1965 as he was hurt but they continued to push him out there. There were no re-inforcements & the players were treated differently & badly really.

  62. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    After the 1964 season, CBS purchased 80% of the Yankees from Topping and Webb for $11.2 million.[21] With the new ownership, the team began to decline. In fact, the Yankees finished in the second division for the first time in 40 years in 1965. This was worsened by the introduction of the major league amateur draft that year, which meant that the Yankees could no longer sign any player they wanted. Webb sold his 10 percent stake to CBS before the year was over.

    In 1966, the Yankees finished last in the AL for the first time since 1912. It also marked their first consecutive losing seasons since 1917 and 1918. They finished next-to-last in 1967.

    Note Bill Robinson came to the Yanks in 1967.

  63. RayVT January 24th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    BTW, Yankees traded 3B Clete Boyer to Milwaukee Braves for a very young Bill Robinson. Bill would later be pretty good for Pirates in the 70′s. Yanks got zip for him when they traded Robinson to CWS in 1970.

  64. austinmac January 24th, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    Ray,

    Those were some ugly years for a kid who grew up with the team in the Series every year. Ah, reality.

  65. charlestonchew January 24th, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Slade Heathcott or Manny Banuelos are my guesses.

  66. comet January 24th, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Mr. Mills have not been to a Jays game in ages. To much loud music and waves for me. I’d much rather watch or listen the Yankees at home. In fact I’d rather go NYS to watch a game. How about you?

    BTW a little more snow today. Cold through next week.

  67. T15D23 January 24th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Cano did nothing here. No MVP. No ROY. No HR title. No batting title. He batted a measly .075 in his last post season with us (2012) and .222 overall. Cano will be a byline to a what not to do with the talent God gave, which is not use it.

    So good riddance to Lay-Z.

  68. Revenge of Stoneburner January 24th, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Another Yankees minor leaguer has had trouble with the law in Tampa.

    Omar Luis, a 21-year-old from Cuba whom the Yankees signed for $4 million, was arrested early Friday for driving under the influence after police witnessed him driving his 2014 Mercedes the wrong way on a one-way street.

    According to Tampa police, it took two cruisers to get Rodriguez to pull over at 3:15 a.m. He registered a .102 blood-alcohol level, above the Florida legal limit of .08.

    Previously, Michael Pineda and Mason Williams were arrested for driving while impaired in Tampa.

  69. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    bigdan22 January 24th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    “Is that true, the Yanks never had a controlling interest of Yes, even in it’s inception? I thought the Goldman Sachs stake came later. I doubt very much Goldman controlled Yes. I thought they were minority partners. I should it must have been a passive investment for them.”

    No, Goldman was one of the original investors and always had more than the Yankees. They never had more than 47% though, so you were right there, but the Yankees never had much more than 35%.

    You might be confusing YankeeNets with Yes.

    But Fox has a clear majority now, so you may be right to be concerned about changes

  70. Wave Your Hat January 24th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Bigdan-

    Believe it or not I understand corporate control. However I also understand shareholder agreements and operating agreements, which can say pretty much anything. I think Fox is looking at this as a coupon investment. Although not common what I read about this deal indicates that even though Fox is getting majority control the Steinbrenners are retaining creative control. My guess is that Fox is protected through covenants which probably have the effect of flipping control if certain financial returns aren’t met.

  71. comet January 24th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    BTW, Yankees traded 3B Clete Boyer to Milwaukee Braves for a very young Bill Robinson. Bill would later be pretty good for Pirates in the 70?s. Yanks got zip for him when they traded Robinson to CWS in 1970.

    Ray I remember both trades and wondered why the Yankees gave up on Robinson. He was very good for the Pirates!

  72. comet January 24th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner January 24th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
    Another Yankees minor leaguer has had trouble with the law in Tampa.

    Omar Luis, a 21-year-old from Cuba whom the Yankees signed for $4 million, was arrested early Friday for driving under the influence after police witnessed him driving his 2014 Mercedes the wrong way on a one-way street.

    According to Tampa police, it took two cruisers to get Rodriguez to pull over at 3:15 a.m. He registered a .102 blood-alcohol level, above the Florida legal limit of .08.

    Previously, Michael Pineda and Mason Williams were arrested for driving while impaired in Tampa.

    Are you sure they didn’t mean Rob Ford or Justin Beiber??????

  73. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Tampa Police will be busy tomorrow. Gasparilla Pirate invasion. up to 1 million people from Bay Shore to Ybor city. I think the main theme must be fallen down drunk as a pirate. I swear they find people passed out drunk in the strangest places. It pertends to be a parade.

  74. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    * pretends

  75. austinmac January 24th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    The Dodgers sign everyone, even Chone Figgins. Is there a worse player statistically?

  76. Against All Odds January 24th, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    austinmac January 24th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    ————–

    Nixy???

  77. Wave Your Hat January 24th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    austinmac-

    Thanks for the reminder. I went back to look at Figgins’ career. 2010-2012 were a marvel.

  78. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Nixy’s a Ray now he’ll probably out play K. Johnson. LOL

  79. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    US Olympians are being told NOT to wear their colors or uniform apperal out side the venues they compete in.

    Those uni’s are hideous but I sure hope we don’t see another 1972 kinda catastrophy.

  80. luis January 24th, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    Odds,

    Yes, some outsiders can become Icons… But I don’t think players already in their 30′s can… Liked, respected sure… They simply don’t have enough prime seasons left to become icons… At least not without PED’s… Which is the case of both Ellsbury and McCann… If you get a Trout in his 20′s, he can… Like Ruth became an Icon

  81. luis January 24th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    Or to a lesser degree O’neal… Not to mention that Ellsbury has “albatross” written all over it

  82. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Mello is done for the night with 62 pts.

  83. Revenge of Stoneburner January 24th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    “Jon Shepherd at Camdet Depot analyzed Baseball America’s top 100 prospects rankings from 1990-2006 and found that 70% of them flopped, which seems reasonable. Seven out of ten prospects busting makes sense.”

  84. Against All Odds January 24th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Good point luis it’s all about them having time on their side. A player coming from another team is more than likely 30 or over so he’s already playing in th 2nd half of his career. Obviously it doesn’t mean they won’t produce great yrs but the time to do so it’s as long as someone in their mid 20s.

  85. Against All Odds January 24th, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    T15D23 January 24th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    ————-

    lol

  86. exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Good article about how far TV rights have come in 25 years from where the Yankees began to where the Dodgers are today. How much they pay and don’t pay to revenue sharing. How some teams are hamstrung by bad long term deals.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/201.....llion.html

  87. comet January 24th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    Hey Luis. I read that your economy is in big trouble. Are you heading? Social unrest seems very likely.

    I think Cano talked himself out of being a lifetime Yankee. If he valued playing in NY he would had his rep go back to the Yanks with an offer of 8 years/200 million. He wanted the money and really who can blame him? Not me!

  88. Ys Guy January 24th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    I really don’t like the way YES presents baseball and the Yankees, I don’t like the announcers and I don’t like how they ignore non yankees baseball.
    So if Fox ownership means changes at YES, it’s fine with me.

  89. NYY fan in NH January 24th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Congrats to Melo tonight… Isanely great game. 62 and 13. He’s done his part with that team this year!

  90. comet January 24th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Hello, Hello???? Anyone there? This is Arctic Command!

  91. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    There no telling when the next icon will come along but he will.

    It has always been that way and it always will.

    ;)

  92. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    exiledintampa January 24th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    “Good article about how far TV rights have come in 25 years from where the Yankees began to where the Dodgers are today.”

    Thanks for the link. Interesting that the Yankees TV deal in 1988 paid them 45 million a year, and they get 85 million a year now (with a 4% per year escalator) which is subject to 34% revenue sharing, so only about 50 million net. Obviously, they get 20% of the profits from YES which could be another 40+ million free of revenue sharing, unless Fox management reduces those profits with their bloat.

    The Dodgers are getting an average of 240 million after revenue sharing. However, that’s an average over 25 years, the early years likely are paying out only half of that as they also have a 4% escalator, so they won’t hit the “average” number for over a decade. Of course, their ticket prices are only 1/2 that of the Yankees.

  93. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Night crew take it away.

    ;)

  94. Jerkface January 24th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Just a note on the revenue sharing, every team kicks in the 30% but then they get paid out of it so in the end the Yankees end up only ‘sharing’ 25-27% of their revenues. So its not too bad. They got paid big time with this YES deal and their stake hasn’t really decreased that much AND they got a decent TV deal out of it, so its a pretty big win for them.

    They have always had undervalued TV contracts to hide the revenue from MLB.

  95. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    “Captain Phillips” was excellent but I hope they don’t ever let a ship go out in those type of waters
    unarmed and unable to defend itself.

    Those pirates never should have made it aboard.

    ;)

  96. pete2 January 24th, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Actually, the Yankees have a 5% escalator not 4% per this article

    “Yankees (renew YES Network agreement for 30 years that sees 5% annual fee escalation. That means by 2042 pulling in $367 million in rights fees annually”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ma.....snt-crazy/

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 24th, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Wave, after Tanaka was signed I decided to put my prediction in. And then it just took off from there. But people have until first pitch of Opening Day to get a prediction in, and even if you put one in now, you can change it as many times as you want up to first pitch.

    I decided to have another award, the Perspicacity Prediction award, and that goes to the person who guesses the correct number of games first. That’s why you see the dates near everyone’s names. That person gets a double prize for being brave enough to boldly go where no man has gone before! But everyone who gets the right number, even if it’s put in on Opening Day, wins.

    If someone puts in a prediction and changes her or his mind, say, three times, you’ll only see one date there, and it will be the most recent.

  98. comet January 24th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    pete2 who knows in forty years that may be a bargain or a huge weight around Fox’s neck. Things change a lot in thirty years.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 24th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Always double check my numbers.

    ___________________________

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Tomingeorgia 94
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/23 Chicken_stanley 95
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    1/24 Pkyankfan69 69
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/24 RayVt 108
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92

  100. comet January 24th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Trisha is it cold and and snowy where you are? Wind over 50 mph here all day.

  101. Blojaldo January 24th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    2014 prediction. 97

  102. MTU January 24th, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    In the middle of Dec. we had 2 weeks of record breaking cold.

    We broke at least one 100 year old record.

    See you all for the Breakfast club.

    Looking forward to the next set of news.

    :)

  103. mortl January 24th, 2014 at 11:06 pm

    umm whats this prediction chart? I might want to join – someone fill me in

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 24th, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    Comet, we had a snow storm Wednesday and we’re due for some tomorrow and I believe Monday, but nothing serious. It has been horribly cold here. Right now it’s 14 degrees, but with the wind chill it feels like 6 degrees. Our wind is only gusting at 10-20 mph.

    What the heck is your temperature with those kinds of winds???

  105. Wave Your Hat January 24th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    trisha-

    Thanks. I’m going to wait a bit. After they signed Tanaka I would have guessed 162 but I suspect enthusiasm may be causing me to overestimate by a couple of games. Best not to guess while excited.

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 24th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    We predict how many regular season wins the Yankees will have in 2014. Everyone who guesses correctly gets 5 Ritter Sports Bars. Whoever guesses correctly and guesses first (people can duplicate each other’s predictions) gets 10 Ritter Sports Bars for stepping up to the plate and getting it done!

    You can add/change your prediction up to the first pitch of Opening Day.

  107. comet January 24th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    Hi Trisha much the same as yours. Saw high schoold kids today walking home with coats open and no gloves. WOW!! Wind chill is easily below ZERO.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 24th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    “Thanks. I’m going to wait a bit. After they signed Tanaka I would have guessed 162 but I suspect enthusiasm may be causing me to overestimate by a couple of games. Best not to guess while excited.”

    :lol:

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 24th, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    Comet, our high today was 18.

  110. comet January 24th, 2014 at 11:44 pm

    I think ours was about 10 Trisha. Good Night all.

  111. UpState January 25th, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Didn’t want anyone to forget :

    #18 Duke ————— 67
    ……..Miami (Fla.)——- 46

  112. bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 1:13 am

    luis January 24th, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Cano is already the greatest Yankee 2B ever, so he is iconic in his own right… But the Yankees FO made sure that he won’t be one of the Yankees all time great as he surely would have been…

    Cano made sure he didn’t remain a Yankee, not the FO. 7/175 is a good, reasonable offer, Cano decided to leave for more money, obviously getting the biggest contract was what it was all about. Can’t blame the Yankees for not wanting to pay another guy through age 41.

    Not a Yankee icon, he needed to stick around for that.

  113. Jerkface January 25th, 2014 at 2:27 am

    Cano made sure he didn’t remain a Yankee, not the FO. 7/175 is a good, reasonable offer

    7/175 was a nice below market value offer from which they did not budge. They made above market offers to everyone else. I really don’t like discussing Cano anymore but its pretty clear the Yankees didn’t want him that badly. Its like if they were the Dodgers going after Tanaka. The Dodgers liked Tanaka enough to bid 6/120, but didn’t like him enough to bid what it took to sign him.

    Cano fell into that category for the Yankees.

  114. bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 4:43 am

    I think they just don’t want to pay old guys lots of money anymore. Beltran is not in the same category because his salary is a lot less than 25 mil, the contract is only 3 years and he has performed well up until the present. You sign Cano to 10 years and you could possibly end up with a bad contract for the last 4 or 5 years.

  115. Melkmanisinhotlanta January 25th, 2014 at 5:01 am

    Trisha,

    95 Yankee victoriesfor 2014.

    Thanks.

  116. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 6:28 am

    We won’t really know the story about the Cano negotiations until someone spills the beans. I understand not wanting to go 10 years on Cano, but their hard stance was a bit perplexing.

    Reading Dan Szmborski’s twitter account yesterday, he doesn’t like the Yankees much at all for next season. Like, 4th or last in the division.

    I’m not exactly crunching the WAR numbers here, but I don’t see how the Red Sox or Rays are significantly better. Maybe as a fan I’m downplaying the risk, which there definitely is. Tex could totally fall apart, CC could continue to decline, Nova could take a turn for the worse, the bullpen could be in shambles, Beltran could continue declining, Jeter could never take the field, Roberts could injure himself, and any number of other problems. The worst case scenario is pretty ugly. Still. Don’t like any other team that much more.

  117. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 6:35 am

    And I’ll hold off on the 2014 win predictions until the roster is set. Things are still bound to change ;)

  118. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 7:13 am

    here’s what dan symborsky’s pick is worth:

    2013 Predictions:

    Dan Szymborski,
    ESPN Insider East champ: Blue Jays
    Central champ: Tigers
    West champ: Angels
    Wild cards: Rangers, Rays
    Champion: Angels

  119. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:19 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 3m
    If season started today, picks from here would be: WAS, ATL, STL, LAD, SD as playoff teams in NL, TB, BOS, NYY, DET, OAK in AL. Your picks?

  120. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:20 am

    Ys Guy,

    To be fair, no one who wasn’t a homer was picking the Red Sox to win the World Series.

  121. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:24 am

    “Reading Dan Szmborski’s twitter account yesterday, he doesn’t like the Yankees much at all for next season. Like, 4th or last in the division.”

    This is good news actually because he doesn’t know much

  122. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 7:25 am

    hey, szymborski got one right!

  123. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:25 am

    I think the yanks are close to being good enough to win the division…..I want to see how they finish their roster. Right now Id probbaly have them as a WC team…..if they add a couple more pieces they need I could see them winning the east.

  124. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    here’s a great szymborski prediction:

    “2012 projection: Montero will out-homer A-Rod”

  125. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 7:32 am

    gotta give him some credit there even though arod did beat him 18/13

  126. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:37 am

    Yeah Blake, plus the roster will evolve throughout the season. We’ll see what happens. Maybe Jose Ramirez or Tyler Austin/a position player can contribute and make an impact.

  127. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:40 am

    Szymborski is one of these guys that bases everything of statistical projections…..it’s fine but as we can see it’s not always all that accurate because the games are played by humans in a field and not in a computer program with fixed values for the players. In general one of the best was to predict a division is to rank the pitching staffs…..the final results many times will follow that.

    I think the yanks are right there with Boston and Tampa pitching wise now if CC bounces back…..I actually think it might be better than Boston given that I think it’s unlikely Lackey repeats his 2013 and Bucholtz has such health concerns

  128. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:43 am

    they need help in BP….

  129. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:19 am
    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 3m
    If season started today, picks from here would be: WAS, ATL, STL, LAD, SD as playoff teams in NL, TB, BOS, NYY, DET, OAK in AL. Your picks?
    ————————————————————————————-
    SD is a pick ?

  130. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:43 am
    they need help in BP….
    ———–

    Monty, Ramirez, Warren, Phelps… one of these guys might be able to take on a bigger role in the pen.

  131. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:46 am

    joeman says:
    January 25, 2014 at 7:43 am
    they need help in BP….

    Agreed….I think they will address it either by signing a flyer guy like hanranhan or perhaps trying to trade Ichiro as others have suggested. I think tr should have signed Balfour…..but it’s possible they didn’t trust his fly ball tendencies to translate well to YS…..at least not for the money.

  132. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:46 am

    joeman,

    Seems like a stretch, right? I guess I don’t know enough about the Reds or Giants this offseason to say if they are better. San Diego have some good young players.

  133. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:48 am

    RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 6:35 am
    And I’ll hold off on the 2014 win predictions until the roster is set. Things are still bound to change ;)
    ———————————————
    same here but unless it’s another major move my pick will stay in the 80′s

  134. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:46 am
    joeman,

    Seems like a stretch, right? I guess I don’t know enough about the Reds or Giants this offseason to say if they are better. San Diego have some good young players.
    —————————–
    crazy pick

  135. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    SD isn’t making the playoffs….Id be shocked. The Dodgers are way better….the Giants are better…..the Dbacks are better…..just Buster trying to be different

  136. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Have we started taking bets on when the Mariners trade Cano?

    I’ll take… 2017.

  137. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    The Rays could wake up tomorrow and trade Price and that would shift the balance significantly in the east …..a lot could still happen

  138. blake January 25th, 2014 at 7:53 am

    RadioKev says:
    January 25, 2014 at 7:50 am
    Have we started taking bets on when the Mariners trade Cano?

    I think 3 years…..that contract will be a disaster for them. The Yankees or Dodgers could absorb it if it went south…..the Mariners are most likely to either have to try to trade it or worse just keep him and spend less money elsewhere. They have to try and win a title in the next 3-4 years…..

  139. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:54 am

    lets not forget about the Braves

  140. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:54 am

    Cano’s contract could be a bigger disaster than A-Rod’s in Texas. At least A-Rod was an MVP.

  141. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    I think the Rays have decided to go for it at this point. If things go south by the trade deadline, maybe they deal Price, but their recent trades/signings suggest they’re going to compete. And they should. They’re right up ther as favorites in the division.

  142. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    I might put Tex in instead of Oak

  143. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 7:57 am

    I don’t like talking about Cano because he’s gone ..but do you ever think he’ll ever get a 30/100 year

  144. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the Rays won the AL..E

  145. blake January 25th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    joeman says:
    January 25, 2014 at 7:57 am
    I don’t like talking about Cano because he’s gone ..but do you ever think he’ll ever get a 30/100 year

    Did Jeter? He’s a 2b and homers and RBI aren’t are best ways to evaluate offense

  146. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    blake January 25th, 2014 at 8:03 am
    joeman says:
    January 25, 2014 at 7:57 am
    I don’t like talking about Cano because he’s gone ..but do you ever think he’ll ever get a 30/100 year

    Did Jeter? He’s a 2b and homers and RBI aren’t are best ways to evaluate offense
    —————————–
    Cano is suppose to be a power hitter Jeter isn’t

  147. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:06 am

    Its way too early to start making predictions about who is going to win what.

    Put a gun to my head though on Jan 25th then I say the Yankees are an 89 win team and
    TB is winning the division. Before Tanaka they were an 85 win team.

    If NY beefs up its IF and BP before the start of the season that will sway my level of optimism.

    If TB trades Price they will simply manufacture another standout pitcher and in the meantime add a hitter that will give them much more balance.

    Aside from STL, TB is the best run organization in the game.

  148. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:07 am

    I will enjoy not seeing Cano taking that righthand turn to the dugout half way to 1st base on a ground-out or flyout

  149. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    reason on why no pick yet is because of the BP…that needs work

  150. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    I think Cano will thrive as a hitter in Safeco. The park’s dimensions will lead to him becoming less homer happy and more of a doubles machine that he used to be before YS and Kevin Long got a hold of him to think HR first.

    SEA is going to be better than a lot of people think, they have an excellent #1-2, a good BP and a young positinal core. They are not a garbage team.

    The problem for SEA is TEX and OAK are still much better. So they will be treading water for a while.

  151. blake January 25th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Cano is suppose to be a power hitter Jeter isn’t”

    No both high average overall good hitters

  152. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    i think the yankees will be fine if they go with the BP they have now. i’d rather they pick up one guy with some set-up/closer experience, but if they don’t i think they’ll be fine.

  153. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    yankee21,

    You know that Robinson Cano hit more equal or more doubles 2009-2013, compared to 2005-2008? And that his OPS is higher every season from 2009-2013 than any of his full seasons from 2005-2008?

  154. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:20 am

    Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 8:18 am
    i think the yankees will be fine if they go with the BP they have now. i’d rather they pick up one guy with some set-up/closer experience, but if they don’t i think they’ll be fine.
    —————————–
    that would be a vg move for them

  155. pkyankfan69 January 25th, 2014 at 8:22 am

    I’m pretty surprised the Yankees haven’t added a back end arm or 2 (I don’t really consider Thornton as that.)… Either a move is coming or they are very confident in a few guys stepping up big time from the Claiborne, Betances, Warren, Montgomery, Whitley, etc… Maybe even have plans to move Jose Ramirez to the BP… Shawn Kelley was pretty dominant for a good portion of the year last year but he should not be the #2 guy in a Yankee BP.

  156. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Radio Kev, I didn’t realize the facts as you just stated them. My miss.

    My point I was trying to make was Cano will be a more balanced hitter going the other way in Safeco like he used to do.

    I bet in 2014 Cano hits .320/22/104 type figures, with 45 doubles.

  157. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:26 am

    I wouldn’t trust anyone as a 8th inning guy except DRob of the group they have now…Balfour should had been their next move…2/14

  158. blake January 25th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    I bet in 2014 Cano hits .320/22/104 type figures, with 45 doubles.”

    Agreed….I think he will be just as good short term. Beyond 2 or 3 years it’ll depend on how he adjusts to losing bat speed…..some guys adjust….some guys don’t

  159. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    The Yankees making Robertson the defacto closer is an ok proposition. He’s earned the right.

    But I am not comfortable with anyone on that staff taking the fireman/8th inning role that Robertson excelled in over the last few years.

    The Yankees need to make a move to fill that slot.

    They also need to make a move to beef up their IF which is full of risk at every position and as others have said coupled with very little upside.

    I’m still on board with either Baker or Drew.

  160. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    I think Cano will be great over the next 2-3 years, average to good for a couple years, then the fall off begins and SEA will be left with a 27 mil question mark.

  161. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Balfour and Drew would have been nice

  162. Doreen January 25th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    No. Cano likes hitting HRs. He is not merely a product of Kevin Long. Well before he started hitting more HRs in games, Cano liked to display his power in BP. The media always made a point of talking about it. Cano wanted to be in the HR derby a year before he on it, but a slight injury had the Yankeesctprequesting that he not participate. Cano knew the money and fame were for HR hitters, not doubles hitters.

    That being said, I think he has very much continued to hit enough doubles along with the HRs. Cano s a really, really good hitter.

  163. pkyankfan69 January 25th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Drob – Kelley – Thornton – Claiborne – Betances – Montgomery – Phelps/Warren

    Could be good but yikes that is scary too.

    Maybe they secretly know Mo is coming back?

  164. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Campos is a very good hitter. But he would never have been a Yankee icon. He’s a show boater who doesn’t run to first. Glad he won’t be here for 10 years setting such a poor example to the younger guys.

  165. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Cano :) not campos

  166. RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    I kind of loved that Drew screwed himself by turning down the QO. He was not worth $14.1m AAV. Now he’s just hanging out in the market, hoping he doesn’t have to take less from the Red Sox.

  167. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Doreen, I agree Cano is a really, really good hitter. No question, one of the 5 best overall in the game.

    I still think too that Kevin Long did not help Cano become the best he could be either by putting in his ear and in the media that Cano could hit 40 HR.

    I may be in a minority but I stick to that view.

  168. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    RadioKev January 25th, 2014 at 8:36 am
    I kind of loved that Drew screwed himself by turning down the QO. He was not worth $14.1m AAV. Now he’s just hanging out in the market, hoping he doesn’t have to take less from the Red Sox.
    ———————————————-
    got himself in a box because the Sox don’t need him…but he will get a nice deal somewhere

  169. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 8:38 am
    Doreen, I agree Cano is a really, really good hitter. No question, one of the 5 best overall in the game.
    ————————————————
    that I don’t believe is true

  170. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 8:48 am

    so you dont trust anyone but drob with the 8th inning but you dont trust him to close?!?

    give OUR man a chance, he’s gonna be fine!

    i just want depth and someone who’s been in late innings primarily to be the set-up guy for drob.

  171. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 8:48 am

    Wow Bill James ranks Gardner as the 4th best outfielder – on mlb network

  172. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 8:48 am
    so you dont trust anyone but drob with the 8th inning but you dont trust him to close?!?

    give OUR man a chance, he’s gonna be fine!

    i just want depth and someone who’s been in late innings primarily to be the set-up guy for drob.
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    just for ha’s..ha’s he can’t do the job

  173. blake January 25th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Poetkiosk says:
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    LFer I think….not overall ofer. Saber guys love his defense…..and his OPS isn’t bad either. The total package is a good player

  174. blake January 25th, 2014 at 8:56 am

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  175. pkyankfan69 January 25th, 2014 at 9:01 am

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