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Big personalities always come to the forefront

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Back when I was covering minor league ball in Scranton, I remember a player telling me that he was getting off Twitter because every time he tried to have fun with it — post something goofy, write anything that actually hinted at his true personality — he’d get attacked for one thing or another. Either he was labeled as immature, or accused of not focusing on baseball, or generally slammed by someone who just liked the idea of ripping a pro athlete who wasn’t a superstar.

The lesson, I guess, is the same for all of us: Social media is a sometimes bizarre world, especially for those who are unfamiliar with just how far it can reach and the impact it can have. For the current Yankees, I can’t help but think of Alex Rodriguez’s now infamous tweet saying that a doctor had cleared him to play in games, which set off Brian Cashman, who declared that Rodriguez needed to “shut the f—- up.”

If it weren’t such a tense situation to begin with, Rodriguez’s tweet might have been seen as innocent excitement. Instead, Rodriguez was seen as basically contradicting the Yankees own public statements — and perhaps going over the heads of the Yankees medical staff — which lit a fuse that was already far too short. Next thing you know: Kaboom!

This morning Christian brought the idea social media into a another short-fuse environment: The Bronx Zoo Yankees, who seemed to have little problem getting their messages into the public even without a 140-character platform.

So does the existence of Twitter — and non-stop sports radio, and instant-access information on the internet — make the situation more toxic or less toxic? My guess is it’s not better or worse, it’s just — like everything else — different.

One way or another, players who want to make their feelings known, are going to make their feelings known. Some have big personalities that require constant commentary, and some retreat from the day-to-day attention and are happy to operate in the background. Some grant interviews only when they feel its necessary, some speak any time they’re asked, some pass along information anonymously, and some hide in the trainer’s room while the press is in the clubhouse. Some are outspoken on Twitter, some use it only to promote their charities, and some act as if Twitter doesn’t exist.

It’s the same as it’s always been, just presented in a different format. Big personalities always find their way to the forefront, and otherwise innocent comments have always had the potential for stunning consequences. It’s a different world now, not necessarily different players.

But Twitter in the 70s would have been a sight to see (and not only because of the baseball players).

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163 Responses to “Big personalities always come to the forefront”

  1. Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
    Doing well. Looking forward to ST and just having some baseball back!!

    —————–

    So am I. The off season feels like it gets longer every yr but we’re already in late January. I’m excited to see Tanaka.

    ****

    Same here. If Tanaka starts one of the first three games in Houston to begin the year – i might go see him pitch in person!!!

  2. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Reporting:
    It’s sad – for those of us who know what has been lost. The rest, as they say “won’t miss him”, because you don’t miss what you never knew was there.

    Alfred, “for never was a story of more woe, then the Yankees and their Cano.” I mean this in terms of Yankee history where I cannot recount the Yankees letting such a great player leave or be traded away. Someone please refresh my mind!

  3. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    The problem is, an 18 yo. kid like Mason Williams can, and will tweet a thought off the top of their head in their more private moments of foolish thoughts. At one in the morning. The kind 18 yo’s have at that hour. Not when he’s showered and shaved in his public persona. You hear him say stuff you wouldn’t have heard in the past.

  4. austinmac January 25th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Stoneburner,

    I have that same thought of going to Houston.

  5. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
    Doing well. Looking forward to ST and just having some baseball back!!

    —————–

    So am I. The off season feels like it gets longer every yr but we’re already in late January. I’m excited to see Tanaka.

    ****

    Same here. If Tanaka starts one of the first three games in Houston to begin the year – i might go see him pitch in person!!!

    ————

    If you do go enjoy your time at the game.

  6. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Nice summary and wrap-up Chad. And good post and shout out again to Christian.

    Have a nice day everyone.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    “As for using and lying…I believe a majority of players if confronted would do the same thing. In fact how many have come out and admitted like Alex did?”

    Many have come out and admitted.

    Lying isn’t something to be lauded.

  8. Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    Just an observation. It seems as if part of the culture here is demeaning Michael Kay and Brian Cashman on a daily basis. I can’t help but notice that both are incredibly successful and hold the most prestigious jobs one can have in sports within their chosen professions. Cashman being the General Manager of the most hallowed sports franchise in history and Michael Kay being the lead broadcaster for that same franchise. Of course it’s cool to criticize . . . I’m just sayin’.

  9. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Cashman cheated on his wife with a stalker. She kicked him out. He’s not even a good person, let alone a good GM.

    Kay is a bloated egomaniac that thinks fans care about his every thought. We don’t. He is not the worst in the game at what he does, but he’s near the bottom.

  10. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    The POTUS has the most prestigious job in his chosen profession and I can sure find fault and deception with how he does his job. I can damn well find fault and deception with how a sports franchise, or a freakin mouth piece does his.

  11. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    “Many have come out and admitted.
    Lying isn’t something to be lauded.”

    How many who have come out, have used again? we don’t know do we… I know what my guess is and its above 0.

    And who has lauded Alex for lying?

    But also lying when it comes to PED use also shouldn’t mean burning at the stake or wishing bad things on that person either.

    If I did something to improve myself at my profession and got caught, and did it again because…. well everyone else is doing it, I would expect to get the same punishment that everyone else got.

    That is not what happened.

    Have to run

  12. Yankeeclipper January 25th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Positions as of today

    C: McCann and back up from Cervelli, Romaine or Murphy
    1B: Teixeria, Johnson or Sizemore
    2b: Roberts, Johnson, Nunez, Sizemore
    SS: Jeter, Ryan, Nunez
    3B: Johnson, Nunez
    LF: Gardner, Soriano, Ichiro
    CF: Ellsbury,Gardner
    RF: Beltran, Ichiro, Soriano, Almonte
    DH: Soriano and rotation of most of rest of roster.
    SP: CC
    SP: Kuroda
    SP: Tanaka
    SP: Nova
    SP: Phelps, Pineda, Warren, Nuno

    RP: Phelps, Warren or Nuno
    RP: Betances or Cabral
    RP: Thornton
    RP: Claiborne
    RP: Kelley
    CL: Robertson

    Yanks need to add arm to back end of pen. I think we need better bridge and depth at back end. Hard to know what we have with Betances, Cabral, Claiborne and Kelley. They all have plus arms but other than Kelley the rest have limited experience. Claiborne did well last year but was roughed up at end of year – probably due to over use.

    As for infield, I think the Yanks need insurance and probably an upgrade. Drew is most obvious option and he can rotate between: 3B, 2B and play some SS. He gives us plus bat from left side.

    Alternative would be for Yanks to package prospects for top prospect talent from Seattle (Franklin or Ackely) or SS talent from AZ.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    And I was speaking for those who no longer have time or respect for Arod.

    You’re right my feelings went beyond extremely negative. That’s because on top of being a non-stop user, Arod is an egotistical cheat on and off the field, a pathological liar, and a distraction and a general discredit to the Yankees and to the game of baseball. His use of doctors such as Galeano and Gross, and then his suing everyone in sight to deflect from his fraud and chicanery, causes me to hope I never see him again in the game, let alone in pinstripes.

    You already know how I feel about Selig, so I can only hope he gets his sooner or later. That takes nothing away from how Arod has defrauded the game, probably for a lot longer than we know, but certainly for as long as we know. And lied about it.

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Alfred, “for never was a story of more woe, then the Yankees and their Cano.” I mean this in terms of Yankee history where I cannot recount the Yankees letting such a great player leave or be traded away. Someone please refresh my mind!
    ////

    For a player who was already in achievement vs. mere potential mode, I can’t think of anyone, but you go back a lot further than I do :)

    Losing McGriff sucked, but he wasn’t quite McGriff yet ;) .

    And he wasn’t a GG 2B, either.

    Robi’s a 2B who OPS’s more like a 1B.

  15. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    “The POTUS has the most prestigious job in his chosen profession and I can sure find fault and deception with how he does his job. I can damn well find fault and deception with how a sports franchise, or a freakin mouth piece does his.”

    Damn Exile that was good. You have motivated me for many more posts on Cashman!

    (A collective sigh was heard over lohud land. :D )

  16. MTU January 25th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    “writes FOX Sports’ Jon Morosi. Kuroda, in particular, could be especially helpful as Tanaka adapts to U.S. baseball.”

    Really !

    No sh*t ! Ya’ think so ?

    :)

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    “If I did something to improve myself at my profession and got caught, and did it again because…. well everyone else is doing it, I would expect to get the same punishment that everyone else got.”

    I would hope that you would never try to “improve yourself at your profession” by knowingly cheating.

    Arod is a case of one.

    “That is not what happened.”

    Because nobody else has his history – that we know about – including trying to shut down an investigation against him.

    I can only imagine what we don’t know about. But thankfully there’s enough to keep him far away from the game.

  18. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Tar – that kind of reverence is freakin troubling. Didn’t Cash inquire about Youk this year? Troubling!

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Poet, he may not be the worst, but his combination of shrillness and his lack of baseball knowledge is very hard to take.

    He’s fine on his studio interview show, and he is good at getting guys like Cone to talk.

    The problem occurs when he’s doing the talking. Singleton is too mild to be paired alone with Kay.

    Singleton has way more to give than what the viewer gets, but he isn’t as loquacious as Cone, O’Neill, Flaherty, Leiter.

    Instead of letting the game of baseball breathe, if the “expert” isn’t speaking, Kay doesn’t have the good sense to shut up.

    When we won the World Series in 1996, the radio guy that day was Scully.

    A friend of mine recorded it – I still have it somewhere – and what you heard was just the sound of the Bronx: a sound held in for 18 years.

    Scully let it resound,……. finally adding his pithy: “Well, that says it all, doesn’t it?”

    That’s what good announcers with “feel” for the game, do.

    This is the Yankees: they can do better than Kay.

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    See ya later Tar. Have a good afternoon.

    :)

  21. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Ryan Braun is arguably worse. He lied and someone got fired because of it. Like someone lost their job.

    But let’s not spend our time talking about how low people go – I don’t know Arod as a person. I hold intense personal feelings for people actually in my life, not people I watch on tv.

  22. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    Take care

  23. joeman January 25th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    will CC dumping more weight hurt or help him

  24. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Babe Ruth came to the Yankees in his prime and left at the end of his playing days. I ask this question once again, has there ever been a player of such stature in his prime as Cano that the Yankees have let get away? This was never the Yankee way.

  25. Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    No General Manager is perfect and doing that job in New York while working for the Steinbrenner family under the ever present microscope of the New York media and toughest fans in baseball is not easy. He has made mistakes, who doesn’t?

    I like judging someone’s performance on results, his personal llfe is not my business. During Cashman’s tenure with the Yankees as Assistant General Manager and General Manager, the Yankees have won seven American League pennants and five World Series championships. What other General Manager can say that? I’m glad he is here, I think he has done a great job all things considered.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Agree, Hank.

    Here come da snow!

    Stay warm and safe, folks

  27. austinmac January 25th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    I can’t wait to hear baseball on the field stuff. How does Pineda look? What about Betances? Etc.

    Last year I was pessimistic. Now, I m optimistic despite having some needs.

  28. mick January 25th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Sure it does which is why when they approached him in ST of 2013 with the idea of extending it didn’t happen because they missed the opportunity to do.
    ====================
    Do we know what the deals were?
    Maybe both sides couldn’t agree.

  29. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    That’s a very differant arguement than whether they deserve being criticized. I don’t always disagree with Cashman but I see alot I find troubling. And I will speak out about it. Not everything is ” Bengazi ” but their have been some whoppers in Cashman’s time.

  30. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    mick January 25th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
    Sure it does which is why when they approached him in ST of 2013 with the idea of extending it didn’t happen because they missed the opportunity to do.
    ====================
    Do we know what the deals were?
    Maybe both sides couldn’t agree.

    ———————

    Maybe they couldn’t agree

  31. Howler January 25th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    Perhaps the Yankees just decided the “Way,” wouldn’t be to give out ten year contracts to players who are going to be in decline in the second half of it.

  32. Howler January 25th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    or was the Yankee Way…resigning players like Arod?

  33. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    You could argue, quite easily that the Yankees success has been in spite of Cashman. I don’t see how you look at the vast majority of his decisions and see them as good ones.

    As for his personal life, sorry when you are a public figure your personal life is relevant. Also, the way a man treats his wife is a good perspective on his character. His character effects his professional decisions and as we see just like in his personal life many of those decisions have been a disaster.

  34. Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
    That’s a very differant arguement than whether they deserve being criticized. I don’t always disagree with Cashman but I see alot I find troubling. And I will speak out about it. Not everything is ” Bengazi ” but their have been some whoppers in Cashman’s time.
    ______________________

    Isn’t a General Manager judged by winning and by doing the job his bosses want him to do?

  35. mick January 25th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Maybe they couldn’t agree
    ================
    Exactly.
    So how could anyone say it is the Yankees fault?

  36. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    No a gm is judged on how successfully they build a team. Gene Michals built the version that won 4 rings. Cash built the version that has us winning one WS in over a decade while our rivals won 3

  37. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
    exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
    That’s a very differant arguement than whether they deserve being criticized. I don’t always disagree with Cashman but I see alot I find troubling. And I will speak out about it. Not everything is ” Bengazi ” but their have been some whoppers in Cashman’s time.
    ______________________

    Isn’t a General Manager judged by winning and by doing the job his bosses want him to do?

    I think how cost effective and how you are viewed and behave in public is fair game too in judging a GM. Don’t you? Cash has been embarassing both professionally and in has private life. Quotes above both vulgar and personal from the face off the front office is fair game. Don’t you think? I think embarassment’s like wasting 12M on Youk are judgeble offenses how is that doing a good job?

  38. Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    austinmac January 25th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    Stoneburner,

    I have that same thought of going to Houston.

    *****

    Yeah, I am about 3 and a half hours away. My wife and i are thinking about it – hopefully joe g gives us enough clarity/advance warning when Tanaka will make his debut!!

  39. Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    I know some have speculated about Ubaldo – he is still out there – could he fall into the Yanks lap like Lohse did for the Brewers last year:

    If Ubaldo Jimenez can’t get the three- or four-year contract he seeks elsewhere, it’s possible he could return to the Indians for one year and $14MM or less, Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer writes. Such a scenario might sound unlikely, but Jimenez will cause the team that signs him to lose a draft pick, and Matt Garza, who didn’t require the loss of a draft pick, will reportedly only get four years at an average of $13MM per season from the Brewers. (That deal does not yet seem to be complete, however.)

  40. Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner January 25th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
    austinmac January 25th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    Stoneburner,

    I have that same thought of going to Houston.

    *****

    Yeah, I am about 3 and a half hours away. My wife and i are thinking about it – hopefully joe g gives us enough clarity/advance warning when Tanaka will make his debut!!

    *****

    one other thing – if you do end up going – e-mail me – maybe my wife and i can meet up with you before the game for some yankees solidarity

  41. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Michael Wolf?@CoachMikeWolf
    “Good players want to be coached. Great players want to be told the truth.”
    -Doc Rivers

  42. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    mick January 25th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
    Maybe they couldn’t agree
    ================
    Exactly.
    So how could anyone say it is the Yankees fault?

    —————————-

    Because the Yankees to a hard stance yrs ago when he wanted to extend. The baseball landscape is changing and they have to adjust. What happens when the next kid from the farm comes up, develops into a good player, and wants to extend long term.

  43. Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
    No a gm is judged on how successfully they build a team. Gene Michals built the version that won 4 rings. Cash built the version that has us winning one WS in over a decade while our rivals won 3.
    ___________________

    That’s a somewhat fair perspective. But Billy Beane, Jon Daniels and Dave Dombrowski have built good teams, how often have they won? Cashman’s Yankee teams have made 14 postseason appearances in 16 years.

  44. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    “for never was a story of more woe, then the Yankees and their Cano.”

    When he asked for ten years and 240 the Bombers said don’t let your ass get hit by the doe.

  45. bardos January 25th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Have been reading the last thread in which the main topic was Robinson Cano… I do not watch Yankee games, I live in Spain… but I do tend to watch the highlights the day after on MLB.com… One thing I couldn’t help but notice on the highlights was the very close friendship between Cano and A-Rod….

    Cano would hit a bomb and Alex would be first out of the dugout (really, the first, waving his arms and with a big smile) to greet and hug Cano, with both of them making facial expressions showing an evident closeness, a deep friendship. The same would hold true for an Alex home-run.

    So it remains a possibility that the Yankees were not excited about Cano for his close ties to Alex and what that might mean.

  46. Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
    I think how cost effective and how you are viewed and behave in public is fair game too in judging a GM. Don’t you? Cash has been embarassing both professionally and in has private life. Quotes above both vulgar and personal from the face off the front office is fair game. Don’t you think? I think embarassment’s like wasting 12M on Youk are judgeble offenses how is that doing a good job?
    ____________________

    Hindsight is 20-20. I recall people said the same thing about Bartolo Colon. And I do not care or judge anyone by what they do in their private life within reason.

  47. blake January 25th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    “So it remains a possibility that the Yankees were not excited about Cano for his close ties to Alex and what that might mean.”

    I doubt this was the main reason they parted ways but I think it would be naive to assume that it didn’t possibly play some part in it

  48. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    bardos,

    Enough said. I agree.

  49. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    It didn’t take hindsight to see Youk was a bad signing and a hugh overpay. Many here including myself said so from the get go. But the point you’re missing is, that being the public face of the biggest public sports franchise in the world means that much of your dirty laundry and bad decisions are aired in public. How you behave in that position is magnified. Cash has been a big douche at times. And a very poor chooser of talent and how to spend money.

  50. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    Howler January 25th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
    or was the Yankee Way…resigning players like Arod?

    The Yankee way was never letting players like Cano leave in their prime coupled with signing players like The Babe or Reggie in their prime. There has to be a reason why throughout all these years, the Yankees have so many championship rings, and that is their endeavor always trying to field an all star team. Before the taint of the steroid scandal took hold on A-Rod, he with Jeter and Cano may have been recorded as the three best players in baseball history ever to play together in the infield. Reaching for the best has always been the Yankee way, ten year contract or not.

  51. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    Cano would hit a bomb and Alex would be first out of the dugout (really, the first, waving his arms and with a big smile) to greet and hug Cano, with both of them making facial expressions showing an evident closeness, a deep friendship

    —————–

    True but that is how Alex is in general. He kinda over does it when his teammates hit a home run or come up with a big hit. I remember one time yrs ago a teammate(I forgot who it was) hit one out A-rod hugged him twice, patted him on the back, and smacked him on the butt.

  52. blake January 25th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    I think Cano’s ties to Arod certainly played some part in the yanks feelings about him…..how much? Who knows?

  53. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    That summer league team offering Alex $5,000 and free coffee and donuts to coach has the right idea. Even if it is a little funny.

    Alex would be a great hitting coach.

  54. Howler January 25th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Pulling Ruth into the conversation has no meaning because the players were controlled by management until their fingers withered on the bat…you can really only talk about the FA era when it comes to letting players go as far as history is concerned.
    As far as that goes, they really haven’t had that many players worth letting get away…although they did let Reggie walk, and he was only a few years older than Cano, and that wasn’t for a ten year contract.
    These are different times…they’ve learned their lesson from the mistakes with Arod..do they want to see money being spent on what could turn out to be someone continually hurt, or avg…when it could go to a player like Trout or Stanton…That…is the New Yankee Way…

  55. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    CC , Jeter and Teix are the only real contributors left from the 2009 team. It leaves me worried that so much is riding on them having a comeback year to be successful.

  56. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    “for never was a story of more woe, then the Yankees and their Cano.”

    When he asked for ten years and 240 the Bombers said don’t let your ass get hit by the doe.

    For never was a story of more woe, then the Yankees and their Cano.
    When he asked for ten years and 240 the Bombers said don’t let your ass get hit by the doe.
    For they never thought that he would get that dough.

  57. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    kay does have a prestigious job with the most prestigeous team, but i wouldnt even rank him in the top 5 announcers in NYC. he holds that position because he spouts the company line at all times on YES without variation.

    there are a ton of much better announcers (the mets have several) who would never be able to get Kay’s job simply because they don’t stick to a script handed them by their employers.

  58. mick January 25th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Because the Yankees to a hard stance yrs ago when he wanted to extend.
    ================
    This is going in circles.
    Again. How do we know what the deal was?
    Was it as bad as this one?
    Maybe Cash is right. All Cano cared about was the money.

  59. mick January 25th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Kay is a newspaperman who must work cheap.
    He has about 4-5 different jobs which lowers his status as “Voice” of the Yankees.
    Call it diluted.

    Nobody compares to Mel Allen. He was the Voice of the Yankees and still is.

  60. blake January 25th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    On mlbradio yesterday they asked the question “what in baseball is worse that the Probowl”?

    I said Nunez’s hands

  61. Howler January 25th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Alex’s confession.

  62. blake January 25th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    You couldn’t say anything to do with Arod

  63. Yankeeclipper January 25th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    I believe there is something about Cano that caused the Yanks to not go all out to sign him. Clearly Yanks were never going to offer 10 years for a player who is 31. Yanks might have gone an 8th year if that would have gotten a deal done. However, Robbie was fixated on 10 years and it seemed as though that was his main criteria in making a decision. That made it easy to say no and move in a different direction.

    I also think the Yanks realize that while Robbie is a solid player — he is not one to put fannies in the seats so he does not generate revenues to offset his salary. Matsui, CC, Arod, Jeter put fannies in the seats. Robbie doesn’t generate that level of fan interest.

    I do suspect there is an undercurrent of Yankee brass who wonder if there is more to the Arod/Cano relationship. Steroids is the fear and there have been rumors — although none have been substantiated that Cano may not be clean. Hope that is not true because he has some rare skill sets that made him fun to watch play.

    Lastly, Yanks felt that they needed to invest in other areas and felt that McCann, Tanaka and Ellsbury were higher priorities (who can argue with that logic). It came down to whether Cano would sign for 7/$175 M or perhaps 8/$200 M as compromise and if he wouldn’t then Yanks felt that Beltran at 3/$48 M would be way to compensate for loss of Cano.

    McCann and Tanaka were must haves. I think Ellsbury was looked at as a way to bridge OF needs given ages of Soriano, Ichiro and the now departed Wells. Yank farm system has OF prospects but they are 1-3 years away from showing any impact.

  64. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    the yankees love sterling, he is absolutely 100% behind ownership at all times.
    so when they started YES, they wanted a clone of sterling they knew would toe the line, so they grabbed sterling’s partner, not because he was any good at tv announcing, but because he was a known quantity they knew would not stir the pot.

    good for him that he’s rich and has several great jobs.

    doesnt make him a decent baseball announcer.

  65. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    I’m excited about this team really……I think it’s about a 90 win club currently if they are lucky with health. I think signing Drew and some pen help would take then to that 93-95 range that it’ll take to win the division

  66. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Nobody compares to Mel Allen. He was the Voice of the Yankees and still is.

    Mick, oh for those days of Mel Allen, Red Barber and Russ Hodges. They all started in radio and learned to use their voices to paint a picture what our eyes could not see.

  67. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    So where are all the dominoes that were supposed to fall post Tanaka?
    The 4 big starters are still out there getting their offers lowered or ignored.
    Guys are being signed to MiL contracts all over the place.
    Baker and Drew are sitting with their offers and they diminish every day.

  68. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    I love Sterling and Susie …..they are terrible but I love them anyway. They are like crazy relatives that make you feel at home

  69. Blojaldo January 25th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
    ” . . . .And a very poor chooser of talent and how to spend money.”

    Really? Was Cashman a poor judge of talent when he embraced these players? Mike Musina, Hideki Matsui, Chien-Ming Wang, Bobby Abreu, Johnny Damon, Roger Clemens, Shawn Chacon, David Wells, Jason Giambi, El Duque, Eric Hinske, Bartolo Colon, Jerry Hairston, Gary Sheffield, Tino Martinez, Swisher, Granderson, Sabathia, Teixeira, Granderson, Matsui, McCann, Beltran and Tanaka?

    You win some you lose some and he has made many mistakes as well but to say Cashamn is a poor judge of talent? I don’t think so.

  70. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    How do we know what the deal was?
    Was it as bad as this one?

    -=————-

    We don’t know what the deal was? All we know is he asked to be extended and they said no only to crawl back later and try to extend him. I’m sure it was in the 200 million dollar range.

  71. grouchonyy January 25th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Pettitte was allowed to walk away, even though he came back later.

  72. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    if there is any chance i can get the radio broadcast of the team the yankees are playing i listen to it instead of the yankees terrible radio announcers.

    i at least like someone who is aware that there is another league in mlb.

  73. Yankeeclipper January 25th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    I think a 92 to 95 win season is needed to guarantee a playoff spot. I agree infield and pen are major needs. Yanks need to look at upgrades and not go strictly on the cheap or with reclamation projects. Drew would fix most of infield issues. If not him then perhapst they need to package a few prospects for a young prospect who can play 2B, SS or 3B and project out as a solid player. Franklin, Ackley, Gregarious, Owings, or Chisenhall are the type of players Yanks need to check in on.

  74. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    All we know is he asked to be extended and they said no only to crawl back later and try to extend him.
    ====================
    How can anyone judge the Yanks when they don’t know what the deal was?
    Sounds like a bias to me.

  75. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    I don’t listen to a ton of radio games though….maybe 10 or 15 a season. If I had to listen to them every game it would probbaly wear on me but I always enjoy the few games a year I am driving somewhere and listen

  76. comet January 25th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Those of you who miss Cano , would you rather the Yankees topped the Mariners offer?

  77. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Mick, oh for those days of Mel Allen, Red Barber and Russ Hodges. They all started in radio and learned to use their voices to paint a picture what our eyes could not see.
    ==============
    HankFla

    Those were different days.
    Days younger people will never know.
    So much less schtick and more honest re-creation of the game.
    Today it’s all about self promotion or selling a product.

  78. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    You didn’t mention one guy that came up through the farm system that Cash put together. not one. Look at the use of money there. I could have done most of what he did givin his resourses and i’m just a long time fan. Give me the kind of desision makers they have here in Tampa or St. Louis and day Cash is not the reason for most of the names you mention. George is.

  79. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    kelly johnson 31 years old, career ops .762 career ops+ 103

    stephen drew 30 years old, career ops .764, career ops+98

    so this ‘upgrade’ would cost, what? $15M?

  80. Howler January 25th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Days when they were drunk by the 5th inning on the Ballantine beer they were promoting :)

  81. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
    All we know is he asked to be extended and they said no only to crawl back later and try to extend him.
    ====================
    How can anyone judge the Yanks when they don’t know what the deal was?
    Sounds like a bias to me.

    ======================

    Do you think he went in there and said give me a 12 yr deal?? I could have and if he did I can understand not extending.

  82. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    “exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    You didn’t mention one guy that came up through the farm system that Cash put together.
    =====================================
    seattle’s 2B

  83. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    “Those of you who miss Cano , would you rather the Yankees topped the Mariners offer?”

    i would rather they had made an offer closer to what his value is in today’s market. And you can’t say the Yankees were smart to not go 10 years, more correct would be to say the Yankees were unwilling to go above 7 years, which I disagree with.

    Instead Cano got an offer to appease the gullible amongst us.

    That should stir up the hornets nest, unfortunately back outside for me. Have to trim down my beautiful zebra grass.

  84. pkyankfan69 January 25th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    kelly johnson 31 years old, career ops .762 career ops+ 103
    —–
    Kelly Johnson’s career #’s are propped up by a strong to his career.

    The past 3 years combined for KJ:
    .226/.307/.395/.702

    He still has some pop and NYS is a good fit for him but that’s about it

  85. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    They used to judge announcers by the way they re-created the game.
    Today it’s how they come across, what they are willing to work for and how good a pitchman they are.
    Plus, today’s judge of what’s popular is not concerned with or even knows the game enough to judge how good they are re: baseball.
    Everything is based on commercialism. Marketing products is more important than the game.
    That’s what is always evolving.
    It’s no wonder the quality of broadcasting has devolved.

  86. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Ah, yes, a White Owl and a Ballantine!

  87. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    “kelly johnson 31 years old, career ops .762 career ops+ 103

    stephen drew 30 years old, career ops .764, career ops+98

    so this ‘upgrade’ would cost, what? $15M?”

    Very misleading….because Johnson isn’t that player now…..because Johnson can’t play SS…..and because Drew is a different player when he’s healthy and his career numbers are greatly skewed by his injured seasons. When Drew has been healthy he’s been a 3 or 4 win player…..he was worth 3.4 wins last year in only 120 games

  88. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    grouchonyy January 25th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
    Pettitte was allowed to walk away, even though he came back later.

    I think that Andy wanted to play near his home and the Yankees understood this. Since Reggie was on his way down, Cano is the only great player in his prime that the Yankees have ever let go. If Howler is right and there is a new Yankee way, it will not be so different if Trout is in pinstripes with a Cano type contract in his pocket.

  89. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Do you think he went in there and said give me a 12 yr deal?? I could have and if he did I can understand not extending.
    ====================
    Again, we do not know the offer so we can not judge.

    We knew the offers for his FA so we can.

    He did not want to return moreso than the Yanks didn’t want him.

  90. pkyankfan69 January 25th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Drew’ last 3 years aren’t much better

    .245/.322/.403/.725

    ’11 and ’12 he only played 1/2 seasons due to injury.

    I’m not a huge fan of him either.

    Think I’d rather go cheap with Baker who can platoon at 3B and back up at 1B, 2B, and corner OF.

    OR just wait and try to acquire a 3B midseason like a Headley or Aram.

  91. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    “Those of you who miss Cano , would you rather the Yankees topped the Mariners offer?”

    This is a difficult question…..do I think Cano is worth the 235 it would have taken to sign him? No……but the thing is that they overpaid Ellsbury and Tanaka and had no problem doing that.

    It’s not my money…..but if you’re spending half a billion bucks then letting the best player walk to sign lesser players to over market deals doesn’t make tons of sense.

    The Yanks didn’t want to go that extra mile for Cano…..we may never know fully why

  92. Tabbert January 25th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    I can’t wait for spring training. What will we see from Pineda, Banuelos, what about Dean Anna trying to make it to the show, Sizemore trying to return to the show, and obviously we will get our first glimpse at Tanaka. I don’t think I’ve ever been so excited for spring training before. There is going to be a lot of battles. I’m just ready for baseball. Nothing worse than when the NFL season ends and the NBA is the only thing left.

  93. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Drew better take a 1 year deal and look around again next year or he might not be signed till June when the draft pick drops off.

    NY would be a good landing spot as there might be an opportunity of value here that will boost his next year as well as this year.

  94. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Instead Cano got an offer to appease the gullible amongst us.

    ————————-

    Cano goes to Seattle at a crazy high offer

    Some fans say: He’s a traitor. I’m glad we have players that want to be here and aren’t just about the money.

    Hmmmmmm

    Vesting option for a sixth yr for McCann, Ellsbury received 7 yrs, Beltran received the 3rd yr he wanted and Tanaka’s reps told themthey had to go 7 to get him. How many guys we signed actually wanted to be here despite the money. Even Beltran who always wanted to be a Yankee wouldn’t budge off 3 yrs.

  95. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    i keep hearing how stephen drew is babe ruth and derek jeter combined “when he’s healthy”

    he’s had one ‘healthy’ season in the last 5.

  96. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    He did not want to return moreso than the Yanks didn’t want him.

    ——————

    IDK they pretty much laid the ground work for him not returning. Well if he wants to be here we’ll see, etc.

  97. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    IDK they pretty much laid the ground work for him not returning. Well if he wants to be here we’ll see, etc.
    ================
    Do you really think Seattle was letting him get away?
    It was them all along and you know it.
    Nobody could compete as they grossly overpaid.

  98. bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    The Yankees had to find a way to keep their best player, and what did they do?

    People can cry and pound the ground all they want, the bottom line is Cano wanted to be paid through age 41, he wanted an Arod type contract even though he is not as good as Arod was. And that was the problem, not some sob story about less knowledgable people criticizing him for not running hard.

  99. Tabbert January 25th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    I think Tanaka could be the guy that helps us get over Cano. Ells, Bmac, and Beltran, are all great, but it’s hard to have a huge emotional attachment. Tanaka is a rookie. He’s not homegrown, but he is as close as it gets. There is something about a player never playing for another team. Although he played in Japan, it’s not the same. He is debuting in MLB as Yankee. I think it’s special and I think the fans are going to become emotionally invested in this guy and love him. Tanaka is crucial for this team’s future success, and he could be one of the next core players for this franchise. It’s exciting. I already love the guy and he hasn’t even pitched. He could be a complete bust… But, he has my unwavering support.

  100. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    nobody has to appease me and calling other people who disagree with you gullible is weak.

    the only offer that matters is the one he signed. i was dead-set against signing him for 10 years unless the aav was much lower than what he got, so i dont care what the yankees offered him, i would not have wanted them to sign him.

    of course i would have extended him 2 years ago or traded him last offseason, but thats not what they did.

    whatever it would have cost them to keep cano this offseason would not have been worth it, imo.

    but though i disagree i will refrain from casting aspersions on your character based on that.

  101. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Nobody could compete as they grossly overpaid

    —————

    Oh yea he was overpaid no one will argue that it’s just weird to see the Yankees let a great player go especially a homegrown one at that.

  102. Tabbert January 25th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    I don’t know that taking a one year deal would be very smart for Drew. He risk throwing himself out there with a really talented Infield free agency class next year. If anything, he stands to lose money by taking a one year deal. I don’t see it.

  103. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Outside of Cano their only bright spot that is universally respected is Drob.

  104. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Again you can’t just look at the last 3 years for Drew in a lump IMO because he’s been hurt 2 of those years…..basically Drew has been bad in years where he doesn’t play 120 games and good in the years where he does

  105. bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    but the thing is that they overpaid Ellsbury and Tanaka and had no problem doing that.

    Ellsbury is signed through age 36, Tanaka through age 31, big difference from Cano. Arod’s contract is the comp to Cano, not those guys.

  106. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    Oh yea he was overpaid no one will argue that it’s just weird to see the Yankees let a great player go especially a homegrown one at that.
    =============================
    If you owned the Yankees would you have matched the Sea. offer?

  107. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    “NY would be a good landing spot as there might be an opportunity of value here that will boost his next year as well as this year.”

    ================================
    very true and despite reports to the contrary i think the Mets DO have the money to sign him!

  108. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:22 pm
    i keep hearing how stephen drew is babe ruth and derek jeter combined “when he’s healthy”

    he’s had one ‘healthy’ season in the last 5.”

    Hyperbole….he’s neither….he’s just way better than what they have

  109. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    ” blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:22 pm
    i keep hearing how stephen drew is babe ruth and derek jeter combined “when he’s healthy”

    he’s had one ‘healthy’ season in the last 5.”

    Hyperbole….he’s neither….he’s just way better than what they have
    ————————————————–
    you forgot the “if he’s healthy”

  110. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    “Ellsbury is signed through age 36, Tanaka through age 31, big difference from Cano. Arod’s contract is the comp to Cano, not those guys.”

    I have no problem with Tanaka…..but with Ellsbury you’re signing a player to a 7 year deal for his 30s when he averaged 108 games in his 20s.

    If you think a 10 year deal for Cano who averaged 160 games is a risk…..what is the Ellsbury deal. Sure there is more age risk with Cano’s deal…..there is A LOT more injury risk in Ellsburys deal by their histories

  111. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    We’re not talking about switching jobs over a $3.00 an hour raise. We’re talking $65 Million.

  112. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
    Oh yea he was overpaid no one will argue that it’s just weird to see the Yankees let a great player go especially a homegrown one at that.
    =============================
    If you owned the Yankees would you have matched the Sea. offer?

    ———————–

    Again no but I also wouldn’t have taken such a hard stance with him either. He took a hard stance as well. Ppl say maybe the Yankees were turned off by him which could happen but maybe they did some things that rubbed him the wrong way as well.

  113. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Who knows what next year will bring.
    All these players think of are themselves.
    In Drews case he has to consider his value to the team.
    The Yanks have a need and he fits now.
    Now is all he has.
    Next year will be a result of this one.
    He’s not that good on his own, he should go where he is needed.

  114. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    idk about drob’s universal acceptance, many ppl on here want them to bring in a different closer (for another $15M) because they dont trust drob because of 3 blown saves 2 seasons ago.

  115. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Again no but I also wouldn’t have taken such a hard stance with him either. He took a hard stance as well. Ppl say maybe the Yankees were turned off by him which could happen but maybe they did some things that rubbed him the wrong way as well.
    =================
    May be..

  116. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    YS,
    Sure if he’s healthy….but the injury concerns are part of why he’s still not been signed and I assume why he might be cheaper than normal. I don’t think Drew is some great player…..I think he’s a good fit for their current needs and think he might be a good bargain due to where the market has gone

  117. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    what is the need, to upgrade from kelley johnson? is that worth 3/$45M? 2/$32M?

  118. bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Ellsbury’s problems have mostly been running into other players. I would suspect that’s not something chronic.

  119. UpState January 25th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Steven Drew:

    Who’s his agent ?

    ..other NYY have same agent ?

  120. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    what did you say yesterday they should offer drew? i think it was 3/$45M right?

    doesnt seem like ‘cheaper than normal’ to me.

  121. bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    DRob is the only guy I trust in the bullpen… the others are wait and see.

  122. Doreen January 25th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    My opinion is that Cashman has seen too much of the grungy side of his business. He has seen the greedy side of players and agents. I think he used to be very excited about his job and what he did, and that seems to be gone. He seemed at one time to genuinely like being a GM of the Yankees, and he seemed to genuinely like the players, and sounded excited when things were going on.

    These days he is more detached emotionally, and it looks like to me that he is weary of dealing with the wheeling and dealing.

    We are not privy to any of what goes on behind the scenes. We don’t know personalities behind closed door. We do not know whether the player that comes off as the Nicest Of Mr. Nice Guys is a real jerk behind the seens.

    Which is why I think Cashman should give the GM reins over to almost anyone else. I don’t care if he stays with the Yankees in another capacity or not. But I think we need someone who is energized by the job, not a guy who at least looks to be sapped of any joy.

    As for things that have happened on his watch, there’s positive and negative. And the positive is almost always overshadowed by, “well, he works for the Yankees, with the wallet that goes along with that.” I think that’s pretty tough to deal with all the time.

    When he first talked about revamping the farm system, he was genuinely excited by it and seemed intent on making a real difference there. Don’t know what happened. Did he drop the ball? Did he not hire the right people? Was ownership only nominally invested in the idea (my guess)? Is the development of young talent always going to be sabotaged by the need to feed the machine (the ML club)?

    Lots of guys his age have mid-life crises. He’s not alone there. It’s horribly unfortunate for him that some of that mid-life crisis of his was ugly. The rappelling and skydiving and stuff – eh, who cares? seems like fun, and he raises money for charities. Not much different than the guy down the street buying that red convertible mustang he always wanted.

    And I don’t think any of the stuff we regularly go round and round about here has any simple answers. No one is a clear villain; no one is a clear hero.

  123. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    i wont be upset if they sign drew, i just think its waaaay overpaying for the upgrade he would give them.

    very expensive insurance policy.

    but its not my money.

  124. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    I still would have preferred Cano over Ellsbury (just extend Gardner). Cano will end up being the more productive player over the next 3-4 years IMO.

    That being said… am I the only person that’s remained curious about the third team in on Cano. He said at his presser a third team was involved that made a competitive offer.. don’t remember the exact quote but I got the impression it was more than the Yanks offer as well.

  125. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:37 pm
    what did you say yesterday they should offer drew? i think it was 3/$45M right?

    doesnt seem like ‘cheaper than normal’ to me.

    3/35

  126. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    what is the need, to upgrade from kelley johnson? is that worth 3/$45M? 2/$32M?
    ===============================
    that’s his problem. he’not worth or going to get that hence the delay.
    they are prolly offering 1-2/5-10.

  127. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
    idk about drob’s universal acceptance, many ppl on here want them to bring in a different closer (for another $15M) because they dont trust drob because of 3 blown saves 2 seasons ago.

    ———————–

    Even if they don’t agree that he close the feeling is he’s at least a very good reliever.

  128. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Ellsbury’s problems have mostly been running into other players. I would suspect that’s not something chronic.

    ———————

    Even if he’s done it multiple times lol?

  129. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    The last year with Robbie was certainlly more like a divorce than a courtship. That’s for sure. It’s no wonder they are no longer married. The stuff said on Yankee broadcasts was like something the friends of the leaving wife would say.

  130. Doreen January 25th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Yankee Trader (I think it was you in the last thread), you wondered why Cano didn’t hold out to go to another team with better playoff prospects.

    I wondered the same thing; I thought, even if he doesn’t want the Yankees, why go to the Mariners?

    I think the answer must be pretty simple. There were no serious offers from those teams, or at least nothing close to what the Mariners offered. At least I don’t recall hearing about any. And so, it comes down to, Robby Cano wanted what he wanted.

  131. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    bbb51 January 25th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
    Ellsbury’s problems have mostly been running into other players. I would suspect that’s not something chronic.

    ——————

    They are still injuries though whether they are freak ones or not.

  132. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    I still would have preferred Cano over Ellsbury (just extend Gardner). Cano will end up being the more productive player over the next 3-4 years IMO.”

    Agreed…..I think Ellsbury can be as good as Cano production wise…..he just doesn’t generally stay healthy enough to do it

  133. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    drew @ $5M per year would be great.

    if only for the fact that boras had him turn down a QO ($14M)

    that would be boras’ biggest blunder.

    but he’s not going anywhere for $5M/year.

  134. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    bbb51 says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm
    Ellsbury’s problems have mostly been running into other players. I would suspect that’s not something chronic.

    Some players play hard and don’t get hurt though…..he’s fragile…..I don’t think it matters how he gets hurt….he gets hurt

  135. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    HankFlorida

    For never was a story of more woe, then the Yankees and their Cano.
    When he asked for ten years and 240 the Bombers said don’t let your ass get hit by the doe.
    For they never thought that he would get that dough.
    But now far from the Bronx in the NW, now without pinstripes doncha know
    Will be missed but not for long, for it’s 28 in 2014 after this winter’s unyielding cold and unending snow.

  136. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    drew is not somebody to build a team around.
    in fact he is a fill in that can be replaced.
    perfect for the yanks and their situation.
    drew would be smart to jump on it before baker signs.

  137. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Agreed…..I think Ellsbury can be as good as Cano production wise…..he just doesn’t generally stay healthy enough to do it

    —————

    Even if he is completely healthy for the next 3 or 4 seasons, I really still believe Cano is the more productive player. Especially when you consider we do have Gardner. I would have loved for them to have retained Cano, signed Beltran, McCann, Tanaka and just extended Gardner. OFers are always on the move. We made an already weak INF weaker.

    It was just a weird approach to me, but whatever it was that kept them away from signing Robbie I do look forward to seeing how his numbers match Ellsbury’s going forward.

  138. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    what kept them away from signing seattle’s 2b was the ridiculous $72M at age 39/40&41.

  139. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    it is possible that the cano contract beats both arod’s and pujol’s contracts for ridiculousness.

  140. Doreen January 25th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    the Yankees must have been ready to pay Cano $25 million a year for 7 years. Until Cano actually signed with someone else, there was always the possibility that he could have told Jay Z – man, want the Yankees, let’s take that offer (or make a counter offer that wasn’t so far fetched). And if he did that, the Yankees would be paying him $25 million for the next 7 years.

    I don’t see myself as gullible for thinking that the Yankees did indeed want Cano back, but that for whatever reason, they set a limit to that. As I said before, there had to have been things we have can never know of that factored in.

    Also want to bring up that sometime during the season, there was a lot of griping that Cano was not the go-to guy in post-game interviews, but somewhere around the mid-point of the season, maybe after the All-Star break, but certainly around it, I felt like they were making sure that Cano was interviewed post-game, even if he didn’t get the game winning hit. He certainly was in that stretch more so than I could ever remember. YES did the story about Cano with Jack Curry – the two parter – at the beginning of the season. I felt like that was a way of putting Cano’s importance to the team front and center. I felt like they gave a whole lot of attention to Cano.

    I don’t think it’s unfair that Kay or anyone else pointed out occasions when Cano didn’t bust it to first. Most of the time that it was pointed out, it was because had he busted it, he might have beat out a sloppily fielded ball, or gotten a double instead of a single.

    I like Cano. I like almost everything about him. But he’s not without his flaws.

  141. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    The thing I disagree about with Drew is that adding him makes this a playoff team.. if this isn’t a playoff team without him, I don’t think it will be with him.

  142. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    who cares how cano #’s compare to ellsburys.
    ellsbury is a leadoff hitter.
    in fact, if they pitch to him, which they won’t, his #’s could be better in Sea than NY.
    not to say that’s what he would have done in NY where they are playing for something with somebodies and he wouldn’t have to do as much…

  143. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    The Cano offer was the equivalent of the Bernie offer or the Torre offer.

  144. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    adding drew is to replace jeter over ryan if needed..

  145. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
    The Cano offer was the equivalent of the Bernie offer or the Torre offer.

    ——————————

    Take it and if you don’t we’ll just say you were greedy lol

  146. yankee21 January 25th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    tabbert,

    your 2.27 post was spot on.

  147. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    it is possible that the cano contract beats both arod’s and pujol’s contracts for ridiculousness.

    ————-

    Unless Cano starts sucking literally next season, that’s impossible. The Pujols contract is the absolute worst of the bunch.

  148. Tabbert January 25th, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Ryan has a two year deal. He isn’t going anywhere.

  149. Doreen January 25th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Shame -

    Probably. We want you, but we want you at our price, not yours. And they clearly were ready to move on in each case.

  150. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    I just hope they didn’t set a limit on Cano because of the budget lol.. cause that would’ve been pretty foolish, no?

  151. blake January 25th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    January 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm
    The thing I disagree about with Drew is that adding him makes this a playoff team.. if this isn’t a playoff team without him, I don’t think it will be with him.

    The margin between what is a playoff team and what isn’t can be razor thin…..sometimes 1 extra win makes all the difference. Their infield defense is really bad…..the left side is really bad

  152. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    are we talking about the bernie offer after the 2006 season?

    whatever they offered him it was too much anyway.

    did you see him in the WBC the following season? he was supposed to be showcasing himself for teams to see he could still play.

    he had to be replaced in the first series because he was so embarrassingly bad.

    career over.

    how much did y ou want the yankees to offer him that year?

  153. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    We want you, but we want you at our price, not yours.

    ———–

    The reason why the word gullible is being thrown around is because the negotiations with every other player they signed this off season went differently. Beltran wanted a 3rd year, they gave it to him (probably a pretty bad idea for a team that was ‘worried about his knees’ 2 years ago). Tanaka wanted 7 years and an opt out, he got it. Ellsbury had an extra year from Seattle but apparently not more money.

    It’s one of those things where if people wanna say the Yankees made a push for Cano, being labelled gullible doesn’t seem like much of an insult.

  154. mick January 25th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Getting a replacement for jeter will be much less expensive now than when that need actually happens.
    Drew knows that’s why they want him.
    He’s a bandaid and he wants more than that.
    Plus, he won’t be perceived as a jeter replacement to jeter and his fans.

  155. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    the problem wasnt that they were too cheap to bernie.
    the problem was bernie had the delusion that he was still a good player.

  156. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    gardner ====>

  157. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    how much did y ou want the yankees to offer him that year?

    ———–

    I didn’t say I wanted them to offer him anything, I was just illustrating that they sometimes operate in a passive aggressive manner – something I’ve never appreciated, whether it was Bernie or Torre.

  158. Doreen January 25th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Shame,

    the Yankees were pretty straightforward about their position.

    Cano was pretty clear about his.

    I don’t feel hoodwinked by the Yankees. But I also don’t believe you offer someone $25 million a year as a gesture. Torre and Bernie were very much under-offered.

  159. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Blake, Ellsbury had one good year where he hit 32 home runs where we could compare him to Cano and that is it. Ellsbury is a good player and Cano is a great player. Compare this team to the 2012 team and the power numbers are still lacking. Trisha talked about the new hybrid Yankee team based on speed, defense and pitching before last season ended, and she is right minus the fielding in the infield without A-Rod, Cano and an aging Jeter. With the better pitching if the defense remains as is, there will be more seeing eye grounders giving up runs, and there will be a need to manufacture more runs based on speed in order to put more wins on the board.

  160. mick January 25th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    those who want you to believe you’ve been hoodwinked or deceived or you are gullible are holier than thou conspiracists who should be on a political blog somewhere protesting the gov’t.

  161. comet January 25th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    Howler here’s something for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCm3UEfRQv0

  162. bardos January 25th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    These days almost all the multi-year free agent signings include the following non-written proviso: “We’re betting you’ll be good for about 75% of the contract and a total weight around our necks for the other 25%, but we want that 75%, so it’s worth it to throw the other money away”. The Yankees were willing to go for 5 good years and 2 lousy ones.

    Again, we may not have to look too far to see where Cano got his model of a 10 year contract from.

  163. chapel hill taxi to rdu August 11th, 2014 at 1:25 am

    Here are some insightful quotes I like… Lemme know
    if you like them:

    “Imagination is more important than knowledge.

    “I, at any rate, am convinced that He (God) does not throw dice.”

    “The significant matter is not to stop questioning; curiosity has its
    own reason for existing.”

    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

    “Falling in love is not at all the most dumb thing that
    people do — but gravitation cannot be held responsible for it.”

    “The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious.
    It’s the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science.”

    “Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything
    new.”

    “Strive not to become a man of success, but rather try to become
    a man of value”

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