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The next nine months: What to do about Gardner?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner

With a few exceptions, I try to give my take on all of our Pinch Hitter blog posts. Sometimes there’s a deeply personal story that I let stand on its own, but for the most part, I enjoy building off the ideas and opinions that our Pinch Hitters bring to the blog. That said, Wednesday’s guest poster, Delia Enriquez, was pretty quickly overshadowed by the news of Masahiro Tanaka’s signing. For whatever it’s worth, here’s my take on Delia’s idea of signing the Yankees left fielder to a long-term extension. 

Last week, the Yankees did exactly what we expected them to do with Brett Gardner: They avoided arbitration, signed him to a one-year deal, and gave themselves a bit of temporary stability without removing any options for the future. Gardner can be traded. He can be released. He can be re-signed. He can be allowed to walk away into free agency. The only thing that’s guaranteed is that the Yankees have the option of using Gardner as an everyday left fielder this season.

What happens next requires some serious reevaluation of two things: Prospects and policies.

Wednesday morning, Delia made her case for signing Gardner to a long-term extension, and I don’t necessarily disagree with her. I don’t think I’ve ever been in the strictly-a-fourth-outfielder camp when it comes to Gardner. I like his skill set. There times when his approach at the plate gets him into bad counts, I often wonder why he doesn’t try to steal more often, and I realize he has a kind of wacky history with injuries, but I think Gardner’s a nice player. I certainly believe he could land a starting center field job on several other teams, and I think there’s real logic in the idea of having a center-fielder’s range playing left field at Yankee Stadium, and I think he showed something last year when he was asked to carry a heavier load.

I like Gardner, and not only because he grew up on a farm like me (though, that obviously helps).

Brett GardnerAs for signing him long-term, though, I think the timing works out pretty well for the Yankees to make that decision sometime in the next nine months. Any later than that, and it’s too late. The Yankees can let Gardner enter the free agent market if they’d like, but if that happens, it should be because they’ve decided to let him go. The ultimate decision of whether to keep him should happen sometime between now and November.

Nine months should be enough of time to evaluate whether Slade Heathcott seems ready to step into a big league role. It might not be enough time to be certain, but it should give the Yankees an idea of what Heathcott can do in the upper levels (and maybe in a taste of the big leagues). It just so happens that two of the Yankees highest-ceiling prospects — Heathcott and Mason Williams — are speedy, left-handed-hitting center fielders who play good defense. That should give the team some hesitation about committing to Gardner, but only if the team is convinced Heathcott and/or Williams is seriously big-league caliber.

Nine months should also be enough time to determine whether Carlos Beltran can be counted on for at least a little bit of time in right field beyond 2014 (or if he’s strictly a DH for the final two years of his contract). Also, is Zoilo Almonte an option? Are Ronnier Mustelier, Adonis Garcia or Jose Pirela worth a look? Can Tyler Austin rebound from a rocky season and regain some of the prospect status that vanished last year? The Yankees know they have Jacoby Ellsbury locked up. Is there anyone else in the outfield mix beyond this season, or is Gardner their best option?

And if Gardner is the Yankees best option, nine months should be enough time to get him signed for another three or four years. In recent years, the Yankees have shown signs of breaking away from their policy of never signing players to mid-season contract extensions. For Gardner — and, come to think of it, for Dave Robertson — it’s worth reevaluating that policy, because it might not make sense in the new landscape of free agency and fiscal restraint. The Yankees face a lot of lineup uncertainty beyond this season. Shortstop, second base, third base, and either right field or designated hitter will be a question mark for 2016. Left field will be as well if Gardner walks away.

You know why it seems fewer top players are hitting the open market these days? Because teams are signing their good young players to long-term deals before they reach free agency. If the Yankees decide they need Gardner — and they have nine months to make that decision — they should think about following that example.

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172 Responses to “The next nine months: What to do about Gardner?”

  1. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    There is probably little reason to keep Gardner when they spent bank on Ellsbury.. any other team would trade him if they weren’t trying to extend him.

  2. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    extend the man!

  3. blake January 25th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    There is a number Id extend him at…..3/30 or so….,he would get way more than that as a FA

  4. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    ——————–

    Grass is always greener. Even the Jeter negotiations got ugly at one point.

  5. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    I think the only way they get around to trying to extend Gardner is if Ellsbury gets injured lol.. and if that’s the case and I’m Gardner I tell the Yanks to shove it.

  6. Howler January 25th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Trade him now or at mid-season…or let him walk and let someone take his place from the minors…not that special a player that you need to hold onto him like, “My Precious”.

  7. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    so the yankees actually made an offer to bernie after 2006 which was clearly for more than he was worth (because as it turns out he was worth nothing) but you make a reference to it as if the yankees did him wrong by offering him less money than he wanted (but more than he was worth)

    i dont get it. they made a more than genrous offer no matter what bernie thought of it.

  8. Tabbert January 25th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    It would be really awesome if Gardy could produce another 6 WAR season like he did in 2010. : )

  9. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    @TGfireandice Martin Brodeur’s locker in the Yankees clubhouse. pic.twitter.com/byrjHLMP7t

    Players were talking about finding Jeter’s locker lol.

  10. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Ys – My point is that they have somewhat of a history of making offers they know will be turned down. You’re putting words in my mouth to fit your argument. I never said the Yankees did him wrong, I said they made him an offer they know he wouldn’t accept. Which was what happened. The same happened with Torre.

  11. Cashmoney January 25th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Hello from Borgata peeps. Shame, not before Gardner injures himself before Ellsbury, what blake said about Ellsbury can be applied to gardner just as easily, blake?

    On Cano, the only team that’s stupid enough to give Cano that contract is a desperate Ms team. though I think Ellsbury is overpaid as well. But I am ready to move on. Jap can be over the top melodramatic at times.

    Later all.

  12. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    It’s a passive aggressive way to negotiate.. and I really dislike passive aggressive people/actions. Nothing frustrates me more.

    They used those offers to deflect. To change the public conversation and move it away from them and onto their personnel. It’s fine.. they’re a business they can do it.

    I’m just pointing out it’s not new for them.

  13. Cashmoney January 25th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Oh btw, I crushed Michael Phelps at the table to add a little past Olympic favor :D The Soprano kid is playing there as well, T.J. or something others.

  14. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Shame, not before Gardner injures himself before Ellsbury, what blake said about Ellsbury can be applied to gardner just as easily, blake?

    —————-

    Sure.

    But Gardner wasn’t given $20+ million a year for nearly a decade lol. Gardner getting injured isn’t nearly as much of a problem as Ellsbury going down.

  15. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    I’ll run around your centre field for a bargain. Just send a few practice shots my way and a go it will be. Devon White was a pure joy – he made it look like a slow, easy lope to the ball, he had a jump with the ” crack ” of the bat. Goaltenders in hockey have a similiar appeal when they make the save look like nothin’. Eddie Belfour could be up all night drinking, but there he was, calmly turning everyone away. Eddie had the added value of being able to handle the puck posterior to his net for his D men.

  16. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Shame,
    You asked before which team was all in on Tanaka. One rumor I read was that it was the Astros!

  17. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Coldest month in a century. Can’t wait for the SB.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ntury.html

  18. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    Addition to the Eddie ” the Eagle ” story. He did indeed appear calm stopping pucks, but get in his crease, and a big stick it was, right in the groin. The distance Belfour gained was worth the penalty.

  19. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    id be perfectly happy with gardy matching last year’s 4.2 WAR but i think he’s going to score more runs, so i think it will go up.

    Gardner and Beltran had the same WAR last year.

    and as i said earler, gardner was 9th in ops among AL qualifying OF.

    josh hamilton (who many on here wanted the yankees to sign last year) was 21st.

  20. comet January 25th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Howler here’s something for you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCm3UEfRQv0

  21. comet January 25th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Mills is it snowing up your way? We’re getting clobbered!

  22. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    “Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Ys – My point is that they have somewhat of a history of making offers they know will be turned down.”
    ==================================
    i understand what you’re saying, but again it turned out that that offer was for much more than he was actually worth. so the fault of him not accepting it was because bernie thought he could still play when the yankees correctly saw that he really couldn’t. maybe they just shouldnt have offered anything but wouldnt that have been even more insulting to bernie considering that he thought he could still play?

  23. kmsrocknj January 25th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Gardner and a couple midlevel prospects for Pablo Sandoval!!!!!

  24. comet January 25th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    RIB it was stupid to schedule the SB in an open air stadium in the northern part of the country.

    In this greatest of football the game should not be impacted by the weather!

  25. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    and again bernie was my favorite baseball player ever.

    but if he was insulted by the yankees offer, he had no right to be.

  26. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    Stan Mikita was a little, skilled player who got wise advice from the start – ” hit ‘em first “. He invented the curved stick after bending his stick between the boards at practice ( accident, he was shoved that way ). After practicing with the concept quietly for a while, Bobby Hull caught wind of things. The rest is history. Some, like Dougie Gilmour still made hall of fame careers with the straight variety.

  27. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    i LOVE that the SB is outside in the cold this year. im hoping for a nice mellow snowfall throughout the game.

    i dont feel a bit of remorse for the richies whining about not being able to golf and go sailing.

    btw, while everyone’s fretting it now, just wait, if it snows it will be the highest rated SB ever!

  28. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Comet, we had a kind, gentle cardio snow. The kind of white mountain that would not suffice for the likes of, Fleetwood Mac. I saw your post about stupid music noise at the dome. I concur, I hate it. I brought my transistor radio to listen to the gracious Jerry Howarth, but it was a lost cause.

  29. comet January 25th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
    Ys – My point is that they have somewhat of a history of making offers they know will be turned down. You’re putting words in my mouth to fit your argument. I never said the Yankees did him wrong, I said they made him an offer they know he wouldn’t accept. Which was what happened. The same happened with Torre.

    ***************************************************************************
    Shame unless they really didn’t want him back or he didn’t want to comeback one of them ought to have explored 8 years at $25 million per year. It still would have been $40 million short of the Seattle offer but I can’t see paying Cano more than that. Can You?

  30. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    comet

    I agree.

    We’re supposed to have a nasty storm next weekend. Can’t imagine folks spending a few grand on tickets with flight and hotel expenses then to watch the game in snow mobile suits.

  31. comet January 25th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Mills that’s I don’t go the Dome to the Yankees when they are in town.

  32. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    Having a blizzard upstate NY as I type.

  33. blake January 25th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    January 25, 2014 at 3:34 pm
    and again bernie was my favorite baseball player ever.

    but if he was insulted by the yankees offer, he had no right to be.

    It’s ludicrous that he was bounced from the HOF ballot already…..he’s borderline for me but he had better numbers than some outfielders that are in

  34. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Ys,
    Before the AFL merger, the NFL championship was always outdoors, wherever it landed, NY, Cleveland, Baltimore, wherever.. I agree with you, just go play football.

  35. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    I think a good hard frigid snow complete avec strong wind chill factor will be a blast at the bowl,….I’m not going :)

  36. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Tom

    But in those days they played in a home stadium of one of the two teams.

    This is about a neutral site for the game.

    Crazy if they have to play in a blizzard, negating the passing game.

    When they shouldn’t have to.

    The Tundra Bowl is favorite game of all time but now we have a choice.

  37. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    I hope the NFL loses a fortune for this choice.

    Not fair to the winning teams or the players.

  38. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    We need a good fog bowl with seagulls getting in the way. In ’75 the Flyers were playing the Sabres in the Stanley Cup finals. The fog was thick in Buffalo, and I think there might have been a bat flying around. Good times.

  39. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    RIB,
    Ideally, they’s still play the Super Bowl in the home stadium of the team with the better record. Those days are gone forever, in the era of $5 million halftime shows. I’ll watch from a hopefully warmer Georgia anyway! If it’s Tundra Bowl II, so much the better.

  40. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    Why is it ok for the Championship (and every other game) to be played in weather, but not the SB?

    Seems to me to be an unfair advantage to warm weather teams and teams that play under a dome.

    FB was made to be played in the elements. Looking forward to this game, hope it’s cold enough to see the players breath!

  41. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    They’re talking possible date/time changes if the weather is really bad.

    Can you imagine if they reschedule? What a mess.

    I think the folks who’ll make a fortune on this SB sell HD TVs.

  42. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    would anyone care to guess where the lowest temperature super bowl of all time was?

    New Orleans 1972.

    an inch of rain fell on the 2007 Super Bowl in Miami.

    unless only dome stadiums can host the SB, good weather is not guaranteed.

  43. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Tom, I’ll take the January cold ( pretty black ice and rock ); you can have all that July heat. :)

  44. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    so when new orleans has to go play the nfc championship game in green bay that’s fair?

    no that’s football!

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    Shame – do you realize that there were just as many people who felt that the Yankees were more than fair with Torre based on his inability to get beyond the first round? Do you also realize that there are people who feel that the Yankees were more than fair with Cano? You talk about these things like your belief is the ultimate truth. People who see it the other way are equally committed to those positions and probably feel that your way of thinking is way out in left field.

  46. Bret The Hitman January 25th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

    I honestly think Sandoval would, like Headley, solicit a demand for Nova.

  47. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    “so when new orleans has to go play the nfc championship game in green bay that’s fair?

    no that’s football!”

    Well in that situation they don’t have a choice. But choosing a SB site they do.

    This is the first (dome-less) outside venue in the north since the SB sites have awarded.

  48. comet January 25th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    jmills January 25th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
    We need a good fog bowl with seagulls getting in the way. In ’75 the Flyers were playing the Sabres in the Stanley Cup finals. The fog was thick in Buffalo, and I think there might have been a bat flying around. Good times.

    Mills there was a bat. Jim Lorenz killed it with his stick. Do you remember some of the fog bowls the Grey Cup was played in?

  49. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Like awarding the summer Olympics to Antarctica.

  50. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    they picked an awesome venue for a winter sport.

    new york, new york, so nice they named it twice.

    im sorry all the richies would rather be in phoeninx playing croquet in the sunshine.

  51. Bret The Hitman January 25th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    I meant elicit, not solicit. Busy day.

  52. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    ” RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Like awarding the summer Olympics to Antarctica.”
    =============================

    when did football become a summer sport?

  53. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Hell freezes over, they played the Grey Cup in Regina this year past. Saskatchewan won! Great football fans there. ( nothing to do with the fact they have nothing else )

  54. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    and btw, they certainly could choose to play the nfc championship game at a neutral site.

  55. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “Like awarding the summer Olympics to Antarctica.”

    Except FB is a winter sport and NY is not exactly Antarctica…but other than that I see your point.

  56. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Excuse me to all you Garden State people……NJ is not exactly Antarctica.

  57. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Comet, didn’t Winnipeg play in a fog bowl? Please, enlighten me!

  58. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    the people whining the most about the cold Super Bowl being unfair should never have gotten those “participation medals” in youth soccer.

  59. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    Ys

    I guarantee you this will be the last time the SB is played in a dome-less northern site.

    Ticket prices are plunging because of where it’s being played.

  60. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    that was a soccer joke not actually aimed at any of my esteemed fellow yankees fans here in this room.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    I’ll say this. I’m personally happy that the Yankees have stopped letting themselves be bullied by demands from players. Great to see players who become ineffective with age but were able to manipulate their way into longer contracts by either threatening to go with other clubs or playing to the public. We continue to see how players like that hurt rather than help the team when they start limping onto the field.

    NOBODY here knows what the formula was that went into the amount of desire to keep Robby. I definitely never thought he’d be in other than pinstripes, and I think he’s one of the best 2B in the majors, if not the best. That said, I refuse to be blind to any of the downsides that he presented. Personally, I think that his association with Arod hurt rather than helped him and IMO Arod was one of the people behind the scenes telling him he was being disrespected and urging him to go to Seattle. That’s my opinion, and nothing is going to change it.

    However, I realize that others may not see it that way, and I don’t necessarily see them as gullible or stupid for not seeing it that way, nor do I think that they are ridiculous in believing the Yankees weren’t fair with Cano.

    I think there’s room for people to view things in different ways without anyone having to pull the Jesus card.

  62. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Ys

    I never got any participation trophies in any sports I played.

    I earned the right to play.

  63. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Ys,
    lol

  64. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    who cares about secondary ticket prices or where they hold the next super bowl?

    this one’s here and it’s gonna be great!

    especially with a nice snowfall!

  65. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    So its not ok to call someone gullible… but it’s ok to call people who don’t like where the SB is being played whiners?

    noted.

  66. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    if it snows it will be the highest rated SB ever!

    ——————–

    Exactly it’s going to do monster ratings and everyone saying ppl are not looking forward to it. Ppl say that until it gets close to game time.

  67. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    “that was a soccer joke not actually aimed at any of my esteemed fellow yankees fans here in this room”

    Ok.

  68. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    Prices plummet for SB tickets

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoff.....ue-plummet

  69. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    I’m personally happy that the Yankees have stopped letting themselves be bullied by demands from players

    —————-

    They pretty much caved in to the demands of every player the signed this season. Even for a big Yankee guy like Beltran who wanted 3 yrs and they gave it to him.

  70. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    RIB i played youth football and all i got was two broken fingers (still twisted) and at least one concussion!

  71. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    “What we have now is like a panicked stock market,” said James Kimmel, owner of Epic Seats, a ticket brokerage in Seattle. “The buyers have frozen, and the sellers are panicking.”

    On Friday, Kimmel said he got an offer to buy a man’s tickets for face value, something he said he never expected to hear.

    Weather is definitely a factor, even though the forecast is far from definitive. AccuWeather’s website, WillItSnow.com, which seeks to predict the weather for the big game, has the temperature in the 20s and 30s for East Rutherford, N.J., on Feb. 2, with snow showers possible.

    “The cold weather is certainly an issue,” Kimmel said. “For the prices people are paying, they want to be comfortable in their seats. Even if it’s not a blizzard, sitting outside in very cold weather is a deterrent.”

  72. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    “I think there’s room for people to view things in different ways without anyone having to pull the Jesus card.”

    What does Montero have to do with this?

    And my view is that you are gullible to think the Yankees made an offer that the Yankees thought Cano would take. And Torre was great comp that Shame mentioned.

    BTW just yesterday you agreed that Alex was “80% responsible for “poisoning” Cano against the Yankees”, and that was a primary reason for him not coming back (paraphrasing).

  73. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    RIB,
    They were all sold months ago. Losers will be those who bought them on spec. To hell with them, anyway. There will be record tv ratings.

  74. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    btw, upper end zone tickets (cheapest ticket listed on stub hub) is going for $1595.00)

    wow, if this keeps up they may have to sit with the great unwashed! gasp!

  75. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Good for the people of NJ. Maybe they will get to go the SB at reasonable prices. I could care less at the profits that a ticket broker might lose out on.

  76. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    “Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    “I think there’s room for people to view things in different ways without anyone having to pull the Jesus card.”

    What does Montero have to do with this? ”

    ====================
    belly laugh! good one Tar!

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    “But let’s not spend our time talking about how low people go – I don’t know Arod as a person. I hold intense personal feelings for people actually in my life, not people I watch on tv.”

    “As for his personal life, sorry when you are a public figure your personal life is relevant. Also, the way a man treats his wife is a good perspective on his character. His character effects his professional decisions and as we see just like in his personal life many of those decisions have been a disaster.”

    Poetkiosk, seems that you have intense personal feelings about Cashman. And you don’t seem to mind talking about how low people go when talking about him. I think that you might be applying a bit of a double standard here? (Or are you angry today…) ;)

    *******************

    “Cash built the version that has us winning one WS in over a decade while our rivals won 3″

    Not much to say about this if you are someone who’s okay with steroids and cheating – because it’s clear that their three WS titles did come on the back of steroids and cheating. But unfortunately it seems that people have become numb to it, and MLB didn’t seem to step forward and do anything when three Sux pitchers were accused of cheating this season, one in the playoffs.

    *******************

    Yankeeclipper January 25th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Excellent post.

    “People can cry and pound the ground all they want, the bottom line is Cano wanted to be paid through age 41, he wanted an Arod type contract even though he is not as good as Arod was. And that was the problem, not some sob story about less knowledgable people criticizing him for not running hard.”

    I find it hard to argue with this because I am totally against player occupying positions and getting paid handsomely while limping onto the field and offering nothing much to the team.

    “I don’t see myself as gullible for thinking that the Yankees did indeed want Cano back, but that for whatever reason, they set a limit to that. As I said before, there had to have been things we have can never know of that factored in

    I like Cano. I like almost everything about him. But he’s not without his flaws.

    We want you, but we want you at our price, not yours. And they clearly were ready to move on in each case.”

    This.

  78. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Glad to make you laugh….. you gullible one you. :D

    j/k

  79. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Ys

    I totally agree with you on the feel good trophies. Things in society have changed.

    When I ran track in HS they had a time trial a few days before every track meet, they would take the three best times, 3 participants for each event.

    If you weren’t good enough you could always work hard at your event to improve to try to be the third best time the next meet or for next season.

    Not that way anymore, now they have meets for all levels of fitness, everyone gets a trophy or a medal. Track meets now go on forever to accommodate all of the runners.

    Stupid. How can you reward someone for mediocrity? For being lazy? What good does it do?

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    “What does Montero have to do with this? ”

    Was that supposed to be funny? If not let me be clear. I was talking about the Jesus, meaning people becoming almighty with their pronouncements, as if they are etching the Ten Commandments with every word they speak. Barf!

    “And my view is that you are gullible to think the Yankees made an offer that the Yankees thought Cano would take. And Torre was great comp that Shame mentioned.”

    And I think you’re wrong.

    “BTW just yesterday you agreed that Alex was “80% responsible for “poisoning” Cano against the Yankees”, and that was a primary reason for him not coming back (paraphrasing).”

    I didn’t mention the 80% but I agreed he had a lot to do with it. And?

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    “They pretty much caved in to the demands of every player the signed this season. Even for a big Yankee guy like Beltran who wanted 3 yrs and they gave it to him.”

    :D

    They apparently thought those players were worth what they were asking. It happens.

  82. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Tom

    I don’t care actually. Just think they could have made a better choice.

    I don’t want the weather to be a factor in the outcome if necessary when it isn’t.

    My team isn’t there, I’ll be watching from my recliner.

  83. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    i was trying to win the two SB tickets on benigno and roberts yesterday with every intention of selling them for whatever i could get.

  84. Pat M. January 25th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Speaking of foul weather, I’m heading up to Chavez Ravine for a hockey at Dodger Stadium. I’ll bring a sweater just in case….

  85. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    I provided an opinion and fairly recent evidence to support it. Ys seemed to understand the principle of my argument.

    “I’ll say this. I’m personally happy that the Yankees have stopped letting themselves be bullied by demands from players. ”

    This statement flies in the face of fact, as AAO pointed out both in this thread and others.

  86. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    i just love watching snow football games. i don’t wish for horrible weather or frigid temperature. just a gentle snowfall that turns the field white would be great!

  87. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    RIB,
    Just as long as the competitors play on the same field, it’s a football game, win or lose, no excuses.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Shame – it flies in the facts they way YOU perceive them. Nothing else.

  89. blake January 25th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Pat M. says:
    January 25, 2014 at 4:32 pm
    Speaking of foul weather, I’m heading up to Chavez Ravine for a hockey at Dodger Stadium. I’ll bring a sweater just in case….

    Save it Pat M! You and your SoCal weather :)

  90. exiledintampa January 25th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    I lke that the Super Bowl is part of thw Winter Olympics. Only with more snow.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    “I provided an opinion…”

    The alpha and the omega. And that’s all I’m trying to say. We’re all providing opinions. So to call someone gullible because they don’t agree with your opinion is pretty haughty, IMO. (for those who continue to do it.)

  92. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psv7uF7_A8c#

    April Wine is a fairly little known Canadian band, but they could do both, all out rockers, and ballads. Myles Goodwyn has a great voice. I also love the Babys doing, ” Every Time I Think of You “.

  93. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Shame – it flies in the facts they way YOU perceive them. Nothing else.

    —————

    This is just not true.

    You specifically argued against the signing of Beltran 2 years ago, but support adding a 3rd year now that he’s older? You feel that way honestly? That’s not catering to a player’s demands? Of course it is.

    Tanaka just got paid the 5th highest salary for a pitcher EVER in MLB without every throwing a pitch in the league. It has been widely reported he wanted a 7th year. He also got an opt-out clause. Where are the Yankees not caving here? He got all of the above.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    On a happier note, this seems to be as good a time as any to do an update. Getting Tanaka sure seems to be a confidence booster!

    ,2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Tomingeorgia 94
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/23 Chicken_stanley 95
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    1/24 Pkyankfan69 69
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/24 RayVt 108
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    1/24 Blojaldo 97
    1/25 Melkmanisinhotlanta 95

  95. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    When we talk about signing players, it’s not the they have stopped playing an insane amount of money for players. They obviously have done so this season.

    No, they have stopped paying insane amounts of money for OLDER players or for players that will be OLD, when the contract ends (Cano).

    I think that’s what Trish means and she is correct in that sense for sure. The Yankees have decided to stop giving out contracts that end when people are 40+ or more than yearly contracts for old guys – for the most part at least.

    I think the Yankees were more than fair with Cano and gave him a contract that was very very generous. He chose years over playing for the Yankees. I really do believe Cashman when he said Cano was just all about money. It was a rare statement for Cashman to speak so bluntly it had the ring of truth to it.

  96. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    I called no one gullible, I said it was understandable why the word was being applied given the facts and context of the situation.

    In turn, you were comparing my posts to that of Jesus Christ.. c’mon, please with that nonsense. Bait someone else, I’m not in the mood.

  97. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Pat M. January 25th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Speaking of foul weather, I’m heading up to Chavez Ravine for a hockey at Dodger Stadium. I’ll bring a sweater just in case….

    —————

    It’s been snowing at the Devils/Rangers practice all day. The Stadium really does look awesome.. I’m looking forward to the game tomorrow.

  98. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    put me down for 90 wins trisha. but i may change that as the season approaches.

    i only missed by 1 win last year!

  99. yankinvegas January 25th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    Maybe Alex talked to Cano, but, in the end it made no difference. The Yanks were never going 10 years for a player on the north side of 30. That is ARod’s gift to the team.
    To all those who say the Yankees would have kept Cano if they had gone to 8 for 200, I say I don’t think so. Seattle was so invested at that point, that I think they would have upped their $$ amount to 260 or 270.
    I also believe that the Yankees became very disenchanted with Cano after his 3 for 40 postseason in 2012. And while I don’t think that his jogging down the line bothered tham that much, I believe that the absolute failure to dive for balls at 2B drove them nuts, particularly when compared to Pedroia.
    So the Yanks moved on.
    I think that we are all going to be very happy with Ellsbury. I think that .290, with 100 + runs scored, 20 + HR and 50 + SB and GG play in CF for the next few years will more than make up for the loss of Cano.
    As for Gardner,a very difficult decision. He’s already hit age 30. The most I would go to is 3 for 30 and if Heathcott shows real ability this year, I’d probably let Gardner go.
    David Robertson should immediately be given a 3 year 30 million dollar deal covering 2015-17. Immediately as in today.

  100. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    im not a hockey fan but the outdoor games do look pretty cool, especially in the snow!

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    “You specifically argued against the signing of Beltran 2 years ago, but support adding a 3rd year now that he’s older? You feel that way honestly? That’s not catering to a player’s demands? Of course it is.

    Tanaka just got paid the 5th highest salary for a pitcher EVER in MLB without every throwing a pitch in the league. It has been widely reported he wanted a 7th year. He also got an opt-out clause. Where are the Yankees not caving here? He got all of the above.”

    I argued against giving more than 6 years to anyone over the age of 30. Actually giving more than 6 years to anyone. But the Yankees apparently valued those players enough to do it.

    I don’t make the rules. I only give my opinion.

    And apparently the Yankees saw how those pieces would fit for the number of years they gave. I hardly see that as caving.

    And please stop being disingenuous about Tanaka. This forum would have shut down with keyboards being shorted out from crying if the Yankees had not landed Tanaka. People are being major hypocrites talking about Tanaka’s contract never seeing him pitch when they couldn’t flip out enough about the Yankees not getting Darvish, despite never having seem him thrown a pitch. Please don’t play both sides of the street on this one. Or were you someone who didn’t necessarily want Tanaka?

  102. yankinvegas January 25th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Put me down for 94 wins and the AL East title.

  103. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    they’d be crazy not to at least talk to drob about an extension in ST.

  104. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    “I called no one gullible”

    That was me

  105. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    So out of all the new players, anyone going to buy a Jersey? They are so expensive! Was thinking about getting Elsbury simply because he will be here the longest, assuming Tanaka opts out.

  106. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    ive never bought a jersey. i do have a jeter T-shirt though ($1 at thrift store) and a terry pendleton marlins jersey that was a present.

  107. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Trish, u want to put that list in order, I’m kinda’ slow up here :) If I win, I want classic red for the Ferrari ( I’m willing to wait if on back order ).

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    “I called no one gullible, I said it was understandable why the word was being applied given the facts and context of the situation.

    In turn, you were comparing my posts to that of Jesus Christ.. c’mon, please with that nonsense. Bait someone else, I’m not in the mood.”

    Thrown off the persecution complex and try reading for understanding. I definitely am not comparing your posts to Jesus Christ. Get that straight right away. And I referred to people who “continue to call people gullible.” How you could equate that to you is beyond me, since I actually don’t ever remember you continually using the word.

    The “Jesus card” post wasn’t even addressed to you! lol

  109. fuji January 25th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    tar-

    i see you fighting the good fight as usual.

    all i can say is we win. 189 is dead and gone.

    go tanaka :)

  110. yankinvegas January 25th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    And as to the comments by Lucchino : the Red Sox are really getting uppity aided by their lucky, Dodger fueled, steroid aided title.
    It is amazing how obsessed the Boston organization is with us.
    As to the comments of Jonny Gomes : who the bleep is Jonny Gomes

  111. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Ys – the jersey is $235 for the away version…..lot of money.

  112. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
    Shame – it flies in the facts they way YOU perceive them. Nothing else.

    ——————-

    Actually it doesn’t the Yankees have a long history of going over the limit for players they want.

    8 yrs for Tex
    7 yrs for CC
    5 yrs for AJ
    A-rod’s 2nd deal
    Ppl have already detailed what they have done in regards to the recent signings

  113. Sweet Swinging Cano January 25th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    They need to extend Drob. He is our go to guy. I believe in him and so should others.

  114. Pat M. January 25th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Shame…..Tanaka also got the dreaded no trade clause as well…. Later all and yes The Stadium looks very cool with the snow and all…Reminds me of my days playing hockey on the ponds of New Rochelle

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    “I called no one gullible”

    “That was me”

    Thank you Tar! You’re not the only one who has used the word, though.

    To put it in plain English – as I tried to do, apparently unsuccessfully, NOBODY’S OPINION TRUMPS ANYONE ELSE’S, EXCEPT IN THEIR OWN MIND.

  116. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    I wanted a Dave Stieb #37 jersey for my b-day. I thought it was going to be reasonable! My kid came back reporting a few hundred. Eff that, I’ll buy a T-shirt and put the #’s on meself.

  117. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:46 pm
    they’d be crazy not to at least talk to drob about an extension in ST.

    ————-

    It’s the Yankees.

    They’ll punt it and try to ink him as a free agent smh.

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    “Actually it doesn’t the Yankees have a long history of going over the limit for players they want.”

    Which is why they have stopped doing it! That does not equate to them being “bullied” into anything this season! Which was my point.

  119. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    wtf is jonny gomes talking about? he was signed as a free agent himself!

    i guess ‘buying players’ only applied to other teams (or better players!)

  120. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    “The “Jesus card” post wasn’t even addressed to you! lol”

    You do this all the time. You throw out a dig out there, and than when someone claims foul, you say “but I wasn’t talking about you”.

    How about standing behind your words, and addressing the people directly that you intend to insult.

  121. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    drob is going to be very very expensive next offseason.

  122. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    my prediction is that drob will have the most saves in the AL this year.

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    “When we talk about signing players, it’s not the they have stopped playing an insane amount of money for players. They obviously have done so this season.

    No, they have stopped paying insane amounts of money for OLDER players or for players that will be OLD, when the contract ends (Cano).

    I think that’s what Trish means and she is correct in that sense for sure. The Yankees have decided to stop giving out contracts that end when people are 40+ or more than yearly contracts for old guys – for the most part at least.

    I think the Yankees were more than fair with Cano and gave him a contract that was very very generous. He chose years over playing for the Yankees. I really do believe Cashman when he said Cano was just all about money. It was a rare statement for Cashman to speak so bluntly it had the ring of truth to it.”

    Poetkiosk – THANK YOU!

  124. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    “To put it in plain English – as I tried to do, apparently unsuccessfully, NOBODY’S OPINION TRUMPS ANYONE ELSE’S, EXCEPT IN THEIR OWN MIND.”

    Of course not.

    Except for non gullible people, trump gullible people in every bodies mind.

  125. mick January 25th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    such nonsense…

  126. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    Robbie Alomar was hall of fame great, but Sir David Stieb is, Mr. Blue Jay, along with R.I.P., Tom Cheek – ” touch them all Joe, you’ll never hit a bigger one in your life! “.

  127. comet January 25th, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Mills:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50th_Grey_Cup

  128. comet January 25th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Mills Tom Cheek should be in the Hall under broadcasters! No doubt.

  129. Hankflorida January 25th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    Trisha, if I compare the Yankee 2014 team to the 2012 team, the power numbers are still lacking. You talked about the new hybrid Yankee team based on speed, defense and pitching before last season ended, and your hybrid team minus the fielding in the infield has come to fruition; without A-Rod and Cano with an aging Jeter, the D is not up to par. With the better pitching if the defense remains as is, there will be more seeing eye grounders giving up runs, and there will be a need to manufacture more runs based on speed in order to put more wins on the board.

  130. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    Thanks Fuji,

    In your honor

    http://www.mfi.or.jp/mtfujihos.....502091.jpg

  131. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    …. I want my Ferrari. I bet I can drive one better than those wrap around lamposts people.

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    “The “Jesus card” post wasn’t even addressed to you! lol”

    You do this all the time. You throw out a dig out there, and than when someone claims foul, you say “but I wasn’t talking about you”.

    How about standing behind your words, and addressing the people directly that you intend to insult.”

    I wasn’t talking about anyone in particular. I’m talking about anyone who believes their opinion is gospel and there isn’t room for others to view things differently!

    “How about standing behind your words, and addressing the people directly that you intend to insult.”

    How about you addressing the people directly that you have insulted by calling them gullible? You’re asking for the same thing, aren’t you?

    Tar, there are hardly strings on my tongue. If there is one person doing any one thing, I address it to that one person. If it falls on a group or is a statement that can apply to anyone who does it, then so be it.

    I actually don’t take notes on things said by each and every person and commit them to memory. I don’t spend enough time here to be that entrenched in each person’s every thought. If I see some kind of a theme, I mention it.

    When I want to address a specific person, I quote their posts and speak to them.

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Hankinflorida – well you get the D at 1B. You also get the D any time Ryan is in the field, and there are people who believe that Jeter still gives you D. I think we have to wait until Opening Day to truly know what the D in our infield looks like. If the Ys do get Drew, you definitely get more D.

  134. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Comet, thanks! It was having to do with, Winnipeg ( Burton Cummings is proud ). Good to know my memory is ok for something.

  135. Ys Guy January 25th, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    roads are starting to get really bad here in essex county.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    “Except for non gullible people, trump gullible people in every bodies mind.”

    The fallacy being, of course, that each side likely thinks it’s the other that’s being gullible.

    :D

  137. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Comet, Tom Cheek is in the hall as of this past year. Thanks Tom for making baseball more than great!

  138. RhapsodyInBlue January 25th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Snow is blowing by my window sideways.

  139. Sweet Swinging Cano January 25th, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    Tex being healthy or not, makes or breaks this lineup to an extent.

  140. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    Fuji. Tar, that’s a very nice picture complete avec the blossoms out front.

  141. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    “How about you addressing the people directly that you have insulted by calling them gullible?”

    Well I did.

    “i would rather they had made an offer closer to what his value is in today’s market. And you can’t say the Yankees were smart to not go 10 years, more correct would be to say the Yankees were unwilling to go above 7 years, which I disagree with.

    Instead Cano got an offer to appease the gullible amongst us.”

    If you felt appeased by the offer that the Yankees made to Cano, than I consider you to be gullible on the subject of Cano, his contract offer, and the Yankees.

    Doesn’t mean I consider you gullible for everything. But let me ask you something, is Alex the only……..never mind.

    I am really trying hard to not take myself or anybody else to seriously, so if I insulted anybody (except for gullible people) I apologize.

  142. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Snow blowing sideways? R.I.B., oh what a lucky man you are!

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    “I am really trying hard to not take myself or anybody else to seriously, so if I insulted anybody (except for gullible people) I apologize”

    :lol:

    You really do make it hard not to love you!

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    I don’t think “appeased” is the appropriate word. I didn’t want him offered a contract over 6 years, so I certainly thought 7 was fair.

  145. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    … I just closed my eyes again, climbed aboard the dreamweaver train. Help me forget about today’s pain.

  146. Tar January 25th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    “You really do make it hard not to love you!”

    Aha….. proof that you are gullible. See I was right all along.

  147. Sweet Swinging Cano January 25th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    I find it hard to believe, anyone thinks Cano didn’t get a very lucrative offer from the Yanks. Not going over 7 years is smart business. I fail to see why Seattle and three more years was so much more attractive. Especially since the Yankees were offering him the same, if not more annually. He made the choice and I have moved on. It just still puzzles me.

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    yankinvegas – the guys on Baseball Tonight said they thought the Yanks had the best lineup in the AL East right after Robby was traded, and they said it was due to the addition of McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran. The way they stated it was that the Yanks hadn’t even added any more to their infield and they still felt the Yanks had the best lineup in the AL East.

    FWIW

  149. Sweet Swinging Cano January 25th, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    BTW I wish I could change my sn :(

  150. blake January 25th, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Sweet Swinging Cano says:
    January 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm
    Tex being healthy or not, makes or breaks this lineup to an extent.

    Eh….I have no expectations for Tex honestly. The biggest problem will be if he and Jeter don’t hit lefties. Right now they are really counting on those two vs LHP. This is why I’ve pushed for Baker…..he would help take some of that pressure off

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    “You really do make it hard not to love you!”

    “Aha….. proof that you are gullible. See I was right all along.”

    LMAO!!!

    Let’s face it, when it comes to gullibility, I’ve been placed in the top 1% in the nation by many many people, including those who know me well.

    But it doesn’t mean that I can’t reason things out from a distance. Usually it’s when someone is trying to sell me something tangible, or as my father used to say to me “I wish I wasn’t your father, I could be a rich man.”

    I do try to live my life, though, in a way that honors my father and his principles.

    (miss you dad. You were such a good, honest, and wise man. :( )

  152. Sweet Swinging Cano January 25th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    True, Blake but they need him healthy. I really don’t want to think about an infield with no Tex. It would be horrid. He just has to be there and he probably can hit 30 homers.

  153. Against All Odds January 25th, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    That does not equate to them being “bullied” into anything this season! Which was my point.

    ———————-

    I don’t think they were bullied in a literal sense or even figurative one but this season they gave the players what they wanted.

  154. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    “BTW I wish I could change my sn :(

    Though Robby will still have that sweet swing, I’m sure you can change your screen name if you email Chad and tell him you’d like to change. jacksquat changed his!

  155. Poetkiosk January 25th, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    It fascinates me that people with the same facts coming to opposite conclusions.

    Cano offer.

    1) Yankees didn’t want him, wasn’t a real offer.
    2) Great offer, he chose not to take it. He wanted years, oh well.

  156. blake January 25th, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    Sweet Swinging Cano says:
    January 25, 2014 at 5:25 pm
    True, Blake but they need him healthy. I really don’t want to think about an infield with no Tex. It would be horrid. He just has to be there and he probably can hit 30 homers.

    Him staying healthy and bouncing back to an .800-.830 overall ops would just be a huge boost…..huge

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    “I don’t think they were bullied in a literal sense or even figurative one but this season they gave the players what they wanted.”

    Against – maybe what those players wanted didn’t come close to straining their credibility, whereas 10 years, etc. …

    Just a thought.

  158. Sweet Swinging Cano January 25th, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    Nobody will ever agree on Cano. He is gone and that is that. On to the players who will play for the Yanks in 2014!

  159. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    “It fascinates me that people with the same facts coming to opposite conclusions.”

    Which is why I pointed out that nobody should operate under the mistaken notion that their opinion trumps all else!

    Or as my dad always said – three sides to every story: mine, yours, and the truth.

    ;)

  160. blake January 25th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    1) Yankees didn’t want him, wasn’t a real offer.
    2) Great offer, he chose not to take it. He wanted years, oh well.”

    It’s really neither of these.

    They wanted him….just not enough to do what it took to sign him. Cano wanted to stay….just not enough to leave 90 million with taxes on the table. I think the Yankees knew it was going to take more than they wanted to pay…..so they put a big offer on the table….but one that he probably wasn’t going to accept. It was the Yankees only play if they had decided they’d werent going to 10 years

  161. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    I’m putting on my gilles villeneuve snowmoble tuque, and going outside.

  162. fuji January 25th, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    “the guys on Baseball Tonight said they thought the Yanks had the best lineup in the AL East right after Robby was traded, and they said it was due to the addition of McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran. The way they stated it was that the Yanks hadn’t even added any more to their infield and they still felt the Yanks had the best lineup in the AL East.”

    i think they would have had to been on pain killers or something else to alter their rational thinking ability to say the yankees had the best offense in the al east.

    i think the yankees should be able to scrape up some runs if the right players stay healthy.

    probability wise, at least 1 yankee offensive starter will be out for the year. add in the yankees have ellsbury, mccann, jeter, teixeira, and roberts starting and who are all injury prone, and i’d say it’s likely the yankees will have at least two starters who will miss 100 games.

    i think their offense depends on who these two are. or if they get really lucky and they lose no one for say even fifty games.

    the yankee offense is not a deep one , but if nothing went wrong, they could be good. not likely , but possible.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    fuji – which offense in the AL East do you think trumps it? They seemed pretty convinced when they announced it. I didn’t stop to do an inventory, but I’m thinking they were aware of the different teams when they said it.

  164. Yankeeclipper January 25th, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    Yankees did not abandon Cano. Cano showed that he did not appreciate Yankee tradition. He will regret the move so I hope the money is to his liking. He was dumb not to get opt out clause and there are questions whether years 8-10 will pan out for Mariners.

    Yanks offset cano loss and offense is better. We can use an infielder to be long term fix at 3B, SS or 2B. Right now Drew is best option — this year he plays all 3 positions and in 2015 he is full time SS.

  165. jmills January 25th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Yankeeclipper – Jays Win ( George Bell says so! )

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