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Building a new core, one way or another

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter

This seems to be the time of year for prospect rankings, and in a way, that’s why Nick’s guest post was a pretty good fit this morning.

Prospect evaluation and player development are all about trying to find core players who bring both impact and longevity to an organization. Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte and Jorge Posada set individual standards that might be impossible to replicate — two no-doubt Hall of Famers and two borderline Hall candidates in a single farm system at the same time? — but the theory behind their significance remains universal: A young shortstop doesn’t have to become the next Jeter to play a significant role organizational success, and a young reliever doesn’t have to live up to Rivera’s standards to have done his part.

This morning, Nick write a lot about his emotional attachment to the Core Four, and there’s no doubt that’s an important part of their legacy, but most of that emotion is beside the point when trying to improve a farm system. Certainly teams want their young players to be good guys — and they love it when those young players are also well-spoken and easy to root for — but mostly a franchise is focused on finding good hitters and good pitchers.

Even the Core Four would not have been nearly as popular had those players not been elite performers.

Now that three of the four have retired, and as Jeter moves ever closer to his 40th birthday, the Yankees are trying to build a new core. Not necessarily a Hall of Fame core, but a core that will stick around for a while and have some real success. That’s what this winter’s long-term deals with Jacoby Ellsbury, Brian McCann and Masahiro Tanaka were all about. The Yankees spent nearly a half billion dollars this winter trying to build a new core of players.

Which is exactly the reason player development is so important.

As we saw these past three months or so, free agency is a tough way to build. It’s expensive, and it’s risky, and it’s hard to repeat year after year. Free agency is best used for patching holes, not setting a foundation. Prospects bring their own sort of risk, but that’s why it’s important to have so many of them. Once a prospect breaks through to the big leagues, he comes with a six-year trial period before any sort of long-term commitment is really necessary, and during those six years, a good young player is an unmistakeable bargain. The ability to spend is hugely helpful, but player development is a more sustainable approach.

Any emotional attachment that comes along the way, that’s icing on the cake.

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130 Responses to “Building a new core, one way or another”

  1. RadioKev January 30th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Anyone have the Klaw list? He seems high on Judge, mentioned him in an ESPN video, and agreed that he could play CF for a few years.

    I’d love to see Judge make it to the majors, just to see a guy that big in the outfield.

  2. exiledintampa January 30th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Where is our BU1B ??? The first time he goes two games at O fer nine with four popouts into the shift, We’re gonna hear Tex is sitting with soreness in his wrist. So who’s gonna play then? That’s the thing about Tex, I don’t trust him not to complain and sit the first time things get ruff. Jeter would crawl out there if you didn’t restrain him.They need an answer to this soon. It’s gonna happen. Tex is gonna spend time on the bench with wrist soreness. Book it.

  3. AAA January 30th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Law’s Top 10 NYY prospects and system overview:

    1. Gary Sanchez, C (68)
    2. Tyler Austin, RF (85)
    3. Mason Williams, CF (87)
    4. J.R. Murphy, C
    5. Slade Heathcott, CF
    6. Aaron Judge, CF
    7. Ian Clarkin, LHP
    8. Eric Jagielo, 3B
    9. Luis Severino, RHP
    10. Greg Bird, 1B

    What a miserable year for the Yankees on the farm. Tyler Austin, Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, Aaron Judge, Ian Clarkin and Gabe Encinas all got hurt, with Judge missing the entire summer after the Yankees nabbed him with one of their three first-round picks. For most of those guys, the injuries just meant lost years, but in Heathcott’s case, there’s a legitimate question about whether he can ever stay healthy enough to be an every-day player.

    Gary Sanchez was healthy, but just didn’t hit anywhere close to expectations. J.R. Murphy’s year was the brightest spot, as he’s going to be an every-day catcher for somebody. Greg Bird’s patience/power game could make him a second-division regular down the road. Luis Severino’s three-pitch mix might be three pluses out of the pen, and it’s a grade-65 or 70 fastball even in the rotation. However, he’s less than 6-foot, and he has to prove he can maintain his stuff over a full season when going six innings every time out.

    Their 2013 second-round pick, California prep second baseman Gosuke Katoh, had the best year of all of their high selections, tearing up the rookie-level Gulf Coast League with great plate discipline while playing strong defense.

    2014 impact

    Other than some relief help from someone like right-hander Mark Montgomery or hard-throwing and often-hurt Jose Ramirez (No. 11 in their system), the Yankees aren’t likely to give any significant playing time to rookies this year.

    The fallen

    Heathcott can’t stay healthy and had to have more work done on one of his knees after he tried to play through it all year. He couldn’t run, his reads in center were poor, and his makeup has never been his strong suit. (One scout: “He’s legitimately a crazy person.” That scout is not a real doctor, however.) Heathcott fell off the top 100 entirely, and I don’t see him returning there until he has a full, productive season.

    Sleeper

    Aside from Severino, whom I mentioned above and who could be a No. 3 starter or more if his size doesn’t preclude a future in the rotation, the Yankees have to be excited about Venezuelan catcher Luis Torrens, whom they signed for $1.3 million in July 2012. A new convert to catching, Torrens took to it extremely well, with plus hands and plus defense overall, with a good swing and feel at the plate, only lacking power but likely hitting for average with good OBP when he develops.

  4. Patrick January 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    One scout: “He’s legitimately a crazy person.”

    That can be good and bad …

  5. blake January 30th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Judge is mentioned as a breakout candidate (video link) who could jump not just into the top 100 next year, but into the top 25 with a strong season.

    http://rab.me/LejoFT

  6. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Chad-

    Enjoyed Nick’s post. It would be nice if the Yankees could have traded for a young SS this offseason. Rookie Chris Owings of the DBacks, had the Diamondbacks not traded their third baseman to the White Sox, might have provided the Yankees with the exciting young position player that they haven’t had, since the Core Four, unless you count Cano.

  7. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Good morning

    Wasn’t AJ thinking of retiring, and if not, why not return to the Pirates?

    Maddon looks to set up his Rays bullpen with pitchers with different repertoires and angles.

    What do the Yankees have? Kelley-slider, Thornton ? DRob-curve, anyone with 98 mph fastball.
    A sidearmer?

  8. Chip January 30th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Patrick January 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    One scout: “He’s legitimately a crazy person.”

    That can be good and bad …
    ———————

    I mean are we talking a John Wetteland goofball or an Elijiah Dukes sociopath?

  9. Howler January 30th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    If Heathcott makes an impact, aside from a wall, I see it more as a corner outfield spot…I guess I said a bad word in my last post…it got eaten by the censor, something generally that refers to a female dog…

  10. Chip January 30th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Blake,

    The only question with Judge is how well a guy with that big a frame deals with being pitched in. If he’s quick with the bat and able to maintain a compact stroke then he’s got the power to be something special. If he has a long swing then he’s Kyle Blanks.

  11. bigdan22 January 30th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 30th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    “Nice piece in “The Post” today where CC admits that his weight loss effected his pitching last season. . . .”

    ——

    I saw this story and I was a bit surprised. I believe this is real news because I don’t think CC has come out before and admitted that his weight loss resulted in a loss of strength. I always thought this story of weight loss “smelled” a bit. Statements by CC’s agent insisting that he hasn’t lost any weight this current off season doesn’t match the eye or smell test. I agree, I think there is a medical component to all this. I don’t believe a professional athlete would risk a loss of strength unless he had to.

    If CC doesn’t want to disclose a medical condition, that certainly is his right. But given his importance to the team and the amount of money he’s owed, this is a topic ripe for speculation and most definitely, further investigation. Would be interesting to see if the professional writers pick up on this.

  12. Chip January 30th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    I can’t think of a single reason why AJ Burnett would want to sign with the O’s.

    It’s a bad park for him on a team that will be lucky to finish 4th in the AL East

  13. exiledintampa January 30th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Aj lives in Maryland and his wife doesn’t like to Fly. Only reason I can think of. It’s been a well known fact for a long time.

  14. Mottsx January 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Is that accurate about his wife or are people confusing her with Cliff Lee’s wierdo wife?

  15. bigdan22 January 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    exiledintampa January 30th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
    Where is our BU1B ??? The first time he goes two games at O fer nine with four popouts into the shift, We’re gonna hear Tex is sitting with soreness in his wrist. So who’s gonna play then? That’s the thing about Tex, I don’t trust him not to complain and sit the first time things get ruff. Jeter would crawl out there if you didn’t restrain him.They need an answer to this soon. It’s gonna happen. Tex is gonna spend time on the bench with wrist soreness. Book it.

    —–

    Agree and disagree. Tex’s injury is not like Jeter’s. I think Jeter’s injury is career threatening. Something you might never fully recover from. I said over a year ago that Jeter (and the Yanks) was lucky he didn’t sustain that injury when he was 26 because it would have greatly effected his performance arc.

    Tex is sore from surgery. He will remain sore for a long time, but playing will not increase the risk of further injury. His surgically repaired wrist is probably safer now than ever before. He needs consistent activity to work out the soreness and build strength in his wrist.

    No, his wrist won’t be the problem. Tex will go on the DL for an oblique or something. You can book that.

  16. blake January 30th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    The only question with Judge is how well a guy with that big a frame deals with being pitched in. If he’s quick with the bat and able to maintain a compact stroke then he’s got the power to be something special. If he has a long swing then he’s Kyle Blanks.”

    Yea I mean he’s got a long swing…..the good news is that pitchers miss a lot when they try to go inside

  17. AAA January 30th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Enjoyed Nick’s post. It would be nice if the Yankees could have traded for a young SS this offseason. Rookie Chris Owings of the DBacks, had the Diamondbacks not traded their third baseman to the White Sox, might have provided the Yankees with the exciting young position player that they haven’t had, since the Core Four, unless you count Cano.

    ========================================

    YT, Martin Prado is the Diamondbacks starting 3B. He’s still there and apparently isn’t going anywhere. Most seem to think that Owings will be the starting SS for Zona, ahead of the light hitting Didi Gregorius, though that’s apparently subject to a spring training competition between the two.

  18. pkyankfan69 January 30th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Other than some relief help from someone like right-hander Mark Montgomery or hard-throwing and often-hurt Jose Ramirez (No. 11 in their system), the Yankees aren’t likely to give any significant playing time to rookies this year.
    ———-
    I would have to think Betances is more likely to grab a BP spot than Montgomery or Ramirez.

  19. blake January 30th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    @FakePeteGammons: Sources say #Yankees infield so bad team considering growing grass on basepaths in hopes no one spots them missing. This is Peter Gammons.

  20. Benny Blanco January 30th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    I think we are over-analyzing cc’s weight lost a bit. This will be the first off season where cc can do his regular routine since his minor surgery last year. I fully expect him to return to form. Let’s remember. He’s 32 not 42 years old.

  21. Hankflorida January 30th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    I was thinking of the core four and the younger generation and how they will always remember them as a unit as time goes on. Growing up, I had a core in my “yoot”, to quote Joe Pesci, and that was the great DiMaggio, Heinrich, Keller and Rizzuto.

  22. Mottsx January 30th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    CC looks like he’s 45. His wife on the otherhand looks like she’s 25 with no kids.. $161M buys a pretty hot wife.

  23. AAA January 30th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    I think we are over-analyzing cc’s weight lost a bit. This will be the first off season where cc can do his regular routine since his minor surgery last year. I fully expect him to return to form. Let’s remember. He’s 32 not 42 years old

    ====================================

    Not the age so much as it is the mileage. The days of sitting 93-94 are almost certainly gone. He’s good enough to recreate himself into a different type of pitcher, but his days as a top of the rotation workhorse are probably over.

  24. UpState January 30th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    What ages does everyone consider as “their youth (or yoot) when referring to baseball ?

    6-12 ?
    10-18 ?
    6-36 ?
    20-30 ?
    15-25 ?
    30-55 ?

    Could be tons of definitions….not sure what everybody’s thinking/describing ?

  25. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    AAA

    I thought I read that Martin Prado was going to be their left fielder.

  26. BoJo January 30th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Mottsx January 30th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
    CC looks like he’s 45. His wife on the otherhand looks like she’s 25 with no kids.. $161M buys a pretty hot wife.
    ===
    How much is one night’s rental?

  27. Ys Guy January 30th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    again, why does cc get credit for saying that he needs to adjust his game at this point in his career, but when teix says essentially the same thing people question his heart?

  28. BoJo January 30th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    How come no one ever mentions Bernie as part of the core 5?

  29. BoJo January 30th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Patrick January 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    One scout: “He’s legitimately a crazy person.”
    ===
    I had heard even last year that some talent evaluators had a problem with Heathcott’s make-up. Now I wonder if they actually meant he wears bad cosmetics.

  30. tomingeorgia January 30th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Upstate,
    My baseball “youth” was 6 to 21, when I went to war.

  31. Against All Odds January 30th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    BoJo January 30th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
    How come no one ever mentions Bernie as part of the core 5?

    ————————

    Because he wasn’t here for the 09 championship. He gets forgotten from time to time.

  32. BoJo January 30th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Thanks AAO

  33. AAA January 30th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    AAA

    I thought I read that Martin Prado was going to be their left fielder.

    =================================

    Don’t believe so. As it stands, the plan for their starting OF is Trumbo in left, Pollock in center and Parra in right, with Cody Ross as the 4th OF.

  34. AAA January 30th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    BoJo January 30th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
    How come no one ever mentions Bernie as part of the core 5?

    ————————

    Because he wasn’t here for the 09 championship. He gets forgotten from time to time.

    =======================

    Also because he was a little ahead of the other guys in getting to the bigs.

  35. Against All Odds January 30th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Also because he was a little ahead of the other guys in getting to the bigs.

    ———————

    That too but damn folks throw him a bone he can still be in the core :)

  36. Poetkiosk January 30th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Bernie gets forgotten because “CORE” doesn’t rhyme with “FIVE”. :)

  37. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    AAA

    Have to run, but thanks. Now if the Yankees could snag Prado?. :)

    Have a great day, stay warm.

  38. Chip January 30th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Bernie was also here for what, 4 or 5 years before Jeter, Andy, Mo and Jorge came up.

  39. blake January 30th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Bernie might have been the best of the dynasty players at his peak….his peak wasn’t as long as Jeter or Posada but a his best he was great

  40. Hankflorida January 30th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    Upstate, My Yoot was between the ages of 8 to 18 when I really got into the game. My father did take me to the games when I was five but was too young to appreciate the game and especially Lou Gehrig. Since I threw and batted left handed, I loved watching Tommy Heinrich play, but DiMaggio was such an extraordinary player that all the notoriety went his way.

  41. kd January 30th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    just my admittedly biased opinion, but if you look at bernie’s numbers away from the steroid era (he played in the heart of it), he’s a hall of famer.

    gold gloves, cleanup hitter on multiple championship teams, switch hitter, batting title…

    if he played clean, he just played in the wrong era

  42. Ys Guy January 30th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    bernie williams was my favorite player ever.

    bernie’s not a hall of famer.

  43. UpState January 30th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Jive rhymes with Five…..

  44. Ys Guy January 30th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    the whole ‘core four’ idea is flawed. it’s nice marketing, but misleading.

    how were bernie, paul oniell and tino, clemens, cone and jimmy key and el duque NOT core players on the teams that won?

    the 4 guys we refer to as the core 4 were not the best 4 players on any teams they played on. Each of those teams had a core that included some of those guys along with others.

  45. UpState January 30th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Hankflorida :

    Great era, great timing you have…

    Would’ve loved to see them !!!

    Congratulations !

  46. Can of Corn January 30th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    ‘I had heard even last year that some talent evaluators had a problem with Heathcott’s make-up. Now I wonder if they actually meant he wears bad cosmetics.’

    =========

    Perhaps he needs the benefits of ‘PEDS’ to as you posted yesterday ? ?

  47. Benny Blanco January 30th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    AAA,

    CC had one bad year. I would have to see more decline in his ability to convince me that the days of him being a top rotation guy are over.

  48. Patrick January 30th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    I mean are we talking a John Wetteland goofball or an Elijiah Dukes sociopath?

    Sounds like a mix of both. He had a pretty rough upbringing and at one point was going to shoot his father with a shotgun. He also has an alcohol problem. Interesting read: http://www.postandcourier.com/...../305139915

    It’s also possible that the scout is referring to his personality rather than his actions.

  49. Ys Guy January 30th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    it would seem unusual that someone would so ‘lose it’ at such a young age as cc.

    roy halladay had a fine season at age 34, but that was it, the following season he was toast.

    but the effects of so many innings on the arm are worrisome for cc.

    i expect some bounceback, but not all the way back this season.

    hard to say how long he’ll be able to hold it together though.

  50. Hankflorida January 30th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Bernie batted .297 with 287 home runs and 1257 RBI’s. They are not Hall of Fame numbers but can we rate him the third best center fielder in Yankee history behind DiMaggio and Mantle and that is “nothing to sneeze at.” I except some to take issue with me that I rate DiMag over Mantle, but as I said before, you had to see DiMaggio play center field to really understand his defensive ability and Mantle always played hurt.

  51. Jerkface January 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Bernie had a 9 or 10 year stretch of .900 OPS play in centerfield. He is a borderline hall of famer, and any hall of fame which includes Jim Rice should include Bernie Williams.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Nick Kirby – beautifully written post. I found it exquisitely and achingly poignant. (Maybe it’s not too late to add creative writing to your list of majors?) You’ve really written all of our stories, albeit with perhaps different protagonists. There’s no stopping Father Time.

  53. bbb51 January 30th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Just looked at Gosuke Katoh’s stats.

    215pa .310 .402 .522 .924

    Only rookie league but that’s a good start.

  54. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    Latest update. Always check my numbers. ;)

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Tomingeorgia 94
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/23 Chicken_stanley 95
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    1/24 Pkyankfan69 69
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/24 RayVt 108
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    1/24 Blojaldo 97
    1/25 Melkmanisinhotlanta 95
    1/25 Y’s Guy 90
    1/25 Yankinvegas 94
    1/28 blake 93/147
    1/29 Mike-Boston 96
    1/29 Can of Corn 86
    1/29 Baby Ruth 88
    1/29 rm 95
    1/29 Deal with It 90

  55. bbb51 January 30th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Said all last year I suspected CC’s weight loss could be the problem. Lost strength and throwing off balance. He needs to add strength and get used to his new body.

  56. austinmac January 30th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    I have always heard muscle weighs more than fat. Therefore, CC could look slimmer but be at the same weight. My faith in CC as a person and hard worker makes me believe he will bounce back effectively.

    On another thought, we don’t want fly ball pitchers because of the porch, and we probably shouldn’t have ground ball pitchers because of the infield. How about a guy who either strikes everyone out or only allows short fly balls. Problem solved.

  57. longtime January 30th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    Trish – put me down for 90

  58. Frankg January 30th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Nothing makes me feel as good as seeing a multi-millionaire enjoying his job and having fun. No cares in the world for him. Big smiles all around.

  59. blake January 30th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    If Bernie isn’t a HOFer then neither is Kirby Puckett, Jim Rice , and Andre Dawson

  60. mick January 30th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Yoko broke up the Beatles.

  61. Ys Guy January 30th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    ” Jerkface January 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Bernie had a 9 or 10 year stretch of .900 OPS play in centerfield. He is a borderline hall of famer, and any hall of fame which includes Jim Rice should include Bernie Williams.”

    =======================================================
    ” blake January 30th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    If Bernie isn’t a HOFer then neither is Kirby Puckett, Jim Rice , and Andre Dawson”
    ==============================================================
    i agree with both of you. however my solution to this conundrum is not to add more undeserving players into the hall of fame but rather to not make the same mistakes again.

    if phil rizzuto is a hall of famer, than half the shortstops playing today are, too, but i dont want to see phil rizzuto being applied as the litmus test of who belongs in the hall or the hall will mean nothing.

  62. mick January 30th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    There’s no stopping Father Time.
    ===================
    Undefeated.

  63. bigdan22 January 30th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Bernie to me was one of the most underrated Yankees ever. With a bat in his hand, he was almost a perfect offensive player. A rare combination, of power, patience and contact skills, made all the more lethal because he was a switch-hitter. Seemed to be aware of game situations and could almost always be expected to put tough at bat on a tough pitcher in a tough spot. A lot like O’Neill except Paul had trouble with the better lefthanders. On the bases, or in the outfield, Bernie was hit or miss. Always felt like baseball was not his first love. Nevertheless, give me 3 or 4 Bernies, and I’ll give a championship offensive team.

  64. blake January 30th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    i agree with both of you. however my solution to this conundrum is not to add more undeserving players into the hall of fame but rather to not make the same mistakes again.”

    Fair enough…..everybody has the right to decide their HOF standard and as long as it’s consistent then I don’t have a problem with it……

    my issue is that not that long ago the writers voted in Puckett on the first ballot and yet a body of mostly the same guys bounced Bernie from the ballot in his 2nd year.

    This tells me either the voters don’t know what they are doing…..or they have agendas

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Okay, I did the sort another way, using Excel. Now you can see it from greatest number of wins to least number of wins, sorted by dates of predictions. So, for example, if 4 people guess 96, and 96 turns out to be the correct number, the person guessing it first, by date, gets double the prize and everyone else guessing 96 gets the prize. So the first person to guess it will actually get triple! :) (I instituted the new double prize this year.)

    You still have up to the first pitch of Opening Day to give me a prediction or to change your prediction. You can change as many times as you want up to that time, but of course, the prediction date will also change.

    When I show you the sort from now on, it will be by numbers of wins. If you want to see the sort by date guessed, feel free to ask and I will do that sort and show you. (I can also sort it alpha by name for anyone who cares to see how our screen names look sorted in alpha order, ha ha. :) )

    _____________________________________

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/24 RayVT 108
    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    1/24 Blojaldo 97
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/29 Mike-Boston 96
    1/23 Chicken_Stanley 95
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/25 Melkman is in hotlanta 95
    1/29 rm 95
    1/23 tomingeoriga 94
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/25 Yanksinvegas 94
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/28 blake 93/147
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/25 Y’s Guy 90
    1/29 Deal With It 90
    1/30 longtime 90
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/29 Baby Ruth 88
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/29 Can of Corn 86
    1/24 PKyankfan69 69

  66. Hankflorida January 30th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    YS Guy, both Phil Rizzuto and Peewee Reese went into the Hall as old timers for the shortstop position. They both were timely hitters and were excellent fielders. We compare the greatness of players as how they compare to the other players in the era that they play. Rizzuto and Reese were the All Star shortstops for many years, and that coupled with the fact that they had many championships, only got them into the so called back door of the HOF. If half the shortstops today hit .270 lifetime and are on the All Star team ten times or have seven World Series rings, I would give them the honor of an old timer in the HOF.

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