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Not many landmarks between today and spring training

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Yankees Spring Baseball

As a way to stay on track and keep things from slipping through the cracks, throughout each winter I tend to make occasional lists of all the baseball stuff that hasn’t happened yet. Anything from award announcements to arbitration filings to roster holes that need to be filled. Occasionally I’ll post some version of those lists on the blog — I figure it’s useful information — but usually it’s for my own sort of scheduling. I want to make sure I have a handle on the things we’re waiting for and the things that are worth a few phone calls.

Because today’s the last day of January, I tried to make one of those lists. I looked back to blog posts from early February 2013 to see if there’s anything I’m forgetting about that’s inevitably going to happen in these last two weeks before spring training opens?

I wrote down absolutely nothing.

Last year, it was February 1 when the Yankees made their Travis Hafner signing official, but that was the only remotely interesting player move that happened between the end of January and the start of spring training. Pitchers and catchers were already working out by the time the Yankees made that early spring trade for Shawn Kelley, and it was several weeks into spring training before the Yankees realized they needed injury replacements in the outfield and at first base.

So on this last day of January, what are we waiting for? There’s nothing really specific, but here are three things worth keeping an eye on.

1. Risk-reward additions. The Yankees are aware of their bullpen situation, but the bulk of the winter’s go-to free agent relievers came off the board pretty early. Now the Yankees are left to sort through some scraps if they want to find a potential upgrade. So of course it’s worth keeping an eye out for those sort of moves, maybe a late invitation for a potentially useful reliever. A significant move seems unlikely, but I guess you never know.

2. The remaining high-end free agents. February is just a few hours away, and the free agent market still has a handful of pretty good starting pitchers, a couple of impact bats, and a left-handed hitting shortstop. Even if the Yankees are unlikely to sign any of these guys, raw curiosity makes the free agent market worth monitoring. There are some impact players out there who could make a real difference for someone.

3. Speaking of which… We’re also waiting for the Orioles to make a move. Baltimore hasn’t been completely quiet this winter, but Ken Rosenthal reported today that the O’s still have money to spend. A team in the division has a need for both pitching and hitting, and until we know what exactly the Orioles have in mind, we won’t have a complete picture of the American League East.

Choosing a fifth starter, getting a sense of Derek Jeter’s range at shortstop, and finding out whether Mark Teixeira can still drive the ball will have to wait until camp is several weeks old. For now, there’s no real milestone approaching. There are just these two weeks of possibility — Will the Yankees make a significant addition? Will they make a move at all? — before the one thing we’ve spent four months truly anticipating.

Pitchers and catchers, folks. It’s almost time.

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99 Responses to “Not many landmarks between today and spring training”

  1. Doreen January 31st, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    I haven’t had any time to read through the threads today, but I did read the contributions from the pinch-hitters. Both did an excellent job, but I wanted to take the time to give an extra shout-out to Carter!!!

    Great job, Carter!

    And thanks, Chad for giving Carter the gig. You’re awesome!

  2. PhiltheThrill January 31st, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Yanks haven’t made a trade yet, and I still expect them to, to address 3B, and hopefully not the pen, which they should addict themselves to home growing.

  3. RhapsodyInBlue January 31st, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Just checking in on all of today’s posts and have to agree with Doreen that Carter hit a home run. Great job Carter!!

  4. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    I had a blast opening my lunch to Carter’s mark. Kids keep the spirit of the game alive. I still have all those hockey pictures my little munk drew especially for me – priceles!!!

  5. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    Who does this re-working of, ” Cecilia ” I’m hearing? Vocally, they sound rather close; some strong acoustic guitar and Mexican horns going on.

  6. WakaTanaka January 31st, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    Jerkface,

    I completely agree that most prospects are going to fail and there’s definitely a better chance Refsynder never makes it than that he makes it in one year. Any talk about prospects being promising or their ETA has to be framed around them most likely not working out.

    I don’t think an advanced college bat really needs to break out to advance one level per year, though. He was 40% above league average in High A (at 2B). He could take a pretty big stumble in AA or even AAA and still do enough to advance.

    I’m just saying he is a promising option for 2016. IF is a weakness, but there are a few guys in the pipeline.

  7. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:39 pm

    La radio didn’t give me the artists; now its Andy Kim’s, ” Rock Me Gently “, which I used to think was, Neil Diamond.

  8. kd January 31st, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    getting pretty excited for pitchers and catchers

    will be cool to see what tanaka can do

  9. Jerkface January 31st, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    I don’t think an advanced college bat really needs to break out to advance one level per year, though. He was 40% above league average in High A. He could take a pretty big stumble in AA or even AAA and still do enough to advance.

    The problem with Refsnyders year is that he was ok but not great, and so while he may be able to advance even if he stumbles a bit it would be hard to list him as a starter. He had that great OBP but not much power, which for a college bat in A+ is disappointing, and so if he has a sub .800 OPS in AA and AAA I doubt the Yankees even classify him as starting material. Atleast out of spring training. He would have to hope for an in season call up and then impress them to hold his spot.

    To really be in the mix for a starting spot he’d have to markedly improve in harder leagues.

  10. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    Phil-

    Think there is going to be a trade huh.

    Any guesses ?

    :)

  11. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Kd, I’m so excited about spring training, I just can’t hide it. I’m interested in what Tanaka will do too, in an undercurrent kind of way :)

  12. kd January 31st, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    jmills,

    lots of questions about the yankees. jeter, tex, tanaka, will arod show up.. but a lot of those answers could be positive. they’re close to being a real contender

    maybe gloria estefan will show up to spring training just for you!

  13. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    In my conservative estimate I’ve got MT for :

    15 wins

    3.5 ERA

    Less than 1.2 WHIP

    All Star team

    Rookie of the Year

    You don’t even want to know what the less conservative projection is.

    :)

  14. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    MTU, Lucky still out there being, Sandy?

  15. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    Mills-

    He taking a break right now.

    ;)

  16. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    kd, I’ve got a Shania Twain I feel like a woman feeling,….its going to be a fun season.

  17. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    Mills-

    What’s your rotation as it stands right now ?

  18. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    MTU, give him one day’s rest, then its the show. No tomorrow…

  19. Ys Guy January 31st, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    Dickey, Morrow, Buhrle, Happ & who? Rodgers?

  20. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    …Well MTU, I’ve got a lot of maybes. If we get to the end of spring and there’s a revived Romero that will of course be great, but no banking. Morrow, Dickey, Buehrle, and then, Idunno. Drabek? Hutchinson? Stroman? Burnett? Jimenez? Carlos Santana? Happ?,…I wish him the best since he’s on my team :D

  21. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Thanks Mills.

    Just wondering.

  22. WakaTanaka January 31st, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    Jerkface,

    We’ll have to agree to disagree. Refsnyder plays a premium defensive position where you don’t need power to be passable or even necessarily to be very good. I think it’s fair to say he looks like a promising option for 2016. The Yankees are going into 2014 with a guy who has barely played in like 5 years and put up a wRC+ of 93 last season at 2B. I think they would bring in some veteran competition (as they almost always do: Womack for Cano and sort of in Fernandez for Jeter), but I don’t think it would be that crazy for them to make it effectively his spot to lose if he keeps progressing. They’ve given premium positions to guys like Cervelli (2013) and Cabrera before with mixed results, but also had some success with less touted prospects over the years.

    I’m not saying that Rob Refsnyder is an elite prospect or something, I am just saying that with guys like him, Joseph, Jagielo there is a little something in the pipeline. And, mostly, I am saying that three years before he’s even considered seems pessimistic. Things wouldn’t have to go that well for him to at least be an option, and if they do go well he could certainly claim a spot.

  23. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Prufrock posted game 4 of the ’76 WS. Figueroa pitched his insides out and Munson sure seemed aligned that they got ripped on that called ball to Tony Perez in the 8th. Thanks Pruf, Thurman, six straight hits to match, Gosselin! Hats off to Bench as well.

  24. Jerkface January 31st, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    I think they would bring in some veteran competition (as they almost always do: Womack for Cano and sort of in Fernandez for Jeter)

    But the Yankees didnt bring in veteran competition. They brought in veteran starters. Womack had to really blow and Fernandez had to get hurt for Cano/Jeter to play. Thats what I see as the likely path for Refsnyder if he keeps up a similar performance level.

    Maybe the Yankees will change their developmental policies, but they seem more likely to trust a crappy major league regular than one of their own prospects.

  25. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Sometimes things work out. My man, Tony goes down, and Derek steps in. I watched Fernandez’s final game, a final game played in Toronto digs. Class guy, and he always hit big here, until the end, Jim.

  26. Hankflorida January 31st, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    MTU, if there is going to be a trade, Gardener seems the most likely to go. Suzuki has a little over two hundred hits to reach three thousand, and I don’t see him acquiescing to a part time role. Imagine how the countdown would go over in Japan especially in 2015 with YES raking in all the profits with thebYankees extending him another year.

  27. j9d January 31st, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    I am with Doreen. Did not have time to check the blog today but what a breath of fresh air to see Carter’s take tonight. I also thought Derek’s guest post was very good too.

    Let’s all look forward to a season that will be a great watch. We can wring our hands over the gaps, but let’s figure the Yankees have got this and are very well aware of the thing we have been fretting over…they know and will deal with it.

  28. PhiltheThrill January 31st, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    MTU

    None that I know of, but they knew there was a really good chance that they would be without Alex for the year. and that they’ve been 1 bat short for a few years. Thus, now that Tanaka has precluded the need to trade for a starter, there’s probably a trade for a 3B coming up. Last time we got one was on a Valentine’s Day weekend.

  29. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Hank, Suzuki’s 3000 shouldn’t get in the way of your team’s progress. Any gentleman would step aside if need be. Ichiro should be more than content to contribute in any way. Take a chance on me ! :D

  30. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Phill, I wouldn’t be mentioning, Valentines day; historically, that can be a messy day.

  31. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    Wow, Theresa Brewer on la radio, I really have to get one of her CDs.

  32. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Reba did a great version of, ” Please come to, Boston. ” Given, Orr, I’ll be there! :D ( don’t forget, ” Turk ” Sanderson )

  33. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Thanks Phil.

    Thought maybe you heard a whisper.

    ;)

  34. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Rangers have a good pen too.

    “Bard will look to fight his way into a bullpen that is headlined by Neftali Feliz, Tanner Scheppers, Joakim Soria, Jason Frasor and Neal Cotts.”

  35. WakaTanaka January 31st, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Jerkface,

    I think that’s largely a false narrative constructed by fans.

    –Cano was 22 and had all of 240 PAs in half a season in AAA going into 2005 with an OPS of .719. He only got 114 PAs in 24 games in AAA that season and got 550 PAs in MLB. In hindsight it seems silly to block Cano with Womack, but at the time he had only an uninspiring half season at AAA under his belt.

    –Jeter was 21 with 151 AAA PAs and had started the prior season in the SALLY when the Yankees got Fernandez.

    –Melky had 247 PAs in AAA when the Yankees brought him up for good.

    –Cervelli had 75 AAA PAs and like 250 above A-ball when he came up. He hasn’t become a full-time starter, but if he were better there was a chance to replace Jorge.

    –Gardner is perhaps the most comparable to Refsnyder of recent Yankee successes as a light-hitting NCAA guy taken in a fairly early round (3rd vs. 5th). He moved a little more quickly making AA his first full season (wasn’t moving to the IF, of course), but was in MLB to stay after his 3rd full season (16 PAs in AAA his 4th full season). That would be 2016 for Refsnyder.

    We don’t really know what would have happened if guys in front of some of those guys were killing it. Of course the MLB roster situation impacts prospect promotions, though, more so for a guy like Refsnyder than a guy like Jeter. If Refsnyder produces in a full-season in AAA, he might be their best option at 2B. They may already have a strong starting 2B by then, too. We’ll have to see.

    Again, all I am saying is that Refsnyder is a promising option for 2016 in the IF. He may not make it but if he keeps progressing 2016 is the reasonable time to expect him.

  36. pete2 January 31st, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    Hankflorida January 31st, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    “MTU, if there is going to be a trade, Gardener seems the most likely to go. Suzuki has a little over two hundred hits to reach three thousand, and I don’t see him acquiescing to a part time role.”

    You mean the guy who had a 522 OPS in the 2nd half last year and misplayed a couple of balls in key situations? At that rate he would need 2 years to get 200 hits playing full time

    If he gets more than 200 PA next year I will scream.

  37. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    One thing I have – a pen ( goddess keep their arms on ).

  38. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Personally, I don’t get someone not wanting to play upon plastic Toronto stuff, given the money they’re paid.

  39. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Roger Clemens was dominant for a couple of years here, and Roy Halladay was, Roy Halladay. Roy and, Dave Stieb. Stieb put me on the map, and Roy, kept a shining beacon. Robbie was unbelievable, yet, Mr. Blue Jay, Sir David Stieb is #1!!! He got me there.

  40. Howler January 31st, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    beats the hell out of your knees, long term it can shorten your career. Over the course of a year it can be pretty painful.

  41. Howler January 31st, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Besides those gargoyles are scary watching you play…bad mojo.

  42. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Oh, btw, I love, Jimmy Key – and so do you!

  43. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Howler, Alfredo Griffen had no trouble on that concrete creation.

  44. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    One of my fond memories – Garth Iorg and Rance Mullineks in tandom at third! I also had, Buck Martinez and Ernie Whitt. Willie Upshaw from u guys was ok until, Fred McGriff.

  45. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    I am so thankful for,…Pat Gillick ( I’d be like Seattle otherwise ).

  46. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    Denver and Seattle playing in an open New York Feb 2 – perfect!!!

  47. bigdan22 January 31st, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    I’m a little late to this party I think, but based on performance to date, Refsynder is most def a potential option for the Yanks in 2015, not 2016. He’ll be in AA this year and if he kicks butt, it’s possible we may see him this year if things break right. Top prospects jump from AA to the majors all the time. Of course Refsyner (prospect industry bias again) is not a top prospect but he was very impressive last year in the Florida State League, a place not necessarily kind to hitters (apparently the lowest scoring league outside of rookie leagues). He walked 78 times and struck out 70 for an OPS of .812 in 511 PAs. As Phil used to say, “that’s not too shabby” for a middle infielder. He wasn’t so great in 2012 so who knows but he’s one to watch.

    The problem is a lot of Yankee prospects die on the vine in Trenton. That’s def a tough place to hit. Feminista and JAP need to give us some reports on this guy. Been awhile since a Yankee hit in Trenton. Well, except maybe for Almonte.

  48. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    bigdan, JAP is very busy right now, otherwise he would give you his more than excellent minor league report. Ask me how my ’83 Jays are doing! :)

  49. bigdan22 January 31st, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    jmills January 31st, 2014 at 9:03 pm
    b
    igdan, JAP is very busy right now, otherwise he would give you his more than excellent minor league report. Ask me how my ’83 Jays are doing! :)

    http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.co.....8;c_id=tor

    No matter how old I get, this stuff still gives me chills. Gibson, Chambliss, Boone, Fisk, Thompson. Too young for Maz but don’t think I’d want to remember that. :)

  50. Blojaldo January 31st, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Bababooey!!!

  51. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    bigdan, thanks, joeltin’ joe is in my hall!

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Babysitting my niece (oh joy) but thought I’d check in with the latest update to our prediction chart. Later, all.

    _______________

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/24 RayVT 108
    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    1/24 Blojaldo 97
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/29 Mike-Boston 96
    1/23 Chicken_Stanley 95
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/25 Melkman is in hotlanta 95
    1/29 rm 95
    1/23 tomingeoriga 94
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/25 Yanksinvegas 94
    1/30 Munson15 94
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/28 blake 93/147
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/25 Y’s Guy 90
    1/29 Deal With It 90
    1/30 longtime 90
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    1/30 Your Worst Nightmare 87
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/29 Baby Ruth 88
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/29 Can of Corn 86
    1/24 PKyankfan69 69

  53. jmills January 31st, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v.....del=watch#

    Mike Bossy

  54. pete2 January 31st, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Looks like the projections are trending downwards as the post-Tanaka euphoria
    wears off and the reality of the issues in the BP and IF loom larger.

  55. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Pete-

    I was going to even think about entering one until I saw the finished product.

    ;)

  56. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    ed: wasn’t. sorry.

  57. MTU January 31st, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Anyway.

    Take it away night crew.

    See ya’ manana.

  58. bbb51 January 31st, 2014 at 11:02 pm

    I’m ready for some spring training.

  59. bbb51 January 31st, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    1/28 blake 93/147

    without/with Drew? :D

  60. Oscar Madison January 31st, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    Trisha …………….. 91 W’s in 2014 please

  61. chicken_stanley February 1st, 2014 at 12:13 am

    Just arrived home after a long long week in Boston… been a tough week hearing about the high and mighty sox… thought I’d log in to get some sense of balance from true yankee fans… alas, it appears that I’m too late. I think I’ll watch a couple of Yankeeographys on youtube… That should do the trick. Catch you guys later.

  62. Hankflorida February 1st, 2014 at 1:22 am

    pete2 January 31st, 2014 at 8:20 pm
    Hankflorida January 31st, 2014 at 7:27 pm
    “MTU, if there is going to be a trade, Gardener seems the most likely to go. Suzuki has a little over two hundred hits to reach three thousand, and I don’t see him acquiescing to a part time role.”

    You mean the guy who had a 522 OPS in the 2nd half last year and misplayed a couple of balls in key situations? At that rate he would need 2 years to get 200 hits playing full time
    If he gets more than 200 PA next year I will scream.

    It will take Suzuki two years to reach 3000 hits and the Yankees will have to extend him. I think that if he reaches it in 2015, he will go down in baseball history as the tone to reach the milestone in the shortest time at least in modern times. I just cannot see a man who has achieved so much will allow himself to be a part time player. As most of you know, I could not understand why the Yankees had two banjo hitters in the outfield last year as that was not the way of their championship teams. I grew up with an outfield of DiMag, Heinrich and Keller where they would hit 100 home runs, and last year, Gardener, Suzuki and Granderson were not expected to hit half that. I saw Suzuki as a money maker for the YES Network from the Japanese market, and the hype he got with his 4000 hits between playing in Japan and here was a reminder of his cash
    register value. Suzuki is not destined to be a fill in, so either he or Gardener has to exit the stage.

  63. pete2 February 1st, 2014 at 2:32 am

    HankFlorida. I think you may be right that Ichiro won’t be content to come off the bench. The team would be worse off trading Gardner to make room for Ichiro though.

    Ichiro is a revenue generator for the Yankees when he is starting, but probably not for YES since I believe YES broadcasts in Japan are under MLB’s domain and are shared with all 30 teams. His revenue production is mainly the Japanese fans who come to see him in games, and instadium merchandise sales and advertisements.

  64. Jerkface February 1st, 2014 at 4:14 am

    but probably not for YES since I believe YES broadcasts in Japan are under MLB’s domain and are shared with all 30 teams.

    Yup, MLB’s INTL broadcasts are a package deal and the money is distributed amongst all the clubs. They would get whatever bonus revenue from domestic YES broadcasts if more people watched because of ichiros 3000 chase.

  65. yanks61 February 1st, 2014 at 7:28 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Trisha, after a long study of all the AL East teams and after having weighed all the relevant factors I could think of, I spun the Wheel of Fortune and it’s come to a stop on 92.

    Please put me down for that.

    Thanks, Trisha.

  66. mick February 1st, 2014 at 7:31 am

    No Baker yet?

  67. TKR February 1st, 2014 at 7:35 am

    wondering they haven’t brought in a another RP who can close out games….letting DRob go this alone could be a problem if he can’t get job done..even back in 95..96 they had John Wetteland just in case

  68. Ys Guy February 1st, 2014 at 7:37 am

    bench players dont sell tickets, bench players don’t attract eyeballs.

    ichiro’s days as a ‘draw’ are over.

    the japanese market is going to follow guys like darvish and tanaka now.

    the yankees won’t lose anything by trading ichiro, but neither will another team gain anything.

    just try to find him a place where he’ll get some AB’s.

  69. mick February 1st, 2014 at 7:37 am

    2 weeks to P & C and Arroyo, Jiminez, Santana, Burnett, Drew, Baker, Frasor still out there.
    1 year deals anybody?….

  70. Ys Guy February 1st, 2014 at 7:39 am

    back in 95 & 96 Wetteland was the closer, not an insurance policy.

    rivera went into 96 as a starter.

  71. mick February 1st, 2014 at 7:39 am

    add Rodney to that list..

  72. Ys Guy February 1st, 2014 at 7:43 am

    prior to the yankees getting wetteland, howe, wickman and xavier hernandez were a pretty unsuccessful ‘bullpen committee”

  73. mick February 1st, 2014 at 7:44 am

    They should find a place for Phelps in the pen if Pineda starts.
    He could setup.

  74. blake February 1st, 2014 at 7:50 am

    mick says:
    February 1, 2014 at 7:37 am
    2 weeks to P & C and Arroyo, Jiminez, Santana, Burnett, Drew, Baker, Frasor still out there.
    1 year deals anybody?….

    And Cruz

  75. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Morales

  76. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Morning all, I was a fan of Bob Wickman, I think he was traded for Lloyd for stretch run in 96. Lloyd end up working out for 96 but Wickman end up with 260 saves. While never spectacular stats wise, he was very good in his ability to induce ground balls. kind of like AP, put lot of baserunners on but strand most of em.

  77. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Steve Howe, I remember him being effective, also as a kid, I remember thinking he be a good ‘Joker’ in a batman movie.

  78. Ys Guy February 1st, 2014 at 8:13 am

    wickman was good, i was sorry to see him go. but the closer situation now is not in any way comparable to what it was in 95 when they brought wetteland in.

    wickman never reallly was the closer. in 94 howe had more saves and the year before it was farr. that year (1993) wickman had 19 starts.

  79. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Nah, Ys, Yankees have a very good candidate for closer, it’s dudes in front of him I worry about. I see a lot invoking Uehara as example how unpredictable closer and bp construction in general can be. But Uehara was very good pitcher and it is testament of red sox piling depth more than it is luck or bp by attrition. Yanks don’t have a candidate as solid as Uehara behind Drob, this goes beyond just stats.

  80. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:19 am

    There is no question in my mind that Red Sox are operated by better baseball people than Yanks currently.

  81. mick February 1st, 2014 at 8:23 am

    I do not see them going into the season without a bona fide closer beside DRob.
    The longer this goes , the better the chance.
    Someone will take the bait.

  82. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:28 am

    In garbage diving news, I like Daniel Bard to Rangers. If he finds his big FB again, you got something there.

  83. Ys Guy February 1st, 2014 at 8:29 am

    they can have bard.

  84. RadioKev February 1st, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:16 am
    Nah, Ys, Yankees have a very good candidate for closer, it’s dudes in front of him I worry about. I see a lot invoking Uehara as example how unpredictable closer and bp construction in general can be. But Uehara was very good pitcher and it is testament of red sox piling depth more than it is luck or bp by attrition. Yanks don’t have a candidate as solid as Uehara behind Drob, this goes beyond just stats.
    —————

    Not sure what this criticism means. Uehara turned into the best reliever in the game and pitched the most innings of his MLB career at age 38. It wasn’t likely. It’s unlikely that he does it again.

    I’d take David Robertson over Uehara. And of course the Yankees don’t have a candidate as solid as Uehara behind Robertson… Uehara was the best. The Red Sox didn’t have a candidate as solid as Uehara behind Uehara. No one did.

    The Yankees don’t have a lot of experienced guys for the pen, but they have a lot of young guys who could slot into the pen. It’ll be an experiment, but I would honestly be surprised if they can’t find someone within the system.

  85. RadioKev February 1st, 2014 at 8:37 am

    We’re talking about David Phelps, Adam Warren, Dellin Betances, Chase Whitley, Mark Montgomery, Jose Ramirez. It’s very reasonable to think a few of those guys could stick.

  86. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Not sure what this criticism means.
    ——
    let me be crystal. It means i prefer some depth in what the Yanks currently have behind drob. Some experiences at setup/closer role than what the Yanks currently have after Drob. It’s not a criticism.

  87. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:45 am

    We’re talking about David Phelps, Adam Warren, Dellin Betances, Chase Whitley, Mark Montgomery, Jose Ramirez. It’s very reasonable to think a few of those guys could stick.
    ——
    in theory, you can take any AAA guys with some success and try to stick em in bp. The question here is if Drob can’t go or is not available for any reasons, who is the guy standing behind him?

  88. RadioKev February 1st, 2014 at 8:53 am

    in theory, you can take any AAA guys with some success and try to stick em in bp. The question here is if Drob can’t go or is not available for any reasons, who is the guy standing behind him?
    ———-

    It’s not ideal, but I’m sure they will create some solutions. Every team has to make adjustments to their pen throughout the season. It’s the nature of the beast.

    The Yankees were lucky to have Mo and Robertson on the same team, and they were almost luckier by how the whole Soriano deal played out. Most teams do not have an elite set up/closer combo heading into the season.

  89. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:55 am

    that’s the point kev, it’s not ideal. When you have 200 mil investment, why dealing with such uncertainty, when a mere 6 mil could have gotten you Balfour.

  90. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:06 am

    Most teams do not have an elite set up/closer combo heading into the season.
    —-
    I agree wholeheartedly with that, but the measuring stick for the NYY was never most teams. If you got an unrealistic championship goal as your motto every year and slow to restock a barren system. Then you got to spent that money to stand toe to toe with the elites.

  91. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:07 am

    *spend.

  92. fuji February 1st, 2014 at 9:09 am

    “There is no question in my mind that Red Sox are operated by better baseball people than Yanks currently.”

    john henry has always been a big fan of the game.

    hal?

    has he ever been interested in the game? as a kid or young adult?
    if so ,i’ve never read about it.

  93. fuji February 1st, 2014 at 9:13 am

    pineda could be good right away in the bullpen.

  94. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Fuji, Pineda, J.Ram, Betance are 3 guys with big FB that probably play even better in pen. I just prefer more assurance and not rely not the possibility of such, if it happens, it’s grand.

  95. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 9:19 am

    “If you got an unrealistic championship goal as your motto every year and slow to restock a barren system. Then you got to spent that money to stand toe to toe with the elites.”

    ———————————————

    Their system is not barren of RPs. In fact, they have a good number of RP prospects. I think people look at the #20 ranking plus comments about how they lack the MLB ready talent to swing a blockbuster trade and assume they just have nothing in their system. First, the Cardinals had a lot of the talent in their system that created an historical run of MLB talent production and BA ranked them in the low 20s, so those rankings are not necessarily an accurate representation of the talent level in a system. But also, they do have MLB-ready talent, just not the high end guys to get an extremely valuable guy.

    $6 million likely would not have gotten them Balfour. Reports all along said that he would only close, and as soon as he got to Tampa they said he was their closer. He probably wasn’t going to come into a competition to close with a better P, or at least likely would have demanded a premium to do so. He’s also a fly ball RHP who is better off in Tampa or Oakland than YS3.

  96. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Waka, I would offer Balfour closer job and put drob back at EIG. 6 for 12 or 2 for 14 either way.

  97. fuji February 1st, 2014 at 9:22 am

    cashmoney-

    the yankees will do everything they can to have pineda start, but if he has any problems or setbacks and has trouble getting his innings up to starting level, he’d probably be pretty nasty out of the pen.

    this wouldn’t be by plan , but is something that could happen by circumstance and need.
    papelbon wanted to be a starter. remember when he made the red sox give him a try?
    he physically couldn’t start , but could obviously close.

    this might be the case with pineda. we’ll see.
    there’s only one way to see if pineda can start and be healthy and that is to run him out there.
    we’ll see soon enough.

  98. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Fuji, we will see. I think Pineda’s stuff translate well in bp, my concern with him is I don’t know when his should will come apart.

  99. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 9:32 am

    New one ——–>

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