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Pinch hitting: Tyler Patterson

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 01, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Welcome to the weekend, everyone. And give a kind hello to today’s Pinch Hitter, who sent along charts and pictures and nearly 2,000 words of pretty significant research into advanced metrics.

His name is Tyler Patterson, and he’s a lifelong Yankees fan currently working as an attorney in Washington, D.C. This one really doesn’t need much more of an introduction. It’s extensive, and it’s well done.

THE TOP FIVE SECOND BASEMEN IN YANKEES HISTORY

Something very strange happened this offseason; the Yankees were outbid for a player they have a clear need for (although all teams need players of this caliber). This player is the best second basemen, and one of the top 10 position players, in all of baseball. Of course this player is Robinson Cano, perennial All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glover and MVP candidate. I do not need to tell you that Cano is a great baseball player. But I thought it would be interesting, as a matter of reflection to appreciate Cano’s talent (or to be slightly depressed watching him rack up his numbers in Seattle), to rank the best second basemen in Yankee history and to determine where Cano fits.

First, I think it is important to put the five players to be discussed in some historical context. When one thinks about the great “Yankee positions,” second base does not particularly stand out, at least to me. Like most Yankee fans (I imagine), I immediately think of center field (Mantle, DiMaggio), catcher (Berra, Dickey, Posada, Munson), first base (Gehrig) and right field (Ruth). But is this justified? Let’s look at the top five fWAR (Fangraphs’ WAR) totals for each position in Yankee history:

Position

Top 5 Total fWAR

Rank

First Base

231.6

4th

Second Base

216.7

5th

Third Base

178.9

7th

Shortstop

194.9

6th

Catcher

237.5

3rd

Left field

170.2

8th

Center Field

310.7

1st

Right Field

269.8

2nd

*NOTES: (1) Babe Ruth was counted as a right fielder (2) Stats courtesy of Fangraphs.

As we can see, second base places fifth behind the four positions I think Yankee fans most associate with greatness. However, no other team in history has had at least five second basemen accumulate at least 37.1 fWAR, and only one team’s top five (the Reds) beat the Yankees’ top five in total fWAR, albeit barely (220.3 to 216.7). Of course not all teams have been around as long as the Yankees have (and some have been around longer) but you get the idea. Suffice to say, second base has been an excellent position in the history of an organization that has had several excellent positions. So while second base places right around where we would expect in terms of other Yankee positions, it is important to reiterate that (1) the four Yankee positions ahead of second basemen on the aforementioned list are insanely good and include some of the greatest players of all time, and (2) the top five Yankee second basemen, compared to other teams’ top second basemen, are among the best ever.

That being said, here are some stats for my top five Yankee second basemen of all time, in no particular order:

Player

Games

HR

BsR

AVG

OBP

SLG

wRC+

Def

fWAR

Gordon

1000

153

-7.8

.271

.358

.467

121

140.1

40.1

Cano

1374

204

-4.9

.309

.355

.504

126

-10.4

37.1

Randolph

1694

48

17.6

.275

.374

.357

110

143.9

51.4

Lazzeri

1659

169

-8.2

.293

.379

.467

121

48.6

48.4

McDougald

1336

112

-4.5

.276

.356

.410

114

128.6

39.7

*NOTES: (1) Stats courtesy of Fangraphs; (2) These stats are what each player accumulated as a Yankee only.

Like I said before, this is more or less as good a list of top-five second basemen that any team has. Every player on this list was an above-average hitter that played exceptional defense (except for Cano). The one glaring weakness, with the exception of Randolph, is base running. This strikes me as a bit odd because second basemen are typically solid in this aspect of the game. Even still, these are five very, very good ballplayers. Now to the top five:

Gil5. Gil McDougald

Gil McDougald’s inclusion on this list is somewhat dicey because he played all over the infield save for first base (he appeared in 599 games at second, 508 at third, and 284 at short as a Yankee). McDougald is included because 1) he did in fact play most of his games at second, and 2) in my opinion, he is one of the most underrated players in Yankee history.

The Rookie of the Year in 1951 (his best season with the bat with a 142 wRC+) McDougald was a 5-time All Star and a member of the five Yankees World Series championship teams. A player with his versatility is extremely valuable to any team, and the fact that he was making his contributions to an organization in the midst of the greatest dynasty in sports history (1949-1964) is all the more impressive. Throw in his above-average bat and you have one great ballplayer.

McDougald does not rank first in any of the aforementioned categories, but he is the definition of a “jack of all trades” player: he played multiple positions and did everything well.

4. Willie Randolph

WillieMillennials like myself remember Randolph mostly (and quite fondly) from his time as the Yankees third base coach during the most recent dynasty years (and less fondly as the manager of the Mets), but he had a fantastic playing career in pinstripes as well. Representing the Yankees in four All-Star games (including in 1977, the Yankees’ first World Series title since 1962), Randolph had the reputation as a defensive wizard. The statistics back that assertion up nicely, as his 143.9 Def rating is best among second basemen in franchise history (and his career Def rating of 168.2 is ninth all time among second basemen).

Randolph is easily the best base runner of the five, with a 17.6 BsR (no other player is above -4.5). Randolph was no slouch with the bat either, although his power pales in comparison to the other four players on the list. However, it is known that on-base ability is more valuable than power, and Randolph’s .374 career OBP ranks second. McDougald and Randolph are strikingly similar players (even their fWAR/game is an identical .030) but I decided to rank Randolph higher due to his superior on-base ability.

3. Robinson Cano

CanoThe inspiration for this post, Robinson Cano checks in as the third greatest second basemen in Yankees history. A five-time All-Star and five-time Silver Slugger, Cano’s Yankee career began somewhat randomly during the team’s terrible start to the 2005 season, and he never looked back.  His 126 wRC+ is tops on the list. He also leads in home runs, batting average, and slugging.

However, his Def rating of -10.4 is easily the worst on the list (acknowledging that defensive metrics are far less reliable than offensive and base running metrics). Cano has been one of the very best players in baseball the past several years. Neither McDougald nor Randolph could claim such during their playing days. Cano has been top-5 in all of baseball in bWAR (Baseball Reference WAR) in 4 different seasons, whereas McDougald has 2 such seasons, and Randolph none.

Had Cano signed with the Yankees this offseason, he most likely would have ended up #1 on this list.

2. Tony Lazzeri

LazHall of Famer Tony Lazzeri checks in at No. 2.

In his 12 seasons as a Yankee from 1926-1937, Lazzeri played less than 123 games only once, hit at least 10 home runs in every season but two (in those two seasons, 1930 and 1931, he hit 9 and 8 home runs, respectively) and had a wRC+ greater than 100 in 11 straight seasons.

He also accumulated at least 2 fWAR every year he was with the Yankees. Suffice to say, Lazzeri was a very consistent ballplayer on same great Yankees clubs (including arguably the great of all time, the 1927 squad).

His 48.4 WAR is second on the list. Unlike Cano, Lazzeri was not one of the best players in all of baseball during his playing career, but was simply with the Yankees longer and his counting stats reflect as much, giving him a slight edge over Cano.

1. Joe Gordon

GordonCompletely disregarding my reasoning for ranking Lazzeri ahead of Cano, I decided to rank Joe Gordon,

another of the most underrated Yankees of all time, as the best second basemen in the team’s history. He, like many big leaguers in the 1940s, missed time (in Gordon’s case, the 1944 and 1945 seasons) to serve in WWII. In 1942 and 1943, Gordon put up 8.8 fWAR and 6.8 fWAR, respecitvely, and save for a 2.1fWAR season in 1946, bounced right back and put up 6.9 fWAR in 1947 and 7.1 fWAR in 1948. The point of all of this is that Gordon would have, in all liklihood, continued to dominate in the two seasons he missed, but we’ll never know.

Even though his time in pinstripes, and in baseball for that matter, was shorter than it could have been, Gordon did not disappoint when he was on the field. A Yankee for seven seasons, he was an All-Star in six of them (although his 1946 selection is a bit odd. Check out his numbers that year). In those seven seasons he accumulated 40.1 fWAR, an average of 5.7 fWAR per season. This is easily the highest per-season average of any player on this list (Cano is second at 4.1 with the other 3 each at 4.0). On a fWAR/game basis, Gordon’s .040 is well ahead of the others (McDougald and Randolph are tied for second at .030). He, like Cano, could claim to be one of the best ballplayers of his time, having placed in the top 10 in overall bWAR five times as a member of the Yankees. Gordon was an elite defender, rating second all time in Def for a second basemen. Randolph barely has him beat in terms of what they did as Yankees, but Gordon’s per-season average of 20.0 Def easily eclipses Randolphs’ 11.1. Couple his historic defensive abilities with his great bat (his 121 wRC+ trails only Cano) and you have a fantastic ballplayer and the best second basemen in the teams’ storied history.

So there is my ranking of the top five Yankees second basemen of all time. What sets Gordon apart from the rest are his per-season averages, but if you place a higher value on longer-term consistency, I suppose Lazzeri would be your guy. But no other player did more in a shorter amount of time than Gordon, alas my ranking of him as No. 1. Honestly, I could be talked into changing this list around in a number of different ways (exlcuding McDougald and including Stirnweiss and flipping Lazzeri and Gordon just to name a couple) but I think the purpose of a post like this is to try and inititate some interesting debate while admiring the careers of past Yankee greats. Like I previously stated, I think second base is an underappreciated Yankee position, but the organization has had some truly great second basemen in its history.

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136 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Tyler Patterson”

  1. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Will be waiting for Hankinflorida to agree or disagree. This is his domain.

  2. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Intense post!

  3. pkyankfan69 February 1st, 2014 at 9:36 am

    These stats saying Cano was a below average defensive 2B is exactly why I don’t put much stock in defensive metrics…. Cool post though.

  4. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Great job but my eyes glazed over w. all the stats.

    This is a post for guys like JF.

  5. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:42 am

    I have seen an aging Randolph, Sax, Pat Kelly, Chucky, Womack then Cano.

  6. UpState February 1st, 2014 at 9:44 am

    Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 8:07 am
    Steve Howe, I remember him being effective, also as a kid, I remember thinking he be a good ‘Joker’ in a batman movie.

    =====================

    Isn’t he in “Yes” ?

  7. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 9:45 am

    “Waka, I would offer Balfour closer job and put drob back at EIG. 6 for 12 or 2 for 14 either way.”

    You would likely be hurting your team in the long-run to get marginally better for one year.

    Balfour is unlikely to post the same ERAs playing half his games in YS3 as he did in pitchers parks like Tampa and Oakland. He is a fly-ball RHP who has significant home/road splits. In 2013 his ERA was 1.5 points higher on the road, in 2012 it was 3.5 points higher, 1.5 in 2011, no split in 2010, 1.5 in 2009, 1 in 2008. There is an inherent home field bias due to umpires’ natural aversion to upsetting the home crowd, but Balfour has been a significantly less effective P outside of his home parks. Parks that happen to be conducive to fly ball Ps. YS3 is one of the worst parks for a RH fly ball P to call home, though at least he doesn’t have a platoon split. He might be a ~3.5 ERA guy in YS3, though, compared to ~2.5 in a P’s park. At worst, a 3.5 ERA is probably not much better than what the Yankees will get from Kelley (whose FIPs the past two seasons are at 3.5), Thornton (whose 3.7 ERA was his highest since 2007), and whoever else wins a key BP role. Plus at 36 he’s not likely to get any better or to be someone you resign in 2 years to remain your closer.

    DRob is a free agent next year. If you tell him he’s going to have the chance to compete to close only to take it away to let an inferior P close, there’s a good chance that you push him away to sign with a team that will let him close.

    So, you gained a little certainty on paper. You didn’t necessarily make your team any better in 2014, though. In 2015 and the next few years after that you likely made your team worse.

  8. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Morning MTU, you wRC+ bigger than mine?

  9. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 9:47 am

    They try and do metrics in hockey and my Leafs are horrible at them, but somehow win more than their share anyways. I’ve now accepted that being badly out shot every game is a general state of affairs. There are no comfortable victories here, and the announcers routinely sound on the verge of heart attacks. Maybe part of the reason for success is the quality a player like Kessel ( exciting component of your Olympic team ) brings – he requires fewer chances to make it happen.

  10. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:49 am

    So, you gained a little certainty on paper. You didn’t necessarily make your team any better in 2014, though. In 2015 and the next few years after that you likely made your team worse.
    —-
    Waka, I don’t think Yanks think ahead. I do agree you on gaining little certainty for 14, cuz i think that’s the only thing that matters to Yanks. On Drob, I think if you show him the money he will go whatever, just show him the money. I am sure they can trade Balfour on a short term contract in a blink of an eye.

  11. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Cash-

    I’m afraid I don’t get you.

    A little slow on the uptake this AM.

  12. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:50 am

    MTU, an ill attempt at humor at your stat wariness.

  13. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 9:53 am

    Cash-

    I actually like some of them.

    WHIP, ERA+, OPS, WAR.

    But most just make me drowsy.

    Seems like a nice hobby for a wannabe Mathematician.

    :)

  14. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 9:54 am

    MTU, don’t worry about being slow on the uptake, ” I’m lying in bed just like Brian Wilson did ” – I have to make my way to the coffee maker.

  15. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Mills-

    You need someone to serve you.

    :)

  16. mick February 1st, 2014 at 9:55 am

    No Love for Bobby Richardson?

  17. RadioKev February 1st, 2014 at 9:55 am

    I agree wholeheartedly with that, but the measuring stick for the NYY was never most teams. If you got an unrealistic championship goal as your motto every year and slow to restock a barren system. Then you got to spent that money to stand toe to toe with the elites.
    ———–

    Meh. Money doesn’t help you much in the pen. Yes, there are some elite guys you can pay, but most of the time teams are overpaying relievers for unpredictable production. You can’t just buy a Mo. You can’t just buy a Robertson. Those guys don’t come around often, and none of those guys were available this offseason.

    The Yankees have some talent in the system that can slot into the pen. They’ll see what works. The Yankees didn’t have an elite set up man heading into 2009, but Hughes worked out nicely by the end.

    It’s a question mark, but beside for the really lucky years, most years teams have question marks in their pens. That’s the reality of baseball.

  18. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 9:59 am

    be back in a bit, Waka, good point on Balfour fly ball tendency and YS3.

  19. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:00 am

    You can’t have 2 long men clogging up your bullpen so Phelps and Warren cancel each other out.

    Phelps , if not the # 5 starter, has to be given a more prominent job in the pen, other than middle relief.

    I would give him a shot to setup.

    If Pineda isn’t ready for more than 5 innings , they could flip flop the 2.

  20. pkyankfan69 February 1st, 2014 at 10:02 am

    I don’t mind that the Yankees are seemingly going to go largely from within to fill out the BP but I would have liked 1 more proven back end arm to go with Drob (Nathan/Wilson/Balfour/etc)…

    Right now we only have 3 of probably 7 spots full… Drob/Kelley/Thornton

    Probably 1 of Phelps/Warren as the long man

    That leaves 3 spots for Claiborne, Betances, Cabral, Montgomery, Ramirez, Whitley, etc… (too bad Khanle is gone)

    Drob – Kelley – Thornton – Betances – Claiborne – Montgomery – Warren — Would have a chance to be good but there is without question a lot of uncertainty… Yanks will need 2-3 of their minor league relievers to really step up and fill open voids.

  21. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:03 am

    MTU, that would have its benefits, but would result in a large sacrifice in personal space. Thus, ambient house plants; I don’t even want a dog or cat staring at me when I get home, and I have no room for a god. Away world, away…

  22. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Meh. Money doesn’t help you much in the pen. Yes, there are some elite guys you can pay, but most of the time teams are overpaying relievers for unpredictable production.
    ——-
    kev, in Balfour you are not really overpaying and he has a track record.

  23. yankee21 February 1st, 2014 at 10:04 am

    Trisha

    Please put me down for 89 wins. Thank you.

    If they acquire some credible late inning BP help and beef up the IF, I’ll revise my win prediction upward.
    As it stands now they have spend nearly 1/2 BIL to help put butts in the seats and compete but by no means are they a lock for anything other than they should be in the hunt.

  24. fuji February 1st, 2014 at 10:06 am

    i’m not sure i see the point of all the advanced metrics when cano would have clearly been the yankees greatest second baseman ever by far had he kept playing with the yankees.

    i think the post misses the forest for a too close look at the trees.
    too much detail and not enough overview.

    if the question is, given cano’s cut off stats because he left, who piled up the most stats as a yankee i can see the conclusions more, but i’m not sure how much i care about an abbreviated comparison. career wise, i think cano’d stats will be much better than any of the others.

    what i care about is that cano was the best second baseman that the yankees have ever had and they let him get away.

    i can see arguing lazzeri over cano, but when cano’s career is over he’ll probably have 3000 hits.
    lazzeri had 1800. to me , it’s just common sense that cano is at a different level.

  25. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:10 am

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fE3mFOwUxdk

    Brian Wilson song.

  26. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 10:10 am

    Cashmoney,

    Agree to disagree I guess.

    I definitely think that the Yankees plan ahead. If you want evidence, look no further than all the one year deals in 2013 to keep the door open on 189. I think that every single MLB team plans ahead. These are billion dollar organizations with professionally trained staff.

    DRob is a really competitive guy and we have seen far inferior FA RPs this off-season saying that they will only sign somewhere to close.

    The main point of my argument is that Balfour is a fly ball P with strong home/road splits, who is likely to take a step backwards in YS3. If he were actually likely to have a 2.5 ERA for the Yankees, I’d be more inclined to add the short-term certainty.

  27. RadioKev February 1st, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Cashmoney,

    Balfour certainly would have been the guy to go get. I don’t know if his wrist/knee stuff was enough reason to back off or not. We’ll see if he holds up.

    During Girardi’s tenure, the bullpen, outside of Soriano (and Mo of course), has been relatively low-cost, built from within and with some good trades. I have enough faith in the organization to keep on going with that formula. It’s mostly worked.

    They could still make some moves to add another bullpen guy. Minor league deals, waiver adds and trades.

  28. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Come on hold my hand
    I wanna contact the living
    Not sure I understand
    This role I’ve been given

  29. yankee21 February 1st, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Cano was the best 2B I’ve seen for NY since following the Yankees since the 80s. I can’t speak for anything before that other than looking up stats.

    Both NY and Cano put money ahead of him staying in NY. Business decision by both sides.

    Good riddance Cano and bad job by NY getting only a lousy Draft pick for an elite player.
    They could have got so much more had they had the courage to make a damn decision either to go the distance with Cano or move him in a package last winter or the winter before.

  30. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:15 am

    Joeman-

    :)

  31. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:18 am

    Bobby Richardson had 5 Gold Gloves, was a 7 time All Star, finished in the top 20 MVP 6 times, went 33-85 or .388 in the 60-61 and 64 WS, with 3 rings.

  32. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:19 am

    joeman, I love the warm and fuzzy things you write!

  33. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:23 am

    saw Richardson play liked his style..that group of players they had at that time were always my favorite

  34. yankee21 February 1st, 2014 at 10:25 am

    The guys Girardi have mixed and matched fairly successfully during his tenure have been mostly 6-7th inning guys, with occasion gigs to relieve an over-worked or unavailable Robertson in the 8th, but that was always temporary. He always had Robertson in the 8th and Mo or Soriano in the 9th to lock it all down.

    We are now taking Robertson out of the eight and offering him the closer’s job, so Girardi will now have to mix guys into the set up role. IMO that is a big difference.

    Nobody on the current Yankees have a resume for filling the role, so Joe G will have to mix an assortment of unproven guys and have to rely on one or more of them to get big outs. Not saying it won’t work out but I don’t like the odds.

  35. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Bobby was the 1960 WS MVP, only one to win it for a losing team.

  36. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Thornton does.

    But he is most effective against lefties these days.

    He could be part of the solution.

  37. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:27 am

    If they wait long enough Rodney, he gets no respect, could be the setup man on a 1-2 year deal.
    Of course, he’d have to straighten his cap.

  38. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Mick-

    And shave that pathetic excuse for a beard.

    And cut the antics.

  39. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:29 am

    MTU

    He would.

  40. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:29 am

    yankee21 February 1st, 2014 at 10:25 am
    The guys Girardi have mixed and matched fairly successfully during his tenure have been mostly 6-7th inning guys, with occasion gigs to relieve an over-worked or unavailable Robertson in the 8th, but that was always temporary. He always had Robertson in the 8th and Mo or Soriano in the 9th to lock it all down.

    We are now taking Robertson out of the eight and offering him the closer’s job, so Girardi will now have to mix guys into the set up role. IMO that is a big difference.

    Nobody on the current Yankees have a resume for filling the role, so Joe G will have to mix an assortment of unproven guys and have to rely on one or more of them to get big outs. Not saying it won’t work out but I don’t like the odds.
    ————————————————————
    DRob deserves a shot at the closers job, but there were closers out there that were FA who could have been signed for a couple of years just in case…they really needed to bring a strong 8th-9th inning RP this could bite them

  41. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:30 am

    Madsen might be worth taking a flyer on if he proves he’s healthy.

    He’ll be putting on a showcase this week for interested teams.

  42. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:31 am

    I just can’t compete in this discussion. After Alomar, its Damaso Garcia ( nice Gillick pick up from you guys ), but then, things decline quickly. I remember someone named Pedro Garcia being my second baseman in the ’77 expansion season. I did like Aaron Hill.

  43. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:31 am

    According to Michelle no one has offered Baker a ML contract.

  44. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:32 am

    MTU

    They get Baker and Rodney and our spirits would be lifted.

    Drew would be more of an every day player than Baker, which would be what they need.

    I’d get em all but Hal is back to penny pinching mode, unless he is sure we get some if he waits.

  45. Tar February 1st, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Nicely done Tyler, thanks.

    I personally don’t see the negative in Cano’s defensive play. I know what the stats say, but strongly disagree with them. So any ranking that includes defensive metrics is suspect IMO. Thanks for the post.

  46. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 10:33 am

    “i can see arguing lazzeri over cano, but when cano’s career is over he’ll probably have 3000 hits.”

    It’s definitely possible, but he’s going to have to age very well to get to 3000 (he’s just over half way there at 31). I don’t know if I would say he’s probably going to get there.

    It’s just as easy, probably easier, to argue that Gordon would have had several more elite seasons for the Yankees had he not gone to war as that Cano will continue to be elite for several seasons into his 30s. Gordon missed his 28 and 29 year old seasons and had an uncharacteristically bad 31 year old season before regaining form as an elite 2B at 32 and 33 (in Cleveland). There’s a good chance we’d be adding ~19 fWAR to Gordon’s Yankee total for 1944-46 and maybe another 15-20 after that if they don’t trade him if he doesn’t struggle to re-adjust in 1946.

  47. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:33 am

    when will Aroldis Chapman become a FA ?

  48. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Mick-

    2 weeks or so left to finish the job.

  49. fuji February 1st, 2014 at 10:33 am

    “Bobby Richardson had 5 Gold Gloves, was a 7 time All Star, finished in the top 20 MVP 6 times, went 33-85 or .388 in the 60-61 and 64 WS, with 3 rings.”

    …yeah, he should have been mentioned for sure. when i think of yankee second basemen i think of him first . the yankees of mantle maris days wouldn’t have been the same without him. of course he was there during my childhood so there’s that, but he was really a good player.

  50. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Why would any team offer anybody anything at this point and why would it change?

    These guys will still be available at ST and take what they can get.

    They won’t sit it out, that’s for sure…

  51. RadioKev February 1st, 2014 at 10:34 am

    You live with uncertainty in the bullpen. Rivera, Robertson, Hughes, Logan, Kelly, Wood, Ayala, plenty more guys, turn into dependable pieces. Plenty of free agent relievers bust. The bullpen is an unpredictable piece of a team, but you hopefully find the right combination with quality depth.

  52. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:35 am

    joeman-

    2017

  53. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Yankees should be all over Kimbrel.

    The Braves will not be able to afford him after this season.

    ;)

  54. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Bobby Richardson had one of the greatest fantasy camps ever. Anybody who wanted to relive the Camelot years of the early 60′s went there. Truely a good guy.

  55. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:37 am

    don’t think Cano gets to 3000 hits….he needs 1400 + ….lets average that out to 200 hits in the next 7 years, while he only has 200 hits twice in the last 9 years..again don’t see it

  56. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Madsen, Harahan, Bailey.

    Any one of these guys might be worth a shot if the cost is low enough.

  57. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:39 am

    joe, maybe Cano will turn into Molitor, no?

  58. trebek29 February 1st, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Bobby Richardson put a career 6.3 fWAR in over 1400 games. He was not very good and not even close to being in the top 5.

  59. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Offer Baker a 1 year ML deal w an option.

    Bet he grabs it.

    Better than anything else he’s been offered.

    ;)

  60. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Yanks had better think hard about DRob’s FA next year.
    Get Rodney on a 2 year deal , he could be the closer this or next year.

  61. KennyH123 February 1st, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Outstanding post. Very well thought out and written. Joe Gordon is easily one of the most underrated players, let alone Yankees, of all time. Gordon was a two time MVP in the AL, and a slugging 2B well ahead of his time. A right handed HR hitter, Gordon was hurt by the original Yankee Stadium’s ridiculous Death Valley dimensions… 407′ to LF, 457′ to LC, 461′ to CF, yet still put up impressive numbers. Joe Gordon was also, by all accounts, a brilliant and acrobatic defensive 2B. He lost 2 prime years, too, in military service.

    He was a magnificent ballplayer and just doesn’t get the recognition he deserves. 9 time All Star, 5 time World Champion, he finally got a well deserved election into the Hall of Fame in 2008… 58 years after his retirement.

  62. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Any one of these guys might be worth a shot if the cost is low enough.
    =========================
    Why is this still an issue?
    Get the best man for the job.

  63. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:45 am

    jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:39 am
    joe, maybe Cano will turn into Molitor, no?
    ———————————————-
    don’t see it, I can see Cano falling off in 3-4 years

  64. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 10:46 am

    only if Rodney straightens out the cap

  65. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:47 am

    I have no idea what WAR means, but understand that Stieb crushed Morris over it.

  66. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Mick-

    You’ll have to ask Hal that one.

    ;)

  67. DONNYBROOK February 1st, 2014 at 10:49 am

    When it comes to compiling lists of Best “Whatever” In Yankee History, that list should be confined to players the author of said list has ACTULLY SEEN PLAY MLB. That way, players like Gil McDougal are NOT included, while others like BOBBY RICHARDSON Omitted. A person’s memory is Far better than merely digging through numbers. The Omission of Bobby Richardson, (Not even a mention), while including a player that was at 2B ALL of 599 games, DQ’s the list above.

  68. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Rodney, no doubt, is looking for a 3/30 deal like Nathan got.
    No team will give that.
    I doubt we give half that over 2 years.

  69. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Doony, I understand what you’re saying, but it does limit the pool severely for most of us.

  70. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 10:53 am

    mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:42 am
    Any one of these guys might be worth a shot if the cost is low enough.
    =========================
    Why is this still an issue?
    Get the best man for the job.

    —————————————————-

    Cost is always an issue.

    It’s not obvious who the best man for the job is. The guys mentioned in the post you responded to are all coming off injury and/or terrible performance. The other options are coming off good performance, but there are serious questions about their ability to continue that performance. Rodney saw his ERA jump almost 3 points from 2012 to 13 and had a career ERA of something like 4.5 before the last two seasons. As a 37 year old RP with a volatile attitude, he could turn into a pumpkin as easily as continue to be a reliable RP outside of Tampa in a set-up role. Balfour was a fly ball P with huge home/road splits. The Yankees have a bunch of internal options who could easily be as good as or better than those guys.

  71. trebek29 February 1st, 2014 at 10:55 am

    DONNYBROOK

    So you’re saying that someone can’t say Babe RUTH is the best baseball player in Yankee history if they have not seen him play? Confining opinions to only players you’ve seen in person is pretty dumb.

    And yea simply “digging through numbers” is a terrible way to analyze baseball players.

    Speaking of numbers and Bobby Richardson, if you actually looked at stats you’d see that he does not even come CLOSE to the 5 players mentioned above. But Tyler didn’t see any of them play (save for Cano) so what the hell does he know, he only has their career stats to go by.

  72. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Thing is, with DRob in the closer role, we are not giving closer money to anyone.
    Not even DRob.
    In Hal’s mind this is a win-win.
    Sort of like the 189 trick.

  73. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:55 am

    More concerned about the IF than the Pen.

  74. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Sorry, I meant to say, ” Donny ” – no offense meant, this blackberry, this little Tom and Pat Underwood, gets to me.

  75. blake February 1st, 2014 at 10:57 am

    @hill_scott: The great Henry Aaron, who turns 80 this Wednesday. Note the large, heavy bat. #Braves http://t.co/mOZXxJQpCK

    Love this pic….

  76. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Hammerin’ Hank.

    :)

  77. mick February 1st, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Hank looks like Soriano in that pic.

  78. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Calling McDougald a 2B is a bit of a stretch. He is perhaps the greatest utility player in Yankees history but he only appeared at 2B in 599 games. that’s less than 45 percent of his games.

    Lazzeri had the greatest overall career. Gordon was probably best all around player and Cano was the best offensive 2B.

    From the 2B I’ve seen it would be Cano, Randolph, Richardson and Horace Clarke. Can’t include Knoblauch with his yips.

  79. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Hank never hit 50, but it was 40 something over and over again…

  80. mick February 1st, 2014 at 11:00 am

    More concerned about the IF than the Pen.
    ===========================
    IF defines our IF as of now…

  81. mick February 1st, 2014 at 11:01 am

    From the 2B I’ve seen it would be Cano, Randolph, Richardson and Horace Clarke. Can’t include Knoblauch with his yips.
    ==================
    Lets not forget Steve Sax.

  82. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 11:02 am

    And yes, I know Horace Clarke wasn’t any good…. neither were most Yankees 2B over the last 40+ years.

  83. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Donny,

    I would strongly disagree with that. Human memory is infamously unreliable and necessarily biased. Bobby Richardson played on some great teams and was overrated based on the metrics used in that era, but he was not actually a good player. Both perception at the time and memory now are almost definitely warped by his playing on a team with several HOFers and other All-Star caliber players.

    Furthermore, if we’re restricting it to players we’ve seen then we have to ignore many great players. Almost none of us could talk about Babe Ruth, for example. To have been at least 18 during his best seasons you’d be over 110 right now.

    You’d have to be 76 or older to have been an adult in McDougal’s best season. 80 or older to have been an adult his whole career.

  84. DONNYBROOK February 1st, 2014 at 11:05 am

    - jmills -

    Yeah, I understand that, but we All have to start somewhere in actually appraising the value of 1 player in a TEAM oriented sport. To me, it is FAR BETTER to say “the best Yankee “whatever” I ever saw”, than to just throw numbers out there. It also puts your baseball acumen in front of Everyone in the room, which prompts discussion and debate.
    I would Never claim Ruth to be the Best Yankee or any of that rot. Especially knowing the Fits he put McCarthy and the Yankee Hierarchy through vs this ongoing A-Rod Mess.

  85. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Hank Aaron hit 40+ eight times, 39 twice and 38 once.

    Interestingly he only led the league in HR 4X, RBI 4X and OPS + 3X.

  86. blake February 1st, 2014 at 11:07 am

    mick says:
    February 1, 2014 at 10:59 am
    Hank looks like Soriano in that pic.

    Yea he does….wirey strong. That’s a big bat

  87. mick February 1st, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Aaron wasn’t even considered a HR hitter in his day.
    A great all around ballplayer who did it all.

  88. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 11:09 am

    “From the 2B I’ve seen it would be Cano, Randolph, Richardson and Horace Clarke. Can’t include Knoblauch with his yips.”

    I would probably put Soriano above Richardson or Clarke. His tenure was short lived, but he had two seasons that were far better than any of those guys’ seasons. Longevity can be important, but if you’re essentially a replacement level player for a long period you’re not adding any value over, well, a replacement player taking your spot.

  89. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Aaron was not only a great player but a very, very fine Man.

  90. DocTodd February 1st, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Trisha

    Please put me down for 93 wins….thanks!

  91. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 11:14 am

    If Soriano’s 559 games at 2B for the Yankees is enough, then put McDougald back on the other list. Four seasons isn’t enough in my book, but to each his/her own.

    Replacement level players DO have value. It’s better than having a BELOW replacement level player at that position…. like the Yanks at C, SS, 3B and DH last year. they make the post-season if they just have average performances from those four positions.

  92. mick February 1st, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Comparing McDougald and Richardson in their primes at 2B would eliminate Gil in a heartbeat.
    Gil was more a Phil Linz type, jack of all trades.

  93. DONNYBROOK February 1st, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Part My problem with appraising players like Aaron, is normally the only times I got to see them play was on the Saturday Game Of The Week with Curt Gowdy. I grew up in SoCal so I did see them in person 1 or 2 times, but that Limited exposure in front of my own Baby Blues was it.

  94. RhapsodyInBlue February 1st, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Enjoyed your post Tyler, very well done.

  95. fuji February 1st, 2014 at 11:16 am

    richardson was a good player.

    all those all star teams and gold gloves he won says that.

    plus he fit in like a glove to those yankee teams.

    …everyone couldn’t be a super star. it takes the brosius type player to make a team. you can’t have all star players. some solid really good ones who what it is to be a yankee matters too.

  96. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 11:17 am

    Steve Sax
    I remember when the Dodgers moved Pedro Guerrero to third base. A reporter asked him if he was scared when the ball was hit to him. He said yes. He was then asked if there was anything that scared him more. He said, “when they hit the ball to Steve Sax.”

  97. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Thing is, with DRob in the closer role, we are not giving closer money to anyone.
    Not even DRob.
    In Hal’s mind this is a win-win.
    Sort of like the 189 trick.

    ————————————————————————

    I don’t think there’s a single person in the world who wouldn’t rather spend less money to get the same results. That doesn’t mean that he wants to spend less money to get inferior results.

    Robertson is making $5 million this year and Balfour $6 million, so it’s hard to say that not paying someone like a closer is why they passed on Balfour. Rodney is probably getting less. Not paying a 36 year old fly ball P whose ERA could jump a point as a Yankee… now that might be a reason. (And a point in ERA over 65 IP is 7 runs, so it only takes a few fly ball outs with a man on all season turning into HRs for Balfour’s ERA to jump a point.)

  98. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 11:19 am

    “Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical.”

    :)

  99. mick February 1st, 2014 at 11:24 am

    ————————————————————————

    I don’t think there’s a single person in the world who wouldn’t rather spend less money to get the same results. That doesn’t mean that he wants to spend less money to get inferior results.
    ==============================================
    Well then I guess they were against the R. Soriano contract but that worked out well for them.
    To not get insurance for DRob, as Soriano was, is all about the money.
    While 189 is dead, frugality isn’t. It’s not about being foolish with money, its penny wise pound foolish.
    I am sure they will make a move for somebody but ONLY on their terms.

  100. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Exile, lol, hiarious story about Sax!

  101. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 11:34 am

    “There are lies, damned lies and statistics.”

    :)

  102. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 11:36 am

    “If Soriano’s 559 games at 2B for the Yankees is enough, then put McDougald back on the other list. Four seasons isn’t enough in my book, but to each his/her own.”

    I never took McDougald off any list. My point is that you have to balance quality and quantity. To be, having a 5 WAR player for 2 seasons is much more valuable than having a guy who compiles a grand total of 6.3 WAR over a decade.

    McDougald himself ended up with almost 40 career WAR, and almost half of that came at 2B. He was a much better baseball player

    “Replacement level players DO have value. It’s better than having a BELOW replacement level player at that position…. like the Yanks at C, SS, 3B and DH last year. they make the post-season if they just have average performances from those four positions.”

    Their value is very limited. Especially because you get basically 1 WAR just for playing a full season at replacement level and Richardson routinely failed to reach 1 WAR. Assuming that the Yankees couldn’t average replacement level play at 2B for the decade or whatever that Richardson played is very pessimistic.

    Stewart was above replacement level at C, by the way.

    “richardson was a good player.
    all those all star teams and gold gloves he won says that.”

    They say that he was generally regarded as a good player at the time. Derek Jeter also won multiple GGs, and he was one of the worst defensive SS of his era. It’s a popularity contest, not so much a thorough analysis of a player’s ability. Playing a prominent role on a team with Mantle, Berra, Howard, Ford, etc., etc. is going to make you more popular.

    “…everyone couldn’t be a super star. it takes the brosius type player to make a team. you can’t have all star players. some solid really good ones who what it is to be a yankee matters too.”

    Brosius averaged about 3 times as many WAR per season as Richardson and had a 5 WAR season in 1998. The role players are part of the reason you win, but they are far more easily replaced than the stars who are actually driving the success.

  103. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Well then I guess they were against the R. Soriano contract but that worked out well for them.
    To not get insurance for DRob, as Soriano was, is all about the money.
    While 189 is dead, frugality isn’t. It’s not about being foolish with money, its penny wise pound foolish.
    I am sure they will make a move for somebody but ONLY on their terms.

    —————————————————————

    I am very confused by your logic here. Ownership pushed through the Soriano signing. Cashman has gone on public record saying he would not have signed Soriano. The same guy you are accusing of being cheap to the point of purposefully hurting the team is the one who signed Soriano when his own head of baseball ops told him it was a waste.

    You are assuming that the external options are better “insurance” than the internal options. I think you are underrating the internal options. The Yankees have some solid veteran options and several strong RP prospects.

  104. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 11:44 am

    I got 95 in U stats ( pad your marks ’cause calculus and physics were deadly ), but can recall little regarding deviated standards. I suppose teams hire PhD’s on the subject?

  105. trebek29 February 1st, 2014 at 11:44 am

    WAKA

    Amen. The love for Richardson is clearly the case of nostalgia overtaking logic. There is just no argument you can possibly make to claim that he was improperly excluded from the top 5 list. He simply was not a very good baseball player. I said this above, but he accumulated 6.3 fWAR in a little over 1400 games. That is just bad. Like him because he was popular/ a great guy if you want, but again, not a very good ballplayer.

  106. blake February 1st, 2014 at 11:44 am

    I think it’s interesting that the Red Sox essentially ruined Bard just as much as the Yankee ruined Joba yet you never hear about that…..bard hasn’t been the same since they tried to make him a starter…..

  107. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 11:46 am

    Blake-

    The Sux NEVER do anything wrong.

    You know that !

    ;)

  108. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Bard got blown up real good here one afternoon.

  109. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 11:50 am

    http://ow.ly/i/4sv9N

    What great young men they were.

  110. comet February 1st, 2014 at 11:52 am

    IMO Hank Aaron has to be considered as one of the best 5 players ever to play the game.

    He was exceptional for so long. The Gordie Howe of baseball.

    Aaron also played in era of pitcher dominance.

  111. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Hi, comet, snowing again and I have to do errands. I was thinking the Howe reference as well.

  112. PhiltheThrill February 1st, 2014 at 11:54 am

    One of the things the great Yankee 2B’s have done is turn DP’s. Randolph and Cano are the ones I’ve seen, but Gordon was a wizard at it according to people who saw him. If you remember Soriano playing second — not so much.

    Also, Bill James used to say that Casey Stengel was a genius because he had Berra and because McDougald could play anywhere and be an elite defender. His offense went South after he almost killed Herb Score with a line drive. He did something to him and people say he was never the same hitter thereafter.

    One of the reasons why Lazzeri wasn’t considered one of the best in the game was that he was on the same team as Babe and Lou who were the best players of his time.

    Interestingly, I think only McDougald played his whole career with the Yanks. The rest of our great 2B’s played elsewhere. Made me sick to see Willie Randolph wear any other uni, just as it will Cano.

  113. PhiltheThrill February 1st, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Hank Aaron didn’t get on base like one of the 5 greatest players should.

  114. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I remember when the Dodgers moved Pedro Guerrero to third base. A reporter asked him if he was scared when the ball was hit to him. He said yes. He was then asked if there was anything that scared him more. He said, “when they hit the ball to Steve Sax.”

    *************************************************************************

    Great story, but not quite accurate. The alleged situation was in the Dodgers clubhouse after a error-filled loss and Lasorda asked Guerrero (who was horrible at 3B) “What the hell are you doing out there?”

    Guerrero responded, “I pray to God they don’t hit the ball to me.”

    Incredulously, Lasorda basked, “Is that it?”

    And Guerrero answered, “I also pray they don’t hit it to Steve Sax.”

    The club house cracked up… meeting over.

    To my knowledge no one on the Dodgers ever confirmed the story, and the reporter, of course never divulged his source.

  115. mick February 1st, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Interestingly, I think only McDougald played his whole career with the Yanks. The rest of our great 2B’s played elsewhere.
    =====================
    not bobby.

  116. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 11:58 am

    We made it to Feb.

    Only a couple more weeks to go.

    Mercifully.

    :)

  117. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    MTU, it might be a few more months here – no bugs!

  118. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    86 thanks. I was going off memory. not a good thing for an old man to do. But, when I saw Steve Sax name, I had to tell that story. Thanks for setting it straight.

  119. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    The pitching dominated era ended in 1968 with significant rules changes. Aaron hit 245 HR (roughly one-third) after that season during which he turned 34.

    His career OPS+ is 155… which is terrific, but just tied for # 22 All-time FWIW.

    OPS+ isn’t perfect, but it does a good job of letting you compare how dominant players were relative to their era, their league and their home stadium.

    Aaron was a truly great player, but it is not hard to argue he is NOT top five.

    For example, Mickey Mantle (# 6 All-Time OPS+ of 172) had 4,000 FEWER plate appearances than Aaron, yet walked 300 MORE times. Who was the more feared hitter?

  120. Against All Odds February 1st, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    blake February 1st, 2014 at 11:44 am
    I think it’s interesting that the Red Sox essentially ruined Bard just as much as the Yankee ruined Joba yet you never hear about that…..bard hasn’t been the same since they tried to make him a starter…..

    ———————

    True the thing is they have guys like Lester and and to a lesser extent Laptops to fall back on. Every team is going to screw up but when you have 1 or 2 guys that make it through the misses get pushed to the side. It’s not fair but that’s how it is especially in sports.

  121. AAA February 1st, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Only a couple more weeks to go.

    Mercifully

    ========================

    Nothing especially merciful about spring training, MTU. It’s a breath of fresh air at first, but in the end, it’s 3 weeks too long.

  122. RhapsodyInBlue February 1st, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    “One of the reasons why Lazzeri wasn’t considered one of the best in the game was that he was on the same team as Babe and Lou who were the best players of his time.”

    Not to mention he played in the same era as Hornsby who belongs in the same conservation at least with Gehrig as one of that era’s best.

  123. blake February 1st, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    PhiltheThrill says:
    February 1, 2014 at 11:55 am
    Hank Aaron didn’t get on base like one of the 5 greatest players should.

    I don’t think Hank is one of the top 5 greatest players ever…..he’s in the 10-15 range for me but that’s nothing to sneeze at. He was really good for a long time.

  124. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    …Oops, I was thinking the weather. Thank little goddess for a retractable roof. Maybe if the Jays wait long enough, they’ll invent something more real than grass while maintaing monster truck events.

  125. blake February 1st, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    “True the thing is they have guys like Lester and and to a lesser extent Laptops to fall back on. Every team is going to screw up but when you have 1 or 2 guys that make it through the misses get pushed to the side. It’s not fair but that’s how it is especially in sports.”

    Sure….I think it’s just a narrative you hear all the time with Joba though. For me Joba is the most to blame for Joba’s career.

  126. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    AAA-

    At least it’s real baseball rather than endless banter.

    :)

  127. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Proximo Hilo ——–>

  128. AAA February 1st, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I think it’s interesting that the Red Sox essentially ruined Bard just as much as the Yankee ruined Joba yet you never hear about that…..bard hasn’t been the same since they tried to make him a starter…..

    ================================

    Agree. What was interesting is that they had a close up opportunity to see what a disaster he was as a starter. His 1st 45 minor league appearances were as an SP and he was awful. Really awful. Couldn’t find the plate much and when he did he didn’t miss bats. They reversed fields and made him a reliever and it worked out quite well. Well enough apparently to lead them to believe he was over whatever woes he had previously as a starter. Not so much as it ended up.

  129. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Interesting post, nice to see Randolph get some of the credit he deserves…but I don’t see Cano as the 3rd best 2nd baseman ever, and his defensive rating skews his overall ratings. It’s one of the reasons I think in the future some of the reliability of the advance metrics, and fWAR is going to be rethought in the future, the defense end is too subjective and carries too much weight.

  130. St. Pete Yankee February 1st, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Where does that terrible defensive figure for Cano come from? He has multiple Gold Gloves, covers a fair amount of ground and makes a lot of plays that no other active second baseman does. I’m a big stats guy, but I would love to know how this is calculated. As is, it seems to prove that a lot of these newly created stats, particularly defensive ones, are meaningless.

  131. St. Pete Yankee February 1st, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    RhapsodyinBlue, Hornsby ranks among the all time bests at second, not just his contemporaries.

  132. RhapsodyInBlue February 1st, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    St. Pete Yankee

    You’re preaching to the choir.

  133. RhapsodyInBlue February 1st, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    Ranks among the all time best? Hornsby is the all-time best at 2nd.

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