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Yankees postions of strength (and weakness)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 01, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Eduardo Nunez, Brendan Ryan, Robinson Cano, Mark Reynolds

As you probably can tell, I like to follow each Pinch Hitter post with a related post of my own. Sometimes the posts are intensely personal, and I let those stand on their own, but for the most part I like to build off whatever our guest posters have started.

But it’s awfully hard to follow Tyler’s post. Maybe a post about where Brian Roberts will one day fit on that list of great Yankees second basemen?

What really stood out to me was Tyler’s point about second base being kind of an underrated position in Yankees history. There have been a lot of good second basemen for this franchise (good enough that a player like Robinson Cano might be only the third-best in franchise history).

I started thinking about that same idea – positions of strength, positions of weakness – in terms of the here and now.

Right now — based on what the Yankees have on the big league roster and in the minor league system — which positions are the strongest and weakest for this team? Here’s the ranking I came up with.

Jacoby Ellsbury1. Center field
The Yankees just signed one of the best center fielders in baseball. Their roster also includes another guy who could be an everyday center fielder if necessary. Plus, they have prospect depth at the position. They have impact in the short-term, depth readily available, and significant potential coming up through the system. There are still serious questions about the ultimate impact of Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams – and we’re not sure yet whether Aaron Judge can play center – but having Jacoby Ellsbury locked up long-term helps to minimize those concerns.

2. Catcher
Some of the same things that apply in center field, also apply at catcher. The Yankees just signed multi-year deal with Brian McCann, who’s one of the best at the position. They also have plenty of big-league-ready depth in backup options Francisco Cervelli, Austin Romine and J.R. Murphy. They also have significant prospect upside in Gary Sanchez, Peter O’Brien and Luis Torrens. I’ll put catcher behind center field, though, because of questions about Sanchez’s ability to play the position and uncertainty about Cervelli, Romine or Murphy being everyday players.

3. Corner outfield
Hard to split left field and right field for something like this. Each position is largely pulling from the same group of candidates (granted, with a handful of exceptions). For now, the Yankees have three corner outfielders for two big league spots. They also have Ichiro Suzuki, with Zoilo Almonte basically big league ready (but obviously unproven). Carlos Beltran might be able to play at least a handful of games in right field for another year or two. In the farm system, Tyler Austin still has significant upside, Aaron Judge could be a big-time right fielder, and those young center fielders might have enough bat for the corners.

CC Sabathia4. Rotation
Hard to rank something like pitching depth against individual positions, but I’ll put the rotation here. Masahiro Tanaka adds a lot of long-term potential, and there’s still hope that Ivan Nova and Michael Pineda could be both short-term and long-term starters. If CC Sabathia weren’t coming off such a bad year, the rotation would rank higher. For rotation depth, the Yankees have plenty of fifth-starter types both on the 40-man and in the minor league system. Question is whether guys like Manny Banuelos and Rafael De Paula can be more than that.

5. First base
Says a lot about the current uncertainty in the bullpen, and the long-term uncertainty at the other infield positions, that first base makes it this high on the list. I’m putting it right in the middle because the Yankees have at least the potential for a well-above-average first baseman in the short term, and an impact prospect in the long term. Mark Teixeira’s wrist injury is a problem. If it weren’t, this position would rank much higher. Greg Bird’s upside gives the Yankees a potential everyday first baseman of the future (but he has a long way to go).

6. Bullpen
I’m a big believe in Dave Robertson, and the Yankees have quite a few minor league arms that have real potential as big league relievers, but there’s so much short-term uncertainty that I have a hard time putting the bullpen any higher than this. If Robertson can close, and Dellin Betances can throw strikes, and Mark Montgomery can bounce back, and a guy like Jose Ramirez can break in as a reliever, the bullpen might be just fine for this year and beyond. But there are still a ton of questions to be answered.

Alex Rodriguez7. Third base
Hard to know what to make of this position. Eric Jagielo could be a fast-riser and an everyday player for many years, but we have yet to see him play a full season of pro ball (and Dante Bichette and Eric Duncan are certainly cautionary tales at the position; though admittedly different because they were high schoolers). The bigger problem is looking at the short-term situation at third. Can Kelly Johnson be productive enough (and good enough with the glove)? Who’s the right-handed part of that inevitable platoon? What’s Alex Rodriguez’s role in 2015 and beyond?

8. Second base
Short term, this just might be the most problematic position on the diamond. The Yankees seem willing to ride Brian Roberts until he breaks, at which point it’s anyone’s guess who might takeover at second. Eduardo Nunez? Dean Anna? Corban Joseph? What’s keeping second base out of the very bottom spot is the fact the minor league system actually has some interesting options coming up from the lower levels. Gosuke Katoh had an awesome pro debut, Rob Refsnyder looks like he can hit enough to get on base, and Angelo Gumbs is still a toolsy guy who badly needs to get healthy.

9. Shortstop
Too many questions both short term and long term. The position still belongs to Derek Jeter, and for the better part of two decades, that’s been a good thing. But now there’s no way of knowing whether he can legitimately play the position (or if he can still hit enough to be a top-of-the-order bat). The Yankees best backup plan is all-glove, no-bat Brendan Ryan, and the minor system’s best shortstops are in the extreme low levels of the minors. Abiatal Avelino is interesting, but he’s never played above short-season ball. Cito Culver can field, but his bat has been brutal. For the Yankees, no position carries more short-term and long-term uncertainty than shortstop.

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83 Responses to “Yankees postions of strength (and weakness)”

  1. blake February 1st, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Royals cut Bonofacio loose…..he could give them anothe crappy infielder for their collection

  2. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Another great summary Chad.

    Thanks.

    :)

  3. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Yankees have at least the potential for a well-above-average first baseman in the short term
    ——
    not sure about that, the potential part and well above average part.

  4. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Genreally agree with your assessment, but this:

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    Carlos Beltran might be able to play at least a handful of games in right field for another year or two

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    Beltran has averaged 135 games in RF the last three years. I think he’s capable of a lot more than your dismissive aside would indicate.

  5. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Repost…wasn’t overly impressed with the last post..but.
    Interesting post, nice to see Randolph get some of the credit he deserves…but I don’t see Cano as the 3rd best 2nd baseman ever, and his defensive rating skews his overall ratings. It’s one of the reasons I think in the future some of the reliability of the advance metrics, and fWAR is going to be rethought in the future, the defense end is too subjective and carries too much weight.

  6. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Bonofacio stay away…

  7. AAA February 1st, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Beltran has averaged 135 games in RF the last three years. I think he’s capable of a lot more than your dismissive aside would indicate

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    He’s shown up, which is to his credit, but he’s been considerably below average defensively for the past 4-5 seasons. His knees won’t be getting any better. I’d never doubt his ability to swing the bat, but I’d assume he’s going to be a regular DH for this team closer to the beginning of his contract than the end of it.

  8. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    I don’t see Tex’s injury as much of a problem as Chad does either…too much success with other players returning from it.

  9. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Why does Robbie fail the def metrics test but Ace the eye test? I’ve tried my best to understand the numbers. So why do my eyes say, “Robbie is an way above average defensive player.”?

  10. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    I am going to stick with the idea of starting to work Beltran out at 1B though…can keep him on the field, give Tex a break, or just in case he can’t play. Beltran from having to stress his knees too much, and out of the DH spot. Makes too much sense to at least explore the possibility…but I promise not to ride this as much as Blake saddles up Drew for the Yanks ;)

  11. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Howler-

    We need our obsessions.

    Have at it.

    :)

  12. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Nah…Beltran would probably end up spitting the bit on me :)

  13. AAA February 1st, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Interesting post, nice to see Randolph get some of the credit he deserves

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    I think his ability to get on base goes somewhat unappreciated. He wasn’t a dynamic offensive player by any stretch, but he was a very tough out.

  14. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Beltran for some time at 1B and DH makes perfect sense. I was just criticizing the dismissive tone regarding Beltran maybe playing a handful of games in RF.

    I suspect he’ll play 110-120 in RF, DH 20-25X, 1B maybe 10-15X and rest his knees 10-15X.

  15. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Does Tex have the potential of becoming a below average or average 1b offensively?

  16. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Yea, I wasn’t fond of the way Chad put that as well…but not all of our writing comes up as gems…it’s Sat. he’s probably getting over Friday night, wondering who he woke up with, and realizing he’s got a post to make ;)

  17. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Why not the potential to being an above avg. 1B?

  18. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Why not the potential to being an above avg. 1B?
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    age, wrist, refusal or can’t adapt, Rob deer with less power as LH hitter.

  19. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    I have the potential to be at least an avg. Human Being.

    :)

  20. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    I still think we’re still going to see near 30, 100 out of him.

  21. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    But I’ll have to work hard.

    ;)

  22. exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    I think we’re gonna see Ichiro in right field a lot more than anyone wants to admit. It’s Garardi’s style to play the old guys. Until they cut or trade him that’s what I expect.

  23. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    Could be a whole lot of Platoonin’ goin’ on.

    :)

  24. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Mike…think you’d have to work hard to try to to be anything but above avg.

  25. bigdan22 February 1st, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Appreciate if someone can help me with this. To arrive at the defensive values for the players in the 2b analysis posted earlier today, is the same methodology used for all five players?

  26. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    This the part where JG finally morphs all the way into La Russa.

  27. bigdan22 February 1st, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    As to Chad’s analysis above, I find 1b most intriguing. It appears there’s nothing between Bird and Tex. That’s quite a gap.

  28. AAA February 1st, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    age, wrist, refusal or can’t adapt, Rob deer with less power as LH hitter.

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    Wow! That seems a little harsh, Cash.

  29. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    Howler-

    Thanks but I need work.

    We all do I guess.

    Now dogs. They’re perfect.

    :)

  30. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    This the part where JG finally morphs all the way into La Russa.

    Oh god I hope not…he’s aiming in that direction..we’ll get to the point where we’ll have expanded rosters and pitchers per swing.
    I could see him ending up looking like Lasorda though.

  31. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Howler-

    The binder grows ever fatter by the day.

    Joe G still looks like he can break you in half.

    I don’t see tubby Tommy in his future.

  32. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    My perfect little monster is a bit hurt right now..pulled a muscle I hope…giving it a few days to see if she’ll get over it.

  33. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    I know AAA, I am down on Tex. The thing about is he just isn’t going to be a good hitter as left handed. that’s 2/3 of time, you dealing with a mistake hitter. Sure he might well clobber the mistakes, but I want a better hitter which isn’t going to happen with the dough on book.

  34. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Howler-

    What’s she doing ?

    Limping ?

  35. bigdan22 February 1st, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    exiledintampa February 1st, 2014 at 12:50 pm
    I think we’re gonna see Ichiro in right field a lot more than anyone wants to admit. It’s Garardi’s style to play the old guys. Until they cut or trade him that’s what I expect.

    ——

    That’s quite possible. I’m expecting at least one injury in the OF. But I also think it’s possible Almonte could be the replacement starter, at least against right-handers. Girardi likes old guys but he also likes specific roles. Almonte is not slated to make the team out of ST. Ichiro is slated as the 5th outfielder, base-running and late inning defensive replacement. If Ells or someone goes down, Almonte would get promoted and usually you keep the role-player in his role and let the new guy play. But for that to happen, Almonte needs a big spring training.

  36. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    I wouldn’t want Joe upset with me…maybe Chad can strike that comment…although after my Chad comment he’s probably sending Joe my email address as we speak :)

  37. yanks61 February 1st, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    I really enjoyed Tyler’s post. One of the reasons was because of the mention of Gil McDougald. I was pretty much a full time fan from 1953 on and I have to agree with Tyler that it would difficult to overvalue just how valuable Gil was to those teams.

    In a certain sense you couldn’t really call him a just utility man, because he was an everyday player. And terrific defensively at all three of the positions he played – 2B, SS and 3B. A darned good hitter as well. IMO, in my lifetime, there have been very few of his like in all baseball who have been as versatile and as good. Thanks, Tyler, for pointing that out.

  38. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Peter O’Brien moves to 1B. They’ve tried him at 3B, but I think he’s too heavy-footed. But the dude has serious power… he’s also getting pretty old by “prospect” standards (24 in July, likely in AA).

    If healthy Gardner and Ellsbury will be out there most of the time. that leaves one OF opportunity for the three old guys. Beltran should play the most, with Ichiro starting in RF and Beltran at DH or 1B against the tougher rhps.

  39. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    She tried to jump up and stretch too far for something, and had been limping around for a couple of days…seems to be in upper thigh, mostly bugged her when getting up or putting weight on it. She’s not feeling that pain now, and only favors it when first getting up. She’s running around on it and climbing stairs okay…so I figure it’s just a muscle thing. I’ll give it till Monday and see how she reacts.

  40. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Almonte had a terrific Winter.

    ;)

  41. Against All Odds February 1st, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    blake February 1st, 2014 at 12:14 pm
    “True the thing is they have guys like Lester and and to a lesser extent Laptops to fall back on. Every team is going to screw up but when you have 1 or 2 guys that make it through the misses get pushed to the side. It’s not fair but that’s how it is especially in sports.”

    Sure….I think it’s just a narrative you hear all the time with Joba though. For me Joba is the most to blame for Joba’s career.

    ————————

    I would agree if the Yankees weren’t so bad at developing pitching. Don’t get me wrong Joba played a role as well.

  42. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Howler-

    She’s so young. Should recover nicely from that w/o any help.

    Dogs that age, like us, are almost bulletproof.

    :)

  43. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    61-

    Good to see you Msr.

    Have you made your purchase yet ?

    :)

  44. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Have to run.

    Later.

  45. yanks61 February 1st, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Howler, we have a Cairn terrier who would, on a few occasions, start limping around after a good run. We panicked at first and brought her to the vet, but they didn’t find anything wrong and she was fine within a couple of days. May just be something like a charlie horse. If not better in a few days, then you should probably have it looked at.

  46. MTU February 1st, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Howler-

    One last thing you might want to try.

    Have her bring you only one bottle at a time instead of the whole 6-pack.

    It will lighten the load. She’ll heal quicker that way.

    ;)

  47. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    She seems to have a muscle pull…it’s just with large breeds at a young age you have to be a little more careful because they’re more susceptible to leg injuries that can effect their development. So I was worried for a bit that it could’ve been a ligament tear, had a previous dog who had a knee ligament tear.

  48. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    I’m training her to bring me the beer truck :)

  49. Cashmoney February 1st, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    MTU, I think Almonte can contribute as a major leaguer. I just don’t how bad his defense is. I would think you can fake some if you hit enough.

  50. 86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Jeez…. when I saw the first post, Howler I thought you were talking about the Mrs.!

    Gotta run folks…. college basketball awaits…. have a day!

  51. yanks61 February 1st, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Hi Mike.

    Yes! The price actually came down to B & H levels (including an unexpected discount when I got to the store!)

    It’s a beauty and I’m still going through the learning process with it. I had to do a firmware update to the body that drove me a little nuts at first (not use to that kind of thing) but I eventually got it downloaded.

    I see that you’re still doing great with your photography. I envy you your great outdoor shots. But we do have so much history here with buildings, bridges and other such sites that it does keep me busy. I hope to get to Florence in April, if all goes well, and that should be an additional joy :)

  52. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    I’m not her type. Besides not sure if any woman in my life would like me to describe her as my little monster ;) Although I’m not sure where that whip is at.
    I do think Almonte has some good potential…I’d really like to see him get a good shot, it’s one of the reasons I see them not extending Gardner, He could provide a different type of offense, need to see the defense and get a better read on it, but I think he’s pretty athletic and would be fine.

  53. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    What did you buy from B&H

  54. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West February 1st, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    I like bonifacio, he plays 2nd, 3rd and outfield, he can’t hit a lick, but he field and run.

  55. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    St. Pete Yankee February 1st, 2014 at 12:33 pm
    Where does that terrible defensive figure for Cano come from? He has multiple Gold Gloves, covers a fair amount of ground and makes a lot of plays that no other active second baseman does. I’m a big stats guy, but I would love to know how this is calculated. As is, it seems to prove that a lot of these newly created stats, particularly defensive ones, are meaningless.

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    I think that what it tells you is more that Gold Gloves are meaningless. Jeter has 5, and I don’t think anyone would have mistaken him for a good defensive SS let alone the best in the AL. They’re more about offense and popularity than defense.

    It also tells us that defense is very hard to observe. Defensive stats are far from perfect, but in most cases so is the eye test. You can tell if someone is a great fielder or a terrible one pretty easily, but sorting out everyone in the middle is tough.

    Cano’s range is pretty universally considered to be mediocre at best among scouts. It’s why he wasn’t more highly regarded as an amateur or prospect: people doubted he could stay at 2B. He’s been a perfectly acceptable defensive 2B, but not an elite one by any means.

  56. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Hi Michelle…seems we’ve got plenty of OF pieces, and quite a few IF who can field but can’t hit a lick…What’s more fun than a barrel of Monkeys…figuring out the Yankee infield…let’s just hope the pieces can interconnect without falling apart.

  57. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Surreal, slow, heavy snow out there. I’d put you guys in the great white north, but I’m affraid Mr. Blackberry couldn’t withstand the proceedings. I was sitting in it for a while, and the bum is uncomfortably soaked. Come on Alex, do something with my rotation.

  58. Hankflorida February 1st, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Tyler Patterson, I read your post and it was impressive using statistics to prove your point, but let me paraphrase in the 1988 vice presidential debate what Bentsen said to Quayle about John Kennedy in order to make my point, “I watched Joe Gordon play, I liked Joe Gordon’s power numbers, he was one of my favorite players growing up but Joe Gordon was no Robinson Cano.” Joe Gordon usually batted at the bottom of the order with the Yankees as his .268 lifetime BA hindered him in spite of his home run production. Since there were no second basemen of his era who were power hitters, Gordon was able to get into the HOF through the Veterans Committee as he dominated the field. As an outfielder, Gordon would have never had the credentials for the Hall but if Cano continues at his pace no matter what position he plays, the HOF is his on a first ballot. I haved stated before that I marvel at Cano instincts at getting to the ball at the crack of the bat and do not remember any of the radio announcers commenting on Gordon’s range, but he was a good reliable player defensively, but when it comes to defense on paper, the out does not tell you the whole story as you have to be there to appreciate the difficult ones from the easy ones.

  59. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Hank, thanks, you have perspectives to be cherished, as do the others here.

  60. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Rogers Hornsby and his .356 has to be given credence despite segregation, but I got to see Alomar, and thus, am happily slanted. Hey Eckersley!, how does it feel to get slammed in your own park?

  61. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    That Jays comeback vs the A’s ( Morris coughed up a 6-1 deficit ) is what gave a long snake bitten Toronto team, relief. I can still see Robbie doing that tomahawk chop as we tied things up. And despite all of Jane Fonda’s praying, Atlanta was, toast.

  62. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    Best second baseman ever,….Robbie Alomar ( switch hitter at that ).

  63. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgiXdrUOFQ

    Robbie Alomar stuns Dennis Eckersley

  64. WakaTanaka February 1st, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Hank,

    I think that one can argue for Cano over Gordon, but I don’t think it’s quite so obvious. I think that one can also justify Gordon over Cano.

    It’s tough to compare what you heard on the radio about one player’s defense to what you observed on television 70 years later.

    It’s also tough to say that if Cano keeps producing at the same level into his 30s he’s going to be a HOFer. Cano has a long ways to go and Gordon missed a good chunk of his prime. But, we’re also talking about Yankees careers. Cano’s is probably over and Gordon’s ended in 1946.

    While his average was lower, Gordon matches Cano’s OBP and was just about as good on his career relative to league average.

  65. Hankflorida February 1st, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    We all marvel at Cano making those catches in short right field with his back to the infield, but Joe Gordon was not known to do that because he had a guy like Tommy Heinrich in right. Two men on at 1st and 2nd and no one out; a short fly ball to right and Heinrich comes racing in and it looks like he is going to catch the ball; he drops the ball and throws to third and back to second, a double play.

  66. Hankflorida February 1st, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    It’s tough to compare what you heard on the radio about one player’s defense to what you observed on television 70 years later.

    Waka, I also went to many Yankee games and was able to see Gordon, Coleman and Richardson. They were all good fielders as most 2nd basemen were. Gordon stood out because of his power numbers at that position, but Cano’s instincts amaze me both in person and on the tube. Soriano never wanted to leave second base when he was with the Yankees. Imagine if he could field like Gordon and stayed at 2nd with his numbers. Do you think that his numbers would get him in the HOF and not through the back door?

  67. austinmac February 1st, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    There is talk of Bonifacio on RAB. If they add anyone, it needs to n a starter and not another role player who requires another player removed from the 40 man roster. The player who replaces the removed one better be valuable.

  68. Don February 1st, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Trisha, put me down for 88.

    Hank, do you think Bobby Richardson should be on the list of the five best second basemen in Yankee history?

  69. Hankflorida February 1st, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Hank, do you think Bobby Richardson should be on the list of the five best second basemen in Yankee history?

    Don, yes, as Patterson said, Gil McDougald played other positions in the infield, and Richardson play in the 1960 WS coupled with he the fact he played great defense and could deliver with men on base.

  70. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    When I reflect upon, ’92, I thank Alomar, Gruber, Sprague, and of course, Jimmy Key. What a great, crafty lefty. The guy is in my hall!

  71. austinmac February 1st, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    I saw several years of Richardson. Good glove. Absolutely, no power and not much of a bat overall. Solid player in the era of light hitting middle infielders.

  72. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Stieb was hurt in ’92, and had to watch Morris gain all that support in becoming the Jays’ first 20 game winner. After clinching the American league title, David had left early. Some younger Jays made a monstrosity out of Stieb’s locker. Dave Stieb was understandably hurt. Sir David, u R the #1 Jay of all time! ( There were members on that team that just didn’t understand ).

  73. Chad Jennings February 1st, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    86w183 February 1st, 2014 at 12:23 pm e

    Genreally agree with your assessment, but this:

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    Carlos Beltran might be able to play at least a handful of games in right field for another year or two

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    Beltran has averaged 135 games in RF the last three years. I think he’s capable of a lot more than your dismissive aside would indicate.

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    I actually meant that Beltran might be able to play at least a handful of games in right for another year or two beyond 2014. I was thinking of it more in terms of future impact at the position. I noted that the Yankees have three guys for two spots right now, so they’re in good shape for the time being. The Beltran comment was really commentary on how the position looks in the near future. Wasn’t very clear though. Poorly worded.

    As for my thoughts on Teixeira. I don’t think he has to be back to his 2009 production to be a really productive first baseman. If he comes back as a Gold Glove defender who’s able to hit more 35 homers — something like his 2010-11 seasons — I think that would be plenty. Overpaid for sure, but still plenty productive.

  74. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    remember this offseason peeps here wanted the NYY to trade for Kemp …..

  75. tomingeorgia February 1st, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    blake,
    Warm this weekend, at last! You smoking?

  76. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    my best 2nd baseman of all time…. Rod Carew

  77. pc February 1st, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    i have no faith in robertson as a closer until he learns how to put batters away and lower his pitch count, he relies on his fastball too much and and needs to perfect a pitch he can use to retire batters without having to use his fb which is flat with no movement and that leads to high counts with most batters.
    the way he pitches now its possible he won’t even be able to be counted on for a complete inning and certainly not back to back games.

  78. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Cano won’t get 3,000 hits

  79. joeman February 1st, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    pc February 1st, 2014 at 4:22 pm
    i have no faith in robertson as a closer until he learns how to put batters away and lower his pitch count, he relies on his fastball too much and and needs to perfect a pitch he can use to retire batters without having to use his fb which is flat with no movement and that leads to high counts with most batters.
    the way he pitches now its possible he won’t even be able to be counted on for a complete inning and certainly not back to back games.
    ———————————————————————–
    what I’ve been saying for months

  80. Howler February 1st, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    and I think you’ve both been thinking of a Robertson of a couple years ago instead of what we saw more recently…but the next year will tell for sure

  81. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    joeman, I like Rod Carew too! Ultimately though, he’s a first b gu. Alomar, #1 at the second spot.

  82. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    ” Guy “, not, ” gu “.

  83. jmills February 1st, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Cano might very well turn into, Molitor,…whose to say?

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