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Cone: Tanaka was “a chance the Yankees had to take”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 05, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro TanakaForget about long-term contractual concerns for a minute. Given the moves they’ve made this winter, are the Yankees a better team — in the short term — than they were last year? David Cone provided an interesting answer at last night’s Thurman Munson Awards dinner.

“Certainly a much more interesting team,” Cone said. “Better is going to be up for grabs. They still have obvious some holes, but Teixeira’s a big key for them to come back this year in the infield, because otherwise they could be a little short in the infield this year, certainly offensively as well. It’s going to be a much more interesting lineup, a much more dynamic lineup, and they’ve got a leader in Brian McCann. I’m a big fan of him, and I think he was a great signing for the Yankees; maybe the No. 1 priority was signing him over anybody else.”

Cone made it clear that he likes the lineup changes — the old lineup had gotten “stale” he said — but he acknowledged that there are still some lingering questions, and some of those are likely to remain for a while.

Of course, Cone’s a pitcher, so most of his analysis centered on new addition Masahiro Tanaka.

“I don’t know if it’s the best split-finger fastball in the world, but it’s certainly among the top five right now,” Cone said. “He has that kind of talent in terms of velocity and movement. When you look at a split-finger fastball — having thrown it for most of my career – I look at how late it breaks; the late movement and the velocity it maintains. He has both of those. He has high velocity and late movement on that splitter, which puts it among the best in the world.

“… He’s really polished for a 25-year old. When I was 25 years old, I was still learning how to throw a split-finger fastball. He’s 25 and he’s got one of the best in the world. He’s ready for this challenge, and it’s going to be a lot of fun to watch him.”

Cone was asked to compare Kuroda’s arrival to that of his former teammates, Hideki Irabu.

“Much different scenario,” Cone said. “Tanaka is much more established than Irabu was at that time, and Irabu was a different kind of a cat too. He was a little aloof at the time, and a little uncertain of whether he could pitch at the Major League level, but I believe that Tanaka has dreamed of this. This is what he wanted. He chose the Yankees for a reason, and I give him a lot of credit for that.”

Cone said a pitcher “of (Tanaka’s) magnitude and his talent” should be able to make the adjustments to different mounds and a slightly different ball, but Cone did suggest that the Yankees take into account the fact that Tanaka has never pitched as part of a five-man rotation. He thinks using off days to give Tanaka an extra day here and there could be helpful. Tanaka might get off to a strong start, but Cone cautioned that the adjustment will be just beginning.

“Generally, the (new) pitchers probably have an advantage because the hitters are in a defensive mode trying to react to what the pitcher does,” Cone said. “Naturally, I think the pitcher will have the advantage the first time around. That changes quickly once you’ve seen them a few times, especially with that unbalanced schedule. The American League East is going to see him more. It’s going to be interesting to see him go into Fenway and pitch in August and September in a pennant race playing for the Yankees, but he is a remarkable talent and once again, I think it’s a chance the Yankees had to take.”

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192 Responses to “Cone: Tanaka was “a chance the Yankees had to take””

  1. Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    It was Cash’s dream to create young, cost-controlled pitchers. It was all he talked about.

    —————————-

    For yrs upon yrs upon yrs. He had visions of being the Braves of the 90s. We’re still waiting for that

  2. Blojaldo February 5th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
    You obviously find it enjoyable to be combative and confrontational on a baseball blog, I don’t but I will express my opinion. That some people were correct in making generic predictions that most everyone made – does not make them more capable than Cashman and that was the inference. That is patently absurd and laughable.

    It’s known by everyone that younger homegrown talent that is cost controlled is better than high cost long-term contracts with free agents. Including Cashman et al. Why he did what he did is the issue and the answer is complex but I believe it was never a chosen strategy, but doing what you had to do to give your team under the New York media and fan microscope in New York a chance to win. That’s what they did successfully in 2009 and that’s what they did this off season. Jury is out.

    The fact remains that saying I told you so after the fact is not credible and neither is predicting injuries. I pointed out older players who did not get injured. The answer, Ichiro is bionic. Um, ok. Last comment, what about all the predictions that were wrong? THese are conveniently ignored.

    No one can predict the future.

  3. blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    “Drew is available but if he wants to play SS this year then he’s not coming to the Yankees.”

    he wants his money…..he has said he’d play other positions and if he didn’t play SS for the Yanks it would only be temporary.

  4. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    At a presser announcing a trade, whatever statements are made by the GM are only justification for what was done. Had someone offered Cashman a hitter for Montero that they liked better than Pineda, Cashman would have been quoted at the presser talking about how they felt they needed a young cost-controlled hitter.

    They clearly didnt think Montero could help them and they traded him for the best player (in their opinion) that was offered. Then because they took a pitcher, they talked up how they felt they needed const-controlled pitching.

    They call that P.R.

  5. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
    Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
    It was Cash’s dream to create young, cost-controlled pitchers. It was all he talked about.

    —————————-

    For yrs upon yrs upon yrs. He had visions of being the Braves of the 90s. We’re still waiting for that
    ___
    Right. So the idea that they would have traded Montero for a position player is just revisionist history. Cash wanted to be the Rays pitching cost-controlled core. It was his big plan for saving Hal money and getting to 189. But it didn’t work.

  6. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Ys Guy, it wasn’t at the presser. It was Cash’s long term dream. Anyone who follows the prospects knows that.

    repost

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
    “True a long building process won’t work in NY because fans and the FO won’t stand for it. Losing seasons are forgotten by fans who aren’t in favor of them once they see the plan work.”

    Odds, I don’t agree. This is a cop-out. Teams win all the time with youth. Building entails judicious infusion of young players, not some wholesale rookie slated for every position. The idea that older players who no longer have the bat speed are a better bet than younger players who can actually hit even though they may have to make adjustments is so silly. And it is another one of those Yankee truisms like we have to get to 189 which fans ate up until the Yankees started losing and then fans didn’t. Cash talked about being patient with Pineda ad nauseum and everyone bought into it, as they should have. After all, he was a young pitcher. The Yankees can make fans eat out of their hands, as long as they win. But tell me Vernon Wells and Travis Hafner are great signings and are going to make us a stronger team, and I as a fan am not going to buy into that malarkey. Ditto, signing Youk.

  7. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
    “Drew is available but if he wants to play SS this year then he’s not coming to the Yankees.”

    he wants his money…..he has said he’d play other positions and if he didn’t play SS for the Yanks it would only be temporary.
    __
    It is (always) about the money, stupid! ;)

  8. Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Cash wanted to be the Rays pitching cost-controlled core. It was his big plan for saving Hal money and getting to 189. But it didn’t work.

    ———————-

    Yep that was the reason behind it. Ppl have to remember this whole 189 plan didn’t just pop up back in 2010 or 2011. They have been talking about getting payroll in line before that. The reason why they spent in 08 and 13 is because the plan for becoming the Rays didn’t work. Do they sign Burnett to that big contract if Generation Trey have good seasons? Do they go hog wild this off season if they finish 1st instead of 3rd? Not saying they wouldn’t have spent at all but I doubt they would have spent to that extreme of a degree.

  9. blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    If Cashman calls Boras and offers 3/35 for Drew I think he signs and that’s a really good deal…..makes the team 3-4 wins better and solves SS (or an infield spot) for 2015.

  10. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    As for Montero, I still think he will be a heckuva hitter.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    “Cash talked about being patient with Pineda ad nauseum and everyone bought into it, as they should have”

    But Pineda was a known entity and a successful one. Once again, FA or trade. That’s not the same as bringing up someone from the minors and hoping it works out.

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Blojaldo February 5th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
    You obviously find it enjoyable to be combative and confrontational on a baseball blog, I don’t. I’ll leave it at this.

    That some people were correct in making generic predictions that most everyone made does not make them more capable than Cashman and that was the inference. That is patently absurd and laughable.
    ///

    Trying to deflect at me doesn’t help your case, blojaldo.

    I am supporting a responsible poster here, who is not only not guilty of your sloppy challenge, but whose position is on record as, in fact, the opposite of now being in “hindsight.”

    Now his predictions are “generic.”

    How about you coming clean that you took wild swings without any evidence?

    Whether you own up or don’t, everyone who reads here knows who said what, so that means they know blake didn’t make those judgments in hindsight.

    There’s nothing else to say on this.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    “But tell me Vernon Wells and Travis Hafner are great signings and are going to make us a stronger team, and I as a fan am not going to buy into that malarkey. Ditto, signing Youk.”

    These were not meant to be everyday players but revolving fill ins.

  14. blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    I don’t know about Montero…..I watched him a lot with the Mariners just out of curiosity and he still has great physical ability swing wise but what I didn’t see much of was the ability to make adjustments and the mental side of the game. At the big league level those 2 things are everything and can be the difference between making it and not making it.

    He has great physical ability……but that doesn’t tell the whole story. He’s still young…..I think he needs a fresh start somewhere.

  15. Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Teams win all the time with youth. Building entails judicious infusion of young players, not some wholesale rookie slated for every position.

    —————-

    I agree the best way is to turn over the roster piece by piece. The reason why I saw a rebuilding process would be hard for fans and the front office is because I remember fans, players, etc being so down on that 08 transition yr. Even Joba’s 09 season is looked down upon despite being young and learning on the job at the time.

  16. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    of course he wanted cost controlled pitching, thats why he rated pineda so highly. but that doesnt mean he would have taken pineda has the royals offered myers. in any trade, you take the best player you can. part of that calculation is how much his replacement would cost and whether you have a need at that position.

    everybody wants cost controlled pitching, but that doesnt mean you would take a pitcher back in a trade who you considered to be of lesser value to your franchise than a hitter.

    iif anything, the desire for cost-controlled pitching might have resulted in a higher rating for pineda than some of the hitters who were offered, but in the end, you take the player who can help your franchise the most be that a hitter or a pitcher.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    As for Montero, I still think he will be a heckuva hitter.
    ///

    He has everything inborn to dispose him to being a heckuva hitter. And I agree, that he will be.

    I do wonder where he will be playing this year, though. If they deal him, that might be a boon to his achieving his upside.

  18. blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    “Whether you own up or don’t, everyone who reads here knows who said what, so that means they know blake didn’t make those judgments in hindsight.”

    lots of folks were saying the same stuff at the time….yourself, JF, YF….MTU….many others. It was common discussion here.

  19. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    fuji February 5th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    MONTERO:

    “…what i see is a kid going into his age 24 season with a .699 OPS in 792 mlb plate appearances which was higher than the yankee team average OPS last year…”

    ====================================

    Would you trade (even-up) Nunez for Montero ?

    He’s going absolutely nowhere with Seattle.

  20. Mottsx February 5th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    I would do Nunie for Montero.. atleast theres a back up for Tex.

  21. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Mottsx February 5th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
    I would do Nunie for Montero.. atleast theres a back up for Tex.
    =================

    Yes.

    …and so many here believe so strongly in Montero – it would be (kinda) perfect !

    (well – maybe not perfect; but really interesting … worth the gamble)

  22. Howler February 5th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    I try to stay away from generalizations about what people are…they usually just make you end up looking foolish.

  23. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Ys Guy, given the choice of equivalent pitching vs. position player, Cashman coveted and would have taken the pitching. He has shown his hand in that regard over and over again.

    “But Pineda was a known entity and a successful one. Once again, FA or trade. That’s not the same as bringing up someone from the minors and hoping it works out.”

    Trish, Pineda had a limited stint, so I would certainly be wary regarding the sample size and the uncertainty in the bump up in velo and second half issues. Plus more importantly, he was high risk, especially considering he hadn’t gotten past the injury matrix at the time of the trade. Further signing Darvish would have mitigated the need to waste your best trade chip on a pitcher. How’s the weather up there?

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    He has great physical ability……but that doesn’t tell the whole story. He’s still young…..I think he needs a fresh start somewhere.
    ///

    They tried to gear him to pulling the ball more which may have messed him up, since he’s a right center guy. Should have just relied on his ability to beat the pitcher to the spot inside instead of trying to remake him. Bottom line: he does have great physical ability and he’s only 24 years old, and if he goes back to his comfort zone, it will help make adjustments easier.

  25. blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    “I would do Nunie for Montero.. atleast theres a back up for Tex.”

    Seattle wouldn’t.

  26. blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    “They tried to gear him to pulling the ball more which may have messed him up, since he’s a right center guy. Should have just relied on his ability to beat the pitcher to the spot inside instead of trying to remake him. Bottom line: he does have great physical ability and he’s only 24 years old, and if he goes back to his comfort zone, it will help make adjustments easier.”

    not making excuses but I do think that park got in his head……I saw him hit several balls he thought were gone and they just died on the track in Seattle.

  27. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
    “I would do Nunie for Montero.. atleast theres a back up for Tex.”

    Seattle wouldn’t.
    =============================

    Damn.
    I was also trying to make Nunnie useful.
    …but, you’re probably right.

    (still have a useless Nunnie problem)

  28. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    blake, I agree he needs to make adjustments, but I think he will. He had much improved two seasons ago in second half vs. RHP. I also believe. Wedge was a factor contributing to his “in between” hitting approach, (as well as park factors.) Wedge was very into his young players being very aggressive at the plate and he very much underrated OBP. Not Jesus’s normal game, so interesting to see if he reverts to the previous plate discipline he possessed. He needs to improve vs. RHP, not get K’d on that outside slider, but many before him have had that problem when first coming up, and I still think he will make the necessary adjustments IF he gets the AB’s.

  29. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    Safeco has killed man a hitter so it’s possible Montero could snap out of it with a new location.

  30. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale 1m
    Three teams have emerged as finalists for Ironman Bronson Arroyo’s services: the @Dbacks. @Dodgers and @Orioles, w Dbacks slight favorites.
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  31. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    lots of folks were saying the same stuff at the time….yourself, JF, YF….MTU….many others. It was common discussion here.
    ///

    I know MTU wanted Darvish and Puig. As for the warnings about age in the lineup, I remember you, the others you mention, plus luis and richnj, GLove, tucker, Yankee21, LGY when he was around, Odds I believe, randyl, certainly CB when he was in here excoriating the Yanks for not signing Holliday and for trading Montero.

    These, at least, are the people who brought the whole age/injury risk hypothesis to the debate repeatedly; as well as RichNJ and CB, who pounded the injury matrix of pitchers under the age of 26, etc.

    Disagreements/debates, I can understand.

    Misrepresenting what is easily verifiable – or why anyone would want to try and do that, I don’t get. Like I said, I read what people say and am clear on where they stood on this stuff. I don’t know how you can read here day after day, year after year, and not be cognizant of where folks stand on these themes and issues.

  32. Mike_Boston February 5th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Really liked reading Cone’s analysis of Tanaka. To call his split a top 5 pitch before facing MLB hitting tells me this dude is legit. Cone obviously knows pitching better than most. Looking forward to seeing him every 5th day.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    not making excuses but I do think that park got in his head
    ///

    He wouldn’t be the first.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    YF – we are really having winter! We had a snow storm that has turned to rain but is supposed to turn back to snow. We supposedly are in for another snow storm Sunday. Looks like the Farmer’s Almanac was right on the money.

    How about you?

  35. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    “The fact remains that saying I told you so after the fact is not credible and neither is predicting injuries. I pointed out older players who did not get injured. The answer, Ichiro is bionic. Um, ok. Last comment, what about all the predictions that were wrong? THese are conveniently ignored.”
    ___
    Predicting injuries in this day and age is more of a science in baseball than you think. The Yankees and their group of advanced metric, biomechanic/advanced medicine coherts are most likely aware of the risk inherent in older players and their propensity to trend downward. Yet, they decided to stay with the status quo and get a rickety, aged bench as backup. That makes little sense.

    As for Ichiro and the bionic categorization, lighten up. That was a reference to Ichiro’s progressive training which elongates his muscles and increases his flexibility. His methods of training are a very good reason he doesn’t get hurt. So, there is method to my madness on that count as well. But take it out of context if you must.

  36. Jerkface February 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    They should never have signed Ichiro regardless of injury risk or not, because it was also pretty easy to predict he would be a bad hitter.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    YF I truly believe that the Ys were gun shy after Igawa and seeing how Dice-K didn’t turn out so didn’t want to take a chance on Darvish.

    Some day I want to hear about you living in Russia!

  38. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    trish, pretty much the same. I cancelled all my today appts. I have been trying to travel up there for some hockey games and to view some new campus buildings, but the weather has precluded traveling… Those pictures of ST, as I said early, are surreal in contrast to the snow out my window that is covering all the trees. But so beautiful to look at!

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    It is really beautiful.

    :)

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    I watched a special on the Blizzard of ’78. I didn’t realize that the snow was over 30 inches.

  41. saucY February 5th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    “Cone was asked to compare Kuroda’s arrival to that of his former teammates, Hideki Irabu.”

    *Tanaka

  42. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    trish, think though that Darvish was/is a totally different “beast” and to conflate him with Igawa is beyond imaginable.

    JF, I totally agree and have said so repeatedly. My reference was in reference to the injury conversation. I never liked the Ichiro signing (would have loved him in his prime, however!) and was especially frustrated by their giving him the second year, which could have been money allocated elsewhere.

  43. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    “YF I truly believe that the Ys were gun shy after Igawa and seeing how Dice-K didn’t turn out so didn’t want to take a chance on Darvish.”

    they turned around and signed Kuroda instead though so if they didn’t sign Darvish because he was Japanese then that wasn’t a very good reason or one that made sense. There couldn’t have been more difference between Darvish and Igawa.

  44. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale 1m
    Three teams have emerged as finalists for Ironman Bronson Arroyo’s services: the @Dbacks. @Dodgers and @Orioles, w Dbacks slight favorites.

    Francesa will be in tears.

  45. Blojaldo February 5th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    I didn’t know Cashman intentionally chose to go with a rickety, aging bench despite having advanced metric, biomechanic information at his disposal. I suppose he had other choices but perhaps he didn’t care if the Yankees lost. I’m grateful there are people her who know better than Cashman and point these things out. Let’s pray he reads this blog.

  46. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    it’s funny that the only player the Yankees put money on the 2014 books was Ichiro…..

  47. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    “I didn’t know Cashman intentionally chose to go with a rickety, aging bench despite having advanced metric, biomechanic information at his disposal. ”

    howd the hyperbolic chamber sleep last night?

  48. Blojaldo February 5th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
    “…they turned around and signed Kuroda instead though so if they didn’t sign Darvish because he was Japanese then that wasn’t a very good reason or one that made sense…”
    ___________________

    I believe it was that Darvish was $110 million for six years and Kuroda was $10 million for one.

  49. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    where the Yankees are now is mostly Hal’s fault and not Cashman’s IMO…..to his credit he decided to spend some money this winter./….but the only reason he’s doing it now is because his little journey to 189 failed so miserably…..and he really compromised the last 3 years to do it.

  50. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    “I am supporting a responsible poster here, who is not only not guilty of your sloppy challenge, but whose position is on record as, in fact, the opposite of now being in “hindsight.”

    Now his predictions are “generic.”

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
    “Whether you own up or don’t, everyone who reads here knows who said what, so that means they know blake didn’t make those judgments in hindsight.”

    lots of folks were saying the same stuff at the time….yourself, JF, YF….MTU….many others. It was common discussion here.
    ____
    Yes, everyone knows what everyone has said. There are archives galore. And again it is not about who is right and wrong, but that certain people have made these points because they have felt they are relevant and integral to the health of the ball club. You cannot get around the fact that the Yankees weakened their own ball club. Again, dispassionately look at the argument and you will see the result is in fact what many of us had feared. People see things different ways; that’s fine. But speak to the post; there is no need for animosity.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    blake be real. They knew what Kuroda had to offer. Darvish was an unknown.

    YF – I’m not comparing them. I’m comparing the experience of signing “unknown” international players who don’t work out. See: Igawa, Contreras.

    By the way, for anyone who has been mentioning the name of Cespedes, another begged-for signing by some Yankee fans, he ended up with a 240 BA this season.

    There is obviously more risk signing an international player than there is trading for someone who’s been in the majors and is a known commodity.

  52. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    blake, knowing that 189 was the plan doesn’t get Cash off the hook. He could have made other choices. In addition to the age factor and overrating the offense, I agree with Pruf that the big hairies thing precluded having a more viable and versatile offense. The Yankees and the long swing mega SLG and high K rates at the expense of average is a result of Cash’s philosophy of hitting. Think we are finally leaving that trend in the dust, but that was Cash’s and KLong’s doing; there are no two ways around it.

  53. Jerkface February 5th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Why would it have to be Kuroda OR Darvish? It should have been Kuroda AND Darvish. Darvish’s contract was only 9 AAV.

  54. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    JF, yes, exactly so.

  55. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    I hope the Orioles sign Arroyo. and Burnout, too.

    those two will get lit up in the AL East.

  56. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    “I believe it was that Darvish was $110 million for six years and Kuroda was $10 million for one.”

    so…..

  57. fuji February 5th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    “They should never have signed Ichiro regardless of injury risk or not, because it was also pretty easy to predict he would be a bad hitter.”

    isn’t it also easy to predict that beltran will be a really bad right fielder?

    he was at the bottom of the pack last year in right field defense.

    i can see beltran as a dh , but every day right fielder?

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    YF – are you familiar with any of these?

    http://www.boston.com/travel/e.....chocolate/

    I was surprised to see Stowaway Sweets not even mentioned. I know they used to make chocolate for the White House.

  59. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    “blake be real. They knew what Kuroda had to offer. Darvish was an unknown.”

    Texas didn’t think he was an unknown….they were right.

  60. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    Jerkface February 5th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
    Why would it have to be Kuroda OR Darvish? It should have been Kuroda AND Darvish. Darvish’s contract was only 9 AAV.
    ====================================

    The Darvish ‘cost’ was $18.3 x 6.

    Maybe not AAV; but how much it actually cost the Rangers ?

  61. Hankflorida February 5th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    When Montero came up, I saw him as perfect right handed hitter for the Stadium; he reminded me of Bill Skowron who had that opposite field power. Since “we cant go home again,” we have to go on from here. Money has to be put into the right scouting system, and a good lesson should be learned is the ability of the Seattle Seahawks to find the right players in the later rounds.

  62. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    “blake, knowing that 189 was the plan doesn’t get Cash off the hook. He could have made other choices. ”

    what though? If you can spend any money it really limits what you can do…..Cash had to do 1 year deals…..hard to do anything with that.

  63. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    “Why would it have to be Kuroda OR Darvish? It should have been Kuroda AND Darvish. Darvish’s contract was only 9 AAV.”

    Kuroda and Darvish should have been the answer….if they had done that they wouldn’t have needed Tanaka and they could have kept Cano and signed all the rest of those players too.

  64. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    “YF – I’m not comparing them. I’m comparing the experience of signing “unknown” international players who don’t work out. See: Igawa, Contreras.

    By the way, for anyone who has been mentioning the name of Cespedes, another begged-for signing by some Yankee fans, he ended up with a 240 BA this season.”

    Trish, you mean in comparison to Vernon’s .233 average and .631 OPS? At least Cespedes was playing through a shoulder injury is only 28 y.o and so far has put up a .265 average and 796 OPS in MLB (49 home runs and 162 RBI through his first 264 games). When healthy he had a stellar Sept., and his playoff stats are pretty darn good, and at a pretty good bang for the buck. I would take that risk with an in prime player.

  65. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Hal should order that they steal all of the Cardinals development people…..offer to double their money. There is no luxury tax on stealing executives.

  66. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    “Kuroda and Darvish should have been the answer….if they had done that they wouldn’t have needed Tanaka and they could have kept Cano and signed all the rest of those players too.”
    ___
    blake, do we have a time machine? I’ll drive! :)

  67. pkyankfan69 February 5th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Darvish – CC – Kuroda – Tanaka – Nova

    I could have lived with that rotation this year.

  68. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
    “Drew is available but if he wants to play SS this year then he’s not coming to the Yankees.”

    he wants his money…..he has said he’d play other positions and if he didn’t play SS for the Yanks it would only be temporary.
    ——————–

    I don’t doubt that he wants his money, but his preference would be to play SS so my guess is that if the Mets make him an offer that’s in the ball park and give him the chance to play SS out of the gate, he would take that over a similar Yankee offer that has him at 3b this season.

  69. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    David Cone, u were an a ok hired gun by me ( beat previous experiments with, Candiotti and Bud Black ). Why can’t people drive in this weather?

  70. saucY February 5th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    “I believe it was that Darvish was $110 million for six years and Kuroda was $10 million for one.”

    Or perhaps MLB experience. (Even in the NL)

  71. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    blake, do we have a time machine? I’ll drive! :)”

    if we do can we pick up 1999 Jeter, 2007 Arod, and 2009 Tex on the way back?

  72. pkyankfan69 February 5th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Darvish – CC – Kuroda – Tanaka – Nova

    I could have lived with that rotation this year.
    ——
    Actually scratch that…

    Darvish – CC – Kuroda – Iwakuma – Tanaka

    Nova traded in a package for a young INF

  73. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    JF was by far the biggest advocate of signing darvish and he was dead right about it. kudos.

    but every time the cost of darvish comes up, JF tries to make it sound like the rangers didnt have to pay the posting fee. Plus the Yankees would have had to pay the LT on the salary part of it.

    the cost is the cost, posting fee, aav + luxury tax.

    darvish’s cost to the yankees would have been about $140M. Well worth paying for what he brings.

    but let’s just stop the $9M/year stuff.

  74. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
    “Why would it have to be Kuroda OR Darvish? It should have been Kuroda AND Darvish. Darvish’s contract was only 9 AAV.”

    Kuroda and Darvish should have been the answer….if they had done that they wouldn’t have needed Tanaka and they could have kept Cano and signed all the rest of those players too.
    ————————
    Except that Darvish wasn’t a FA and the Yankees couldn’t have known when they submitted their bid how much the Rangers were going to offer.

  75. FLYER7 February 5th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    What would Ms want for Montero?

  76. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    189 was a goal.
    As it related to the Luxury Tax going forward – it made huge sense.
    NYY were working toward that goal.
    Winning Tanaka erased that goal.

    (also adding factors that were non-LT were then brought into the equation)

    IMHO – if they lost out on Tanaka….they’d still be striving for the 189 to reset the penalties to lower percentages.

    Winning the Tanaka sweepstakes was the primary factor.

  77. pkyankfan69 February 5th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    In awesome news, my power is back on… Only out for about 8 hours!

  78. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    “I don’t doubt that he wants his money, but his preference would be to play SS so my guess is that if the Mets make him an offer that’s in the ball park and give him the chance to play SS out of the gate, he would take that over a similar Yankee offer that has him at 3b this season.”

    I think he will sign with whoever pays him the most…..he’s at the point in his career where he needs to get the most money.

  79. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XH3hgmCKU

    yf, one time machine coming up!

  80. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    “Except that Darvish wasn’t a FA and the Yankees couldn’t have known when they submitted their bid how much the Rangers were going to offer.”

    considering they bid less than they did for Igawa…..I feel very confident saying that they should have known they weren’t winning the bid.

  81. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    ““YF – I’m not comparing them. I’m comparing the experience of signing “unknown” international players who don’t work out. See: Igawa, Contreras”

    But this is the job of your evaluators. They need to be able to tell the difference between Igawa and Darvish, and if they can’t, shame on them. As for the money factor, the Yanks should have been willing to spend for Darvish because doing so would have contributed greatly to the health of the franchise going forward. Instead we had to spend anyway, but for lesser assets and also lost draft picks and trade chips, potential offense as a result. I am very glad we signed Tanaka, but had we made better choices we could have signed Darvish and Tanaka, as well as Kuroda. No one would have been able to touch us, and the stands would have been filled all the time. All my buds at Ennju and Soba Nippon would have been out at the Stadium in full force, waving the flag of the rising sun. Oh well, water under the bridge…

  82. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    FLYER7 February 5th, 2014 at 3:51 pm
    What would Ms want for Montero?
    ===============================

    Eduardo Nunez.
    Everybody loves Nunnie.
    Some want him as 50% of the NYY 3B contingent this year.

    Please tell Seattle how they need this Nunez.

  83. saucY February 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    “What would Ms want for Montero?”

    Pineda and Nunez ;)

  84. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    And they could have kept Cano this year too and still signed everyone they did. Money wasn’t the issue. Cano wanted 10 years and the Yankees weren’t going to give that to him. The Mariners were. The Yankee offer to Cano was extremely fair, Cano said he wanted a deal that paid him when he was in his late 30s and didn’t want to be in a position to negotiate then…likely that is the result of watching his friend Ortiz negotiate with the Red Sox each year and each year whining about how disrespected he feels.

  85. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    The Yanks bid for Darvish was a bid made with the intention of not winning. Alas.

  86. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
    “I don’t doubt that he wants his money, but his preference would be to play SS so my guess is that if the Mets make him an offer that’s in the ball park and give him the chance to play SS out of the gate, he would take that over a similar Yankee offer that has him at 3b this season.”

    I think he will sign with whoever pays him the most…..he’s at the point in his career where he needs to get the most money.
    ———————————–
    If the Mets offer him a 4 year $40 mil deal to play SS should the Yankees out bid them?

  87. Hankflorida February 5th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Hal should order that they steal all of the Cardinals development people…..offer to double their money. There is no luxury tax on stealing executives.

    I could not agree with you more as that was the mantra that Ed Barrow preached to Ruppert in the old days as the Yankees always had the best scouting system that money could buy.

  88. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    i wouldn’t give them campos for montero.

  89. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    I would trade Pineda and Nunez for Montero…..he could play 1B when Tex gets hurt.

  90. blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    “The Yanks bid for Darvish was a bid made with the intention of not winning. Alas.”

    kinda like Cano

  91. Jerkface February 5th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    but let’s just stop the $9M/year stuff.

    If the Yankees wanted to get under the luxury tax limit, it would be 9m. For total cost it was definitely more, but the Yankees paid WAY more for Tanaka. Yankees were penny wise/pound foolish on Darvish. They werent trying to put the best product on the field, they were competing with a desire to keep payroll off of 2014.

  92. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:58 pm
    I would trade Pineda and Nunez for Montero…..he could play 1B when Tex gets hurt.
    ——————-

    Except for the fact that Montero can’t hit or field – yeah, he’s an excellent target

  93. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    do you really think any gm who had pineda would trade him for montero right now?
    (besides jack z?)

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    By the way, for anyone who has been mentioning the name of Cespedes, another begged-for signing by some Yankee fans, he ended up with a 240 BA this season.”

    Trish, you mean in comparison to Vernon’s .233 average and .631 OPS? At least Cespedes was playing through a shoulder injury is only 28 y.o and so far has put up a .265 average and 796 OPS in MLB (49 home runs and 162 RBI through his first 264 games). When healthy he had a stellar Sept., and his playoff stats are pretty darn good, and at a pretty good bang for the buck. I would take that risk with an in prime player.
    ///

    He is also a good hitter against LHP:

    .288 .357 .510 .867 in 347 ML PA.

    No kidding on his Sept/Oct. A 153 OPS+ in 89 PA (most of it, slug, but he also hit .314 over that small sample; maybe he was finally healthy??).

    Should have signed him.

  95. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
    “The Yanks bid for Darvish was a bid made with the intention of not winning. Alas.”

    kinda like Cano
    ————————————-

    They didn’t want to go 10 years on a 31 year old player. Another team was willing to go there. No other offer was going to change his mind.

  96. Chip February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    At this point the Mariners would be lucky to get Cito Culver for Jesus Montero

  97. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Chip February 5th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:58 pm
    I would trade Pineda and Nunez for Montero…..he could play 1B when Tex gets hurt.
    ——————-

    Except for the fact that Montero can’t hit or field – yeah, he’s an excellent target
    =======================================================

    True.
    Keep Pineda.
    Trade only Nunez.
    All is right with the world.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    YF, I would ask you not to conflate Cespedes and Wells. I know you know better!

    ;)

    ************************

    “Texas didn’t think he was an unknown….they were right.”

    I wonder if Texas knew how he would pitch in the Bronx. Hmmm.

    *******************

    I don’t blame the Yankees for going with Pineda (known commodity) over Darvish (unknown commodity).

    And by the way, there was lots of fretting here when we didn’t get Matsuzaka.

    How did that work out?

  99. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    i love this. people on here swore up and down that the scouts were wrong about montero not being able to catch.

    then he gets the starting catcher job in seattle and completely flunks it, and gets demoted and moved to 1B for 16 minor league games.

    now his fans think he’s a 1B.

    lol!

  100. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    blake February 5th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
    “The Yanks bid for Darvish was a bid made with the intention of not winning. Alas.”

    kinda like Cano
    ___
    Yep.
    _____
    In the milb games I watched, Montero was better than I expected at 1B, but it was a sss, and didn’t necessitate him showing any range. But so far, so good.

  101. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Alfred, we got snowed up here today, but really nothing. Unlike the old days, nobody playing, road hockey.

  102. kd February 5th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    darvish and the cubans would have changed the course of this team

    i know i’m stating the obvious

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    OT

    Tell me this is not a seriously beautiful picture!

    http://www.mcssl.com/content/1.....2piece.jpg

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    pkyankfan69 February 5th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    In awesome news, my power is back on… Only out for about 8 hours!
    ///

    Mercer County got crushed :(

    Good for you!

  105. UpState February 5th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

    Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
    i love this. people on here swore up and down that the scouts were wrong about montero not being able to catch.

    then he gets the starting catcher job in seattle and completely flunks it, and gets demoted and moved to 1B for 16 minor league games.

    now his fans think he’s a 1B.

    lol!
    ======================

    but for Nunnie….
    …even if Montero was our Bullpen catcher..I’d do the deal.

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Alfred, we got snowed up here today, but really nothing. Unlike the old days, nobody playing, road hockey.
    ///

    So IOW, nothing that could keep the Prelude down ;)

  107. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    if you wanted cespedes, he was available for trade all winter.

    gardner had a higher OPS than cespedes last year.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “i love this. people on here swore up and down that the scouts were wrong about montero not being able to catch.

    then he gets the starting catcher job in seattle and completely flunks it, and gets demoted and moved to 1B for 16 minor league games.

    now his fans think he’s a 1B.

    lol!”

    Ys Guy – one of the things people do best is automatically transfer someone’s skills to the Bronx. As if they know that someone playing ball in another stadium would automatically do the same thing in the Bronx. Ridiculous.

    While is it a possibility, it is not a guarantee, especially with international players who have never played in the majors here before.

    (So my using Cespedes’ 240 wasn’t really fair either, because nothing says he would have injured himself in the Bronx.)

    We’ve been around long enough to see seasoned MLB players fall apart in the Bronx. We have guarantees that the Cubans would have turned the Yankees around? Like the Cuban Contreras?

    Come on now.

  109. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    that’s heart-attack snow out there today. about the heaviest snow i’ve shoveled in a very long time.

    be careful out there!

  110. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    La Prelude with snows has some winter spirit, and after surviving every season since ’91, I’m not about to let anything touch her.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    jmills,

    The second sculpture, in addition to de Chirico, reminds me of a piece I saw in the middle of a Montreal public square entitled “Malheursement.”

    Not so much in formal design, but in what is subjectively evoked. Very beautiful piece and I agree, astonishing is the word. Thanks for sending (and for bb links :) ).

  112. mick February 5th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    shaving lagrecas goatee on tv right now….kay describing the hairdresser….black shirt, short blonde hair….

  113. austinmac February 5th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    What evidence is there Cespedes was available in a trade?

  114. mick February 5th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    …wait for it….

    interlocking NY

  115. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    “If the Mets offer him a 4 year $40 mil deal to play SS should the Yankees out bid them?”

    uhm….that’s kinda close to the limit I’d go…..probably not.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    “…wait for it….

    interlocking NY”

    :lol:

  117. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    “Except for the fact that Montero can’t hit or field – yeah, he’s an excellent target”

    neither can Nunez

  118. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:17 pm

    blame the stadium, blame the manager, blame the front office, blame the position coach, blame the trainers, whatever.

    prominent in montero’s scouting reports were questions about his footspeed as well as questions about his attitude.

    Now we know the he was also a PED user.

    then there’s the fact that more prospects fail than make it in the bigs.

    he got a shot and didnt do anything with it.

    sad for him, sad for the mariners. sad for the montero’s fans.

    i hope he can come back and resurrect his career, but i doubt it.

  119. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    “They didn’t want to go 10 years on a 31 year old player. Another team was willing to go there. No other offer was going to change his mind.”

    but yet they were comfortable with a 30 year old player at 153 that averaged 108 games a year in his 20′s? They chose to move on from Cano…..if they wanted him he’d still be a Yankee

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    In the milb games I watched, Montero was better than I expected at 1B, but it was a sss, and didn’t necessitate him showing any range. But so far, so good.
    ///

    I watched too, he was adequate enough. His problem has always been slow feet.

    I remember sitting with a friend in Terrace one night and Montero was on first base with barely a lead, but his feet looked glued to the ground and I thought, he could get picked off, even that close to the bag.

    If the stick is good enough, you can get away with a subpar 1B. He can also BU catch. I’m sure they’re having him continue to do offseason drills to acquire greater footspeed.

  121. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Alfred, that piece I acquired pronto post U sans car, remains the best thing I have have brought inside – a slow decline from there :D

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    “but yet they were comfortable with a 30 year old player at 153 that averaged 108 games a year in his 20?s?”

    He hustled to first base in each of those 108 games. And then proceeded to steal second, third, and home.

    I’d call him a good bet.

    :D

  123. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    “He hustled to first base in each of those 108 games. And then proceeded to steal second, third, and home.”

    that’s great but Ichiro will be playing the 55-60 games he misses and that sucks.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    blake, don’t answer this if you don’t want to, but curiously, are you a Taurus?

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    blake, my guess is that he does not miss 55-60 games.

  126. mick February 5th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Don has a black cape on,
    Kay offered the barber a 20 to cut him,
    guy wants 100.

  127. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    “blake, don’t answer this if you don’t want to, but curiously, are you a Taurus?”

    nope….I’m a ferari

  128. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    or a monster truck

  129. Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    they’d still be striving for the 189 to reset the penalties to lower percentages.

    —————————

    If they made the PS 189 would still have been the goal. The Red Sox winning + finishing 3rd + a lack of interest from the fan base + the farm not being ready = the death of 189. Those are the main reasons.

  130. austinmac February 5th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Blake,

    Two injuries from violent collisions does not injury prone make. Please explain why no one else would have been hurt. Usually, I agree with you. Here you are off base.

    Granderson had two broken bones from hit pitches? Weak bones? Injury prone? Likely to happen again?

  131. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    I’m a C, child of the moon, and definitely moody if I go too long without eating.

  132. Patrick February 5th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    blake is a Prius

  133. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    I’m going to have to stick with the Prelude until Ferrari comes calling, right Gilles?

  134. Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
    that’s heart-attack snow out there today. about the heaviest snow i’ve shoveled in a very long time.

    be careful out there!

    ———–

    You’re not lying at all. When I first started earlier I thought oh boy this isn’t the snow we had on Monday smh.

  135. Hankflorida February 5th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    What ever happened to our Cuban player, Mustalier, who hit the ball like a rocket? In the minors, I know that they were trying him out at third before he got hurt.

  136. Patrick February 5th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Just kidding blake

  137. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    let’s get younger, let’s get younger, let’s get younger
    let’s extend cc, (till he’s 37)
    let’s get younger let’s get younger, let’s get younger
    let’s sign cliff lee (till he’s 37)
    let’s get younger, let’s get younger, let’s get younger
    let’s sign josh hamilton (till he’s 36)
    let’s get younger, let’s get younger, let’s get younger
    let’s sign cano (till he’s 41)
    let’s get younger, let’s get younger, let’s get younger
    let’s sign stephen drew (till he’s 35)

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    bigdan22 February 5th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    “. . .would say the restraints are there; so is the facile notions he holds about “bats.”

    —–

    Facile is a really good word. You got conflate in there earlier. You are def winning today :)
    //

    Haha, I missed this :)

  139. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    “Two injuries from violent collisions does not injury prone make. Please explain why no one else would have been hurt. Usually, I agree with you. Here you are off base.”

    I’m not saying that…..I’m just saying that some guys get hurt and he might be one of those guys. Some guys may have had the awareness to not run into other people or not break when they did…..all I know is that he’s only played 140 games 3 times out of 6 years. That’s a big concern for me…..I hope I’m wrong and he can be that guy that plays 140 a year for 7 years…..but his history doesn’t bode well for that.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    blake, I meant astrologically speaking. Funny answer though.

    :)

  141. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    “blake is a Prius”

    hah

  142. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    I think there are a few Geminis on here.

  143. blake February 5th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    I am not a Tauras no….

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    It is well known that the Sux rushed him back before his broken rib had healed because Pukelis led a charge against him in the clubhouse and with the fans saying that he wasn’t pushing hard enough to come back. He was back for one game, and reinjured the same rib that wasn’t healed anyway.

  145. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    i had a taurus once.

    what a piece of crap.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    tom – :lol:

  147. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Don’t go out with a Leo, they’ll rip your lungs out, Jim!

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    I read that Buick had the most highly rated cross-over SUV in 2013 and 2014. Well, I’m pretty sure they said 2014, but I know they said 2013. Kinda pretty too.

  149. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    so what’s the predictions on bogaerts if they dont sign drew?

    possible fantasy sleeper?

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    And timing is everything they say. There’s an international car show this weekend at the Convention Center. That’ll be a first for me. I decided that I wanted to buy a new car AND keep my Integra.

    :)

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Hankflorida February 5th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    What ever happened to our Cuban player, Mustalier, who hit the ball like a rocket? In the minors, I know that they were trying him out at third before he got hurt.
    ///

    Hank, he wasn’t invited to camp.

    Maybe they think he gets hurt too much, and we know they don’t like his defense, because some big mouth anonymously announced to the media that he can’t really play defense.

    Even if they thought it, why they can’t keep their effing mouths shut is beyond me. The poor fellow had to defend himself against his own organization.

    I always find it troubling how the Yankees repeatedly make guys who can hit line drives and make hard and frequent contact, the lesser priority players.

    Again, this philosophy has to be laid at Cashman’s feet.

    He does not seem to understand or value hit tool, or at least, it’s way down on the list of offensive tools.

    The team’s lack in that department is what got them unceremoniously bounced in that 2012 series against Detroit; it’s what couldn’t put them over the edge with the bases loaded – what, three times? – in Game 5 in 2011 (with Montero rotting on the bench); it’s what cost them against Cliff Lee in that heroic but losing cause of Pettitte in 2010…

    And yet, the GM makes a fool of himself talking hyperbole about “hairy monsters” and comically misunderstands his alleged mentor, Gene Michael, whom he claims to have “learned from.”

    From where I sit, he hasn’t learned much Stick magic.

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    Ys – they absolutely love Bogaerts. He’s a huge fan favorite too. I’m sure he’s going to be in the mix real soon, if not sooner.

  153. Against All Odds February 5th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Two injuries from violent collisions does not injury prone make.

    ——————

    They’re still injuries though. They still affect his body.

  154. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    Trish, keep that offspring of the Prelude, the Integra – its just a pup. Have fun with it, AND get another car!

  155. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ObwRJ8HEn1w

    I know I’ve posted it 2 times prior, but I love my car ( I think it makes one a safer driver )

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    Alfred, that piece I acquired pronto post U sans car, remains the best thing I have have brought inside – a slow decline from there :D
    ///

    It is really special. The “forearm” hiding griefs and darkness, the volume and the apparent textures, the rough, broken-off, sawed-off rawness of that breathing block of whatever that is made of… I can only imagine its power and depth in person…

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    jmills – I’m going to! I have a 2-car garage, why not have two cars?! And what I pay in registration and taxes, it’s more than worth it for me to keep my Integra. I will have my cake and eat it too. I really love my little car, but I know that it can start to be expensive in repairs. So I don’t drive it a lot!

    My brother and sister told me that there’s some event coming up that is a big car sale weekend. Maybe it’s Washington’s bday. Anyway, I’m going to look for a new 2013 in whatever I get. I do think I’m leaning toward a small SUV.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    jmills,

    I’m more about quarks than cars, but I must say, that’s a pretty machine.

  159. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
    YF, I would ask you not to conflate Cespedes and Wells. I know you know better!
    _____

    Dic mihi solum facta, domina. ;)

  160. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Alfred, the Shona movement in sculpture from Zimbabwe is, wonderful ( I can’t describe it ). My Brighton Sangos ( the guy is conversing avec stones ), really do belong outside in the elements.

  161. Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    fangraphs has 3 projections posted for bogaerts in 2014 as of now (no drew).

    all 3 have xander posting at least a .750 OPS in 560+ PA’s.

    in 2013 that would have been the 2nd best among AL shorstops.

    so the hype is there.

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    jmills,

    Just make sure Gladys doesn’t find it objectionable and notify the zoning people :)

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:04 pm
    YF, I would ask you not to conflate Cespedes and Wells. I know you know better!
    _____

    Dic mihi solum facta, domina. ;)
    ///

    That won’t do; were your points ever responded to about Cespedes and pineda??

  164. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    Yankeefem,
    Thanks, Sergeant Friday!

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    “Dic mihi solum facta, domina. ;)

    :)

  166. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    jmills, thanks for the sculpture pics. I am meditating on them. :)

    I am a Pisces, and I don’t have red hair, but I eat fish like air. ;)

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Hey, tomorrow’s Ruth’s birthday, I believe.

    How I would love to have a great hit tool/high OPS left-handed hitter for my team this year.

    If he could double as a great LHP, all the better ;)

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    jmills – very nice looking car!

  169. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    tomingeorgia February 5th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
    Yankeefem,
    Thanks, Sergeant Friday!
    _________
    Facta non verba!

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Ys, unfortunately for us, I think he’s the real deal. And he’s got a lot of swagger too.

  171. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    yankeefem,
    Plus valet in manibus unica quam dupla silvis.

  172. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    stick avis in there somewhere.

  173. jmills February 5th, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    yf, I will send a Claude Valery painting I have via Pruf, which is like a fish swimming through a, Rothko ( no kidding ).

    Trish, the ’91 Prelude remains one of the most beautiful, reliable, performance wise, yet reasonable cars ever put out there I.M.O..

  174. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    tomingeorgia February 5th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
    yankeefem,
    Plus valet in manibus unica quam dupla silvis.
    _______
    Bene diagnoscitur, bene curatur.

  175. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Thanks, jmills. I will have some goodies for you as well, but am slow to get to them. …Our lights just flickered. Every time that happens I flash back to the 11 days in which we had no power two years ago, and the 8 days the year before that… :(

  176. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    What could have been… :arrow:

  177. pete2 February 5th, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 5th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    “It is well known that the Sux rushed him back before his broken rib had healed because Pukelis led a charge against him in the clubhouse and with the fans saying that he wasn’t pushing hard enough to come back. He was back for one game, and reinjured the same rib that wasn’t healed anyway.”

    Interesting story there. I was in Boston in 2010 and followed it closely. He actually had 5 broken ribs but Red Sox docs only found 4 on the initial MRI. This MRI was only done weeks after the injury at Ellsbury’s and Boras insistence because the Red Sox were pushing him to play through the pain. Originally their Doc said he doesn’t MRI bruises, which was what their diagnosis was, and implied he was only limited by a low pain threshold. When they cleared him to play after another MRI to verify healing, they did not check the 5th rib, not knowing about it since they skimped on the initial MRI, and it was not healed.

    After he went back to the DL and they found the 5th broken rib, The Red Sox Doc, which is the same one who later cleared Pats Bronkowski to play with a broken forearm, tried to argue it was a new injury but Ellsbury’s Dr said it was clearly an older fracture that had not fully healed.

    The media and fans were all calling Ellsbury soft, taking the Red Sox FO side, and Youkillis made a big deal of him not rehabbing with the team (he went to API in Arizona to work out). Pedroia then showed up Ellsbury by staying with the team and taking GB in the IF on his knees while his broken foot was in a boot. His bravado cost him the season as the foot did not heal properly, thanks also to another wrong diagnosis by the same Red Sox Dr. Francona also fueled the fire by parroting the Red Sox Dr’s side.

    Pedroia went to Ellsbury’s Dr in LA during a road trip and was told he risked serious injury by not waiting until it healed and to shut it down his rehab activities until he felt no pain. Pedroia could not help himself and ended up going back to the DL after 1-2 games for the rest of the season. The difference in the fans and medias treatment of Pedroia and Ellsbury was remarkable. Players like Ellsbury who go year to year intending to be free agents are treated much differently in the press that the Red Sox controls than players who sign team friendly extensions and give up free agent years

    With Ellsbury’s shoulder subluxation a couple of years later, he was again criticized for coming back too late. However, with such injuries the labrum is frequently partially torn. Rehab from a partially torn labrum in lieu of surgery is frequently 3 months, which is how long Ellsbury took, yet nobody mentions that. He was only 1/2 the player he was when he came back to finish the season, and Boras admitted that Ellsbury was still suffering from the effects on his shoulder last year which caused his power numbers to drop.

    The big hope I have with Ellsbury is that his shoulder gets back to 100% and he becomes more like the 2011 Ellsbury. The biggest worry I have is he eventually reinjures it and needs surgery. Hopefully the Yankees took a close look at that shoulder in their physical.

  178. pete2 February 5th, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    ” Ys Guy February 5th, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    fangraphs has 3 projections posted for bogaerts in 2014 as of now (no drew).

    all 3 have xander posting at least a .750 OPS in 560+ PA’s.

    in 2013 that would have been the 2nd best among AL shorstops.

    so the hype is there.”

    Not sure its hype though. The kid can hit, there is no question of that. The big question is can he field the position well enough to stay at SS. That’s why the Red Sox are still in the mix for Drew. They would like to sign him to a 1-2 yr deal
    and have him play 3B in a platoon with Middlebrooks, and have him as insurance in case Boegarts does not field the position well enough. If that happens, they move Drew to SS, Boegarts to 3B and trade Middlebrooks as they have a kid in Pawtuckett Cecchini who will provide depth at 3B. Thats pretty much what we have been propsoing the Yankees do with Drew (insurance for Jeter), but Drew wants at least 3 years before he would consider playing out of position.

  179. longtimefan February 5th, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Always liked David Cone, gives an honest assessment, and I agree McCann was their most important pick-up, least we forget last season.

  180. austinmac February 5th, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    AAO,

    I’m not sure broken ribs and whatever other injury he had are likely to recur. Joints, probably put one more at risk. That is based upon years of not attending medical school.

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