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State of the organization: Third base

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Because we haven’t talked about third base enough this winter, our State of the Organization series moves today to the hot corner. Barring a surprise win through the legal system, Alex Rodriguez has been suspended for all of 2014, leaving the position wide open for a veteran free agent and a series of platoon possibilities. Could be a lot of mixing and matching at third base this year, and chances are, the third baseman we’ll spend the most time talking about will be the one who’s not even with the team.

Johnson (K)Top of the depth chart: Kelly Johnson
Backup options: Eduardo Nunez, Scott Sizemore, Yangervis Solarte, Russ Canzler
Also coming to camp: Dean Anna, Corban Joseph, Zelous Wheeler (Peter O’Brien, Tyler Austin, Adonis Garcia and Jose Pirela have some third base experience as well)
Deeper in the system: Ronnier Mustelier, Eric Jagielo, Miguel Andujar, Dante Bichette Jr.

At this point, it seems the Yankees are banking on Kelly Johnson to be their regular at third base. He’s a left-handed hitter, he has some power, and Yankee Stadium might fit his swing pretty well. He has only limited experience at the position, but the Yankees are in a beggers-can’t-be-choosers situation. As for a backup, they’re really looking for a platoon partner more than a true second stringer. They’re bringing several right-handed options into camp — the above list doesn’t include Brendan Ryan, who can play third but seems to be more of a defensive option up the middle — and the Yankees will sort through those to find a third baseman to play against lefties. If Johnson is hurt, the field could open to include left-handed hitters Dean Anna and Corban Joseph.

Eduardo NunezLingering question: Who plays against lefties?
It wasn’t too long ago that the Yankees seemed to have completely soured on the idea of Eduardo Nunez playing any position except shortstop. He’d struggled in a utility role, and his bat didn’t seem quite bit enough for a move to the outfield, so the Yankees were working with Nunez as if he were a shortstop or bust. Now, he’s thoroughly in the mix at third base, having impressed the Yankees with the way he played down the stretch last season. Either he or Scott Sizemore is probably considered the favorite to win that right-handed platoon job at third base. Sizemore just turned 29 and has hit .272/.357/.422 against lefties in the big leagues. Minor league veterans Yangervis Solarte are also in the mix, but somewhat surprisingly, the Yankees chose not to invite Ronnier Mustelier, who made a strong impression last spring.

Worth watching this spring: Defensive work at third base
One interesting thing about the group of third base candidates coming to big league camp: very few are true third basemen. After years as an everyday second baseman, Johnson got his first big league time at third base just last season (only 12 starts). Nunez’s rocky attempts to learn the position are well documented. Most of Sizemore’s big league time has been at third base, but the vast majority of his career in the minors was spent at second (353 games at second, 20 at third). Solarte has played a quite a bit of third base in the minors, but the majority of his experience is also at second base. Canzler has never played third in the big leagues, and in the past two years he’s played just 22 games at third base in the minors. Anna is primarily second baseman, Ryan is primarily a shortstop, and Joseph is primarily a second baseman. The Yankees need to get offense at the position — something they sorely missed last year — but they need to make sure these guys can actually handle the defensive side of things as well.

Best-case scenario: The right pieces at the right times
If we’re going pie-in-the-sky here, the best-case scenario is built exclusively around Johnson. His career splits against lefties are actually pretty good, and back in 2010 he hit .284/.370/.496 with the Diamondbacks. If he can take advantage of Yankee Stadium’s short porch, he could actually be a really productive player who doesn’t need a platoon partner. But that seems like a pretty extreme hope at this point. More likely the best-case scenario involves Joe Girardi pushing the right buttons at the right times (beginning with picking the right pieces out of spring training). There’s something to be said here for the outside possibility of Derek Jeter playing third base on a regular basis, but for now the Yankees say that’s not on the table. Hard to say whether that would be closer to a best-case or worst-case scenario.

Worst-case scenario: Déjà vu all over again
Let’s just go through the list… Each of these players started at least five games at third base last season: Jayson Nix, David Adams, Alex Rodriguez, Kevin Youkilis, Eduardo Nunez, Luis Cruz, Chris Nelson, Mark Reynolds, Brent Lillibridge, Alberto Gonzalez. Ten guys, and Rodriguez had the highest OPS and second-most RBI of the bunch. So what’s the worst-case scenario for 2014? Basically more of the same. The Yankees tried to give third base to Youkilis last season, but when he got hurt, they really didn’t have a standout third-string option, and they spent most of the year sorting through a bunch of uninspiring options. In a way, they seem deeper this year, but they’re certainly thinner at the top of the depth chart.

Keep an eye on this year: Eric Jagielo
I’d love to come up with some off-the-beaten-path selection here — and I will say, it’s certainly worth seeing whether O’Brien, Austin or Garcia sees significant time at third base this season — but really, the third base curiosity in the Yankees system is last year’s top draft pick. Breaking from their recent trend of high-risk first-round selections (a bunch of high school kids, an elite pitcher who wouldn’t sign, and a long list of complications that came with Andrew Brackman) the Yankees actually made a relatively safe choice with Jagielo, who was a proven college hitter at Notre Dame, and who plays a position of obvious need. He doesn’t seem to have the drool-worthy tools of fellow first-rounder Aaron Judge, but Jagielo could move relatively quickly, there seems to be a near universal agreement that his upside is that of an everyday third baseman. How aggressively will the Yankees advance a guy like this? We really don’t have a good comparison to use as a gauge, but there’s already talk of starting him in High-A Tampa for his first full season as a pro.

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94 Responses to “State of the organization: Third base”

  1. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Pretty sure Dante Bichette JR and his .214/.292/.331/.623 slash in his second year in low A are going to be our savior at 3B ;) ;)

  2. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    …crazy canuck at third. ( I’m going to have a good time no matter what ) Kelly Gruber is still the best

  3. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Brett Lawrie still has a chance of becoming the first Canadian front liner in a Jays uniform. The Expos had, Larry Walker, and that might be asking a little too much, Tim Raines.

  4. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    Granted, I had Paul Quantrill as a most excellent reliever ( his family had, and maybe does still have, a GM car dealership between Port Hope and Cobourg ).

  5. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Fergie Jenkins, the great Canadian anomaly.

  6. Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    The grass is getting green, the smell of leather is in the air, I can’t wait! Call me an optimist, I think the infield apocalypse is not going to happen. I think Kelly Johnson and Eduardo Nunez are going to rise to the occasion at third and we are going to get good offense numbers from the hot corner and passable defense. Sizemore would be a good backup at third.

    At second base I think Roberts may surprise us all and stay healthy at least for a good part of the year and Ryan will back him up with Sizemore an option as well.

    If it doesn’t work out I have every confidence Cashman will get something done to help.

  7. Hankflorida February 6th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    Tabbert February 6th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Who cares about the ” Blueprint” of what what type of offense we should have. We’re projected to Finish top five in runs scored next year. Why does it matter how we get those runs? You want to put a power bat in the outfield just because that’s the ” Blueprint” and then totally disregard how dynamic and valuable a offensive player Ellsbury is, just because he doesn’t have ” Blueprint” power? That’s silly. We’re projected to score over 100+ more runs this year than we did last year and have one of the best offenses in baseball and we night not even have a guy hit thirty homers.

    I would like to believe that this Yankee team will duplicate what the 2012 team in runs scored as I think our starting pitching is better, but if you think that having two table setters like Gardener and Ellsbury in the outfield is the way to go

  8. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    Kelly will probably have the stick at least against righties.

    But he has all of 9 games at 3b.

    So his D is definitely a question mark.

    If Roberts does happen to go down KJ will likely move to 2b leaving Nunez to man 3b FT.

  9. Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Beltran has not been talked about much and I think he will have a monster year getting lots of lefty at-bats at the Stadium. Girardi will keep him healthy and get him DH time.

    I am realistically hoping for a .295BA – 28HR – 95 RBI’s – .350OBP and an .875OPS.

  10. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    I know it doesn’t exist but Carlos is clutch too.

    :)

  11. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    charlestonchew February 6th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    “…. They have several starters ready to step into the 5th spot.
    What’s the point of having Pineda and Phelps and Warren and Nuno and Ramirez, etc etc if they’re not going to be given a shot?…”
    =================================================

    Trading chips.
    Trade 2 for 1 player you really need/want.

  12. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Blojaldo,
    I’m with you. This year is going to be a fun one to watch, whatever happens. I think it will be good things, with more adventure than some would like, but good, nonetheless.

  13. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    UpState-

    Bite your tongue for even suggesting it.

    :)

  14. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    Jmills:

    Listened to a few “Corrs” YouTubes the other night.
    Pleasant.
    Can see anyone not thinking they were pretty good.
    Sorta like the Cranberries ?
    Yes/No ?

    Thanks for the lead to them !

  15. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    MTU February 6th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    UpState-

    Bite your tongue for even suggesting it.

    :)
    ===================================

    …just waiting for the “big slapdown” !!!

  16. Ys Guy February 6th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    hey mills, what should i expect from lawrie this year?
    he’s a very inviting option in fantasy baseball as he’s eligible at 2nd base and way way back in the draft. but every time i have him on my team he’s injured.

  17. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Upstate, I was going to ask you what you thought about the Corrs, but I didn’t want to get sidetracked :D I found them one late afternnoon post work while youtubing Jimi Hendrix’ ” Little Wing ” – of course, there was the Corrs’ ” unplugged ” version.

  18. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Upstate – the Cranberries, yes!

  19. Hankflorida February 6th, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Did not finish, sorry! Tabbert:

    If you think that having two table setters like Gardener and Ellsbury in the outfield is the way to go, you are not looking at the past history of the Yankees. The team last year was a disaster having Suzuki and Gardener playing together and that was set up as the new look for the hybrid Yankees who would not depend on the home run to score. As Ken Singelton said that the team last year had to keep the wheel moving to score and this year”s team is no different. Gardener and Ellsbury can turn walks into doubles but then we need the clutch hits even if it means one base at a time. Let us hope the pitching holds up and gets us through because this team will produce runs likes the past Yankee championship teams.

  20. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    Ys, Lawrie is like Wendal Clark without the ” back it up ” so far.

  21. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    Hank-

    Hope you don’t mind me jumping in.

    Ellsbury might turn out t be more than just a TS at NYS.

    And there are plenty of other guys who can drive him in if need be.

    Don’t forget how clutch Beltran is, for example.

    Power will also be provided by guys like Tex, McCann, and Soriano.

    KJ might even be capable of 20 dingers.

    This team should be at least 100 runs better than last year.

    W the type of lockdown PS they will have they should be formidable.

    My biggest concern is the IF and how well it compliments our 3 to 4 GB-type pitchers.

    :)

  22. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCHOR-rVlQ

    Upstate, this Corrs’ for you!

  23. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    Slope ski boarding has to be the most boring of Olympics sports I’ve ever seen, plus it’s judged. Awful. If it isn’t timed or measured or won by competitive score, it ain’t worth watching. I love watching those Nordic girls curling! If slope ski boarding is an Olympic sport, then baseball HAS to be.

  24. Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 8:00 pm
    Blojaldo, I’m with you. This year is going to be a fun one to watch, whatever happens. I think it will be good things, with more adventure than some would like, but good, nonetheless.
    ________________________

    Well said. You know if we manage to overcome the predicted adversity and doom and gloom surrounding the infield and pen and manage to have a great year, it will be all the more satisfying and sweet. I like the fact that all the pieces are not neatly in place, it will be cool to see those who many have predicted will fail, vets and young guys, try to rise to the occasion. They read what’s being written hopefully they will relish the challenge. I love all the new faces; can’t wait to see Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann in pinstripes.

  25. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    Slope ski boarding has to be the most boring of Olympics sports I’ve ever seen, plus it’s judged. Awful. If it isn’t timed or measured or won by competitive score, it ain’t worth watching. I love watching those Nordic girls curling! If slope ski boarding is an Olympic sport, then baseball HAS to be.
    ————
    This is the ladies on now… The guys do some crazy stuff… You have to see how large some of these jumps are in person to really appreciate it… These girls have some major balls

  26. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    The 1/2 pipe is much better, so is big air but I don’t think that’s in the Olympics

  27. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    pk,
    Any sport based on “style points” will never grab me. If these people want to be Evel Knievel, let them, but for what? The IOC tried to get rid of wrestling which was one of the original sports in the ancient Greek version of the games, then they allow this crap, invented yesterday? I don’t think so.

  28. bigdan22 February 6th, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    “but Jagielo could move relatively quickly, there seems to be a near universal agreement that his upside is that of an everyday third baseman”

    —–

    Once again, it is patently absurd to set ceilings and “upsides” on minor leaguers who have yet to play a full season of professional ball. At present, Jagielo’s “upside” lies somewhere between Eric Duncan and Mike Schmidt. So there it is.

    Oh, btw. A minor league scouting report on Mike Schmidt mentioned that he had “some occasional power” and was “more of AAA with bat but a question mark.”

    Love the internet.

  29. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Tom – Understand where you’re coming from but my take is slightly different. Style points in events like that are ok for me… what I hate is when players go for style points in games in which style points mean nothing – games that score is actually kept to determine the winner and loser :)

  30. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    I prefer the skiing/snowboarding based on time (downhill) but slopestyle and halfpipe require a tremendous amount of skill, it doesn’t matter when they were created… Snowboarding btw has been around since the 60′s.

  31. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    pk – the downhill is pretty scary to me … the one time I went skiing (described here weeks ago in embarassing detail) I probably reached a top speed of 7 mph but it felt like I was going a hundred! Those downhillers are nuts!

  32. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Chicken,

    I was a big skier for a long time, skiing 50-100 days a year for quite a few years… Can’t imagine going the speeds the downhillers go, they’re nuts (including the girls.)… I think they’re nuts and I’ve broken 4 bones on the right side of my face, my left wrist twice, my collerbone, and a few fingers for good measure.

  33. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    chicken,
    If they had style points in high-jumping, the Fosbury Flop would have been ruled out.

    pk,
    So do synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics. Which would you rather watch, a 400 meter sprint or an Asian girl twirling ribbons, for the same medal?

  34. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    jmills February 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCHOR-rVlQ

    Upstate, this Corrs’ for you!
    ===============================

    That ‘piccolo’ does give it that Irish flavor….actually – it was pretty good !

    THX !!!

  35. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Tom,

    I think you misread mine… I typically prefer the events judged by time as opposed to objective judging scores.

  36. pkyankfan69 February 6th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    I’m also obviously biased in favor of skiing/boarding… I realize ice skating takes a lot of skill but I’m not at all into this.

  37. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    How is…..

    “Jagielo”

    …pronounced ?

  38. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    Giggolo.

    :)

  39. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    jmills/Upstate – you guys mentioned the Cranberries… one of my favorite songs:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5wF-E9D8Y

  40. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    OK, pk,
    But I object to SUBJECTIVE judging. I like nothing better tan a 3-2 hockey game, or a 3-2 baseball game, or a 7’10″ high jump, not a “ten” on a scorecard held up by somebody from Lithuania. Nothing against Lithuania, by the way, just all “judges” in those sports.

  41. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    How is…..

    “Jagielo”

    …pronounced ?

    ——————————–

    Jajello…. or maybe Jageyelow… or Hageelo. Short answer – I have no idea :)

  42. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    chicken,
    Let him get here and he can tell us himself.

  43. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Hag-Lee-O….(Hageelo)

    ….must be it !

  44. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    Tom – :)

  45. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
    jmills/Upstate – you guys mentioned the Cranberries… one of my favorite songs:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5wF-E9D8Y

    ========================================

    VG !
    Bit more of an edge than the Corrs..
    Good vocals !

  46. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Upstate – the Corrs are not my normal style of music but I have to admit the link jmills provided was very very good!

  47. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Off topic – I ordered Chinese for dinner tonight… have to share my fortune cookie – “sometimes travel to new places leads to great transformation”. LOL! How many more place do I need to travel to for a great transformation! :D

  48. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    Glenn-

    That will be answered in another fortune cookie.

    Stay tuned.

    ;)

  49. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Mike – I eat Chinese about twice a year so I guess I’ll have to be content to wait for an answer :)

  50. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Glenn-

    The Chinese have long view of things so I guess you’ll have to.

    :)

  51. blake February 6th, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Last time I ate at a Chinese place I opened my fortune cookie and there was no fortune inside…..not sure what that means

  52. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Blake-

    That means anything is possible.

    Very lucky.

    ;)

  53. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    Blake – Mike stole my thunder with the anything possible post. :)

    Gonna turn in… hope you all have a good night

  54. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    blake,
    It means some guy in Jersey City was goofing off.

  55. Spudz February 6th, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    I think Jacoby will make gang a better baserunning/steal threat. I bet between both of them they steal close to 100.

  56. Spudz February 6th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    GGBG not gang.

  57. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Nighty nite Glenn.

    Don’t let the bed bugs bite.

    :)

  58. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Mike – don’t even joke about bed bugs… a frequent traveler’s worst nightmare :)

  59. MTU February 6th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Glenn-

    You should see if you can stay at Hal’s places.

    No bed bugs there.

    ;)

  60. UpState February 6th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
    Mike – don’t even joke about bed bugs… a frequent traveler’s worst nightmare :)
    ===========================================

    …thought possums & honey badgers were pretty much more troublesome

  61. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    Bed bugs are an innkeeper’s nightmare.

  62. Jerkface February 6th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    I think Jacoby will make gang a better baserunning/steal threat. I bet between both of them they steal close to 100.

    Considering that when healthy Gardner has stolen 47 and 49 bags in a season, I think 100 combined is probably in the bag.

  63. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Upstate – you guys keep making me laugh, thus keeping me from my bed :)

    As for possums, no problem – when corned, they play dead. Honey Badger, on the other hand, scares me to death because he doesn’t give a $hit! (warning – language)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

  64. tomingeorgia February 6th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    chicken,
    My possums don’t play possum. I had to place kick the last one off the back porch. I would have punted him (or her) if I could still swing the leg that well.

  65. chicken_stanley February 6th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Tom – true enough… I should have said they play dead… when corned, they can be pretty ornery!

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