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Thursday notes and links: McCann, Phelps, Banuelos and Ruth

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 06, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Babe Ruth was born on this date in 1895. He played his final Major League game in 1935, and he remains — in my opinion — the greatest baseball player who ever lived. I’m not sure anyone else is going to have an opportunity to prove himself as both a hitter and a pitcher like Ruth did (and his hitting performance alone probably makes him the greatest of all time even without those years of exceptional pitching). Random upcoming Ruth event: The city of Fayetteville, N.C. is about to celebrate Ruth’s first ever professional home run.

A few other notes and links on this Thursday night…

Brian McCann, Joe Girardi· Nice story from John Harper about new Yankees catcher Brian McCann, who was apparently compared to Thurman Munson while the Yankees were discussing whether to go after him this offseason. “As a dad, that was pretty cool to hear because (Munson) was one of my all-time favorite players,” McCann’s father, Howie, told Harper. “And Mr. Steinbrenner said when he heard that, he said, ‘Go get him.’”

· Jon Morosi brings up an interesting factor that could be impacting the market for Stephen Drew: Cuban shortstop Aledmys Diaz should be eligible to sign before the end of the month. The Yankees have been at least loosely connected to Diaz.

· David Phelps is shooting for the fifth spot in the Yankees rotation, but he could fall back into a bullpen role this season. “I would obviously love to be a starter,” Phelps told Anthony McCarron. Have to assume that Phelps is a near lock for the bullpen if he doesn’t make the rotation. Michael Pineda, Adam Warren and Vidal Nuno are seen as the other candidates for the fifth starter job. Pineda is, of course, getting the most attention of that group.

· Speaking of McCarron, he spotted Dean Anna, Scott Sizemore and Cito Culver going through infield drills with Derek Jeter today. Jeter, of course, went through his usual routine of batting practice and ground balls.

· Manny Banuelos told ESPN New York that he feels just like he did before undergoing Tommy John surgery about a year and a half ago. “It feels normal, just like before surgery,” Banuelos said. “I feel ready to go.”

· Worth mentioning our best wishes to Curt Schilling, who announced this week that he’s been diagnosed with cancer. I’m sure he’s not the most popular guy around here, but I certainly wish him nothing but the best while trying to fight such a disease.

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245 Responses to “Thursday notes and links: McCann, Phelps, Banuelos and Ruth”

  1. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/user/tigermoth737

    Dido, Villeneuve, ” White Flag “

  2. jmills February 6th, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nuX-sSseQR4#

    Correct link, last one was, Corrupted!

  3. ffello February 6th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    Has anyone realized that the starting rotation could well be: SabathiA, KurodA, TanakA, PinedA, NovA? So, they could be called the AAAAAh Team. Just thinking out loud.

  4. Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    A pretty devastating take down of Jesus Montero by Wallace Matthews.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....us-montero

    Nice support from your GM!

    “If he makes the team, great,” Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik told MLB.com in December. “Great for Jesus Montero, great for this organization. But at this time, if you are bringing him in here and counting on him, I think that’s a little too risky at this point. I think you’d be foolish to say you were counting on this guy.”

  5. Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    “I’ve heard rumblings that he’s a little bit of a [diva], and he’s lazy over there,” the source said. “I hear King Felix [Hernandez] hates throwing to him, and that he’s coc*y way beyond his accomplishments. Hey, he’s been written up as this great cover boy and so maybe that went to his head and he doesn’t work as hard. I don’t know.”

  6. Pat M. February 6th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Mariners wanted to move him last spring but the calls weren’t being returned. The book on him spread quickly, Jesus likes to go fishing on the down and away offspeed stuff. And oh by the way, you don’t need to throw them for strikes….

  7. blake February 6th, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    “Mariners wanted to move him last spring but the calls weren’t being returned. The book on him spread quickly, Jesus likes to go fishing on the down and away offspeed stuff. And oh by the way, you don’t need to throw them for strikes….”

    As I said yesterday….when you see his swing you see real potential….but the problem is that at the big league level that’s only part of the equation. If you can’t make adjustments and think along with big league pitchers then you’re not gonna make it….no matter how much physical talent you have. I haven’t seem Monterk show the ability to make adjustments yet

  8. blake February 6th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Pat M,
    You know anything about this Diaz kid? I just know what I’ve read…..I’m assuming he’s not a guy you can just sign and stick right into a big league lineup? Sounds like he’d need at least some minor league time first

  9. Deal With It February 6th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Has there been a ‘Chicken’ sighting ?

  10. Jerkface February 6th, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Scott Boras wants an opt-out clause for Stephen Drew after Year 1 of a multiyear deal, a source told ESPNNewYork.com.

    THis is an opt out I can get behind. Cashman pls

  11. Pat M. February 6th, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    blake…Are you talking Cubbies Diaz ??? Good pal of mine who works for The Cubs says Diaz could be ready to make the jump by mid summer if Castro was to get dinged up…..Castro is going to get moved think All Star break, in fact he could have been had this winter but Theo is asking high price and wants to buy time for Diaz…..As I mentioned before, Lee had dispatched a full crew last summer to watch Yankee farm games and has a full crew scheduled for this season as well…..

  12. pete2 February 6th, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    What I remember of Montero in his short time with the Yankees is him having nice swing that could take the ball the other way with power. Just goes to show how important character and makeup are. If you don’t work hard, in season and in the offseason, you are not going to reach your potential.

    It does make the Pineda trade a bit easier to take. I thought there were clear signs he had some arm issues in Seattle in the 2nd half of 2011. But maybe him and Campos can recover. If Pineda can be 80% of what he was in the 1st half of 2011 this rotation will look pretty good (especially if CC bounces back)

  13. pete2 February 7th, 2014 at 12:28 am

    blake February 6th, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    “As I said yesterday….when you see his swing you see real potential….but the problem is that at the big league level that’s only part of the equation. If you can’t make adjustments and think along with big league pitchers then you’re not gonna make it….no matter how much physical talent you have. I haven’t seem Monterk show the ability to make adjustments yet”

    Last year of course he was distracted by the Biogenesis investigation and looming suspension. In 2012 he actually hit well away from SAFECO with a 295/330/.438/.768 and his 2nd half was better than his 1st half.

    Jack Z’s comments probably takes a lot of pressure off and perhaps being on the same team as Cano will help him find his bearings. 1B may be in his future though. He was only 23 last year so still young enough to shake off the bad start to his career

  14. UnKnown February 7th, 2014 at 12:37 am

    I’d take Montero back in a heartbeat and throw him at 1B. Dude would get back to feeling good and confident and be an absolute beast.

  15. bigdan22 February 7th, 2014 at 12:38 am

    That’s an awesome article on Montero. Love the part where the scout said that no one thought he’d ever be a catcher. I remember how funny it was his last couple years with the Yanks. It was so obvious that they were involved in a massive disinformation campaign to deceive everyone that he was a catcher yet the Yanks bent over backwards not to let him catch their major league pitchers lol!

    I think he might have been in Trenton a few years ago and there was a video going around of one of his home runs. It might have been on another blog but I posted some comment that I didn’t like how he was yucking it up and that I thought it showed he had character issues. I was roundly criticized by several posters saying I was reading too much into an isolated instance. And those folks were right. I was reading too much into that video. Funny, but it turns out he was diva after all.

    Character has really always been the real blockage with this guy. But I’d still like the Yanks to get him back (not for Pineda of course, as was foolishly suggested by someone on this site a couple days ago). He’s one of the few young guys around with a real hit tool. The ability to get the barrel of the bat on the ball and hit it hard. Seems like a lost art. He just needs a new environment. Like the Sanchize.

  16. Pat M. February 7th, 2014 at 1:06 am

    Hit tool ???? it’s been missing for 2 seasons. Remember this. Chances are that Jesus Montero will never out hit, never out perform Kevin Moss… Hell he might not even approach Shane Spencer

  17. Blojaldo February 7th, 2014 at 1:24 am

    Sometimes investors for whatever reason are so in love with a poorly performing stock that they hold on to it too long and really get hosed, riding it down into oblivion. Like shares of Hughes, Inc. and Joba Industries for example.

    There’s a very plausible school of thought that says after a number of years of watching him closely, the Yankees knew what they had, or didn’t have, with Montero. And that dealing him for Pineda and Campos when they did was a smart move.

  18. bigdan22 February 7th, 2014 at 1:26 am

    Hit tools don’t disappear. It’s something you are born with. Now maybe it goes undeveloped because of a lack of work ethic or too much space between your ears. Unrealized talent exists in a lot of professions. But true talent is rare. And Montero is certainly young enough to re-discover the Mojo. But will he? Who knows but worth a flier.

  19. bigdan22 February 7th, 2014 at 1:29 am

    Sometimes investors for whatever reason are so in love with a poorly performing stock that they hold on to it too long and really get hosed, riding it down into oblivion. Like shares of Hughes, Inc. and Joba Industries for example

    ——

    That’s why you let other guy take the hit and you buy low. The Yanks sold high on Montero. They just should have got paid in dollars instead of yen :)

  20. Blojaldo February 7th, 2014 at 1:33 am

    . . . and sometimes, no matter how talented, they just can’t get it done it in New York. I think that’s what made the Core Four so great, in addition to their talent and work ethic. It was the ice water that ran through their veins, the ability to compartmentalize and shut everything out while maintaining a singular focus on the job at hand. No fear, no ego, no drama; give me the ball or the bat when it’s all on the line.

    Being under the LoHud microscope is just too tough for some to handle. :)

  21. bigdan22 February 7th, 2014 at 1:35 am

    “No fear, no ego, no drama; give me the ball or the bat when it’s all on the line.”

    —–

    Sounds like Tanaka.

  22. bigdan22 February 7th, 2014 at 1:36 am

    “the ability to compartmentalize and shut everything out while maintaining a singular focus”

    ——

    Sounds like Reggie.

  23. Blojaldo February 7th, 2014 at 1:37 am

    bigdan22 February 7th, 2014 at 1:35 am
    Sounds like Tanaka.
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    Like button :)

  24. sevrox February 7th, 2014 at 4:49 am

    re: Montero’s ‘character’ – took my son when he was 7 yrs old to a SWB Yankees game. Stadium is about a quarter full – Montero grounds weakly to first base in his first at bat – yells out ‘F*CK!’ at the top of his lungs which the entire quiet almost-empty stadium can hear.

    That was enough for me.

  25. blake February 7th, 2014 at 6:32 am

    @HardballTalk: Stephen Drew wants opt-out after one year http://t.co/LhWWR7s6N6

    Here is what you do.

    3/36 with an opt out after year 1.

    14 million in 2014, 12 million in 2015 and 10 million in 2016.

    Drew gets security and the same money he would have got with the QO and the Yanks likely get out of it after 2014 as he would opt out if he was healthy…..win/win. Do it Cash

  26. blake February 7th, 2014 at 6:34 am

    And even if he doesn’t opt out…..you still have a pretty good player for a 12 million AAV

  27. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:20 am

    blake, you’ve commented almost daily about how injury prone ellsbury is.

    you do realize he’s played 162 more games than drew the LAST 3 years right?

    and you want to give Drew 3 years AND and opt out?

  28. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:24 am

    YS,

    You understand the different levels of commitment between those two players right? Ellsbury signed for 153 million dollars and 7 years! With Drew you’re talking about a fraction of that…..the risk level is totally different. If they could have got Jacoby for 3/36 that would have been awesome too…..it’s apples to oranges because the money is so drastically different

  29. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:24 am

    if they start giving players like drew opt outs soon they will be like ntc’s where everyone has one.

  30. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:26 am

    well all i can say is i hope this one works out the same as your josh hamilton campaign of last year.

  31. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:27 am

    The Yankees did this with Soriano with the opt outs…..they did that so that he WOULD opt out and make the contract shorter.

    It’s a sneaky way to get a shorter deal……sure there is some risk ….but players always opt out. Boras wants to be able to take Drew back into the market next year when no draft pick will be attached…..

  32. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:28 am

    Ys Guy says:
    February 7, 2014 at 7:26 am
    well all i can say is i hope this one works out the same as your josh hamilton campaign of last year.

    I wanted Hamilton for way less money than he signed for….and BTW don’t be shocked if he’s a lot better this year. He looked a lot more like himself at the end of 2013

  33. Doreen February 7th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    Good morning -

    blake, I just read yesterday (I think a twitter snippet) that said Josh Hamilton gained 20 pounds in the off-season.

  34. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    The Yankees can essentially make it a one year deal for Drew if they structure it right

  35. pkyankfan69 February 7th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    I could go for this lineup by July

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    3B – Aram
    2B – Drew
    LF – Gardner

    B – Ryan – Johnson – Ichiro – Cervelli

    DL – Roberts

    Nunez in AAA or on the Brewers

  36. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:32 am

    the only opt out in a drew contract should be for the club.

    drew is the beggar here, you dont give him extras when he’s got the hat in hand.

  37. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:33 am

    “blake, I just read yesterday (I think a twitter snippet) that said Josh Hamilton gained 20 pounds in the off-season”

    He did….. Late last year he looked back. Something was up with him…..you don’t go from MVP level to flat out suckingike he did with no injury almost overnight like that. I don’t know if it was the tobacco or his eyes or just something personal going on but he wasn’t right for like a year……he was looking more like himself at the end of 2013

  38. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:36 am

    hamilton did have an ops of 850 in september, his best month, (after they were elimiated) but you know what they say about september statistics…

    also, even .850 is not cutting it at $24.5 AAV

  39. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:37 am

    “drew is the beggar here, you dont give him extras when he’s got the hat in hand.”

    3/36 is a good deal for him anyway IMO …..if you give him an opt out after 2014 though then chances are it becomes a 1 year deal and that’s what the Yankees really want I would guess. He’s not going to take a 1 year deal straight…..this is a sneaky way to effectively make it happen

  40. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:39 am

    Ptyanks is giving me a run for my money with Aram

  41. mick February 7th, 2014 at 7:40 am

    Does SDrew want to play 3B or 2B?
    I guess he would do it for the money.
    He might not even play f/t at 3B.
    They aren’t offering him 14m or even 10 on a maybe.

  42. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:42 am

    As I said yesterday I think Hals concern is the 2015 payroll more than this year now that they are over 189……because right now they are like 25 million shy of their 2013 payroll for this year.

    The problem is that Arod comes back next year…or his money anyway so that’ll make it difficult to keep the payroll down given what they already have on the books…..

  43. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:43 am

    i just would not offer him a multi year deal. he doest deserve one, he’s way too injury prone, imo. way to big a chance you’d be paying him on the DL.

    let him be a met.(and even they wont give him 3 years)

  44. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    Does SDrew want to play 3B or 2B?
    I guess he would do it for the money.
    He might not even play f/t at 3B.
    They aren’t offering him 14m or even 10 on a maybe.”

    I’m sure his preference is to play SS but hey it’s Feb 7 now….if there was a deal out there he liked to play SS he would have already signed it.

  45. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:46 am

    One week until Pitchers and Catchers report!

  46. mick February 7th, 2014 at 7:47 am

    Hal can no longer be accused of not spending.
    He doled out .5b on FA’s.
    He likely just feels he’s spent enough.
    189 was just a parameter, he came close enough in his mind .
    There’s nothing much out there. If the team falls apart there’s nothing he can do about it at this point.

  47. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:48 am

    “i just would not offer him a multi year deal. he doest deserve one, he’s way too injury prone, imo. way to big a chance you’d be paying him on the DL.”

    Were to ok with them giving Ellsbury 153 million?

  48. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:48 am

    at this point, boras needs a face-save with drew.

  49. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    i would not have given ellsbury a 7 year deal, no.

  50. mick February 7th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    They obviously don’t want Drew, not on his terms.
    They just look at him as SS insurance and don’t like his bat enough to replace Ryan.

  51. Ys Guy February 7th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    however i dont think ellsbury has the injury risk of drew.

  52. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    “Hal can no longer be accused of not spending.”

    No….but they did lower payroll for 2014 and the reason they are in the mess they are in and had to spend 1/2 a billion was because he foolishly tried to get under a 189 number that they just weren’t ready or able to do.

  53. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Ys Guy says:
    February 7, 2014 at 7:49 am
    however i dont think ellsbury has the injury risk of drew.

    He better not….:he got like 5x more money

  54. coney1 February 7th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 20m

    Mets not interested in an opt-out clause for Stephen Drew after one year of a multi-year deal, writes Adam Rubin. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....um=twitter
    ————-

    This is where I could see the Yankees having interest. They can use some help around the infield in 2014. Drew gives them that. If he has an outstanding year, great. If that causes him to opt out and look for a bigger deal, more power to him. If he prices himself out of the Yankees market, then they don’t re-sign him. If he’s just ok, then at least they have a 1-2 year stopgap replacement for Jeter for 2015 and 2016.

  55. mick February 7th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    They look to be ready to go with Johnson and Nunez at 3rd, Roberts at 2nd.
    Likely won’t last but Drew is not the savior in their eyes.

  56. mick February 7th, 2014 at 7:55 am

    That opt out was for the Yankees eyes only.
    He knows arod is coming back and jeter is a wildcard .
    They are bidding against themselves again.
    Offer him 1/5m and if that’s all that’s out there then he’ll take it.
    Unless the rs are playing the same game.

  57. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    Hi, Ys, don’t know if you got my reference last night when you asked about, lawrie and I compared him to Wendal Clark. Clark, like Lawrie, was an often injured player ( in hockey ), but Clark was a big time producer whenever out there, Lawrie is no where near that level of consistency…..don’t know if you want him for your pool.

  58. blake February 7th, 2014 at 7:58 am

    They should sign Drew and Diaz…..let Drew opt out after year 1 and then hopefully this Diaz cat will be ready to play by 2015…..or they can find another option

  59. mick February 7th, 2014 at 7:58 am

    he foolishly tried to get under a 189 number that they just weren’t ready or able to do.
    ===================
    do you mean he didn’t want to overpay for a lack of value out there?
    or not spending on IFAs like darvish, cespedes etc…

  60. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:00 am

    in response to the comments about jesus montero last night .

    david ortiz through age 23 before playing his age 24 season:

    10 homers 50 rbis 347 at bats over three mlb seasons

    ortiz became primarily a DH at age 24

    was ortiz ‘s career done at through age 23?

    no?

    you think maybe because he did one thing exceptionally well? like hit?

    jesus montero through age 23 before playing his age 24 season:

    22 homers 83 rbis 677 at bats over three mlb seasons

    montero’s career over at age 23?

    ortiz didn’t show any great success until he was able to get three full years in dhing .

    no one knows what montero will do going forward, but to think he hasn’t shown promise is ignoring david ortiz’s slow development.

    david ortiz had so many questions about him that the twins outright released him at age 27:
    http://brainerddispatch.com/st.....p_12170200

    what the twins did is a cautionary tale in deciding too soon about young players.

    seattle should pay heed to david ortiz’s struggles to establish himself as a mlb player.
    … but if they really don’t think he fits in with the mariners, they should do what the twins did and release him outright .

    no downside to rolling those dice right?

    all i can say is i’d be really concerned if the red sox picked up montero for nothing the way they picked up ortiz for nothing.

  61. pkyankfan69 February 7th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    I still don’t get why the Yanks have any faith in Nuney?

    PROS
    Hit’s for an ok AVG
    He’s fast

    CONS
    Doesn’t walk
    No power
    Can’t field
    Made of glass

    Maybe Levine thinks it’s funny when his helmet falls off all the time.

    Nunez is not a major league player.

  62. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:02 am

    “do you mean he didn’t want to overpay for a lack of value out there?
    or not spending on IFAs like darvish, cespedes etc…”

    I think they just weren’t putting money on the 2014 books…..it’s why they passed on Darvish, Cespedes….Soler, Puig….all those guys. Turns out it was a big opportunity lost and it ended up costing them a lot more money in the long run. They had to pay a lot more for Tanaka……had to give Ellsbury 153 million etc…….

    that’s the irony here…..had they spend some money a couple of years ago on longterm fixes then maybe they actually COULD have got under 189…….but they didn’t…..the bottom fell out of the club in 2013 and they had to spend 1/2 a billion dollars to avoid a fan revolt.

    Doesn’t seem all that efficient to me.

  63. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Ortiz is a pretty rare example…..and also he was juicing out of his mind when Manny was there and probably has never stopped taking PEDs of some sort IMO. Sure Montero could follow a similar path and he might….he’s got the physical talent to be a good hitter…..but Oritz is a big outlier in what happens with most players.

  64. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:06 am

    Drew

    Average games played over last three years-96

    BA vs lefties last 3 years-.204 (.196 last year)

    Let’s say Yankees face a lefty, what 25% of the time? Now his value should be set at 72 games a season, because essentially he offers little more than Ryan when he’s in the lineup vs a lefty starter.

    Offer him 5 million with incentives based on how many days he is with the parent club, beyond 96.

    More than fair.

  65. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    ‘.but Oritz is a big outlier in what happens with most players.”

    any all star player is a outlier to what happens to most players.

  66. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:10 am

    “Drew

    Average games played over last three years-96″

    Ellsbury has averaged 108 for his career and they gave him 153 million dollars.

    “Let’s say Yankees face a lefty, what 25% of the time? Now his value should be set at 72 games a season, because essentially he offers little more than Ryan when he’s in the lineup vs a lefty starter.”

    but he hits RHP WAY better than Ryan and you face RHP like 2/3 of the time. You could sit Drew vs some lefties is you want….but either way being able to hit against 2/3 of the pitchers is better than being able to hit against none of the pitchers.

    again Drew isn’t a perfect player…..but his flaws are reflected in his price. If he didn’t get hurt and could hit lefties he’d get 100 million.

  67. mick February 7th, 2014 at 8:10 am

    Drew is in no position to dictate and obviously his demands are too high.
    He will have to settle unless Boras cons some team into it.
    They obviously want to try again next year knowing they have overplayed their hand.

  68. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
    A pretty devastating take down of Jesus Montero by Wallace Matthews.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo…..us-montero

    Nice support from your GM!

    “If he makes the team, great,” Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik told MLB.com in December. “Great for Jesus Montero, great for this organization. But at this time, if you are bringing him in here and counting on him, I think that’s a little too risky at this point. I think you’d be foolish to say you were counting on this guy.”

    Blojaldo February 6th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
    “I’ve heard rumblings that he’s a little bit of a [diva], and he’s lazy over there,” the source said. “I hear King Felix [Hernandez] hates throwing to him, and that he’s coc*y way beyond his accomplishments. Hey, he’s been written up as this great cover boy and so maybe that went to his head and he doesn’t work as hard. I don’t know.”

    ******

    wow, just wow, speechless

  69. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:14 am

    I’d been hearing so much about Drew without looking into his #s. Given the fact the Jays are on an obvious budget whether they need to be or don’t ( they probably don’t given Rogers ), money could probably be better allocated elsewhere. I’m not nuts about Santana or Jimenez, but 3 year contracts in the 40 plus million range I guess is reasonable ( I’d take it ). :)

  70. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    in the obvious corner this morning:

    Yankees’ outfield prospects have something to prove

    http://nypost.com/2014/02/06/y.....-to-prove/

  71. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    “any all star player is a outlier to what happens to most players.”

    uhm yea….but still all you’re saying is that it’s possible …..lots of things are possible. Doesn’t make it likely.

  72. mick February 7th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    but he hits RHP WAY better than Ryan and you face RHP like 2/3 of the time. You could sit Drew vs some lefties is you want….but either way being able to hit against 2/3 of the pitchers is better than being able to hit against none of the pitchers.
    =======================================
    This is all based on Jeter’s absence.
    Let’s say he plays 140 games at SS.
    We don’t know if Drew would want to potentially platoon at 3B .
    If he does he will have to take a lowball offer.

  73. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Anybody hear that Jeff Baker is toxic in the dressing room?; one media mouth up here is spouting that as a reason the Jays had little interest.

  74. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    I can only assume Pat M is alluding to Kevin Mass… whom did not came to the major til 25, the great shame spencer did not reach major til 26. regardless, to call Montero’s career essentially over at 24 is a bit premature. The guy was a disaster LY, but come on.

  75. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    “They obviously want to try again next year knowing they have overplayed their hand.”

    the opt out gives them the opportunity to do that. He turned down a 1 year deal for 14+ million already……Boras wants to save face here…..doing a 3/36 deal with an opt out after 1 year gives him the chance to do that and it also gives the Yankees an infield option for probably only 1 year…..only way he wouldn’t opt out is if he had a serious injury and missed a lot of time. Now with Drew that is possible…..but it’s a risk they should take….3/36 is undermarket for him anyway even if he doesn’t opt out.

  76. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    one week until pitchers and catchers

    that’s exciting.

    the yankees have gone through so much change i think this team is going to have to play a bit to see what they have.

    it’ll probably take all of spring training and 6 weeks of the season to see how the new players fit in.

    should the yankees sign drew to give some expensive depth to the infield?

    my feeling is that jeter and teixeira have to come back to some semblance of their former selves or it won’t matter anyways because the yankee season will be over if both these guys flame out.

    i’m ok with starting the season and seeing what they have.

  77. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    “I need to develop every aspect of my game a little more,’’ he said. “They say that Double-A pitching is the best in the minor leagues and I went in there with, I don’t know, not as humble as I should have been, and got my butt kicked. I learned a lot.’’

    As for the farm system, Austin said, “We know the ability we all have, we all know we can play and we have a great staff in there, trying to get us to the big leagues,’’ Austin said.
    The young outfielders have a new voice to listen to in Mike Quade, the former Cubs manager the Yankees recently hired to work with the outfielders.

    “He’s an awesome guy,” Austin said. “I’m happy he’s here and I think I’m going to learn a lot from him.’’

    It’s time to learn and grow and show the baseball world the Yankees indeed do have prospects.

  78. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Sizemore finally feeling good amid first spring with Yanks

    http://nypost.com/2014/02/06/s.....ith-yanks/

  79. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Blake

    The Yankees are too overloaded with left handed bats already. He has never played third and ST is here. His value to the Yankees is as insurance if Jeter goes down, in which case he’d likely platoon with Ryan.

    I’m sorry, I’m off that train.

    But, I still value your input and debate. :)

  80. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:22 am

    I was a huge Montero fan, but, I think Cashman made the right move in trading him. Sometimes the FO has more info on players than we could hope to have, and thus moves are made that make no sense to us at the time.

    I’ll say thing about Montero I had a big problem with, in AAA he would not sign autographs for the fans, and when asking other players about this, they laughed and said, “He’s waiting until he gets paid to sign them.”

    He was a Diva in AAA, and it appears nothing has changed, except now he stinks!

  81. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    “uhm yea….but still all you’re saying is that it’s possible …..lots of things are possible. Doesn’t make it likely.”

    baseball is a probability game.

    the odds are stacked against any young player becoming a star player.

    i don’t see what your point is.

  82. mick February 7th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    only way he wouldn’t opt out is if he had a serious injury and missed a lot of time. Now with Drew that is possible…..but it’s a risk they should take….3/36 is undermarket for him anyway even if he doesn’t opt out.
    ====================
    you know this is not happening.
    there will be better options.

  83. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    I’ll say thing about Montero I had a big problem with, in AAA he would not sign autographs for the fans, and when asking other players about this, they laughed and said, “He’s waiting until he gets paid to sign them.”

    He was a Diva in AAA

    *****

    again, wow just wow, speechless and what a tool personally

  84. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 8:26 am

    in an age where morales gets QO for 14 mil with an 800 ops you don’t need to be David Ortiz to find a job at DH, to think Montero can’t morph into that version instead of a comp of Kevin Mass or Spencer is just beyond silly, neither have the track record Montero does nor is Montero’s problem incorrectable. Sure there are some questions about him, but the one I am interested is if Ms are dangling him, what’s the asking price?

  85. mick February 7th, 2014 at 8:28 am

    If Montero doesn’t hit right out of the box as a DH then he needs to be sent down to reprove himself.
    His value is only as a hitter.

  86. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:28 am

    There hasn’t been home grown premium talent up here either in a while. Dustin McGowan was showing special things until he started breaking down and breaking down…one radio guy here keeps glowing about Drabek being healthy, but last time he was messing around, they were drawing lines to try and find some landing spot for him. I’m waiting to be impressed.

  87. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:28 am
    There hasn’t been home grown premium talent up here either in a while. Dustin McGowan was showing special things until he started breaking down and breaking down…one radio guy here keeps glowing about Drabek being healthy, but last time he was messing around, they were drawing lines to try and find some landing spot for him. I’m waiting to be impressed.

    ****

    it’s a bad gm up there in Toronto

  88. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Tanaka Tidbits:

    The latest on Masahiro Tanaka from Friday, February 7, 2014.

    The media learned that he will hold a press conference at Yankee Stadium on the 11th.

    He is scheduled to hold a press conference at Narita Airport before his departure for the United States.

    He is planning to practice at Kobo Stadium on Saturday.

    He threw thirty-six pitches in the bullpen on Thursday, twenty-five from the no-wind-up and eleven from the set position. He threw four curveballs and three each of his slider, two-seamer, and cutter.

    Source: Sanspo 2/7/2014, Daily Sports 2/7/2014

  89. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 8:26 am
    Sure there are some questions about him, but the one I am interested is if Ms are dangling him, what’s the asking price?

    *******************************************
    A bag of used balls should be more than enough.

    It’s one thing for teams to put up with super stars acting like Montero has, but a young kid that has yet to prove anything is quite different, and not acceptable.

    I think Montero, sans PED’s, is not going to make it in MLB, unless he matures and takes a different path in life.

  90. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    I am sorry, yet another proclamation by Pat M I am not board with. Time will tell.

  91. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    Big Al, players should always sign autographs for kids; I got jilted by Rico Carty, and it seems I have an intact memory. Bobby Hull was legend for keeping the team bus waiting while he dealt with all the kids. It would have taken an idiot on that bus to tell Bobby to hurry up.

  92. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:33 am

    It’s one thing for teams to put up with super stars acting like Montero has, but a young kid that has yet to prove anything is quite different, and not acceptable.

    *****

    i blame the modern age of prospect following for this (both websites, blogs, and fans).

  93. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:34 am

    mick -

    Teams need the DH spot for aging players, that are proven hitters, not a 24 year old that has no position.

  94. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    A bag of used balls should be more than enough.
    —-
    Big AL, i will respectfully disagree with that asking price. you could be right, time will tell. He needs to change his attitude in that case AL, the threat of being out of ML job and his star tarnishing may prompt that or may not.

  95. mick February 7th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Big Al-
    That is true.
    Send him down and let him tear up the minors unless he stings the ball in ST.

  96. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    jmills -

    Hull was a super star in more than one sense, few and far between these days.

  97. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    from yesterday:

    Dermis Garcia, SS/3B, 6’2? 182 lbs, R/R, San Pedro, DR
    Born: January 7th, 1998
    Trainer: Moreno Tejada

    Garcia is considered by many evaluators to be the top overall prospect available for the July 2 signing period. An tall infielder with a strong well-proportioned build, scouts praise his plus raw power from the right side. It’s not quite Sano level power potential, but the ball really explodes off of his bat, and his batting practice displays are something to behold. Garcia has a nice balanced approach at the plate. He has a smooth swing with great extension. Strictly in terms of his swing and plate-setup he reminds me of Hanley Ramirez. I don’t quite see the same level of athleticism as a young Hanley however as Garcia only has average to slightly above average speed (3.9 seconds home to first) and it’s not a smooth or effortless gait either. His arm strength would grade out to average on a scouting scale, and he’s pretty big as it is so he’s likely ticketed for third base when he fills out even more. Regardless the bat should play just fine there or in the outfield. Reports from the Domincan Republic suggest that the Yankees, who have been sleeping giants on the international free agent scene in recent years, plan to shatter the record for international bonuses handed out by spending in excess of 10mm dollars. They have been connected to just about every top name player available for 2014, and are said to already have a deal in place with Garcia for about 3mm.

  98. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    big al-

    i was in the twins triple a’s managers office when matt garza came in after a game he was pulled after 75 pitches. he was pissed and let the manager know it. of course the manager let him know right back what he thought of garza questioning him in this DIVAish way.

    young players often have attitudes. garza was arrogant but so what ?
    he could pitch.

    with proper development, a guy like garza gets enough tough love to make it through the DIVA period.

    i watched the yankees double a team last year at a portland seadogs game that was really cold. only one player was out there doing extra work. that was jr murphy. i wasn’t surprised that he was also the only one to make it up to the majors . were the rest divas who didn’t want to play in the cold?

    i kinda thought so. should the yankees give up on them?
    i think that’d be a real mistake.
    some tough love would be my recommendation. i would have had their asses out there learning to play in the cold.

    the yankees do after all expect to be playing in oct and nov cold weather.

  99. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Huascar Ynoa, RHP, 6’2? 190 lbs, Puerto Plata, DR
    Born: May 28, 1998
    Trainer: Edgar Mercedes

    Younger brother of A’s RHP Michael Ynoa who signed in 2008 for what was then the biggest international amateur bonus of all-time: $4.25 million. Lean projectable build. Hit 91mph at the 15U WWBA in the summer but was reportedly up to 91-93 in the Dominican. Feel for three pitches that project to be above-average or better. One of the youngest players in the class. Athletic with good fluidity. Smooth delivery with clean arm action. High three quarter arm slot. Good movement on pitches. Ynoa’s best offspeed offering is a changeup in the low 80s. It has good deception and fade and projects to be a plus pitch going forward. Curveball in the low to mid 70s lacks firmness, but can flash above average potential. Needs to tighten it up and throw it more consistently. His combination of pedigree, present stuff, polish, and projection likely make him the top pitching prospect available for July 2. He has not been connected to a team as of yet, but the Yankees are likely to be in the mix.

  100. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:38 am

    “Teams need the DH spot for aging players, that are proven hitters, not a 24 year old that has no position.”

    big al,

    you do realize that david ortiz was primarily a DH from age 24 on don’t you?

  101. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:39 am

    ere the rest divas who didn’t want to play in the cold?

    ****

    no but they’re probably not going to make it to the show like murphy – maybe they can wind up coaching in HS, college, or serve as private tutors for some wealthy kids trying to make it in the draft someday

  102. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    mick -

    Perhaps being dealt to the M’s, when in his mind he thought he was going to be the next Yankees super star, was just too much for him. Regardless, if he wants a MLB career, the first thing he needs to work on is he attitude, then the rest should come easier.

  103. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    “i don’t see what your point is.”

    what’s yours? That because David Ortiz became a star Jesus Montero might? Ok…..

  104. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    “you know this is not happening.
    there will be better options.”

    who are these better options?

  105. AAA February 7th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    There hasn’t been home grown premium talent up here either in a while.

    ========================================

    I still harbor some hope for Lawrie. He’s only 24.

  106. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Stone-

    Thanks for the info on Dermis Garcia. I read that yesterday and watched the short video of him taking batting practice. The Yankees could use him, even if he projects more as a third baseman, and he’s a righty.

  107. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    fuji -

    There are always an exception to every rule, but, Ortiz could also play the field at 1B in his younger days.

  108. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:43 am
    Stone-

    Thanks for the info on Dermis Garcia. I read that yesterday and watched the short video of him taking batting practice. The Yankees could use him, even if he projects more as a third baseman, and he’s a righty.

    ******

    July 2nd should be interesting this year, just like the draft was like last year – more eggs to hopefully make a nice omelette someday.

    And thanks for all the Tanaka updates!

  109. blake February 7th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Trader,
    it’s fine….we’re still friends :)

  110. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    i am not sure i get the ortiz analogy – if you are going to argue for a young, stay at home DH comparison for Montero to pine for his turnaround – i would think Billy Butler

  111. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    Funny, at first I read Dermis Garcia as, Damaso Garcia, who Gillick picked up from the Yankees. Damaso could swing a productive bat, but couldn’t take a walk as I remember. Bit of a hot head who burned his jersey in the dugout over what I can’t recall. Stieb used to turn and burn holes in Garcia with his eyes if Damaso was taking one of his nights off. Stieb was intense, but in a good way as far as I’m concerned. ( He had to put up with Joey McGlaughlin as a closer )

  112. AAA February 7th, 2014 at 8:48 am

    Thanks for the info on Dermis Garcia. I read that yesterday and watched the short video of him taking batting practice. The Yankees could use him, even if he projects more as a third baseman, and he’s a righty.

    =====================================

    Already psyched for the 2020 edition of the Yankees.

  113. Revenge of Stoneburner February 7th, 2014 at 8:50 am

    Already psyched for the 2020 edition of the Yankees.

    or the 2016/2017 trade deadline or offseason gm meetings

  114. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:50 am

    fuji -

    The Yankees tried tough love with Montero, sitting him on occasion in AAA due to his work ethic, or lack thereof.

    A great Yogi quote; “Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical.”

  115. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:50 am

    Blake

    I was hoping the Yankees could trade for a young shortstop that could play third until Jeter retires-someone like Chris Owings.

    And as far as still friends-definitely.

  116. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    To bring back Jesus Montero, or not bring back Jesus Montero, that is the question.

    Yogi also said, ” When you come upon a fork in the road, take it.”

  117. mick February 7th, 2014 at 8:54 am

    blake-

    better options than Drew?

    he will likely opt out anyway if he had a good 2014.

    he’s just not good enough and not worth what he wants to block other deals that could develop.

    arod will also be back and i wouldn’t bet against jeter.

  118. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Yogi ever put out a book of sayings? He could have been selling bumper stickers.

  119. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    blake -

    The Tar Heels are starting to play some good ball, I’m worried about the coach, he looks as if he may have an untold illness, he looked as though he was going to faint the other night.

  120. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    How many players on the field for basketball?

  121. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    “what’s yours? That because David Ortiz became a star Jesus Montero might? Ok…..”

    precisely that’s my point.

    i say you give young players with high upside a whole lot of chances to succeed.

    take a look at how long it took for garret jones to develop into a moderately useful mlb player.

    http://www.baseball-reference......nes-002gar

    he was still struggling at the triple a level at age 24.25,26 and 27

    but he had the ability to swing the bat as a young player.

    the problem is the swing didn’t hit the ball as much as it should have .

    baseball is an apprenticeship. it takes time.

  122. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    New poster coming soon.

    Yogi- “I’m not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did.”

    How many of us had an encyclopedia in our homes, growing up?

  123. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    YT, Britannia.

  124. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    jmills -

    Just for you my friend.

    http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....erra.shtml

  125. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    Cash

    Same here. Do you still have it? gathering dust?

  126. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Britainnica, gilded pages and big arse leather binding… pretty sure it cost a small fortune.

  127. blake February 7th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    “better options than Drew?”

    yea who?

  128. mick February 7th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    yea who?
    =======
    things happen.

  129. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    I gave them to my cousin when I moved YT.

  130. blake February 7th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    “The Tar Heels are starting to play some good ball, I’m worried about the coach, he looks as if he may have an untold illness, he looked as though he was going to faint the other night.”

    yea they are starting to play better…..Roy has Vertigo really bad. Some games it really bothers him……he doesn’t look well to me either though. Hopefully it was just the rough start they had and some sleepless nights

  131. jmills February 7th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Big Al, merci amigo! – have saved it

  132. fuji February 7th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    “To bring back Jesus Montero, or not bring back Jesus Montero, that is the question.”

    i have zero interest in montero coming back to the yankees.

    i’m not big on revisiting things.

    of course , i have zero interest in watching cashman developing young players too.

    been there done that.

    time to move on.

  133. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    Where is MTU, sleeping in today?

    Hey Mike, get up.

  134. Yankee Trader February 7th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    New Post——->

  135. Cashmoney February 7th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    scanning the FA, I am surprised teams (especially NL) are not hot after Tommy Hanson, Joel Hanrahan is the last remaining bp candidate I am interested in as a Yankee fan.

  136. BIG AL February 7th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    jmills -

    Now you can be an expert on Yogi quotes as well, enjoy! :)

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