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Pinch hitting: Lisa Brand

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Pitchers and catchers report at the end of this week, so our Pinch Hitters series is getting near its end. Today we have Lisa Brand, a lifelong Yankees fan who grew up in upstate New York, suffering through those losing teams in the late 60′s and early 70′s. “My father, also a lifelong Yankees fan, got to see all the winning teams of the previous decades,” Lisa wrote, “and (he) taught me all I know about the greatest team in the world. My first Yankee game was a bat day doubleheader, and Mickey Mantle played first base. I have fond memories of the original stadium and being able to pick up a red phone to listen to the voices of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle.” Lisa’s favorite players have ranged from Mantle and Munson to O’Neill and Jeter (with several stops in between).

For her post, Lisa wrote an open letter to Robinson Cano, the theme of which is: Do players really know how good they have it?

Robinson CanoDear Robbie Cano,

Say it ain’t so. You sold yourself out of the Bronx for fear of not having a job at 37 or 38 years old. You feel you got no respect.

Welcome to my world. The world of the average American who will never earn in a lifetime what you have already earned. We are the people who contribute to your salary, yet we never benefit financially, only emotionally in the enjoyment of being a baseball fan and a fan of the New York Yankees.

The Yankees, as you know, are a storied franchise. They are the greatest franchise in all of sports — a team deep in pride and tradition with a legacy that can never be matched by any other.

I guess that didn’t matter to you as much as the fans thought. The 2013 season with Mo and Andy and their farewells wasn’t what you wanted at the end of your career. Monument Park and being the first Dominican to gain entry didn’t matter to you.

You wanted respect and a 10-year contract and job security. Don’t we all want that? These are hard times for all, but not for a Major League Baseball player. Do you really know how lucky you are?

You have it made as far as finances, health care, and a pension. Yes, you are a human being dealing with the same everyday issues and family issues as any one of us. However, you have it a little easier because of a talent to play ball. Yes, you have worked hard at your craft, but you also have benefited from a little bit of luck, and the chance to pursue your dream. Not many of us can say that.

You do not have the everyday worries of trying to make ends meet to support a family, pay the rent, pay the utilities, pay for food, health care, college, and the list goes on and on.

You have the resources and have it easier than most. I guess you’ll never understand my world. Why couldn’t you be more like Paul O’Neill who stayed for less money because he wanted to play for the greatest team? I believe he said he had all the money he needed, and New York was the place to be. Then there’s Carlos Beltran, who took less money to play for a team he always loved. Very respectable.

In closing, you will be missed by Yankee fans, even though we are the ones getting no respect. Good luck in Seattle, but you really won’t need it, not compared to me.

Sincerely,

Average Joe

P.S. Thanks for reading and enjoy your 30-day vacation in October!

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112 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Lisa Brand”

  1. John in Ohio February 10th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Great letter to Cano, and I certainly appreciate the points made. But, I just don’t think you can expect a guy to leave $65 million guaranteed on the table.

  2. tomingeorgia February 10th, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Thanks, joeman. It isn’t the snow, it’s the ice that worries me. The local report is calling for 3/4 to 1 inch of ice, starting tonight.

  3. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    I believe he said he had all the money he needed, and New York was the place to be. Then there’s Carlos Beltran, who took less money to play for a team he always loved. Very respectable

    ====================================

    It was marginally less money and he made the Yankees give him a 3rd year that they wanted no part of, so we should go easy on the Beltran the Magnanimous stuff.

  4. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    blake says:
    February 10, 2014 at 9:10 am
    Tom,
    The biggest worry in bad weather is the guy in the 2003 Honda civic driving 50 mph around curves….if you can avoid them you be ok

  5. joeman February 10th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    tomingeorgia February 10th, 2014 at 9:03 am
    Thanks, joeman. It isn’t the snow, it’s the ice that worries me. The local report is calling for 3/4 to 1 inch of ice, starting tonight.

    —————————————————
    that would be as bad as it gets…..rather have a direct hit by a hurricane than .75 or 1.00 inch of ice

  6. joeman February 10th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    it would be way worse than what they had in PA….there would be no whole trees left

  7. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    it would be way worse than what they had in PA….there would be no whole trees left

    =================================

    All those people get their electricity back yet?

  8. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Yeah, an inch of ice is pretty terrible… Hopefully that doesn’t happen.

    Another snow storm has the Tri-State area in in sights for Wed Night – Thurs this week… If it stays cold enough during the day on Thurs it might be another big storm… We certainly do not need anymore snow.

  9. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Fans need to understand that baseball players aren’t normal people…..if anyone had a choice of playing for 90 million dollars (with taxes) somewhere else then they would do it……

    The Yankees didn’t pursue Cano hard….they made an offer they knew he probably wouldn’t take and basically told him to take it or leave it……not sure how we can be upset with Cano for taking the offer for way more money with a team that showed way more enthusiasm in signing him. It’s human nature…..guys want to be wanted. Cano was underpaid his entire career with the Yankees…..remember that.

    Thanks for the memories Cano…..

  10. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    All those people get their electricity back yet?
    ——
    I know some towns just across the NJ/PA border (Yardley, Lambertville) got their power back yesterday.

  11. ericns1 February 10th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Spot on – as a Yankee fan who spans the same era this column hit home – well done!

  12. joeman February 10th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    AAA February 10th, 2014 at 9:18 am
    it would be way worse than what they had in PA….there would be no whole trees left

    =================================

    All those people get their electricity back yet?

    —————————–
    getting very close

  13. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    I wouldn’t blame the Yankees for not wanting to give Cano 10/235 if they hadn’t turned around and given out an even riskier contract to an inferior player in Ellsbury.

    The bottom line here is that the Yankees didn’t seem to make Cano a priority…..he felt that….he moved on. We don’t have to like it as fans but it’s the business side of the game …..and the truth is that if the Yankees wanted him to be a Yankee…..he would be

  14. Hearn February 10th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Well put Lisa.

    I know Yanks will miss Cano’s production @ 2B…but I certainly won’t miss his lack of hustle and general over-relaxed attitude.

    Have fun in the Great Northwest!

  15. joeman February 10th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    joeman February 10th, 2014 at 9:23 am
    AAA February 10th, 2014 at 9:18 am
    it would be way worse than what they had in PA….there would be no whole trees left

    =================================

    All those people get their electricity back yet?

    —————————–
    getting very close
    —————————–
    rough 16,000 which had over 800,000 at one time

  16. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Man, a week without electricity feels like an eternity. I remember losing electricity for two four day stretches in 2011 with Hurricane Irene and later a freak Halloween snow/ice storm. By the end of both 4 day stretches, I was ready to murder. Don’t envy those folks in eastern PA.

  17. tomingeorgia February 10th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Georgia sent several crews of linemen up north to help out. I’d imagine they’re on their way home right now.

  18. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    Tom,
    From last night….yea I’m a high tech redneck. I only really use it for long cooks where I don’t have time to monitor it close though…..still though a key to good que is an even temp and that thing keeps it the same or within a degree or two for hours. I cooked that butt for 16 hours and never touched it….only opened the lid one time just to glaze it an hour before taking it off

  19. longtimefan February 10th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    Cano is a great baseball player, one of the best 2nd basemen ever, IMO Seattle overpaid for the product they are getting in both time and dollars, we can only guess at why the Yankees did not pursue Cano more, maybe the sting of the Arod contract, fans will probably never know. It is big shoes but one player does not a team make.

  20. joeman February 10th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    tomingeorgia February 10th, 2014 at 9:34 am
    Georgia sent several crews of linemen up north to help out. I’d imagine they’re on their way home right now.

    ———————–
    for sure

  21. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    I continue to believe that the primary factor in the yanks letting Cano go was actually not the money…..I’m sure the money was a big part of it but for whatever reason they decided to not spend that money on him……maybe it was his connection to Arod….maybe it was that they didn’t see him having the intangibles to warrant a contract like that …..maybe they don’t think he will age well…..a lot of factors go in to these decisions but IMO if they has viewed him as an essential piece of the fabric of this team going forward then he’d still be a Yankee…….it felt more like they wanted to clean house and start fresh to me and that’s pretty much what they did

  22. LathamJoe February 10th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Your open letter to Robbie Cano is from the heart Lisa, and though I “feel your pain”, its written from a loyal Yankee fan’s perspective. I am an “Average Joe” from Upstate NY too and have lived/ died with the NY Yankees ever since I was a youngster in the late 1950′s. Baseball has changed radically since its “heyday” More so than ever, Baseball is a BUSINESS, just like every other professional sport. There are very few allegiances in sports anymore – either from players or owners. Robbie Cano did what was right for his family – he went with who/what offered him the best long-term security. There is the other side of this relationship that was not addressed: What happens to the player when his skill have diminished? What loyalties did ownership show Babe Ruth after his productive years as a player? Or Mel Stottlemeyre after his injury? Willie Randolph when his skills diminished? Paul O’Neill took less for another year because he knew that his team was a pennant-winning machine and the difference in dollars would be made up playing in the largest sports market in MLB. I genuinely wish Robbie the best and thank him for the thrills he gave me as a Yankees Fan.

  23. Frankg February 10th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Cano is gone. I’ll remember him as Mr. Smiley face, never comes through when the games are important. Loafs because he can get away with it, has no respect for the game or his tremendous God given talent.

    Had a chance to be another vastly overpaid Yankee but chose the dim lights of Seattle. He’s just the type of player you don’t build a winner around. Self centered and self satisfied.

  24. tomingeorgia February 10th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Re: Cano
    I can’t blame any party in the Cano affair. Seattle desperately needed to make a splash, The Yankees did not want a replay of Arod’s ten year deal. Cano took the money and the years. Who is to blame? Nobody, it’s a business.

  25. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    It probably won’t be until Brian Roberts gets hurt and they get replacement revel production or less from 2B that it really sinks in for some Yankee fans how good Cano was and how much they’ll miss him……

  26. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    I’m glad they didn’t give Cano 10 years – $240M but I’m surprised they never upped their offer from 7 years – $175M… I’d rather have signed Cano @ 8 years – $200M then Ellsbury at 7 years – $153M.

  27. bruceb February 10th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    As a fellow Yankee fan, I fully understand where you are coming from, Lisa. I too hoped Robinson would give the Yankees a home town discount.

    Having said that, we all have to remember that Robbie is a professional baseball player, not a fan. IMHO, the Mariners made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

    The Yankees – already burned by the ARod contract – weren’t willing to come anywhere near it; and they signalled their intentions by overpaying for Jacoby Ellsbury to soften the blow of Robbie’s intending departure.

    True, there will no place now for Robbie in Monument Park. But was his “legacy” worth $90 million to him?

  28. blake February 10th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Seattle did what they did because they had to just like Tom says…..this is a repeat of what the Nats did a few years ago with Werth…..they drastically overpaid because they had to. If the mariners want to be relevant then they had to burst the bubble on the free agent market and get players to come there…..it worked for the Nats….that worth signing combined with Strasburg and Harper got the ball Rolling for them and although Werth is overpaid….there is that intangible value that he had in getting them headed in the right direction

    I don’t know if it’ll be the same for Seattle because they don’t have as much coming to put around Cano as Washington did…..but they felt like they had to do it. It’ll ether work out and Cano will help them grow into a contender…..or it’ll bust and he will be traded in 3 years

  29. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    It probably won’t be until Brian Roberts gets hurt and they get replacement revel production or less from 2B that it really sinks in for some Yankee fans how good Cano was and how much they’ll miss him……

    ==================================

    I suspect they’ll miss him when they get replacement level production from Roberts

  30. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    “I’m glad they didn’t give Cano 10 years – $240M but I’m surprised they never upped their offer from 7 years – $175M… I’d rather have signed Cano @ 8 years – $200M then Ellsbury at 7 years – $153M.”

    I would rather have Cano at 10/235 than Ellsbury at 7/153 personally…..it’s roughly the same AAV and in 7 years all these contracts may look like bargains…..Cano is a better and more durable player…..so basically they chose to sign Ellsbury over 3 years that won’t even matter until 7 years from now.

  31. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    I suspect they’ll miss him when they get replacement level production from Roberts”

    I think he can do better than that if he can play…..but that’s a very big if …..he was worth right at 1 win last year in only 77 games…..so if he could actually stay healthy and play 140 games I think he’d be a 2 or 3 win player……but again it’s pretty unlikely that happens

  32. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    Yanks should have just signed both and won the WS this year

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS- Jeter
    2B – Cano
    RF – Beltran
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    3B – Aram (he’ll be acquired by July)
    LF – Gardner

    With decent health that line up would have been epic.

  33. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    I don’t think they would have ever signed both Ellsbury and Cano……but they could have signed Cano instead of Ellsbury and done everything else the same and had a better team with roughly the same 2014 payroll……

  34. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    I don’t think they would have ever signed both Ellsbury and Cano……but they could have signed Cano instead of Ellsbury and done everything else the same and had a better team with roughly the same 2014 payroll……

    ==============================

    Yep on all counts.

  35. rynamay February 10th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Nice post, Lisa. But I think the Yankees were right to let him go, and he has the right to choose what really matters to him. I wonder if he doesn’t really realize what he’s chosen though. As a Yankee, winning is all he’s ever known. It won’t be like that now. He will be playing solely for money, not titles, not legacy. All players say they play to win championships, but when it comes to it, there isn’t a lot of honesty in that. Money is a much more powerful motivator.

    Speaking of legacy, MLB network is having a bracket-style contest to name “The Face of MLB” by using one player selected from each team. Today’s matchup is David Ortiz vs our man Derek Jeter. This is purely a popularity contest, but isn’t it one we want to win??

    You can vote for Jeter via Twitter. If you like, you can copy and paste this tweet:
    #DerekJeter is the #FaceofMLB @MLBNetwork

    Go Yankees! :)

  36. Poetkiosk February 10th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    “Fans need to understand that baseball players aren’t normal people…”

    ——-
    But they are. They are human, with the same set of emotions, the same issues and they put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us.

    The point of the letter was right on -

    1) Cano put little to no value on the history of this franchise and his potential place in that history.
    2) Cano pult little to no value on “winning” as he left a team that is almost always in the playoffs to go to one that is almost never in the playoffs.
    3) It is hard to believe money was the big reason here as the AAV of the Yankees offer was actually higher and once you are set for your life, you are set for life.
    4) And his claim of not being respected rings pretty hollow, when you have been offered that much money. (granted this has been discussed to death)

    I refuse to think of a ball player as anything other than another human being. Greed is greed, no matter who you are.

  37. Tar February 10th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    “that would be as bad as it gets…..rather have a direct hit by a hurricane than .75 or 1.00 inch of ice”

    That would be a bad choice. I’ve been through both, neither was fun but just thinking about the terror of the direct hit hurricane gives me goose bumps.

  38. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    “1) Cano put little to no value on the history of this franchise and his potential place in that history.”

    The Yankees seemingly put little value in him…..it goes both ways

  39. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Meh Cano is old news. I hope NYY dust him big time as a visitor.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    Welcome to my world. The world of the average American who will never earn in a lifetime what you have already earned. We are the people who contribute to your salary, yet we never benefit financially, only emotionally in the enjoyment of being a baseball fan and a fan of the New York Yankees.
    ///

    I wonder, Lisa, if you begrudge the millions your favorite movie stars rake in for a single feature film?

    Your favorite musical group when they score a hit?

    And it makes no sense to me whatsoever that people compare their own standard of living to someone who has a skill that they themselves do not possess, and become upset because people are willing to pay for it.

    If we could swing a bat like Robinson Cano, or throw across the body with ease from the short stop side of second base, or had hands like butter and an intuitive ability to move to where the ball will be, then someone would pay us a lot of money, too.

    And Hal Steinbrenner has a lot more money than Robinson Cano; so why no acrimony towards the Yankees owner, and why oh why, was Hal so selfish as to not give Cano two extra years of security, when his team is worth billions???

  41. LathamJoe February 10th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    Everyone has opinions on Robinson Cano’s “love for the game”, loyalty, and hustle. None of us have ever played alongside him or sat beside him so they are just that….opinions. Here are a few things that are indisputable: Cano has averaged 160 games played over the last 7 years – more than any other 2nd baseman in MLB; Over the past 4 years he has averaged 29 HRs/107 RBI/.373 OBP/.906 OPS, 4 All Star selections, 2 Gold Gloves, 4 Silver Slugger Awards – HOF numbers. I have NEVER heard of any teammate – past of present – refer to him as “selfish” or “lazy”.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    LathamJoe,

    Tremendous post:

    LathamJoe February 10th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Your open letter to Robbie Cano is from the heart Lisa, and though I “feel your pain”, its written from a loyal Yankee fan’s perspective. I am an “Average Joe” from Upstate NY too and have lived/ died with the NY Yankees ever since I was a youngster in the late 1950?s. Baseball has changed radically since its “heyday” More so than ever, Baseball is a BUSINESS, just like every other professional sport. There are very few allegiances in sports anymore – either from players or owners. Robbie Cano did what was right for his family – he went with who/what offered him the best long-term security. There is the other side of this relationship that was not addressed: What happens to the player when his skill have diminished? What loyalties did ownership show Babe Ruth after his productive years as a player? Or Mel Stottlemeyre after his injury? Willie Randolph when his skills diminished? Paul O’Neill took less for another year because he knew that his team was a pennant-winning machine and the difference in dollars would be made up playing in the largest sports market in MLB. I genuinely wish Robbie the best and thank him for the thrills he gave me as a Yankees Fan.

  43. Joe from Long Island February 10th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    1. Lisa – I liked your essay. while no one can really begrudge a player his right to make whatever decision they want, and to follow the money, for a few there are other considerations. obviously, cano wanted the money more than retiring as a yankee (thought that might still happen, after seattle doesn’t get the return they’re paying for).

    also, that bat day dh with mantle playing first sounds a lot like my first yankee game, with my father and my brother. may have been the same game. was it memorial day, ’67?

    2. too many of the people who post here leave the impression that they would rather be proven right in their views, than be wrong and have the team do well.

  44. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    The Yankees seemingly put little value in him…..it goes both ways

    _____________________________________

    Offering a guy 25 mill per for 7 years is puting little value in him? Are you serious?

  45. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    1) Cano put little to no value on the history of this franchise and his potential place in that history.

    =================================

    The number of players who would value this over money sits somewhere under 1%.

  46. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Don’t get mad cuz Cano took the most money as another impoverish D.R. kid who have made it. Get even, deck him and made him look like a fool in chasing pitches 3 inches off the plate. Get even baby! Rattle him emotionally!

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    I have NEVER heard of any teammate – past of present – refer to him as “selfish” or “lazy”.
    ///

    Yankee house boy/mouthpiece Michael Kay has been repeated this meme all season long.

    Meanwhile, Cano was obliterating pitchers in nearly every “high leverage” “clutch” category that exists, but we never heard a single word about that, except on MLB Network, where they marveled at his clutch numbers.

    It is always amazing to me how people can watch every game, and still be mentally conditioned to allow memes and bias to influence how they receive reality.

    Barely anyone on this site – and we’re talking die-hard fans who spend hours daily here discussing the Yankees – even seemed aware of Robinson Cano’s rampage with RISP and other clutch categories, even describing him as “a guy who never comes through.”

    If Cano, say, were Mark Teixeira, and he had put up those numbers, he would have been elevated as a King of Clutch, and Michael Kay would have been slobbering all over him all season long.

    Do you smell a fault?

  48. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Offering a guy 25 mill per for 7 years is puting little value in him? Are you serious?”

    You have to understand this is relative…..it’s relative to the baseball market and not what normal people make. Do you really think the Yankees tried hard to keep him?

    Cano’s camp told him the number it would take and the offer thy had and the yanks wouldn’t budge…..they asked him to take a huge discount to stay…..Id say that wasn’t exactly making him a priority

  49. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Bottom line…..if the Yankees wanted Cano to still be a Yankee then he would be. Does anybody think he wanted to go to Seattle? They basically have him no choice given the money difference……I don’t blame either side but you can’t just say he should have stayed for like 90 million less dollars…..that’s ridiculous and nobody here would have done that

  50. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Does anybody think he wanted to go to Seattle?

    Cano loves Seattle who respected him. of course he does.

  51. blake February 10th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    “Cano loves Seattle who respected him. of course he does.”

    He loves the contract and how badly they wanted him…..no way he wanted to play in Seattle though…guys love to be wanted…..my guess is that he’s wishes the Yanks would have wanted him more

  52. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    “I was looking for a contract where I would just be able to play and focus on the game and wouldn’t wonder when I’m 37, 38 would I have a job one day. Would I be able to play?” Cano said. “The one thing in Seattle is I get the chance. Am I going to keep working hard? Yes. Even harder? Yes. I’m going to do my best and play the same way I was playing in New York and go out there and do my business and win games.”

    Cano never stopped smiling on Thursday as he was introduced as the Mariners’ new All-Star second baseman.
    ——
    Cano loves his focus!

  53. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Cano loves Seattle!

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    On the subject of future MIF, I have been on a fruitless search for any information on Anderson Feliz and his hip surgery, and it seemed as though he had just dropped off the face of the earth and all sources had run dry.

    If Feliz’s run of bad luck from injuries can be attributed to a congenital hip problem, and if Newman is correct, and the surgery can correct it, then the Yankees really must, in the wake of Cano’s loss, restore Feliz to 2B.

    He is loaded with promise, and is just about the most exciting, toolsy looking position player I have seen, all things considered, that I can recall.

    They should stop with the 3B reps and put him back on 2B. He and Refsnyder can duke it out, since they seem the closest to Trenton (Feliz’s promotion will depend, obviously, on whether he’s fully recovered and he’ll need some time in High A first, but he was reportedly headed down here last season, before this thing happened):

    http://www.myyesnetwork.com/go.....NEWS?pg=59

    The Yankees have long liked Feliz’s tool set, but Newman said he’s had a series of groin and hamstring problems that have impacted his ability to stay on the field and move forward.

    “The idea is that this (surgery) will alleviate that,” Newman said.

  55. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Sorry Blake. Disagree with you on this all the way. Yanks made it clear as early as last season that they were through giving out 10 year contracts to anyone over 30. Cano knew this all along. Yanks offered him a very fair deal. Cannot fault Yanks on this one no matter what spin anyone tries to put on it. 25 mill per for 7 years for a guy over 30 and playing a high maintenance position like 2nd base? That was more than fair.

  56. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 10:52 am
    Cano loves Seattle!

    ____________________________________

    Rusell Wilson at the victory parade cried out; “Lets see Cano do this!!!!!!!!!!”

  57. DONNYBROOK February 10th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    - LISA -

    I Liked your letter to Cano. I tend Not to get personal, (health care, college, ends meet) when appraising a MLB Player. When appraising a MLB Player, my 1ST Check Box is Hustle. Cano has NO HUSTLE. He WILL NOT even dive for close grounders with a runner at 2B, late, in a 1 run game. This “Bump Bailey” attitude does Not belong in pinstripes. I would rather watch a .250 ham-n-egger Yankee utility infielder bust his arse out there, than the lollygagging, sunflower seed spitting Cano.

  58. Jerkface February 10th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Tackelberry,

    You’re really just looking at this in absolute terms instead of the relative terms Blake is talking about. Sure they offered him a “fair” deal. Since when has free agency been about players accepting FAIR deals? The Yankees handed out UNFAIR deals to Ellsbury and Tanaka, yet Cano was supposed to accept their first time offer fair deal? The Yankees did not put that much effort into reacquiring Cano. They didn’t act like the Yankees who typically swoop in and blow away the competition and add extras to their contract offer to sweeten and seal the deal.

    They held a firm line on the best player available that happened to be a home grown yankee who is the best at his position in recent memory. Imagine if Cano was not a Yankee and the Yankees wanted to acquire him, think of the difference there.

  59. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Tacklebery, I would give CC the ball the tell em to deck his former disrespected teammate, get him rattle emotionally. That ideally is to be followed by a chorus of boos from Yankee fans. He will probably hurt the Yankees anyway in a batter box, let’s make him feel unwelcome.

  60. Howler February 10th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Interesting Pinch hitter piece, poor choice in timing to run it. I think we’ve all talked Cano to death at this point. He could’ve taken the Yankee offer, stayed in respectable shape, and probably gotten another 2 or 3 years at the end of it. Even if that didn’t come to pass, he still would’ve been well rewarded. Had he played like he could, by the time that one was over, he may have made more than what the ten year one pays toward the end. May he enjoy antics with the Moose.

  61. Howler February 10th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    How often have you ever heard one teammate in any sport bad mouth another in the press…if any had even considered him ‘selfish or lazy,” which I don’t think was the case…it would never get aired to a reporter. It doesn’t make for a happy clubhouse.

  62. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Cannot fault Yanks on this one no matter what spin anyone tries to put on it

    ========================

    Can’t fault Cano either.

  63. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Let’s get the fuzziness out of way. Cano is the enemy.

  64. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    JF:

    Yeah, and in 3-4 years when he starts slowing down, you and many others in here would be among the first to start bashing Steinbrenner and co. for locking into another 10 year deal. Cmon now!! If Cano wanted 20 years and the Yanks offered him 15 years, would you also be bashing them for not giving the ‘best at his position” a 20 year deal?

  65. DONNYBROOK February 10th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Cano is the “opposition”, is a Better way of describing it. Getting him Out is NO different than getting any other player Out.

  66. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    AAA February 10th, 2014 at 11:06 am
    Cannot fault Yanks on this one no matter what spin anyone tries to put on it

    ========================

    Can’t fault Cano either
    ___________________________________

    I’m not faulting anyone. Both sides did what they had to do and I don’t blame either one. Seems though that some in here will blame Cashman and Steinbrenner no matter what decision they make.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    I’m glad they didn’t give Cano 10 years – $240M but I’m surprised they never upped their offer from 7 years – $175M… I’d rather have signed Cano @ 8 years – $200M then Ellsbury at 7 years – $153M.
    ///

    I’m curious.

    What is the big deal on those last two years?

    Even if they are washout years; what if Cano is Cano for the next five years, and they could have been a powerhouse, given the other additions (and assuming we swap out Ellsbury and retain Cano?)

    What if Cano were a Thome type DH in those last two years? He’s left-handed, we play in Yankee Stadium. He could have worn a 1B glove even from time to time.

    If Cano represented the team being difference between being a loaded, World Series contender for the next five years or so, but his absence means the team is “in the mix”, in and out, banking on some aging players maybe all having a kismet season to overcome a holey infield (assuming the pitching can be as good as it appears to be, even for the one year), do you quibble over the last two years?

    If the Yankees don’t start seeing through development on some of their better prospects, they are going to have a problem staying competitive, period. Two extra years in Cano’s dotage, then, is merely cosmetic.

  68. RhapsodyInBlue February 10th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Thanks Lisa.

    Cano took the money. The Yankees were looking out for their best interests as well.

  69. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Just look at the Angels with PUjols? He was the best player in the game 2-3 years ago. NOw his contract is considered one of the worst in baseball, and they’re stuck with him for 8 more years. Look at Price Fielder. After just 2 years, the Tigers were fearful he’d end uyp the same way, so what did they do? Got rid of him.

  70. Howler February 10th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    So what’s the big deal on Arod’s last few years?

  71. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    If Cano represented the team being difference between being a loaded, World Series contender for the next five years or so
    —–
    not likely.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    I loved Robby. I still think he was a 30-year-old kid (not man) who got bad advice from those around him who truly did not have his best interest at heart.

    And since none of us will ever know everything that went on in the background, everything here is postulation. Including what I just said!

    ***********

    There are some of us here who believe that Ellsbury was not overpaid and that the Yankees offer to Robby was more than fair. For the record.

    ************

    Best post here is from longtimefan.

    “Cano is a great baseball player, one of the best 2nd basemen ever, IMO Seattle overpaid for the product they are getting in both time and dollars, we can only guess at why the Yankees did not pursue Cano more, maybe the sting of the Arod contract, fans will probably never know. It is big shoes but one player does not a team make.

  73. spoiledyankfan February 10th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Hey guys,

    First time commenter here. I never really understood the vitriol towards Cano for accepting the best offer on the table. The Yankees have been working based on that model for the better part of the last two decades. And suddenly, because the Mariners prevailed one time where the Yankees usually dominate, now Cano is enemy #1. Let’s not pretend that Cano’s departure hurt the Yankees and let’s admit that the Yankees are a better team with him.

  74. spoiledyankfan February 10th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Sorry,

    Let’s not pretend that Cano’s departure DIDN’T hurt the Yankees….

  75. Howler February 10th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    As I was saying bad time to post the pinch hitter piece…this has been discussed to death, after-life, reincarnation, and death. Probably could post all the comments from every other thread on this and they’d all be the same, most of them from the same people.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    And by the way, for the person who minimized what Beltran was willing to do. Beltran was willing to do the same thing in order to play for the Yankees quite a while ago. So the point is that there are players willing to sacrifice $$$$ to be with a team they love. Not everyone walking the earth is a mercenary pig.

  77. RayVT February 10th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    What I find fascinating is that no one seems to think Cano was under great pressurefrom the Yankees to be the guy to keep the team under $189M yet get a contract signed.

    The Yanks knew they were going after Tanaka but Cano didn’t. So the Yanks squeezed Cano to make a decision based on a false premise of $189, so if Cano signed & ate up a lot of the $189 & the Yankees sucked in 2014 then greedy Cano would be a villian.

    If the Yanks had told Cano to wait till after Tanaka signed to see how much $$ the Yanks could offer then perhaps Cano would have stayed.

    I just don’t think the Yankees FO wanted Cano really & I don’t know why.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    spoiledyankfan, I have nothing whatsoever against Robby for doing what he did. I think he will come to regret it, though I could be wrong. As I said, I loved the kid and thought he’d be part of the Yankees forever.

    That said, life moves on, and those who don’t move on with it are the ones who remain bitter.

  79. Against All Odds February 10th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    But Beltran was still paid handsomely for his services. Even to the point of getting the third yr he wanted.

  80. blake February 10th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    You cannot talk about the risk involved with Cano’s contract without looking at the risk in Ellsburys…..that’s where the disconnect is.

    Ellsbury averaged 108 games in his 20s and they have him 22 million a year for 7 years…..that’s a terribly risky contract…..probably the riskiest one the yanks have ever done

  81. RayVT February 10th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    If I remember correctly & correct me if I’m wrong, Cano was willing to accept less $$ from the Yankees than Seattle offered provided the Yanks went the 10 yrs.

  82. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Sorry RayVT:

    But theres no way you can say that the Yanks did not want Cano back after the offer they out out there. If Cano set his sights too high, then thats on him. Bottom line. He got a team to offer him what he wanted, and he took it. I don’t blame him at all. But I also can’t say that the Yanks showed they did not want him back. No way.

  83. OldYanksFan February 10th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Robbie made a big, BIG mistake.
    I don’t know how much influence Jay-Z had on him, or this deal.

    Robbie has already made $57m.
    The Yankees offered him another $175m.
    I know we are used to talking in Baseball Dollars, which is like Monopoly dollars,
    but do you guys realize how much money that is???

    Do you know how hard it is to SPEND a hundred million dollars?

    My guess is if Jay-Z bargained from a position of ‘Robbie really WANTS to be a Yankee’, the FO would have gone 8/$192m. But instead, Jay-Z offered the Yankees a ‘great deal’ at 10/$235m. If I was Hank, I would have kicked Jay-Z’s ass all around the room.
    After Federal taxes, my guess is $192m may have cost Robbie around $30m.

    That’s $30m that Robbie, or his kids, or his grandkids, or his family for the next 1000 years, will never need and never spend.
    Poor Robbie would have had to suffer with only making $230m+ by the time he was 39.

    Instead, he will fade into obscurity in Seattle.

    Have you seen any of Robbie’s pictures or videos since the trade?
    He looks miserable already.
    He knows he made a mistake.

    You can’t buy Yankee legacy nor put a price on it.

  84. AAA February 10th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Have you seen any of Robbie’s pictures or videos since the trade?
    He looks miserable already.
    He knows he made a mistake.

    =======================

    What a bunch of bullsh*t

  85. Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Trisha :

    I agree with you 100%. I just have a problem with those who say the Yanks say they didn’t want him back with the offer they made him.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    “Ellsbury averaged 108 games in his 20s and they have him 22 million a year for 7 years…..that’s a terribly risky contract…..probably the riskiest one the yanks have ever done”

    austinmac has gone over this one ad nauseum, and apparently you still are not buying his explanation of Ellsbury’s injuries. I am. And apparently the Yankees do also. I don’t see the contract as risky.

    *******************

    “But Beltran was still paid handsomely for his services. Even to the point of getting the third yr he wanted.”

    What this says to me is that the Yankees feel that Beltran can give them value for the next three years as one of the pieces in the outfield, whereas the Yankees apparently didn’t feel that they would get the same kind of value from Cano as their primary 2B at the age of 40.

    Makes sense to me.

  87. spoiledyankfan February 10th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    trisha,

    I agree with you. Life does go on. I will be rooting both for the Yankees’ and Cano’s success (only not against the Yankees). I just think we have to be honest with ourselves that both parties did what was in their best interest, and I see nothing wrong with that.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    “I agree with you 100%. I just have a problem with those who say the Yanks say they didn’t want him back with the offer they made him.”

    As do I.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    The Yankees did not put that much effort into reacquiring Cano. They didn’t act like the Yankees who typically swoop in and blow away the competition and add extras to their contract offer to sweeten and seal the deal.

    They held a firm line on the best player available that happened to be a home grown yankee who is the best at his position in recent memory. Imagine if Cano was not a Yankee and the Yankees wanted to acquire him, think of the difference there.
    ///

    It was clear that Kay was under house orders to disparage Cano as much as possible.

    As I have noted here many times, when Kay starts harping on something during broadcasts and editorializes both in the booth and on his stupid radio show about it, we can assume it comes from the front office.

    Cano’s RISP and high leverage numbers were not merely overlooked, they were basically Kremlin’d on broadcasts.

    Singleton, towards the end of the season, was apparently also unaware of what he’d been doing all season, and mentioned the overwhelming “clutch” numbers Can was putting up.

    Do you think Kay engaged Singleton on it??

    Did anyone here even discuss it? Would it have been a hot topic were it anyone else in the lineup?

    The Yankees did not want Cano’s successes to be acknowledged or hyped on broadcasts, because they apparently understood the unconscious meme that many fans uncritically have absorbed and regurgitated on him, and that they could get away with, from a PR POV, the meme that not only was Cano expendable, that there is something defective in his baseball personality that would mean getting rid of him would be some kind of morale booster for the team, and a character shift in the clubhouse.

    Most have not even acknowledged that all the signs indicate that they never had any intention of re-signing him.

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    “If I remember correctly & correct me if I’m wrong, Cano was willing to accept less $$ from the Yankees than Seattle offered provided the Yanks went the 10 yrs.”

    Ray, I don’t know the answer to that. However, my problem would not have been with the $$$$ offered, it was unequivocally with the number of years.

    What makes me laugh is all of plissing and moaning that went on here constantly about Yankee players who were limping about ineffectively as a result of long-term contracts, yet hearing about how it would be okay to have Robby here earning massive $$$$ at the age of 40 – or excuse me, 41 since they were talking a 10-year contract.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    “I just think we have to be honest with ourselves that both parties did what was in their best interest, and I see nothing wrong with that.”

    Absolutely and unequivocally agree with you.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    I just don’t think the Yankees FO wanted Cano really & I don’t know why.
    ////

    They tried to trade him three times that we know of.

  93. RayVT February 10th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Tackelberry February 10th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    I wanted Cano back! I think he is an elite player, Gold Glove 2Bman & great hitter. I don’t fault the Yankees for not going to what Seattle offered, but looking at how much $230M could do & transposing it to the Yankee Ownership family of lets say $4B well $230M looks paltry.

    My concern was the NYY FO thought they could squeeze Cano into doing exactly what they wanted of 7 yrs. Both are losers unless Seattle somehow finds itself in the playoffs & still I think it is still true.

  94. Against All Odds February 10th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    austinmac has gone over this one ad nauseum, and apparently you still are not buying his explanation of Ellsbury’s injuries. I am. And apparently the Yankees do also.

    —————

    They’re still injuries no matter no they happened they are still injuries. Different sport but Andrew Bynum’s knee problems where a product of his teammates rolling into him. It didn’t mean he was less injury prone because of that.

  95. RayVT February 10th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 10th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    I understand! It is just that if $$$$ are not a concern & thru the history of the Yankees it hasn’t been, then who cares about the $$$$ at age 40 & 41? The Yanks could just cut him or use him as lets say a Wells type player.

  96. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Ellsbury averaged 108 games in his 20s and they have him 22 million a year for 7 years
    —–
    my guess is Yankees are looking at the means and the causes of his 2 injuries riddled years as an exception to the norms. But that would not fit your narratives of ‘riskiest contract” ever.

  97. Against All Odds February 10th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    What this says to me is that the Yankees feel that Beltran can give them value for the next three years as one of the pieces in the outfield, whereas the Yankees apparently didn’t feel that they would get the same kind of value from Cano as their primary 2B at the age of 40.

    Makes sense to me.

    ——————

    Maybe but it does show even guys that want to be here hold out for money and yrs. Not saying you don’t acknowledge that but fans ignore it.

  98. MTU February 10th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Tanaka tomorrow.

    3 days to P and C’s.

    :)

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    RayVT,

    There was a bullseye, prophetic piece by Steve Politi in the Newark Star Ledger, before Cano went to Seattle, that basically called a spade a spade; in it, he asked: “Do the Yankees even want Robinson Cano back?…Because if they do, they sure have a funny way of showing it.”

  100. blake February 10th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    “austinmac has gone over this one ad nauseum, and apparently you still are not buying his explanation of Ellsbury’s injuries. I am. And apparently the Yankees do also. I don’t see the contract as risky.”

    That’s because I don’t agree with that line of thinking…..some guys get hurt more than others

  101. blake February 10th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    my guess is Yankees are looking at the means and the causes of his 2 injuries riddled years as an exception to the norms. But that would not fit your narratives of ‘riskiest contract” ever.”

    Well when you combine the injury history and the fact that he has a sub .800 career OPs it’s pretty risky…..to me his one great year is more of an outlier than his injury history

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock February 10th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Politi: Yankees offseason will be a failure without signing Robinson Cano

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    It hasn’t been a happy negotiation between Robinson Cano and the Yankees. (William Perlman/The Star-Ledger)
    Print
    Steve Politi/Star-Ledger Columnist By Steve Politi/Star-Ledger Columnist

    “…This was more than signing a player, of course. This was the most expensive message in sports history — a $153-million telegram aimed directly at Robinson Cano, that he better get to the Bronx with an uncapped pen.

    Yes, signing Jacoby Ellsbury will upgrade the Yankees’ outfield, even if giving a seven-year contract to a 30-year-old player who relies on speed is exactly what this team swore it wouldn’t do anymore.

    But this was also a clear shots-fired moment in the Yankees’ contentious negotiations with their second baseman and his high-profile agents, an attempt to show they’ll be perfectly capable of moving forward if he chooses not to accept their take-it-or-leave-it offer.

    Two things about that:

    1. It’s just not true.

    2. It probably isn’t a wise negotiating strategy.

    You wonder sometimes: Do the Yankees want to sign Cano? Or do they want to prove a point at his expense? Are they trying to woo him? Or are they trying to embarrass him?

    Because they sure have a weird way of showing their affection, and this was well before they added Ellsbury. For weeks, in public comments and off-the-record leaks, they’ve portrayed their last homegrown star as a player interested in greenbacks far more than blue pinstripes.

    “He loves the money” was the direct quote from GM Brian Cashman, as if it’s a unique position for a professional athlete. Cashman spent that entire weird interview last month referring to Cano as only “the player.”

    Negotiations aren’t supposed to be friendly. Baseball is a business. We get it. Still: Both sides are doing what they’re supposed to be doing — i.e., trying to get the best deal — but only one seems angry about it.

    “It’s a question of, does (Cano) want to be a Yankee, or is he just about the money?” someone described as a “baseball insider” told ESPN New York, as if these two things have ever been mutually exclusive.

    The offseason is a failure without keeping him, and now fiscal responsibility is no longer an excuse. This isn’t a team taking baby steps toward a parade. The Yankees are making it rain again in baseball, announcing with these deals that they’re still the ultimate win-now-and-worry-later franchise.

    So how can that end with anything but Cano in uniform? They can’t replace his power with Ellsbury’s speed, nor will they find it anywhere else on the market. Cano might not sell tickets — and that’s another key part of the Yankees campaign to show he’s not worth the mega bucks — but he sure can drive in runs.

    Cano has come off his ridiculous $300 million demand, but the Yankees haven’t budged much from the $170 million over seven years they put on the table to start. If he finds more money from the Mariners and plays out the rest of his career in obscurity in the Pacific Northwest, their attitude seems to be, “Pack your umbrella.”

    They know he values being a Yankee and living in New York, so they’re exploiting that. Forget that there’s a better chance he’ll be a productive player in his late 30s than the brittle outfielder they just signed….

    Is $200 million over eight years for Cano outrageous? It would be a better deal than Ellsbury at $153 over seven, but the Yankees have drawn the line. It’s not just that they’re inviting their best player to walk away. They’re daring him to. If he does, the richest team in professional sports will throw up its hands and fall back on the Cano-is-greedy refrain. Maybe some of their fans will buy it, too — at least in December.

    But come April, they’ll see that massive hole in the middle of the lineup.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._cano.html

  103. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Well when you combine the injury history and the fact that he has a sub .800 career OPs it’s pretty risky…..to me his one great year is more of an outlier than his injury history
    =======
    blake, we not talking about outlier here in regard to his injuries. He had two specific and significant injuries in those two years. The chance of that repeating itself isn’t likely. as for your narrative “some guys get hurts more than others’ it is neither applicable by the nature of Ells injuries nor is it an indicator for future performances. When evaluate Ellsbury skillset, you don’t just examine OPS or OPS plus as an end all and be all stat. I guess those 50 plus stolen bases and superior defensive ability has little to do with why the yanks are paying him premium dollars (though I think it’s a overpaid). But the idea of riskiest contract ever given out is vast overstatement IMO.

    I guess we will let time dictate what will happen.

  104. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    *are talking, my bad.

  105. Cashmoney February 10th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    But come April, they’ll see that massive hole in the middle of the lineup.”
    ——
    I don’t see that. I see Cano as a great hitter but not someone that’s irreplaceable offensively. Had the Yankees simply sign infante at a mere 8 mil, they would reasonably plug a hole at 2b with some assurance and made up the offense lost by additions McCann, Ells and Beltrane. bottom line, I don’t see a massive hole like some do.

  106. blake February 10th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    “blake, we not talking about outlier here in regard to his injuries. He had two specific and significant injuries in those two years. ”

    He’s played 140 games 3 times in his career…..heck he only played 134 last year.

    Look we can say that they were flukey things but I’m not buying it’s all coincidence.

    Even if he does stay healthy you could argue he’s the worst player to ever get a 150 million dollar contract……I like him as a player…..I hope he’s a great Yankee…..but when you look at this in the context of comparing his contract to Cano’s (which is what I was doing )…..I think his carries as much or more risk due to the fact that he’s not as good as cano and that he has a history of getting hurt

  107. vc 11 February 10th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    At first I was left scratching my head at why the Yankees didn’t at least offer Robbie 8/$200, but now I think that, when you factor in the income tax, there was little chance of the Yankees getting Robbie back unless they went at least 10/$235 and even then I’m not sure. After taxes, Robbie still would have been leaving money on the table from Seattle, and a fair chunk of it, too, to stay with the Yankees.

    We’ll never know unless he comes out and explains it.

    Something inside me says Robbie might have been intimidated by the pressure of being the next face of the franchise once Jeter retired, but again, I’ll never know.

  108. greenrolls March 11th, 2014 at 5:52 am

    the letter would really hit cano’s heart. but what else can we do? just wish him good luck in seattle.

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