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Sunday morning notes: Relievers take their turn in the bullpen

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 16, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Camp has been open for three days now, and the just-getting-started feeling is already beginning to fade. Things already felt like business as usual in the Yankees clubhouse this morning, with Mark Teixeira’s arrival easily generating the most attention. Teixeira spoke quite a bit about the status of his wrist and his expectations for this season — and his expectations for spring training — so I’m going to listen back through that interview and post more on the blog later today.

For now, just a few quick morning notes on this second day of workouts for pitchers and catchers.

David Robertson· The Yankees top starters got to work in the bullpen yesterday. Today’s it’s the relievers’ turn. Dave Robertson, Shawn Kelley and Matt Thornton — the three guys who seem most locked into big league relief jobs — are in today’s first bullpen group. So is Matt Daley, for whatever that’s worth. Given the uncertain status of the bullpen, Daley strikes me as a guy with a non-zero chance of breaking camp.

· Live batting practice begins tomorrow. Some of the pitchers who are a little bit ahead are ready to face hitters. Vidal Nuno, Dellin Betances and Chase Whitley are among the guys scheduled to throw live BP tomorrow (I’m pretty sure, but not certain, that Adam Warren and David Phelps will do that as well). The pitchers said they’re not sure whether they’ll be pitching to the catchers already in camp, or if some guys might come over from the minor league complex to take at-bats. Either way, live BP on the third day of camp is pretty good.

· Betances is ready to face hitters because he’s been doing quite a bit of work for about a month now. Back in January, Betances went down to the Dominican Republic for three weeks of workouts with a pitching guru down there (Betances said this guy has worked with Joel Peralta and some other names you’d recognize). Betances wanted to play winter ball this offseason, but the Yankees wouldn’t let him. He did this training instead, and said he feels good about getting a head start down there. He’s been in Tampa since basically the first of February. He definitely knows there’s a chance for him to finally have an impact in New York this season.

· Random clubhouse conversation this morning with Nik Turley. He had a baby this winter, so he’s in the mode of talking excitedly about a little kid just discovering his hands and feet. Said he stayed in Tampa this winter. I’d only spoken to him a little bit last year, but he’s a very friendly guy.

· Bullpens
Matt Daley (to Austin Romine)
Shawn Kelley (to Francisco Cervelli)
Dave Robertson (to Brian McCann)
Matt Thornton (to John Ryan Murphy)

Manny Banuelos (to Gary Sanchez)
Cesar Cabral (to Roman Rodriguez)
Brian Gordon (to Pete O’Brien)
Chris Leroux (to Jose Gil)
Mark Montgomery (to Francisco Arcia)

· Batting practice groups (same as yesterday)
Group 1: Francisco Arcia, Jose Gil, Pete O’Brien, Gary Sanchez
Group 2: Brian McCann, John Ryan Murphy, Austin Romine, Francisco Cervelli

Associated Press photo

 
 

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112 Responses to “Sunday morning notes: Relievers take their turn in the bullpen”

  1. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Betances sounds serious.

  2. Yankee Trader February 16th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    I am so glad to hear that Luis and his family are out. thanks MTU

    When you trade for a pitcher in the offseason, in this case Pineda, who is planning to return to his native country, there should be a protocol of what the team expects in terms of conditioning and nutrition while they are away, before they come to spring training.

    Pineda already had red flags circling around him, when his last few months in a Mariner uniform were different from the earlier stellar stats and velocity.

  3. DONNYBROOK February 16th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    The Robertson ??? is way overblown. Unless the guy is MO ,Gagne, Dominator, the Closer role is on the way out. It’s mix and match till a Chucker’s arm falls off. Robertson will certainly get the role, but Girardi will Not hesitate to hit the trap door should there be Any glitches. Girardi loves to mix-n-match.

  4. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    YT-

    Luis isn’t. Only his Family.

    He is actually part of the protests unfortunately.

  5. yankeefeminista February 16th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Manny throwing to Sanchez. Dellin did yesterday. Love it. That is our future and hopefully part of our present, although still believe strongly that we should give our top arms every chance to start. Dellin may be a lost cause for Yanks, but please keep Manny out of the pen and in the SP to get his innings.

    Tar, yes, luis’s family has been out of the country for quite a while. Especially his children.

  6. jmills February 16th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    I’ve been writing jmv who is still in Venezuela, but looking to get out. Imagine a country driving an intelligent man like that with surgical skills out.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    yankeefeminista February 16th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    luis February 15th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
    Hi guys,
    please if you can share this video, I will appreciate it.

    Thank you in advance.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFS6cP9auDc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    ////

    Prayers for luis, jmv, their families, and Venezuela.

    I am circulating this video.

    Let’s all try to help our Lohud friends and get it out there.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    jmills,

    Thanks for all your emails. Haven’t had a chance to respond, but they mean a lot.

    Hope everything is well your way.

    Still in the thick of it, right now.

  9. Yankee Trader February 16th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    I remember Maddon saying that the Rays look to have bullpen arms that can give opposing teams different looks, whether it’s different pitches or angles of delivery. I don’t have any stats, but it seems the Rays, on a budget, have had pretty good success from their pen.

    What do the Yankee arms in camp vying for a pen job, throw, and are there any sidearmers?

  10. Ys Guy February 16th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Eppler spent about 20 minutes on wfan this morning talking about the scouting of tanaka. nothing big but pretty interesting.

  11. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    One thing great about cell phones and the Internet is it makes it practically impossible for a repressive government to hide the truth from the rest of the World.

    Viva la verdad !

    Viva le Blog !

    ;)

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    yankeefeminista February 16th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Manny throwing to Sanchez. Dellin did yesterday. Love it. That is our future and hopefully part of our present, although still believe strongly that we should give our top arms every chance to start. Dellin may be a lost cause for Yanks, but please keep Manny out of the pen and in the SP to get his innings.
    ///

    Hear, hear.

    I don’t want Dellin fusting in the bullpen. Best thing for him would be to have a great year out of the pen for the Yankees, get traded, and then be given the chance to start somewhere else.

    That would help the Yankees and it would help Dellin, too. He is a front-end talent and I hope, for his sake, the rotation – any rotation – is his future.

    Looking forward to ST when we’ll get to see some of these kids, and of course, to Trenton/Charleston/SI viewing i spring/summer.

    Good one, all

  13. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Y’s-

    Can you elaborate a little please ?

  14. Yankee Trader February 16th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    MTU

    How long has his family been out? Is Luis now having trouble getting back to the States?

  15. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    YT-

    For a while. Don’t know exactly how long.

    I’m not sure but he seems to want to be involved.

  16. Yankee Trader February 16th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Pruf

    Facing these linemen, Sabathia, Pineda, and Betances, as well as Nova someday. Would that be the tallest starting 4 to pitch for a team?

  17. blake February 16th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Kimbrel with #Braves four years, $42M. Can grow to $45.5M with performance bonuses. Option year worth $13M. Max value: $58.5M.

    Curses

  18. blake February 16th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Boston is the luckiest team of all time

  19. tomingeorgia February 16th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Mister MTU,
    That’s the impression I got. Luis is a patriot, and wants his country back, and feels he won’t get it if he leaves.

  20. Giuseppe Franco February 16th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    GF-

    I bet you understand more about conditioning than most.

    —–

    Unfortunately, it was forced on me in the beginning but I’ve taken it up a few hundred notches since.

    And now I love every minute of it.

    I’ve sustained more than my share of injuries as well but that hasn’t slowed me down.

    Off to practice….

  21. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Mister Tom-

    Luis is very courageous. I admire him for that.

    You too.

    ;)

  22. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    GF-

    You’re the miracle Man.

    :)

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Yankee Trader February 16th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Pruf

    Facing these linemen, Sabathia, Pineda, and Betances, as well as Nova someday. Would that be the tallest starting 4 to pitch for a team?
    ///

    lol, it would also be a nasty staff.

  24. yankeefeminista February 16th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Pruf, yes, hopefully, they do right by the young SP’s; the days are dragging now until we actually get to live games. I too am most excited to see the kids play. A little under 7 weeks to live ball.

    YT, I don’t want to speak for him, but luis can’t just leave. His moral conscience would never let him, plus he has many in his extended family that he cannot abandon/is responsible for.

  25. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    New York Yankees: Sabathia has a chance to restart after his frustrating 2013, and there is also this — some encouraging signs about Michael Pineda, the pitching phenom who hasn’t been in the big leagues since 2011 because of shoulder issues. Word is that he appears to be throwing well and on his way to perhaps rebuilding his velocity to where it was when he was with the Mariners.

  26. Captain Clutch February 16th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Great so now the dirty sox get $13m to spend on a free agent.

  27. yankeefeminista February 16th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    GF, have a good practice!

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock February 16th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    He also doesn’t want to abandon his own people.

    Praying for luis and jmv and for Venezuela. Prayers are not strictly religious conventions, they are real thoughts that go out into the great cosmic computer and send focused energy to the intended receiver.

    It’s not religion, it’s pretty much quantum reality. The more “love”, the stronger the vibration. Let’s all pray for Venezuela, guys and gals: it really will help keep our dear lohud friends safe.

    Good day all.

  29. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    As long as the Sux don’t grab Santana or Ubaldo I could care less.

    ;)

  30. yankeefeminista February 16th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Speaking of tall, I’d love to see Rony Bautista progress this year. And speaking of not so tall, I wouldn’t worry about ManBan’s height; the kid is strong as an ox and has a great core.

  31. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    As long as the Sux don’t grab Santana or Ubaldo I could care less.

    ****

    I don’t know if they want to give up their 1st round pick – probably means they could bring back Drew or take on someone else’s contract via a trade.

  32. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    Stones-

    That’s OK w me.

    Like to keep those other options open.

    ;)

  33. AAA February 16th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Kimbrel with #Braves four years, $42M. Can grow to $45.5M with performance bonuses. Option year worth $13M. Max value: $58.5M.

    Curses

    ======================================

    Yankees might want to go to school on what the Braves are doing here. Great job by their front office securing their young core.

  34. Cashmoney February 16th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    AAA, you have to have a young core to secure first.

  35. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Lots of people chattering about Dempster not playing in 2014 and how it will probably open up money for Drew. Still can’t believe Cruz and Drew are still out there.

  36. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Worst Extensions from 2013:

    “Andrus didn’t get hurt, but he hit like he was; after racking up 43 extra-base hits as a 23-year-old, he fell to just 25 last year, and his offensive regression ate up a lot of his value. Andrus’ glove and baserunning still made him a useful player, but he probably wouldn’t be able to ask for a $125 million extension this winter coming off a year in which he hit .278/.328/.331 while playing in a ballpark that inflates offense. If any of the long-term deals look regrettable in retrospect, it’s probably this one, especially since the Rangers gave him a pair of opt-outs so that he can earn even more money if he has a breakout season and becomes the star they hope he can be.”

  37. braeburn February 16th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    “Yankees might want to go to school on what the Braves are doing here. Great job by their front office securing their young core.”

    just curious, why didn’t the braves try to hold on to mccann?

    kind of odd when some people are taking about mccann becoming the new face of the yankees.
    with chipper gone, you’d think the braves would have wanted to make mccann the face of the braves.

  38. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    YT, I don’t want to speak for him, but luis can’t just leave. His moral conscience would never let him, plus he has many in his extended family that he cannot abandon/is responsible for.

    ———-

    Too true. Some things are worth fighting for. We’re lucky to know people with such conviction.

  39. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    you have to have a young core to secure first.

    *****

    that could very well be the pitching staff 12-18 months from now

  40. AAA February 16th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    AAA, you have to have a young core to secure first.

    ============================

    Fair point.

  41. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Andrus’ second half numbers were great.

    First half: .242 .300 .280 .580
    Second half: .313 .369 .405 .774

  42. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Any ballplayer named Elvis has to be worth having.

    :)

  43. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    I’d still take Andrus’ deal in a heartbeat. A talented young INF controlled through age 33? Yes.

  44. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Yankees might want to go to school on what the Braves are doing here. Great job by their front office securing their young core.”

    My guess is John Hart was a big part of the decision to do this…..the braves have done a fantastic job securing their core this winter…..I think they’ll lose Heyward still though

  45. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    more about Andrus:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/spor.....ad-too.ece

  46. AAA February 16th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    just curious, why didn’t the braves try to hold on to mccann?

    =========================

    He’s going to be 30 this year and probably isn’t a catcher anymore after the 3rd year of his Yankee contract. Guys the Braves are locking up are all under 25.

    The Braves did sign McCann to a long term deal when he was 23, buying out his arb years and 2 years of free agency.

  47. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Any ballplayer named Elvis has to be worth having.

    ****

    yeah maybe if the Rangers chip in a little – but i am afraid it might just be too much heartbreak hotel

  48. braeburn February 16th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    “My guess is John Hart was a big part of the decision to do this…..the braves have done a fantastic job securing their core this winter…”

    what was their strategy in letting maccann go.

    they obviously made that decision.

  49. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Elvis starts making 15 mill a year in 2015 – and that goes until 2022

  50. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Get me Tulo.

    Now there is a fitting Jeter replacement.

    ;)

  51. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Andrus is good….but Tulo is the true and rightful heir to the thrown

  52. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Stones-

    In that case maybe his name should be “Elvis Undress”.

    :(

  53. Cashmoney February 16th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Nunez is royalty blake.

  54. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Tulo is a stud.

  55. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Andrus had a bad first half of 2013….aside from that blip he’s been on a steady incline offensively ….I don’t think he is ever gonna be an .850 ops hitter or anything but a consistent .780-.820 guy with speed and great D….yes

  56. AAA February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    what was their strategy in letting maccann go.

    ========================

    Beyond McCann’s age and the fact that they’ve likely gotten his best seasons, they have a young inexpensive guy in Evan Gattis to play C for them. As I understand it, he’s a step down from McCann defensively, but a decent hitter who will probably cost them less than a million this season.

  57. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    I’ll settle for Castro.

    :)

  58. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Get me Tulo.

    Now there is a fitting Jeter replacement.

    ****

    IF he can stay healthy – i would want fans to sign a certain waiver that they cannot complain if he misses half a season or most of a season that they cannot complain or be fined a substantial amount

  59. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Cashmoney says:
    February 16, 2014 at 11:30 am
    Nunez is royalty blake.

    He’d be a good court jester…..Tulo could watch clips of him falling down and fumbling balls for amusement

  60. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    but a consistent .780-.820 guy

    ******

    seriously – his careers ops is below .700 and his OPS has never been above .727 – but whatever, we all remember what he did in 2010 ALCS – so yes let’s pay him 15 million a yer until 2022

  61. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Dempster must have some family issues going on….I hope nobody is dealing with illness because I don’t care how my arm felt I woukdnt walk away from 13.5 million and I’m assuming he wouldn’t either

  62. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    “seriously – his careers ops is below .700 and his OPS has never been above .727 – but whatever, we all remember what he did in 2010 ALCS – so yes let’s pay him 15 million a yer until 2022″

    He’s 25….I’m talking his prime years. He’s not there yet. Ozzie smith was a sub .600 O

  63. Cashmoney February 16th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    but a consistent .780-.820 guy with speed and great D….yes
    ——-
    I agree with the speed and D part, I don’t think Andrus will be a consistent 780-820 ops dude. I take Reyes over Andrus, probably more realistic trade match up for Yanks as well.

    i don’t want any part of Andrus remaining contract either.

  64. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Ozzie was a sub .600 ops hitter until his 5th season! Even if Elvis settles in at .750 with his D he is worth that contract

  65. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Id take Reyes too…..I don’t know if The Jays will trade with yanks though

  66. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    .I’m talking his prime years. He’s not there yet. Ozzie smith was a sub .600 O

    *****

    wow – welcome to the world of speculation – I have an oil field I also want you to look into and by from me – there is NOTHING to suggest Andrus will increase his OPS by 100 to 120 points – especially where his extra bases have gone down from last year – add to that he is not worth 15 million a year till 2022. He is more reputation now than reality. If you are willing to take that bet, than you waive your right to contest anything else that goes on.

  67. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    FA’s: Hanley, Asdrubal, Hardy

    Trades: Andrus, Castro, Owings, Franklin, Reyes, Olt, etc.

  68. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Even if Elvis settles in at .750 with his D he is worth that contract

    *****

    this is way overvauling and wanting to just have some offense at ss for the sake of having some offense – you can cheaper options for less than 15 million until 2022 and still have mid 700 ops and gg D – it just won’t be that – hey we have a young player for a decade romanticism that seems to be running a mock now with everyone retiring.

  69. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Andrus was trending up before his bad first half of 2013…..I expect him to just back on that train in 2014 as I like his swing and contact skills. He’s never gonna hit for a lot of power but I do think what I posted is possible in his prime. Yes in speculation…..duh

  70. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Tulo ?

    :)

  71. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    How many SSs currently play it can OPS .750 and play elite defense Stone? Not many…..and the ones who can make a lot of money for the most part

  72. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Andrus was trending up before his bad first half of 2013…..I expect him to just back on that train in 2014 as I like his swing and contact skills. He’s never gonna hit for a lot of power but I do think what I posted is possible in his prime. Yes in speculation…..duh

    *****

    there is good speculation and then there is bad speculation – committing 15 million of your payroll to an overpriced ss who will never hit for power, who depends on speed, is not a contact demon (you cannot strikeout that much – not in the 90s come on) and who has never hit over 100 ops+ – it is not worth the price and commitment – it is bad speculation when you have to bring out the ozzie smith card – - – -

  73. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    How many SSs currently play it can OPS .750 and play elite defense Stone? Not many…..and the ones who can make a lot of money for the most part

    ******

    first, stop with the .750 ops (you already down from .780-820 ops) so stop it.

    second, you get a JJ Hardy – better defense more pop – at less years and less cost – it is not the – oh he is 26 and we have him for the next eight years gibberish that is running rampant now – trying to get the next great Yankees to adore for a decade or more like jeter or mo – heck i would rather try to trade for Didi than before adding 15 million a year until 2022 -

  74. Blojaldo February 16th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    DONNYBROOK February 16th, 2014 at 10:30 am
    The Robertson ??? is way overblown. Unless the guy is MO ,Gagne, Dominator, the Closer role is on the way out. It’s mix and match till a Chucker’s arm falls off. Robertson will certainly get the role, but Girardi will Not hesitate to hit the trap door should there be Any glitches. Girardi loves to mix-n-match.
    __________________

    That’s not borne out by reality, the closer is not on the way out and Girardi only does the mix thing because he has to.

  75. Revenge of Stoneburner February 16th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    and one last thing before i sail out – with the “duh” in particular which i think the following is no justified – you are wanting the Yankees to take on 15 million a year til 2022 (some of the last few years are 14 million) based on an ozzie smith speculation – especially where you started with a .780 to .820 speculation – all i can say is that look in the mirror a bit more before you criticize what the actual basesball are doing – or else we would have Josh Hamilton making 25 million a year in RF and Andrus at 15 million a year where he barely can crack .715 OPS, let alone a career .688 OPS with diminishing extra bases -

  76. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    How much you giving Hardy? He’s older…..what if he signs an extension?

  77. blake February 16th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Stone ….again yea it’s speculation….it’s my opinion on what I think Andrus will be in his prime. Not sure what else you expect from an opinion

  78. Ys Guy February 16th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    I like andrus, I dont know if he’d hit, but I know he can play a great SS. Depends on the cost.

  79. Tar February 16th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Part of the appeal of Andrus, besides his playing ability, is because of his contract the cost of acquiring him should not be significant. It should mainly be about money…which is a Yankee strength…right?

    15 million sounds like a lot, but the way contracts are going it will probably be a bargain in short order. That is of course if he doesn’t regress. It seems like a risk / reward scenario to me. It would all depend on what the Yankee scouts think.

  80. spoiledyankfan February 16th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t understand why are you guys so worried about the Yanks’ future SS. This is what will happen: Nuñez will take over Jeter after he’s injured and will bat .340/.390/420 with 0 errors for the remainder of the year. In the postseason, Nuñez will carry the Yankees, batting in the third spot and hitting the game winning HR in game 7 of the world series….(*ducks*)

  81. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    I’d rather get Castro than Andrus.

  82. mortl February 16th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    starlin castro ? ummm no. ANDRUS > CASTRO

  83. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Castro has much more potential w the bat.

    He had an off yr. last year and needs a change of scenery.

    Cheaper and younger too.

    JMO.

  84. Blojaldo February 16th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Pending free agents Ramirez and Hardy are obvious choices as Yankee dollars can give them a better than average shot at one of them. What’s working against them is both the Dodgers and Orioles are going to try very hard to extend them and not let them test free agency.

  85. MTU February 16th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Time to walk the Mops.

    later.

  86. Tar February 16th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Haven’t seen Castro (or Andrus enough) to really say which I prefer.

    I would think the cost of acquiring Castro would be more upfront prospects…while the cost of Andrus would be more long term money.

    All things equal, I would rather they spend money over giving up what talent they have.

  87. Blojaldo February 16th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    No surprise, there is no one even close to being big league ready in the Yankees farm system. So a trade or free agency will have to be the ticket. We don’t have much to deal with; Gardner and Nova seem like the best bets now and both could become more or less likely by the trade deadline or next winter depending upon their first half performance.

    With Ramirez and Hardy likely to be extended I am a little surprised at the lack of interest in Drew as a fall back option. If nothing else he could buy them a couple of years. There must be something working against him as far as the Yankee front office goes.

  88. bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    One of the hidden costs of bringing in someone like Andrus or Tolu is that because their remaining contracts are so long (5 years or better), it basically shuts out any possibility of solving your shortstops needs internally by anyone who is now in your system. It’s not like this has been a real problem for the Yanks in the past given the condition of their farm system. But one of Hal’s long term goalsl (even after disposing of 189) is to bring the Yanks budget down to levels more comparable to their competitors. You can’t do that by having $10MM+ players at every position. You need some cheap spots on your roster and the farm makes that possible.

    Right now the Yanks have some interesting SS prospects at A level and below. Probably none will ever make it but you never know and it’s an option you always would like to keep open. That’s why the three year FA product can be very attractive (Beltran et al or even McCann with the DH option). It gives your farm time to find a cheap solution.

    This is the reason why I turned to Drew on a three year deal. Drew at $11/12MM for 2015/16 makes some sense by solving the SS problem but allowing for farm help in the not too distant future. Of course, the Yanks want none of Drew now which is a whole other issue.

  89. mortl February 16th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    andrus > castro . castro looks lost at the plate and has been a liability in the field… he basically has ADD out there not sure why you would rather have castro over andrus. Andrus has better bat better defensively plays in better division… your in the minority on this one.

  90. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    bigdan – All true, but having no infield does have one perk: you can move guys around the diamond if you need to. If those guys are any good, we can find a spot for them to play.

  91. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Tulo is a guy that might make sense for 3B down the road.. Andrus could fit at 2B if you had some power bat SS come up behind him who also gave you stellar SS defense.. same is probably true for Reyes. Hanley is a 3B now, IMO. Having any of the above and a young talent coming up behind them would be one of those good problems we never seem to have to worry about lol.

  92. bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Getting back to Drew. Not only are the Yanks not going to sign him, but they are making a gallant effort of allowing it to appear to the world that they aren’t even remotely interested in signing him. Makes you wonder if something else is going on..

    Maybe the Yanks don’t think Drew wants to play for them and they don’t want to be used by him and Boras. Or maybe they don’t want anything or anybody to interfere with the Jeter parade. I felt that before Jeter’s announcement, there’s no way the Yanks would add Drew to their roster. He would be too big of a threat to their icon. But after the announcement, I felt the opening was there. Maybe not. Just having a superior SS around Derek his last year may be too difficult for the team to handle. They are certainly making it seem like Ryan is not only an adequate back up but that he may be more as well, talking up possible improvement in his hitting.

    Anyway, time to move. This looks like the team they are at least going to start with.

  93. bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    The thing to think about Shame, if you are paying a guy to be an offensive SS, you lose value when you move them. The same problem with Drew. I don’t think he’s worth $10MM+ unless he’s playing SS. His true value is his SS glove with a league average bat or thereabouts.

  94. RadioKev February 16th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Maybe I’m being naive, but I’m really not concerned about the bullpen. I think they’ll figure it out.

  95. tucker February 16th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    The Yanks seem to be taking a more public position on Boras clients. He has used the Yanks as leverage in the past. By publicly disclosing their lack of interest in a free agent, it takes leverage away from Boras as he shops Drew to the Sox or the Mets.

    Of course it could mean that Cashman is playing coy in the hopes of signing Drew to a team-friendly deal. Though I think the Yanks are pretty much done with their MLB roster for now. Hal believes he has spent enough unless some pressing issue arises during camp (Tex injury, etc.).

  96. Shame Spencer February 16th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    The thing to think about Shame, if you are paying a guy to be an offensive SS, you lose value when you move them. The same problem with Drew. I don’t think he’s worth $10MM+ unless he’s playing SS. His true value is his SS glove with a league average bat or thereabouts.

    —————–

    Well Tulo’s numbers translate beyond playing SS. Same with Hanley. Reyes would probably be an above average offensive 2B.. I think Andrus might be as well. A short term deal like Castro’s would be nice, don’t get me wrong, but there are a lot of holes to fill. If we were stocked with talent, I’d maybe give it thought but you’re still talking years away.

    Hell, if they signed Drew for a short term deal AND traded for any of the shortstops listed above, I’d still not worry about playing time.

  97. Cashmoney February 16th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Reyes + Lawrie is what I want from the Jays. I don’t think Yanks have the chips for that deal. I rather sit tight and see how this year works out on major and minor level then assess.

    No to Andrus.

  98. bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Remember Tulo’s splits. He’s a MVP at Coors. Away he is not. Would he still be worth $20MM a year in his post prime years using his away splits and playing 3b?

    Andrus looks way overpaid as a SS, not sure that improves by moving him to 2b.

    Once a player has been paid as a SS, you have to readjust his worth a bit if you think you have to move him. And Drew at over $10MM is seriously overpaid if he’s not a SS.

  99. tucker February 16th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    The thing about replacing Jeter is, no matter who you find, he will not measure up. Jeter is the best SS the Yankees ever had and I don’t see that changing. You can try to stock the minors with all the talented young SS in the hope that one pans out. Most won’t.

    I would like to see Tulo in pinstripes. Hanley is great, too, though he may be a third baseman before long.

  100. Cashmoney February 16th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    a possibility for 15 is Lowrie at 2b. The idea here is not necessarily you need a top notch SS to replace Jeter, Yanks and fans would obvious prefer that. you can fortifying the rest of infield and deal with an average SS (because there simply aren’t too many attractive candidates) and continue to be on the search.

    If there isn’t much out there in terms of complete package SS you look elsewhere on the diamond.

  101. AAA February 16th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Remember Tulo’s splits. He’s a MVP at Coors. Away he is not. Would he still be worth $20MM a year in his post prime years using his away splits and playing 3b?

    =======================================

    His .820 OPS away from Coors is considerably above average for an MLB shortstop (average OPS for SS was .680 in 2014). In fact, it’s just about what Jeter’s is for his career.

  102. Hankflorida February 16th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    They are certainly making it seem like Ryan is not only an adequate back up but that he may be more as well, talking up possible improvement in his hitting.

    Bigdan, in the 1930′s, Crosetti was the weakest link in the Yankee line up and was a .245 hitter; the 2014 team does not have the luxury of having a Crosetti type of player at short, and Ryan would need a drastic improvement with his bat to match The Crow’s numbers. Drew would be better especially with the wind tunnel in right field at the Stadium.

  103. Jerkface February 16th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Andrus has like no power but he plays elite defense and gets on basr around .340. If he develops any kind of power at all he would be a pretty good deal on his current contract.

    I’d trade for him in the hopes that he opts out of his deal. He has opt outs for 2018 and 2019. I don’t think I’d trade for him if I had to have him through age 34.

  104. braeburn February 16th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    “Beyond McCann’s age and the fact that they’ve likely gotten his best seasons, they have a young inexpensive guy in Evan Gattis to play C for them.”

    thanks for the info. yup gattis is an intriguing guy. didn’t play minor league ball until age 23 and only had five games at triple a and 49 games at double a when he moved up to the majors and had 21 homers in 105 games. .771 OPS 40 games catching 40 games left field.

    now that’s an interesting start to a mlb career.

  105. Tar February 16th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    “Bigdan, in the 1930?s, Crosetti was the weakest link in the Yankee line up and was a .245 hitter; the 2014 team does not have the luxury of having a Crosetti type of player at short, and Ryan would need a drastic improvement with his bat to match The Crow’s numbers. Drew would be better especially with the wind tunnel in right field at the Stadium.”

    Hank

    I really like reading your posts, especially regarding Yankee history. Thanks :D

    RE: Drew… this is what he did away from Fenway last year .222.295 .392 .687

    And this is what he did vs LH pitching .196.246.340.585

    Taking into account the cost associated with Drew (including a pick) I would rather give Nunez another shot.

  106. Cashmoney February 16th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Tar, it’s unlikely Nunez will get a lot playing time as SS in 14. I am not even sure he will break camp with the Yanks. What I do think is in Nunez you have a speedy hitter who can ops around 750 if all goes well. The question is always his D, Can he be an adequate 2b or 3b is the question.

  107. bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    AAA February 16th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
    Remember Tulo’s splits. He’s a MVP at Coors. Away he is not. Would he still be worth $20MM a year in his post prime years using his away splits and playing 3b?

    =======================================

    His .820 OPS away from Coors is considerably above average for an MLB shortstop (average OPS for SS was .680 in 2014). In fact, it’s just about what Jeter’s is for his career.

    ———-

    I realize that which is why Tulo at SS should be a consideration if he becomes available. But my point was, once you move him to 3b, his hitting doesn’t provide the same competitive advantage. Moreover, his production is likely to regress some as he enters his early 30s.

    Tulo, if he becomes available, should and I think will be something the Yanks would consider next off season. But he really only makes sense at his salary as a SS. And what the Yanks will have to trade to obtain him I think would be considerable which makes the overall decision a difficult one.

  108. bigdan22 February 16th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Hankflorida February 16th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
    They are certainly making it seem like Ryan is not only an adequate back up but that he may be more as well, talking up possible improvement in his hitting.

    Bigdan, in the 1930?s, Crosetti was the weakest link in the Yankee line up and was a .245 hitter; the 2014 team does not have the luxury of having a Crosetti type of player at short, and Ryan would need a drastic improvement with his bat to match The Crow’s numbers. Drew would be better especially with the wind tunnel in right field at the Stadium.

    —-

    I’m not disagreeing with you about whether it would be wise to rely on Ryan as anything more than a backup. But comparing any team to the Yankees teams under McCarthy in the 1930s would be problematic. That’s a pretty tough standard. Some of those teams rate with Murder’s Row.

  109. braeburn February 16th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    i’d like the yankees to get nick franklin. he’s played half his games in the minor at shortstop and can obviously can play second base. the guy hit in the minors and at age 22 had an almost .700 ops in seattle’s bad park to hit in.

    the mariners have nowhere to play franklin. he should be able to be gotten cheaply at some point.

  110. Ys Guy February 16th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Tulo misses ALOT of games. Not quite on the Drew/Youkilis scale, but still alot.

    The past 4 seasons Tulo has averaged 110 games per year.

    If he’s missed that many games in his 20′s, how healthy is he likely to be in his 30′s?

  111. Tar February 16th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Cash

    I agree. I can see a scenario where due to injury he gets regular playing time. I can also see him surprising a lot of people if that happens. I keep thinking about that AB vs Verlander in the PS….that was as good as an AB as you will see, no luck involved.

    With Cash so quick to sign Ryan.. just don’t think there is room for Drew. And even if Drew did want to play 3rd…I would rather have someone better.

  112. AAA February 16th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    I realize that which is why Tulo at SS should be a consideration if he becomes available. But my point was, once you move him to 3b, his hitting doesn’t provide the same competitive advantage. Moreover, his production is likely to regress some as he enters his early 30s.

    =============================

    Yeah, that’s fair. As someone else pointed out, he hasn’t exactly been Gehrig either. Misses a lot of games.

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