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Thursday afternoon notes: Jeter healthy again (and he means it this time)

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Derek Jeter, Eduardo Nunez

When the Yankees went to stretch in right field this morning, Derek Jeter took his place next to Mark Teixeira. He jogged for a while. He shuffled his feet. He played catch with Eduardo Nunez, fielded ground balls with Dean Anna, and hit line drives into center field. It was pretty boring, really, except for the context.

A year ago at this time, Jeter’s legs were weak. He couldn’t do conditioning drills with his teammates, and he was foolishly pushing himself to be ready for Opening Day.

“I’m always going to tell you I’m fine,” Jeter said. “This year, I mean it.”

Derek JeterJeter actually lost some weight this offseason. He spent most of his career at 199 pounds — said he tried to get to 200 but always seemed to be a pound short — but this winter he cut down to around 193, 194. He changed his diet a little bit, but mostly he focused on conditioning.

“On purpose,” Jeter said. “I did a lot of conditioning, a lot of running. I wanted to be a little lighter, take some pressure off my legs and move around a little bit better.”

It was only one workout — and a fairly light one — but Jeter seemed to be moving pretty well today. Certainly better than he was a year ago. One workout isn’t nearly enough to learn anything about Jeter’s defensive range or offensive production, but it might have told us a little bit about his improved healthy.

“I would say last year at times, just going through what you might consider everyday activity and jogs, running the bases, you would notice (the ankle bothering him),” Joe Girardi said. “Today it looked like he never got hurt. Just his jogging and watching him doing the exercises and stretching today, the running that they do, his running looked normal to me.”

Jeter said there’s “no comparison whatsoever” between how he felt today and how he felt a year ago. This year he’s healthy. Last year he was convincing people he was healthy.

“It’s not normal for me to necessarily peek at him when he was running his sprints and stretching,” Girardi said. “But I am going to be aware of that, and pay attention to it. Not because he’s retiring, but because of what he’s coming off.”

Michael Pineda· The first health problem of the spring: Alfonso Soriano has flu-like symptoms and wasn’t in uniform today. Doesn’t seem like a significant issue.

· Young catcher Pete O’Brien wasn’t the only one impressed by Michael Pineda’s bullpen this morning. “How the ball is coming out of his hand is the biggest thing for me,” Girardi said. “Does he look like he’s putting too much effort to let the ball go, or is it coming out easy? That’s what I’ve seen. It’s coming out easy. I don’t see him overthrowing. And the stuff being sharp, hitting his spots with some sink and some run to it. His slider looks good. His changeup looks good. His mechanics to me look much more polished than they were a couple of years ago. He’s had a lot of time to work on it and to think about it. He’s much more consistent in his delivery.”

· Pineda is not yet facing hitters like Adam Warren and Vidal Nuno did today, but Girardi said that’s not really because of health concerns. “It’s just some guys are a little bit ahead of others for various reasons,” Girardi said. “Maybe they started a little bit earlier here with Larry is usually the main reason. We might have a little caution, (but) he’s healthy. Pineda looks good to me.”

· Also, there’s this to consider about the guys facing hitters already: “It could be also too, as you look into it, who might be pitching in the first few games,” Girardi said. Of course, he didn’t go into detail, but it certainly sounds like either Nuno or Warren could start the spring opener (or one of those early games at the very least).

· I only covered the very end of Hideki Matsui’s time with the Yankees, but it’s still kind of cool to see him here as a guest instructor if only because of all the great things I’ve heard players, coaches and other writers say about him. “We had meetings early, so I didn’t have a chance to talk to him as much as I’d like,” Jeter said. “It seems like every year there’s more and more ex-teammates that are turning in to coaches, or honorary guest special instructors.”

Derek Jeter· Girardi said there are no real restrictions on what Jeter can do this spring: “I don’t know if he’ll play the first game or two, but beyond that we don’t really have a lot of restrictions on him right now,” Girardi said. “I think we want to make sure he gets enough days of baserunning in to make sure he’s ready to go.”

· Trying to think of first impressions from watching today’s workouts, but there’s really not a single key thing that stands out. I did think Jeter was moving pretty well. Eduardo Nunez was driving the ball in batting practice. Brian McCann already seems popular with almost everyone. I heard both Nuno and Warren looked good in their BP session this morning. Nothing overly significant. Just a pretty standard first day.

· Official fan attendance for today’s workout: 1,338. The parking lot was full.

· Final word goes to Jeter: “I always enjoy coming here. It gets monotonous working out over at the minor-league complex each and every day before you get over here with your teammates. It’s always exciting when you get over here. I looked forward to it because I missed a lot of it last year; it was a rough spring. I was here, then I was in the training room, I didn’t start off with the team. This year, it fels good to just be on a normal schedule.”

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139 Responses to “Thursday afternoon notes: Jeter healthy again (and he means it this time)”

  1. austinmac February 20th, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    There is no alternative but to believe Jeter can play regularly. They are going to let him do it until he can’t. I’m more optimistic after hearing the talk. Jeter should go out on a good year. It’s only fitting.

  2. blake February 20th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Even if if Jeter can play SS most of the time….who is on a play 2B when Roberts get hurt? Who is gonna play 3B?

  3. Cashmoney February 20th, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    who is on a play 2B when Roberts get hurt? Who is gonna play 3B?
    ——-
    this remind me of something ALi said at one time, to paraphrase it- ‘by the time he turn off the light switch in his room before the lights goes out he is already in bed.’ Well, Nunez is your man with his blazing speed.

  4. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    50 years tomorrow since Ali-Liston I. Unbelievable.

  5. hardwired7 February 20th, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    We know they can slide Kelly Johnson over to 2nd if/when Roberts goes down. I guess they’re banking on Sizemore’s knee holding up or a 3rd baseman shaking loose in the market at some point before the deadline.

    I hate to say it, but I have no faith in the thrill-a-minute joyride that is Eduardo Nunez. Wincing every time a groundball is hit in his direction is no way to go through a season.

  6. blake February 20th, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    “We know they can slide Kelly Johnson over to 2nd if/when Roberts goes down. ”

    Ok then who plays 3b? It’s an extremely risky situation….

  7. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    Harum Scarum.

    I refuse to be down about this season. It’s going to be a great ride.

  8. blake February 20th, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    I’m excited about the season Tom….I just think they are fooling themselves if they think this infield is ping. To work out…..they are gonna have to pay for it now or later….and it’ll probably cost a lot more later

  9. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    Who cares? I want the Panda anyway!

  10. blake February 20th, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    Well you’ll either have to pay for the panda via trade and then an extension…..or sign him to a lot more money most likely than you can get drew for now…..

  11. hardwired7 February 20th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    “It’s going to be a great ride.”

    They’ve gone out of their way to wash the taste of 2013 out of our mouths, that’s for sure.

    I know it’s easy for some to say, “Temper your enthusiasm over Pineda”, but imagine if he’s healthy and more polished? Pineda as a fifth starter gives this team a monster rotation.

    This season can’t get here soon enough.

  12. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    God Almighty, blake,
    If nobody else wants him and his terms, why should I? There are quite a few guys out there who can catch ground balls as well as he can, and not have his health worries. Maybe even a one of our own.

  13. pete2 February 20th, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Sloppy reporting. No mention of what Jeter ate for breakfast. What kind of diet was he on?. Whats his waist size now?. LOL.

    Seriously though, to continue a discussion with bigdan22 last night on what is a achievable for a good bench.

    “The Pirates. They won 94 games for many reasons, but one big element was 14 players who came off the Bucs’ bench for the heavy duty of 1,942 plate appearances and hit .252 and slugged .394. Those “stiffs” beat the NL batting and slugging norms of .251 and .388.:

    From the same article

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

    “Every year, MLB’s bench “bums” get to the plate more often than each team’s top three hitters — those “heart of the order” heroes. “

  14. hardwired7 February 20th, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    The only thing I’m dreading is hearing how many time Michael Kay calls CC ‘a titular ace’.

  15. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Tarheels + 2 1/2 is just too good to pass on….. If there is one spot that will be prone to leaks it’ll be the bullpen….Rotation get’s a huge lift from Pineda and then a healthy CC Sabathia

  16. blake February 20th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    “God Almighty, blake,
    If nobody else wants him and his terms, why should I? There are quite a few guys out there who can catch ground balls as well as he can, and not have his health worries. Maybe even a one of our own.”

    Because the infield stinks and it could keep them from making the playoffs….and Drew is better than what they have.

  17. blake February 20th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Beat Dook

  18. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    blake,
    And more expensive than all of them together. Can’t you wait and see?

  19. RhapsodyInBlue February 20th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Go Heels!

  20. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    February 20, 2014 at 6:00 pm
    blake,
    And more expensive than all of them together. Can’t you wait and see?

    He won’t be more expensive than the guy they have to trade for or sign next year I bet…..waiting and seeing is fine if you have some level of certainty . When you have as much risk as they do in the infield….waiting and seeing is a bad idea….especially if their is a good option available to proactively help the situation.

    But anyway….it is what it is….but it’s Jeters last year and I don’t like there being such a big hole on the team….I want them to win more than ever and the yanks should want to as well

  21. RhapsodyInBlue February 20th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Still bummed out about the girls but that’s two losses to Canada where Canada came from behind.

    Pretty good gut check by our friends to the north. I tip my hat.

  22. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    I mean would people rather them have to trade prospects and money to get Aramais Ramierez in July or something like that? That’s gonna cost too and it won’t help them for over half the season…..the games in April, May, and June count just the same as the rest

  23. hardwired7 February 20th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    UNC is definitely heating up at the right time. They won’t be a fun draw as a 5 or 6 seed come March.

  24. Against All Odds February 20th, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    and Drew is better than what they have.

    —————-

    That’s it in a nutshell. Hell the fact they went after a guy like Roberts tells you everything.

  25. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    blake,
    Don’t fret, they’ll do fine. I do not want Drew on anything close to the reported terms. Is he better than dirt? Yeah, I guess so. But the guys we have are not dirt.

  26. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    Look I get folks being tired of hearing about Drew….but im tired of thinking about Jeter having to be flanked by Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts in his final season. They need to go for it…..they are already over 189…..make the team as best as possible an lets try to win a title Hal. I mean reports are he can be had on a 2 year deal! Id get it if it would take 4 or 5 years but 2 years? Come on…..

  27. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    “Yeah, I guess so. But the guys we have are not dirt.”

    They pretty much are…..maybe mulch….but they shouldn’t be starting for the Yankees in the fon season of the cap’n

  28. hardwired7 February 20th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    What if Drew is dead set against playing 2nd or 3rd? It’s like when Beltran first became available, and Bernie was entrenched in his position.

    It’s all about timing.

  29. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    hardwired7 says:
    February 20, 2014 at 6:13 pm
    What if Drew is dead set against playing 2nd or 3rd? It’s like when Beltran first became available, and Bernie was entrenched in his position.

    He said he’d play other positions

  30. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    If it’s 2 years he’s after with an opt out after year 1 and he’s ok with playing other positions as the reports have suggested then there really is no logical reason for not signing him…..if they don’t Im assuming it’s simply because Hal won’t spend any more money

  31. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    This reads much like The BoSox fan blogs did last year. Now I’m not mixing apples and oranges but seriously folks this is what it is and you might as well get with the program….As much as we all want to stock the club with as few warts as possible, this squad is going to surprise many because their problems are Not with the everyday lineups and bench. Look to the mound and that’s where your collective concerns should lie..

  32. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    blake,
    “Hal won’t spend any more money” on him, anyway.

  33. pete2 February 20th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    “tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    “Don’t fret, they’ll do fine. I do not want Drew on anything close to the reported terms. ”

    What reported terms? Other than him wanting 2 years with an opt out, or 3 years with or without an opt-out, I have not heard any dollar figures. I expect he is well south of a 14 million AAV, perhaps as low as 10 million.

    For a guy who produced 3.4 WAR and is projected to produce at least 2 WAR (which is on the low side I think) and is only 31 these are hardly exorbitant demands.

    Meanwhile the Red Sox owner is contemplating breaking 189 in the next couple of years saying the benefit of being under is not what they anticipated.

  34. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    “This reads much like The BoSox fan blogs did last year. ”

    Huh? Boston actually filled their holes last year….the Yanks have filled some but have left a glaring hole in the infield…..

    Yes most all teams have warts…..some are more important than others though and for me….a whole infield with questions is a problem

  35. UnKnown February 20th, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    Tom – Honestly I think you approach baseball different then some, I think you look at it more of entertainment and something to watch, etc. Others really look at it in a more serious nature, and not so ho hum.

    With all due respect you said the same things last year, about how everything was going to be fine, “What me worry” blah blah blah. Well you couldn’t have been more wrong. So does that mean you are wrong about not worrying at all about this year, of course not, BUT I think your approach is somewhat unique and that the people on this board take baseball A LOT more seriously. Which in turn results in some worry.

    Time will tell, but it would be nice not to have Jeter’s last run turn into a sham of a season for the team like Mo’s resulted in. And YES I know that worrying about things isn’t going to change them and that we have to just see what happens. Yup I know all the clichéd lines.

  36. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    It’s like when Beltran first became available, and Bernie was entrenched in his position.

    Well not really ,since the thing that kept Beltran from the Yankees was Steinbrenner demanding Randy Johnson. Cashman wanted Beltran.

  37. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    pete2.
    Let them take him back, then.

  38. Against All Odds February 20th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    They pretty much are

    ————–

    Same thing I thought lol

  39. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    So blake you’re advocating spending 15 million ( maybe more ) to S. Drew to play 3rd this season ???? Is he really 5 times ( maybe more ) better than Kelly Johnson ???? Dang, Johnson is going to outhit him and the upgrade with the leather certainly doesn’t justify this type of contract….Drew is average at best

  40. hardwired7 February 20th, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    I’ve actually undergone a procedure to remove all memory of Randy Johnson as a member of the Yankees. It cost a ton, but not as much as the full Tony Womack removal.

    That really set me back.

  41. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    I thought it was a shame that Mo went out in a meaningless September game…..it was magical but it never felt right….he should have been in the playoffs when it ended. Jeter better be

  42. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Dang, Johnson is going to outhit him

    I really doubt this. Johnson hit .235 .305 .410 .715 last year while being strictly platooned by Joe Maddon. He is a full time player for the Yankees this year.

    Drew hit .253 .333 .443 .777.

    They are both lefties so its not like Johnson has a platoon advantage.

  43. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    I’ve actually undergone a procedure to remove all memory of Randy Johnson as a member of the Yankees. It cost a ton, but not as much as the full Tony Womack removal.

    That really set me back.

    Really funny. The womack removal was costly, but at least you could get a bundle deal with a Pavanoscopy.

  44. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    “So blake you’re advocating spending 15 million ( maybe more ) to S. Drew to play 3rd this season ???? Is he really 5 times ( maybe more ) better than Kelly Johnson ??”

    Is Ellsbury 5 times better than whoever woukd have played instead of him? That doesn’t matter…..you’re looking at buying wins…..Johnson isn’t going to be good defensively at 3b…..he’s gonna hit for a low avg and not get on base…..yea he will hit some homers but overall he’s not going to be great playing every day and honestly he will probably end up playing 2b or 1b as I’m pretty sure one of Roberts or Tex will get hurt

  45. kd February 20th, 2014 at 6:33 pm

    a healthy pineda and an effective nova make the rotation potentially great. i expect cc to bounce back, kuroda to be a little less that what he was has last year and tanaka to have a few growing pains.

    if tanaka pitches to a 3.5 era, the team could win the division

  46. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Again I think Drew adds 3 or so wins to this club…..is that worth 14 million for 2014? When you’ve spent as much as they have absolutely…..3 wins could easily be the difference in making the playoffs and not.

    As an ex SS I’m surprised you’re comfortable with this situation Pat M

  47. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Johnson is going yard at least 20 times this season Face !!!! So for the record Face, you want to throw at least 32 million at Stephen Drew ???? Really ….

  48. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    blake…I just don’t see the guy as a 2-3 year solution to the Yankees overall problems….He is not worth committing 32-45 million ( again maybe more ) to. I’m on the record for years here as a defense / pitching guy first. But the truth is I’d rather save that money for the trade deadline or see what they can do next winter to solve shortstop long range….I’m not endorsing Johnson as the answer at third but the truth is he’s not as bad as many fear he’ll be…..

  49. PhiltheThrill February 20th, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Drew is nothing much. And we shouldn’t be wasting anymore picks on marginal upgrades, especially when we intend to play them out of position most of their first year.

  50. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    Sherman said today that Drew wants 2 years….I don’t think it’ll take 40 million to sign him.

    At this point I’m thinking 2/25 with an opt out after year 1 might do it

  51. tomingeorgia February 20th, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    Unknown,
    I take baseball very seriously, I watch nearly every game live, but no, I don’t regard it as life and death. On the Drew situation, he’s a marginal ballplayer who’s after way too much money and time, plus that optout.

    That said, could the Yankees be stronger in the infield? Of course they could. Will they be? Beats the hell out of me!

    I don’t know your vintage. I don’t expect a WS victory every year, but maybe that’s because I’ve been watching too long, with a lot of years when they didn’t get within spitting distance. Maybe that explains my views, maybe it doesn’t. I’m ever hopeful, though!

  52. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    Kelly Johnson has played 3B like what 17 games or something in his career? I have a lot more faith in a SS with great defensive skills like Drew being able to adapt to the position than Kelly

  53. dan l February 20th, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    Blake stop all this stupidity…SG over at RLYW said Drew projects to be 10 to 15 runs better then what they have now so that’s ONE win! Now add lousy defense as a new position and there is likely NO improvement with DREW! He is not worth it!

  54. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    I’m not much of a War player value guy, I see it as a loose gauge on evaluating a player. That being said, I just looked up both Drew and Johnson and their numbers are dead even on many lines….Now, is Drew worth 5 times more dough ????? Of course not…

  55. Blojaldo February 20th, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Good grief Blake this is almost disruptive at this point. What’s this obsession with Drew? The Yankees are not signing him, why are you beating a dead horse?

  56. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    “Blake stop all this stupidity…SG over at RLYW said Drew projects to be 10 to 15 runs better then what they have now so that’s ONE win! Now add lousy defense as a new position and there is likely NO improvement with DREW! He is not worth it!”

    Yea cause that matters……

  57. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    Is Ellsbury worth 3x more than Granderson? That’s not how you look at this stuff…..

  58. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    Dan 1…I respect SG but he’s wrong because Kelly Johnson will hit more homers than Drew will….Signing Drew would be a panic move and a huge overpay. You’re going to play him more than Derek Jeter ????

  59. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    Blake-

    I believe Johnson has played 7-9 games at 3b.

    How anyone can judge what he will be based on that sort of amazes me.

    I have no idea how he will be at 3b based on that small of a sample.

  60. dan l February 20th, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    Blake give it a rest as everyone that comes to this blog is sick of reading about your obsession with Drew! Write about anything else but this…PLEASE!

  61. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    Blake what on earth are you talking about ??? Granderson isn’t getting 3 times less than Ellsbury this season or next or the next season…..Desperation my man…..Time to move on

  62. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    MLTR reported:

    Yankees outfielder Alfonso Soriano is considering retiring after the season, reports George A. King III of the New York Post. The 38-year-old said it will all come down to whether he feels healthy, but acknowledged the possibility that he could join teammate Derek Jeter in making this his last go-round. Soriano, who produced a .255/.302/.489 line with 34 home runs and 18 stolen bases in 626 plate appearances last year, will be playing out the final year of the eight-year, $136MM deal he signed with the Cubs back in November of 2006.
    ————
    Going to be fun watching the Alfonso Soriano victory tour…

  63. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

    dan l says:
    February 20, 2014 at 6:55 pm
    Blake give it a rest as everyone that comes to this blog is sick of reading about your obsession with Drew! Write about anything else but this…PLEASE!

    Don’t read it dan

  64. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    20 Hrs minimum for Kelly Johnson? Just going from 1 stadium to NYS doesn’t automatically make a player amazing. He has hit .185 .290 .278 .568 in NYS in his career.

    And of course by that same logic, Drew being a LHH means he will probably be at 18-20 HRs in NYS! With better defense, better AVG, and better OBP.

    And if Kelly Johnson is going to be SO GOOD, then fine. Have Drew replace Brian Roberts. KJ can go to 2B where he is more comfortable and Drew can play 3B and SS.

  65. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    Are home runs the only metric allowed to be used when evaluating Drew vs Brian Roberts/Kelly Johnson? Because Drew is a left handed hitter with some power…so he has just as much a shot at providing HRs as Kelly Johnson does. The flipside is he can hit for a higher avg and gets on base more.

  66. blake February 20th, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    “Blake what on earth are you talking about ??? Granderson isn’t getting 3 times less than Ellsbury this season or next or the next season…..Desperation my man…..Time to move on

    In total money he is….ok is Ellsbury 22 times better than Almonte of Heathcott? Again the numbers aren’t important as is the concept that you don’t really look at this stuff that way

  67. chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    womack removal was costly, but at least you could get a bundle deal with a Pavanoscopy.

    ———————-

    2 more payments to go on my (Kevin) Brownotomy

  68. blake February 20th, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    And again….even Id they sign drew….Johnson will still probably play a lot somewhere

  69. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Blake stop all this stupidity…SG over at RLYW said Drew projects to be 10 to 15 runs better then what they have now so that’s ONE win! Now add lousy defense as a new position and there is likely NO improvement with DREW! He is not worth it!

    Projections are nice but we can just look at last season. Drew was 3.4 WAR. Brian Roberts .9 and Kelly Johnson 1.2. I assume that CAIRO is projecting Drew more at the ~2 area and BR and KJ the .5 to 1 AREA. But if Drew plays like he did last year and KJ and BR do as well then he is a 2 win upgrade.

    And if you have KJ and Drew instead of KJ and BR its a huge swing.

    They need infield depth.

  70. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    2 more payments to go on my (Kevin) Brownotomy

    *****

    I hate to ask what the Javier Vazquez removal procedure/surgery is called

  71. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    I think Johnson will hit but I have no idea what kind of a defender he will be at 3b.

    And based on the extremely small sample of games he’s played there no one else should be able to predict with accuracy either.

    Just saying.

    ;)

  72. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    Yankees saw Diaz work out today.

    Maybe they’ll put a move on him ?

    ;)

  73. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Diaz can play 3b, SS, or 2b.

    He’s young and it sounds like he can hit.

    :)

  74. chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    I hate to ask what the Javier Vazquez removal procedure/surgery is called

    ————–

    In the US, its Javieralysis. But alternative treatments are available abroad

  75. UnKnown February 20th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    fair enough

  76. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    The Yankees are on the cusp of playoff potential so every marginal win they acquire is worth more to them. Thats why Tanaka was such a big get.

  77. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
    I hate to ask what the Javier Vazquez removal procedure/surgery is called

    ————–

    In the US, its Javieralysis. But alternative treatments are available abroad

    ****

    But is there really any procedure to remove the taint of ex-Braves pitchers who come over and suck: Karsay, Hammonds, and Wright. Is it even medically possible??

  78. blake February 20th, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Jerkface says:
    February 20, 2014 at 7:05 pm
    The Yankees are on the cusp of playoff potential so every marginal win they acquire is worth more to them. Thats why Tanaka was such a big get.

    Exactly

  79. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Screw the CAIRO Projection for 2014 Jerkface. Let’s look at last season and beyond……That’s a weak argument and that’s why many dislike the overuse of way too many stats…..Kelly Johnson is as good a hitter with more power than Drew and that’s the bottom line….Their stats are a match and the glove isn’t worth 13-14 million dollars more…..Capuano was a real nice signing by the BoSox…..

  80. dan l February 20th, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    Pat M….SG just wrote that in the comments…but even so one has to take in the fact the Drew moving off SS at this late date is not going to be a positive when it comes to fielding at 2nd or 3rd. Actually I think it’s easier for a second baseman to move to third then for a SS.

    I think Kelly Johnson is going to be just fine at third and Roberts finished last season healthy and playing very well so it seems silly to predict he’ll be injured when no one knows what will happen.

    I really like this team an all the infield depth they have, sure the depth isn’t proven but I am interested in seeing who steps up.

  81. bigdan22 February 20th, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    I think it’s pretty well documented everywhere the weaknesses in the Yankee roster as it currently stands. Apparently even Hal and Cashman acknowledge it. It would be preferable that additional discourse on this topic at least introduce an original thought rather than the current ad nauseam re-hashing of the same tired points.

    Me, I prefer to look forward. It’s a bit hard right now but that should all change once we start seeing box scores in about a week. Until then, other than the traditional spring notes provided by Chad (which I think we all appreciate), the Cuban issue is the most important piece of Yankee business in my opinion. Apparently there was a private workout for the Yanks today involving two Cubans, one being Diaz. I believe there are other prospects in the mix as well. Any info on that would be much appreciated.

  82. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    Capuano was a real nice signing by the BoSox…..

    *****

    His 46% GB rate sure was

  83. blake February 20th, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    Kelly Johnson isn’t as good a hitter as drew at all …

  84. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    Sadly, I am finding it difficult to come up with a good ST/lohud drinking game so far. Last year was inspired by the constant “Play Musty for me.”

  85. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    “I think Kelly Johnson is going to be just fine at third.”

    An you base this on him having played 7-9 to nine games at the position ?

    Or are you just being optimistic ?

    Because realistically I don’t see much that is factual to support that view.

    He may be worse than, equal to, or better than replacement level defensively but I wouldn’t venture a guess based on such a small sample.

    I hope he can handle it and that Roberts stays healthy.

    We’re gonna find out I guess.

    ;)

  86. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
    2 more payments to go on my (Kevin) Brownotomy

    *****

    I hate to ask what the Javier Vazquez removal procedure/surgery is called
    —————
    Vazectomy

  87. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    dan 1….I agree with you regarding a 2nd baseman settling in at third with a sense of comfort. I too think Johnson will be decent at 3rd and his stick is going to surprise many …..As for Roberts, well he’s a guy who had real good skills but man did he run into bad luck with the injuries….Maybe he gives a solid season one last time. Yanks pitching staff is what I have concerns about , not their lineups

  88. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Let’s look at last season and beyond

    ?? Last season Drew crushes Kelly Johnson. KJ has hit .220/.300/.400 the past 3 seasons. Thats probably what we’re going to get. No avg, no obp, some slugging. Drew hit .253 .333 .443 .777 last year.

  89. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:13 pm
    Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
    2 more payments to go on my (Kevin) Brownotomy

    *****

    I hate to ask what the Javier Vazquez removal procedure/surgery is called
    —————
    Vazectomy

    *****
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwslLBfFvJM

    remember to tip your waitresses

  90. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
    Sadly, I am finding it difficult to come up with a good ST/lohud drinking game so far. Last year was inspired by the constant “Play Musty for me.”
    ———-
    Each time Blake mentions Drew, everyone drinks. After 10, we each get lobotomies.

  91. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Bojo-

    :)

  92. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    remember to tip your waitresses

    The tip, or the whole thing?

  93. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    MTU….Drew has never played a game at third…I don’t think he even rotates to third during BP.

  94. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Give me career numbers Jerkface and tell everyone here how they match up with your Tell all stat WAR ????

  95. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    But Drew is a short stop, the most versatile infielder on the diamond.

  96. chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    But is there really any procedure to remove the taint of ex-Braves pitchers who come over and suck: Karsay, Hammonds, and Wright. Is it even medically possible??

    —————–

    Stones – medical science has no cure for the maladies you describe. I suggest a poultice of mashed pumpkins and jalapenos followed by a liberal application of leeches

  97. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Our next SS should come from this group:

    Tulo, Hanley, Asdrubal, Hardy, Reyes, Castro, Owings, Franklin.

    :)

  98. Blojaldo February 20th, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    Statistics/metrics are relied upon far too often to pass judgment on players. Past performance is not necessarily an indication of future performance, players have up and down years and there are too many factors that are not taken into account. Human factors, physical and mental that can change frequently.

  99. pkyankfan69 February 20th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    I mean would people rather them have to trade prospects and money to get Aramais Ramierez in July or something like that?
    —————–
    Come over to the dark side!!!

  100. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
    remember to tip your waitresses

    The tip, or the whole thing?

    *****
    want.to.reply.but.big.brother.chad.will.delete.counter.post.must.shutdown

  101. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Pat M.-

    I don’t want Drew either.

    I prefer we trade, or purchase next season.

  102. Blojaldo February 20th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    Statistical analysis is a valuable tool, as is in-person, eyes-on-the-player scouting. And, the instincts based upon experience of baseball pros.

  103. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
    But is there really any procedure to remove the taint of ex-Braves pitchers who come over and suck: Karsay, Hammonds, and Wright. Is it even medically possible??

    —————–

    Stones – medical science has no cure for the maladies you describe. I suggest a poultice of mashed pumpkins and jalapenos followed by a liberal application of leeches

    ******

    But I already tried that to get rid of the Esteban Loiaza stench – it didn’t work

  104. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    But he’s not playing short he’ll be rotating around the infield and will be getting paid in excess of 15 million to hit .250 and maybe hit 15 dingers…..Drew had a career year and clubs aren’t nor did they line-up for his services…..

  105. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    MTU…..That’s what I think the Yanks have in mind, and I hope so….

  106. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Here we go – here’s an answer to the IF chatter:

    Mariners Could Deal Infielder Before Opening Day

    By Steve Adams [February 20 at 5:58pm CST]

    Following the Mariners’ signing of Robinson Cano, many speculated that Nick Franklin or Brad Miller would be displaced by the move. Several teams reportedly had interest in Franklin at the time, but there hasn’t been too much chatter surrounding him in the two months since. That could change, as ESPNNewYork.com’s Adam Rubin hears from industry sources that Seattle is likely to move Franklin or Miller prior to Opening Day, with Franklin being the more likely candidate.

  107. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Most important procedures done by the Yankees in recent times were the Pavonectomy and the Igawatomy.

    Followed closely by the Burnett Flush procedure.

    ;)

  108. pkyankfan69 February 20th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    They should sign Drew for 2 years and trade for Aram mid season

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    C- McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    3B – Aram
    2B – Drew
    LF – Gardner

    B – Johnson – Cervelli – Ichiro – Ryan

    DL – Roberts

    Now that is a beastly line up

  109. chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    But Drew is a short stop, the most versatile infielder on the diamond.

    ————-

    The last time this topic came up, I was grilled to a crisp… I am adamant in my opinion, however, that success at SS doesn’t automatically equate to excellence at other infield positions.

  110. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    2013 was Drew’s 4th best year, how is that a career year? He basically just hit up to his talent level while staying healthy. You would need Kelly Johnson to have a career year for him to hit 20 HRs next year.

  111. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Pat M.-

    I hope so too. It is what I favor as I am thinking long term.

  112. Against All Odds February 20th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
    remember to tip your waitresses

    The tip, or the whole thing?

    ——

    Sounds like something Triple H said in an old DX promo

  113. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!

    Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!

    The dead rising from the grave!

    Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together!

    The Yanks and the Mariners connecting on another trade, this time Nick Franklin! Mass hysteria!

  114. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:27 pm

    want.to.reply.but.big.brother.chad.will.delete.counter.post.must.shutdown

    I know what you are thinking….

  115. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    The last time this topic came up, I was grilled to a crisp… I am adamant in my opinion, however, that success at SS doesn’t automatically equate to excellence at other infield positions.

    Any SS should be able to handle 2B or 3B. Why not? SS is the hardest infield position to play and the most demanding. If a player can play at a high level, like Drew can, at the position they should be able to handle 2B or 3B. Thats why SS’s in the minors move to 3B and 2B and not vice versa.

  116. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
    But Drew is a short stop, the most versatile infielder on the diamond.

    ————-

    The last time this topic came up, I was grilled to a crisp…

    Grilled chicken…hmmm hmmm good.

  117. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    He basically just hit up to his talent level while staying healthy.

    *****

    Let’s diagram this sentence. Does anyone see a problem with it in light of all of the “health” concerns with the infield???

  118. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Mr. Stoneburner-

    Nick Franklin is on my approved list.

    :)

  119. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    Drew is an injury risk, so is 3/4ths of the infield. The more the merrier at this point! And when we look at expected performance I think its more likely to get good performance from Drew than Brian Roberts.

  120. Blojaldo February 20th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    pkyankfan69 February 20th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
    They should sign Drew for 2 years and trade for Aram mid season
    _________________

    Boras and Drew want an opt out after one season.

  121. Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    Drew will be a major league starter for someone next year. Brian Roberts will probably be watching games from home by the all-star break. The Yankees need to be as deep as possible on the infield so getting Drew would be good. Or Diaz. I don’t care which.

    In any other situation I would not be advocating signing Drew, but the fact that Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts are our #1 3B and 2B right now is awful.

  122. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:30 pm
    Mr. Stoneburner-

    Nick Franklin is on my approved list.

    ****

    He is no Chris Owings – but at this point – I’d take him (insert now random lohud blogger who chimes in after me “Yeah, I’d take Franklin, and get them to throw Montero in as well)

  123. Pat M. February 20th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Stephen Drew just isn’t a good allocation of resources for the NY Yankees this season. He’s not even close to being a 15-16 million dollar a season ballplayer. And that’s the bottom line .

  124. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    Stones-

    Maybe the Yankees will grab the Cuban ?

    Also, I fully expect them to grab Dermis Garcia during the IFA signing period.

    There is a fairly long list of decent targets to fill SS or 3b between now and next year.

  125. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Diaz’s agent:

    Torres indicated that his client would focus his decision on maximizing dollars and opportunity. “We know he’s going to be in the major leagues,” said Torres. “It’s only a matter of time. His preference is shortstop, but he’s played second and third and I’m sure would be comfortable playing whatever position is necessary.”

    *****

    I mean what better “opportunity” than signing with the Yanks – his agent has to be telling him the Yanks have Brian Roberts aka Mr. Glass

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vdT0GbN3DM

  126. pkyankfan69 February 20th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Boras and Drew want an opt out after one season.
    ——–
    Fine with me… I’m concerned with this year.

  127. pete2 February 20th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    The 16 Reasons used to reject Drew.

    1. Injury worries. He is age 31 and has had one significant injury (ankle fracture from home plate collision) that last year shows he is recovered from

    2. He is too costly. Given nobody really knows what he is asking, hard to rebut this. Numbers thrown about like 15-16 million a year are just not based on any credible reports. However, he had a 3.4 WAR last year, and is projected for at least 2 WAR, so at market rate of 6 million per WAR anything in the 10-12 million AAV range is hardly a lot, nor is 2-3 years at his age

    3. He does not want to play out of position. Already agreed to do so.

    4. He can’t hit LHP’ers well. True, but RHP’ers pitch 70% of the time.

    5. Nobody else wants him, why should we?. Brilliant, lets wait until he signs with someone else to show someone wants him. Also, there is a whiff of collusion in the air, limited as it may be to non-elite free agents.

    6. He costs a draft pick. Only a 2nd rounder for the Yankees and for about 1/2 of of all other MLB teams at this point. All draft picks are not created equal. A 15+ 1st round pick is estimated at about 5 million in value. 2nd round much less.

    7. Yankees bench is good enough. It’s not, shame on you.

    8. Yankees can sign Diaz. They can do both. Also, Diaz is best suited for 2B and may need some minor league time so would not be able to help until the 2nd half, if even then.

    9. They can trade for someone better. Maybe, no guarantees though. Also, it will cost prospects or a valuable commodity like Nova or Gardner which will create holes elsewhere.

    10. There are better free agents available next year. Not for certain. Hanley for example may not be available if he extends, and no guarantee Yankees can afford him with Arods deal back on the books. Drew is at least as good if not better than JJ Hardy (low OBP) who also may be extended, Lowrie ( poor defense, injury prone) and Cabrera (inconsistent and declining
    )

    11. Arods contract is coming back on the books next year, so they can’t afford him on anything more than a 1 yr deal. Drew would have significant trade value if they needed to unload salary, and could land a prospect or MLB player to boot.

    12. The Yankees have spent 500 million already and are out of money. They are flush with cash from the Fox deal, and their 2014 payroll (salary+tax+posting fee) is 30 million less than last year.

    13. The Yankees are not going to sign him, because they haven’t yet. Until Drew signs elsewhere, we don’t know this for sure.

    14. Drew won’t help much anyways. This claim is limited to 2014 since Jeter won’t be here in 2015. Some analysis state 10-15 runs improvement in 2014, which is about 1- 1..5 wins. However, such analysis are not exact measures and have large error bands. Drew could be worth as much as 3 wins or more, if you consider the impact on other positions in certain situations (eg Roberts or Tex is hurt or does not perform satisfactorily and being able to have Johnson at 2B or 1B), and in the event of a worst case with Jeter, or he could be worth 0 (at least in 2014). And even if only 1- 1.5 Wins, who can say this won’t be the deciding wins for a playoff spot. If you consider that 1.5 wins gets you in the playoffs, its worth far more than 6 million per win.

    15. Talking about Drew is a distraction and besides, I just don’t want him because I just don’t, so stop it already. The Drew talk is simply a response to the reality that the IF, which includes starters, bench and minor league depth is not likely to be championship quality. Perhaps there is a better alternative, but I have yet to hear it.

    16. Drews season last year was only good because of Fenway. Its true he had significant H-A splits, which is subject to wild seasonal variance due to SSS. However, this was almost entirely due to his 1st half performance on the road which was very poor. Drew had a much better performance in the 2nd half, and his H-A splits in the 2nd half were comparable. I suspect his first half was affected by the concussion in ST where he was beaned. His hit charts show his FB power is to RF-CF, and he is better suited to YS3 than Fenway.

  128. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Pete-

    Nice PhD dissertation.

    :)

  129. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
    Stones-

    Maybe the Yankees will grab the Cuban ?

    Also, I fully expect them to grab Dermis Garcia during the IFA signing period.

    There is a fairly long list of decent targets to fill SS or 3b between now and next year.

    *******

    No doubt. What if the Yanks go H2D on us: Headley, Hardy, and Diaz going into 2015

  130. MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    El Bueno Nuevo Hilo ——–>

  131. Revenge of Stoneburner February 20th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Attention – Attention – Attention

    the lohud has created a new post for everyone

  132. Blojaldo February 20th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Jerkface February 20th, 2014 at 7:32 pm
    Drew will be a major league starter for someone next year. Brian Roberts will probably be watching games from home by the all-star break. The Yankees need to be as deep as possible on the infield so getting Drew would be good. Or Diaz. I don’t care which. In any other situation I would not be advocating signing Drew, but the fact that Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts are our #1 3B and 2B right now is awful.
    _____________________

    The problem with the above is that it is based on pure speculation. You don’t know Roberts will be watching from home by the All-Star break. You don’t know that Diaz is a major league capable ballplayer. You don’t know that Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts are going to be awful.

    The Yankees management and player personnel pros know exactly what they have and don’t have and they know far more than you or any of us here know. They have spent almost a half billion dollars and feel they are going to field a competitive team that can contend for a world series title. They have a plan and I am sure a backup one should Roberts or anyone for that matter get hurt. Healthy players go down all the time; you can’t predict it.

  133. chicken_stanley February 20th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    JF- don’t want to really rehash the argument… the short version:: SS are generally the best infielders, no question. Skill sets are slightly different for each infield position… totally different footwork required at 2b and (in my opinion) a different mindset required at 3b… additionally, some players have a difficult time picking up the ball well when moving from one side of 2nd base to the other…. A great SS can be a great 2b or 3b but its not a given. They could also be just adequate – nothing is guaranteed

  134. blake February 20th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    16 reasons to reject Drew? I only need 1 why they should sign him. He’s better than what they have.

    I’m dropping the subject though…..one condition….no complaining about the infield this year when it’s costing them ball games ok?

  135. pete2 February 20th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    MTU February 20th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    “Pete-

    Nice PhD dissertation.

    :)

    Mr Boras pays me by the word.

  136. dan l February 20th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Pat M…my only concern with the pitching staff is a second quality lefty reliever. I think the starters may give 95 quality starts. I am not a fan of Girardi but he does find and fix issues from the previous season going forward. Last year thhe pitching staff after the first inning had over an .800 ops against when it comes to the first batter of the inning…I expect that to change this year.

  137. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Everybody take a drink

  138. pete2 February 20th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    “blake February 20th, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    16 reasons to reject Drew? I only need 1 why they should sign him. He’s better than what they have.”

    Well, everyone has their own reason but those are the most frequent reasons given to reject Drew, none of them any good. Thought it a good idea to have them all in one place.

  139. BoJo February 20th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    pete2 February 20th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Thought it a good idea to have them all in one place.
    =============
    You forgot one.

    I don;t want a guy who is so over the hill that even his name is in the past tense.

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