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Monday morning notes: Tanaka impresses again in live BP

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Masahiro Tanaka

Quiet day in Yankees camp, except that Masahiro Tanaka was on a mound throwing to hitters. Even on a slow and quiet day, Tanaka’s enough to provide instant buzz at Steinbrenner Field.

“He threw everything,” Francisco Cervelli said. “The other day I just caught splits, sliders and fastballs. Today was everything (including) curveballs, and I tried to pitch a little like a simulation game. It’s great. It’s great. I was trying everything because I don’t know him. The more I catch, the more I know. He’s able to do so many things. … I was trying both sides of the plate with every pitch. He’s able to throw every pitch in every count, so I think it’s going to be fun and really good.”

Cervelli’s caught Tanaka quite a bit down here — this was at least his third time counting bullpens — so he probably has the best sense of what Tanaka’s been able to do this spring (among the players, anyway). Today, though, three relatively new hitters faced Tanaka for the first time.

Scott Sizemore: “For me just missing time and not seeing live pitching for a while, you’re obviously just kind of trying to see the pitches well and pick it up out of the hand. But even some of the curveballs that he threw me that I saw well were so sharp that it still kind of fools you and you can’t pull the trigger on it. I was definitely impressed, one with his command, and two with his stuff.”

Dean Anna: “A lot of pitches, a lot of movement and really deceiving. … I’ve seen a lot of (different types of pitches from him). I don’t know which ones sometimes, but his splitter is really dirty. His curveball’s really good. His fastball gets on you. It’s definitely tough to face him for sure, with all his pitches and how good they are.”

Zealous Wheeler: “I saw one splitter, but the splitter was really nasty. Very nasty. If he throws it like today, he’s going to be successful. That was the one I swung and missed on. It’s a good pitch. … (Tanaka and Hiroki Kuroda) have got the slow delivery, take a while to get to the plate and the ball jumps off. But you know, they’ve got very good stuff. Fastball, slider, everything that pitchers need to get outs.”

Andrew Bailey· Andrew Bailey arrived in Yankees camp today. He’s playing catch already and stretched out to roughly 120 feet, but he’s not particularly close to throwing bullpens. “Taking time when I need to, accelerate when I can,” Bailey said. “There’s really no timetable for this kind of thing. The prototypical response is that it’s a 12-month rehab, and I’m seven months out. You can take that and run with it.” Bailey actually sounds encouraged. Said he “100 percent” expects to be pitching in New York by the end of the season.

· Bailey’s minor league contract includes an option for 2015, and Bailey said he’s basically hoping this becomes a two-year deal. “I go out and be myself, and hopefully be a Yankee for at least two years, and who knows what happens after that,” he said. “First things first, I’ve got to get back out there, and that’s what I’m focused on right now.”

· Tanaka and Kuroda have similar deliveries and they each lean on a good split-finger as a go-to offspeed pitch. Cervelli said the difference between the two splits is when they begin to move. Tanaka’s moves more and starts the movement early. Kuroda’s moves less, but it break late. “(Tanaka’s) starts like in the middle between home plate and the mound,” Cervelli said. “Kuroda is like late, goes down.”

· Manny Banuelos threw a side this morning. Nardi Contreras, one of the Yankees long-time pitching instructors, said Banuelos is showing the same arm strength and mechanics that he had before Tommy John surgery. “Very, very good,” Contreras said. Sounds like the fastball and changeup have been especially impressive so far.

· First time I’ve actually seen Alfonso Soriano in Yankees camp. He said he’s starting feel better. Sounds like he could be able to work out tomorrow. Soriano’s been basically shut down because of a flu bug.

· Tyler Austin’s sore right wrist will be reevaluated tomorrow. He seems optimistic, but said he’s planning to just follow whatever advice he gets from the trainers. Hard for him to have a real plan right now without having some sort of answer from the medical staff.

· Dave Robertson, Matt Thornton and Shawn Kelley are each scheduled to do early work tomorrow. Seems to be a safe bet that none of those three will pitch in tomorrow’s game against Florida State.

· Early batting practice:
Group 1
Facing Mason Williams, Eduardo Nunez and Jacoby Ellsbury
Adam Warren (to Gary Sanchez)
Jim Miller (to Pete O’Brien)
Preston Claiborne (to John Ryan Murphy)
Cesar Cabral (to Francisco Arcia)
Chris Leroux (to Jose Gil)
Group 2
Facing Dean Anna, Zealous Wheeler and Scott Sizemore
CC Sabathia (to Brian McCann)
Hiroki Kuroda (to Austin Romine)
Masahiro Tanaka (to Francisco Cervelli)

· Early bullpens:
David Phelps (to Sanchez)
Jose Campos (to O’Brien)
David Herndon (to Roman Rodriguez)
Manny Banuelos (to Murphy)
Mark Montgomery (to Romine)
Matt Daley (to Arcia)

· No full-squad workout today. A few guys came in early to take batting practice on their own, but there’s nothing on the field the rest of the day. The Yankees are in a union meeting right now, and they’re going for a team outing — I believe it’s a pool tournament — this afternoon.

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225 Responses to “Monday morning notes: Tanaka impresses again in live BP”

  1. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    grumble grumble – Nardi Contreras at Yankee camp. I would rather Jose Contreras was there.

  2. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 10:44 am
    nunez’s ops+ for 2011 and 2013 are both higher than sizemore’s highest. only by a point or two, but still higher. there is no evidence that sizemore was every significantly better than nunez
    ====================
    How’s Sizemore on catching the ball and throwing the ball ?

  3. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 10:49 am
    How’s Sizemore on catching the ball and throwing the ball ?
    ——
    he hasn’t played in 2 years, what’s your take?
    ======================================

    I’m guessing Nunnie’s not providing too high of a bar to compare with.

  4. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    I see Sizemore being either outright release or playing AAA to catch up on some lost time. I see Nunez platooning with Kelly at 3b and getting sometimes at 2b as well. What he does defensively in those games will seal his fate. I think yanks will give him about 50 games or so and then make a determination.

  5. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    BAsically I don’t think the Yankees seeing a player and passing on them means much when it comes to Yankee FO Competence. They saw Darvish for years and passed on him. If an organization like the STL Cardinals ends up signing Diaz I wanna know what they saw that the Yankees missed, or if the Yankees saw something they missed. And to be honest given their track records I’d bet on the Cardinals in that situation.

    Diaz isn’t a high profile guy so maybe in the end it just doesn’t matter, but infield still looks dire.

  6. sjb23 February 24th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    repost:

    sjb23 February 24th, 2014 at 10:56 am
    Just thinking this for the first time – if Sizemore is 1) healthy, and 2)can learn and backup 1B, he makes himself more valuable than Nunez, don’t you think?

    Should the competition be between Sizemore and Canzler?

    Starting to think the Yanks may be depending on Kelly Johnson to fill too many holes, without any other backup plans in place.

  7. DONNYBROOK February 24th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Somebody let me know when a bona fide MLB hitter comments on the stuff Tanaka has or has not. That would be of merit and portend the future.

  8. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Starting to think the Yanks may be depending on Kelly Johnson to fill too many holes, without any other backup plans in place.

    There is a very real possibility that at some point this season Kelly Johnson will be #1 on the depth chart at 3 infield positions…

  9. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Starting to think the Yanks may be depending on Kelly Johnson to fill too many holes, without any other backup plans in place.

    There is a very real possibility that at some point this season Kelly Johnson will be #1 on the depth chart at 3 infield positions…
    ———————-

    I still believe that the Yankees will end up trading for Aramis Ramirez which would put Johnson back to the role of super-utility player.

  10. pkyankfan69 February 24th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Interesting that 2 of the 3 guys who were asked about facing Tanaka today mentioned the curve as being a strong pitch for him… Most scouting reports seemed to think that was Tanaka’s weakest pitch.

    Can’t wait to see that split make guys look silly this year.

  11. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    seems like sizemore had some similarity to nunez’s beginnings in the field with detroit:
    from sb nation reviewing his first season’

    “Sizemore struggled to start his MLB career. He made memorably bad plays in the field, including a lapse of concentration when the game suddenly sped up on him that resulted in a walk-off victory. ”

    his defense was rated as below average that season.

  12. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    our good friend Peter Gammons:

    “…One club official who watched Cuban infielder Aledmys Diaz’s last workout told Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com that Diaz profiles as a utility infielder and may struggle at shortstop in the Majors…”

  13. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    “I still believe that the Yankees will end up trading for Aramis Ramirez which would put Johnson back to the role of super-utility player.”
    ===================
    if you add aramis then johnson becomes the starting second baseman, not a util.

  14. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Interesting that 2 of the 3 guys who were asked about facing Tanaka today mentioned the curve as being a strong pitch for him… Most scouting reports seemed to think that was Tanaka’s weakest pitch.

    I’d say it has more to do with the quality of the players seeing it than the pitch itself. Japanese pitchers are required to be able to throw like every pitch possible for strikes regardless of quality, so even if they don’t use a curve they still have one because a japanese catcher may call for it. Tanaka’s curve is far down on the depth chart, it didn’t look like a very strong major league pitch. It certainly comes after all his fastballs, splitter, and slider.

    Though maybe it ends up like Darvish where he had a curve that wasnt rated very highly but it was good enough to catch guys off guard in the majors. So like not an every count kind of pitch like his slider or fastball or split, but something that will be better than a phil hughes curve :)

  15. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    ML season is a month away, a lot can happen in terms of injuries to this highly volatile Yankee infield. my guess is if Nunez doesn’t hurt himself in the meantime, he will serve in UT and platoon capacity with KJ.

  16. pkyankfan69 February 24th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    our good friend Peter Gammons:

    “…One club official who watched Cuban infielder Aledmys Diaz’s last workout told Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com that Diaz profiles as a utility infielder and may struggle at shortstop in the Majors…
    ————-
    If the Sox come out of nowhere and sign him this will read…

    “One club official who watched Cuban infielder Aledmys Diaz’s last workout told Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com that Diaz profiles as a perennial All Star and may struggle to not completely dominate the sport of baseball at shortstop.”

  17. blake February 24th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    There is a very real possibility that at some point this season Kelly Johnson will be #1 on the depth chart at 3 infield positions…”

    While he’s playing 3B!

  18. pkyankfan69 February 24th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Assuming the Brewers stink this year I fully expect Aram to be ours by the TD if he is healthy… Whoever is playing best at the time gets 2B Johnson/Roberts/Sizemore/Anna/etc… One more righty power bat, who also hits for a high AVG and OBP would be a huge boost to this line up

  19. sjb23 February 24th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    I really liked the comment Gardner made about money – that the extra money he could have made as a free agent wasn’t going to change the way he lives his life. He seems to think it was more important to remain in New York. Sure wish Cano thought that way.

    Also, I like the idea that beginning in 2015, Ellsbury and Gardner will probably hit 1-2 in the lineup. Offensively, I think the plan for this team is to slowly change from a one-dimensional all-or-nothing power-hitting club to one that is built on speed and situational hitting. What a concept.

  20. blake February 24th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Drew> Aramis.

    1) he’s only money
    2) he’s can play SS
    3) better defense
    4) he can be had now and the games in April, May , and June count too

  21. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    One club official who watched Cuban infielder Aledmys Diaz’s last workout told Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com that Diaz profiles as a utility infielder and may struggle at shortstop in the Majors…”
    ——
    I get the sense that Diaz has limited range but a strong arm. Diaz doesn’t have to play SS, my guess is that he be no worse than Nixey at SS and probably won’t kill you at 2b or 3b (see Daniel Murphy of the Mets ) I would imaging his value lies within the projectibility of bat as a 23 year old. what’s the scouting report on his bat?

  22. sjb23 February 24th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    blake February 24th, 2014 at 11:14 am
    There is a very real possibility that at some point this season Kelly Johnson will be #1 on the depth chart at 3 infield positions…”

    While he’s playing 3B!
    ********************************
    I’ve been waking up in a cold sweat because of this thought. I can’t imagine Cashman not addressing this before the start of the season.

  23. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    unless you are a Tony philips, the only difference between UT and Regular is that they don’t hit consistently to be a regular.

  24. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    I can’t imagine Cashman not addressing this before the start of the season.
    ——
    I can, because he and Joe have already laid out a plan of Nunez and KJ. Nunez will be given a window to prove himself.

  25. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Diaz’s bat supposedly has some potential, and he has a bit of power. Cuban scouting reports are not great and the league isn’t that good, but Diaz profiles to hit more than Iglesias or Arrubarruena did and as a guy that might be a major league hitter.

  26. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 11:21 am
    Diaz’s bat supposedly has some potential, and he has a bit of power. Cuban scouting reports are not great and the league isn’t that good, but Diaz profiles to hit more than Iglesias or Arrubarruena did and as a guy that might be a major league hitter.
    ————————————————–

    “… Diaz profiles to hit more than Iglesias or Arrubarruena did and as a guy that might be a major league hitter…”

    If we’re passing on this guy – what MiLB 2B do we have that’s similar age & bat ?

    I’m thinking ‘not’.

    Dino Anna as BU2B ?

    Ryan as BUSS.

  27. pkyankfan69 February 24th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Drew> Aramis.
    ————
    If it were up to me I’d take both… Sign Drew to 2 years – $24M with an opt out after this year and trade for Aram before the TD… What’s the payroll at now, $205M?… Add $12M for Drew and somewhere around $8-$10M for Aram and we’re still around last years budget without adding anymore long term money (and it’s lvery likely Aram won’t command a lot in terms of prospects.) It’s Jeter’s last year, make sure he has the best chance possible to go out on top.

    CF – Ellsbury
    SS – Jeter
    RF – Beltran
    C – McCann
    DH – Soriano
    1B – Tex
    3B – Aram
    2B – Drew
    LF – Gardner

    B – Cervelli – Johnson – Ryan – Ichiro

    Now that looks like a circular Yankee line up

  28. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Jerk, I think it’s quite possible scouts don’t know how his bat will play in ML themselves.

  29. MTU February 24th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Diaz certainly would fill a need.

    So the Yankees must feel that he lacks something important for the amount of money involved.

    I’ll be curious to see who signs him and for how much.

  30. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Dino Anna:

    Gotta be decent.
    Hopefully not a AAAA.

    Couldnt get past:

    Headley or Gyorko last year at San Diego.

    Sometimes – there’s simply no room to advance.

    Had great AAA #’s !

  31. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    How much would Diaz likely be paid ?

    How much is Anna being paid ?

    Any difference ?

  32. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Is that a real question? Because of course there would be a difference.

  33. MTU February 24th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Slow day around the water cooler today.

    :)

  34. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    blake February 24th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Drew> Aramis.

    1) he’s only money
    2) he’s can play SS
    3) better defense
    4) he can be had now and the games in April, May , and June count too
    —————————

    All of which are true. However:

    1) I don’t think that the player the Yankees would have to give up for Ramirez would be anything significant – probably even less significant than what the Yankees could draft with the 3rd round pick that Drew would cost them.
    2) Ramirez provides RH power which the Yankees could use in their lineup
    3) Ramirez doesn’t require a long-term commitment
    4) Drew has said he may sit out until June if he doesn’t believe that the contract offer he gets represents his value.

  35. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Dino Anna:

    Gotta be decent.
    Hopefully not a AAAA.

    Couldnt get past:

    Headley or Gyorko last year at San Diego.

    Sometimes – there’s simply no room to advance.

    Had great AAA #’s !

    ================================

    If you’re in AAA in your age 26 season, it’s probably not because you’ve been blocked.

  36. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    the drew thing is a real head scratcher at this point. im not hot for him, but i wouldn’t mind offering him something nice for one year or a one year plus a club option that vests with appearances for the second year. you’d think by now boras would be open to something like that.

    there is no way id offer him 2 years guaranteed unless it’s cheap and 3 years is a non starter, and if boras says ‘opt’ on the phone, the line goes dead before he gets the word ‘out’ out of his mouth…

  37. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Gotta be someone here that’s going to be blocked for a long time :

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2014/

  38. UpState February 24th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Being blocked by Headley and/or Gyorko seems reasonable.

    Anna seems alot better than our MiLB ‘prospects’ !!!

  39. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    im guessing drew/boras are employing vodoo dolls on every ML shortstop by now…

  40. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Anna seems alot better than our MiLB ‘prospects’ !!!

    Our prospects don’t hit in the leagues the NL west teams play in, which are pretty much all insane hitters leagues. His numbers were good, so he has to have some talent, but can’t read too much into it because they were put up in the NW league, Cali league, PCL and texas league.

  41. GregD February 24th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    RhapsodyInBlue February 24th, 2014 at 8:24 am
    GregD

    Sorry about the loss of your Mom, I lost my Mom and stepfather these past few years was very close to both not a pleasant experience for any family. Not one day passes that they are not in my thoughts.

    ———————
    thanks RIB…. I’ve lost both Dad and Mom in the past 9 months…it has been tough but they’re together again….

  42. hardwired7 February 24th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    The more I think about how Gardner has responded to the Yankees’ signing of Ellsbury, the more impressed I am with him as a person.

    He’s been moved out of the leadoff spot as well as CF on the most famous team on the planet, and he responds by acknowledging that the move makes the team better. No grudge, no secret desire to bolt to another team and show the Yanks what they’re missing.

    How many other players would have responded the way Brett did?

    Some players say, “I’ll do whatever it takes to make the team better.” Brett actually means it.

  43. MTU February 24th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    HW-

    That’s what happens when you are humble and grounded, and w/o a sense of entitlement.

  44. blake February 24th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Ys Guy says:
    February 24, 2014 at 11:47 am
    im guessing drew/boras are employing vodoo dolls on every ML shortstop by now…

    Don’t worry….Roberts will get hurt bout the 2nd week of ST then Boras will have the yanks right where he wants them

  45. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Being blocked by Headley and/or Gyorko seems reasonable.

    =====================================

    The Padres haven’t exactly been the ’27 Yankees. If they believed his bat could play well at the MLB level, he’d have gotten the call. He played 4 positions in the minors. 2b, SS, 3b, and LF. Last year Headley missed 20+ games, Gyorko missed 40, Everth Cabrera was suspended at the all star break and Carlos Quinten missed half a season. Yet Dean Anna never got the call to replace any of the nearly 1000 PA’s left on the table at those 4 positions. Might be that the Padres are painfully stupid, but it’s more likely he just not an MLB level player.

  46. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    The more I think about how Gardner has responded to the Yankees’ signing of Ellsbury, the more impressed I am with him as a person.

    ========================

    Yep. No doubt he’s a solid citizen and a good teammate. Good move by the team and the player deserved it.

  47. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    My guess is that Anna’s upside is as a utility player – which isn’t a bad thing.

    Being a utility player requires a very specific skill set that not everyone else has. You have to be able to sit for days at a time, yet still be productive when you’re called upon to play. That’s very hard to do when you’re used to being an everyday player at every level you’ve ever played at and the ability to do it and do it well is what can separate a useful MLB back-up from a AAAA player.

    It’s what made guys like Randy Velarde, Luis Sojo and Enrique Wilson so valuable and why guys who put up huge numbers in the minors, Andy Phillips, Brandon Laird, Josh Phelps, Shelley Duncan, couldn’t stick.

    It’s why, in retrospect, given their needs, the Yankees would have been better off keeping Ramiro Pena who had that ability over Eduardo Nunez who hasn’t shown it.

    It’s why Girardi’s insistence on playing Chris Stewart – who had made a career out of being a backup – over Austin Romine – a kid used to playing every day – made no sense and ended up hurting the productivity of both players.

  48. austinmac February 24th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Sizemore’s comment about his health made me doubt he is going to be game ready. I think he will start the year at AAA.

    I know nothing but stats about Anna, but 27 year old rookies always present a reason for not being promoted earlier.

    We need another infielder who is not worse than replacement level.

  49. hardwired7 February 24th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    For sure, MTU. Brett is one solid dude.

    I’m sure during Jeter’s presser when he was talking about what it meant to play his entire career for the Yankees, Gardner was thinking, “I want that to be me.”

  50. sjb23 February 24th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    hardwired7 February 24th, 2014 at 11:54 am
    The more I think about how Gardner has responded to the Yankees’ signing of Ellsbury, the more impressed I am with him as a person.
    *************************************
    I also have a new-found respect for Gardner. He’s also stated he’ll play RF if Girardi thinks it’s better to have Soriano in LF. He also made a comment yesterday about how getting less money to stay in NY wasn’t going to change the way he lives. Too bad Cano doesn’t think this way.

  51. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Slade Heathcott, Jorge Campos, Adam Warren and Eduardo Nunez to the Mariners for Ackley and Franklin?

  52. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Gardner should play RF in Fenway atleast

  53. Howler February 24th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Listening to that audio, after reading the headline it really is a sorry state that passes for the media these days…I guess that’s what’s considered “Blowing Up,” in the age of Zoloft.

  54. Howler February 24th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    You’re overestimating the worth of Ackley and Franklin

  55. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Slade Heathcott, Jorge Campos, Adam Warren and Eduardo Nunez to the Mariners for Ackley and Franklin?

    ====================================

    Get the sense the M’s are feeling pretty good about Ackley and his response to being demoted last season. He killed it for a month in the minors then came back to post .304/.374/.435 in the 2nd half upon his return to the bigs. They’re not going to move him unless absolutely wowed, IMO.

  56. Blojaldo February 24th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 10:57 am
    BAsically I don’t think the Yankees seeing a player and passing on them means much when it comes to Yankee FO Competence. They saw Darvish for years and passed on him. If an organization like the STL Cardinals ends up signing Diaz I wanna know what they saw that the Yankees missed, or if the Yankees saw something they missed. And to be honest given their track records I’d bet on the Cardinals in that situation. Diaz isn’t a high profile guy so maybe in the end it just doesn’t matter, but infield still looks dire.
    ___________________

    I’ll bet on the Yankees. The have very competent people, why would the best organization in all of sports not hire good people if not the best? It defies credulity. All teams make mistakes. Cano, Gardner and Nova were not mistakes. They know their roster, minor personnel, finances and short and long-term plans best. The Cardinals see things from their perspective.

  57. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Slade Heathcott, Jorge Campos, Adam Warren and Eduardo Nunez to the Mariners for Ackley and Franklin?

    ====================================

    Get the sense the M’s are feeling pretty good about Ackley and his response to being demoted last season. He killed it for a month in the minors then came back to post .304/.374/.435 in the 2nd half upon his return to the bigs. They’re not going to move him unless absolutely wowed, IMO.
    ———————–

    Except he has no position any more.

    If you’re to believe McClendon’s comments then Smoak is at 1b which means that Hart or LoMo will have to be in the OF. Saunders is in CF and Abe Almonte is a good bet to be in the other corner since he can offer more defensively and is a better leadoff candidate than any other player they have. And the M’s have some other guy at 2b.

  58. Blojaldo February 24th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    At least initially, it sounds as if Tanaka’s curveball “may” be better than was advertised.

  59. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Gardner should play RF in Fenway atleast

    =================================

    They should, but I suspect they won’t. Don’t know why, but teams don’t seem to adjust defensive lineups based on park much if at all. Why, for example, wouldn’t the Red Sox have Victorino play LF in Yankee Stadium last season? I’m not aware of any teams who do that.

  60. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Chip, I doubt the Ms would sonsider that. as usual, I like what you have in return for the Yanks.

  61. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Chip:

    Ackley is their left fielder. Already been announced.

  62. sjb23 February 24th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    Slade Heathcott, Jorge Campos, Adam Warren and Eduardo Nunez to the Mariners for Ackley and Franklin?
    *******************************
    How about Phelps, Nunez, Romine and Ichiro for Franklin and Montero? Stick Montero in Scranton and have him get his head on straight and learn how to play 1B, then have him backup Teixeira in July. The Mariners can use Phelps as their #5 starter, Ichiro gives them OF depth in case Corey Hart can’t play RF everyday because of his health. Nunez replaces Franklin as utility infielder. Romine is good back up in 2015 to replace Buck (age 35?) and may earn spot as a starting catcher. Franklin becomes a very good backup for Roberts, and Kelly Johnson gets to concentrate only on 3B.

  63. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    McClendon has basically said Saunders is going to the bench, which is really funny.

  64. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    I was at the Casino this weekend- was at a table with 5 yankees fans. Let me tell you, there is a lot hate for Cano right now.

  65. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    McClendon has basically said Saunders is going to the bench, which is really funny.
    ——————–

    Proof again as to why McClendon has never had a winning season as a manager. He’s clueless.

  66. Hankflorida February 24th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    If Ellsbury has the potential to repeat his performance in 2011 when he showed power numbers of 32 home runs, he should be batting third with Gardener leading off. As I said before, Damon had hit 10 home runs for Boston the year before he came to the Yankees, and he more then doubled his output when he played most of his games at the Stadium. Similar to Ellsbury, Damon had some years where he showed he could hit the long ball. Ellsbury role is not to be another Mickey Rivers as that is Gardener’s role. Cashman must see Ellsbury as a player who is going to duplicate Cano’s power output as Ellsbury is being paid twice the amount for a years work as Gardener is.

  67. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    McClendon has basically said Saunders is going to the bench, which is really funny.

    ==================================

    Didn’t see that he said that. That would be nuts. My understanding right now for the M’s is C:Zunino, 1B Smoak, 2B Cano, 3b Seager, SS Miller, LF Ackley, CF Saunders, RF/DH Lomo/Hart

  68. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Cashman must see Ellsbury as a player who is going to duplicate Cano’s power output

    ================================

    If he does, he’s an idiot.

  69. Jerkface February 24th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    As I said before, Damon had hit 10 home runs for Boston the year before he came to the Yankees, and he more then doubled his output when he played most of his games at the Stadium.

    Can’t just look at the previous year. Damon had much more power, or at the very least an approach that led to more power in his career prior to coming to NYY. He hit 18 and 16 in KCR. 14 and 20 in Boston. ellsbury has had 1 amazing power season, the rest are all single digit seasons because he is primarily opposite field line drive groundball hitter.

  70. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Ells got the money in an inflated FA market, where demand exceeded supply. I would imaging that Cashman is hoping Ells rediscover his homerun stroke at YS along with a package of top D, absolute stolen threat and average.

  71. bbb51 February 24th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    I don’t know if Ellsbury can hit 32 again, but I think 20 is possible.

  72. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    *stolen base.

  73. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    With it sounding like Diaz is off the radar – my new target is: Danny Valencia.

    Can back up at both corners
    Crushes LHP
    Did well in a part time role with the O’s last year
    He’s with the Royals right now but is out of options and may be squeezed out of a roster spot.

  74. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Sweeny Murti with the clueless statement of the day answering a question about how Girardi will find time in the OF for Ichiro

    “Well, you figure Girardi might give Gardner or Ellsbury a day off with a LHP on the mound.”

  75. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    With it sounding like Diaz is off the radar – my new target is: Danny Valencia

    ===============================

    This one makes some sense.

  76. blake February 24th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Drew makes the most sense

  77. Blojaldo February 24th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    I like Gardner hitting 9th in front of Ellsbury. After the lineup turns over, most often by the second inning, that will be a nice speed, high OBP combo making things happen. Except for the back-to-back lefty thing. Meh.

  78. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Drew makes the most sense

    ========================

    Probably. Don’t think he’d have a significant impact on this year’s team as he’d represent only a small upgrade over Johnson and Roberts (assuming good health for all), but beyond this year, he’d likely be a solid regular at SS.

  79. RadioKev February 24th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    I think it is possible that the Cardinals and the Yankees see the same skill set in Diaz, but the Cardinals think they can make more out of him. They’ve got the magic bio-mechanical touch, right?

  80. clarko February 24th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    I imagine there is a big difference in the way Cano and Gardner see the world. People who come from places like India, the D.R., Haiti, etc know what penury is, what it means. What $5 means, what a million buck$ can do in a poor environment. Maybe Cano wasn’t personally greedy, maybe he made a personal sacrifice to get the money so he can help some of his people have a better life. An argument could be made that he would have betrayed his origins if he left so much money on the table for the personal glory of a plaque at NYS. Maybe a plaque in a day care center in his home town or 500 day care centers is worth more to him.

  81. tomingeorgia February 24th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    I love the notion that Cano left for altruistic reasons, only to help his countrymen

  82. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    I love the notion that Cano left for altruistic reasons, only to help his countrymen

    =================================

    LOL. Of course, it’s not much more ridiculous than “He should have left $40M on the table so he could have a plaque at Yankee Stadium”.

  83. Howler February 24th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Yes…let’s give him the Humanitarian of the Year award…the notion he couldn’t have done that with the Yankee money is a bit over the top, as well as being able to make the same money or better in the final three years of that contract had he kept himself in shape. More money and opportunities in that light would’ve been available to him in his future had he stayed with the Yankees.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I guess I don’t get the hate for Robby for a few reasons. The overriding one for me – at it’s one of which I am convinced, though I’m sure there are others who probably don’t agree with this – is that I truly believe Robby was a lamb led to the slaughter by advisors who were more interested in their own agendas than in his. If I truly believed that Cano was just a mercenary player who felt no allegiance to his former team, something that is his right also, I’m not quite sure how I would feel. I know that it would be at least neutrality, rather than wishing him well no matter where he went. My loyalty is to the interlocking NY, first and foremost.

  85. tomingeorgia February 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Perfectly rational decision on Cano’s part.

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  87. Against All Odds February 24th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    I was at the Casino this weekend- was at a table with 5 yankees fans. Let me tell you, there is a lot hate for Cano right now.

    —————-

    He’ll find out once he visits with the Ms

  88. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    I was at the Casino this weekend- was at a table with 5 yankees fans. Let me tell you, there is a lot hate for Cano right now

    ===================================

    That’s a shame. There really shouldn’t be any hate. Why not just appreciate the decade of mostly excellence that he provided while here?

  89. blake February 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    “Probably. Don’t think he’d have a significant impact on this year’s team as he’d represent only a small upgrade over Johnson and Roberts (assuming good health for all), but beyond this year, he’d likely be a solid regular at SS.”

    Hard to assume good health for all

  90. Howler February 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    I don’t have any hate for him…he went for the money…but the idea that he was some “innocent,” is also looking at it with blinders on. He knew what he was doing, what he was giving up. He’ll be immensely popular in Seattle, as long as he performs. Seattle, just isn’t NY when it comes to being a baseball player.

  91. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    “Probably. Don’t think he’d have a significant impact on this year’s team as he’d represent only a small upgrade over Johnson and Roberts (assuming good health for all), but beyond this year, he’d likely be a solid regular at SS.”

    Hard to assume good health for all

    ==============================

    Yes, including Drew.

  92. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    tomingeorgia February 24th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    I love the notion that Cano left for altruistic reasons, only to help his countrymen
    ———————-

    And A-Rod tried to overturn his suspension to protect his fellow ball players

  93. blake February 24th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    It’s really not Cano’s fault the Yankees wouldn’t match Seattles offer….I’m fairly certain he would have rather came back to NY if they had wanted him

  94. blake February 24th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Yes, including Drew.”

    Well you can’t guarantee anyone will stay healthy…..but I think he’s got a much better chance of it than Brian Roberts

  95. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    AOA, for a lot of fans, sports doesn’t require in depth rational analysis. I definitely see Cano being booed, but is it big deal, nah.

  96. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    I don’t have any hate for him…he went for the money

    =============================

    You just hit on the biggest reason Yankees fans shouldn’t hate him. This Yankees team is full of guys who “went for the money”. It’s what baseball players in free agency do.

  97. Against All Odds February 24th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Why not just appreciate the decade of mostly excellence that he provided while here?

    ———————

    Because fans can be irrational and don’t like to have their heart broken. I’ve seen fans say Cano is poison wtf. I keep telling ppl that there is a section of fans that hate him. Not dislike his position but down right hate him on a real level. To those fans I say go f yourselves.

  98. Hankflorida February 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    If you look at the way Cashman plays the game, he does think outside the box. Last year, he brought in Boesch from Detroit who had a similar percentage of home runs to at bats as Granderson did when he played in Detroit. Boesch did not stay around that long to prove Cahshman’s theory because of the injuries to Text and Granderson left no room for him on the roster, but Boesch in a few at bats with the Yankees did increase his home run percentage. There is no way that Cashman loses Cano and pays double that he pays Gardener for another Mickey Rivers type of player. Cashman may not reap the benefits, but he is gambling that Ellsbury will be closer to that 2011 player with half his games at the Stadium.

  99. Against All Odds February 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    This Yankees team is full of guys who “went for the money”

    ————————-

    Which is weird.

    Fans: Cano is greedy

    Ummm what do you call the guys we signed. lol

  100. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    If I treated baseball as work then I would not be a sports fan. it’s a ground for irrational emotions, love, hate, cathartic off loads… that’s why i don’t get bent of shape when ppl diss C for leaving because it doesn’t have to be rational and has little or no impact on a player.

  101. Against All Odds February 24th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    I definitely see Cano being booed, but is it big deal, nah.

    —–

    IDK we you have fans tweeting him I hope you get injured or I hope you get ALS that’s somewhat of a big deal.

  102. pkyankfan69 February 24th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    You just hit on the biggest reason Yankees fans shouldn’t hate him. This Yankees team is full of guys who “went for the money”. It’s what baseball players in free agency do.
    ————–
    I definitely agree with this… The one small difference though is that the FA that have come to the Yankees for big money know that they are likely to put a team on the field that can contend for a title most years… Robbie took his money to play for a perennial loser. Again I don’t fault Lil Poppy for taking the most money but I do see a small difference there (looking through my Yankee tinted glasses of course.)

  103. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    No hate for Cano. I would have taken the money too. So would you.

  104. Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    IDK we you have fans tweeting him I hope you get injured or I hope you get ALS that’s somewhat of a big deal.
    —–
    you think Cano gives a … while chilling with Papi and fellow millionaires in Punta Cana with a bevy of good looking females. Just saying, not that i would bother to tweet Cano.

  105. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    to be fair to Seattle’s second baseman, when Gardner talked about more money not making a big difference in his life, he was maybe talking about $5M (its possible that he would have gotten LESS money in F/A because of the compensation pick) whereas Cano went to Seattle for at least $50M ‘extra’ bucks.

  106. Against All Odds February 24th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Cashmoney February 24th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
    IDK we you have fans tweeting him I hope you get injured or I hope you get ALS that’s somewhat of a big deal.
    —–
    you think Cano gives a … while chilling with Papi and fellow millionaires in Punta Cana with a bevy of good looking females. Just saying, not that i would bother to tweet Cano.

    ————–

    He might not but it has to be disgusting to read since he played here for 9 yrs. It’s one thing to hear that from a rival fan base but to get it from the fans that cheered you for yrs.

  107. AAA February 24th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    The one small difference though is that the FA that have come to the Yankees for big money know that they are likely to put a team on the field that can contend for a title most years

    ==================================================

    I lean towards agreeing with this, but would also point out the irony in the last 5 big ticket items the Yankees signed (Teixeira, Sabathia, Ellsbury, Beltran, and McCann) all came from playoff teams to a Yankees team that missed the playoffs.

    I’m sticking with “It’s mostly about the money”.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    “LOL. Of course, it’s not much more ridiculous than “He should have left $40M on the table so he could have a plaque at Yankee Stadium”.”

    As opposed to Jeter saying that all he wants to be remembered for is being a Yankee and Gardner expressing gratitude for his contract saying the only team he’s ever played for is the Yankees and he hopes he can say that when he’s done playing?

    That does have meaning to certain fans!

  109. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    im willing to bet people have tweeted just as bad things to cano (and even jeter) after they struck out with the winning run on base before he even left for seattle.

    if that kinda thing bothers you, you end up being Ike Davis.

  110. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    With Jeter, Gardner and Beltran you have 3 guys who all arguably have left money on the table (or offered to) just to play for the Yankees.

    As a Yankees fan, i really appreciate the gesture.

  111. clarko February 24th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    just saying’. 40 million or 60 or whatever can help a lot of people, save a lot of lives. Jay-Z knows this, too. I’m on the board of a Europe based charity that finds water and digs wells in Africa. A hundred bucks saves lives. Cano has to know this. I don’t know him, maybe he will blow millions on card games or craps tables in Vegas. Maybe he or his family are more grounded.
    He was, of course, a personal favorite of mine and I’m sorry he left. Happy Gardiner stayed. In the economy Gardiner grew up in a million bucks is a drop in the bucket. Not in the DR!
    Niceto see people earning their way out of poverty. Baseball provides a path, not sure if American football or hockey do. nothing against….

  112. Howler February 24th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    clarko…if you really think that is the case…then tell me this…where is it easier to do fundraising…NY as a Yankee, or Seattle as a Mariner?

  113. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    im not buying that any player is going for the most money so they have more to give to charity.

    not a shot at cano or anyone else.

  114. clarko February 24th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    Howler,
    in your own bank account. There is nothing like giving with a warm hand.
    Seattle is loaded, too.
    I raised this as a possible component of his thinking, not as a belief of mine. Mo raises money anywhere through his Mo-ness. Interesting to see what Cano does with is Cano-ness.
    Ever driven by St Jetersburg, north of Tampa?

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    “This Yankees team is full of guys who “went for the money””

    I think the difference to those who are upset may be that Robby is homegrown. Can you point to others who were homegrown and went elsewhere “for the money”?

  116. Chip February 24th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    The thing you have to remember when talking about a player picking a team based on their chances to win is this: Players aren’t always that well informed and can have huge egos

    If part of Seattle’s push was, “look, we have the pitching to compete now in King Felix and Iwakamura and we’re going to surround you with better offensive players and you’re going to lead us into a time of big time winning.” I can see Cano falling for that – especially when they’re sweetening the deal with a dumbass contract.

  117. Vince February 24th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    I’ll be there Saturday. Anyone know the pitching order?

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    “With Jeter, Gardner and Beltran you have 3 guys who all arguably have left money on the table (or offered to) just to play for the Yankees.

    As a Yankees fan, i really appreciate the gesture.”

    Big time.

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    “It’s really not Cano’s fault the Yankees wouldn’t match Seattles offer….I’m fairly certain he would have rather came back to NY if they had wanted him”

    Sorry, I’m not buying this and I see this as major fruit salad.

    If you are saying that the Yankees had to go 10 years to prove their love, there’s definitely something wrong with that picture. How about if Seattle went 12? Gave him 40 mil a year?

  120. Ys Guy February 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Don Hooton said yesterday that he hasn’t heard one word from Aroid or any of his representatives since Biogenesis happened.

    He sucked all the PR he could out of them, then dropped them like a hot rock once the lie was revealed.

  121. clarko February 24th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Jeter has a mansion with, like, 25 toilets and an underground garage with over 500 collectable cars. He keeps gift baskets with signed baseballs as good morning gifts for his one night stands. But as he approaches retirement he is interested in a line of books, in creating a family, doing good things for other people. These guys are not one dimensional. They travel, buy what money can buy. They also develop as people and talk amongst themselves. Giambi was famous for never leaving a tip less than $100., even for a beer.
    SOME people who make megabucks think about how lucky they are.
    This is not a political rant, just a set of observations. We Can imagine Cano seeing himself as someone who can help out with the extra buckos.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 24th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Cano was never going to go broke on what the Yankees offered him.

  123. BoJo February 24th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    How could Cashman really believe that Ellsbury will hit for power like he did in 2011? One word… “gummies.”

  124. clarko February 24th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Cano was already a rich man. The richer you are, the more you know what your money can do for others.

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    ====
    Does he suffer from a bowel disorder?

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