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Friday morning notes: Pineda throwing sim game on Sunday

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Michael Pineda

Instead of getting in a Grapefruit League game right away, Michael Pineda’s first spring outing will be a Sunday simulated game. Manager Joe Girardi said the Yankees might be moving a little bit slower with Pineda “just to make sure” he’s healthy, but it’s not significantly slower. Pineda’s sim game will come just one day after CC Sabathia, Hiroki Kuroda and Masahiro Tanaka make their spring debuts.

“(Pitching a sim game is) just kind of the way it works out,” Girardi said. “We’ve talked about building guys up, and we’ll do a sim for him the first game. I believe his second game is a real game.”

Girardi said he expects other starters to make simulated starts at various points as well, and he generally dismissed the idea that Pineda beginning with one carries any real significance. In fact, the Yankees have routinely talked about how impressive Pineda has been this spring. Girardi said his slider is sharp and his changeup has actually improved. The Yankees believe he’s throwing with power, but they haven’t had a radar gun on him in bullpens.

“He’s better than when we saw him a couple of years ago, that’s for sure,” Girardi said. “So we have been encouraged. I’m curious to see how it translates in a game. … Just the way the ball’s coming out (has been impressive). Consistency in his mechanics. Consistency in his location.”

Jose Ramirez· Slade Heathcott is beginning baseball drills this morning. He said he wasn’t sure what exactly he’d be doing, but he expected to play catch and take some dry swings. He had relatively minor knee surgery this offseason and has been eased into regular spring training activities. He said he’s felt absolutely no problems during workouts, but he obviously hasn’t tested the knee in drills. “I haven’t felt anything from the get go,” Heathcott said. “We’re just being extra cautious.”

· MRIs on Jose Ramirez’s back and oblique came back clean, but he still feels sore and so he’ll be shut down for a while. Ramirez told me that it feels basically the exact same as last year’s oblique injury which cost him two months. Ramirez told Marly Rivera of ESPN that the pain is slightly less than last year, but he believes it’s the same injury. “we have to treat the symptoms, and he’s sore,” Girardi said. “I can’t tell you exactly what it means and how long he’s going to be down, but he’s down right now.”

· Scott Sizemore is going to do sliding drills on Sunday — actually sliding in the dirt into a base — and that should be his final step before being cleared to play in games. He’s obviously anxious to get going but said he appreciates the Yankees giving him time to ease into things. Sounds encouraged by the way his knee feels so far.

· Didn’t see Tyler Austin to get an update on his wrist.

· Girardi said he plans to use CC Sabathia for the first two innings, then Hiroki Kuroda for two innings, then Masahiro Tanaka for two innings in tomorrow’s game. After that, they’ll be separated for their remaining starts, but Girardi indicated that at least one of those three will pitch a simulated game next.

· Upcoming spring starters:
Saturday: CC Sabathia
Sunday: Vidal Nuno
Monday: Ivan Nova
Tuesday: David Phelps
Wednesday: Adam Warren

· Derek Jeter apparently feels fine after playing yesterday. He’s still on track to play again tomorrow. “I asked him how he felt and he said, ‘good.’” Girardi said. “But he wasn’t the only guy I asked how he felt. I asked Brian Roberts. Anyone who played yesterday, I asked them how they feel. A lot of guys have said, better than they expected.”

· Dave Robertson and Jose Campos threw live batting practice this morning. They faced Scott Sizemore and Kelly Johnson.

· Reggie Jackson arrived in Yankees camp today.

Zealous Wheeler· Today’s second string: C Austin Romine, 1B Francisco Arcia, 2B Yangervis Solarte, SS Addison Maruszak, 3B Zelous Wheeler, LF Jose Pirela, CF Ramon Flores, RF Antoan Richardson

· Today’s available relievers: Shawn Kelley, Preston Claiborne, Dan Burawa, Mark Montgomery, Brian Gordon and Fred Lewis (Dellin Betances, Caleb Cotham, Chase Whitley, Bruce Billings, Zach Nuding and Diego Moreno are also making the trip).

· Early bullpen sessions:
Michael Pineda (to John Ryan Murphy)
Manny Banuelos (to Jose Gil)
Ivan Nova (to Francisco Cervelli)
Matt Daley (to Roman Rodriguez)

· Batting practice groups at Steinbrenner Field:
Group 1: Derek Jeter, Brian Roberts, Alfonso Soriano, Ichiro Suzuki (that’s the cool-guy group)
Group 2: Francisco Cervelli, Brett Gardner, Mark Teixeira
Group 3: Kelly Johnson, John Ryan Murphy, Scott Sizemore

Associated Press photos (that’s Wheeler in the bottom photo, and Ramirez from last spring in the middle picture)

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183 Responses to “Friday morning notes: Pineda throwing sim game on Sunday”

  1. braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    “I am a fan of Nunez. I think his best position is 2b.”

    nope,1b definitely.

    that way he doesn’t have to throw to it :)

  2. blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 2m
    Taijuan Walker shut down again with shoulder problems. Good thing he was off the table in David Price trade talks.

    the Mariners so should have pulled the trigger on that if they could have gotten Price….2 years of already ace is always better than a pitching prospect.

  3. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 10:13 am
    As to the perceived value of Nunez, I point to the title of this (previous) Thread. The Yanks know his value to THIS team.
    ========================

    Praying he hits somewhat & gets NOTHING hit to him….

    …called – Showcasing

  4. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    brae, Nunez is very exciting to watch personally, sometimes, good. others, bad.

  5. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 10:20 am
    “I am a fan of Nunez. I think his best position is 2b.”

    nope,1b definitely.

    that way he doesn’t have to throw to it :)
    ====================================

    ..either at Scranton or Arizona.

  6. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    I like the way Girardi is finally honest about Pineda with his, “He’s better than when we saw him a couple years ago, that’s for sure.” Same goes for most Now admitting that when Jeet returned last season he looked gimpy. It was obvious, but they treat fans like they are Manny, Moe, and Jack

  7. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    I agree as to Nunez being “inconsistent”, but the “flashes” and his age, Make you wait. And certainly he is No “throw in.”

  8. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    I keep telling folks that Pineda’s CU is lot better than he is given credit for.

    He’s gonna have to start using it more.

    It’s an effective pitch for him.

    It will speed his evolution from a thrower to a pitcher which is a good thing.

    :)

  9. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Prediction (I don’t do many).

    When other members of the Yankees staff are done watching Tanaka and Kuroda destroy hitters w their splits this season others of them will want to learn one.

    It only makes sense.

    Who better to show them than Kuroda and Tanaka.

    A pitching revolution may be coming. Watch for it.

    ;)

  10. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    “blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:05 am
    “If you move Nunez in a trade for Owings, you’re really rolling the dice. First you’d have to move Owings off SS (he’s played all of 10 games at 2b in his pro career) , then you’d be totally dependent on Roberts and Sizemore’s health (not a good bet). Longterm it might be a good move, but this year very dicey.”

    what? I think you are greatly overvaluing Nunez…..he’s a throw in…..they have Ryan anyway.
    ==========================================
    nope, you are actuallly way overvaluing sizemore, who is basically the same player as nunez only more injury prone and still rehabbing an injury.

  11. blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    we are into the 22nd round in my fantasy draft and nobody has picked Tex yet…..

  12. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    basically when it comes to down to, Me and Blake are the two most ardent supporter of Nunez on this blog. Viva La Nunez!

  13. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Its really easy to take shots an Nunez, and he deserves them all, but with this IF set up the way it is, Nunez is a very important player and if he cant play 3B as he did at the end of last year, he will be very valuable.

    IF Sizemore rehabs ok and can play then you can plug him into Nunez’s spot, but that’s no sure thing.

  14. Tackelberry February 28th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Those that complain about Hal, just think it could be alot worse. We could have an owner like James Dolan, who has managed to completely run the Knicks into the ground.

  15. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    blake, i take it this is a mock draft?

  16. BoJo February 28th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    I am surprised Pineada is throwing a SIMS game. i didn’t know they had a baseball version…must be SIMS 4.

  17. braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    “Well, Montero took a dive, so the prospect huggers have moved to Almonte.”

    montero hit a rocket to third base yesterday playing baseball for a mlb team.

    what did you do yesterday?

    a lot of people have jumped on the anti montero bandwagon because he’s a big fat target ( humor intended) but it’s lazy thinking. he’s had one bad year and he’s still going to have an age 24 season somewhere in 2014.

    the mariners are rightly doing a tough love thing with montero and they should. the fact he’s playing in mlb games for them show they haven’t given up on him.

    my point about almonte is do the yankees have the right people “pruning” the tree as mtu puts it ?

    decisions have to be made about young players, but i’m wondering about that process. i wouldn’t trade john ryan murphy at this point. i like him as a yankee. there’s something to be said for a player who survives the yankee minor league gauntlet and makes it to the majors.

    once there they are battle tested. are all players coming in from other organizations ready to withstand the pressure that comes with being a yankee?

  18. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Given tex’s poor starts, you can probably get away with leaving him undrafted then pick him up as a F/A in Mid May if he shows signs of coming out of it.

  19. blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    “nope, you are actuallly way overvaluing sizemore, who is basically the same player as nunez only more injury prone and still rehabbing an injury.”

    I think he’s better than Nunez when healthy though…..of course he may not be healthy. I don’t see either guy playing a big role this year…..at least I hope not.

  20. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Hal is still undergoing OJT but he’s improving.

    Still a way’s to go before his apprenticeship ends.

    But the progress is evident.

    :)

  21. austinmac February 28th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Sizemore was only an average type player before injuries. An interview with him a week or two ago made it sound like his health was still a work in progress. I think that is why he has a second, later opt out date.

  22. blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    “blake, i take it this is a mock draft?”

    nope….nobody wants him. I might pick him here soon out of pity

  23. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    OT, Sid Meier’s original Civilization game was awesome where i learned the value of subjugation by superior technology as I bombarded the Zulu nation with my fleet of carriers.

  24. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    blake, where are they picking Jose Abreu?

  25. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    “Tackelberry February 28th, 2014 at 10:35 am
    Those that complain about Hal, just think it could be alot worse. We could have an owner like James Dolan, who has managed to completely run the Knicks into the ground.”
    ==================================
    I’ve pointed out many times that people who want the Stein’s to sell arent thinking about the most possible alternative owners.

    Sure everyone thinks a Mark Cuban will buy them and it’ll be great. But it’s far more likely that a huge corporation like Comcast or (gasp) the Dolans or Trump would buy them than a Cuban type.

    What is generally referred to as the “horace clark” era was actually the cbs era. And remember who screwed up then sold the Dodger’s to McCourt?, no it was not the O’Malleys, it was FOX.

    I say beware of what you wish for.

  26. BoJo February 28th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 10:37 am
    Given tex’s poor starts, you can probably get away with leaving him undrafted then pick him up as a F/A in Mid May if he shows signs of coming out of it.
    ====
    I agree. Let him flounder in April and May, and you can pick him up in a trade for a box of Wheaties to be named later.

  27. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Hal needs to continue to learn who’s judgment he can rely on.

    If it were me I’d take a chainsaw to some of our MiLB’s and ops.

    Never mind just a little pruning.

    Bet you can’t guess which tree branch I hack off first ?

    ;)

  28. austinmac February 28th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Braeburn,

    Montero proved himself to be an immature young man. Imagine that. I’m lucky I wasn’t a public figure.

    He may hit again. He still needs to lay off the breaking balls a foot off the plate. Learn to take them, diet and exercise, and he may well yet have a good career.

    There are few sure things in life. Expectations of a baseball player probably isn’t one.

  29. blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    “blake, where are they picking Jose Abreu?”

    it’s a unique league that has a rookie roster….so he was picked as a rookie before the draft even started by somebody so technically he hasn’t been drafted…..but I’m guessing he would have gone somewhere in the 6-8 range……

  30. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Who does Joba drill first? An ex-teammate or a new guy?

  31. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    MTU February 28th, 2014 at 10:31 am
    Prediction (I don’t do many). When other members of the Yankees staff are done watching Tanaka and Kuroda destroy hitters w their splits this season others of them will want to learn one.
    ____________

    Being able to throw a good splitter has to do with the size of your fingers. If you can’t wedge the ball between your pointer and middle fingers you’re out of luck. Accordingly, learning one may not be possible with some.

  32. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Time walk the Mops before the deluge hits.

    Back later if I don’t drown first.

    :)

  33. pkyankfan69 February 28th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    I’m trying to temper expectations for Pineda but it’s hard to not get a little excited about how positive early reports on him have been (granted those reports are primarily from within the org.)

  34. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    MTU – did you read this:

    http://www.economist.com/node/18013810

  35. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Good article. Water is more valuable than gold or oil in the West and climate change/global warming has insured it’s only going to get worse. Chinatown was more than a great movie.

  36. blake February 28th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/

    Axisa’s take on the Dbacks rumors…..he seems to think a JR for Owings deal makes sense for both sides. I think they’d want Sanchez.

  37. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    NO comment on that Fantasy League Blake is in.

  38. luis February 28th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Good morning guys,

    I just read the comments on the previous threads and this is going out of control. So I will not post again about what is happening to avoid any kind of confrontation in here because of me. I will say a few things that have to be said though before I shut it out:

    1) We have had a Public Education system since 1945, including Universities. It was quite good until it started to deteriorate in the mid 70″s. This regime just painted a few of them, change their names and say that they built them. The have open a few Colleges though, and yes, they increased the enrolled students. But the quality of the education is very poor. To the point that in a competitive labor market, they wouldn’t be hired, because they lack the tools to perform the job they are supposed to do.

    2) About having a job. If Venezuela was the US, the unemployment rate would be around 68%. Yes, because 60% is working on the informal sector of the economy, which means that they are being underpaid and lack any social benefits that the formal economy employees have. Also 20% of the work force is under the State payroll, some as public employees and others as members of the different social programs called “Misiones”, where they collect some money for “Studying, having children if you are a teenager and so on”. Only 20% of the whole workforce is actually producing and that number is languishing as we speak. As I said, there are few job alternatives. To the point that the exodus of young and professionals from the country is staggering. You can’t build a nation without them.

    3) The ones looting the country are those in power. They have stolen about 600 Billion Dollars in the last 15 years. I would even respect them if they were true to their believes, but they aren’t.

    4) There is no conspiracy and the regime will fall on it’s own. It is simply not viable, economically, socially or politically.

  39. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    I think with Sanchez, Tower would go 1-1. With J.R. you kick in a piece on yanks side. But I think Tower would entertain either players. Would I trade either for Owing? Yeah.

  40. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Yes, Chinatown is also a great spot for restaurants and hanging fish

  41. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Yeah, I like the way they are moving away from the term “global warming” and jumping into “climate change.”

  42. braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    “Montero proved himself to be an immature young man. Imagine that. I’m lucky I wasn’t a public figure.”

    no doubt that montero was made to feel a little too special while a yankee and too entitled maybe.

    prospects get the special treatment and i think tat’s the kiss of death in the yankee system.

    montero’s problem is right now the whole baseball world has him typecast and it’s going to be his job to change it. it’s up to him. no one is going to do it for him.

    i got some advice from a senior tour golfer who had seen it all on both tours. he told me that almost no one cares what you shoot and the ones who do are rooting against you.

    his point is it’s all up to you.ignore everyone else and play your own game, montero needs the equivalent baseball advice.

  43. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    I’d love Owings, that would be a great get. With McCann and Cervelli, I would give up any of our catching prospects.

  44. CountryClub February 28th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Axisa’s take on the Dbacks rumors…..he seems to think a JR for Owings deal makes sense for both sides. I think they’d want Sanchez.

    ————–

    Murphy is just about ready to step in and play. I think that would have a lot of value for Arizona. If the yanks had to throw something else in to sweeten the pot, I’d do it.

  45. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    I believe Montero would have been OK shooting at RF in Yankee Stadium. He was dealt and exposed.

  46. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    I don’t like helping the D-backs fill any needs – even if it would help us as well. I hope they rot in last place forever…no offense, Gibby

  47. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    If it’s me, I sign Drew, and save my bullets for July 31 or beyond.

  48. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 10:57 am
    Yeah, I like the way they are moving away from the term “global warming” and jumping into “climate change.”
    _____________

    “Global warming”, or the warming of the planet causes “climate change”, i.e., extreme conditions.

  49. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    If I recall correctly, and sadly, the only person who would know for sure can’t comment, GB7 used to tell me A. Almonte was comparable to Brett Gardner, so I guess that is what made him expendable. but GB7 liked Almonte as a player. I don’t think he saw him as someone they shouldn’t ever trade, though.

    Of course, I do not miss the somewhat ironic twist that they went and got Ellsbury and kept Gardner, too. I say somewhat, because at the time they traded Almonte, they probably had no thought about Ellsbury, and still had hopes of retaining Cano.

  50. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    There is a match in terms of a need and some familiarity between T and C, I can see it happening. This is not a remote fantasy like some of our other proposals.

  51. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Should the GreenBeret7 handle be retired here forever, or should one of his friends bring back the moniker to add posts that would remind us what GB would have said in certain threads?

  52. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    Global “warming”? I can tell you in the South, last Summer was Cooler, and we know about the Winter.

  53. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    braeburn, Almonte’s biggest issue has been the injuries, and his place on the CF depth chart behind projected elite players like Heathcott and Mason. Plus you had Gardy and Grandy at the time. Zoilo is a corner, not a CF, so his presence wouldn’t have affected Yanks’ view of Abe’s value. But Yanks likely saw Abe as more of a 4th OF and preferred the AAAA types they keep in SWB as depth. The Yankees obviously considered Almonte expendable at the point prior to 2013 when they would have had to add him to their 40-man roster. However, he’s always been a toolsy kid with a strong arm and plus D who would give you a very good AB from either side of the plate, particularly vs. RHP. So, as a CF he brings plus D and a pretty good bat. He showed decent plate discipline, could hit breaking pitches and would give you some pop while in Trenton plus steal bases, as in spite of his stocky build he has plus speed. I think he can be a good MLB CF, and that if Seattle continues to give him a chance and he stays healthy, he will do well for them.

  54. RadioKev February 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    I would not trade Sanchez for Owings, but Murphy? Yeah, I think that makes sense. Cervelli or Romine for their other guys, Murphy is a notch above Gregorius.

  55. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    The defense of both Ellsbury and Gardner will be raved about all season. Coupled with the minor ground to cover in RF/Beltran, the Yankee OF will be in Lockdown all season.

  56. Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Yanks traded Abe for Kelley whom is now their de facto EIG, I remember the only guy voiced displeasure at the time was Chip, though I don’t recall the specifics.

  57. CountryClub February 28th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    Bryan Hoch ?@BryanHoch 18m
    Joe Girardi said “it’s pretty safe to say” they’re planning on Masahiro Tanaka starting either game 3 (Hou) or 4 (Tor) of reg. season.

  58. blake February 28th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    “Murphy is just about ready to step in and play. I think that would have a lot of value for Arizona. If the yanks had to throw something else in to sweeten the pot, I’d do it.”

    I think a lot of clubs would want Sanchez just because he’s ranked higher as a prospect…..Towers tends to not care about that stuff though so he might actually value JR more for the reasons you say……JR is kinda gritty too!

  59. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    We will have alot of low scoring winning streaks this year

  60. RadioKev February 28th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    With Sanchez’s reported bat potential, I wouldn’t give that up for Owings. Sanchez is considered by some to be the better prospect.

  61. Hassey February 28th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    How could Benoit have given up that Slam last year? Could that have really happened? That series was OVER

  62. braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    “But Yanks likely saw Abe as more of a 4th OF and preferred the AAAA types they keep in SWB as depth.”

    yankeefeminista-

    i knew you’d have the complete scouting report on almonte. if i win the lottery and buy a baseball team you’re my first hire to run the player development system.

    i just find it striking that the yankees had a young center fielder but no one ate second or third and they pay the big bucks at center field.

    if the yankees are going to have the minor league system work for them they need to have a plan ahead of time. at this point they seem like they are just winging it.

    john ryan murphy now has the big trade target on him because they signed mccann. i just disagree with that mentality.

  63. CountryClub February 28th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    The one thing I’ll say about Sanchez/Murphy is that while Sanchez definitely has the higher ceiling, I think it’s much more likely that Murphy becomes a 10 yr starter.

    So it comes down to whether you want the potential star or the pretty safe bet.

  64. jmills February 28th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Jays games on la radio today right through Sunday vs you guys. Yipee, company on the HWY to hell, great Bon Scott! Call me an anacronysm, I love radio. :D

  65. blake February 28th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    “With Sanchez’s reported bat potential, I wouldn’t give that up for Owings. Sanchez is considered by some to be the better prospect.”

    BA has Sanchez ranked about 30 spots higher than Owings in their top 100……but Owings is big league ready. I think you could say Sanchez has the higher overall ceiling but Owings has a higher floor because he’s done it at the upper levels and he’s ready for the big leagues more or less…..plus he plays a position that the Yanks need and Sanchez plays a position they have a lot of depth at.

  66. RadioKev February 28th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    BA has Sanchez ranked about 30 spots higher than Owings in their top 100……but Owings is big league ready. I think you could say Sanchez has the higher overall ceiling but Owings has a higher floor because he’s done it at the upper levels and he’s ready for the big leagues more or less…..plus he plays a position that the Yanks need and Sanchez plays a position they have a lot of depth at.
    ——————

    I get the argument, but I’d rather fake it for now at SS than sell off Sanchez for a lesser prospect. If I’m trading Sanchez it’s for major league talent, which Owings is not.

    Baseball America calls Sanchez the overall #2 Catcher prospect, Owings the overall #7 SS prospect.

  67. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Yankeefeminista, didn’t the Yankees have John Ryan play third at some point? Or am I not remembering correctly? If so, is it something worth considering again? If not, is it Roth considering, period?

    I really want this kid to stay in he Yankees system. I don’t think McCann will catch for an extended amount of time…

  68. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    “john ryan murphy now has the big trade target on him because they signed mccann. i just disagree with that mentality.”

    braeburn, I disagree as well. Murph is going to be a very good catcher. And he is a batter who works the count and doesn’t give away AB’s. He was a delight to watch in Trenton, even when the ball wasn’t falling for him, you always knew he would hit. Would have loved to have seen a tandem of him and Sanchez, not that I ever expected it to happen.

    blake, you have to value Sanchez as the highest of that group b/c of the power he has. If he keeps developing behind the plate, you really do not want to trade a bat with so much potential pop at that position. We still have some young SS’s who may move quickly. Perhaps Avelino… I’d rather we band-aid SS for a year (And I am not normally a fan of band-aids) than make a foolhardy move.

  69. blake February 28th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    “I get the argument, but I’d rather fake it for now at SS than sell off Sanchez for a lesser prospect. If I’m trading Sanchez it’s for major league talent, which Owings is not.”

    he’s not really a lesser prospect…..he’s a different type of prospect. He’s closer to the big leagues and that carries a lot of value…..plus he plays a position the Yankees need.

  70. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Is it WORTH considering…oops

  71. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Az. likely is just looking for a b/u type C. they have Montero signed for big bucks through 2017.

  72. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    doreen, Murphy played a little 3B in Lakewood if you recall (did you go to those games?) that first year when he was in Charleston, but at that point he was just learning to catch. I saw two games, one he played 3B and didn’t get any balls, and he also catched (abysmally I might add, but he was just getting his feet wet on a position move at the time) But he is a catcher now and that is where his value is. I don’t think anyone would move him from catching at this point. Plus even though he shows some pop, he really doesn’t have a 3B bat.

  73. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Position scarcity is a factor Not being appreciated in this discussion.

  74. braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    “I say somewhat, because at the time they traded Almonte, they probably had no thought about Ellsbury, and still had hopes of retaining Cano.”

    doreen-

    that’s kinda the problem.my perception is there’s not a whole lot of realistic thinking two-three years down the road .

    i’m a total amateur and jr murphy jumped out at me last year when i saw the double a team, and i wondered what all the hype was about slade heathcott for example. he acted that game like he wanted to be somewhere else. maybe he just had a bad day.

    but i do wonder who’s evaluating these guys.

  75. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    hanging on to murphy makes no sense unless you just cant get decent value for him. he’s going to be a b/u catcher on this team, which is nice, but others can fill in adequately at that position if they can markedly improve at a weaker position.

  76. RadioKev February 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    Owings is ranked a few spots lower than Sanchez on several lists, and at his position he is definitely ranked lower than Sanchez. Plus Sanchez has the power tool, which is at a premium these days.

  77. hardwired7 February 28th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    “should one of his friends bring back the moniker to add posts that would remind us what GB would have said in certain threads”

    Not possible. GB7 was inimitable.

  78. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    “JR is kinda gritty too!”

    Kind of gritty? Kid’s grit-personified.

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Yankeefem – Always have felt that Abe was just voodoo’d with bad health when here. Shoulder, leg injuries, etc.

    He’s like Feliz in that he becomes torrid and then boom – he gets hurt again.

    I did not like him being dealt and said so at the time; I recall you also weren’t happy that we dealt a good young hitter/OF for a friggin’ reliever.

    Well it seems that Abe is enjoying some health, finally, and if that lasts, yes, he could be an impactful player, with his speed on bases and in CF, very good arm, and of course he’s a switch hitter.

    I didn’t get to see too much of his righthanded swings, but I always liked him left-handed. He has some pop and some real batspeed, and can handle the stick. He has that nice lefty swing; too bad the Yankees got impatient with the injuries, because as you say, he is a toolsy little guy with leadoff mentality but also power.

  80. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Thanks, yankeefeminista. I was at one of those Lakewood games, and hike I dont recall details, I do recall that Murphy impressed me.

    You’re right of course about his value as catcher. I just have zero comfort zone about players sticking with the Yankees.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Hey, why are we discussing Abe Almonte again? I know he’s in the mix for Seattle. I just dropped in for a minute, here.

  82. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Hassey-

    I’m well aware of the situation.

    Other states are constantly trying to steal each others allotments from the Colorado.

    That is one of the arguments put forth by proponents of the Lake Powell pipeline for Utah.

    That our water will not be stolen by other thirsty states.

    By the way, I believe in xeriscape for Western homes.

    Grass is a luxury out here. Our has only a very tiny little piece of grass just so we remember what it looks like.

    About the size of a small putting green.

    ;)

  83. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Abe = Melky based on the descriptions above.

  84. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    I should say I saw that they needed to upgrade at catcher, and so they had to get McCann, but this is a position they weren’t supposed to have to do that. He wasn’t perfect, but as long as they already had him, might it not have been best to retain Martin for 2-3 years???

    Water under the bridge.

  85. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    HW-

    True.

    Can’t be replaced or imitated.

    And shouldn’t be.

    He’s a one of a kind. An original.

    ;)

  86. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Let’s just hope McCann stays healthy and doesn’t have his usual trending down second half, which has happened the past three seasons. If he can stay healthy and with that LHB, he should beast at NYS. But when he moves off C … As much as I would have to keep Sanchez over Murph. I do love Murph; think he would be a quintessential Yankee. A leader behind the plate who pitchers love to throw to, and love the hitting tool/plate discipline. Nice to have such choices at a premium position. SS too will likely have some depth in our system in a couple of years; it’s already happened from A+ down: we may too have a Didi vs. an Owings vying for time at that position… Hard to pull the trigger now on a SS though. Again, I would be careful about trading our upper echelon catchers this year. I’d rather see Cervy (who I think will have a good year, and I get the R/L platoon need there with McCann) or Romine go. But they all have their value, so someone might want one of them if they can stay healthy…

  87. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    As to whether the Yanks should have signed McCann, let’s see if he lives up to the Clubhouse Leader tag before making that judgment.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Cashmoney February 28th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Yanks traded Abe for Kelley whom is now their de facto EIG, I remember the only guy voiced displeasure at the time was Chip, though I don’t recall the specifics.
    ///

    I was not happy with the trade, and I remember YF and I discussing it here; we’d both seen quite a bit of him in Trenton. Don’t really remember who else expressed displeasure.

  89. CountryClub February 28th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    “Caveats about the nature of projection systems aside, most of them think that Tanaka will finish with close to — but fewer than — 200 IP and an ERA between 3.50 and 3.75, which in this run-scoring environment is the difference between a solidly good starting pitcher and one who is merely average. In a vacuum, just about any team would be ecstatic to get 192 IP of 3.65 ERA ball (or whatever) out of their 25-year-old rookie starter; that line would likely secure the Rookie of the Year Award. But then, the typical first-year player makes less than $500,000 a year — not Tanaka’s salary.
    Ultimately, in order to enjoy Tanaka — especially during his first year or two in New York — Yankees fans are going to have to try and forget how much money he’s making, hard as it may be. Not only did he walk into a perfect storm created by the new posting system and the Yankees’ offseason desperation, but the contract he was given is predicated on the idea that he will continue to grow as a pitcher over at least the first half of the contract’s life.”

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/a.....8_19290724

  90. blake February 28th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    “blake, you have to value Sanchez as the highest of that group b/c of the power he has. If he keeps developing behind the plate, you really do not want to trade a bat with so much potential pop at that position. We still have some young SS’s who may move quickly. ”

    I do….but they just signed a power hitting catcher to a 5 year contract. I don’t think we have any infielders that will move quickly……so it’s a trade that would hurt…..but one I’d probably do to get Owings.

  91. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Melky is an elite hitter.

  92. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    We still have an Almonte and he seems to be being wasted too.

    :(

  93. Patrick February 28th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    I would trade Murphy for Owings. I doubt the D-backs would do it though.

    Sanchez for Owings? No way

  94. blake February 28th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    prospect rankings are fun to look at but they are greatly weighted towards upside…..when making trades teams tend to value guys closer to the big leagues a lot more….

  95. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    blake, I would like to have Owings too, but not for Sanchez.

    Pruf, I think Abe has value if he can stay healthy. A very good player and always liked his overall game. At the time that they dealt him I felt he could be a useful player off the bench/replace Gardner in the event of an injury. I think he can be a successful MLB fielder if Seattle goes that route. However, I won’t kill the Yanks for not protecting him, and that is one deal I don’t need to revisit.

  96. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    CC-

    I don’t think anyone has to worry about Tanaka. Especially long term.

    More than likely people are going to be very pleasantly surprised when they get a load of him and what he can do out on a mound.

    :)

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    MTU,

    Interestingly, we had two Almontes who were switch-hitting OFs at one time down in Trenton. They were two of the most exciting players for the Thunder at the time. What I liked about Abe, other than the promise of his tools, was how savvy he was. Wasn’t just fast, but a smart base stealer, took charge in the OF, discerning hitter. He was a nice package who could be something if he can ever be blessed with good health.

  98. bardos February 28th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Luis February 28th, 2014 at 10:56 am
    Good morning guys,
    I just read the comments on the previous threads and this is going out of control. So I will not post again about what is happening…

    Gracias por la aclaración. Las noticias que salen de tu país, mas o menos dependen de qué periódico o fuente on-line que leas. Es otra cosa escuchar algo de alguien que lo está viviendo. saludos.

  99. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    If Owings looks to be a really good young SS I’d trade any one of our young Catchers for him
    including Sanchez.

    We need IF’er’s more than we need Catchers.

  100. braeburn February 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    doreen-

    yeah , holding onto martin until murphy/sanchez developed would have made sense because it would have left money for other positions that were not a minor league strength.

    it’s not totally water under the bridge because the same people who control the water flowing under the bridge are still making the decisions for the future.

    i’m personally not crazy about having either mccann or ellsbury. maybe i’ll warm up to them.
    i’d like the yankees to err on the side of growing their own.

    or if they arent going to do that then go all the way and sign ellsbury, mcann and cano. and buy a third baseman while they are at it and spend $250 million a year.

    to me they are in between two canoes and not really making sense . there’s too many holes still
    i like having tanaka but not because they’ll win this year. i like him because he’s so young he can be there when they finally get it together in a few years.

  101. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    JAP-

    We still have a good one left but he seems to be left out to pasture.

  102. austinmac February 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    I don’t want to trade youth for age, but youth for youth is another matter.

  103. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    - 2 THINGS I WANT TO SEE IN SPRING TRAINING -

    (1) That Already Legendary Tanaka “splitter”

    (2) How well McCann handles that Already Legendary Splitter.

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    I won’t kill the Yanks for not protecting him, and that is one deal I don’t need to revisit.
    ///

    I still don’t know why he’s being discussed, but they could have used him more than another reliever. They don’t seem to have the patience with switch hitters. They rushed Melky and probably won’t have much patience with Z, at this point.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    JAP-

    We still have a good one left but he seems to be left out to pasture.
    ///

    Well, they suddenly have no room for him.

    Their ways bore me to tears.

  106. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    “that’s kinda the problem.my perception is there’s not a whole lot of realistic thinking two-three years down the road .”

    This is what they need to work on. They seem to exist in an ever present where they make moves willy-nilly instead of having a long term plan. As a result they take both financial and player personnel hits. That they were so bereft at C last year, and so similarly barren this year in the IF speaks to that lack of planning and dependency on a FA approach, the latter, the very thing Cashman expected them to be free of. Hopefully, a bunch of IFA signings and the lower rung potential finally developing will explode this antiquated model.

  107. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Zoilo crushes rt.-handed pitching and his fielding is better than advertised but he continues to languish.

    :(

  108. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    …and extending players, which Hal is no longer wearing as some badge of showing it is a way to do business when everyone else is locking up their young core players…

  109. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    And Mr. Diaz has still not signed.

    Guess he isn’t getting his 30 Mil.

    :)

  110. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Pruf, agree. And you need to give switchy AB’s. If they are relegated to platoon status, what is the point?

  111. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    switchy’s* AB’s

  112. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    YF-

    At least he broke out w GGBG.

    :)

  113. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Based on the Gardner signing, it looks like Hal has changed his mind with the “extending players” policy.

  114. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Can someone please tell me how good Adam Warren is so I know what to do with him ?

    Thanks. MTU.

    :)

  115. AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Based on the Gardner signing, it looks like Hal has changed his mind with the “extending players” policy.

    ============================

    Perhaps. He’d do better not to let them get within 9 months of free agency, but this is a good start.

  116. spoiledyankfan February 28th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Zelous Wheeler looks like a baaad man in that photo.

  117. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Yankees have a plan.

    It’s just that some don’t like it.

    If the Farm hadn’t have failed again they would not have had a need to spend like drunken sailors this OS.

    But it did. So they did a reset. They’ll try again over the next 2-3 years.

    Maybe this time the results will finally be better. But maybe not.

    We’ll see. Some changes down there. Are they enough ?

    ;)

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Zoilo crushes rt.-handed pitching and his fielding is better than advertised but he continues to languish.

    :(
    //

    Almonte may like LF better than RF. He has enough speed to play balls in the LCF gap, and maybe he likes the ball better straight at him.

    He could make good, athletic plays in the OF at Trenton and then, without warning, he would do something inexplicable, grossly misjudge a ball, charge a ball he had no business coming in on, etc. It was always a bit puzzling, why he would just blow up all of a sudden. His coaches would periodically say the problem was a loss of focus; I never heard him buy into that, just the admission that his defense was the no. 1 thing he needed to work on.

    I do think someone must have worked with him to good advantage on his OF play when he was in Scranton. He hasn’t really taken a false step as a Yankee since that awful series in ST a couple of years ago (which spoiled an otherwise eye-opening camp for him).

  119. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:07 am
    Global “warming”? I can tell you in the South, last Summer was Cooler, and we know about the Winter.
    _____________________
    What don’t you understand? The warming planet causes extreme weather conditions. That includes both extreme cold, heat, drought, flood and storms.

    NOAA reports, the global temperature in January 2014 was the warmest since 2007 and the 4th warmest on record, dating back to 1880. January’s global temperature marked the 347th straight month of above normal warmth. You have to go all the way back to February, 1985 – almost 29 years – to find a cooler than normal month on Earth.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    MTU February 28th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Can someone please tell me how good Adam Warren is so I know what to do with him ?
    ///

    You’ve seen him pitch by now? Just don’t let them see too much of him. He’s a long reliever, E-starter, I would say.

  121. UnKnown February 28th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Robbie looked like he still had that swing yesterday. Just rips a first pitch line drive to CF.

  122. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    braeburn -

    I didn’t really like McCann, so to me he is just Mr. Upgrade at Catcher. I hope he does well for the Yankees.

    As to Ellsbury, he’s a guy I was also iffy about, and didn’t really see the need for another CF if they were keeping Gardner. But then, I assumed (oh, well, you know what they say) they’d work things out with Cano, and I also thought they might consider keeping Granderson (but that boat sailed early enough so that I had to get over that real quickly).

    In some ways, I see they were handcuffed – ARod’s situation was not crystal clear, Jeter and Teixeira – well, not much you can do about them this season but hope they have good seasons. Even if they had an inkling they weren’t going to be able to keep Cano, who was available as a FA? Because they sure as heck didn’t have enough to trade for one (assuming one could have been made available for the right package – well, the Yankees don’t have the right package for anyone nearing Cano’s abilities).

    This is, again, a transition year, like it or not.

    I am excited to see what this team can do, because it is quite different from last year. Or maybe curious is a better word, and guardedly excited?

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Yankees have a plan.

    It’s just that some don’t like it.

    If the Farm hadn’t have failed again they would not have had a need to spend like drunken sailors this OS.
    ///

    What’s the plan?

    If the farm is such a failure, why is it part of Hal’s “plan” to retain the General Manager indefinitely?

  124. Hankflorida February 28th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Depending how you build your team, third base can be vary in the type of player that you need. During the DiMag and Mantle eras, third basemen were good fielders and table setters, but since the Yankee team this year has less power in the outfield, third base should be a power position. Johnson did hit sixteen home runs with Tampa and should do better at the Stadium. Murphy, Romaine and Sanchez do not fit the mold of the Yankee catchers but McCaan does as a left handed bat with power. A trade is is in order for Jeter’s replacement.

  125. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    - Blojaldo -

    What do you think “Global” means?

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    UnKnown February 28th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Robbie looked like he still had that swing yesterday. Just rips a first pitch line drive to CF.
    ///

    I guess he didn’t lose it by changing time zones, then? ;)

  127. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    JAP-

    I keep wondering what he is ?

    Since he has had very little chance to start it’s kind of hard to know isn’t it ?

    Overall I would say his stuff is as good or even slightly better than Phelp’s.

    We don’t need 2 Ramiro Mendoza types.

    He’s being wasted in the Pen. He might be a nice trade piece if we could establish his true value but we’re not.

    I really would like to know what he’s capable of. I just don’t have enough info. to judge.

  128. Doreen February 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Not extending players made sense when you knew you could and would outbid anyone else and didn’t care about the tax implications so much. And the players on the Yankees who hit free agency knew it, too, that they could test the FA waters and still have know that the Yankees would not be outbid to get them back.

    Different landscape dictates a different approach.

  129. AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Overall I would say his stuff is as good or even slightly better than Phelp’s.

    =========================================

    Phelps is pretty much a long man/#6 starter too.

  130. Ys Guy February 28th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Willie Randolph was just on Wfan. He blamed Billy Martin for the big blowup with Reggie in Boston, said Reggie wasn’t going to get to the ball that sparked it and noted that it was a day game after a night game and ‘maybe Billy didn’t have enough time to recover from the night before.’

  131. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    “If the Farm hadn’t have failed again they would not have had a need to spend like drunken sailors this OS.”

    How did the farm fail? They signed a CF; they had CF’s in spades: Gardner, the farm produced and traded AJax, so farm didn’t fail here. At catcher, they could have resigned Martin (I wasn’t a fan of his, but he would have cost less), and then worked in JR or had Cervy as backup, and Beltran was at least only a 3 year deal (better at 2, and better if we had signed him long ago, but we didn’t). Could have also given Zoilo a shot, but they didn’t. Instead their plan was to not extend and then dump Cano and retool at positions that they didn’t necessarily need to fill. McCann would have been a good sign if we still had Cano. They traded their best farm trade chip for a player who has never pitched for us. They blew it on Darvish, but luckily Tanaka was posted this year. And on that we all agree, we should have and did go all in.

  132. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    JAP-

    I can’t answer for Hal.

    There is plenty of blame to go around but also some real health issues.

    Why are so many of our guys getting injured ?

    That may not be cashman’s fault.

    It might be just bad luck, or it might rest more squarely on Newman’s shoulders since he oversees the operation of the MiLB’s.

    I have been calling for his head for a long time.

    If there were one guys I would eliminate in a heartbeat it would be him.

    I would clean house down there. But that is just me.

    I’m hoping Patterson is a step in the right direction.

  133. DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I like the way Billy did the Drill Bit Taylor, “Hold Me Back” routine in the dugout. Hilarious

  134. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Unknown, Robi’s also mentoring the Seattle kids. Has Smoak working on staying inside the ball. I think Robi will be a good influence on all the young hitters, many including Montero, who changed their approaches but seem to be going back to their 2011 mechanics (Ackley also, who I think will be more like second half Ackley…)

    Doreen, the landscape changed 3 years ago, so it is good to see we finally are realizing the value of extending players. Need to do it even earlier in the future, once we have young in their prime players again….

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Overall I would say his stuff is as good or even slightly better than Phelp’s.
    ///

    He throws a little harder, but otherwise I don’t think so, at this point. Phelps is harder to square up and appears to have more weapons.

    Warren in small doses is best, I would say. I don’t really give him much thought because I just don’t think he’s all that good a pitcher.

  136. yanks61 February 28th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    DONNYBROOK February 28th, 2014 at 11:07 am
    Global “warming”? I can tell you in the South, last Summer was Cooler, and we know about the Winter.

    Donny, you’re confusing local weather with worldwide weather. Here in France we’re having the mildest winter on record, breaking a record that goes back over 100 years. The UK and the Benelux countries are pretty much in the same situation and, like us, are having an enormous amount of rain this winter, as well as coastal storms that have caused quite a bit of damage.

    The fact is that the average temperature of the earth has been above normal for nearly 30 years now. The result is new weather patterns everywhere. I believe the U.S. west coast, for example, is hurting with drought. The same appears to be true in other parts of the world. There is global warming and it is producing climate change which it is affecting different parts of the world differently.

  137. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Patterson loves the cutter. I am not too thrilled with him having everyone who is in the minors learning that pitch. Hughes relied way too much on it… Should have been using the changeup instead.

  138. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    AAA-

    I don’t agree with that assessment.

    That is just how the Yankees have chosen to use Phelps.

    He’s a victim of his own versatility IMO.

    The Yankees like the idea of Ramiro Mendoza’ing him.

    That does not mean that is all he is capable of.

    I think he is at least a solid #5 type. Probably a little more.

    It’s unlikely the Yankees will utilize him any differently though.

    He can be successful in multiple roles. Not all guys can do that.

    They like it.

  139. UnKnown February 28th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    FO is always right. You guys best not forget that. :lol:

  140. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Speaking of square up, Abe has always squared up to the ball better than Gardner, so I didn’t really like that comparison on the hitting side, although am looking at Gardner to continue his more level, LD-generating swing from last season…

  141. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    squared up the ball* should read…

  142. blake February 28th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    If Phelps threw like 3 mph harder he’d be really good…..he has some weapons and he can really manipulate the ball and make his fastball move both ways…..it’s just that he’s doing it at 89 mph with his 2 seamer and like 84 with his cutter. He’s a guy that velocity really limits his ceiling IMO…..He’s an asset to the team though in whatever role he is in……I like him as a swing man personally…..spot starter….long reliever….short reliever…..kinda a utility pitcher.

  143. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    YF-

    I showed itself to be a failure when they needed replacement players last year after all the injuries and the cupboard was bare.

    It exposed the Farm.

    Personally, I think a lot of the problem is bad luck but some of it is just poor decision making and development.

    I’m hoping after this year’s reset the next evaluation will be better.

    It almost has to be.

  144. blake February 28th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    “He’s a victim of his own versatility IMO.”

    I agree with this and it’s probably why he’ll end up in the bullpen……because the Yanks know he can do it and have value there. If Pineda is healthy he’s gonna be the 5th starter I think……this is one of those rigged competitions they have every year.

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    It might be just bad luck, or it might rest more squarely on Newman’s shoulders since he oversees the operation of the MiLB’s.

    I have been calling for his head for a long time.
    ///

    I think harping on Newman is kind of strange, honestly. Cashman hasn’t produced a single position player in prime years who he’ll be putting in his everyday lineup this season; that must make the Yankees fairly unique in baseball, and not in a good way.

    Cashman continues to trade away young bats, and seems capable of writing checks and nothing else; checks that become necessary to write because he can’t bring the goods from the system.

    Newman answers to Brian Cashman. What’s he still doing at the helm of the New York Yankees?? And if he’s such a eunuch, with his hands tied behind his back as every apologist keeps saying, then what’s so special about him that he has to wear the ceremonial GM’s hat?

  146. AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    MTU:

    We’ll have to agree to disagree. Nothing in anything I’ve seen says anything more than extra starter. Stuff is ordinary. Not a bad guy to have around in case you need someone for a 5-10 start spell due to injury, but that’s about it.

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    UnKnown February 28th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    FO is always right. You guys best not forget that. :lol:
    ///

    Until someone fires them, then it’ll be “it was time for a change.” ;)

  148. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    JAP-

    I don’t have enough data on Warren.

    Perhaps you do.

    I don’t have a conclusion on him based on how little opportunity he was given to start.

    Anyway, the Yankees appear to have no interest in him other than as a middle reliever.

    Might be accurate. Might be a waste. I have no idea. Don’t see how they could either.

  149. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    I hope the Diamondbacks and Yankees can work out a deal. It seems they are a perfect fit with Arizona needing a good young catcher which we have plenty of and the Yankees needing a good young middle infielder, something Arizona has in spades.

    I am confident Cashman will get something done. If not with Arizona with someone else. It’s why I have decried the panic here in January and February about our infield when Cashman has said all along and I quote, “it’s a work in progress.” There is no need to be reactionary in February about perceived shortcomings when there is ample time to see what you have in camp and work out a deal if possible.

    I think Cashman and Hal have done a great job this winter and as a Yankee fan I am grateful.

  150. AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    If Pineda is healthy he’s gonna be the 5th starter I think……this is one of those rigged competitions they have every year.

    ===============================

    As Pineda is not likely to make more than 17-20 starts, this does make Phelps more valuable to the team.

  151. blake February 28th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    I think Warren is a reliever…..I don’t think his stuff is good enough to get through lineups multiple times and if it’ll play up a bit out of the pen then maybe he can be effective.

    To me the 5th starter candidates go like this.

    Pineda: most upside, most invested in him…..no bullpen experience.
    Warren: best fit for the bullpen
    Phelps: probably the most deserving of the spot, but versatile and can help them in the pen.
    Nuno: keep at AAA for depth. I like him as an under the radar guy to start

    It’s gonna be Pineda if he’s healthy and doesn’t fall on his face this spring…..Phelps will be in the pen and Warren and Nuno will probably be at AAA.

  152. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    AAA-

    Yes. We will.

    But that’s nothing new.

    I think we find it that way more often than not.

    ;)

  153. blake February 28th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    “As Pineda is not likely to make more than 17-20 starts, this does make Phelps more valuable to the team.”

    I don’t know what innings limit they’ll set but I’d probably try to cap him at 150ish……let Phelps or somebody else start in his place every now and then.

  154. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    You guy’s evaluations seem quite a bit different than mine on at a few of our guys.

    I’m glad I don’t agree with you all because then both of us would be wrong.

    :)

  155. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    “It exposed the Farm.”

    They traded a bunch of players who could have contributed or gotten back something. Pitching was a strength but they traded that trade chip for pitching instead of a position player. So, their bad. AJax could be playing CF, Quintana could be pitching for us. Melky could have been a corner.

    Then they could have but chose not to fill in with Darvish, Puig, etc. So, they put themselves in this position.

    I agree that farm going forward should produce because we have a multitude of talent in the lower levels plus are signing IFA’s galore. But I don’t agree that you build your core from FA. No teams do that. It means you get players past their primes and then have to keep hoping players go to FA. It is not a good way to construct a team and hasn’t been for 4 years.

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Patterson loves the cutter. I am not too thrilled with him having everyone who is in the minors learning that pitch. Hughes relied way too much on it… Should have been using the changeup instead.
    ///

    Seems to be working nicely for Bryan Mitchell, though. I just hope he doesn’t rely on it instead of his curveball, because the curve is really good and he has been somewhat cutter happy at the curve’s expense at times. Hopefully, he can include all 3 and his change occasionally for a deep enough arsenal to make them stop with the reliever talk that was big when he was still in high A. If the cutter can save him from that dubious destiny, so be it :)

  157. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    And just for the record Blake, Phelps FB does not usually sit at 89.

    More like 90 + w really good command and movement. I have seen him touch 92-93 on occasion.

    But maybe we are watching 2 different Phelps ?

    :)

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock February 28th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Anyway, the Yankees appear to have no interest in him other than as a middle reliever.

    Might be accurate. Might be a waste. I have no idea. Don’t see how they could either.
    ///

    I don’t think it’s a waste in Warren’s case. He is not that good. They have much better arms with deeper arsenals than Warren.

  159. AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    I don’t know what innings limit they’ll set but I’d probably try to cap him at 150ish……let Phelps or somebody else start in his place every now and then

    ===================================

    It’ll be a banner year if he hits 150. He’s thrown 44 innings or something like that over the last 27 months. 150 would be huge. I’m expecting something in the 120 range for this season.

  160. blake February 28th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    And just for the record Blake, Phelps FB does not usually sit at 89.”

    He can get his 4 seamer higher than that….but I was talking about his 2 seam

  161. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Pineda is the #5 we covet. He obviously has more upside than any of the others, assuming he can reach and maintain his velo. Slider looked good last year at Trenton, but he needs that changeup working. Then Phelps as starter in reserve. Warren is a backender at best. Nuno, eh. Give him extra credit for being a lefty. Also admittedly I haven’t paid close attention to him when he is pitching. I think if Pineda doesn’t cut it due to injury etc., we would add another vet pitcher and not pitch the above, except Phelps in spot starts.

  162. blake February 28th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Phelps can go 91-92 with his 4 seamer but his 2 seam is like 87-89 and his cutter seems to be more slider speed at 84 or so……I haven’t looked at fangraphs to confirm this but that’s just what I remember.

  163. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    YF-

    What you are talking about is poor self-evaluation or bad trading.

    I agree with some of that. Needs improvement for sure.

    But I refer to the current status where when Mother Hubbard went to the cupboard and the cupboard was bare.

    The Yankees are too quick to slot certain people IMHO.

    They might be able to get more out of some of them w more patience but they are not about
    patience.

    They are about winning now and expediency.

    That needs to change a little but I doubt it does.

    I don’t ever see the Yankees Farm being more than supplemental.

    They don’t have the patience for it or the luxury of the time in our market.

    Shame really.

  164. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Problem is that with the velo being what it is if Phelps hangs one, bye-bye.

  165. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
    I hope the Diamondbacks and Yankees can work out a deal. It seems they are a perfect fit with Arizona needing a good young catcher which we have plenty of and the Yankees needing a good young middle infielder, something Arizona has in spades.

    I am confident Cashman will get something done. If not with Arizona with someone else. It’s why I have decried the panic here in January and February about our infield when Cashman has said all along and I quote, “it’s a work in progress.” There is no need to be reactionary in February about perceived shortcomings when there is ample time to see what you have in camp and work out a deal if possible.

    I think Cashman and Hal have done a great job this winter and as a Yankee fan I am grateful.
    ==========================================

    Cervelli for Owings.

    Cervelli is more suited to be M. Montero’s back-up/platoon. He’s ready & proven. AZ hits the ground running with Cervelli….and he may even hit better in the NL.
    Let our ‘almost ready’ kids be waiting behind McCann.
    By the time McCann’s ready for our 1B position – Cervelli will be 30-31-32.

    Win-Win.

  166. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    …that said Phelps is a pitcher and when he is locating and mixing his pitches, he can be very good…

  167. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    You’ll won’t get Owings for Cervy… unfortunately.

  168. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    You’ll won’t get Owings for Cervy… unfortunately.
    ==================

    …add Nunez or one of our ‘cookie-cutter’ MiLB RHRP’s.

  169. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    YF-

    I’m glad you qualified your Phelps evaluation.

    Because I agree. He’s a Pitcher. A thing a few of our guys could learn from.

    ;)

  170. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Towers and Cashman seem like natural trade partners.

  171. AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    You’ll won’t get Owings for Cervy… unfortunately.
    ==================

    …add Nunez or one of our ‘cookie-cutter’ MiLB RHRP

    ================================

    As you propose this, you should really ask yourself if you’d be happy trading a high end Yankees prospect for a bag of fleas from the Diamondbacks? That’s kinda what you’re proposing here in reverse.

  172. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    “I don’t ever see the Yankees Farm being more than supplemental.”

    It has to be more than that: everyone and their brother is locking up players. The Yankees have no choice but to develop their own or they will always be scrambling to fill in big holes.

    The only bare cupboard is at SS. Everything else they brought upon themselves with bad contracts or trades or overrating their O/age. All avoidable. Injuries to young pitchers should be expected; everyone has those. Look around the league…

  173. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    The object for all hurlers.

    The summit, so to speak, is to become a Pitcher.

    Even Verlander became better when started pitching and stopped just throwing.

    That, ladies and gentleman, is where it is at when it comes to reaching a ceiling.

    It is one of the reasons I am particularly excited about MT.

    ;)

  174. Blojaldo February 28th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    The Yankee plan of free agent signings, trades, the international market and trying to develop players they draft domestically is a very good one. The past doesn’t concern me, I like what I see going forward.

  175. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Speaking of young pitchers, good news for Tai Walker that his arm shows no structural damage.

  176. MTU February 28th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    YF-

    I still don’t think that is where they will get to. To having a primary reliance on the Farm.

    Money always was, and always will be, their chief and primary weapon.

    They should not relinquish it and I don’t think they will.

    You’re right when you say that more and more FA’s are being extended, etc. but there always seem to be a handful of good targets over time.

    The Yankees look ahead many years on FA’s.

    They will supplement from the Farm as players prove their worth and the rest will be for trading.

    They can and have built excellent Teams in this manner.

    The Core four was a fluke never to be seen again.

    Wishing for that is nice but to me is a pipe dream.

    Heck, I’d settle for 1 or two like that and be tickled to death.

    JMHO Madame. You know I have only the greatest respect for you and your acumen.

    :)

  177. yanks61 February 28th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Blojaldo, just a quick word to say that I enjoy your posts. If you really are WCYF, you’ve gone through quite a transformation! I remember WCYF as an arrogant, super-aggressive personality who wasn’t, as far as I can recall, a supporter of Yankee management!

    So while I don’t necessarily agree with you on every single issue, I do think that you bring a very positive balance to what is too often an overly negative view of the team (I’ll add Upstate as doing a good job in that respect as well.) Good on you both!

  178. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    AAA February 28th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    You’ll won’t get Owings for Cervy… unfortunately.
    ==================

    …add Nunez or one of our ‘cookie-cutter’ MiLB RHRP

    ================================

    As you propose this, you should really ask yourself if you’d be happy trading a high end Yankees prospect for a bag of fleas from the Diamondbacks? That’s kinda what you’re proposing here in reverse.
    ============================================

    Cervelli was to be the 2013 NYY starting catcher.
    If we didn’t get MCann – he’d likely be our starter.
    Some here see Nunez as a legit answer….maybe AZ would ‘help’ his career.
    I’m guessing we have some pretty decent MiLB RHRP’s that are/will be blocked.

    Not a dismal package at all.

  179. Tackelberry February 28th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Wonder if JRam’s delivery is causing his oblique problems. Thats the 2nd straight year he has developed this problem. and this time he hasn’t even been in a game yet.

  180. tomingeorgia February 28th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Listening in on the Detroit feed. I’m looking for good things today.

  181. yankeefeminista February 28th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    MTU, right back at you! However, I am not expecting a Core Four of the excellence of our previous one, but with the changes in baseball teams’ revenue and the new CBA, the Yanks can no longer rely upon prime players going to FA. If they will spend and want to swoop up IFAs and develop them in spite of the penalties, then that is another place where we can fatten up and compensate for losing draft picks. I like that move, but just wish we had been spending last couple of years to compensate for when the international draft is implemented. That said, as I have said often, I am excited to watch our young players develop over the next couple of years. Here’s hoping.

    Very sad to hear about O’s PR director passing away at age 36. RIP.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sp.....um=twitter

  182. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    yanks61 February 28th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    Blojaldo, just a quick word to say that I enjoy your posts. If you really are WCYF, you’ve gone through quite a transformation! I remember WCYF as an arrogant, super-aggressive personality who wasn’t, as far as I can recall, a supporter of Yankee management!

    So while I don’t necessarily agree with you on every single issue, I do think that you bring a very positive balance to what is too often an overly negative view of the team (I’ll add Upstate as doing a good job in that respect as well.) Good on you both!
    ==================================

    Thank you very much, Yanks61 !
    I dont remember the WCYF poster – but Blojaldo has been one of the most common-sense posters here !

  183. UpState February 28th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEXT—–>

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