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Pettitte: “CC’s got everything it takes to be successful”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 04, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

CC SabathiaIt’s early. Anything that feels like an issue today could be resolved in a month. Strengths could become weaknesses, depth could grow thin, and players barely on the radar could end up playing a pivotal role. It’s just too early to know much of anything.

But among the early hot-button topics here in Tampa is CC Sabathia’s velocity.  His fastball was topping out at 88 mph in his Saturday debut, and that raised some eyebrows for obvious reasons. Fortunately, another lefty who saw his velocity diminish in later years showed up two days later to give some perspective.

Here’s Andy Pettitte on Sabathia’s fastball:

“We talked a lot about this last year. CC’s got everything it takes to be successful: mentally (and) pitch-stuff wise. When your velocity’s not quite there, you’ve got to rely a little bit more on movement and command. And be able to change speeds and do different pitching. And I think he can do all those things.

“I think he’s doing good. Mentally, (after) talking to him, I think he’s doing good. I think he knows exactly what he needs to do. There’s not a big secret to it. He’s going to have to throw balls, maybe a little bit better quality pitches. He’s a strike thrower, but sometimes it’s got to be a little bit more quality when you don’t have the velocity. When velocity’s not there, it’s better to have some movement on it. I know he’s talking about things and doing some things to try to accomplish that. He’s too much of a competitor not to be successful. And he’s got a great club around him. He’s going to be just fine.

“The biggest thing for me is I’m trying to get him not to worry about it. Whatever the velocity is, it is. You can’t worry about that. You’ve got to get guys out with what you’ve got. The biggest hurdle is mentally. So the less we can talk about that, that’d be great for him, alright?”

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127 Responses to “Pettitte: “CC’s got everything it takes to be successful””

  1. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Good afternoon all! Random but I think little Josh Pettitte has been injured.. was taking a trip to see Dr. Andrews this weekend.

  2. Hankflorida March 4th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Chad pointed out that Solarte is this year’s Mustalier, but the difference is in the glove as Solarte can pick it.
    There is no room for him on the 13 offensive players roster with Suzuki, Ryan, Cervelli and Nunez. I can see him over Anna if Roberts gets injured.

  3. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    random thoughts about people’s random thoughts about chads random thoughts:

    the yankees should go with 6 starters out of camp since they barely have any off days the first 3 weeks. It would be just like a nomral early season schedule to them and they’d all get a little extra rest, which will help down the line. Also it would give the team a better feel about the 5th starter since they’d be comparing RS starts instead of ST starts.

    I’m not expecting much bounceback from CC. hoping but not expecting.

    ja happ just plain sucks, sorry mills

    cervelli off the juice? any concerns there?

  4. Vineyard Yankee March 4th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Hi Trish:

    Can you please put me down for ’88 WINS’ this year please

    TIA

    (Repost)

  5. AAA March 4th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    cervelli off the juice? any concerns there?

    =======================

    Just one really. He wasn’t very good on the juice.

    I think Sabathia will still be a solid innings eating guy, more in a Pettitte mode than as an ace. 14-15 wins, 3.90-ish ERA seems plausible.

  6. blake March 4th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Well Andy he has everything except your cutter and your command

  7. bbb51 March 4th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Number of wins = CC’s average fastball velocity? :twisted:

  8. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    blake March 4th, 2014 at 11:48 am
    @JimBowdenESPNxm: James Shields just told me that there are no negotiations going on between him and the Royals right now Sirius 209 XM 89

    Good thing they wasted Wil Myers for two years of Shiejds

    yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 11:55 am
    Yep, I never liked that trade for KC as I said from the get-go. Rays also got Odorizzi in that deal. SMH.

    ___
    Apple, Trish and Juicers of LoHud, I addressed juicing/nutrition stuff at end of previous thread.

  9. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    I’ve been out of the loop so my apologies for asking dumb questions but who is starting tonight? I caught Tanaka’s innings (beast) and some of Nova’s last night. Liking what I’m seeing so far. I haven’t seen Pineda pitch though and he’s the one I might be the most curious about.. has he thrown yet? Impressions?

  10. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    I too think C. will be fine. He’s a pitcher, not a thrower and isn’t solely dependent on his FB. I still see both his 4 and 2 seamer sitting around 92+, 91+ respectively if he is what he was last year. So, he just have to locate it.

    Dashing off to an appt., catch you later.

  11. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    The Shields trade would have been ok or better at least had KC been ready to win. That’s a trade you make if you think you can beat Detroit in that division and make the playoffs. If not it’s dumb

  12. hardwired7 March 4th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Pineda’s first start is on Friday, Shame, and it’s televised. Booyah!

    Phelps goes tonight.

  13. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    I’ve been out of the loop so my apologies for asking dumb questions but who is starting tonight? I caught Tanaka’s innings (beast) and some of Nova’s last night. Liking what I’m seeing so far. I haven’t seen Pineda pitch though and he’s the one I might be the most curious about.. has he thrown yet? Impressions?”

    He threw a simulated game and the reports were positive I believe…..his next start will be in a real game

  14. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    If cc IS already a pitcher and not a thrower, why the 4.78 ERA/1.37WHIP last year?

    and if CC needs to learn how to pitch instead of throw, how can you be sure he can do that?

    hoping but not expecting…

  15. Tackelberry March 4th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Solarte has an advantage over Anna becuase he is a switch hitter. Anna is better defensively though. Gonna be an interesting battle all spring between those 2 and Nunez assuming there is no trade.
    Looks like the pirchers most likely to make it to free agency next year are Scherzer and Shields. Lester has already said he’d take less to stay in Boston, and Masterson thinks he can work out something in Cleveland, where he loves it.

  16. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    I think Sizemore was the only hitter that faced Pineda that counted and he sounded impressed…..said he’d guess he was low to mid 90s

  17. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    If cc IS already a pitcher and not a thrower, why the 4.78 ERA/1.37WHIP last year?”

    Well he was a “pitcher” with his old stuff…..he has to learn to be a “pitcher” with his new stuff…..

  18. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    The RS have a nasty habit of letting guys go, could be they dont offer lester even the discount he is offering to take, so i wouldn’t count him out of F/A yet.

  19. bbb51 March 4th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    If CC gets up to 91-92 average, I think he can be ok. But if it’s 88 I’m concerned. And of course his next “start” is a sim game so we won’t know anything from that…

    Fortunately 4 other starters are looking/sounding good.

  20. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Lester’s best years are behind him and the Sox know it……he wants to stay there but they won’t pay him for the past. He will either take a pretty big discount and stay or that relationship will end badly

  21. Hankflorida March 4th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    I’m not expecting much bounceback from CC. hoping but not expecting.

    Ys Guy, I think that being left handed, CC can maneuver his way through a lineup changing speeds especially at the Stadium. Except for Guidry, most of the southpaw pitches in Yankee history were known to move the ball around instead of overpowering the batters. My list on championship teams excluding Guidry was Gomez, Russo, Lopat, Ford, Key and Pettitte.

  22. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    the RS seem to put alot less emphasis on loyalty to the players who’ve won for them or come up through their system. They don’t seem to be worried about keeping former heroes like boggs, garciaparra, damon, ellsbury, beckett around til the end of thier careers for the marketing value.

  23. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    The Sox believe in paying market value for players….they don’t throw players a bone for what they have done for them. Which is one reason I don’t get why these players keep giving them discounts……because they don’t reciprocate that respect really ever

  24. bigdan22 March 4th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I’m not sure about the accuracy of the data collection on velocities. I’ve seen the vast majority of Pettitte’s starts every year he’s been a Yankee and don’t remember any starts where Andy did not regularly hit 90/91. Sure there were a lot of fastballs (or two-seamers?) at 88/89 but Andy could always get it up to 90. After what I saw from CC Saturday, he’s got about 3 ticks to go to be in the Pettitte conversation.

  25. Tackelberry March 4th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    How old is Lester? He’s only 30 right? I think he’s got alot of good years left, and he’s lefty which is always a plus. Has that nasty cutter whic is a great weapon against righties

  26. hardwired7 March 4th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    2,775 MLB innings for CC since 2001. I’m actually surprised that he can still get his arm above shoulder level.

    The Brewers running him into the ground in 2008 didn’t help matters, either.

  27. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    good point blake. when a guy like lester offers to take a discount then doesnt get offered what they consider a discount, it can get very ugly, and has very often for the R.S.

  28. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    @MLBBruceLevine: Former pitcher Ted Lily named Cub special assistant to Epstein and Hoyer.

  29. Tackelberry March 4th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Scherzer will obviously be the top FA target. Just wondering how high his asking price will be.

  30. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Lester just turned 30 and he’s still good but he hasn’t been what he was in a couple of years now……he was pretty bad in 2012 and although he bounced back in 2013…..he didn’t bounce all the way back to what he was pre 2012.

    I think It could be another situation where Lester confesses his love for Boston and offers to sign at a discount and they still play hard ball with him and piss him off……they’ve done it before.

  31. bigdan22 March 4th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    I agree with Chad about first base. I pointed out a couple of days ago that it seems obvious now that the Yanks do not have a backup first baseman if Tex goes down. It’s interesting that those Cashman comments a week ago about approaching an unstated player about taking that role have apparently gone nowhere. And we still haven’t seen Johnson over there. That makes some sense. If you’re asking Johnson to play 3b, a position he’s hardly played at all in the majors, it’s a little much to ask him to learn 1st base as well. You can see CoJo is learning on the job. I hope he keeps playing 1b when he gets to Scranton. He may not be a solution now but perhaps mid-season if Tex goes down.

  32. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    lester is tremendously inconsistent. last year he had a month with a 1.14 whip (april/may 6 starts) and another with a 1.90 whip (june, 6 starts)

    also crazy home/away splits (home era 3.09, road era 4.21)

    when he’s in a groove, he’s one of the best but his grooves don’t last.

  33. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Tackelberry says:
    March 4, 2014 at 12:18 pm
    Scherzer will obviously be the top FA target. Just wondering how high his asking price will be.

    I think it could vary greatly depending on what he does this year…..if he backs up his 2013 with another similar year and shows teams that this is what he is now then he could get Tanaka money or more……if he regresses back to what he was before 2013 then he will still get paid…..but probAbaly a lot less. I think he could have 50+ million riding on this season……no pressure Max

  34. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    I would like to have Lester but I wouldn’t pay him ace money/…..he’s like around a 100 million dollar guy for me

  35. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    i scrolled up to the post above mine and started reading but i couldnt see who the poster was. but in the first sentence as always was the telltale, ‘i pointed out months ago…’ leaving no doubt about who it was.

    every bigdan post refers to a previous bigdan post.

  36. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Kelly Johnson is the BU 1B…..and the 3B and the BU 2B and part time DH and all around good guy.

  37. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Lester’s not a #1 but I think that HE thinks he is and will ask for crazy money even though he will think it’s a discount.

    I could see him sitting during ST next year still waiting for offers.

  38. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    KJ is at best the 5th dh option.

  39. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    otoh, i could see the yankees throwing crazy money at lester next offseason, too.

  40. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 11:38 am
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  41. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Thanks for the info on Pineda. Looking forward to catching that start.

  42. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    That purple was completely out of the blue.

  43. Tackelberry March 4th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Blake, whats interesting is that the Tigers dealt Fister so that they could free up money to try and resign Scherzer and Cabrera, but theres a good chance they lose Scherzer anyway. Dumb move.

  44. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I don’t really get why guys are so committed to staying in Boston either. I guess the argument could be made that a lot of those guys were a part of a really special era in the franchise’s history..

    Thank god for Manny, always breaking the mold. His cry for help (‘trade me for Brett Farve’) is still one of my all time non-baseball baseball stories (Scott Proctor’s ceremonial uniform burning and Mike Mussina’s Japan diet are my other top ranked tales).

  45. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

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    and purple
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  46. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Tackelberry March 4th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Blake, whats interesting is that the Tigers dealt Fister so that they could free up money to try and resign Scherzer and Cabrera, but theres a good chance they lose Scherzer anyway. Dumb move.

    ————

    It might not be.. Cabrera is really the most important guy over there and Scherzer had a great year but I’m not personally convinced he should be among the top 3 highest paid pitchers in the game, which is where he could end up. The Tigers are a pretty bold org, so they’re not beyond making a big trade or spending big when necessary. I think what the Fielder trade did was give them options, which you can never have enough of.

  47. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    nobody’s with me on the 6 man rotation for the first 3 weeks?

    (it’s ok, nobody was with me on the Gardner extension)

    (thankfully nobody was with me on trading for ike davis…)

  48. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
    The Shields trade would have been ok or better at least had KC been ready to win. That’s a trade you make if you think you can beat Detroit in that division and make the playoffs. If not it’s dumb
    ===
    I think the trade was more to save the GMs job by fielding a club over 500. He wasn’t having too much success the home-grown way and fans and ownership were probably getting impatient.

  49. bigdan22 March 4th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    It’s early but the Nunez, Anna, Solarte thing is interesting. All three look like they can play extended time in major leagues if they have to. I’m not saying they don’t all have warts (although Nunie’s are more obvious now since we’ve seen so little of the other two). If they didn’t, they’d all be starting somewhere at their age. But they certainly look like they can all fill in and you never know what can happen when a player at their stage actually gets some consistent playing time.

    Right now it’s Roberts and Johnson at second and third. I expect, short of injuries, the Yanks to give this alignment to at least till June before thinking about making a change. I don’t foresee any trades involving potential long term solutions to June/July if at all. So for now, the surplus catching depth will remain unchanged. A strong half season at Scranton for Murphy can only help his value. But of course, at some point the Yanks will need to address catching surplus vis a vis their other needs. They just don’t need to do it anytime soon. Excess depth also has a way of working itself out.

  50. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    AAA March 4th, 2014 at 11:46 am
    cervelli off the juice? any concerns there?

    =======================

    Just one really. He wasn’t very good on the juice.
    ====
    I thought he was having a break out year last year before he got hurt. IIRC, there was some talk of him being an All-Star around here.

  51. hardwired7 March 4th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    “nobody’s with me on the 6 man rotation for the first 3 weeks?”

    Not if it means taking a viable out of an already shallow BP, plus we’d have to wait an extra day to watch Tanaka pitch.

  52. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    I think the Tigers allowed themselves to go way ‘over budget’ when they signed Fielder in the hopes of winning a WS for Illitch, but now have decided that the extra money doesn’t guarantee anything and have pulled back.

    There’s a decent chance that Scherzer doesn’t duplicate last season and they can actually save a little on the lengh or money on his deal while pushing off the injury risk for another year.

  53. blake March 4th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    Blake, whats interesting is that the Tigers dealt Fister so that they could free up money to try and resign Scherzer and Cabrera, but theres a good chance they lose Scherzer anyway. Dumb move.”

    I think they really did it because they weren’t gonna re-sign Fister and they wanted a young starter back and must like Robbie Ray. It seems kinda dumb on the surface but Dombrowski should be given the benefit of the doubt until we see what happens and what Ray turns in to.

    I think if you’re the Tigers it’s risky to talk extension with Scherzer now unless he will sign for a good price….

  54. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    bigdan22 March 4th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    So for now, the surplus catching depth will remain unchanged. A strong half season at Scranton for Murphy can only help his value.
    ====
    Agreed 100%. I think they should allow both Murphy and Romine time to build numbers at AAA…their trade value will increase. And the names being thrown around are still just prospects with some holes in game. Not the type of player the Yankees go after. When their is an experienced major leaguer available, they can strike at TD time.

  55. Ys Guy March 4th, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    The plan is patience. I like it!

  56. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    It takes 2 sides to cut a deal. Max may wish to wait until free agency based on the rapid price escalation seen over the past few years.

  57. kd March 4th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    i agree with the lester comments, he’s going to get a matt cain like contract. but not from the red sox.

    i never understand why players give that team discounts. pedroia probably cost himself 75 million. the sox are flush with cash.

  58. Mottsx March 4th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    On CC. I know a lot of people don’t value win as much anymore but he’s the last 300 game winner we’re likely going to see for a longtime.

  59. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Speaking of Detroit.. pretty amazing how a bankrupt city is now going to pay for the Red Wings new home.

    Unbelievable.

    I love sports so much but man the business of it is a dirty, dirty game.

  60. bigdan22 March 4th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Mottsx March 4th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    On CC. I know a lot of people don’t value win as much anymore but he’s the last 300 game winner we’re likely going to see for a longtime.

    ——

    I think pitcher wins, batting average, runs scored and RBIs are all pretty undervalued now. And you are right. If CC gets there, he may be the last for some time.

  61. UpState March 4th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    “…Saw Solarte make a nice play at third and Anna at short. Both might be better defensively than Nunez?…”
    =================================

    Seriously ?

    Kermit the Frog is better defensively than Nunez.

    (doesn’t run as well, though)

  62. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Mottsx March 4th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    On CC. I know a lot of people don’t value win as much anymore but he’s the last 300 game winner we’re likely going to see for a longtime.
    ====
    Felix and a certain kid in LA may disagree.

  63. Shame Spencer March 4th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    It’s still really early to make any evaluations of players. Last year at this time people were already crowing about Vernon Wells being a potential team MVP candidate lmao.

  64. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    UpState March 4th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
    “…Saw Solarte make a nice play at third and Anna at short. Both might be better defensively than Nunez?…”
    =================================

    Seriously ?

    Kermit the Frog is better defensively than Nunez.

    (doesn’t run as well, though)
    ==============
    Kermit’s legs taste better.

  65. Mottsx March 4th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Bojo, Felix wins 10 games a year… He might win 200.

    Robinson Cano agrees.

  66. AAA March 4th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    I would like to have Lester but I wouldn’t pay him ace money/…..he’s like around a 100 million dollar guy for me

    ==========================

    I bet 5/$100M is about where it ends up. With a 6th yr option.

  67. Giuseppe Franco March 4th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Just to add my two cents to the juicing discussion in the previous thread, the biggest enemy to our health is not fat or carbs – it’s sugar.

    It’s not an easy thing to do but I stopped eating sugar, including fruit, a few months back and it has made a huge difference.

    I used to eat berry smoothies for breakfast every morning and it simply intensified an addiction to sugar. I was disciplined enough that I would never buy sweets at the grocery store but put a doughnut in front of me and I’d wrestle you to the ground for it because my body always craved sugar.

    The only way to prevent your body from craving sugar is to eliminate it from your diet.

  68. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Mottsx March 4th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    Bojo, Felix wins 10 games a year… He might win 200.

    Robinson Cano agrees.
    ====
    Clayton plays on a powerhouse….should do well

  69. blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    “I bet 5/$100M is about where it ends up. With a 6th yr option.”

    It depends on who all wants him but Id pay that for him at age 30

  70. blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    “Just to add my two cents to the juicing discussion in the previous thread, the biggest enemy to our health is not fat or carbs – it’s sugar.”

    But I like sugar

  71. UpState March 4th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
    UpState March 4th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
    “…Saw Solarte make a nice play at third and Anna at short. Both might be better defensively than Nunez?…”
    =================================

    Seriously ?

    Kermit the Frog is better defensively than Nunez.

    (doesn’t run as well, though)
    ==============
    Kermit’s legs taste better.
    ====================================

    The alternative’s would be uber-creepy !

  72. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Kershaw might be this decade’s best pitcher…

  73. Doreen March 4th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Been busy, but had to say, Glad Pettitte opened his mouth about the less the topic is discussed, the better it will ultimately be for CC, since the adjustment is largely going to be a mental one.

  74. AAA March 4th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    “I bet 5/$100M is about where it ends up. With a 6th yr option.”

    It depends on who all wants him but Id pay that for him at age 30

    ========================

    I’m saying I think that’ll be the number with Boston. He’ll be done before the season starts IMO.

  75. BoJo March 4th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Time to head for an appt. later folks!

  76. Giuseppe Franco March 4th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    “Just to add my two cents to the juicing discussion in the previous thread, the biggest enemy to our health is not fat or carbs – it’s sugar.”

    But I like sugar

    We all like sugar. It’s just not good for us at all.

    Well, check that. It’s good for you in your line of work. Dentists might starve to death if nobody had cavities.

  77. blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    I’m saying I think that’ll be the number with Boston. He’ll be done before the season starts IMO.”

    I think that’s the number Boston tried for as well……but if you’re Lester do you take that?

  78. tomingeorgia March 4th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Wheeler is pitching for the Mets today on TV.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    About sugar – my sweets addiction is such that I actually went to a hypnotist a few years back and asked him to concentrate on nothing but that. Well he did one hell of a job because the emotional bond was immediately broken. (Unfortunately, I didn’t do my part by listening to the tape he made as often as I should have so the addiction eventually came back.) But in the meantime, which was between 3 weeks and a month, I noticed that in addition to not craving sweets, I was never hungry and never felt the need to snack a lot! Connect those sorry dots.

    :(

  80. yanks61 March 4th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    We all like sugar. It’s just not good for us at all.

    —————————————————————

    Ha, ha, true enough, based on everything I’ve read. Yet my mom eats more sweets than anyone I’ve ever known and she’s as slim as she was at twenty and doing just great at 88!

    I eat 3 or 4 fruit a day, have a small dessert after both lunch and dinner and I too weigh no more than I did in college. I’m just hoping my genetic makeup matches my mom’s!

  81. AAA March 4th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    I think that’s the number Boston tried for as well……but if you’re Lester do you take that?

    =====================================

    Don’t know. Hard to put myself in that spot because I know he’s not a #1 starter. My sense is that he probably does take some variation of that number though.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    “Coconut Bliss’s Chocolate Hazelnut Fudge”

    Just reading those words gave me a visceral reaction! I’m thinking that if I juice it I may feel less guilty!

    :)

  83. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    FTR, I was for extending Gardner (and Cano before him…)

    “yes on coconut bliss products. love them , but am trying to be pretty strict about sugar restriction right now and the agave in them doesn’t quite fit what i’m trying to do.
    … but thanks for making me thing about the dark chocolate bars i was eating a few months ago ”

    crabby, I get that. Agave is just another form of sugar; I am not a fan of it either, but I am judicious. I have maybe one or two spoonfuls of bliss a week or one bar or so when I am eating it. I’ll go on a little spree here and there, but generally not a fan of anything that isn’t organic unless I am eating out (can’t get good asian organic most places, so I have to feed that need sometimes). The city provides many more options, but out in the burbs, not so much, although I have a couple of pretty awesome one of a kind organic places nearby… I have never been into sugar much. It isn’t just a health choice, but also the way I was raised. But again, I am not overly prescriptive about these things because being too prescription is unhealthy and a form of enslavement. Been there, done that. Doing chi gung blows every other form of health practice away anyway. Bet those dudes can eat anything and be the picture of health.

  84. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    trisha, coconut bliss bars are probably healthier than anything else you are eating if you are eating fast food. And they are organic and made with coconut milk not dairy. Another plus.

  85. UnKnown March 4th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    “I love sports so much but man the business of it is a dirty, dirty game.”

    WHAT!?!? I thought sports was wholesome and embodied everything that is right in the world. Principles, integrity, honesty… I just can’t believe it. :roll:

  86. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    tom, thanks. What time?

  87. yanks61 March 4th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    P.S., I should add that the desserts here in France are a lot less sugary than in the States. I don’t know what magic they use but they still taste great.

    On the other hand, every weekend I go to my favorite baker for a “Belle du Nuit,” which is perfectly loaded with a wonderful mix of several different dark chocolates.

    It’s to die for – and maybe one day after eating one, I will. But then after eating one of those you’ve already gone to heaven.

  88. blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    As we age so do our taste buds and they don’t work as well as they used to…..this is why folks as they age tend to eat bolder (and sweeter) stuff……so they can taste it. I used to never eat sweets just because I didn’t want them…..now I find myself actually wanting that piece of pie or cake after dinner a lot more often

    When you combine this with slowing metabolism it’s no wonder we get fat

  89. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Shame, any NHL trade deadline rumors? I haven’t been paying attention. We keep having Dmen go down, something we were flush with…

  90. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Carbs are what really make people fat though…

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Interesting juxtaposition with salt and sugar. I’ve found with my females friends anyway, those who crave sweets don’t crave salty things, and vice versa. I have a friend who can go through bags of potato chips in a sitting but isn’t at all moved by sweets. I on the other hand could easily exist without potato chips, but show me something sweet, that’s another story entirely.

  92. tomingeorgia March 4th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    yankeefem,
    Right now! Granderson just hit a 430 foot homer in the bottom of the first, Mets, 3-0.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    “trisha, coconut bliss bars are probably healthier than anything else you are eating if you are eating fast food. And they are organic and made with coconut milk not dairy. Another plus.”

    You had me at Coconut Bliss’s Chocolate Hazelnut Fudge.

    ;)

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    Bliss bars are the best.

    People like Ramiel Nagel will tell you that sugar as a cause of tooth decay is somewhat of a distortion of the truth.

    Demineralization is the culprit apparently, by way of phytic acid and the lack of fat soluble vitamins that would counter the phytic acid and the demineralizing tendencies also of sugar.

    Nagel’s book on tooth decay is “radical” (he’s a Price acolyte/researcher). He’s got a 48-minute video on youtube that is worth the time investment, I would day; it’s rather moving as well – at one point, he has to pause to collect himself as he’s overcome with how we harm ourselves, with the help of “medical expertise”.

    He’s got some interesting contrast studies to share in the video. Basically, he disavows most of what we think is true re modern dentistry and all but advocates treating your own “cavities” and recommends protocols (which he elaborates in his book) for reversing tooth decay in general.

    He seems like a credible researcher and person. Yeah – there’s a plug for Green Pastures products, but I think the research is earnest and disinterested.

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Yankeefem – that’s a great ice cream (I still prefer the straight coconut bars to all their other products though).

    I would think though that most people who are used to sweet sweet desserts may not like the more serious taste.

    I always return to the straight up bars, although they have an interesting selection that seems to be growing.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    YF my sister-in-law washes all of her fruits and vegetables with something called Fruit and Vegetable Wash. I just rinse mine off. I don’t intend to buy organic in terms of what I juice. If I intend to pulverize and ingest the skins in one form or another, do you think just rinsing them well is sufficient?

  97. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    trish, go over to Whole Foods and you can get them. I think even Eastside Marketplace or whatever it is called these days (assuming it is still there) might sell them. They were getting pretty into organic when I left RI. Thing is though they have less sugar than you are used to, so your taste buds may have to adjust. Still they are delicious, and if you like coconut, the best ones are the pure coconut ones. Yum.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    The “magic” is butter.

    Quality butter.

  99. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Organic is better, especially for someone who has allergies. If you are not going to go organic, I would clean those skins as well as you can to get off the surface pesticides. I think there are recipes such as using vinegar, baking soda and lemon, and water in some combo.

  100. blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Funny that the only nominated film at the Oscars that I’ve actually seen is Frozen

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Granderson just hit a 430 foot homer in the bottom of the first,
    ////

    Good for Grandy. Should have actually gotten something for him, too.

  102. charlestonchew March 4th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    The sugar = evil trend is a little exhausting. The body processes a lot of carbs a lot like it does simpler sugars. Ultimately it’s more of a problem of the body’s load of sugar at any one time (blood sugar) that can be bad for you. Ultimately, the human diet naturally has a good deal of sugars in it in the form of fruit. And we can’t eliminate carbs, since cooking is essentially how the human species developed a complete diet and most carbs are the result of a cooking process. Have to agree with previous posters regarding the misdiagnosed ill that is fats. Trans fats are
    Probably worse for you than anything else you can put in your body–hydrogenated oils particularly. Other fats, like omega 3 and 6 and most unsaturated fats (as well as satiated, non trams fats) are actually super healthy for you. It’s moreso about having a balanced diet that doesn’t rely too much on a few food groups or items. Even drinking juiced kale every day can have very serious consequences for your health.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Should have said, Nagel’s protocols are basically dietary.

    More quality fat, grass fed, basically the Weston Price bible. I’ll never eat liver, but cod liver oil, raw butter & cheese, avocadoes, wild salmon, quality olives, fine.

  104. pkyankfan69 March 4th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Do we have any idea who is pitching tonight?

  105. Giuseppe Franco March 4th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Carbs are what really make people fat though…

    ——

    Carbs make people fat if they eat a lot of them and live a sedentary lifestyle. A person who is highly active needs carbs for energy.

    I tried cutting my carbs down to 25-30% of my diet and I had no energy to get through my hard lifting days. I was running out of gas in the middle of a hard workout.

    Carbs make up 40% of a hardcore bodybuilder’s diet during a bulking phase. I’ve never seen one cut their carbs down to less than 25% during a cutting phase weeks before a competition.

    Obviously, that’s the extreme and not the average person but athletes need carbs or they won’t grow or have enough energy to compete.

  106. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    tom, good for him; interesting to see how Grandy hits this year in a pitcher’s park.

  107. charlestonchew March 4th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Satiated= saturated

  108. tomingeorgia March 4th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Diet talk:
    I don’t know if I’m fortunate or not, but I struggle to keep weight ON. I’m almost 69 years old, and weigh the least I have since high school. My fighting weight used to be about 185-195. I’m under 155 and eating everything on my plate, including dessert. Health is fine, all tests normal. What’s wrong with me?

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    charleston – we have stopped eating out, except at select restaurants.

    We notice we feel much better, because you are at the mercy of bad oils (even in “good” restaurants they look to save money) and table salt, unless you are extremely selective and actually have a dialogue with the restaurant (One great restaurant here in Princeton, is totally transparent and encourages that kind of dialogue – one of the few places we’ll go to, these days).

    Sucks because I miss my more ethnic haunts, but I just know what those oils are doing.

  110. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    Phelps is pitching.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Going up and down in weight is not good for the ticker, apparently.

  112. Tackelberry March 4th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
    Granderson just hit a 430 foot homer in the bottom of the first,
    ////

    Good for Grandy. Should have actually gotten something for him, too.

    __________________________

    They did. A compensation draft pick, Lost it though with the signing of Beltran/Ellsbury

  113. tomingeorgia March 4th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Wheeler’s pretty impressive.

  114. Giuseppe Franco March 4th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Sorry, YF.

    Didn’t mean that last post to sound like a lecture or anything. That’s just my own experience given the lifestyle I have right now.

  115. blake March 4th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    “I don’t know if I’m fortunate or not, but I struggle to keep weight ON. I’m almost 69 years old, and weigh the least I have since high school. My fighting weight used to be about 185-195. I’m under 155 and eating everything on my plate, including dessert. Health is fine, all tests normal. What’s wrong with me?”

    It’s all that pork lard you eat…..it’s good for ya. In all seriousness if you’ve always been thin then you’re probAbaly losing muscle and muscle weighs more than fat…..we start losing muscle I believe somewhere around the early 30s as men and if you don’t workout to counter the effects then over time you’ll lose muscle mass and then overall weight…….if you have lost a lot quickly though you might run that by your doctor

  116. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Pruf, the City is good for ethnic combined with healthy, elsewhere not so much. Whenever a new place springs up that combines the two, I am in shock and then skeptical. But things have improved slightly. Princeton does a good job for its size.

    GF, could be. I don’t currently lift, and I am retired from school-related athletics. When I was training, I never had to worry much about what I ate. Now… I would likely have to consider nutrition more.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Even drinking juiced kale every day can have very serious consequences for your health.
    ////

    Yup. Kale potentially suppresses thyroid function. I know a woman who got really quite sick eating broccoli and cabbage every day. She found out that while “healthy” in a vacuum, both were classified as goitrogenic and she leaned toward hypothyroidism. She kinda solved it through a nutritionist, who advised her to make sure it was cooked enough to not be hard to chew (but still “bright” in color, to retain the food’s qi) and added seaweed to give herself the iodine boost.

  118. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    GF, no worries. I didn’t remotely consider what you wrote lecturing.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    There’s a great story somewhere about chicken farmers mistakenly feeding coconut oil to their birds to fatten them up. They apparently got plenty dismayed when all it did was make the birds muscular and strong – not fat. So they switched to stuffing them with corn and it did the fat trick :)

  120. tomingeorgia March 4th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    blake,
    I was about 175 when my hip broke. I used to be a lot more active before that. You may be right.

    Granderson just hit another one, over everything and into the parking lot. Big shot.

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 4th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    YF, thank you! I’ll be heading over to Whole Foods before the afternoon is over! Thanks for all the tips. Very helpful to me.

    :)

  122. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    “Good for Grandy. Should have actually gotten something for him, too.

    __________________________

    They did. A compensation draft pick, Lost it though with the signing of Beltran/Ellsbury”
    ___
    Water under the bridge, but we should be getting more for players we let get to FA. At least for one in particular…

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Pruf, the City is good for ethnic combined with healthy, elsewhere not so much. Whenever a new place springs up that combines the two, I am in shock and then skeptical. But things have improved slightly. Princeton does a good job for its size.
    ///

    I am just not in the city enough these days – too far. When the weather warms up, we’ll go visiting more often. Princeton does a decent job and the beauty of it is, you’ve got keen competition for dining dollars, combined with all these great local farms. Most restaurants around here use seasonal, local ingredients, so that part is great. I just don’t trust the oils used in the actual cooking process.

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    They did. A compensation draft pick, Lost it though with the signing of Beltran/Ellsbury
    ///

    Yeah yeah I know. Should have dealt him for ready talent. He was trashed here day and night, but a CF with power like he has, they could have actually gotten a decent player for him.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock March 4th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    And yes, I know he’s a COF these days, so don’t bother. He can go and get it in CF too. That’s valuable, and especially considering that along with his power bat.

  126. yankeefeminista March 4th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Trish, NP. I used to live at and spend most of my grad stipend/scholarship money at Whole Foods (Bread and Circus then.) With my tasty food, and my cable sports channels in hand, I was all set. It didn’t matter that I had no money to do anything else.

    Lineup this way :arrow:

  127. Alvaro Espinosa90 March 4th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    “But among the early hot-button topics here in Tampa is CC Sabathia’s velocity.”

    A hot-button topic among whom? Could it be — the reporters themselves?

    This is just another case of the media creating the news and making distractions for the players. Let’s wait until mid-season to see if Sabathia’s loss of velocity is a problem, rather than worrying — and pestering him — about it now. As Pettite implied, “stop talking about it”.

    Can’t baseball reporters see what they are doing? Hello, Jason Stark?

    Alvaro

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