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Spring Game 8: Yankees at Rays

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Adam WarrenYANKEES (4-3)
Brett Gardner LF
Eduardo Nunez 2B
Ichiro Suzuki CF
Russ Canzler 1B
Kelly Johnson 3B
Yangervis Solarte SS
Austin Romine C
Zoilo Almonte RF
John Ryan Murphy DH

RHP Adam Warren (1-0, 0.00)

RAYS (3-1)
Ben Zobrist 2B
Desmond Jennings CF
Evan Longoria 3B
Matt Joyce DH
Ryan Hanigan C
Vince Belnome 1B
Jayson Nix SS
Brandon Guyer LF
Mikie Mahtook RF

LHP Cesar Ramos (0-0, 0.00)

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. ET, not on radio or TV

WEATHER: Few clouds, but really one of the nicest days we’ve had down here. Wind blowing in from right field.

UMPIRES: HP Will Little, 1B Tim Welke, 2B Fieldin Culbreth, 3B Clint Fagan

WHAT TO WATCH: Eduardo Nunez and Russ Canzler should get at least one at-bat apiece against the lefty Ramos. Same for early standout Yangervis Solarte, who likely needs to hit left-handers to prove he can play some sort of big league role for the Yankees. He’s a switch hitter, but the true infield opening is as a right-handed platoon player at third base (and occasional fill-in at second). … Adam Warren will face a legitimate top of the order against the Rays. Zobrist, Jennings, Longoria and Joyce is a pretty solid challenge in start No. 2. … Dellin Betances is looking to continue a strong spring that could put him in the big league bullpen.

FOR THE RAYS:
According to the Rays media notes, the Yankees are going to see Grant Balfour, Joel Peralta, Erik Bedard and Jake Odorizzi today. Lots of good pitching coming out of the Tampa Bay bullpen this afternoon.

OFF THE BENCH: C Pete O’Brien, 1B Jose Gil, 2B Corban Joseph, SS Dean Anna, 3B Zelous Wheeler, LF Antoan Richardson, CF Mason Williams, RF Adonis Garcia, DH Jose Pirela

OUT OF THE BULLPEN: Dellin Betances, Matt Daley, Yoshinori Tateyama, Robert Coello, Jim Miller

UPDATE, 1:09 p.m.: Nunez singles, and Ichiro follows with a sharp single to right field. First and third, one out, Russ Canzler at the plate.

UPDATE, 1:13 p.m.: Canzler RBI single up the middle. Yankees get another run when the Rays can’t turn two on Johnson’s grounder to second. Amazingly, the final out was made by Solarte.

UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: Zobrist went deep on a 3-2 pitch from Warren. Lead cut to 2-1 after one batter.

UPDATE, 1:21 p.m.: Warren goes 3-2 again against Jennings. Gets a strikeout this time.

UPDATE, 1:39 p.m.: Couple of singles by the Rays here in the second inning. The second was hit into left field, where I thought Gardner made a good enough throw to get the lead runner out at third base. Called safe by the umpire and Johnson didn’t argue. Gardner put his hands on his hips — looked like he thought he had the out too — but apparently not (my angle isn’t the best, and it’s entirely possible the throw didn’t give Johnson a chance to apply the tag quickly enough).

UPDATE, 1:46 p.m.: Warren leaves runners stranded at second and third. Following the lead of his good friend David Phelps by pitching into and out of jams.

UPDATE, 1:50 p.m.: Second hit of the day for Nunez. Double down the left field line.

UPDATE, 2:00 p.m.: Nunez left stranded. Warren got a routine grounder to third base to start the bottom of the third, and that’s the end of his day. Here’s Dellin Betances with one out and the bases empty.

UPDATE, 2:05 p.m.: Two quick outs for Betances. First was a strikeout. The big guy looks good this spring.

UPDATE, 2:24 p.m: Bases loaded with two outs, Brett Gardner knocks a two-runs single into left field. He’s thrown out going to second, but it’s now a 4-1 Yankees lead with Betances heading back to the mound for the bottom of the fourth. Solarte had a hit and scored a run that inning.

UPDATE, 2:55 p.m.: Game tied after a three-run home run by Desmond Jennings. It came against Robert Coello, who’s been knocked around for the second time this spring.

UPDATE, 2:57 p.m.: Make that a 5-4 Ryas lead after a solo homer by Matt Joyce. Between home runs, Eduardo Nunez made a solid play at second base. Here comes Matt Daley to relieve Coello who allowed four runs on three hits and a hit batter. He got one out. He entered this game with a 33.75 spring ERA.

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224 Responses to “Spring Game 8: Yankees at Rays”

  1. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    drew/boras are waiting like vultures for a SS to go down, in their minds preferably dered jeter, but whomever, so they can save face and get more than the QO he turned down. If that doesnt happen by opening day, he will take what he can get, he won’t wait till the compensation pick comes off him, that’s a ridiculous bluff.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    GO YANKS!!!

    This team is something special!

    MTU – so far Kelly is showing us good stuff. Perspicacity.

    ;)

  3. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    i c we’ve got the power lineup in there today!

  4. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Go Dellin B!

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Hope I didn’t speak too soon about today’s game. I had only seen the stats for the top of the inning.

    COME ON ADAM WARREN! You know the guy’s got good stuff.

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    We’re definitely getting to “see” the kids today.

  7. Hankflorida March 5th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    When a guy is dumped by a #10 girl, the best thing for him is to move on and hope to find another girl to take her place even if her qualities differ. I am rooting for Solarte to take the job at second and give us some hope for the future. Playing Solarte at different positions may be Girardi’s way of just keeping him around and giving him playing time before he becomes Cano’s permanent replacement.

  8. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    This may sound like heresy, but I hope the Yanks keep Ichiro. Mind you, I wanted the Yanks to cut him last May. But that’s when he was a starter. As a 5th outfielder, he’s super expensive, but I think he’ll do just fine.

    Basically, Ichiro does only three things: plays defense, runs the bases and hits singles. He’s actually one of the few Yanks I’d like to see up late in a close game with a runner in scoring position. As long as you don’t ask him to do too much, I think he’ll work out fine.

    Now some will say, if there’s an injury, Ichiro will start and get too much playing time. Maybe not. If an injury happens, maybe Soriano plays the field more. And as far as Almonte goes, I’d rather see him play full time in AAA than be a ML fifth outfielder.

    Who know, maybe Ichiro surprises us a bit and give us a Raines type of year.

  9. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Comment From Joe
    Thy NY Post says the Mariners are looking at David Phelps. What is a fair return going to the Yankees?
    12:53
    Dave Cameron: If the Mariners and Yankees make a trade, Nick Franklin will be in it.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    “This may sound like heresy, but I hope the Yanks keep Ichiro.”

    Why would that be heresy?

  11. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    i like ichiro too much to want to see him sit on anyone’s bench, even the Yankees. I hope they can find a place where he can play alot more than he will on the Yankees.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    I’ll miss Phelps if he goes but I guess the Yankees feel that they are rich enough in pitching that he’s expendable. That’s if they trade him.

    Oh wait, I forgot that Robby demanded a pitcher and another hitter.

    :( Bye David.

    ;)

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Y’s – configure the outfield for me with the OF we have now. Give me starting and the depth at each position.

    Thanks.

  14. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Let’s play a drinking game for game today. Everytime someone mentions acquiring a SS named Drew, take a drink. Thankfully, I didn’t start this on prior post, or I would be really ripped by now.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Boji, did you get my emails?

  16. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    lets sign Drew!
    lets sign Drew!
    les sig Dru!
    Leat sging Dw…..

  17. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    I’m not holding my breath on getting Franklin.

  18. Tabbert March 5th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Just read the article about Cano wanting Seattle to add more players. I Found this little nugget in the comment section:

    Since 1996 the Yankees have finished a total of 32 games back in the AL East.

    1996 – 0 GB
    1997 – 2 GB
    1998 – 0 GB
    1999 – 0 GB
    2000 – 0 GB
    2001 – 0 GB
    2002 – 0 GB
    2003 – 0 GB
    2004 – 0 GB
    2005 – 0 GB
    2006 – 0 GB
    2007 – 2 GB
    2008 – 8 GB
    2009 – 0 GB
    2010 – 1 GB
    2011 – 0 GB
    2012 – 0 GB
    2013 – 12 GB

    On the other hand the M’s during that same time period have finished a total of 274.5 games back.

    1996 – 4.5 GB
    1997 – 0 GB
    1998 – 11.5 GB
    1999 – 16 GB
    2000 – 0.5 GB
    2001 – 0 GB
    2002 – 10.0 GB
    2003 – 3.0 GB
    2004 – 29.0 GB
    2005 – 26.0 GB
    2006 – 15.0 GB
    2007 – 6.0 GB
    2008 – 39.0 GB
    2009 – 12.0 GB
    2010 – 29.0 GB
    2011 – 29.0 GB
    2012 – 19.0 GB
    2013 – 25.0 GB

  19. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    beltran in RF, ells in CF and Gardner in LF, soriano backs up the corners, gardner backs up CF. i could see room for the 5th OF starting no more than 2/3 times per month barring injury. not alot of playing time or at bats for ichiro there.

    i think ichiro could be a 4th OF on alot of teams and could be at least a p/t starter on some teams.

  20. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    it’s still winter and means nothing but its refreshing to see so many multi-hit run scoring rallies so far

  21. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Ichiro can hit singles but its not like he hits a lot of them now. He hasn’t been a .300 hitter for a while and he hit .250 .312 .339 .651 with RISP last year. He was never a power guy so when his bat speed slowed down he lost the preternatural ability to slap the ball wherever he wanted.

  22. Mottsx March 5th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Joey G and Nixy hug it out before the game?

  23. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    I don’t see Ichiro playing much at all unless somebody gets hurt…..they should move him somewhere he can play out of respect if somebody will take him.

  24. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    maybe ship him back to Seattle as part of this Franklin deal…..they need an outifielder really

  25. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    I’m sure NIxy gets sprinkled with Tampa dome pixie dust and hits .280 this year with 14 HRs in 350 ABs

  26. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    the yankees are going to be very dependant on their OF bats this season. even when someone’s out, they likely wont go to ichiro often b/c they will already be down one big bat and not looking to sit another one.

    i can’t see ichiro getting 100 AB’s on this team.

    there are teams out there where he could get 350 ab’s, imo.

    i saw rick ankiel playing CF for houston at YS last year…

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    1. “I’m not going to lie. We need an extra bat, especially a right-handed bat,” Cano told CBSSports.com. “We have many left-handed hitters. We need at least one more righty.

    2. “You don’t want to face a lefty pitcher with a lineup of seven left-handed hitters.”

    3. Cano suggested to the website that the Mariners re-sign free agent slugger Kendrys Morales, a switch hitter who belted 23 home runs with Seattle last season.

    4. “[Morales is] a switch hitter who’s got power,” Cano said.

    5. Cano also told CBSSports.com that he would like to see the Mariners sign pitcher Ervin Santana, another high-profile free agent who is still available.

    6. “[Santana is] great,” the All-Star second baseman said. “The guy’s always pitching; he never gets hurt.”

    7. As far as Cano is concerned, the Mariners should have been in contention to sign several free agents this offseason. The five-time All-Star also mentioned slugger Nelson Cruz and pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez, who both recently joined the Baltimore Orioles after remaining unsigned through most of the winter.

    8. “If it was up to me, we’d have Santana, Cruz and Ubaldo, too,” Cano told the website.

    9. “That’s really more for the front office.”

    :lol:

    Was that Robby’s say of saying “Forget I ever said 1-8″?

    I love the guy but I don’t think he should be really doing any opining to the press. He may be the veteran player on the team, but I don’t think we’d be taking too kindly to Arod coming in (when he did) and telling the press who he thought the Yankees should get and why.

    Methinks Robby is starting to realize what he left and what he went to.

    Oh well.

  28. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    even if somebody gets hurt I think Almonte is a better option than Ichiro at this point…..he just really doesn’t have a role

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Y’s. Do you think that Beltran is going to be starting a lot of games?

  30. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    welcome to loserville robbie! enjoy the cash!

  31. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
    lets sign Drew!
    lets sign Drew!
    les sig Dru!
    Leat sging Dw…..
    =====
    Fortunately, I won;t be behind the wheel of the car I crash into later today.

  32. Mottsx March 5th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Doesn’t Ichiro hit lefties better than righties? = win for M’s.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Actually he played in a lot of games the last two years.

    Not sure if he started all of them or if he was a substitution.

    *************

    Why the criticism of Nunie? Because he gets hurt a lot? The guy can hit.

  34. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Isn’t Ichiro a 5 & 10 guy with control over trades?

  35. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    beltran played 130+ games in the OF each of the last 2 years, but he wont need to do that on this team. i expect he should start about 120 games in the OF and maybe get a few late innings off when they are ahead. if ichiro is on this team he will likely play late innings defense to lighten the load.

  36. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Trish–just saw it…..replied too.

  37. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    I got my first real six string, bought it at the Five and Dime

  38. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    ichiro hasnt been on the yankees 5 years so no there’s no 5 & 10

  39. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Boji – read your email.

    :)

  40. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    “Isn’t Ichiro a 5 & 10 guy with control over trades?”

    he hasn’t been with the Yankees for 5 years.

  41. kd March 5th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    any word on how soriano looks at first? it makes a lot of sense to keep the wear and tear to a minimum and keep garder in left.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    This is purely based on emotion, but I think it would be horrible if the Yankees trade Ichiro. I don’t know how many years he has left in the game (this is the last year of his contract with the Yanks, right?) but due to the importance he has had to the game of baseball, I think it would be a low rent move for the Yankees to move him. I think he anticipated retiring with the Yanks.

    I also think he has enough left to offer that it wouldn’t be a travesty to the Yankees if they kept him around.

    So my response is certainly part emotional but also part practical.

  43. pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Ugh… If Nuney keeps this up he might make the team

  44. blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Enrique Wilson once hit like .550 or something in ST…..but when ST was over he was still Enrique Wilson.

  45. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Trish–Got it!

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    kd – I think that the plan is to keep Gardner in left and use Sori as DH, and then maybe also to back up 1st. He might get some games in left also, but I don’t think we’ll see him out there a lot.

  47. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
    ichiro hasnt been on the yankees 5 years so no there’s no 5 & 10
    ===
    Not sure that is how it works. Thought it was any club that he was on for 5 years, but I could be wrong.

  48. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
    Enrique Wilson once hit like .550 or something in ST…..but when ST was over he was still Enrique Wilson.
    ===
    And miraculously he still is.

  49. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Betances coming in to pitch.

  50. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    Go Dell!

  51. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    I’m pretty sure the 5 part of the 10/5 rule means that you have to have been with your current team for 5 years…..

  52. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    K

  53. kd March 5th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    trish,

    totally agree. but if sori plays first, tex, mcann, jeet, and beltran can get some dh days too.

    this team needs a revolving dh

  54. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Fans Longoria on a mean slider, according to the Tampa voices.

  55. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    ichiro wants to get to 3000 hits in mlb. thats not going to happen unless he gets alot of at bats this year. thats not gonna happen in NY.

    i think he’s being a team player by not asking publicly for a trade, but i think he’d jump at the chance to be a 3/4 OF anywhere.

  56. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    anyone know how Bobby Abreu and Jose Contreras are doing in camp?

  57. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    GO

  58. UpState March 5th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    dan l March 5th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
    The Yankees are not trading for an infielder or signing an infielder until they know Teixeixa is fully healthy. They will not use what trade assets they for at 3 weeks if at all.
    ===============================================

    Unfortunately – you may be right…

    (as much as I love to read/discuss potential trades)

    …they actually do need to see who can play & at what level (SEE: Tex)

    …and see what other teams may fall to the injury bug and need a “NYY chip”…

    Of course – if they see a VG opportunity – they’ll jump at it….but I think they’ll hold their ‘chips’ to see which sorts out to be the biggest need

  59. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    if Morales will do a 1 year deal then I’d sign him just as Tex insurance if nothing else…..he could DH a lot too. Tex’s wrist is really concerning.

  60. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Fans Longoria on a mean slider. 3 up, three down.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    You think that they’d figure out a way for us to be able to watch Pineda Friday night.

    :( :evil: :mad:

  62. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    sorry about that.

  63. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    here is hoping Dellin makes the team and wins the set up role by june

  64. Hankflorida March 5th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    YS Guy, I agree with you as I would not like to see an outfield of Ellsbury, Gardener and Ichiro. Three table setters starting in the outfield and all left-handed bats is unheard of in the annals of the Bronx Bombers not counting last year.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    “trish,

    totally agree. but if sori plays first, tex, mcann, jeet, and beltran can get some dh days too.

    this team needs a revolving dh”

    You’re right. Actually it’s pretty much the way we’ve operated for a while. And I think it’s a good way to go. Nothing says you need a dedicated DH position.

  66. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    When is the Mayor’s Cup game? 11, 11 Alive!

  67. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    The 10/5 rule is that if you have been in the majors for 10 years of service, and on the same team for 5 consecutive years, you have veto rights over trades. Ichiro has only been a yankee for 1.5 seasons. He does not have 10/5. He had 10/5 on the Mariners.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Well, if Ichiro feels it would be better for him to be with another team for the sake of getting more AB, I pray he finds a way to make that known. Hey he made it known that he wanted to be traded from Seattle. If he left happily then I would think it was all good.

  69. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    we are gonna very surreptitiously win series all year…GMs will look at the end of August and be surprised to see we have 80+ wins

  70. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Lots of 1st to 3rd one singles today. Speed kills!

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    My perspicacity meter tells me that you are all going to be very pleased with Kelly Johnson’s production this season.

    Also, “seeing” what Betances is doing is a perfect illustration of why fans have to cool their jets and let kids develop at their own rate!

  72. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    “Lots of 1st to 3rd one singles today. Speed kills!”

    it’ll be nice to see less lumbering for sure out there…..speed and homers!

  73. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    ON a hard single, I’d make it 3/4 of the way to 2b

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    ‘YS Guy, I agree with you as I would not like to see an outfield of Ellsbury, Gardener and Ichiro. Three table setters starting in the outfield and all left-handed bats is unheard of in the annals of the Bronx Bombers not counting last year”

    Hankinflorida, maybe you’d see a configuration of Soriano, Ellsbury and Ichiro on those occasions.

  75. hardwired7 March 5th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    “The big guy looks good this spring.”

    Betances is going to be an important piece of the puzzle this season.

  76. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    feels good that Joba and Phil aren’t still out there like black ice on the driveway

  77. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Hassey,
    And be three lengths ahead of me.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    hardwired – thinking you are right.

  79. Hankflorida March 5th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    Well, if Ichiro feels it would be better for him to be with another team for the sake of getting more AB, I pray he finds a way to make that known. Hey he made it known that he wanted to be traded from Seattle. If he left happily then I would think it was all good.

    I agree that a person of such accomplishment would not want to be a replacement player when he is on the verge of joining the 3000 hit club playing regularly in the next two years. If Ichiro does reach that goal in two years, would he hold the record of reaching 3000 hits in the fewest amount of years?

  80. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Tom – But I like to think I wouldn’t be picked off as much as Charles Gipson.

  81. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    i like pineda being the stealth pitcher. keep him hidden, keep expectations and hype down.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Hankflorida, something makes me think I had heard that, but I’m not really sure. Do you know how many hits short he is at this point?

  83. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    so far pineda has gone undrafted in all my fantasy mock drafts. i want to keep it that way.

    nova is quickly moving up though…

  84. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Hassey,
    Hard to get picked off when you’re 8″ off 1st. Unless it’s the hidden ball trick.

  85. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    8″? I’d stay standing on the bag

  86. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    ichiro has hits.

    i dont think he can get to K but ill bet he thinks he can and wants the chance to do it.

  87. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    sorry # lock was on. 2742 hits for ichiro.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Ladies and gentlemen – YOUR 2014 NEW YORK YANKEES!

    :)

    Meanwhile, it’s been reported that Bill Lee is on his way to Colorado, after seeing his 1-4 Sux squander a lead in today’s game and currently losing to St. Louis 4-1. Lee refused to say why he was heading to Colorado. It is not known whether he has family there.

  89. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Ichiro can get to 3k, just not this season. He will get there but it will take him 2-4 years depending on how much playtime he gets.

  90. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    pitching pineda on a friday night it a good way to keep him from being noticed, btw.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Yeah it doesn’t seem probable that Ichiro will be able to get 258 more hits before he retires. At least I don’t think so.

  92. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    i hope he gets to 3K but ichiro is 40 and not really a f/t starting OF now. it will be very hard for him to get there. but getting 100 ab’s this year on the yankees would just about kill any real chance for him. he needs 300-400 abs this year. not alot of teams have that available to him but there are a few.

  93. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    Kc

  94. Tar March 5th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    I bet winning a championship is more important than getting to 3k. And his best chance to do both at the same time is with the Yankees. I would be real shocked if Ichiro gets traded. He brings money in and is still an excellent back up of.

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    YF I don’t think you saw my post to you last night but what I can tell you today is that the Coconut Creek ice cream is phenomenal. After eating that I can’t imagine going back to regular ice cream. (Thankfully I’m not an ice cream monster so I won’t be running out to get it all the time.) But it was amazing! Actually, sublime.

    :)

  96. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    GO

    Good job, Dellin.

  97. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    “nova is quickly moving up though…”

    I got Nova in the 17th round.

  98. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    When did Delin pick up a mean slider?

  99. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    If the stars align then Betances will be handing the ball to Drob by the end of the season…

  100. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Trish, no, I didn’t see your post. I haven’t had that one. Glad you enjoyed it. I eat Coconut Bliss.

  101. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    maybin is out 2-3 months and the padres have no OF depth, so there could be a bunch of at bats for ichiro out there. but they are likely looking for someone who can give them more. plus they are really cheap and the yankees would probably have to eat pretty much all of ichiros salary to move him there.

    ichiro and his agent worked out a 2 year deal that got him a bunch of money, which is nice, but that contract could end up costing him his chance at 3K hits.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    Nunie. What’s not to like, I ask you!

    :)

  103. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Through four, Yankees 4, Rays 1. Nunez 2-2 with a double, Solarte 1-2 with a run scored. Speed on the field.
    Correction: Nunez 3-3 on a bunt single!

  104. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Ichiro is already a HOFer in MLB….if he wants to keep playing he should go back and finish in Japan rather than sitting on the bench for a different MLB team every year.

  105. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Bryan Hoch ?@BryanHoch 2m
    If Dellin Betances keeps throwing strikes this spring, Yanks will clear a spot for him in bullpen. Can always use a 6’8″ guy who throws 97.

  106. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    yeah, blake a couple weeks ago i got nova with the last pick in the draft. last night he was taken in the 16th round. i expect he’ll go in that big bunch of pitchers around the 11th to 15th round closer to the opening of the season.

    still hoping i can take pineda with that last pick then…

  107. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    i think the bp will be good again. lots of good arms around and a manager with a proven track record of building a BP.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    YF – it was incredible. Hazelnut is my favorite nut, so anything with hazelnut gets my vote. But nothing I’ve ever had compares to that taste and texture. Not Hagen Daz, not Ben and Jerry’s, not Dove. Not any. CRAZY good.

  109. 86w183 March 5th, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Ichiro needs 258 hits…. IF he could hit .300 he would need about 850 at bats

    Don’t see that happening anywhere… UNLESS Seattle decided it wanted him back for a two-year run to 3,000.

  110. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    Pineda went in the 18th round of our draft….could be a bargain. Hughes still hasn’t been picked and it’s the 21 round….I may take him as I think he will be much better in Target field and away from NY

  111. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    c’mon nuney, just make the easy plays. thats the only real hole in your game, the easy ones!

    other than that the guy’s a real asset!

    so frustrating!

  112. Tar March 5th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Not watching , but psyched to hear Betances is doing well. Seems like we have been waiting forever for him to arrive.

  113. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Betances started throwing the slider in Instructs in 2012 and in AFL that season.

  114. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    I don’t
    Phil will get bombed this year as usual

  115. 86w183 March 5th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Betances could end up being a helluva closer…. serious heat and a slider…. all you need.

    Assuming you can command and control both.

  116. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Will the Yanks let him and Pineda play one-on-one on the road?

  117. 86w183 March 5th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Pineda won’t be playing hoops on the road…. I suspect he’ll be packed in bubble wrap

  118. pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    If you had to pick one… Would you take:

    Pujols – 8 years – $212M

    OR

    Arod – 3 years – $61M

  119. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    i float pitchers constantly. picking up starters in favorable starts then drop them. guys like hughes i dont keep on the roster b/c you can pick someone off the f/a wire at the right time so easily. and when you do that, you end up with a guy like jose fernandez for a start and end up with the stud of the year. (as i did last year). I also got miller and cashner during the season last year that way.

    i did draft . harvey in the 17th round last year, too.

    obviously i had a great year pitching! hope to do the same this yr.

  120. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    Pujols – 8 years – $212M

    OR

    Arod – 3 years – $61M

    Arod

  121. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    “If you had to pick one… Would you take:

    Pujols – 8 years – $212M

    OR

    Arod – 3 years – $61M”

    Def Arod…..even if he sits at home for the rest of the deal. Albert might come back and be ok for a year or two but I’m afraid he’s close to cooked……I honestly think Pujols is like 38 years old….

  122. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    idk if you drink coffee trisha, but wb law in new jersey makes a hazelnut-graham cracker flavored coffee that people go bonkers over when we serve it. it’s called ‘frosty’s favorite’

    i dont do flavored coffee, but for those who do it’s highly recomended.

  123. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    I am hoping for good things for Robert Coello…I’d love to see a Elruy face forkball back in the majors.

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    What did I tell you about the late-inning unknowns? Those pitchers hurt us all the time.

    Coello needs a little work.

  125. pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Agreed on Arod… Just arguing with a friend who’s an Angels fan… He thinks Pujols is going to turn it around this year so that’s the point of view he’s coming from. Pujols at age 38, the age 38 he’s listed at anyway, will still be owed over $100M… That is one brutal contract.

  126. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    A-rod was actually a better hitter last year than Pujols.

    A-rod would be a pretty nice upgrade if he were on the team in 2014.

  127. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    who’s better than me (last year)? i drafted chris davis in the 16th rd and matt harvey in the 17th!

    probably pay dearly for that this year, the fantasy gods can be brutal! :)

  128. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    It’s safe to say that Robert Coello isn’t making the team.

  129. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    I had Harvey last year as well….can’t remember when I drafted him but it was pretty late. I had Jose Fernandez as well as a rookie and traded him for Buster Posey :( I went for the title as I needed offense……dominated the regular season and lost in the championship cause half my team took the week off.

  130. 86w183 March 5th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Absolutely A-rod over Pujols under the current contracts

    Realize A-Rod ($ 61) + Sabathia ($ 76) + Tex ($70) have less $$$ coming than Pujols!

  131. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    im taking pujols in my draft if he’s available in the 6th round (which he has been in half my mock drafts) he had a bone spur in his heel last year, which is horribly painful. he’ll be much better this year. not old pujols, but probably the 6th or 7th best 1B.

  132. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    A bad day for Robert…better luck next time.

  133. blake March 5th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    there is no way Pujols is only 33 years old…..Arod was taking PEDS but at least he wasn’t a 36 year old marketing himself as a 31 year old when he signed his deal!

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    Y’s, not a coffee drinker, but that sounds great. I would definitely eat that as ice cream!

    I’ve had one cup of coffee in my entire life, and that wasn’t until I was in college and pulling an all-nighter to study. Maybe it was the quality of that cup of coffee, but I never touched the stuff again.

    That said, I love coffee milk and also the flavors of cappuccino and mocha.

  135. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    and i picked up puig as a f/a last year too and trout the year before.

    harper came up the same week as trout and every team except mine put in a claim on him while i was the only one who claimed trout! crazy stuff!

    im due to get crushed this year.

  136. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 4m
    Jennings gives the Rays a 5-4 lead with a three-run homer off Robert Coello. Of course, I saw No. 62 give it up & still thought it was Joba.

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 1m
    Jennings’ homer actually only tied the game. But Fake Joba quickly gives up a solo shot by Matt Joyce, so NOW the Rays lead 5-4.

  137. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 5m
    Stephen Drew, where are you? Left side of Red Sox infield – MIddlebrooks and Bogaerts – not exactly Belanger and Robinson today.

    it’ll hurt Boston if the Yanks sign Drew…..Middlebrooks and Bogaerts will be shake city defensively.

  138. Hankflorida March 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    Trisha, you predicted last year that my idea of a power laden team based on the three run homer would give way to a more efficient team which you deemed a hybrid team that depended more on speed sprinkled in with some power, and it seems that you were right. We both agreed on the importance of pitching and defense which the present infield does lack. As I was watching the game last night, the announcers were pointing out that the Orioles led the league in home runs and defense but lacked the pitching to put them over the top. I guess then when you have a hybrid team with interchangeable players at a lower cost on offense, you can afford to spend more on pitching.

  139. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    fake joba. i love it…

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 26s
    Coello’s spring ERA went from 33.75 to 48.60 after today’s outing. Perhaps he’s not such a fake Joba, after all.

  140. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    there is no way Pujols is only 33 years old…..Arod was taking PEDS but at least he wasn’t a 36 year old marketing himself as a 31 year old when he signed his deal!

    He went to high school in the US, and I’m sorry but theres no way a 22 year old Pujols was masquerading as a high schooler.

  141. pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    I see our new #62, skinny Joba in disguise, laid another egg.

  142. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    I picked up Trout when he was in AA and added him to my rookie roster….got Machado and Jose Fernandez the same way. I love this aspect of the league I’m in because you sorta have a farm system…..

  143. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    eric hosmer keeps getting picked ahead of pujols in drafts this year.

    someone’s hyping the guy up big time.

    don’t buy the hype, adrian gozalez and pujols being drafted after him is a joke!

  144. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    Betances CB is actually his best pitch. Change is pretty good too but doubt we’ll see it now that he is a RP.

    Heading out, but yeah, Trish if it is Coconut Bliss (not Creek) you are eating, it is great (and dairyless) ice cream. Coconut rocks! Later.

  145. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    “He went to high school in the US, and I’m sorry but theres no way a 22 year old Pujols was masquerading as a high schooler.”

    maybe….he looks old though. I know he’s had injuries but I think it’s pretty unusual for him to go from being as good as he was to what he is now in his early 30′s…..for the most part the greatest of greats haven’t declined that quickly.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Hankflorida, I think we are going to get a little bit of everything when it comes to hitting, and that’s a good thing. But I’m thinking that our pitching this season will definitely be our piece de resistance!

  147. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Joba was throwing like 88 in his first outing…..now sure about today.

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    YF – just checked. Definitely Coconut Bliss.

    :)

  149. 86w183 March 5th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    “He went to high school in the US, and I’m sorry but there’s no way a 22-year-old Pujols was masquerading as a high schooler.”

    *************************************************************************

    I don’t see why not.

    Stockard Channing (33), Olivia Newton John (30) and John Travolta (24) all passed for high schoolers in “Grease”

  150. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
    Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 5m
    Stephen Drew, where are you? Left side of Red Sox infield – MIddlebrooks and Bogaerts – not exactly Belanger and Robinson today.

    it’ll hurt Boston if the Yanks sign Drew…..Middlebrooks and Bogaerts will be shake city defensively.
    ===
    Cheers everyone!

  151. Mordot11 March 5th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    Go Coello go!

  152. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    maybe….he looks old though.

    Yea but that could just be bad genes. Theres plenty of people who go bald in their 20s and aren’t lying about their age. He has had injuries that really affect hitters, wrist and foot injuries. Its just entirely possible that Pujols is not the greatest of the great. There are lots of guys who had amazing early careers and fell off.

    And who knows, with his foot healthy maybe he has a big year.

  153. pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    When Joba is all done with baseball he should get into Slam Ball

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJv56MnJkmI

    I would watch a game or 2 if Joba was playing

  154. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    yf i think the change is betances best pitch. at least when i’ve seen him. guys go back staring at him with the wierdo look after he whiffs them on it, he hides it so well.

    maybe i just havent seen him with the good yakker.

  155. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Bojo,
    I’m in your game. Nap time approaching!

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Today is the first day of Lent and I am giving up all sweets. The only reason I’m announcing it is that if I don’t, I have plausible deniability and free license to go over to the refrigerator and finish the Coconut Bliss ice cream.

    Now it’s out there. Guilt factor definitely a lot higher if I lapse. (Whether or not it should be is irrelevant when you’re talking a sweets junkie.)

  157. Tar March 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    “He went to high school in the US, and I’m sorry but theres no way a 22 year old Pujols was masquerading as a high schooler.”

    That’s exactly what Cameron Crowe did when he wrote Fast times at Ridgemont high. I know not the same thing, but that book has special meaning to me. Catch everybody later

  158. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
    When Joba is all done with baseball he should get into Slam Ball
    ————————————————-
    …tempted to make a joke about that happening later this summer, but ill be nice.

    Here’s hoping Joba does well against the teams we want the Tigers to beat,

    and hoping he’ll be Joba against the teams we want to beat the Tigers this year!

  159. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    It would be great if Delin pitched a year in relief and eventually became a starter. Top of rotation stuff if he can command it.

  160. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    “Its just entirely possible that Pujols is not the greatest of the great. There are lots of guys who had amazing early careers and fell off.””

    there haven’t been many as good as him in their 20s…….from age 21-30 he OPS’d over 1 in 8 of those 10 seasons and the 2 he didn’t he was .997 and .955. Average OPS of 1.050 over those 10 seasons.

  161. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    It would be great if Delin pitched a year in relief and eventually became a starter. Top of rotation stuff if he can command it.

    He’s done as a starter

  162. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
    Bojo,
    I’m in your game. Nap time approaching!

    I know that feeling….more and more it seems.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Where did we get this guy Coello, and why?

  164. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
    It would be great if Delin pitched a year in relief and eventually became a starter. Top of rotation stuff if he can command it.

    He’s done as a starter
    —–
    Not necessarily.. .Sometimes it takes tall pitchers longer to get consistent. Randy Johnson developed late for example. Getting time in relief is also a good way to break into majors. many have done it that way.

  165. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:17 pm
    Where did we get this guy Coello, and why?
    —-
    Corella has a great forkball that is like an 80mph+ knuckle ball. He has been a good prospect with Red Sox and pitched well for Angels…a good risk to sign on a minor league deal. I believe he is coming off an injury, but was pitching very well before he went down.

  166. 86w183 March 5th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    I’m done….. back in the morning

  167. yankeefeminista March 5th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Rays would/could make Dellin a starter. Bet even Aldred and Gil could. He was succeeding when they converted him to the RP b/c of the supposed last option. Fail. Later.

  168. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Not necessarily.. .Sometimes it takes tall pitchers longer to get consistent. Randy Johnson developed late for example. Getting time in relief is also a good way to break into majors. many have done it that way.

    Dude he’s 25 years old and already spent 7 years in the minors as a starter. He was a full time starter for the last time in 2012 and had a 6.39 ERA in AAA.

  169. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Oh my bad Betances will be 26 in a few weeks. Also last time he was a starter he had 8.32 BB/9 … he just doesn’t have the command or consistency to start games.

  170. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Sometimes it takes tall pitchers longer to get consistent. Randy Johnson developed late for example.

    Randy Johnson is not really a comparable to Betances. RJ destroyed the minor leagues and had 1 poor season his first year as a starter in the majors. He was then basically good from that point on. Randy Johnson had 1 bad year in his first 15 professional seasons including the minors.

    Betances has trouble starting *in the minors*. If he relieves this season that will be 2 straight years with limited innings which makes him moving to the rotation not probable.

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 5th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Okay, Boje. Well I hope Coello gets his stuff back.

    Catch you all later.

    :)

  172. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Randy Johnson was 29 when he finally figured it out. 25 is still young.

  173. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Randy Johnson was 29 when he finally figured it out. 25 is still young.

    No he wasn’t. That was when he stopped walking lots of guys. He had already figured out how to get batters out and be a major league starter by that point.

  174. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    JF–RJ was a wild pitcher until he meet with Nolan Ryan and changed his stride. Then his WHIP went much lower and he started to dominate.

  175. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
    Randy Johnson was 29 when he finally figured it out. 25 is still young.

    No he wasn’t. That was when he stopped walking lots of guys. He had already figured out how to get batters out and be a major league starter by that point.
    ===
    That;s my definition of him breaking out…when his WHIP dropped.

  176. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Betances has way more problems than RJ did. Its not like he is already a starting pitcher that is effective but walks lots of guys. If that were the case, sure we could say maybe he figures it out like RJ did. But he has to figure out how to stay healthy, how to pitch lots of innings, how to get out batters, how to strike out advanced hitters.

    RJ is absolutely not a comparable pitcher to Betances. RJ was amazing in the minors and was effective very quickly into his MLB career.

  177. tomingeorgia March 5th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Jerkface,
    How many years did it take Koufax to go from ordinary to great? Not comparing, just asking.

  178. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Its impossible for a team to wait until Betances turns 29 just in the hopes that he can even start at all. Randy Johnson could pitch in the majors from 25-29 at an effective level. He had 129 starts in the majors. Betances cannot even start in AAA.

  179. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Stranger things have happened then Betances becoming a starter again.

    But that’s unlikely with the Yankees.

  180. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Johnson’s first winning season was at 26 IIRC. Still older than Delin.

    Yes, Delin would have to build up innings, but him gaining confidence in MLB and getting perhaps 85 innings this year would be a good developmental base. Look at CJ Wilson as another comparison.

  181. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Koufax pitched from 19-24 and was pretty meh. At 25 he became a cut above and dominated from that point until his arm fell off.

  182. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    I think you have advocated developing young pitchers in the minors to build up their innings count, and I think it is a good idea, But I also have no problem with a team bringing up a young arm and getting them used to success in bigs while relieving, and then convert them to starters. Cards, Rangers, and in the past Orioles have done this very well.

  183. PacoDooley March 5th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Best thing in the game today is seeing Betances once again looking solid. He will never be the player that they had dreamed of, but he looks like he can be a solid reliever. The narrative was that this was make or break as he was out of options, but with an option restored it might give them flexibility to send him down regardless of how he looks/

  184. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    I don’t think the Cards, Rangers, or Orioles do it in the way that is being advocated for Yankee prospects. In fact if you name names I’m pretty sure I have counter points for them.

    Even CJ Wilson was a veteran reliever by the time he got moved back to a starter. Which is fine, if Betances pitches well for 4 years and gets out of the injury matrix then make 30 year old Dellin a starter when he is used to pitching for a whole season. But moving back and forth suddenly when you already don’t have the innings is not what I recommend, nor do I see it working out.

    Joba, Hughes, Papelbon, and Daniel Bard are good examples of failures in that regard.

  185. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Based on his comments, Betances has no interest in being a starter again. He likes being a reliever.

  186. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    I agree with you.

  187. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    I still don’t understand how Betances even has a 4th option. It means that more than 3 years of his professional service was not counted as service time, which is insane when you think about it since not all DL time in the minor leagues is counted the same.

  188. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
    Based on his comments, Betances has no interest in being a starter again. He likes being a reliever.
    ====
    Things might change when he sees the pay differential.

  189. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Joba and Hughes!!!
    Bagel Street!!
    Susquehanna Hat Company!!!

  190. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    I like prospects pitching out of the pen to get confidence and realizing they can get out major league hitters and learn to pound the zone. However I’d prefer it done Rays style. Starters pitch lots of innings in the minors then come up in August/September and either keep starting or go to the pen for the stretch and to build out the last of their innings.

  191. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    Rays do seem to have it figured out.

  192. willwill March 5th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    I am sick of the 250′s/260′s hitters the yankees are running up there the last few years. I mean even in the trade talks, they are talking about 220/250/260′s franklin,weeks etc.. I mean this is the new york yankees. Really we want these scrubs?

  193. Hassey March 5th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Maddon’s a doosh
    We win the season series 12-6 and take the division by X over the Rays

  194. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    If Betances can become a decent reliever…

    “If it works, don’t fix it.”

  195. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:39 pm
    I think you have advocated developing young pitchers in the minors to build up their innings count, and I think it is a good idea, But I also have no problem with a team bringing up a young arm and getting them used to success in bigs while relieving, and then convert them to starters. Cards, Rangers, and in the past Orioles have done this very well.
    ======================================
    agreed, i’ve said the same thing.

    from Sunday’s WSJ suggesting the Mets should copy the Cardinals way with thier young SP’s:
    http://online.wsj.com/news/art.....3915263426

  196. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    I like that the Rays consistently stick to that plan.

  197. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    Tex is going to be a problem this year…..

  198. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    But PERHAPS one size doesn’t fit all. Perhaps for a pitcher like Manny, that would be optimal…but maybe some pitchers like Delin require another way…Build up their confidence and control and get major league experience before building up innings (because their control is bad over longer outings).

  199. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    I’m going 87 wins this year

  200. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Betances is finally doing well and giving the hope of providing some value…..lets leave him alone

  201. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    “The Cardinals’ philosophy for developing young starters involves easing them in as relievers first, an approach they employ with remarkable results.

    It worked for Lance Lynn, who made 16 relief appearances in 2011, only to emerge as an 18-game winner mostly as a starter in 2012. It worked for Joe Kelly, who pitched 30 times out of the bullpen in 2012 and 2013, mixed with 31 starts, before making four postseason starts during the Cardinals’ run to the World Series last year.

    It even worked for ace Adam Wainwright—a brief chapter the Mets remember better than anybody. As the Cardinals’ closer in Game 7 of the 2006 NLCS, Wainwright delivered the final curveball that froze Carlos Beltran, silenced Shea Stadium and sent the Mets into an era of ineptitude.”

    http://online.wsj.com/news/art.....3915263426

  202. BoJo March 5th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    I’m not saying move him back this year….my thinking is more long-term. By the time he might be ready, CC is probably gone.

  203. Against All Odds March 5th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
    Betances is finally doing well and giving the hope of providing some value…..lets leave him alone

    —————

    I agree he fits well in the pen and can be a powerful force in that role.

  204. blake March 5th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    “Things might change when he sees the pay differential.”

    good big league relievers make a lot more than wash out starters……that’s really the reality here. He can be a big leaguer…..maybe a set up guy or closer down the road as a reliever…..he’s unlikely to be a big league starting pitcher.

  205. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    That article just reiterates my point. Who does it bring up? Lynn, Kelly, and Wainwright?

    How were they brought in?

    Lynn pitched *160* innings in the minors, then in the pen/rotation in 2011 he pitched 110. Then pitched 190 in 2012!

    Kelly pitched 100,130,72 innings in the minors in 2010,11,12 and in 2012 he pitched 100 more innings in the majors. Thats progression.

    Wainwright pitched *180* innings in the minors, went to the pen for close to a 100 innings, then became a starter again.

    I would agree with the Yankees if they worked it like this, but they don’t, and the guys everyone wants to test in the pen are no where CLOSE to being setup like these guys are!

    The Cards know their guys can pitch tons of innings because they are throwing tons of innings. The only Yankee pitchers that get their innings in are the forgotten guys like Phelps, Nova, and Warren.

  206. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    i agree jf, its not exactly the same as moving Betances into the bp with a max of 131 IP. To do it the Cards way, DB would have to do another full year in the minors as a starter before they’d move him up into the bp.

    But I like this plan and I’d love to see the Mets try it this year to see how it works.

    It’s certainly working for St. Louis.

    I’ve never believed that pitching out of the bp at the start of a Major League career hurts a player. The Cards consider it part of their development.

  207. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Impressive game for prime time whom i think the best position is at 2nd base.

  208. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    they are going to need to find a 1st baseman

  209. blake March 5th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    they are going to need to find a 1st baseman”

    maybe Morales won’t sign until june

  210. blake March 5th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    Morales is probably better than Tex actually at this point…..he had a 123 OPS+ last year….Tex hasn’t done that since 2010.

  211. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Overbay still out there ?

  212. blake March 5th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Overbay is a Brewer

  213. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    million $ OF & a $10 IF

  214. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
    Overbay is a Brewer
    ———————–
    to bad..

  215. UpState March 5th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Casey Kotchman.

  216. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    a 3rd baseman who has 16 lifetime games there, 40 year old SS,2nd baseman who has what Nick Johnson had and a 1st baseman who can’t swing the bat

  217. bbb51 March 5th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Teixeira is swinging a bat. Plays first game tomorrow or Friday.

  218. joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    bbb51 March 5th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    Teixeira is swinging a bat. Plays first game tomorrow or Friday.
    ——————————————————
    OK..we shall see

  219. Hankflorida March 5th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    joeman March 5th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
    a 3rd baseman who has 16 lifetime games there, 40 year old SS,2nd baseman who has what Nick Johnson had and a 1st baseman who can’t swing the bat

    Losing Cano and A-Rod left a big hole, and it is patch work time till the pieces fit together. It would be nice if Solarte and Anna can give us some clutch hits and good defense if Johnson and Roberts falter at the gate.

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