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Wednesday morning notes: Soriano getting some work at first base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 05, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alfonso Soriano

Alfonso Soriano said he hasn’t heard what exactly his role will be this season. Hasn’t heard how often he’ll play left field. Hasn’t heard whether he’ll be the regular designated hitter. Hasn’t heard any plan for rotating the outfielders. But he’s been around long enough to recognize the situation.

“The most important thing is to just be in the lineup,” he said. “If I’m in the lineup, now matter how — DH, play defense — I’m fine. I just want to be able to help the team. … I’m just focused to get ready in spring training, and I don’t want to put nothing in my mind. I want to just wait for Girardi to talk to me and see what’s going on. Right now, I don’t control that situation. I just want to get ready to get my swing, working on my defense. When he talks to me, I want to know what’s my role here.”

For the time being, Soriano is getting ready for anything. He’s taking fly balls in left field and right field, and the Yankees told him to get a few reps at first base just in case. Soriano brought a first-baseman’s mitt to camp this spring.

“I have some work at first base just in case,” Soriano said. “But I’m just here to help the team to win. I have to be DH, outfield, play once in a while at first base. I’m hoping (to play) because I’m here to help the team.”

Mark Teixeira is scheduled to make his spring debut tomorrow, but the Yankees don’t really have a standout first base alternative should Teixeira struggle or suffer some sort of setback. For now, Soriano seems to see first base as a just-in-case situation. He’s doing some drills at the position, but he doesn’t expect to become a first baseman. Have to wonder, though, if that might change if Teixeira’s situation changes.

Joe Girardi, Mark Teixeira· Have to make these notes really quick so I can get on the road to Port Charlotte. Truth is, there wasn’t a ton of action in the Yankees clubhouse. This is, however, the one-year anniversary of Mark Teixeira’s wrist injury. He hurt himself on this date during the World Baseball Classic. Today, he took live batting practice against reliever David Herndon. He’s scheduled to hit some more later this morning.

· Masahiro Tanaka will make his first true spring start tomorrow. He said he’s looking forward to pitching the first three innings because it increases the possibility of seeing regular big league hitters.

· One note about Tanaka’s start: Francisco Cervelli is not making the trip, but Brian McCann is. Looks like McCann will catch Tanaka this time around. Previously this spring, Cervelli had been getting most of the reps with Tanaka.

· Pitchers Manny Barreda and Caleb Cotham are up from minor league camp to provide just-in-case arms for today’s game.

· Batting practice groups in Tampa:
Group 1: Derek Jeter, Brian Roberts, Francisco Cervelli, Brian McCann, Alfonso Soriano
Group 2: Carlos Beltran, Jacoby Ellsbury, Brendan Ryan, Scott Sizemore, Mark Teixeira

· Bullpen sessions in Tampa:
Jose Campos
Manny Banuelos
Ivan Nova
Dave Robertson
Shawn Kelley

· Today’s second string: C Pete O’Brien, 1B Jose Gil, 2B Corban Joseph, SS Dean Anna, 3B Zelous Wheeler, LF Antoan Richardson, CF Mason Williams, RF Adonis Garcia, DH Jose Pirela

· Today’s available relievers: Dellin Betances, Matt Daley, Yoshinori Tateyama, Robert Coello, Jim Miller

· Tomorrow’s travel squad to Clearwater:
Pitchers: Bruce Billings, Dan Burawa, Cesar Cabral, Preston Claiborne, Brian Gordon, Chris Leroux, Fred Lewis, Mark Montgomery, Masahiro Tanaka, Chase Whitley
Catchers: Francisco Arcia, Jose Gil, Brian McCann, John Ryan Murphy, Pete O’Brien, Gary Sanchez
Infielders: Derek Jeter, Kelly Johnson, Corban Joseph, Jose Pirela, Brian Roberts, Brendan Ryan, Scott Sizemore, Yangervis Solarte, Mark Teixeira
Outfielders: Carlos Beltran, Ramon Flores, Adonis Garcia, Brett Gardner, Antoan Richardson, Alfonso Soriano, Mason Williams

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146 Responses to “Wednesday morning notes: Soriano getting some work at first base”

  1. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    That King article mentioned the Brewers being interested in catchers too. What would you give up for Aramis ramirez if the Brewers eat a good portion of his money?

    Playing Ramirez at 3rd frees up Johnson to play 2nd. Ramirez will hit (not great defensively) and will turn 36 this yr. So, again, I wouldn’t give Murphy up for him.

    Romine is a no brainer. But what about Cervelli? Would you trade Cervelli for Ramirez (since Cervelli most likely isn’t in Yanks long term plans) straight up.

  2. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 10:07 am

    Blake,

    I think Tanaka is going to end up being a really nice #2 type pitcher or a low end #1. A #2 is basically a less consistent #1 anyways which means I think he can have a season as good as Darvish’s best season but that overall Darvish is going to have the better career numbers. I would not be surprised if Tanaka turned out better though. It would also be unsurprising if he turned out worse (relatively). I do think Tanaka’s ability to make adjustments and his control are 2 factors that could have him turn in a very, very nice debut season. Maybe the best debut season of any Japanese pitcher starting full time.

    108 ERA+ is the floor to shoot for. I don’t understand the skepticism of a guy that throws 92-94 with 2 plus breaking pitches including the nastiest split you ever saw.

  3. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    I watched the Yankee opener, and last night’s Home game also. Plenty of empty seats at both. The Opener had rain possibilities, so I though that might have been the reason for No Sellout at Jeet’s final ST. Last night there was No Excuse. To me, this is further proof as to why Hal opened his wallet. Decline in Yankee Stadium attendance last season, huge collapse in YES viewership, and now this at GMS Field.

  4. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    JF,
    I agree totally with all of that. After seeing him throw the other day I think he’s going to be really good right away…..unlike some of the other Japanese guys coming over I really don’t think he has to change what he does all that much….pound the zone and throw that split….just like in Japan.

    His ultimate ceiling will probably depend on how much his breaking ball comes along…..if he improves it then he could be one of the better starters in the league…..Darvish has more weapons for sure…..but Tanaka may have the best weapon of the two..

    Wish they had Darvish AND Tanaka!

  5. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    ” That King article mentioned the Brewers being interested in catchers too. What would you give up for Aramis ramirez if the Brewers eat a good portion of his money?”

    not a whole lot other than salary relief for the Brewers IMO…..I don’t want any more old guys that are defensive liabilities. If I’m trading good prospects like JR or good players like Phelps then I want somebody young that has 5 or 6 controllable years ahead of them back.

    Honestly Id much rather sign Drew than trade for Aramis….I think Drew will be worth more in 2014 and you don’t have to trade for him.

  6. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    anybody who wouldn’t give up JR Murphy to get Aramis Ramirez on this team is crazy.

  7. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    I don’t understand the skepticism of a guy that throws 92-94 with 2 plus breaking pitches including the nastiest split you ever saw.
    ——
    As layman goes, I think he will do quite well. It’s almost pointless to label him. let his pitching do the talking.

  8. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    if the Nova we saw the other day is for real then maybe they can get by with CC pitching like a #4…..because Tanaka, Nova, and Kuroda all should be pretty good and then hopefully Pineda gives them something out of the 5 spot.

    Obviously though all this gets a lot easier and more predictable if CC is good again……they need him to be good again.

  9. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:21 am

    “anybody who wouldn’t give up JR Murphy to get Aramis Ramirez on this team is crazy.”

    I wouldn’t…..I’d sign Drew and trade Murphy for Owings or Didi and have 2 good infielders instead……or sign Drew and keep JR. I don’t know that the Brewers are gonna trade Aramis anyway……they should be in the race…..I certainly don’t think they’d trade him now.

  10. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    For those of you that don’t understand, “skepticism of a guy that throws 92-94 with 2 plus breaking pitches”, I submit AJ Burnett.

  11. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    CC, Brewers are *(* cheap, if Yanks are hoping to get salary relief on that trade, then they would have to sweeten the pot which I think won’t do. If otherwise, Yanks doesn’t seem to be in any haste to incurred another big meal ticket.

    I see mid season possibilities, certainly not now.

  12. Tackelberry March 5th, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:17 am
    anybody who wouldn’t give up JR Murphy to get Aramis Ramirez on this team is crazy.
    ___________________________________________________________________

    Anybody who would is even crazier

  13. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    prospect hugging is reaching montero proportions.

  14. AAA March 5th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    anybody who wouldn’t give up JR Murphy to get Aramis Ramirez on this team is crazy

    =================================

    Not sure I agree with you Y’s. Ramirez is a putrid 3B now. Can probably hit some, but the Yankees don’t really need DH’s. Plus he’s 36 and probably a one and done. I’m behind moving Murphy because his fate as a Yankee is set (read: He ain’t going to be the starting C), but I’m not moving him unless a get a solid young player back.

  15. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    anybody who wouldn’t give up JR Murphy to get Aramis Ramirez on this team is crazy.

    ——————–

    I guess I’m crazy. Murphy is going to be a catcher for someone for a decade. I’m only trading him for a young player with legitimate upside.

    A player like Ramirez, who can help, but is at the end of his road should only be traded for if they’re giving up something truly expendable.

  16. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Agree on Ramirez being more of a Trade Deadline deal.

  17. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    I only mentioned Ramirez because he was in that article. And, to be honest, it’s probably pure speculation on King’s part. I wouldn’t mind Ramirez on the yanks for 2014, but it would have to be for a very right price.

  18. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    One thing I do know is that Carlos Gomez is likely due for an regression. No 8.4 WAR season for you! though I am not supremely confident in this.

  19. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    I submit AJ Burnett.

    Burnett only ever had 1 plus breaking pitch :) And no control. So comparison isn’t apt at all.

  20. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:27 am

    ramirez would improve this team far far more than drew would. plus he’s actually a 3bman and thats the spot they need to fill. They can get the Brewers to pick up just some of his salary and he’ll be cheaper than drew, too.

    jr murpsy is going to play in scranton this year and be bypassed by sanchez before mccann gives up the catcher’s job.

    its a no brainer.

  21. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    A few things:

    Blake, I’d take Darvish’s slider over Tanaka’s splitter. Darvish’s slider is probably the nastiest pitch in the game. I don’t think Tanaka has the same kind of ceiling as Darvish, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be very good. He could become a very consistent #2 guy.

    And I wouldn’t trade JR Murphy for Ramirez. He’s getting up there, and he was banged up last for most of last season. It’s not a good match.

  22. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    I LIKE the way most are sticking with the J R. The J R Murphy name has a nice Rhythm to it.

  23. Tackelberry March 5th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    “Prospect hugging is reaching Montero proportions”

    So is pining for over the hill veterans

  24. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Just how bad is Ramirez defensively?

  25. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    jr murpsy is going to play in scranton this year and be bypassed by sanchez before mccann gives up the catcher’s job.

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    Most of us have no problem trading Murphy. He’s certainly not untouchable. But you don’t trade a kid like him for a 1 and done player. That’s shortsighted.

  26. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    “Blake, I’d take Darvish’s slider over Tanaka’s splitter.”

    They are both great but big league hitters see a lot more good sliders than they do good splitters…..that factors in to it.

  27. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    aramis has played 100 more games the past 3 seasons than drew.

  28. Tackelberry March 5th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Y’s guy

    If Iam trading Murphy, it’s for somebody younger like one of AZ’s infielders, not an over the hill vet like Ramirez

  29. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    when they ‘one and done’ player you get fills a huge hole on your current team and the young player you’re trading has little to no chance of having an impact on your team, you DO make a trade like that.

  30. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Drew was worth 2 more wins than Aramis last year…..now that was with him playing SS of course and Aramis was hurt…..but he’s also old so you aren’t getting the 4 or 5 WAR player he was a couple years ago most likely.

    I do think Aramis would make them better and I wouldn’t mind getting him but I wouldn’t give up a lot for him

  31. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Cervelli is outplaying all the kids, so it really depends on what the teams inquiring are looking for. I would guess the Brewers are looking for a legit, MLB proven backstop. Not a maybe.

  32. AAA March 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Just how bad is Ramirez defensively?

    ===========================

    He pretty good on everything except balls to his left…….and right……and ones he has to move in on.

  33. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    “aramis has played 100 more games the past 3 seasons than drew.”

    he played about 30 less last year and he’s a lot older

  34. Tackelberry March 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    No you don’t. You trade him for a guy that has a chance to fill another need long term. otherwise, it’s like trading Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps again.

  35. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    how come no one ever says that prospect hugging is reaching a Jay Buhner, Fred McGriff, Jose Rijo, Doug Drabek proportions?

    What? It’s not cool?

  36. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    They are both great but big league hitters see a lot more good sliders than they do good splitters…..that factors in to it.
    ———

    Sure, it does seem that way. Darvish’s slider is still some sort of weapon. I love watching that guy pitch.

  37. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    over the hill is your characterization (and unfair) he’s 36 and OPS’ed .860 the last 3 seasons. Thats 100 points higher than drew’s career OPS.

  38. Tackelberry March 5th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Yeah. he’s 36 and on the downside of his career. No way I make that trade.. Sooner or later this bringing in older vets Has to stop.

  39. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    “Sure, it does seem that way. Darvish’s slider is still some sort of weapon. I love watching that guy pitch.”

    they should have them both…..

  40. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    when you think a j.r. murphy with noplace to play on this team is too much to give up for an aramis ramirez (when he’s replacing brian roberts) then you are certainly prospect hugging.

    i like murphy but you’re way overestimating his value. and I like Murphy and expect decline from ramirez. but it would still vastly upgrade this team at very little long term impact.

  41. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Drabek was traded because The Boss got mad at him. That was knee-jerk emotion all the way.

  42. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    I think splits are pretty good, but the slider is the most dominating pitch in the majors. If you look at fangraphs pitch value, slider is like 9 times as strong as the next closest pitch. So having one of the best sliders in the game is really good. A plus plus slider may be better than a plus plus split since the split acts more like a change up.

  43. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    “over the hill is your characterization (and unfair) he’s 36 and OPS’ed .860 the last 3 seasons. Thats 100 points higher than drew’s career OPS.”

    he’s gonna give you more on offense even at 36 yes…..but you have to factor in 1) that you have to trade for him and 2) that he’s a bad defender.

    Drew costs only money…..he is a good defender and he can play SS if Jeter gets hurt. He’s just a better fit IMO…..I’d take Aramis if they want to dump his salalry in July……but again I think the Brewers are gonna be pretty good this year.

  44. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Aramis at 3B and Drew at 2B would be pretty good with KJ/Ryan on the bench.

  45. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    “I think splits are pretty good, but the slider is the most dominating pitch in the majors. If you look at fangraphs pitch value, slider is like 9 times as strong as the next closest pitch. So having one of the best sliders in the game is really good. A plus plus slider may be better than a plus plus split since the split acts more like a change up.”

    there just aren’t many guys who throw a great split though so I’m not sure it’s a fair comparision…….you look at Uehara last year…..dominated the league with an 88 mph fastball and a great split……literally he threw those two pitches like 98% of the time or something. I know it was in relief but still……

  46. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    The Main thing you look at with Ramirez is the (R) Power Bat. Added to this Yankee team, that would be significant. Still, I would revisit this at the Trade Deadline.

  47. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Drew costs only money…..he is a good defender and he can play SS if Jeter gets hurt. He’s just a better fit IMO…..I’d take Aramis if they want to dump his salalry in July……but again I think the Brewers are gonna be pretty good this year.
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  48. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    im so sick of the drew stuff. he’s asking too much money, he’s not worth it, so later for him. he’s drank too much of the boras kool-ade. Instead of grabbing what he can get, he’s trying to justify boras’s mistake of passing on the Q.O.

    as i said id be okay with bringing him in on a one year reasonable salary or even a vesting option for a 2nd year, but he’s clearly not interested in anything like that or he’d be in boston or on the Mets. so im done with him.

  49. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Enjoyed watching Ryan last night. Smooth as silk out there.

  50. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    i can wait on aramis because the M’s will be sellers at the TD this year. but if murphy plus money is all it costs, i’d rather bring him in now.

    screw drew

  51. Tackelberry March 5th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    I’d sign Drw if he’s still out ther after the June draft.

  52. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Once they started floating the opt out for Drew you knew he wasnt going to be reasonable.

  53. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Split fingers were worth negative runs overall last year. Change ups too. Maybe that is just because guys dont throw it enough but I think anecdotally the slider is just better as a generic pitch. I think its because you don’t really need a fastball to work the slider off of like the split/change. A plus pitch is a plus pitch though, so I expect Tanaka’s split to be worth tons of runs this season.

    Darvish had the #1 slider in the league last year, and it wasn’t even close. 10 runs better than the next best slider. Iwakuma had the best split and it was half as valuable as Darvish’s slider.

  54. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Drew at 2yrs is a good deal for the Yanks.

  55. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Considering Aramis Ramirez turns 36 this season, has only one or two years left on his deal, and was hampered by injury throughout all of last year, I’m not giving up JR Murphy for him. That’s no prospect hugging, that’s just trying to use you trade chips effectively.

  56. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Very interesting Jerkface. Just by looking at Darvish’s slider you can tell it’s one of the best in the league, but I didn’t know the numbers on it.

  57. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    I liked Ian Kinsler wishing the Rangers go 0-162. That man should be a Yankee.

  58. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    sorry the brewers will be sellers.

  59. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    “Aramis at 3B and Drew at 2B would be pretty good with KJ/Ryan on the bench.”

    now this I like……a real infield

  60. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Jerk, I would go case by case in terms a value of pitch. though I would think splitters are du jour than sliders.

    20 years ago, that was not the case.

  61. blake March 5th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    “Split fingers were worth negative runs overall last year. Change ups too. Maybe that is just because guys dont throw it enough but I think anecdotally the slider is just better as a generic pitch.”

    yea again I think it’s probably because not many guys throw them…..or they throw bad ones. There are a lot of bad CU’s out there that get pounded.

  62. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    now this I like……a real infield
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    A midsummer night’s dream, blake. get ready for some prime time!

  63. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    murphy probably maybe gets you gregorious not ownings. gregorius is a nice prospect who might even be a major leaguer, or not.

    i guess if didi can hit in the majors (no certainty) then he can be an upgrade over some other light hitting MI they can come up with for chump change.

    ramirez improves this team markedly the day he arrives. maybe only for a year, but immediately.

  64. DONNYBROOK March 5th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Those Change Ups thrown by Tampa Bay were effective vs the Yanks. When it comes down to Numbers vs your Eyes, “The eyes have it”

  65. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    also ramirez has this year at $16M plus a mutual option for next year at $14M with a $4M buyout. Obviously less than Drew is asking guaranteed. If they get him and he has a good year, they can take the reasonable option for next season or buy him out.

    and did i mention that aramis has played 100 more games than drew the past 3 years?

    drew wants it the other way, more money than ramirez guaranteed for a longer time with an opt out for him.

  66. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    “and did i mention that aramis has played 100 more games than drew the past 3 years?”

    he played less games last year and is 5 years older….when you get to be 36 years old….what you did when you were 33 or 34 doesn’t matter as much as what you’ve done recently.

  67. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    if aramis has a great year he will probably decline the option and the QO and the yankees would get a pick instead of giving one up for drew.

  68. sjb23 March 5th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    I’ve been advocating a trade for Phelps+others package for Franklin for a while now, but I’m starting to think the Yanks aren’t looking for 2B/SS guys right now as much as a third baseman. With all the statements Girardi’s made about Roberts playing time & as much as they seem to be depending on Kelly Johnson to back up several infield spots, I think they’d rather have Johnson split time at 2nd & actually get someone more experienced at 3rd. Sizemore and/or Solarte seem to be intriguing options, but still come with question marks. Chicago’s Jeff Keppinger sort of fits the bill. There are questions about his arm strength at 3rd, but he has experience there, as well as @ 2nd & 1st. I don’t think he is anything more than a utility player for Chicago this season, & the White Sox owe him $8M+ in 2014 & 2015. My guess is it won’t take much to get him.

    Since the White Sox want a catcher, I propose Romine (I’d rather keep Murphy) & Nunez (I believe Chicago was interested in Nunez a couple of seasons ago) for Jeff Keppinger. Romine gives them a young backup for Flowers, and Nunez becomes their utility infielder @ 3rd & SS. The extra open spot on the Yanks’ 40-man roster enables them to add either Solarte or Sizemore and stash either @ Scranton for depth.

    I’m also starting to think that David Phelps may be more valuable to the team as a late-inning reliever, rather than trade bait. Phelps seems to have nerves of steel, doesn’t get rattled, nor does he routinely give up the long ball. I think his velocity would also tick up a notch or two if he knows he’s only throwing one inning. Personally I’d rather not depend on Shawn Kelley, who may have overachieved last season. Of course Pineda’s ability to step into the #5 spot is important to free up Phelps for a role in the pen.

  69. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    also ramirez has this year at $16M plus a mutual option for next year at $14M with a $4M buyout
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    Ys, do you realize how unlikely of a commitment that is to the NYY on 3/5, never mind the pieces or Drew.

  70. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    its all speculation b/c the Brewers will want more for aramis than murphy at this point.

    but i’d much rather have aramis than drew on this team even if i had to give up murphy. and i like murphy.

  71. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Those Change Ups thrown by Tampa Bay were effective vs the Yanks. When it comes down to Numbers vs your Eyes, “The eyes have it”

    Change ups overall were worth negative runs, that doesn’t mean that every change up is worth negative value. So of course the Tampa Bay pitchers could be throwing very effective change ups. Pitch value just takes the outcome of every pitch thrown and applies a run value to it, so outs are worth positive runs for the pitchers and negative runs for the hitters. Hits/walks are opposite. So sliders as a group generated the most value.

    Sliders have been the most valuable secondary offering for at least the past 6 seasons. By a ton.

    Like I said I postulate that its because the slider is a sharp, breaking pitch which does not need to be worked off of a fastball.

  72. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    the yankees have lowered their payroll by $20M from last year. they dont want to commit to long term deals because next year they’re stuck with arod’s money again.

    drew will take at least 2 years plus an option to sign, committing the yankees to raising their salary over what its been for the next 2 years.

    ramirez would greatly improve this team this year, still leave salary lower than it has been and probably be off the books next season.

  73. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    drew will take at least 2 years plus an option to sign, committing the yankees to raising their salary over what its been for the next 2 years.

    I don’t see why this is true. More than a few contracts will come off the books next year. Though with inflation and their revenues they should be raising payroll…

  74. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    The fortunate part is that we can all sate our desires by watching Prime Time.

  75. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Ever since my days as a youth listening to John Sterling rip lazy fans on WMCA, I’ve believed that engaging in hypothetical trades is pretty much a colossal waste of time. But if you choose to do so (and this goes for current possible FA acquisitions as well), while considering the appropriateness of a match, you have to consider two other factors that are being ignored: Impact on the budget and impact on the rosters, both the 40 man and the prospective 25 man roster.

    When you do that, you will necessarily eliminate all four letter word shortstops starting with the letter ‘D’. Not in the budget. On one level, Aramis Ramirez makes sense. He would improve 3b and move Kelly Johnson to a more efficient backup role for 2b and possibly 1b. And his contract is up after this season, leaving 3b unencumbered for Arod next year. But money is the problem. Unless Milwaukee eats most of the contract that’s not going to happen now.

    The Yanks are not going to trade for a young starting middle infielder now either. Why? Look at the rosters. The Yanks have a starting 2b. In their minds, they may have two starting SSs. There is no room for a trade for a starter.

    Now, of course, all this would change if there’s an injury to a starter. And the Yanks will reevaluate their situation in June/July and determine what options then are available to upgrade. Otherwise, the potential long term middle infield decisions will be made next off season. And this stuff about scouts scouting is pretty routine. Everybody is scouting now because they never know what needs may arise should injuries take place.

  76. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Like I said I postulate that its because the slider is a sharp, breaking pitch which does not need to be worked off of a fastball.
    —–
    do you remember Sam Militello?

  77. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    good point. there are dozens of major league scouts scouring florida and arizona right now. and it was a night game, probably the only one, leaving all the pro scouts a chance to watch 2 games in one day, so there they were last night.

    i dont put anything into that.

  78. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    drew will take at least 2 years plus an option to sign

    At this point he probably accepts a 1 year deal.

  79. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    “The Yanks are not going to trade for a young starting middle infielder now either. Why? Look at the rosters. The Yanks have a starting 2b. In their minds, they may have two starting SSs. There is no room for a trade for a starter.”

    you really think they aren’t going to trade for a young infielder if they can because they are paying Brian Roberts 2 million dollars or Kelly Johnson or Brendon Ryan? They aren’t paying these guys anything……doesn’t mean they will make a move….but if they can improve the team I don’t see those guys standing in the way

  80. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    sjb23,

    Keppinger is really bad at this point. Last yr he hit .253/.283/.317 (60 wRC+).

  81. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    As River Ave Blues mentioned in their morning post, the Yanks have made a ST trade each of the past 3 seasons. Someone is getting traded in March, the question is who?

  82. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    “you really think they aren’t going to trade for a young infielder if they can because they are paying Brian Roberts 2 million dollars or Kelly Johnson or Brendon Ryan?”

    The answer is, yes.

  83. bbb51 March 5th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Solarte at SS today is interesting. He can hit a little, can he be average at SS?

  84. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Boras and Drew would have to be extremely stubborn to decide to wait until June to sign…..take your medicine boys like Cruz did and just sign and play ball and try to have a good season and get your money next year.

  85. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    bigdan,
    I totally disagree…..they aren’t going to let a bunch of super glue and duct tape stand in the way of a real fix if one comes along……now whether or not one will I don’t know….

  86. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    “Solarte at SS today is interesting. He can hit a little, can he be average at SS?”

    he can hit…..the whole playing defense part though is the question……

  87. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Is it against the rules to sign a contract where the team agrees not to put in a qualifying offer on the player after the season?

  88. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    That’s a very good question B. I have see Anna play short (made good one and botched an easy one),… his viability at SS along with Anna’s will determine Prime Time’s fate I believe. Since as Dan just alluded to, it’s unlikely they will dump Brendan.

  89. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    It’s important when considering baseball moves not to think one-dimensionally, i.e., whether said moves improves my team right now. There are lots of other factors. Like how much will this acquisition improve my team now? How does it affect the budget this year and next? How does it affect the rosters? And what are the opportunity costs?

    For instance, if the Yanks were do use some of their precious trading chips now (catching) to improve their infield, they won’t have those chips later to trade should an injury take place and a real serious need develops. What if Robertson gets hurt tomorrow? I’m not sure the Yanks can trade for a late inning reliever now or in the near future, but I sure would like to have trading chips available if there was a trade I could make for a closer.

  90. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    *seen

  91. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Is it against the rules to sign a contract where the team agrees not to put in a qualifying offer on the player after the season?

    Buster Olney implied that this was against the rules, but you used to be able to sign contracts that said you could not offer arbitration (to avoid compensation) so I dont see why that would change with the qual offer thing. Beltrans NYM contract had that clause in fact.

  92. Cashmoney March 5th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Patrick, I would not think so.

  93. AAA March 5th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Is it against the rules to sign a contract where the team agrees not to put in a qualifying offer on the player after the season?

    =============================

    I believe so, yes.

  94. Mottsx March 5th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    If the Yankees offered Drew 1/7M Boras wouldn’t take it? If he waits until June he won’t get make that for half a year anyway.

  95. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    I know none of us want an offensive black hole at SS, but it sure is fun watching Ryan field a ground ball isn’t it? When a ground ball is hit to Ryan, he has that Spicoli look checking out an oncoming wave–”he bud, let’s party.”

  96. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    *hey

  97. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Ben Badler ?@BenBadler 8m
    The Yankees spent most of their money on one player. They got the player with arguably the best tools on the market: http://bit.ly/1cutqzR

  98. UpState March 5th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Against All Odds March 5th, 2014 at 8:58 am
    How did this prime time thing start??
    ============================

    Sarcasm.

  99. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    If the Yankees offered Drew 1/7M Boras wouldn’t take it? If he waits until June he won’t get make that for half a year anyway.

    The thought is probably that by June he could sign a 2 or 3 year deal because by then a draft pick wouldn’t be attached. It’s a gamble but it could end up working..

  100. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    If Drew waits until June then he’s risking his contract for next winter……he needs a full healthy season in 2014 to have a chance to get the contract he wants. If he waits until June…..out of sight out of mind…..he won’t have played in like 9 months and will probably be rusty.

    They can threaten waiting until the draft is over to sign all they want…..I can’t imagine they actually will do that though.

  101. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    You have to believe that this whole QO “game” is going to change next year after Cruz and Drew. The team and the players will look at this process differently.

  102. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    “The thought is probably that by June he could sign a 2 or 3 year deal because by then a draft pick wouldn’t be attached. It’s a gamble but it could end up working..”

    I can’t see anybody giving him a 2 or 3 year deal in June though…..likely they’d give him a 1/2 a year contract for the rest of 2014 and then he’d have to go back into the market next winter and try to get paid.

    To me he’d be better off just signing a 1 year deal with whoever will sign him now and then playing the whole season…..trying to stay healthy….and trying to put up some numbers that teams will be able to look at next winter.

  103. Mottsx March 5th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    What if he signs a minor league deal with crazy incentives? Can he avoid the draft pick? Sounds too easy, doesn’t it?

  104. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 11:54 am

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  105. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    “You have to believe that this whole QO “game” is going to change next year after Cruz and Drew. The team and the players will look at this process differently.”

    I think you’ll actually see some players start to take that QO so teams had better be ready to pay it if they offer it.

  106. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    “You have to believe that this whole QO “game” is going to change next year after Cruz and Drew. The team and the players will look at this process differently.”

    The current CBA expires in 2016 so we will probably have to wait until then.

    “I can’t see anybody giving him a 2 or 3 year deal in June though”

    Really? Why not? If I’m a GM, he becomes a lot more attractive in June when I don’t have to give up a pick to get him. I’d be willing to at least consider a longer deal for him. You have to imagine his market will open up at that point because multiple teams will have the same thought. It’s not like he forgot to play after 3 months.

  107. blake March 5th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Drew’s best chance to get the contract he wants is to go ahead and sign with the Yankees or Red Sox for 1 year and then try to have a great and healthy 2014….

  108. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Drew’s best chance to get the contract he wants is to go ahead and sign with the Yankees or Red Sox for 1 year and then try to have a great and healthy 2014….

    I agree but I doubt the Yankees want to give up a draft pick for him. They are already really light in that area after giving up picks for Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann.

  109. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    “Really? Why not? If I’m a GM, he becomes a lot more attractive in June when I don’t have to give up a pick to get him”

    well I don’t think the draft pick attachment is the only reason he’s still not signed….there are some warts there too…..teams are afraid of his health and he can’t prove he can stay healthy by sitting at home half the year.

    If he waits to sign until June IMO he’ll be looking at a half a year contract…..maybe I’m wrong but if teams are worried about committing to him now…..why would they be less so after he’s sat at home half the year?

  110. Chip March 5th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Phelps for Nick Franklin

    Cervelli for Aramis Ramirez and cash

    Thoughts?

  111. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    why would they be less so after he’s sat at home half the year?

    Because he comes at a lower price in June!

    Yes, Drew isn’t a perfect player. But there aren’t many shortstops better than he is in a market starved for middle infielders. If he didn’t have a draft pick attached to him, there is no way he’s not on a team right now.

  112. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    “I agree but I doubt the Yankees want to give up a draft pick for him. They are already really light in that area after giving up picks for Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann.”

    I don’t think it’s about the draft pick at this point for the Yankees…..they have already lost all their good picks…..it’s about the money and Hal not wanting to spend any more I think.

  113. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    “Phelps for Nick Franklin

    Cervelli for Aramis Ramirez and cash

    Thoughts?”

    I’d do both…..I don’t think the Brewers would make that trade now though…..maybe in July.

  114. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    I believe this is the way the Yanks view their roster construction. They realize there will always be several players in their lineup making big dollars. They will either be expensive free agents or home gowns who grew up and are now getting paid. That’s why this is a $200MM+ team for the foreseeable future. But there will always be a few spots that the Yanks will go “cheap” on. Now, ideally, these few spots will be home grown productive pre-free agent guys. But that’s not an option now. So until that option presents itself, you all are going to have to get used to the Ryans, and Johnsons and Roberts out there. That’s the way this team is going to look for awhile until the farm gets going.

  115. mick March 5th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Drew won’t be signed till June when the draft pick expires.
    Cervelli has a lot of value right now and can start somewhere.
    He is hitting the ball hard.
    He has no more options.
    He would make a good BUC here but if we can get something worthwhile, do it.

  116. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    “Yes, Drew isn’t a perfect player. But there aren’t many shortstops better than he is in a market starved for middle infielders. If he didn’t have a draft pick attached to him, there is no way he’s not on a team right now.”

    agreed but even though the draft pick attachement goes away in June…..the rest of the warts that have kept him from being signed will still be there….and those things will probably be more of a concern then than now because he won’t have played in 9 months.

    The Yanks should offer him a 1 year 14 million dollar contract for 2014 right now……I bet he’d take it.

  117. charlestonchew March 5th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    I know that a lot of folks believe this team is not yet complete–and I agree–but I also think that this team matches up well with just about any other team in baseball. Sure, there are questions around Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira’s health, and CC’s elbow/velocity, but I think that the offensive additions–the solidification of the OF (with Gardner, Ellsbury, and Beltran) and Catcher positions–make this team much better. It’s also super versatile, too, with a lot of pretty good players fighting it out for a spot on the team. Guys like Cervelli and Solarte and Anna and Sizemore, Roberts and K Johnson will round out the bench and we’re going to have a very strong bullpen with guys like Phelps and Warren slotting in behind the usual suspects. DRob is still an elite reliever and I expect that to hold true throughout the year. I know things could break the wrong way and we could have a disappointing season, but they can also break the other way (like things did for the RS last year) and we could easily be the best team in the game. There’s just this feeling that I get from hearing about the team. They seem re-energized and ready to go. I’m super excited.

  118. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    if the Yankees signed Drew to a 1/14 deal then their payroll would STILL be lower than 2013……the infield gets better…..Drew and Boras get to save a little bit of face because he will have signed for the same as the QO…..the Yanks get out of the money after 2014……everybody wins.

  119. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Anybody else notice that David Price’s avatar on twitter is him giving up 3,000th hit homer to Jeter……I want him to be a Yankee really bad.

  120. mick March 5th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    I can see the Yanks going after JJ Hardy next year.
    They will bypass Drew for that reason.

  121. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    David Price is a really really sweet pitcher. But the only way the Yanks could get him is if he becomes a free agent. That just seems so unlikely now.

    When you think about it, the Yanks were very lucky that in this particular off season there were so many quality free agents available. They were especially lucky Tanaka was available. I’m not sure we’ll see such a crop again anytime soon.

  122. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    I can see the Yanks going after JJ Hardy next year.
    They will bypass Drew for that reason.

    Hanley Ramirez.

  123. mick March 5th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    When you think about it, the Yanks were very lucky that in this particular off season there were so many quality free agents available.
    ========================
    Hence the lack of FA pickups in 2013.
    They had a plan and do again.
    Some fans just want it done overnight.

  124. mick March 5th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Hanley Ramirez.
    ============
    Unlikely but still possible.
    They might also be scared off by his personality.

  125. Patrick March 5th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    Unlikely but still possible.
    They might also be scared off by his personality.

    Don’t forget he is (or was) really close to Joe Girardi.

    I think its pretty likely he signs an extension with the Dodgers though so we might never get the opportunity to sign him.

  126. pkyankfan69 March 5th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    At this point in the year the Brewers aren’t going to deal Aram… They’ll move him midseason once they are out of it. Brewers don’t have to look like they are giving up on the season before it starts, Hal doesn’t have to pay Aram quite as much. Win win. Whoever is playing better between Johnson and Roberts (or maybe a Sizemore/Solarte/Anna) gets 2B, Aram gets 3B. We should get Drew and Aram but I don’t think Hal will OK that. I’d like to patch the final few holes now but having probably a good $20M or so that the Yanks can add in season is also a pretty nice position to be in. Gotta love having room for salary dumps.

  127. Hankflorida March 5th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    you really think they aren’t going to trade for a young infielder if they can because they are paying Brian Roberts 2 million dollars or Kelly Johnson or Brendon Ryan? They aren’t paying these guys anything……doesn’t mean they will make a move….but if they can improve the team I don’t see those guys standing in the way

    Blake, there is no doubt that these guys will not stand in the way. The Yankees need someone that will ease the pain of losing Cano and not these temporary remedies that may not work that well. The best thing for Cashman is to have a player like Solarte win the the second base job and show a bright future. When the Yankees traded away Joe Gordon, we had a young player take his place in Jerry Colemen who was not near the player that Gordon was but did enough to complete the circle.

  128. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    I think Hanley stays in LA…..

  129. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    “Blake, there is no doubt that these guys will not stand in the way. The Yankees need someone that will ease the pain of losing Cano and not these temporary remedies that may not work that well. The best thing for Cashman is to have a player like Solarte win the the second base job and show a bright future. When the Yankees traded away Joe Gordon, we had a young player take his place in Jerry Colemen who was not near the player that Gordon was but did enough to complete the circle.”

    yea….I hope they give him a shot…..they seem pretty committed to Roberts though if he’s healthy. I don’t know why…..but they do.

  130. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Retweeted by YES Network
    John Flaherty ?@flash17yes 2h
    Here are my first impressions from my first trip to Tampa. Banuelos will be a factor at some point this year. Derek looked better physically

  131. charlestonchew March 5th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    I would love for Banuelos to be the guy who takes over the 5 spot in the rotation. That would be a dream come true. I hope Flaherty is spot on. I can’t wait to see what the kid can do.

  132. charlestonchew March 5th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Of course, it will be later on in the season. But it could happen. Of course, that means someone’s not doing their job well (Pineda, Phelps, CC, whomever)

  133. kd March 5th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    that’s a nice endorsement by flaherty. if manban comes up in june/july and is a consistent 5th starter, there’s a few pieces the yankees could trade for infield help

  134. Jerkface March 5th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Pretty sure Flaherty is thinking bullpen there. Banuelos has zero innings in recent memory, doubt he comes up in the second half as a starter.

  135. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    I wouldn’t mind it if Manny pitched until September and then came up and pitched out of the pen down the stretch…..but the #1 focus for him needs to be 1) health 2) innings. He shouldn’t even be a consideration until September.

  136. blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    The Yanks should deal Phelps for Franklin and then still trade for Owings or Didi. They could stash both of them at AAA and then have a real infield by the end of the season and their middle set for 2015.

  137. dan l March 5th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    The Yankees are not trading for an infielder or signing an infielder until they know Teixeixa is fully healthy. They will not use what trade assets they for at 3 weeks if at all.

  138. RadioKev March 5th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    I wouldn’t mind it if Manny pitched until September and then came up and pitched out of the pen down the stretch…..but the #1 focus for him needs to be 1) health 2) innings. He shouldn’t even be a consideration until September.
    ———

    And improving command at #3.

    And Phelps for Franklin would sure be nice.

  139. CountryClub March 5th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Yeah I think if Banuelos comes up this year it will be as a reliever. But he really needs to get stretched out again in the minors first. That should be goal #1.

  140. bigdan22 March 5th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    blake March 5th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
    I wouldn’t mind it if Manny pitched until September and then came up and pitched out of the pen down the stretch…..but the #1 focus for him needs to be 1) health 2) innings. He shouldn’t even be a consideration until September.

    —-

    Totally agree. I believe that should be the approach for most young starters with no ML experience. Let them get their innings in in AAA and then break them in late in the season in the bullpen. If all goes well, they can compete for a starting spot the following year.

  141. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Mottsx March 5th, 2014 at 11:46 am
    If the Yankees offered Drew 1/7M Boras wouldn’t take it? If he waits until June he won’t get make that for half a year anyway.
    ===============================
    he turned down 1/$9.5M to play SS for the Mets, so no way he’s taking $7M to play 3b for the yankees.

  142. Mottsx March 5th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Its March… and he’s looking at $0 for 2014. He better wake up and start sucking some d*ck for a contract (other than Scott Boras).

  143. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    drew/boras are waiting like vultures for a SS to go down, in their minds preferably dered jeter, but whomever, so they can save face and get more than the QO he turned down. If that doesnt happen by opening day, he will take what he can get, he won’t wait till the compensation pick comes off him, that’s a ridiculous bluff.

  144. Ys Guy March 5th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    remember that jd drew sat out and eventually got a really stupid contract from the RS that they regretted from the day they signed it.

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