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Postgame notes: “He’s taking steps in the right direction”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 13, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Michael Pineda

Michael Pineda’s fastball command wasn’t particularly good today, but he got through 2.2 scoreless innings, and Joe Girardi pointed out two key factors.

1. “You think about when a guy’s struggling with command and missing; he missed down all the time. You don’t get in as much trouble when you miss down.”

2. “I thought his slider and changeup were pretty good today, and that’s what helped him. He had the ability to get outs when he needed to.”

Not leaving pitches up in the zone helped Pineda avoid big hits (he gave up a few singles, but nothing damaging). Of his 48 pitches, 27 were strikes, but he walked just one batter. He was able to get back into counts when he had to, and some of that was an ability to get a slider over the plate early in a count.

“He’s working downhill,” Brian McCann said. “You know you’re feeling comfortable when you throw a 3-2 slider for strikes, to punch guys out. That there’s a pretty good indication that he’s doing whatever he wants with the baseball.”

This outing didn’t have a standout moment like that Miguel Cabrera strikeout from last time out, but Pineda did strikeout five of the 11 batters he faced, including Quintin Berry on a good slider in the third inning. Two offspeed pitches got Pineda ahead 0-2 against the last batter he faced before a fastball for a single that chased him from the game.

“I threw the ball down, you know?” Pineda said. “The best thing is that my shoulder is feeling good. That’s where I want to be. My shoulder is feeling good. I can pitch, I can compete in the game, and I’m happy with that.”

Girardi said the Yankees had Pineda’s fastball up to 93 mph (highest I saw on the broadcast was 92), and both Girardi and Pineda say they expect that velocity to increase a little bit as Pineda builds arm strength. Might not get back to where it was in Seattle, but then again, the Yankees believe Pineda’s changeup has improved significantly in the two years since he had shoulder surgery.

“It’s hard to tell because we didn’t see a whole lot the first year we had him,” Girardi said. “He was struggling. He wasn’t feeling great. His velocity wasn’t as high as it is now. So it was kind of tough, and (the changeup) was more of a work-in-progress then. But he’s had a couple of years to kind of get it going, and it’s improved.”

There were times today when Pineda threw a slow, loopy breaking ball that came in at 79 mph and looked more like a curveball than a slider, but Pineda said it’s the same slider, he just takes something off it early in counts when he wants to throw it for a called strike. He started throwing the slider more often later in the game because he was trying to slow himself down. He said he was getting too quick, and that was causing him to lose some control on the fastball. When he throws his slider, it forces him to slow down and get back on track.

“He’s taking steps in the right direction, and I want to see him continue to go in the right direction,” Girardi said. “It would be important for us, I tell you that.”

Derek Jeter· After going 0-for-4 today, Derek Jeter’s spring batting average is down to .167. He’s had four hits, all of which came in consecutive at-bats March 6 and 7. He’s walked twice and struck out five times. “Timing is messed up,” Girardi said. “We’ve seen him pull some balls, and that’s kind of unusual. Older guys you don’t worry so much about early on in spring training.”

· Over in Clearwater, Ivan Nova allowed three runs on nine hits through five innings. “They weren’t hitting the ball hard,” Nova said. “I made good pitches. The hits weren’t too hard; a couple in the infield. If they’re going to it against you, it’s good to keep the ball on the ground. I think there was only one hard hit, the double. Otherwise it was good.”

· It’s worth noting with Nova that he walked no one and struck out six. He has 16 strikeouts and just two walks this spring. Pretty good.

· Also in Clearwater, Jacoby Ellsbury yanked his first spring home run out to right field today.

· Another really nice game for Francisco Cervelli. You can see video on MLB.com of him making a nice tag on a play at the plate — throw from left field, relay a little bit off line, Cervelli had to catch and immediately dive — and he also threw out a runner trying to steal second. “Cervy is capable of doing a lot of things,” Tony Pena said. “He has a great arm and he loves to use his arm. That was a tough pitch to handle and he was able to catch the ball and throw from his knees. Perfect throw.”

· Of the minor league free agent pitchers brought to camp, Chris Leroux has been an early standout. He pitched two hitless innings today. He walked none and struck out one. He has a 0.50 WHIP through eight innings. He’s struck out seven and has yet to walk anyone.

Francisco Cervelli· Jose Campos was optioned to High-A Tampa today. He’s the latest roster cut, coming just one day after his spring debut. He was the youngest player in camp. Ichiro Suzuki, by the way, is the oldest.

· Bryan Mitchell was also sent out of big league camp. He was optioned to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll open the year in Triple-A. He made just three Double-A starts last season.

· Eduardo Nunez stepped on the bag awkwardly and kind of hobbled a little bit during the Tampa game, but he said it was just an unusual landing and no injury concern at all. “I thought maybe too that the helmet hit him in the heel or something,” Girardi said, joking about the helmet that constantly flies off Nunez’s head.

· Might also have noticed Nunez bunting a lot this spring (he had a bunt single today). Nunez said he specifically worked on his bunting this offseason, and Brett Gardner gave him a useful tip about how to use his front and back feet while getting the bunt down.

· Box score notes: The Yankees beat the Orioles 6-0 at home. Dave Robertson struck out the only batter he faced. Bruce Billings pitched 2.2 scoreless with three strikeouts and no walks. Cesar Cabral finished with three strikeouts in the ninth. … Russ Canzler made an error but also made a nice play in the Orioles game. … Both Gardner and Zoilo Almonte had two hits, including a double apiece. Adonis Garcia had a hit in his only at-bat. He’s now hitting .474 this spring. … The Yankees lost to the Phillies 6-2 on the road. Preston Claiborne pitched two-thirds of an inning, allowing three runs on four hits. Bryan Mitchell and Shane Greene pitched a scoreless inning apiece. Each had two strikeouts. … Scott Sizemore had another hit. He’s batting an even .300 since getting into games.

· Final word to Girardi about Pineda: “I think he figured some things out. I think when you’re rehabbing and you’re sitting down here in Tampa and you’re not doing what you want to do, I think you have some time to think about some things. And he was a young kid. Sometimes you can see the people that are pitching in the big leagues, you see the work that they put in and you can talk to some people, and I think he’s grown up some, definitely.”

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68 Responses to “Postgame notes: “He’s taking steps in the right direction””

  1. kd March 13th, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    call me an optimist, but if pineda transitions from a thrower to a pitcher, he’ll have a long career

  2. Cashmoney March 13th, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    mac, agree with the icon thing on Ichiro. also one should take into considerations of how proud Ichiro is and the japanese culture. my guess is that Yanks will end up eating bulk of the salaries if he was to be traded.

  3. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    austinmac March 13th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
    UpState,

    Whether it’s true is hard to say, but many do believe Heyman and Boras help one another.
    ====================================

    THX !

    Is there a website with a ‘scorecard’ of what ‘writers’ are mouthpieces….
    for certain agents/certain players/certain GM’s ..etc.. ???

    Which sportswriters are actually fair towards the Yanks ???

    ….. or maybe too Pro-Yankee ?

    (Pretty sure the ‘anti-Yankee’ writers’ list is pretty long)

    repost

  4. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    from above :

    “…Nunez said he specifically worked on his bunting this offseason, and Brett Gardner gave him a useful tip about how to use his front and bat feet while getting the bunt down…”

    ==========================================

    Little Nunnie has ‘bat feet’.

  5. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
    If he faced a major league lineup today he would have giving up about 8 runs.

    Objection, calls for speculation.

    Sustained, jury will disregard.

  6. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    Pete2 – if you’re out there, your post about the fix for watching MLB.tv on a Microsoft Surface RT works!!! I’m in the hotel watching Pineda’s start… many thanks!!!

  7. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Glad it worked for you chicken-stanley.

    Just getting ready to watch it myself.

  8. Against All Odds March 13th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
    “For this season I agree but going forward the whole point of trading for him was to have a hard throwing top of the rotation ace.”

    Well yea that’s why they traded for him….but when you have shoulder surgery you have to adjust expectations. The mariners traded for Montero to hit on the middle of their lineup…..it don’t always work as you plan

    —————-

    True but the Yankees are in a position where they can no longer adjust their expectations when it comes to their guys. It started with Joba then Hughes then Brackman and Dellin, etc. They need to hit a homerun on these young guys at some point.

  9. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Pineda threw 35 fastballs today. Of those 35, 9 had no velocity readings. Almost all of those were low and out of the strike zone. Of the 26 readings, 13 were under 90, mostly 88/89. One as low as 86. 7 were over 90, 5 at 91 and 2 at 92. 6 were right at 90. Two of those were crushed by the hitters.

    So to summarize, Pineda pitched against a minor league lineup today with a FB averaging below 90 mph and no command of it. He had one pitch working today, the slider. I think I saw one changeup but there was no velocity reading so it’s hard to be sure.

    If he faced a ML line up today he’d probably give up 10 runs.

  10. blake March 13th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    “True but the Yankees are in a position where they can no longer adjust their expectations when it comes to their guys. It started with Joba then Hughes then Brackman and Dellin, etc. They need to hit a homerun on these young guys at some point.”

    Yes but you can’t force it….

  11. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    From Nick Cafardo on Drew:
    Does he regret declining the Qualifying Offer?;

    ““I wish I had a crystal ball so I could read these things into the future,” said Drew, never answering the question directly. “I trust my talent.””

    ““After we won the World Series, the qualifying offer is right around the corner,” he said. “We were still doing our duck boat parade. I have a family, and we had to pack up the house and move back home. Once the qualifying offer came, we had seven days. So everything happens really fast and you have to make a quick decision.”

    I guess Scotty just never saw that Q.O. coming….

  12. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    The QO system is heavily in favor of the teams offering it, that much is true. You seem heavily bias’d against the players who are offered them, Ys Guy.

  13. blake March 13th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    I said after the season that Drew should probAbaly take the QO as he wasn’t getting close to 14 million per year. Teams are worried about his health and he needs to prove last year wasn’t a fluke. The yanks should take advantage of this situation and sign him

  14. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Against All Odds March 13th, 2014 at 7:35 pm
    blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
    “For this season I agree but going forward the whole point of trading for him was to have a hard throwing top of the rotation ace.”

    Well yea that’s why they traded for him….but when you have shoulder surgery you have to adjust expectations. The mariners traded for Montero to hit on the middle of their lineup…..it don’t always work as you plan

    —————-

    True but the Yankees are in a position where they can no longer adjust their expectations when it comes to their guys. It started with Joba then Hughes then Brackman and Dellin, etc. They need to hit a homerun on these young guys at some point.
    =================================

    Just adjust perception….and trade ‘em.

    Trade the one’s that simply have no place to go with the NYY.

  15. blake March 13th, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    The players are gonna push hard to do away wth draft pick compensation all together in the next CBA……I think the players are realizing now how bad they got screwed in the last deal and won’t be as easy on the owners next time around

  16. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    A bit off topic – I’m watching the archived Pineda start on mlb.tv (I’m only into the 2nd inning so I’m not gonna comment on his performance yet)… Why in the world does mlb.tv show basically blank screens during commercial breaks? Especially during an archived game! Makes no sense to me.

  17. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    If the QO system were like old arbitration, where the offer is on the table all winter, then it would be more balanced. As it stands right no most teams have nothing to lose by offering it because players have such a short time to decide to accept or not, and its so close to the beginning of free agency, that virtually no one will accept it.

    Why would a world series winning starting short stop that is above average at the position think he can’t get a multiyear deal ?

  18. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Biased is a loaded word. We all have our opinions and prefereces. Why is my opinion ‘biased’ and yours not?
    I have no problem with the Q.O. system.
    I dont particularly like Scott Boras, so I dont mind seeing him make a bad decision.
    Drew played for $9.5M and was offered a raise to $14.1M and turned it down. I can’t feel bad for him.
    And fyi I actually like Drew and wouldn’t mind seeing him on the Yankees. I just don’t want to see him get multi years guaranteed from the Yankees as he’s too injury prone imo.

  19. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Why in the world does mlb.tv show basically blank screens during commercial breaks? Especially during an archived game! Makes no sense to me.

    During the season they have ads there. Right now they don’t, so they have a commercial break screen. What do you want them to show?

    (In the old MLB.TV system there used to be games where they would show the TV camera feed and you could hear the announcers BSing between innings, that was funny sometimes)

  20. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Drew played for $9.5M and was offered a raise to $14.1M and turned it down. I can’t feel bad for him.

    He was offered a 1 year deal. You know that there is a big difference between 1 year and multi year deals in MLB. Guys want multi year deals, they want protection and guarantee. Drew would have had a multiyear deal if he was not given the QO. Why should the Red Sox’s desire for a draft pick impact Drew’s worth as a player? I think you’re bias’d against the players just based on what you’ve said before. I mean yea its just the rich getting richer, but its still not their fault so they have every right to gripe about the crappy system their representation signed off on.

  21. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    During the season they have ads there. Right now they don’t, so they have a commercial break screen. What do you want them to show?

    ———————

    In an archived game, I don’t want them to show anything – just cut to the next inning! :)

    As for live games, I’ve never seen anything but the commercial break screen… I’ve never seen any ads…? not that I’m complaining

  22. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Basically with the current system you have players who work for 6 years to get to free agency and then they are penalized for it by this qualifying offer……it’s gonna be a big issue in the next CBA talks….if the owners won’t get rid of it I can see a major fight

  23. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    i thought the players were sleeping at the switch last cba and got schooled.
    They agreed to both the QO system and the ‘soft cap’ in exchange for an extra day off after the ASG.

  24. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    In an archived game, I don’t want them to show anything – just cut to the next inning! :)

    As for live games, I’ve never seen anything but the commercial break screen… I’ve never seen any ads…? not that I’m complaining

    The archive is just a copy of the live broadcast, it would be more work to remove the breaks from the video because it would require manually editing the video files. As it stands you can skip to each half inning by clicking the box score thing in mlb.tv.

  25. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    The Yanks should:

    Sign Drew
    Trade for Owings, Didi, or Franklin
    Make Johnson the Utility infielder
    Send Sizemore, Anna, and Nunez down to AAA

    Then they have multiple options to replace Roberts when he gets hurt….or Jeter or Drew if they get hurt ….and they have at least 1 young player ready to step into a position in 2015

  26. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    JF – I’m just in a complaining mood :)

  27. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    March 13, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    i thought the players were sleeping at the switch last cba and got schooled.
    They agreed to both the QO system and the ‘soft cap’ in exchange for an extra day off after the ASG.

    Seemed like they so badly wanted to keep the peace that they basically just rolled over. It won’t happen again

  28. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    It was also likely a miscalculation by management. They figured that the QO would be so prohibitive (since its always X amount rather than just arbitration which is based on the players current salary) that hardly anyone would offer it except to the sure fire big time free agents like Cano, Pujols, etc.

    As it turns out the way its structured its not as prohibitive as the PU probably thought it was. They messed up.

  29. Against All Odds March 13th, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    Yes but you can’t force it….

    ———————

    Yep you can’t force it.

  30. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    ” blake March 13th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    I said after the season that Drew should probably take the QO as he wasn’t getting close to 14 million per year. Teams are worried about his health and he needs to prove last year wasn’t a fluke. The yanks should take advantage of this situation and sign him”
    =========================
    Players don’t necessarily care that they get 14 million a year, they care more about years and total dollars. I am sure he would have been fine with 3/35 which is better than 1/14.

    The problem with taking a QO with the Red Sox is they have this uber prospect waiting to take over. Drew could have found himself one slump or short DL stint away from being a bench player or platoon player which would have trashed his market value in 2015. Drew was only offered a QO because the Red Sox knew he would not take it, no player has ever taken it, although that may change next year.

    As for concerns about his health he had 1 serious injury, an ankle fracture, at age 28 that cost him parts of 2 seasons. He has had at least 500 PA for every other season he has been a starter in MLB for a whole season. This is not JD Drew, or even Ellsbury.

    The guy is coming off a 3.4 WAR season and depending on the metric used he was the 5th-8th best SS in MLB last year. His first half was somewhat impacted by a concussion from being beaned in ST but he had an exceptionally good 2nd half and showed he was healthy, even if he had a poor post season.

    Did anyone doubt at the time Drew would not have been able to get a 3/35 or better deal? I doubt it.

    There is something weird going on with this market for players who received a QO. If I did not know better I would suspect it is a limited form of collusion where teams are using the picks as an excuse to depress salaries at one segment of the market hoping for a knock off effect on other segments. Maybe its just as simple as teams are valuing these picks more highly, more so than in past years, although the collective nature of this higher valuation given most of these picks are lottery tickets suggests collusion as well.

  31. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    “Players don’t necessarily care that they get 14 million a year, they care more about years and total dollars. I am sure he would have been fine with 3/35 which is better than 1/14.”

    Of course….but he wasn’t guaranteed to get a deal like that either and he hasn’t. 3/35 is better…..but you’re gambling you can actually get that so if you turn down the 14 million you had better actually get the 3 year deal. Cruz cost himself 6 million dollars with that gamble

  32. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    QO is fine.

    Almost all teams would give up their pick for Longoria.

    Almost no teams would give up their pick for David Ross.

    You and your agent have to figure out what your value really is in relation to $14,000,000.00 per year.

    (Drew & Boras have clearly overvalued his desirability, his talent, and his dollar value.)

  33. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    And obviously I’ve been beating the sign Drew drum more than anybody….

  34. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    Bleacher report predicts drew batting 7th and playing 3b for the Yankees.

  35. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Mottsx says:
    March 13, 2014 at 8:25 pm
    Bleacher report predicts drew batting 7th and playing 3b for the Yankees.

    That’s what should happen…..whether it will or not we will see

  36. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
    And obviously I’ve been beating the sign Drew drum more than anybody….

    ==============================

    …and it may be noble and kind….but it’s too expensive at this point in time for every ML team out there, not just the Yanks.

    At $1,000,000.00 per year and no draft pick – almost all would be clamoring for him.

    At $1,000,000.00 per year and giving up a draft pick – I believe many teams would be interested.

    A draft pick + $____X______(whatever he’s asking for) is simply too much to fork over for a player of his quality in today’s market.

  37. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    ” blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    “Of course….but he wasn’t guaranteed to get a deal like that either and he hasn’t. 3/35 is better…..but you’re gambling you can actually get that so if you turn down the 14 million you had better actually get the 3 year deal. Cruz cost himself 6 million dollars with that gamble”

    Whose to say he won’t at the end of the day? Not sure what constitutes a guarantee in your mind but name a 30 yo SS coming off a 3.4 WAR season who could not get a decent 3 yr deal at close to market (avg $/WAR) rates?.

    Cruz was coming off a PED suspension and is career H-A splits shows he has not been much of a hitter away from Arlington. He is also a poor defensive player and coming off a 3 yr stretch when healthy where he has averaged 1.2 WAR. He certainly should have taken the QO in hindsight, although I figured there were enough teams who need a good DH who might have been more interested in him.

  38. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 6:23 pm
    Unknown,
    We’re all still friends. Different goals, is all.
    ====
    I had a similar experience with an ex-girlfriend. I wanted to be happy, she didn’t.

  39. Tar March 13th, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    “The guy is coming off a 3.4 WAR season and depending on the metric used he was the 5th-8th best SS in MLB last year. His first half was somewhat impacted by a concussion from being beaned in ST but he had an exceptionally good 2nd half and showed he was healthy, even if he had a poor post season.”

    He was “5th-8th” best last year because of Fenway.

    Fenway- .283 .367 .491 .859

    Away- .222 .295 .392 .687

    A one year deal would be ok though.

  40. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    “Whose to say he won’t at the end of the day? Not sure what constitutes a guarantee in your mind but name a 30 yo SS coming off a 3.4 WAR season who could not get a decent 3 yr deal at close to market (avg $/WAR) rates?”

    Steven Drew ;) I think teams are worried about his health and combined with the draft pick it’s killed his market …..Yanks should take advantage

  41. dayglo March 13th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Cerv’s stock seems to keep rising although I hope they don’t trade him. McCann needs time off… He’s also going to get hurt. He’ll catch max 100 games.

    I still think somehow catching AJ Burnett totally messed up Cervelli’s mechanics behind the plate… maybe it took a year in the minors to unlearn those bad habits

  42. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    The QO system negatively impacts the middle end guys more than the high end guys, and helps the worse guys by improving their value on the market. Basically if you’re worth -30%-+30% of the QO AAV you’re going to get screwed.

    A guy like Cano or Longoria are going to make 20+ million and be cornerstone players for a team, so who ever is shelling out the dollars is not going to care about a pick in that situation. On the other hand you have guys like Santana, Drew, Morales, and Cruz who could be worth anywhere from 10-19 million and teams simply won’t spend this midrange cash AND give up a draft pick for them. Then you have guys without draft picks attached like Hughes who get deals way out of their range because it doesn’t cost a pick.

    No one has accepted a QO because its impossible to accept. You are basically forfeiting an entire offseason just so the team offering it can have an incredibly lucrative 1 year deal on you. At worst case some of these guys can sign for the QO anyways (like Santana).

    The old system wasn’t any better because it was backed by the archaic elias ranking system to determine type A’s and type B’s. But at the very least if you made the offer it stood for the entire offseason. Teams have almost no risk at all when it comes to offering the QO in this new system.

    Any team in baseball that doesn’t have a SS already would probably want Stephen Drew, just like most teams would want a rotation option like Santana. They just don’t want to also give up a draft pick because thats how most teams in baseball build their club. ESPECIALLY with the draft pool changes. If you give up a pick you lose the money from your pool.

    It hurts WAY more than the old draft pick comp program.

  43. Tar March 13th, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Sell high–buy low

    Trade Cervelli–get Ackley

  44. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    I continue to like Cervelli’s progress. Hope we keep him. I have no problem keeping all the catchers and letting Romine and Murphy develop more in AAA while Cervelli gets significant time catching (perhaps 40-50 games).

    I agree with those saying he has more value than trading for a prospect.

  45. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Tar- I broke down Drews H-A splits by half. He was awful on the road in the first half, coming off a concussion in ST. In the 2nd half his road performance matched his home performance. He might have faced more tough lefties on the road in the first half. he was also coming off a concussion after being beaned in ST and maybe travel affected him a bit.

    If you look at Drews hit charts, there is no reason Fenway should treat him well. His FB power is to RF and CF, not LF.

    Have to be careful making too much of seasonal splits due to SSS unless there is a rational explanation for the split.

  46. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Bojo,
    She wanted to be happy, no matter what I hoped for.
    Anyway, without Drew, WE’RE DOOMED!

  47. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    “jerkface
    ” If you give up a pick you lose the money from your pool.”

    I agree with most of what you wrote. However, on this point it seems you lose the money that was intended to sign the pick you lost. You don’t have that pick so you don’t need the money. Not a lot of guys worth spending over-slot on in the late 2nd round by underpaying your first round pick. It happens, but not enough that you can count on it. I thing this point is a bit overblown to be honest.

  48. Tar March 13th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Thanks Pete.

    I did not break down the numbers down like that, but I did notice this

    BaBIp Home -.349

    BaBIP away- .286

    Whatever the reason…. he really liked hitting at Fenway. I doubt he can match those home numbers from last year.

  49. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 8:46 pm
    Bojo,
    She wanted to be happy, no matter what I hoped for.
    Anyway, without Drew, WE’RE DOOMED!
    ============
    He wanted 14M…Yankees didn’t want him. Boras is DOOMED!

  50. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    …anyway we cut it and cook it ….

    Boras miscalculated the realities of Drew’s value.

    No one…..not one team, has offered anything.

    Unless he torques down his salary request/demand….he’ll simply have to wait until June.

    Regardless of his numbers or his UZR or how hot his GF is – he is not worth it to anyone, at this time, with the required/requested costs.

    (I’ll bet there are quite a few teams that would forfeit the next 4 years of First Round draft picks to have the shot at signing Mike Trout.)

  51. blake March 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Yankee stadium is a hitters park for LH hitters…..but I think those splits are sample size biased. Either way Drew is better than what they have and he’s sitting there probably for 1 year

  52. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Yankees gave youkilis $12m last year to play 28 games. they can’t pay Drew say $8m to play 3b this year while paying ichiro 6.5 to play 5th outfielder?

  53. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    “blake-Steven Drew ;) I think teams are worried about his health and combined with the draft pick it’s killed his market …..Yanks should take advantage”
    ===============
    I agree with you on taking advantage. At this point Drew might be willing to take a 1 yr deal in a park that makes best use of his bat rather than waiting until June which Boras may be inclined to do . Facing fewer tough LHP’ers in a platoon situation at 3B should not hurt him, and maybe the experience at another position helps his value in 2015. If he gets another QO he probably grabs it, so it becomes essentially a 2 yr deal for the Yankees if Drew does well.

    Unfortunately, I don’t see the Yankees spending anymore. I am now convinced they are being honest, and think they still want to stay within range of 189 in case the first half is a bust,

  54. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    I’d rather have Ramirez than Drew.

  55. blake March 13th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    I think the only problem in taking a 1 year deal for Drew with the Yankees is that he will probAbaly have to play 3B primarily…..and then he’d have a harder time marketing himself as a SS next winter

  56. blake March 13th, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    bbb51 says:
    March 13, 2014 at 9:01 pm
    I’d rather have Ramirez than Drew.

    Id rather have Drew for a whole season for just money than have to trade for Ramirez in July

  57. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    I’ve always found it interesting that many here perhaps overvalue prospects but undervalue young players who are slow developing in the majors. Melky was undervalued, but eventually became a good player…Ian Kennedy was undervalued…Jose Rijo…Doug Drabek…Joba (who I think will prove to be a good player)…Tyler Clippard…Mark Melancon….etc. Goes back to Bill Robinson…

    Sometimes it takes a little longer for players to develop and it takes patience, but the patience can pay off to a really good player. Cervelli has been showing great progress and seems on the verge of being a true starting catcher with a strong defensive game and good bat. I hope the Yankees have patience on this one.

  58. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Per Drew – I heard on MLB radio today that any player that signs after opening day is not eligile for a QO in the off season… Depending on what “Team Drew” is thinking, they may not want to wait until June but rather wait until opening day.

  59. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    No I mean Ramirez before the season starts. Shouldn’t take much to trade for him. But the Brewers may be waiting for a higher leverage situation.

  60. blake March 13th, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    “Per Drew – I heard on MLB radio today that any player that signs after opening day is not eligile for a QO in the off season… Depending on what “Team Drew” is thinking, they may not want to wait until June but rather wait until opening day.”

    If true…..maybe so. We can probAbaly make it for 1 game with this infield

  61. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
    Yankees gave youkilis $12m last year to play 28 games. they can’t pay Drew say $8m to play 3b this year while paying ichiro 6.5 to play 5th outfielder?
    =========================

    A – Would he accept $8M or lower ?

    B – Cant guarantee he’ll play more that Youk did – one high & tight fastball and he’s cooked; so the Youk comparison is 100% 20-20 hindsight.

    C – Ichiro is under contract – exactly what Drew wants to be.

    Drew cant do ANYTHING – except lower his price so teams will consider taking him on.

    Right now – he’s obviously too expensive for his perceived/actual talent.

    What NYY uniform numbers will be available for him in June ?

    (or if another team is so desperate due to injuries….then todays value that Drew puts on himself may be acceptable….till then – keep working out at Gold’s….we’d like to have you later in the year)

  62. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    “Tar March 13th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Thanks Pete.

    I did not break down the numbers down like that, but I did notice this

    BaBIp Home -.349

    BaBIP away- .286

    Whatever the reason…. he really liked hitting at Fenway. I doubt he can match those home numbers from last year”
    ==============================
    Its a lot harder to break it down by half. The BABIP numbers actually support the SSS hypothesis. He was may have just been luckier at Fenway.

    I think if you break it down by half you will find Drews BABIP in the 2nd half on the road was comparable to his Fenway numbers. His away BABIP was held down by a sub-Mendozan batting average on the road in the first half.

    I think YS3 is a park he could duplicate those road numbers, and 9 games at Fenway should help his road numbers if you are right.

  63. blake March 13th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    bbb51 says:
    March 13, 2014 at 9:06 pm
    No I mean Ramirez before the season starts. Shouldn’t take much to trade for him. But the Brewers may be waiting for a higher leverage situation.

    The brewers are trying to win…..they aren’t trading him now

  64. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    “Any team in baseball that doesn’t have a SS already would probably want Stephen Drew, just like most teams would want a rotation option like Santana. They just don’t want to also give up a draft pick because thats how most teams in baseball build their club. ESPECIALLY with the draft pool changes. If you give up a pick you lose the money from your pool.”
    =======================
    the mets don’t and they need a SS desperately. AND they dont have to give up a first round pick to sign him.

  65. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    “Melky was undervalued, but eventually became a good player”…

    A big thank you to PED’s says the Melkoman….really wonder when he started the stuff ?

    “Ian Kennedy was undervalued”… as an NL pitcher – he gets hammered against the AL (they try to keep him away from the AL)…one good NL year – then basically he’s a midland/crapland NL pitcher

  66. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    New post

  67. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Shoulda signed Reynolds to back up tex and right hand platoon 3b

  68. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEXT ———->

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