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Spring Games 15 and 16: Yankees vs. Orioles / at Phillies

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 13, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

HOME GAME

Michael PinedaYANKEES (7-5-2)
Brett Gardner CF
Derek Jeter SS
Carlos Beltran DH
Brian McCann C
Alfonso Soriano LF
Eduardo Nunez 3B
Dean Anna 2B
Zoilo Almonte RF
Russ Canzler 1B

RHP Michael Pineda (0-0, 0.00)

ORIOLES (9-4)
Quintin Berry CF
Alex Gonzalez SS
Henry Urrutia LF
Steve Pearce 1B
Ryan Flaherty 3B
Delmon Young DH
Xavier Paul RF
Jonathan Schoop 2B
Caleb Joseph C

RHP Bud Norris (1-0, 0.00)

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. ET, YES Network

WEATHER: Bright, sunny sky. No complaints.

UMPIRES: HP Eric Cooper, 1B Mark Carlson, 2B Mark Wegner, 3B Manny Gonzalez

OFF THE BENCH: C John Ryan Murphy, 1B Jose Gil, 2B Corban Joseph, SS Jose Pirela, 3B Zelous Wheeler, LF Jake Cave, CF Antoan Richardson, RF Adonis Garcia, DH Gary Sanchez

OUT OF THE PEN: Dave Robertson, Matt Thornton, Bruce Billings, Cesar Cabral, Chris Leroux

ROAD GAME

Ivan NovaYANKEES (7-5-2)
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Kelly Johnson 3B
Francisco Cervelli C
Yangervis Solarte SS
Scott Sizemore 2B
Ramon Flores LF
Austin Romine DH

RHP Ivan Nova (1-0, 5.40)

PHILLIES (3-10-2)
Ben Revere CF
Chase Utley 2B
Marlon Byrd RF
Ryan Howard 1B
Carlos Ruiz C
Domonic Brown LF
Darin Ruf 1B
Cody Asche 3B
Freddy Galvis SS

RHP Roberto Hernandez (0-0, 3.24)

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. ET, not broadcast (except maybe in Philadelphia)

WEATHER: Not far enough to be considerably different than in Tampa. I’m sure it’s beautiful over there as well.

OFF THE BENCH: C Pete O’Brien, 1B Francisco Arcia, 2B Rob Refsnyder, SS Carmen Angelini, 3B Rob Segedin, LF Ben Gamel, CF Mason Williams, RF Taylor Dugas

OUT OF THE PEN: Shane Green, Bryan Mitchell, Mark Montgomery, Preston Claiborne

WHAT TO WATCH: Michael Pineda is making his second appearance of the spring. His debut was encouraging and occasionally dominant. Today he’s scheduled for three innings against a less-than-inspiring Orioles lineup. Behind him, Derek Jeter, Brett Gardner, Carlos Beltran and Alfonso Soriano are playing their final games in Florida before a four-day trip to Panama, so you probably won’t see them again for a while. … In Clearwater, the Phillies are using a legitimate Major League roster against Ivan Nova, who’s been a bit inconsistent this spring. Last time out he struggled early before making a mechanical adjustment mid game. … For you prospect lovers, there are  few notable guys playing today. Mason Williams has been in big league camp all spring, so it’s not unusual to see him, but Rob Refsnyder, Jake Cave and Ben Gamel are among the guys up from minor league camp for the day. Gary Sanchez and Pete O’Brien are also supposed to get some at-bats.

UPDATE, 1:12 p.m.: Nice catch by Alfonso Soriano, who kind of owed Pineda one after a not-so-great effort on the single earlier in the inning.

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: On the fly out to left, it looks like the trail runner rounded second and didn’t touch the bag on the way back. McCann was pointing it out on the field. Pineda got back on the mound ready to face another hitter, then threw to second for the force out. Weird way to end the inning, but that’s what we have. Pineda’s fastball was mostly 89-90 with one reaching 91 mph. He allowed two singles and got a strikeout.

UPDATE, 1:24 p.m.: RBI single by Beltran scores Gardner from first and gives the Yankees a 1-0 lead here in Tampa. Beltran lined the ball to right. Gardner reached on an infield single.

UPDATE, 1:43 p.m.: Couple more strikeouts for Pineda in the second inning, with his fastball getting up to 92 mph. The second out in the inning was a comebacker that somehow wound up in Pineda’s glove. Just kind of ducked and held his glove up. It worked.

UPDATE, 1:54 p.m.: Doubles by Almonte and Gardner give the Yankees another run in the second inning, and now a goofy error by Bud Norris has given them another. Norris made one of the worst throws possible trying to get the lead runner out at third base.

UPDATE, 2:13 p.m.: That’s it for Pineda. He’s finished after a two-out infield single in the third inning (Jeter got to it but couldn’t get the out). There were some pitches that didn’t get a radar reading on the broadcast, but based on what I saw Pineda’s fastball topped out at 92 mph. He was throwing a lot of offspeed stuff in the third inning, including the strikeout pitch for the second out of the inning and the two pitches that put him ahead in the count 0-2 before the single that chased him from the game. If Dave Robertson is able to strand these two runners, Pineda will be left with another good pitching line. He struck out five.

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318 Responses to “Spring Games 15 and 16: Yankees vs. Orioles / at Phillies”

  1. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Go Pine Forest! Go Vato! Go Yanks!

  2. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Repost re: Pineda

    Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I also don’t want them falling into that stupid trap of having him get to either 5 innings or 100 pitches and pulling him.

  3. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    6 innings, not 5. And in games where he is pitching very well and has a low pitch count, you could go 7. The 7 inning games would balance out the inevitable shorter starts (bad days).

  4. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    You mean Joba-ing him? Interesting to see how they treat both Pineda and the kiddies on the farm this year. Usually they pull them as soon as they get into any late trouble even if they haven’t labored and are not at pitch/inning count.

  5. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    6 innings, not 5. And in games where he is pitching very well and has a low pitch count, you could go 7. The 7 inning games would balance out the inevitable shorter starts (bad days).
    ——————

    That’s not how the Yankees have handled things in the past.

  6. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Nice. K.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    YES!!!!

    Pineda is back in the house!

    Paradise regained.

    :)

  8. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Sori looked bad there.

  9. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Not sure Soriano saw that, or he’s not running well.

  10. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    OK, let’s see you pitch out of trouble.

  11. Tackelberry March 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    How does Pineda look so far?

  12. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Nice breaking ball.

  13. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
    “If he’s got an innings limit I don’t want them throwing him in the pen in August or deciding to shut him down when the importance of the games starts to rise.”

    I think it might make more sense to have him end in the pen, after a season when maybe his arm is just starting to tire out. Rather than ramping him up to finish off the season, if you know what I mean.

    But yeah, definitely have to make sure he’s on the team in some capacity at the end of the season. Ridiculous how the Nats butchered their playoff shot.

    —————-

    I don’t mean for him to ramp it up, I just mean that him doing these short 4 inning starts in AAA could benefit him and allow him to work on his stuff and getting slowly stretched out instead of putting him on the big club and working around it.

    If they can find a creative way to do it by resting him but NOT hindering his actual starts with ridiculous limits at the MLB level, I’m all for it. But this team has never done stuff like that before. Do you trust them to do it now? I’m iffy on it.

  14. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    Should probably be 3 outs now…

  15. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN
    Well that’s different. RT @LaVelleNeal Phil Hughes just hit 95 on the gun

  16. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Not bad. He’s been the victim of some iffy fielding, but control a little off, nibbling a little.

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Tackleberry, I think he’s getting squeezed a little.

  18. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    Nice catch; better going back.

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Soriano redeemed. That was hammered.

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Nice catch by Sori!

  21. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Thank God for Sori’s reach.

    Yeah, appeal and out!

  22. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Ha!

  23. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Easy one dropped, caught the hard one.

  24. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Nova gave up lead off hit. Didn’t see it b/c I was watching Pineda. Watching these two games at once is schizoid.

  25. Tackelberry March 13th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
    @FeinsandNYDN
    Well that’s different. RT @LaVelleNeal Phil Hughes just hit 95 on the gun

    _______________________________

    Why do these things happen AFTER they leave the Yankees?

  26. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Nice catch by Sori.

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    Good call.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    “Why do these things happen AFTER they leave the Yankees?”

    Pressure off.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Vato GO on the curve.

    Go Gardy

  30. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Was that Utley on the Vato CB GO? I am watching that game on my phone.

    Hughes hit 95, just didn’t sit there.

  31. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    It’s hard to trust the radar guns in the spring, but I hope Phil has a good year/career regardless.

  32. Benny Blanco March 13th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    I said this last year that Phil would leave and hit 95 when we went to the twin.

  33. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Go Jeet!

  34. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Hughes hit 95 in games before, nothing new.

  35. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Shame, ditto.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    “It’s hard to trust the radar guns in the spring, but I hope Phil has a good year/career regardless.”

    Ditto.

  37. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Hughes hit the mid 90s at points as a Yankee. Never lived there.

  38. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    bbb, yep.

  39. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    ??? Hughes definitely hit 95 on the Yankees, and not in the bullpen either. Who cares if he hits 95. its not like every pitch he is gonna throw is 95.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    LOL it’s Howard, just throw him a change

  41. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Hughes’ problem to me always seemed related to his legs. He’d have hot games where he’d really drive through his motion, and others when it was just all upper body.

  42. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Rothschild’s got Nova throwing changes to righties. Love it.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    He did throw it.

    Whiff

    :)

  44. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Stopped driving through the legs when he hurt the hammy. I think he’ll have a good year, new lease on life away from NYS.

  45. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Pruf, yep. Good pitch. It’ll make Nova even more dangerous.

    Atta boy, Carlos.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Always like Carrrrrrlos, but we got him a little past his prime.

    He’s still a good hitter, but I would have preferred Almonte getting a chance.

    He’ll get his chance yet – a fat chance.

  47. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Maybe Gardner is doing as Ellsbury does and is not going to steal much or at all in spring training, just try to get the timing/jump.

  48. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    No sense getting hurt stealing bases in ST.

  49. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    McCann’s stance reminds me a bit of Giambi’s.

  50. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    MH370 March 13th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Why should anyone want Phil to have a successful career?
    ————-

    Dude was a critical piece in 2009. Get over it.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    fem, Vato is going to really be that guy for us. Tanaka looks great, Kuroda will be Kuroda. C needs to get it straightened out.

    The pitching hasn’t been a problem on this team for three years, and it has the chance this season to be really good, and young.

  52. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Nice AB there by Sori.

  53. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Cashman to Gardner… Learn how to steal bases from Big brother Jacoby and we’ll extend you for a third of his contract. Brett “DEAL!!!!”

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Hey – I read back where Chad wrote that LR encouraging Betances to throw the changeup more.

    I like hearing that. Keep that hearbeat going.

    Vato getting that nice boring action on his pitches to RHB. But threw a curve over the plate for a single :(

    But all hope isn’t lost, here comes Down Swinging’ Domonic to the plate :)

    Nuney infield pop too bad

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Brown going opposite. Vato needs to get the ball down

  56. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Yanks shifting on Brown and he goes oppo. Nova not exactly locating.

    Unproductive out by Nunie.

  57. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Nice K for Vato on the CB.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Yeah that was a beauty.

  59. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    That’s a foul username.

  60. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Another K on the curve. Good job by Nova.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Dirty curve, swinging Vato out of trouble.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Pineda getting the ball down nicely now

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Curves from Pineda

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    I like Pineda’s confidence on the mound.

  65. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Rothschild was always a big CU guy. Like it. Nova looks like he is settling down.

    Nice pitch but could have been inside.

  66. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Pineda’s fastball was mostly 89-90 with one reaching 91 mph. He allowed two singles and got a strikeout.

    That’s pretty terrible news. He AVERAGED over 94 mph in 2011. To drop it down to 90 is a massive decrease

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Yikes, that was close

  68. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Seems like there’s been a heavy focus on Pineda’s off speed stuff.. I’m assuming his velo is permanently down from where he was with the M’s, so that’s a good approach.

  69. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Location’s a little off, but like that Pineda’s attacking.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Better to miss low than high, unless its low in lefty wheelhouse

  71. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Pineda’s fastball was mostly 89-90 with one reaching 91 mph. He allowed two singles and got a strikeout.

    —————

    I didn’t even see that update… that’s even lower than I thought.

  72. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    Pineda doesn’t look to be in the groove right now. A little herky jerky.

  73. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    Atta boy, Mike.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    Set him up nice there for that K

  75. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Think his velo will go up somewhat. He’s more trying to command the FB right now. No need to force it.

  76. Tackelberry March 13th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    51s Jorge Castillo @jorgeccastillo
    Pineda goes 1-2-3 in 13-pitch 2nd. He struck out 2 and hit 92 on the radar gun

    Everybody come off the ledge a little now.

  77. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Zoooo!

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    I wouldn’t expect someone who’s coming back from TJ to be operating at peak efficiency or top speed. I’m sure he’s going to be working his way back up to whatever his optimal speed will be. This is his second outing of the spring, and he’s thrown all of 5 innings.

  79. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Goes oppo. Kid needs to play.

  80. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Love Ichiro, but please trade him.

  81. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    It’s a little tough to follow two game threads at once.

  82. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Seems like the slider is still good enough for Pineda to be a quality big leaguer. Without the velocity he might never be that number one guy, who knows what will happen there.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    We need this guy…

  84. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    CB is a little erratic for Nova. Just hung one for a hit.

  85. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Think his velo will go up somewhat. He’s more trying to command the FB right now. No need to force it.

    ————–

    I agree.. which is why I don’t think they should put him in the rotation if he’s not ready.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    “It’s a little tough to follow two game threads at once.”

    :D

    It is.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Crap, that front leg lift and turn of his body makes Zoo look eerily Cano-ish.

    Too bad he isn’t Cano.

    Nice oppo hit though that would make Cano proud.

    Again, I can’t see how the hell Cashman-Eppler view this guy as a 4th OF. Forget that it’s ST – look at the swing, the way the kid stays back, the way he can change his approach depending on the count…

    They are not good hitting evaluators.

  88. Tackelberry March 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Pineda needs to improve his change up to make up for lost velocity.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    I don’t think the velocity you see now is the velocity you’ll see at the end of ST.

  90. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    “Everybody come off the ledge a little now.”

    Disagree, he sat at 94-95 while touching 96, 97. That’s a massive difference from sitting at 90 and touching 92. His velocity right now is below average for a major league RHP. Compare that to his velocity in 2011 which was literally the best in baseball.

    “I wouldn’t expect someone who’s coming back from TJ to be operating at peak efficiency or top speed. ”

    He’s coming off a shoulder injury which is a huge difference from TJ. I believe TJ has like an 85% success rate (in that most pitchers return to their previous abilities after getting the surgery). Shoulder surgeries are much riskier and the player is much less likely to recover.

    Pineda used to have a top notch fastball and a wipeout slider with a bad change. He still has the slider but his fastball is gone and no progress on the change. Unless he magically adds 4-5 MPH in velocity overnight he will be a 5th starter at best and more likely a middle reliever.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    So happy Brett wasn’t traded and got his extension.

  92. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    With ST only 2 and a half more weeks, Pineda probably only sees action 3 more times… maybe four. I don’t get the rush to have him start in the rotation so quickly when we have a solid group of starters.

  93. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    Phlllies keep going oppo on that Nova outside pitch.

    Go Jeet. Get Gardy home.

  94. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
    I don’t think the velocity you see now is the velocity you’ll see at the end of ST.

    —————-

    There’s not a lot of time left between now and the end of ST… kinda snuck up on me too. Real baseball starts real soon. I don’t even know that they’ll be comfortable letting him air it out by his last ST start with only a couple more opportunities to go.

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Patrick – sorry you’re right, shoulder injury.

    I’m thinking he’ll end up near the top of the rotation.

    I like what I’ve seen so far.

    I think he’ll be fine.

  96. Tackelberry March 13th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    I’ve been saying all along that I bet Pineda stays behind when the Yanks break camp in order to continue to build up arm strength, as well as protect his shoulder from the early season cold weather. Phelps probably gets that 5th spot .

  97. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Nova’s flying open.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    “There’s not a lot of time left between now and the end of ST… kinda snuck up on me too.”

    Actually, you’re right! I think they’re taking it slow with Pineda and not pushing for velo. I do think it will come with time. How much time, I don’t know.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Ooh tough break for Nova on that dribbler.

  100. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

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  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Tackleberry – we have some really sweet choices for #5. I can live with any of them.

    Pineda’s chance will come.

  102. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Pineda doesn’t need to sit at 95 to pitch well.

  103. Tackelberry March 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Patrick:

    YOu can’t expect him to once again be at 95-96 this soon after getting into game action, after major shoulder surgery. If he is at 92-93, thats good enough if he can continue to progress with his change up and slider as good as it is

  104. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Nova: Nice sinker to get the DP. One more out.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    “Pineda doesn’t need to sit at 95 to pitch well.”

    Apparently QFT!

  106. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Pineda’s surgery was 2 years ago. If he is still babying his shoulder now then he likely ain’t ever getting that velocity back. You know you train to do things by actually doing them. Not not doing them and hoping you can actually do them when the time comes. If Pineda was going to throw hard he’d probably be throwing hard right now. The whole point of his fastball was that he didn’t have to try 100% to throw hard. If he has to max out to throw 92-93-94 then he likely is going to sit 90-91 during the season anyways.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    DP on jam pitch to RHB.

    His problem has been lefties today, he’s really crowding the RHB nicely.

  108. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Ugh, so unlucky. Vato’s sinker actually is looking really good now.

  109. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    I’m going to guess that Pineda’s average fastball velocity this year will be 91.2.

  110. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Zoological!

  111. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    YOu can’t expect him to once again be at 95-96 this soon after getting into game action, after major shoulder surgery. If he is at 92-93, thats good enough if he can continue to progress with his change up and slider as good as it is

    I don’t expect him to be 95-96 ever again. He might still have a career but he will never be the ace the Yankees traded for which is really a shame.

    Like I said, he’s a 5th starter at best and that’s only if he can turn his changeup into something serviceable. Otherwise he will be a middle reliever.

    It’s been 2 years since he got surgery, if he hasn’t found his velocity by now it’s never coming back.

  112. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    Pineda doesn’t need to sit at 95 to pitch well.

    —————

    No one is saying he has to, but it’s the pitcher we traded for. A lot of his success was a result of his velo. Can he be effective without it? Theoretically yes. But he needs to make it happen.

    It’s going to take time.. he should start in the minors until he’s full comfortable airing it out without limits.

  113. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Nova game: Out at plate? Was that Flores throwing that in? Think they review it?

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Pineda’s working on a 0.00 ERA. Hopefully he can improve…

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    NICE play by Cervelli to reach across for the tag

  116. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Aside from the velocity how did Pineda look? Command? How was the slider? If the velocity doesn’t come all the say back then those things are gonna determine how good he is.

  117. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Pineda probably want ever get back his pre-surgery velo, so no he won’t be that pitcher, but he is not an 89-91 velo pitcher either. More like 91-93 sitting which is decent IF he can locate and use a change. Slider’s still filthy.

  118. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    last thing we have to worry about is pinedas innings.

  119. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Pruf, Cervy showing his athleticism there. Nice tag.

  120. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Pineda also isn’t holding anything back, because you know it takes armspeed and effort to throw breaking pitches right? And some of his sliders have been high 80s so he is throwing his sliders max effort.

  121. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Cone good point about Pineda cutting off his fastballs. You can see the lack of extension.

  122. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Pineda’s surgery was 2 years ago. If he is still babying his shoulder now then he likely ain’t ever getting that velocity back. You know you train to do things by actually doing them. Not not doing them and hoping you can actually do them when the time comes. If Pineda was going to throw hard he’d probably be throwing hard right now. The whole point of his fastball was that he didn’t have to try 100% to throw hard. If he has to max out to throw 92-93-94 then he likely is going to sit 90-91 during the season anyways.
    ————

    This is a good point, but supposedly his velocity was a little higher last time out, he’s not really flowing that well on the mound right now, and he could still be gaining strength. It seems unlikely he gets back to where he was in 2011, but I imagine he’ll tick up a bit more.

  123. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Yeah, but he isn’t finishing. Maybe just mechanical.

  124. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    If Pineda can get his average velo to the 92 range and touch 94/95 with good location and a wipeout slider then he still should be rather good.

    Hughes threw 95 all the time as a Yankee so I’m not sure what Fein is talking about……that said…..I expect Hughes to be much better this year.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    “Pineda also isn’t holding anything back, because you know it takes armspeed and effort to throw breaking pitches right? And some of his sliders have been high 80s so he is throwing his sliders max effort.”

    Still working his way back.

  126. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Aside from the velocity how did Pineda look? Command? How was the slider? If the velocity doesn’t come all the say back then those things are gonna determine how good he is.
    ———–

    Still out there. Doesn’t look great, but the O’s aren’t doing much against him.

  127. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    Pineda’s velocity will likely bump up a bit as the season goes on, but this is like his first ST with the YAnkees where people thought he was just not throwing hard because he was saving it. He ain’t saving it. He simply can’t do it.

    I don’t think he will be a 5th starter though, his slider is too good for that. If he has his command his fastball will play up anyways with the movement but he ain’t going to be a #2 with this stuff.

  128. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    His slider is the pitch touching 92. Looks really good. I’d prefer to see Pineda start and work on things in AAA as well.

  129. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    How many more appearances do you think Pineda gets this spring? 3? 4? I can’t imagine it will be more than that.

    The slider is encouraging.. but how have his other pitches been (besides the FB)? Has it looked like he developed a more effective change?

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Did anyone really expect Pineda to come out and be the pitcher he’s going to be? If so, you were really deluding yourself.

    He hasn’t pitched in the majors since 2012.

    I’m really pleased with what I’ve seen to date. And I know it’s only going to get better.

    Again, working on a 0.00 ERA isn’t dreadful.

  131. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Command has been erratic. Not finishing on FB. Slider does look good though. But I haven’t been worried about that pitch.

  132. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    He is either going to be a #3-#4 type or a nice reliever. Yankees owe it to themselves to work as hard as possible to make the former happen. Should let Pineda work in the minors. If they leave him there till August 1st they get another year of control and can make sure he gets the innings he needs to start next year in the rotation. If they do that they get 4 years of a strong pineda in the rotation. 2015-2018.

  133. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    I don’t think he will be a 5th starter though, his slider is too good for that. If he has his command his fastball will play up anyways with the movement but he ain’t going to be a #2 with this stuff.

    Maybe I’m being too down on him, it’s just disappointing that my last hope of him getting back to 2011 Pineda is gone.

    He still has a nasty slider and a big frame so his velo plays higher than 91 or 92. 92 from a guy that’s 6’5 is way different than 92 from 6’0. He’s still young, only 25 so there is still some upside with developing a 3rd pitch.

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    92 mph. Nice

  135. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

    Nice FB just now. 92. Seems like he is aiming more than pitching though. Not much rhythm.

  136. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    It’s his mechanics today.

    Patience.

    He’s plenty good to be the #5.

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Nothing wrong with the slider

  138. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    The slider is encouraging.. but how have his other pitches been (besides the FB)? Has it looked like he developed a more effective change?
    ———–

    I don’t know if he’s thrown it much. He’s featuring something like a curve, oddly enough.

  139. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    His slider is really good :evil:

  140. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    92 but location was there. Which is what mattered. Wicked slider for the K. 81.

  141. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Did anyone really expect Pineda to come out and be the pitcher he’s going to be? If so, you were really deluding yourself.

    —————-

    Half the blog wants him in the starting rotation Opening Day. :D

  142. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Yep, slider is filthy.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    Nice try by Jete. Pineda’s stuff is looking really good.

  144. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    The most complimentary thing you can say for Jeter on that play is that he moved well barely getting to that slow roller.

  145. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    I want Pineda where it is best for him. If he is ready, on big club, if not, let him work on stuff without undue pressure in AAA.

    Good ending for Pineda.

  146. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    He is either going to be a #3-#4 type or a nice reliever. Yankees owe it to themselves to work as hard as possible to make the former happen. Should let Pineda work in the minor”

    I think this is a little premature for his 2nd appearance after shoulder surgery…..we will see…..

  147. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Pineda was against the O’s B-team, but they didn’t really hurt him when he wasn’t at his best.

  148. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    I don’t know if he’s thrown it much. He’s featuring something like a curve, oddly enough.

    ————–

    I know I sound like a broken record today but until he has his arsenal in order, he needs to work on his stuff in the minors.

    Pineda was always going to be somewhat of a project. When we traded for him, he had an incredible foundation but needed to refine his repertoire. Once we knew he was having the surgery, you knew he’d be even more of a project.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    “Half the blog wants him in the starting rotation Opening Day. :D

    Really? I’m not necessarily getting that, though you might be right. I think that those people are really happy with his progress. I know I am. Where he is on opening day is irrelevant to me. I know that with his stuff, he’ll be on the mound in the Bronx at some poinnt, so when it happens is fine with me.

  150. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    If the Yankees start Pineda in the rotation they will have him for 2014-2017. And I think 2014 is going to end up being a kind of toss year. I really want them to option him and let him work to come back to full starting rotation strength in the minors.

    They can still bring him up for the stretch run and the playoffs in some capacity. I’d rather have 4 and 1/3rd good seasons out of him than 3 good seasons with 1 iffy one mixed in.

    Pineda leans really heavily on the slider but he does throw 2 of them, and his fastball has natural cut/sink/run to it depending on how he throws it so you can make a case that he has ~5 pitches depending on how he is feeling that day. He has a deeper slider that is low 80s and a harder one that is high 80s.

  151. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    I just really hate watching highly touted pitchers come through the Yankees and then watch them sit at 92 and get excited when they touch 94 once in a blue moon. It was nice watching that half year of Joba throwing an easy 97 as a starter. Then his shoulder died :(

    I’m actually a bit jealous of the Mets right now. They have 3 young starters with huge fastballs

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock March 13th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Well both Vato and Pineda done for the day.

    Later

  153. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Pineda wasn’t as sharp/precise as 1st outing Still Kd 5. Changeup good Fastball 88-92 Free with delivery no signs of shoulder woes #Yankees

  154. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    Cone says he has a good changeup.
    So much for that theory.
    His off speed got him thru today.

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    “He is either going to be a #3-#4 type or a nice reliever. Yankees owe it to themselves to work as hard as possible to make the former happen. Should let Pineda work in the minor”

    “I think this is a little premature for his 2nd appearance after shoulder surgery…..we will see…..”

    Ditto to that, blake.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    “Cone says he has a good changeup.
    So much for that theory.”

    :D

    Thought the same thing when he said it.

  157. solaris March 13th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    Sabathia would kill for Pineda’s current fastball.

  158. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    As tall as Pineda is it’s not that unusual for him to have a day where he’s out of whack mechanically this early in the season……I agree with those that say the 97 likely isn’t coming back…..but I don’t think he needs that to be pretty good. He’s shown an ability to command and control the ball in the past and he has a true plus out pitch.

    Basically if he can pitch at 92 and improve his CU then he still should be a good pitcher with the angle he can create and with his slider

  159. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    We have got to see who our Ace will be.
    Hopefully we have one.
    We can still win without one.

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    I absolutely love watching DRob pitch. I can’t wait to see him close for the Yanks.

    I love his energy, love his attitude, love his confidence.

  161. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    Pineda leans really heavily on the slider but he does throw 2 of them

    —————–

    Didn’t realize that, thanks for the info.

    I dunno that they can commit to having him in the minors until August, but I don’t see why they shouldn’t try. When the need is there, call him up. Until then, if no one is injured or grossly ineffective, let him keep learning how to be the new pitcher he’s become.

  162. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Nunie plays his tail off. Nobody can say this guy doesn’t give 1000% to the game!

  163. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    blake, agree.

  164. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    It’s spring training but Pineda has 9 Ks in 4.2 innings…..he’s missing bats

  165. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    I agree with those that say the 97 likely isn’t coming back…..but I don’t think he needs that to be pretty good.

    Yea but pretty good is a far cry from #2-possible ace in the making. In 2011 20% of his fastballs were 97+ mph. It was a big part of why he looked so good in his rookie season. He was facing a lineup of minor leaguers today and had to throw like 60% sliders the likes of which these guys have prolly never seen just to get through it. When he is facing full lineups how good is that fastball going to play? Especially compared with his rookie season where it wasn’t like he was unhittable.

    He looks to me like a Matt Garza type now, with less fastball and more slider.

  166. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    I’m not gonna make any career projections on Pineda, I’m just focused on what this year means for him and – maybe to a greater extent – the org.

    The Yankees have had trouble getting guys to that next step. If they’ve learned anything from the last 5-7 years, it should be that with a guy like Pineda you take your damn time and give him the best chance to succeed as a starter.

  167. yankeefeminista March 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Yeah, Pineda’s also been throwing that 79ish softer pitch that’s more like a curveball. So, you have the two looks.

  168. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    If we all agree that Tanaka is good with a 92 mph heater and a great secondary pitch then we should be equally open minded that Pineda could do the same. Pineda slider is awesome……

  169. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Yea but pretty good is a far cry from #2-possible ace in the making. ”

    I’m not thinking about ace in the making anymore…..I’m thinking about valuable and cheap pitcher and he can still be that. If he becomes more than that it’s gravy.

  170. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    If we all agree that Tanaka is good with a 92 mph heater and a great secondary pitch then we should be equally open minded that Pineda could do the same. Pineda slider is awesome……

    Tanaka has 1 more plus pitch, more pitches in general, better command, and about 1000 more innings pitched in his career though. Pineda has a less defined repertoire, a significantly changed skillset due to injury, and just hasn’t pitched that much. Theres still upside for Pineda though I agree. I do think if they both pitched this season Tanaka’s average fastball velocity would be higher than Pinedas.

  171. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Would having a Matt Garza be so bad? He’s had a pretty good career…..I get wanting what we thought we were getting…..but Montero weighs 400 lbs now…..so if we end up with a cheap Matt Garza then hey that’s pretty good

  172. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    blake,

    Tanaka has a third pitch though (and a 4th, 5th, 6th..) and can reach up to 96 or 97 when he needs it.

    Also we are assuming Pineda can sit at 92 which he hasn’t shown yet.

  173. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Phillies have a perfect game going against the Yanks road team through 5 innings.

  174. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Mmm… the Matt Garza comp might be a good one.

  175. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    JF,
    Point is that he can be successful at 92…..maybe not the monster he could have been…..but good. The yanks just paid 175 million for their ace…..Pineda just needs to contribute and offset payroll to be a success

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    He wasn’t facing a lineup of minor leaguers when he struck out Miguel Cabrera.

    Whatever he looks like to you, if he can go out and win games, you should be happy.

    Some of us aren’t quite as pessimistic about his coming back and see him as a work in progress. And I don’t believe he has to throw 97 to be an ace.

  177. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Again he’s missing lots of bats still at 90-92

  178. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    I agree with Trisha, I really like Robertson, I’m excited when he comes into a game and I have conplete confidence that he’s going to be one of the best closers in the AL this season.

  179. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    Montero weighs 400 lbs and I don’t even know what Noesi is doing…..if Pineda is Matt Garza then we win by a lot…..and that’s not even counting Campos

  180. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    I think Montero is hitting this spring

  181. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    as of now we are winning that trade and campos > noesi w/out a doubt.

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    “I’m not gonna make any career projections on Pineda, I’m just focused on what this year means for him and – maybe to a greater extent – the org.

    The Yankees have had trouble getting guys to that next step. If they’ve learned anything from the last 5-7 years, it should be that with a guy like Pineda you take your damn time and give him the best chance to succeed as a starter.”

    Couldn’t agree with you more Shame.

  183. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    I have conplete confidence that he’s going to be one of the best closers in the AL this season.
    ====================
    better lock him up then, don’t let him reach FA..

  184. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    Sizemore breaks up the perfect game.

  185. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    the way it’s looking, if we got another david phelps out of fatty montero, we did ok.

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Shame, are you any closer to your prediction? I know you still have some time left.

  187. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    RadioKev says:
    March 13, 2014 at 2:30 pm
    I think Montero is hitting this spring

    So did Enrique Wilson one spring…..we shall see

  188. Hankflorida March 13th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Cashman, and whoever else looks at these things, just lack the talent to assess hitters. Almonte could hit .280 and bop 25 homers if he were relied upon and got regular ABs. From there, he could be even better in terms of hitting for average.

    Alfred, if Almonte can give us Swisher numbers and Ellsbury is the elite table setter, why extend Gardener? It makes no sense to rob the outfield of power when we lost Cano and A-Rod. I truly believe the name on the marquee for the Yankees should remain “The Bronx Bombers” instead of “Running on Empty,” or in other words, manufacturing runs without the long ball does not play well in “The House That Ruth Built.”

  189. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Zoilo is hitting .450 and Ichiro 1.50…. just saying

  190. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    .150 sorry. Ichiro is worth $1.50

  191. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    now that i’ve called him fatty, it is only fair to jesus to mention that he’s got 2HR, 5RBI and is OPSing .976 so far this ST.

  192. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    Id like to see zoological on the club but he woukdnt get to play much……not sure that’s best for him

  193. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    “Zoilo is hitting .450 and Ichiro 1.50…. just saying”

    If Ichiro is hitting 1.50, that’s quite a trick!

    :D

  194. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    Point is that he can be successful at 92

    I don’t think he is going to average 92 though. Can he be successful at 90-91? I think if he was Matt Garza that’d be awesome. If his changeup really comes along and he is just insanely successful with the low 90s velocity and his plus slider then that would be awesome too. I can even see that happening.

    The thing about Pineda’s velocity is that of course he can be successful without his 2011 fastball, BUT he has never been successful without it. I’d be more willing to buy into the idea that he can succeed if he had always thrown this speed, but his best success came when he found a 95 mph average fastball and a plus slider. He has yet to face a major league lineup with this new stuff.

  195. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Almonte as the 5th OF behind Soriano doesn’t fly.
    Either trade him or send him down.
    If an OF gets hurt, bring him up to play everyday.

  196. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    “Id like to see zoological on the club but he woukdnt get to play much……not sure that’s best for him”

    That’s always the trade off and I don’t think it’s a great one. That’s why I felt so bad for Adam Warren last year.

  197. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    We have 5 regulars that will hit for power: Beltran, Teixeira, McCann, Soriano and Johnson. Not a powerhouse but should be enough with good pitching.

  198. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Montero has hit every single spring training he has been a part of. Who cares what he is hitting now. Look at his spring stats and you’ll see he was over .300 in all of them with power. Its because he either played in Florida or in the desert in AZ. Then he goes to Safeco and enjoys the bad atmospherics and cavernous park and wilts.

  199. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Pineda has seemed to sit 90/91 and has touched 92/93 so far……it’s not a huge stretch that he’d add 2 mph to those and pitch at 92 and touch 94/95 during the season. I believe there are reports that he was touch 95 late last year

  200. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Nice play by Flaherty.

  201. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    It’s 65 today in Tampa today as well…..little cool….I wish Pineda would come out throwing 95 as well but I never expected that. This is about what I expected to be honest…..low 90s….I’m hoping he can bump that up to pitching at 92/93 and touchin higher on the season but right now he just needs to be and stay healthy

  202. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    The best hitter in baseball looked overmatched. Miguel Cabrera waited in the batter’s box. Michael Pineda stood on the mound.

    After ball one, Pineda went to work. He used a slider that Cabrera missed to even up the count. He followed that up with a nasty curve. Up 1-2, Pineda returned to the slider, and Cabrera could not stop his swing.

    It is only spring training, but it highlighted an extremely impressive exhibition debut for Pineda.

    “It is tough to get Cabrera to swing and miss twice,” one scout said.

    In all, Pineda went two shutout innings. He struck out four and walked none. His precision was excellent, firing 21 of his 27 pitches for strikes.

    And his velocity?

    It was pretty good, with scouts clocking his fastball at 91-93 miles per hour and his slider at 79-82.”

    I’m thinking that any panic or consternation is both premature and wasted.

  203. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Sorry. Should have read.

    The best hitter in baseball looked overmatched. Miguel Cabrera waited in the batter’s box. Michael Pineda stood on the mound.

    After ball one, Pineda went to work. He used a slider that Cabrera missed to even up the count. He followed that up with a nasty curve. Up 1-2, Pineda returned to the slider, and Cabrera could not stop his swing.

    It is only spring training, but it highlighted an extremely impressive exhibition debut for Pineda.

    “It is tough to get Cabrera to swing and miss twice,” one scout said.

    In all, Pineda went two shutout innings. He struck out four and walked none. His precision was excellent, firing 21 of his 27 pitches for strikes.

    And his velocity?

    It was pretty good, with scouts clocking his fastball at 91-93 miles per hour and his slider at 79-82.”

    I’m thinking that any panic or consternation is both premature and wasted.

  204. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    Beautiful bunt by Nunie.

  205. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    We should save our pessimism for the infield

  206. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    The curve in that article is his 2nd slider. So he missed with a FB vs Cabrera then threw 3 breaking balls to get him out. In spring training. Thats nice. His sliders are very very good.

  207. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    blake, I think you’ve explained it very well. And I agree with you that it isn’t inconceivable for him to bump up his velo. In fact, I absolutely believe he will. If he’s hit 93 already, hitting 95 isn’t that far reached.

    Onward and upward.

  208. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    I think I remember Joba striking out Miggy on 3 pitches last year

  209. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Ellsbomb

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    “In spring training.”

    Well you can’t have it both ways. You can’t minimize something he’s done saying it’s only spring training and then overanalyze what he’s doing and build an entire story around it.

  211. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Ellsbury HR.

  212. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    If the Phillies would give Rollins away should we take him? I lean towards no…..he had a .348 Slg % last year

  213. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    After the Yankees come back from Panama, Ill pay some attention to what hitters are doing against our pitchers. In the first couple of weeks, the pitchers are ahead of the hitters. The next couple of weeks the hitters will be getting their timing back and playing full or almost full games, then we’ll get a little taste of how the pitchers are doing vs. good hitters.

    So I’m happy our pitchers have done well, just in that they seem healthy and there are few hitches so far. But as for who they struck out or how they made this hitter or that hitter look, i pay no attention at this point.

    And so far, striking out Miggy in a very early ST game is the highlight of Pineda’s career as a Yankee, which is to say he’s done nothing yet.

  214. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Why can’t MLB cover the other Yankee game?
    2 Games at once would do just fine..

  215. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Well you can’t have it both ways. You can’t minimize something he’s done saying it’s only spring training and then overanalyze what he’s doing and build an entire story around it.

    What we are analyzing is far different than the result of one at bat. Like I’m sure Jamie Moyer has struck out Miguel Cabrera at some point but his stuff is still garbage.

  216. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    MLB has the other game on mick!

  217. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Well you can’t have it both ways. You can’t minimize something he’s done saying it’s only spring training and then overanalyze what he’s doing and build an entire story around it.

    You’re confusing two very different aspects of spring training: the results and the physical readiness of the player. The results tend to not matter much, though of course we want everyone to produce good results if possible. How a player is throwing though is not really up to subjective debate. You can’t say that Pineda was actually throwing 95 when he wasn’t.

    There are lots of guys who stink in spring and do well in the season and vice versa, so Pineda’s performance in spring training doesn’t tell us much about how he will do during the season if he plays.

  218. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    are you watching 2 games at once?

  219. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Mr. mick,
    mlb.tv does have both games on.

  220. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    No to Rollins, he is done, probably more done than Jeter. In any situation where the YAnkees consider trading for Jimmy Rollins they should just slap themselves in the head and sign Stephen Drew.

  221. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    tampa is cool today. pineda looked under control and not out to show us he has velo.
    some call that poise.

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    “What we are analyzing is far different than the result of one at bat. Like I’m sure Jamie Moyer has struck out Miguel Cabrera at some point but his stuff is still garbage.”

    You are analyzing a guy who hasn’t pitched for an entire year and has all of what, 6 innings? Go for it.

    For a guy who hasn’t pitched for an entire year and hit 93 already, I’d say he looks damned good.

    But if you want to use “rest of his career” analysis on his first two ST starts and call out the national guard, have at.

  223. mick March 13th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    have to go to other room to see again…mlb had some other game on…thanks

  224. Hassey March 13th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Pineda vultures the win in game 6 clincher of this year’s ALCS

  225. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    mick – I switched to the 2nd game now. I couldn’t go back and forth and enjoy it!

  226. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Cervelli single and rbi.

  227. Hassey March 13th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    We are gonna have guys flying around the bases all year. A very tough team to play against

  228. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    “What we are analyzing is far different than the result of one at bat. Like I’m sure Jamie Moyer has struck out Miguel Cabrera at some point but his stuff is still garbage.”

    His stuff isn’t garbage…..he’s struck out 9 guys is like 4 innings and he still has a wipeout slider…..it’s just not what it was….doesn’t mean it’s garbage though.

  229. blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    “No to Rollins, he is done, probably more done than Jeter. In any situation where the YAnkees consider trading for Jimmy Rollins they should just slap themselves in the head and sign Stephen Drew.”

    Why haven’t they signed drew yet again?

  230. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    “How a player is throwing though is not really up to subjective debate. You can’t say that Pineda was actually throwing 95 when he wasn’t.”

    Right. And I’m not disappointed because I didn’t expect him to be at 95, any more than I expected to see CC top out at his peak season speed. Even moreso with Pineda since he’s still working his way back.

  231. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    I think they are gonna add an infielder before opening day and Johnson will be made the utility guy and Nunez will be either traded or in AAA…..Sizemore will be in AAA and Anna will be in AAA too

  232. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    His stuff isn’t garbage…..he’s struck out 9 guys is like 4 innings and he still has a wipeout slider…..it’s just not what it was….doesn’t mean it’s garbage though.

    Ahh I never said Pineda’s stuff is garbage, I was making a comparison to Jamie Moyer who used to throw like 82.

    The point is that you can analyse stuff while disregarding the results.

  233. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    They can stash Sizemore at Scranton for a little while right? When is his opt out

  234. Hassey March 13th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    when you come form a small town, is playing for the Yankees in Staten Island still a perk? Really not much about the island that is a perk

  235. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    “The point is that you can analyse stuff while disregarding the results.”

    Sure but you can’t make final determinations on stuff on March 13th either …..

  236. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    @Joelsherman1: #Yankees optioned Jose Campos to Single-A Tampa. he was second piece NYY received in Montero-Pineda deal

  237. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    @PeteAbe: Peavy working on a split-finger fastball. Talked to Uehara about it. He thinks it’s game-worthy. #redsox

  238. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    Sure but you can’t make final determinations on stuff on March 13th either …..

    This conversation sure is going around and around in circles …..

    No kidding you can’t make final determination but you can draw some valid conclusions.

    Lets summarize so we can stop saying the same things over and over:
    Pineda has been rehabbing for 2 years now, if he hasn’t gotten back to 96-97 he probably never will. Without that velocity it’s highly unlikely he develops into the ace we expected him to be. If he sits at 92 and develops a change (something he hasn’t shown yet but its conceivable he could do so) he might end up like a Matt Garza type. That would be an okay thing but it kind of stinks we don’t have a young ace like we expected back in 2011.

  239. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    Nice grab by Canzler.

  240. Hassey March 13th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    the baseball gods can’t let Uehara throw zeroes again this year.

  241. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    “Pineda has been rehabbing for 2 years now, if he hasn’t gotten back to 96-97 he probably never will. Without that velocity it’s highly unlikely he develops into the ace we expected him to be.”

    He’s hit 93 so it’s not inconceivable that he’ll hit 95 – or even 96. He may never sit on 97 again, but losing two MPH, if he gets to 95, isn’t fatal. His secondary pitches are stunning.

    Pitchers learn to make adjustments throughout their careers.

    While I may never seen the Michael Pineda who pitches at 97 mph, I’m not convinced I won’t see an ace.

    You learn to live with things that you can’t control.

  242. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    “Without that velocity it’s highly unlikely he develops into the ace we expected him to be. ”

    We are talking around each other…..I agree with that…..but I’m no longer even thinking about ace with Pineda…..I just want valuable young and cheap pitcher. If he can be a solid 3rd starter then I’m really happy…..if he’s more than that then great.

    So yes….he has a lesser chance of being a #1 starter if he can’t throw 97 anymore……at the same time he can still be good at 92 and really at this point that’s all we should be hoping for

  243. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Nunez and Johnson at 3rd.
    Nuney looked gold glove on that play!
    Sizemore plays everyday for a month at aaa then decide.

  244. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    That would be an okay thing but it kind of stinks we don’t have a young ace like we expected back in 2011.
    ==================
    We will get our young Ace in Scherzer next year…if he will have us.

  245. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    He’s hit 93 so it’s not inconceivable that he’ll hit 95 – or even 96. He may never sit on 97 again, but losing two MPH, if he gets to 95, isn’t fatal.

    He sat at 95 though in 2011. He averaged 94.7 on his fastball. 20% of his pitches were 97 or better. He isn’t ever getting even close to this. We’re looking at maybe averaging 92 and touching 95. And likely touching 95 less than he touched 97 before.

    Its a huge change in Pineda’s arsenal. He is basically Joba Chamberlain after his shoulder injury, or Phil Hughes after 2007.

  246. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    “the baseball gods can’t let Uehara throw zeroes again this year.”

    The sons suffer for the sins of the fathers. I think Uehara is going to be forced to pay for the cheating of Bucholz, Lester, and Tazawa. Tough thing, but I don’t make the rules. :)

    Sorry, Koji.

  247. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    blake,

    Agreed.

    trisha,

    Pineda is sitting at 90 right now. You are dreaming if you think he can improve his velocity that much. He’s a 2 pitch pitcher and one of those pitches went from being plus plus to average. So you are banking on him improving his fastball by 5 MPH and making his changeup into a plus pitch (currently below average). Again, I say, it’s HIGHLY unlikely Pineda will ever be an ace. Maybe 1% chance?

  248. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    We will get our young Ace in Scherzer next year…if he will have us.

    He’ll be 30.

  249. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Scherzer is almost 30….:they just gave 175 million to the guy they think will be their ace……despite all the 3rd starter talk you don’t give that kind of coin unless you love the player

  250. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 3:17 pm

    Didn’t he have the same surgery as Anibal Sanchez who had an ERA under 3.00 last year in Detroit? He needs to learn how to Pitch which clearly he’s doing now.

  251. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    ‘Its a huge change in Pineda’s arsenal. He is basically Joba Chamberlain after his shoulder injury, or Phil Hughes after 2007.”

    I would call that a vast overstatement!

    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

  252. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    blake-how would you compare baby backs to st louie ribs?

    place had a deal buy one get one free…got the babies for 24.99 total for a rack and a half.

    have to reheat at 325 for 10-15 minutes…preheat for how long?

  253. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    Schilling had the same surgery as well….shoulder surgery is much more variable than elbow though…..

  254. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    I said a few days ago that I thought it was unlikely that Pineda was ready and that Phelps should be the Yanks 5th starter. Now I’m sure of it and I suspect everyone else will feel the same way.

    This was minor league lineup he faced today. If he were facing a major league team he might have gotten hurt out there. He had more fastballs under 90 than over. That’s pretty much all you need to know. I thought he was low 90s LAST year. I wonder if he’s regressing. I wonder if it’s something mechanical.

    People need to properly calibrate expectations for Manny and Pineda. They both belong in AAA. Their performance will tell you when they are ready. And specifically with Pineda, it will be the radar gun.

    Now that Pineda has been dispatched with for the foreseeable future, the new kid on the block in really an old kid. Nuno. He never really had much of a chance for the 5th spot this spring. And anyway, Phelps has rightfully earned it. But I’d say Nuno has moved up to the 6th guy right now. We’ll have to see how he pitches the rest of ST but I said last May I thought he could be an effective starter back then.

  255. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Pineda will be the 5th starter if healthy…..whether that’s the right decision is a sepetate argument

  256. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Didn’t he have the same surgery as Anibal Sanchez who had an ERA under 3.00 last year in Detroit? He needs to learn how to Pitch which clearly he’s doing now.

    Shoulder injuries aren’t like TJS though. With TJS you have a very uniform recovery by all the players involved. With a shoulder injury, even with a similar surgery, you can have different results because the shoulder is such a mess anatomically.

  257. Hankflorida March 13th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    blake March 13th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
    Ellsbomb

    Just as I was getting to accept Ellsbury as Mickey Rivers and not Ricky Henderson, he goes ahead and bangs one out.

  258. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 13th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Patrick – we’ll agree to disagree.

    And by the way, according to David Cone, he’s a three pitch pitcher (actually 4 if you want to consider his two sliders.)

    I believe he will be an ace. You are free to believe what you want.

    To me, the rest is all superfluous chatter.

  259. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    ellsbury and johnson will hit 20 bombs this year.
    30 for beltran, mccann, tex and soriano.

  260. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    mick says:
    March 13, 2014 at 3:22 pm
    ellsbury and johnson will hit 20 bombs this year.
    30 for beltran, mccann, tex and soriano.

    I’m hoping johnson doesn’t play enough to hit 20′bombs…..because if he does that means you’re also getting a lot of bad defense at 3b and a .300 OBP for a corner infielder

  261. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    johnson could wind up at 2nd.

  262. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    And by the way, according to David Cone, he’s a three pitch pitcher (actually 4 if you want to consider his two sliders.)

    David Cone also said that Hughes had a good curveball in the season that 2 starts later Phil Hughes said “my curve sucks I am working on a new grip now.”

    You have to consider things said on a YES broadcast to be slanted positively towards the Yankees. Have to also consider that Pineda doesnt even throw the change up so you might have a selection bias towards Pineda only throwing it in the 100% maximum best situations where even a bad or average change up looks good due to situation and batter. It might not be good enough to be a true third pitch. Kind of like how even a bad curveball can steal strike 1 sometimes. doesn’t make it a good curve.

  263. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    mick says:
    March 13, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    johnson could wind up at 2nd.

    Still….bad defense and mostly bad offense…..I agree he will hit 20 bombs if he plays every day….the problem is that he’s not that for at anything else

  264. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    Not that good

  265. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    “Pineda will be the 5th starter if healthy…..whether that’s the right decision is a sepetate argument”

    —-

    Pineda threw three innings today against a minor league team. In a couple days, Phelps will probably throw six. The writing has really been on the wall for quite awhile now. You have to want it read tho.

  266. Russell Munson March 13th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Pineda pitched 40+ innings in the minors last year. Let’s not pretend he’s just coming off surgery.

  267. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Blake-whats the answer to my rib inquiry?

  268. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Pineda threw three innings today against a minor league team. In a couple days, Phelps will probably throw six. The writing has really been on the wall for quite awhile now. You have to want it read tho.”

    Girardi has hinted that it’s Pineda’s to lose…..these 5th starter competitons are always rigged and I think they want it to be Pineda

  269. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    mick says:
    March 13, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    Blake-whats the answer to my rib inquiry?

    What inquiry is that?

  270. mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    see 3:19 post

  271. Jeremy March 13th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    I don’t get all of this talk about such and such not being an ace if he doesn’t hit 97 mph. I don’t think many people considered Pineda to be a number 1 but he could be a really good pitcher. Jon Lester’s fastball sits around 92-94 mph and no one in Boston complains. Velocity is not the end all be all.

  272. Hankflorida March 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    mick March 13th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
    ellsbury and johnson will hit 20 bombs this year.
    30 for beltran, mccann, tex and soriano.

    Hope your right as now your talking 1998 Yankee offensive numbers that gave us 900 runs. As for Ellsbury giving us a .300 average with 50 thefts and over 20 round trippers, those numbers make him a good replacement for our loss of Cano.

  273. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    I don’t get all of this talk about such and such not being an ace if he doesn’t hit 97 mph. I don’t think many people considered Pineda to be a number 1 but he could be a really good pitcher. Jon Lester’s fastball sits around 92-94 mph and no one in Boston complains. Velocity is not the end all be all.

    Jon Lester is a lefty and also not an ace.

  274. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    “Girardi has hinted that it’s Pineda’s to lose…..these 5th starter competitons are always rigged and I think they want it to be Pineda”

    Actually I think the opposite is true. After Pineda’s strong performance last week, Girardi toned down expectations calling it a good first step. Irrespective, it’s not what Girardi says that’s important, it’s what the Yanks do. And even before today, Phelps was way ahead of Pineda in starter preparation.

  275. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    I think the best plan going forward is to stash Pineda in AAA, have him work on his changeup and go with Phelps as the fifth starter. Warren is your 6th starter.

  276. champ809 March 13th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Roy Halladay was for a 5 year or so stretch considered the best pitcher in baseball and he worked off a 90-93mph fastball.

    Chris Carpenter won a CY and was considered an ace for championship teams working 90-93.

    Glavine was a 2 pitch pitcher who’s hardest pitch in his entire career may have been 93 he’s going to the HOF.

    Pineda can be an excellent pitcher at 90-93 depending on how he develops. Having said that I personally think he’ll see an uptick in his velo as he goes forward and would not be surprised to see him get up to working at 92-95 later in the season.

  277. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Oh ok I’ll just hope Pineda becomes Roy Halladay or Chris Carpenter

    You realize how crazy what you’re saying is right?

    As I said earlier, there is a slight chance Pineda can be an ace but it’s unlikely. If you are banking on him being Roy Halladay I have a bridge to sell you.

  278. champ809 March 13th, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    I disagree. Assuming Pineda’s 100% healthy then he should be the 5th starter as he is the better player and more relevant piece to the team’s future.

    I like Phelps and have always liked him but all things being equal, imo, the best case scenario has Pineda breaking camp in the 5th starter role, Phelps as the 6th starter/longman.

    I would just run Pineda out there every 5th day and not look to artificially control his innings in any way. Set an innings limit # and when he hits that # shut him down for the remainder of the season.

  279. blake March 13th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    Mick,
    In general baby backs are smaller and have less fat. Spare ribs (St. Louis cut) are thicker and have more meat and more flavor IMO…..they take a little longer to cook

  280. champ809 March 13th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Patrick I’m not banking on him being anybody but Pineda. What I am doing is blowing holes in the theory that a picher can’t be an ace without a 97+mph heater.

    In my opinion you sound crazy saying that Pineda won’t be anything more than a #5type starter based off his velo readings 5 innings into his spring training work.

  281. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    champ,

    As Jerkface mentioned earlier, a big reason why he was a top pitcher in 2011 was his velocity. He threw an easy 95-96 with a wipeout slider and that was enough. Take away the velocity and he has an average fastball and a still very good slider. The pitchers you mentioned all had multiple plus or plus-plus pitches. Heck, Halladay had 5 above average pitches! Name me an ace that had one plus pitch.

    In the course of our discussion I revised my initial “5th starter” prediction and agreed he could become a Matt Garza type of pitcher.

    Yes Pineda COULD be an ace. Very unlikely though.

  282. jlyanks85 March 13th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Phelps and warren aren’t going to get any better than what they are now as pitchers. Pineda least had upside to be better than those 2, maybe better where he can be a solid 3-4. Which is why I’d least let him going into the season with the team as the 5th starter. If he gets hammered early on, then send him down and let phelps take the spot.

  283. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Man, one game at diminished velocity and the guy gets piled on.

    Pineda sat 92-93 in the minors last year and touched 95-96. He was 92-93 in his last start this spring. So one start and suddenly he is in trouble and needs to add 5mph to his fastball to even be a #5 starter? Ridiculous.

  284. Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    It’s March 13th… 2 Days After March 11th which is when we all realized CC was still only throwing mid 80s. Relax. There’s still a few more starts each before pitchers are even reaching the 85-100 pitch marks. Most pitchers are still “testing” pitches out right now.

  285. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Phelps and Pineda are going to be pitchers in MLB for at least a few years. I hate those numbers, 1,3, etc.

  286. Jeremy March 13th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    bbb51

    LOL ! It’s ridiculous, and I don’t recall anyone saying that Pineda would be the ace of the staff. He can still be a really dominant pitcher with that kind of velocity and stuff. Plenty of pitchers dominated without throwing the ball at 97 mph.

  287. joeman March 13th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    how many AB’s has Tex had this spring in a game

  288. Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    Pineda sat 92-93 in the minors last year and touched 95-96. He was 92-93 in his last start this spring. So one start and suddenly he is in trouble and needs to add 5mph to his fastball to even be a #5 starter? Ridiculous.

    Source the velo claims from last year please.

    Also, I said he’s a 5th starter NOW, if he wants to get back to ace status he would need to add velocity.

  289. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    Allie Reynolds and Whitey Ford could never be better than #3s, by some of you guys’ standards.

  290. joeman March 13th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    NYY should offer Drew a 1 year contract to play 3rd and SS which will release KJ to play all over the field

  291. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Patrick March 13th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    Pineda sat 92-93 in the minors last year and touched 95-96. He was 92-93 in his last start this spring. So one start and suddenly he is in trouble and needs to add 5mph to his fastball to even be a #5 starter? Ridiculous.

    Source the velo claims from last year please.

    Also, I said he’s a 5th starter NOW, if he wants to get back to ace status he would need to add velocity.

    Ask YF. I don’t know of a source offhand, those were the gun readings last year.

  292. blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    I just watched Pineda throw…..he looks healthy to me…..he’s getting around some fastballs and it’s zapping the velo. The ones he stayed on too of stayed on target and were 92 mostly……tells me that it’s there….he just has to tighten up his delivery and stay on top. The slider is wipe out…..it looks great. N

    Those 89 mph fastballs he threw almost had cutter action to them…..now he’s not trying to throw a cutter….but it explains why they are slower.

    I think he looks pretty good considering…..we need to stop thinking about the guy that threw 98 and stop bein disappointed if he’s no longer a potential “ace”…..we need only good pitcher and big league starter who can fill a rotation spot effectively and cheaply. Anything he does beyond that is extra

  293. Pat M. March 13th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    Never been a big fan of Vegas ( unlike our friend SJ ) but man The MGM Grand is quite the gig. I live by the ocean and although the golf courses are beautiful but somehow they just aren’t a green and plush as the courses in Palm Springs and Las Vegas. Just zipping through the comments and Michael Pineda is still on the outside looking in for many LoHudders. Must me the Montero hangover and of course he just might steal some of the spot light from the 173 million dollar man. Time will tell, but until he gives up a run give the guy some respect. Jerkface, you’re the type of guy pitchers like to throw at

  294. blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    joeman says:
    March 13, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    NYY should offer Drew a 1 year contract to play 3rd and SS which will release KJ to play all over the field

    Well yea…..of course they should . Hal has to authorize the money

  295. joeman March 13th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
    joeman says:
    March 13, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    NYY should offer Drew a 1 year contract to play 3rd and SS which will release KJ to play all over the field

    Well yea…..of course they should . Hal has to authorize the money
    —————————————————————————-
    this infield will bite them in the azz this season

  296. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    blake,
    It’ obvious by now that no club loves Drew, and no club loves Boras, either. Let it be.

  297. joeman March 13th, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    Pat M. March 13th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
    Never been a big fan of Vegas ( unlike our friend SJ ) but man The MGM Grand is quite the gig. I live by the ocean and although the golf courses are beautiful but somehow they just aren’t a green and plush as the courses in Palm Springs and Las Vegas. Just zipping through the comments and Michael Pineda is still on the outside looking in for many LoHudders. Must me the Montero hangover and of course he just might steal some of the spot light from the 173 million dollar man. Time will tell, but until he gives up a run give the guy some respect. Jerkface, you’re the type of guy pitchers like to throw at
    ———————————————————
    been to Vegas 14 times in the last 10 years….going again April 13

  298. jpmatrixfan88 March 13th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Patrick, you are flat out wrong, sorry. No pineda is not an ace and wont likely be one but to say he isnt even a number 5 is completely and utterly laughable. Pinedas velocity was better his last start and was better last year in the minors. You DO know there is more than just aces and #5 starters right? You act like he cant be in the middle. Right now he is a serviceable #4 maybe a number three with the chance for more. 92 mph with an amazing slider and good change (below average? Lol no) is enough to get hitters out. Not at ace level but MUCH more than someone who “isnt even a number five.”

    He was 91-93 his last start which is what he was last year in rehab starts, occasionally touching 95. So theres no reason not to believe he cant AT LEAST do what he did last year.

    Some of you people that judge players on one game, let alone a game in march, really dont know anything about baseball. So annoying.

  299. joeman March 13th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    not counting my yearly trip to Borgata in AC along my trips to Mohegan Sun…….Bellagio & Vegas is the Best

  300. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....a-2-95708/

    There’s an article from last year saying Pineda was sitting low 90′s and touching 94-95.

    That’s enough, and that was last year just coming back from rehab.

    Lots of good pitchers throw at that velocity, he just needs command and he has the very good sliders, which is the most effective pitch in baseball according to our stats guru.

  301. RadioKev March 13th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Ellsbury crushed that home run. I’m liking the odds for 20 HRs.

  302. Against All Odds March 13th, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    we need to stop thinking about the guy that threw 98 and stop bein disappointed if he’s no longer a potential “ace”…..

    —————-

    For this season I agree but going forward the whole point of trading for him was to have a hard throwing top of the rotation ace.

  303. blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    March 13, 2014 at 4:40 pm
    blake,
    It’ obvious by now that no club loves Drew, and no club loves Boras, either. Let it be.

    The yanks loved boras a lot this winter…..they have his clients a lot of money

  304. blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    “For this season I agree but going forward the whole point of trading for him was to have a hard throwing top of the rotation ace.”

    Well yea that’s why they traded for him….but when you have shoulder surgery you have to adjust expectations. The mariners traded for Montero to hit on the middle of their lineup…..it don’t always work as you plan

  305. blake March 13th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: orioles, rays and mets all talking to mariners about nick franklin. http://t.co/ZYOR3OLc1V

    Cashman where are you

  306. joeman March 13th, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Ells will go early in the 2nd rd of my fantasy draft…will be fun to watch this year

  307. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Found an interesting stat about Ellsbury.

    His flyball % on batted balls has stayed pretty consistent throughout his career, including 2011 when he hit 32 HR. But in 2011 he had a 16.7% HR/FB ratio, his career average is 8.4% (which is lifted a little by the outlier year).

  308. Pat M. March 13th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    bbb51. The most difficult pitch to hit is a good fastball on anyone of the four corners. It’s always been that way and regardless of stat guru’s it’s still that way. Dang, Arizona is a real good basketball team regardless of injuries

  309. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    So what do you think of my boy Zolio? He just keeps slashing. Hitting the ball where it’s pitched and hitting pretty good pitching. Turned around 95 big time yesterday.

    It was interesting to hear Coney TWICE say what I’ve been saying the past few days. This guy needs to play in the major leagues. And not as a backup. He deserves starter time. Hell, last May I was calling on the Yanks to promote Zolio and platoon him with Wells (I also wanted Ichiro released last May too and replace with Neal haha).

    Right now, Zolio and Nuno have better odds of having effective major league careers than just about any prospect in the Yankee system not named Murphy. But they are victims of Prospect Industry bias and it’s questionable whether they will ever get a real shot. They just got to keep plugging away. Like Boggs and Mattingly did. The “experts” didn’t think much of them either.

  310. jpmatrixfan88 March 13th, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    Blake, I agree that we have to temper expectations but I believe that Pinedas velocity will continue to improve. To what I dont know. But in his last start his velocity was better, last year.his velocity was better. Hell even in May in EXTENDED SPRING GAMES he topped out at 95. And that was just.coming bavk from rehab. If i had to bet if say in mid season hhe will sit 92-94 with some 95s and 96s sprinkled in. Anyone saying he throws 90 now based on one start isnt paying attention.

  311. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    Its interesting to me that Pineda’s fastball is always faster when he is untelevised.

  312. tomingeorgia March 13th, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Villanova lost their #1 seed today, Mrs. Tom is bent out of shape. Wife #2, a Seaton Hall grad, should be happy, though. Why do I keep marrying Big East women?

  313. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    Some more notes on today’s home game:

    –Will Jeter ever hit the ball in the air against a righty? I wonder what is the lowest BA Jeter can get away with this year and still keep the noise down? .250? I imagine if the Yanks are winning and Jeter is hitting .250 that would be ok. But if he’s in the .230s, I don’t know.

    –Nunie vs. Anna today for the last spot. Pretty much a draw. I saw a nice pick in the field for Nunez. He’s having a pretty good camp. Playing a lot of positions which is what the team wants out of him now.

    –Leroux is looking sharp. He doesn’t have a shot now because he’s not on 40 man but he may be an option down the road. I haven’t liked Claiborne for quite awhile now and he got knocked around good today. Something to watch.

    –Kenny was awesome during the broadcast. They showed an old pic of him from his playing days wearing the standard tight uniform of the times. Coney said, “hey look at that tight uni.” Kenny then replied, “yea, you saw the whole package in those days.” Awesome.

  314. Cashmoney March 13th, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    I would just like to see Pineda accrued 50 big league innings first.

  315. blake March 13th, 2014 at 5:11 pm

    –Nunie vs. Anna today for the last spot. Pretty much a draw. I saw a nice pick in the field for Nunez. He’s having a pretty good camp. Playing a lot of positions which is what the team wants out of him now.”

    Anna because he can actually play defense a little…..but I’m hoping it’s neither

  316. Cashmoney March 13th, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    Prime Time has been very good at 2b and 3b so far this ST. you either carry Anna or Brendan, Anna has a noodle stick.

  317. Poetkiosk March 13th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    So Pineda has a clearly dominant encouraging start and I come here expecting some happy faces and instead there’s quote a bit of talk about how bad he is and he will never be more than a #5 and most likely a mediocre reliever. Seriously, what the hell are some of you guys like when a pitcher actually stinks.

    I’m with Trish here. His ST has been very encouraging and he may be a top of the rotation guy.

    Our two aces may just be Tanaka and Pineda.

  318. blake March 13th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    I wouldn’t call Pineda’s start “dominating”…..he was gettin around a lot of fastballs and his command wasn’t very good. He got fortunate on a couple of atom balls and also was there a single big leaguer in the phillies lineup? That said…..I don’t think it was that bad and think overall he’s looking pretty good considering

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