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Yankees head to Panama for weekend exhibition series

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 13, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

CORRECTION Panama Legend Series BaseballI was sitting in the press box at the time and didn’t step outside to make sure the bus left on the time, but the Yankees were scheduled to leave for the airport at 6 p.m. Their flight to Panama was to land this evening, and tomorrow’s scheduled includes a visit to the Panama Canal and some sort of big — and I’m assuming, fancy — dinner. Mariano Rivera is meeting the team down there.

“I think we’ll get a much bigger sense tomorrow, when we’re there, about how much it means to the country of Panama,” Joe Girardi said. “… I think we know what the Yankees mean to Mo, and I think we know what his country means (to him). To be able to combine the two, I think it’s really special to him. Mo, every winter, goes back home and sees family. Before spring training he would go. He loved his time there. For me, if I was ever able to bring the Yankees to East Peoria, it would a huge deal for me, right? And that’s in the same country. So it is a huge deal.”

Players chosen for the trip seemed excited about going, especially some of the young guys. Girardi said he based his traveling squad around the idea of keeping a bunch of the infielders together in Florida and keeping most of the outfielders together in Panama. He also tried to pick some Latin players to make the trip.

“I’m sure they follow a lot of the Latin stars,” Girardi said. “But I’m sure they follow all our players because of Mo. They follow their team. But I kind of in a sense almost kept the outfield together, Jeet had a responsibility (to go), and then keeping the infielders kinda together.

Girardi said he talked to Rivera a little more than a week ago, and he said there was a definite sense of excitement from the long-time closer, whose role on this trip is expected to be exclusively ceremonial.

“I’ve joked with him about playing an inning in center field,” Girardi said. “But it really hasn’t gotten too far.”

Associated Press photo of Rod Carew Stadium in Panama City

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96 Responses to “Yankees head to Panama for weekend exhibition series”

  1. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    Repost
    I’ve always found it interesting that many here perhaps overvalue prospects but undervalue young players who are slow developing in the majors. Melky was undervalued, but eventually became a good player…Ian Kennedy was undervalued…Jose Rijo…Doug Drabek…Joba (who I think will prove to be a good player)…Tyler Clippard…Mark Melancon….etc. Goes back to Bill Robinson…

    Sometimes it takes a little longer for players to develop and it takes patience, but the patience can pay off to a really good player. Cervelli has been showing great progress and seems on the verge of being a true starting catcher with a strong defensive game and good bat. I hope the Yankees have patience on this one.

  2. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    wallace matthews @ESPNNYYankees
    Postgame notes: Captain struggling http://m.espn.go.com/general/b.....rc=desktop

    So it begins…

  3. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 9:10 pm
    “Any team in baseball that doesn’t have a SS already would probably want Stephen Drew, just like most teams would want a rotation option like Santana. They just don’t want to also give up a draft pick because thats how most teams in baseball build their club. ESPECIALLY with the draft pool changes. If you give up a pick you lose the money from your pool.”
    =======================
    the mets don’t and they need a SS desperately. AND they dont have to give up a first round pick to sign him. They clearly just don’t think he’s worth either the money he turned down nor a multi year deal at a lower AAV.

  4. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    I agree with most of what you wrote. However, on this point it seems you lose the money that was intended to sign the pick you lost. You don’t have that pick so you don’t need the money. Not a lot of guys worth spending over-slot on in the late 2nd round by underpaying your first round pick. It happens, but not enough that you can count on it. I thing this point is a bit overblown to be honest.

    Disagree about the pool money not being important. More than a few teams have reached way under slot deals with college players in the first – compensation rounds so they can overslot guys in the later rounds last draft.

  5. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    BTW–last year most here wanted to see Nova sent packing. Another example of letting a young player grow up.

  6. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    Or they have reached deals with comp / 2nd round guys that are way underslot so they can over slot on the first round pick. This is a pretty big deal for teams with protected picks.

  7. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    “Melky was undervalued, but eventually became a good player”…

    A big thank you to PED’s says the Melkoman….really wonder when he started the stuff ?

    “Ian Kennedy was undervalued”… as an NL pitcher – he gets hammered against the AL (they try to keep him away from the AL)…one good NL year – then basically he’s a midland/crapland NL pitcher

    repost

  8. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Mottsx March 13th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
    Shoulda signed Reynolds to back up tex and right hand platoon 3b
    ==============================

    Agreed.
    Always liked him – good fit.
    Couldn’t promise him the AB’s he wanted.
    Think that he signed while the NYY were still in 189 mode.

    (before Tanaka)

  9. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Whether Melky juiced or not…he still became a player that would have helped this team. And Kennedy is still young and could rebound from an off-season. Always said he was a #3 or 4 pitcher…However, at least with IK and AJax, the team did get back value.

    Players like Clippard and Melancon and Joba…seems like a shame to have let such talent go.

  10. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Last year, going against popular opinion here, i said Nova would become a good player and was worth keeping. I am saying the same now about Cervelli.

  11. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Shoulda signed Reynolds to back up tex and right hand platoon 3b

    ———————–

    You can never have too many ex UVA players on your roster! :)

  12. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    While some lament the problem of Ichiro, the fact of the matter is he’s really not much of a problem at all. In much the same way as Nunez, Ichiro should not factor in the Yanks’ potential success or failure this season in any meaningful way. Why? Because he’s not going to play that much or otherwise be counting on to deliver. Sure it would be nice to trade him for a productive piece. But in his limited role, he most likely will not do much harm or good. As I stated before, he’s not really blocking Zolio. Zolio is a full time player and he has no spot currently on the big club.

    No, the potential real problem out there is Jeter. In reality, we have learned very little about him so far. He looks great. Runs well. And will probably be the same deficient fielder this year (if healthy) that we’ve grown to know and love. But we have no idea if he can hit. And what’s even worse, it may not make a difference whether he can because if he’s healthy he’s going to play most everyday, bat second and there’s pretty much nothing anyone can do about it. Ichiro could be cut if things get really tight. But what can be done with Jeter?

    Every Yankee fan wants to see this end well for Derek and the Yankees. But no one has a clue whether it will.

  13. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Morales is still out there, so for the moment the Yankees can take a look at Tex (and Soriano as his b/u) and see what they think.

    If Tex looks okay, they dont need to go there. If he doesn’t look healthy they can bring in Morales (at least for the next few days anyway)

  14. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    I’m not that worried if jeter ‘can hit’ i know jeter can hit some, even at his age.

    I don’t expect Jeter to actually hit well enough to bat second in this order, especially when Gardner fits so well batting behind Ellsbury. But that’s not a Jeter problem but a Girardi problem.

    Jeter’s D is what it is, I just hope they use Ryan as a defensive replacement regularly.

  15. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
    Whether Melky juiced or not…he still became a player that would have helped this team. And Kennedy is still young and could rebound from an off-season. Always said he was a #3 or 4 pitcher…However, at least with IK and AJax, the team did get back value.

    Players like Clippard and Melancon and Joba…seems like a shame to have let such talent go.
    ===============================
    Agree about Clippard & Melancon.
    Clippard is real.
    Melancon…VG once he got out of the AL (notice the splits)
    Melky – still a PED clown; dont think he was made for NY…waaaaay to many balls over his head in the OF….strong arm – but so inaccurate (except that one year)…not worth the trouble….
    IPK : look at his performances, he has to be in the NL. Even after his one good year – Arizona didn’t see him as important.
    Joba: such a shame – too out-of-touch with reality…too goofy…whenever he got hammered, he always told us how good he did…sheeeesh….could’ve/shoul’ve been so much better.

  16. BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    I remember when Jeter started off slowly a few years ago, and how people here were ready to dump him. It may take him a while to get going…will people here have the patience? Probably not.

  17. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
    Last year, going against popular opinion here, i said Nova would become a good player and was worth keeping. I am saying the same now about Cervelli.
    ========================

    Was never a big Cervelli fan – but he ‘gets it’……

    After his PED mess – obviously is handling it reasonably well !

    Good soldier.

    Unfortunately – he’s expendable.

    and also….

    Fortunately – he’s expendable.

  18. Ys Guy March 13th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    BoJo March 13th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
    I remember when Jeter started off slowly a few years ago, and how people here were ready to dump him. It may take him a while to get going…will people here have the patience? Probably not.
    ——————————————–
    yeah, but shouldn’t the normal (non Jeter) way to deal with that be to bat Jeter down in the order if he’s not hitting in April then move him back up to #2 if and when he’s doing a better job than Gardner or whoever is at #2 at that point?

  19. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    When people say they know Derek will hit, exactly what do they base that on? Because he’s Derek Jeter and always has performed well? I have three problems with that line of reasoning. It’s not like Derek is in his prime or even around his prime and his history of consistency lends itself to consistent results. Derek is now almost 40 years old. Pretty ancient for most ball players. Second, he really hasn’t played in two years and that can’t be a good thing. And finally, he’s coming off a very serious leg injury that could and probably will somehow impact how his body performs.

    And remember, it wasn’t that long ago that Jeter went through a season and half of below Jeterian production that led many to think his career was over back then. A time when it appeared he had no consistent ability to hit the ball in the air. Then came the calf injury and the miracle of Denbo. But that was a few years and broken ankle ago.

    I don’t pretend to know that Jeter will fail this year, any more than anyone could know he’ll succeed. But the issue I’m raising is, there’s almost nothing the team can do about it if things go south. Which they might.

  20. austinmac March 13th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    Dan,

    I agree that Jeter will play absent injury. Let’s hope for the best.

  21. Jerkface March 13th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Jeter looks a lot like he did in 2010 vs Right Handers, when his GB rate vs them was like 80% and he subsequently had one of his worst years ever.

    In the past 3 years he has hit .278 .332 .349 vs RHP. He already isnt that good against them but in 2010 he hit .246 .316 .317 .633 vs RHP mostly because he couldnt get any lift on the ball at all.

  22. UpState March 13th, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    The Mariners are apparently still in touch with Kendrys Morales and agent Scott Boras.

    They weren’t happy with Morales and Boras for turning down their $14.1MM qualifying offer earlier in the offseason…..but they hold no grudges.

    The Mariners have “little or no” money left to spend on another free agent.

    Robinson Cano, he of a ten-year, $240MM contract, has gone on record as stating that the he’d like to see his new club sign Morales and Ervin Santana.
    =============================

    GM Robbie at work !
    Spending Mariner money they used to have !

  23. blake March 13th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Jeter isn’t letting the ball travel …..he’s out in front likely because he’s rusty and isn’t trusting his hands fully yet

  24. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    jerkface. How many of those overslot 2nd rounders are there, and how many are going to amount to anything (most of them are players whose value drops due to injury)? .

    As for teams using the money for later slots (about 1 million for a mid 2nd round pick) to sign a 1st rounder, why would a 1st rounder not sign if he was a top 10 pick?. Under the new system there is not much incentive in waiting till next year since the odds of getting much more are lower and the risk of slipping due to injury is high.

    Not saying the money can’t come in handy, but its not a slam dunk that it is all that useful, and any non-protected pick has low probability of becoming even a league average MLB player.

    I would say without any other quantifiable data to the contrary that the value of the slot money is exactly what the slot money is. If they lose 2 million that reasonably gets passed on to the player, and over a 3-4 year deal most players won’t even notice. Its the loss of a pick that is the big thing here, which according to some is now estimated to be 3 times the value of the slot pick.

    So to quantify things, I would say the slot money is about 1/4 the total cost of the value which should be assigned to a pick, and the total is 4 times the slot value for the pick. So for a # 20 pick call it 8 million, of which 2 million comes from the loss of slot money,

    So if a guy like Drew thinks he can probably get a 3/39 offer w/o a QO, he goes into free agency expecting to take a hit and sign for at least 3/31 which may be more attractive than 1/14. I have heard of no offer even close to this which suggests teams are valuing the picks and slot money at much higher values, contrary to the value these picks have produced in the past, or something else is going on (ranging from irrational health concerns to something more sinister).

    Interestingly enough a player like Santana who produced 3 WAR last year, less than Drew, and has a history of inconsistency and health concerns, gets 14 million for 1 year and is costing the Braves a 1st round pick which according to the above methodology is worth a bit over 7 million for a total cost of 21 million (salary+pick+slot) for a projected 2.7 WAR.

  25. pete2 March 13th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    I don’t know how Jeter will do this year, or Tex for that matter, but I would expect both to be lesser players than 2012, but likely better than what the Yankees got from the position last year.

    The biggest concern is not so much performance, but if they can stay healthy, since the backup looks very weak for both, perhaps replacement level. Tex is probably more likely to stay on the field than Jeter simply because its a less demanding position and he is younger.

    Nothing you can do but watch and hope for the best as fans. The team should do what they can in order to cover against the most likely worst case, which is Jeter down for a good portion of the year. That’s why some of us like Drew since he is pretty good insurance for what may be the most important position on the field.

  26. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Column 2 http://t.co/As8NMNfEh8 Pineda’s IP limit and will that impact battle for 5th starter #Yankees

    ————————

    I feel like Sherman’s scouts are Lohud posters lol…

  27. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    I feel like Sherman’s scouts are Lohud posters lol…

    ————————-

    LOL!!! :)

  28. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    I don’t usually put a lot of thought into whether or not writers read comment sections like this and riff on the ideas posted but that entire piece is a summary of today’s discussion.

  29. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    Shame – From what I’ve seen it happens… quite often! Makes me laugh!

  30. Shame Spencer March 13th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Chicken – http://twitter.com/FacesPics/s.....36/photo/1

  31. chicken_stanley March 13th, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Shame – you always make me laugh!!!… The “surprise” pics were a lot of fun!

  32. bbb51 March 13th, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    We should demand royalties.

  33. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    I don’t know where Sherman gets his facts. There about 10 times as many 88/89s as there were 92/93s from Pineda today. Go over the tape. Pineda threw 35 fastballs today. No more than 2 or 3 were quality pitches in terms of velocity and location. His slider was awesome. That’s the only think that kept him from being butt-kicked by a bunch of minor leaguers.

    The Yanks are never going to say they are sending Pineda down to “protect” him. Mark my words, when the time comes the Yanks are going to say Phelps is the 5th starter because he pitched the best. And you know what, they’re going to be right.

  34. bigdan22 March 13th, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    Nothing you can do but watch and hope for the best as fans. The team should do what they can in order to cover against the most likely worst case, which is Jeter down for a good portion of the year. That’s why some of us like Drew since he is pretty good insurance for what may be the most important position on the field.

    —-

    There are at least six or seven reasons why the Yanks are not signing Drew. I discussed them weeks ago and I’m sure I and others are too bored to hear about them all again. But one of those reasons converges neatly with the whole Jeter problem I’ve raised. Drew’s presence on the club would expose too clearly Jeter’s deficiency as a SS. The Yanks can’t let that happen. And they won’t.

  35. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Interestingly enough a player like Santana who produced 3 WAR last year, less than Drew, and has a history of inconsistency and health concerns, gets 14 million for 1 year and is costing the Braves a 1st round pick which according to the above methodology is worth a bit over 7 million for a total cost of 21 million (salary+pick+slot) for a projected 2.7 WAR.
    ================================================

    Let’s see:

    A – WAR is not a critical ‘stat’ that ML baseball teams use
    B – it’s the Braves….they lost 2 pitchers; they need a pitcher
    C – not every club values draft picks from year to year with the same enthusiasm
    D – the methodology that Bill James or whomever & whatever are talked about on blogs ARE NOT necessarily what real ML clubs use to put a valuation on a player

    …hence:

    Santana has a contract.
    Drew sits at home.

  36. Barry March 14th, 2014 at 12:14 am

    I expect both Jeter and Tex to be effective but I do not understand Melky-love. He was mediocre or less, cheated and had some success, caught and then returned to below average form. Who needs him…? The Blue Jays. The secret of their success.

  37. NYY_Girl_Penny March 14th, 2014 at 12:50 am

    what does “effective” mean in that context. That is pretty vague. Sounds like you are afraid to see what you really mean.

    As much as I love Jeter and will always root for him, it’s gonna be very painful to see him in the 2 spot being the gidp machine he has become. This is my problem with Girardi, it’s not about “ego” or you earned the 2 spot even if you bat .100. Jeter should be just like any other player.. put him where he helps the team the most.. I wish Jeter nothing but the best, and I would love to see one more last “clutch” jeter year. But I am not expecting it. I’d rather see Elsbury and Gardner 1 & 2 and watch them tear up the bases..

    My batting order as of now and subject to change.

    1. Gardner
    2. Elsbury
    3. Beltran
    4. Soriano DH
    5. McCaan
    6. Jeter
    7. Tex
    8. Solarte/Roberts
    9. 3B

    but of course Jeter will be batting 2nd and joe has to HAVE L,F,L,F

    1. Elsbury
    2. Jeter
    3. Beltran
    4. McCaan
    5. Tex
    6. Soriano
    7. Solarte/Roberts
    8. 3B
    9. Gardner

  38. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:05 am

    Former AL Rookie of the Year Angel Berroa is now only 34 YO.

    Trying to get a minor league deal.

    Berroa spent 2012 playing independent ball and was in the Mexican League last season, where he slashed .293/.362/.462 in 460 trips to the plate.
    ================================================

    Here’s our infield answer !!!

  39. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:09 am

    @Joelsherman1: Column 2 http://t.co/As8NMNfEh8 Why I do not read nor steal ideas from online blogs #Yankees

  40. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:14 am

    Barry March 14th, 2014 at 12:14 am
    I expect both Jeter and Tex to be effective but I do not understand Melky-love. He was mediocre or less, cheated and had some success, caught and then returned to below average form. Who needs him…? The Blue Jays. The secret of their success.
    ===
    You might want to read or research a little as to why Melky had a tough season last year. Google him and the word surgery.

    Ever since he worked that off-season with ARod (who begged FO to re-sign him), he has been a very good player…barring injury.

  41. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:21 am

    Jets get former Denver WR Eric Decker.

    (Jets fans also get Jessie James Decker as part of the package)

  42. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:27 am

    Melky:

    Injury partially due to withdrawal from his face-stuffing indulgence in PED’s ?

    Really – move on, never was, never will be any more than a marginal semi-redundant Biogenisis graduate.

    (creates wonderful websites)

  43. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:28 am

    Ever since he worked that off-season with ARod (who begged FO to re-sign him)…
    ===================================

    A-Rod recruit to PED’s at Biogenisis ???

    (working out…..riiiiiiiight)

    Guessing FO knew alot more than we did !!!

  44. j9d March 14th, 2014 at 1:41 am

    For better or worse, Drew will not be signed by Yankees. Face into it and adjust. Not happening in Jeter’s last season. No way no how.

  45. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:56 am

    j9d March 14th, 2014 at 1:41 am
    For better or worse, Drew will not be signed by Yankees. Face into it and adjust. Not happening in Jeter’s last season. No way no how.

    =====================

    JJ Hardy in 2015 ?

    …or one from the Owings, Gregorius, Ackley, Franklin, Starling + ….group ?

  46. yankinvegas March 14th, 2014 at 1:59 am

    I would love to see Pineda as the 5th starter, but it’s a long season. If he needs a little time in Scranton, so be it. Phelps can handle a few starts.
    I would love to see the following lineup against righties :
    Gardner 7
    Jeter. 6
    Ellsbury. 8
    Beltran. 9
    McCann. 2
    Teixeira. 3
    Soriano. Dh
    Johnson. 5
    Roberts. 4

    Put Nunez at 3b against lefties, move Ellsbury to lead off and Gardner to the 9 hole. Jeter is basically unloveable out of the 2 hole until at least June, if at all, so hopefully he can give us .280 or so. It would be nice to move Ichiro so we can carry a player who can help us more, but I really like the potential of this team and I expect big things. But I caution all of you by saying that I also thought that St. John’s would make the NCAA tourney!

  47. pete2 March 14th, 2014 at 2:06 am

    I was disappointed with Pinedas outing as well. Velocity was not there nor was the command, and more important he did not look like he was throwing free and easy. It was kind of chilly there it looked like, but nothing like it will be in NY in April. I think he can use some time in AAA and keep his innings down so he can come up in June if he is throwing free and easy with good velocity and command.

    “j9d March 14th, 2014 at 1:41 am
    For better or worse, Drew will not be signed by Yankees. Face into it and adjust. Not happening in Jeter’s last season. No way no how.”
    ============================
    Probably what Braves fans were saying about Santana, but injuries happen. I agree that he is not going to be signed unless one of Roberts, Jeter or Johnson gets injured or until he signs elsewhere. Since posting my debunking of the 16 reasons commonly used to reject Drew a couple of weeks ago I am done with trying to argue it, but it comes up from time to time.

  48. blake March 14th, 2014 at 6:59 am

    If Pineda is healthy he’s gonna be the 5th starter….they like his upside and they like what Phelps can do in the bullpen. All the tea leaves in their comments point towards this if everyone is healthy

  49. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:29 am

    blake says:
    March 14, 2014 at 6:59 am
    If Pineda is healthy he’s gonna be the 5th starter….they like his upside and they like what Phelps can do in the bullpen. All the tea leaves in their comments point towards this if everyone is healthy

    ———————–

    And it’ll be another poor developmental decision if they do.

  50. blake March 14th, 2014 at 7:37 am

    And it’ll be another poor developmental decision if they do.”

    Eh….they are really developing Pineda anymore….he’s a pitcher and they want to start getting a return on their investment. If he’s healthy and they think he’s one of their best 5 starters them I’m fine with it. He could get hurt again pitching for Scranton too……

  51. blake March 14th, 2014 at 7:38 am

    Aren’t

  52. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:43 am

    blake says:
    March 14, 2014 at 7:37 am
    And it’ll be another poor developmental decision if they do.”

    Eh….they are really developing Pineda anymore….he’s a pitcher and they want to start getting a return on their investment. If he’s healthy and they think he’s one of their best 5 starters them I’m fine with it. He could get hurt again pitching for Scranton too……

    ————-

    It’s not about him getting hurt, it’s about if this is a guy that’s ready to pitch full games without being yanked at arbitrary limits.

    Phelps has already thrown 6 innings… Let’s see how much rope Pineda gets over his final (likely) 3 appearances.

  53. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:44 am

    If they bring Pineda along as their 5th guy I want no bellyaching about limits.. If he’s in the rotation they saying he’s ready and they need to treat him that way.

  54. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:44 am

    They’re*

  55. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    They’re

  56. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    Fack.

    I type better stoned.

  57. blake March 14th, 2014 at 7:46 am

    “It’s not about him getting hurt, it’s about if this is a guy that’s ready to pitch full games without being yanked at arbitrary limits.”

    Well yea but I think they’ll build him up to that point…..he threw right at 50 pitches yesterday….you’d think 65 or so next outing….then 80-85…..then a full start. I think they’ll skip him starts during the season to limit his innings

  58. blake March 14th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    He’s gonna have an innings limit……there is no way to avoid that unless you just let him throw 180 innings in the minors this year…..and that’s a waste if he’s healthy

  59. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 7:59 am

    I dunno, with Pineda being a strike out guy it does seem like he’ll be the most economical pitcher. We’ll see how he looks two weeks from now when he’s facing real line ups and isn’t confined to throwing a couple innings. If they approach him like they did Joba I’d be at a loss (having him throw 4 or 5 innings with a caddy for his starts).

    People are talking about Pineda like he’s the crux of our season. I don’t think the fifth starter spot is going to decide much. If Pineda clearly gives this team a better chance to win of course I want him starting for us, but I haven’t seen the evidence that’s the case yet.

  60. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 8:00 am

    Doesn’t.*

    Bleck.

  61. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    People are talking about Pineda like he’s the crux of our season. I don’t think the fifth starter spot is going to decide much. If Pineda clearly gives this team a better chance to win of course I want him starting for us, but I haven’t seen the evidence that’s the case yet.”

    I don’t think he’s the crux of this season no…..but they probably want to find out what he is and is going to be so that they can plan for the future. They can’t find that out with him pitching at Scranton

  62. Cashmoney March 14th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    I see that Prime Time has added another component to his offensive game, bunting! Something that has taken Gardner 5 years to be mediocre at. Consider the immense reservoir of offensive potentials that Nunez possesses due to his raw abilities, this development cements him as an indispensable part of NYY in 2014 in conjunction with his vastly improved defense in which that Prime Time has adroitly manned 3/4 of infield this ST.

  63. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    Prime time will keep those AAA 3baggers on their toes this year

  64. Bad Scooter March 14th, 2014 at 8:12 am

    How did the Yankees undervalue Jose Rijo? He was the centerpiece of a trade for a 26 year old OF who was a future Hall of Famer and happened to be the greatest leadoff hitter of all time.

  65. Cashmoney March 14th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Between inning limits, should uncertainties and less than dominating repertoire how much upsides does Pineda really represents over a guy like Phelps who can command the ball in all 4 quadrons with a repertoire of 4 average pitches.

    Not much is what I am thinking.

  66. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    I don’t think he’s the crux of this season no…..but they probably want to find out what he is and is going to be so that they can plan for the future. They can’t find that out with him pitching at Scranton

    ————–

    I didn’t suggest they keep him in Scranton the entire year.

    I really just don’t get the rush.

  67. Cashmoney March 14th, 2014 at 8:25 am

    Back to Campos, I still think the only reason he did not go under the knife 2 years ago was because Cashman is afraid of Hal literally strangling him for harpooning the great 189 plan in the aftermath of MannyB and Pineda.

    Though Hank is the more likely person that will pimp slap Cmoney. Just a take. Watch they baby Campos in A this year.

  68. Cashmoney March 14th, 2014 at 8:33 am

    The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that there signing Drew is such remote possibility for the NYY right now.

  69. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Good morning

    What more does Almonte have to do, to be on the opening day roster? He has been spraying hits to the opposite field and turning them into doubles. Will the Yankees have to release Ichiro, which I imagine would not go over too well, or maybe sell him back to a Japanese team?

  70. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    “I didn’t suggest they keep him in Scranton the entire year.”

    yea I know but that just kinda makes it messy cause then you either have to have an injury to bring him back up or he has to take somebody’s job…..If they could keep him down til June and gain an extra year of control then ok…..but the way it is I think they should just take the best 25 north.

    “The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that there signing Drew is such remote possibility for the NYY right now.”

    Drew said yesterday that he should have taken the QO….which suggests that he’d be willing to do a 1 year deal now……what are you doing Cashman? Sign him already

  71. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Good morning

    What more does Almonte have to do, to be on the opening day roster?

    —-

    He needs to age at least 10 years, earn a ton more money, and become less productive.

    Then he’d be a shoo-in for the Opening Day roster.

  72. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    I’d actually keep Almonte sharp at Scranton to start the season……he’ll be the first call if there is an injury and it would be hard for him to step in if he’s been riding the pine in the big leagues. There just aren’t any AB’s for him right now…..

  73. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    I mean lets say they can trade Ichiro and take Almonte in his place…..when is he gonna play? maybe a game a week when Beltran or Soriano rests?

  74. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    GF

    I needed a good laugh!

    The only place we might see some young blood brought North on opening day is in the BP, and I have my concerns there, especially with the first few weeks when it’s cold, and the starters will unlikely be pitching late into games.

  75. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 8:48 am

    yea I know but that just kinda makes it messy cause then you either have to have an injury to bring him back up or he has to take somebody’s job…..If they could keep him down til June and gain an extra year of control then ok…..but the way it is I think they should just take the best 25 north.

    ———————————-

    I don’t really feel like this is a big deal.. I think if this is what the Yankees are thinking they’re making a mountain out of a mole hill. If all 5 of our starters are injury free and effective, there’s nothing messy about Pineda starting in Scranton. I mean, our FO is full of professional businessmen right? If they can’t handle a simple matter of replacing someone that’s ineffective or injured in the rotation, that’d be pretty weak.

    And I agree they should take the best 25 north, but I’ll repeat I don’t think we’ve seen evidence that Pineda is that much of an upgrade (or that he’s an upgrade at all) over Phelps.

  76. Cashmoney March 14th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    I am not Cashman, what I am thinking is that Drew is a marginal upgrade at 3b on one year deal let’s say 12-14, with LT that is roughly a 15-20 mil investment in which Hal and Levine would laugh at the idea when C presents it.

  77. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 8:52 am

    Blake
    They can put Soriano at first, DH Beltran and put Almonte in RF.

    Kidding aside, Tex is not looking that he will be ready, and we all know that batting from the left side is going to be painful to watch, unless that wrist is 100% with him able to generate enough power to drive it out of other teams stadiums.

  78. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    He needs to age at least 10 years, earn a ton more money, and become less productive.

    ———————

    :lol:

  79. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:54 am

    “And I agree they should take the best 25 north, but I’ll repeat I don’t think we’ve seen evidence that Pineda is that much of an upgrade (or that he’s an upgrade at all) over Phelps”

    If he’s right he’s better than Phelps….much more upside. I mean it’s spring training but he’s not given up and run and is averaging about 2 K’s per inning so far. I get your points…..I just think they are ready to get some value out of Pineda…..and I also think that Phelps can help them in the bullpen……actually they really probably need Phelps in the bullpen at the moment.

  80. Cashmoney March 14th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    If he’s right he’s better than Phelps….much more upside.
    —–
    I don’t see it.

  81. blake March 14th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    “I am not Cashman, what I am thinking is that Drew is a marginal upgrade at 3b on one year deal let’s say 12-14, with LT that is roughly a 15-20 mil investment in which Hal and Levine would laugh at the idea when C presents it.”

    eh marginal is relative……when you have a 200 million dollar payroll already then what’s 14 million more to add 2 or 3 wins to your club? They could sign Drew and STILL be like 15 million short of their 2013 payroll…….that’s not being reported….;.but the Yanks are 25-30 million shy of their 2013 payroll. Kelly Johnson is not going to be good at 3B and he’s going to be exposed……he will hit some homers but he will play below average defense…..hit about .230…..and not get on base.

  82. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Even if Pineda is in the starting rotation, he only pitched something like 42 innings last year.

  83. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    If Drew batted from the right side, he might already be a Yankee. Currently the Yankees starting infield, except for Johnson, is a health concern, and now their best defensive backup, has a bad back. Adding Drew, who himself has injury concerns, will make this one of the most expensive, and quite possibly, least productive infields in baseball.

  84. blake March 14th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    “Adding Drew, who himself has injury concerns, will make this one of the most expensive, and quite possibly, least productive infields in baseball.”

    it makes it more productive than it is now though……Drew’s .777 OPS from 2013 might top all of the current infielders including Tex.

  85. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I agree he has more upside.. he has a plus pitch and I dunno that you could even say that much about Phelps. But if this is a matter of upgrading the pen and not the rotation I think it’s dumb. It’s exactly what they would have done with Phil or Joba and it’s not encouraging in terms of them learning from past mistakes.

    Nuno and Warren have pitched well enough to do just fine in the pen if needed.

  86. Yankee Trader March 14th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    New Post——–>

  87. Ys Guy March 14th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    i have very little confidence in a full comeback by cc. So this staff is likely to have no ace. so it will be important for all 5 starters to be at division average or better, so Pineda is important.

    That being said, he’s missing bats, throwing easy and getting good movement, so I’m pretty happy with where he’s at right now.

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