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Friday morning notes: “I need to see these guys”

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Brian McCann

Brian McCann said he was looking forward to Panama. He’s never been, and any other spring, such an unusual road trip would have been a welcome break from the monotony. But when the Yankees approached him on Wednesday about a change of plans, McCann was on board.

“I’m catching quite a bit because I need to see these guys,” McCann said. “I’m going to start catching back-to-back. I’ve done it once, I’ll do it again, and by the end I’ll probably catch three in a row, which in spring training you don’t usually do. Down here I need to see everybody multiple times. … I have to. I need to. It’s a big deal to see them.”

McCann stayed in Tampa specifically to catch Masahiro Tanaka on Sunday and Hiroki Kuroda on Monday.

“I think I’ll get probably two more starts with each of them and we’ll be ready to roll,” McCann said. “I know their stuff and I know what they like to do. If the season started tomorrow I’d be comfortable calling a game for both of them. Just two more times will probably get me more acclimated to them and we’ll go from there.”

McCann expects to have caught each of the Yankees starters at least twice, some of them three times, before camp breaks in a little more than two weeks. He would have caught CC Sabathia had he made the trip, but the Yankees decided to — for now — prioritizing giving him time with Tanaka and Kuroda, the two Japanese starters.

“The conversations when some guys don’t speak English, (including) Latin players who don’t speak English, it’s baseball,” McCann said. “Everybody knows the key words to get the job done. … They know ‘fastball,’ ‘curveball,’ ‘split.’ We’re good.”

McCann indicated that communication is a non-issue, it’s more about familiarity. He’s studied video and he’s seen everyone in either a bullpen or a game, but now it’s about a sense of execution and possibility.

“I know what their stuff looks like now,” McCann said. “So now I can start studying the opposing hitters we’re going to be facing in the A.L. East — guys who swing early, guys who don’t — little things like that and put our pitchers’ stuff with what matches up with their hitters’ weakness. … I’m getting a better grasp of it every day, guys who are going to be middle-of-the-order bats in this division. It’s coming along pretty good.”

Manny Banuelos· Second spring appearance by Manny Banuelos today. Should be the first guy out of the bullpen.

· There are paper name tags attached to several lockers in the clubhouse, covering up the names of each stall’s previous occupant. The name tags are for those who have been brought up for a few days to help fill in while the roster is thin. When minor league guys come up for a day, they rarely get name tags, they just kind of find a place to fit, but it looks like guys like Wes Wilson, Ben Gamel and Jake Cave are going to be here throughout the Panama trip.

· Speaking of those fill-in guys, I had a long conversation with Rob Refsnyder this morning. I’ll write more about it later, but for now I’ll just say that I don’t remember a young player making a stronger first impression. The Yankees have a lot of smart and engaging young players — Refsnyder is certainly not the only one — but I was impressed by the way he talked about his work at second base, his approach to pitch sequences, and his own road ahead trying to get to the big leagues.

· For whatever it’s worth, Refnsyder says Cito Culver looks much, much better this spring now that he’s had a full year of hitting exclusively right-handed. Culver has certainly earned his share of doubters with his offensive struggles up to this point, but he’s still just 21 years old and Refsnyder’s bullish on him. We’ll see.

· Russ Canzler is finally getting a chance to play a position other than first base. He hasn’t hit this spring, but he was a long shot to break camp with the team even if he did hit. It’s still in his best interest to get some time at third and the outfield if he’s going to have a shot at a big league role at some point this season.

· Minor league players in big league camp today: RHP Branden Pinder, LHP Aaron Dott, LHP James Pazos, C Wes Wilson, 2B Rob Refsnyder, SS Carmen Angelini, 3B Rob Segedin, UT Ali Castillo, OF Ben Gamel, OF Taylor Dugas, OF Jake Cave.

· Hiroki Kuroda (to Pete O’Brien) and Shawn Kelley (to Francisco Arcia) are scheduled to throw bullpens today.

· In Panama, the Yankees traveling squad is scheduled to see the Panama Canal today. The players are also going to some sort of big official team dinner. Third base coach Rob Thomson is here serving as manager while Joe Girardi is out of town.

Austin Romine· Today’s second string: C Austin Romine, 1B Francisco Arcia, 2B Rob Refsnyder, SS Carmen Angelini, 3B Rob Segedin, LF Ben Gamel, CF Jake Cave, RF Taylor Dugas

· Today’s scheduled relievers: Manny Banuelos, David Herndon, Fred Lewis, Dellin Betances (with Dan Burawa, Mark Montgomery, James Pazo, Aaron Dott and Branden Pinder available if necessary)

· Batting practice groups:
Group 1: Jacoby Ellsbury, Eduardo Nunez, Brian Roberts, Brian McCann, Austin Romine
Group 2: Russ Canzler, Ramon Flores, Scott Sizemore, Mark Teixeira, Mason Williams
Group 3: Carmen Angelini, Jake Cave, Rob Refsnyder, Francisco Arcia, Pete O’Brien
Group 4: Ali Castillo, Taylor Dugas, Ben Gamel, Rob Segedin, Wes Wilson

· Tomorrow’s travel squad to Sarasota:
Pitchers: Danny Burawa, Brian Gordon, Shane Greene, Mark Montgomery, Vidal Nuno
Catchers: Francisco Arcia, Pete O’Brien, Austin Romine
Infielders: Russ Canzler, Kelly Johnson, Brian Roberts
Outfielders: Ramon Flores, Ichiro Suzuki, Mason Williams
Minor league pitchers: Diego Moreno, Joel De La Cruz, Graham Stoneburner, Manny Barreda, James Pazos, Branden Pinder
Minor league hitters: Wes Wilson, Rob Refsnyder, Cito Culver, Carmen Angelini, Rob Segedin, Ali Castillo, Dan Fiorito, Ben Gamel, Jake Cave, Taylor Dugas

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113 Responses to “Friday morning notes: “I need to see these guys””

  1. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Re-post:

    “based on that he throws harder…..has a true plus secondary pitch…..that he’s 6’8 and creates a serious angle… Phelps is fine but lets not overstate what he is…..he’s a back end starter. Phelp’s floor and ceiling are about the same thing…..to me his floor is a 5th starter/swing man and his celining might be a 4th starter or 3rd starter on a bad team. Pineda’s ceiling is a front of the rotation guy if he gets his velo back…….at the same time his floor is a reliever or washout starter.”

    —-

    You see this is the kind of poor developmental philosophy that arises out of concepts like “ceilings” and leads to errors and sometimes huge failures. It’s part of the nature of what I refer to as Prospect Industry bias. It’s what leads to undervaluing players who can really help you like Almonte or Nuno and overvaluing players like Mason Williams. It leads to superior players who have had a strong history of success being lost, like Quintana, because they don’t fit the profile of what a prospect should look like. I guarantee you when the Yanks released Quintana, there was a good bit of discussion of his ceiling or lack there of. Boggs and Mattingly faced this type of prejudice. They overcame it. But for every one of them, I wonder how many never got a real shot.

  2. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    austinmac March 14th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    “I am at least glad the Yankees recognize the short and long term need to add good infielders, and they do not seem to want to add another replacement level player to their stockpile of such infielders.

    It is very questionable the Yankees have anyone to trade to acquire such a player. Good young starting infielders have far more value than our back up catchers.”

    —–

    I agree with this. I do not see the Yanks as having the ammo to trade for a young starting infielder at this time. If they wasn’t to trade a BUC, and this would probably be an excellent time to trade Cervelli at least with respect to his perceived value, I think the logical return would be a quality back end relief pitcher.

    The problem would be what if the team Cervelli is traded to uses him as a starter and Cervelli turns into a ML average starting catcher or better. Now it’s going to look like a pretty poor trade. But that’s part of the territory.

  3. Ys Guy March 14th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    “pineda has alot more upside than phelps”

    sweeney murti

  4. blake March 14th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    “guarantee you when the Yanks released Quintana, there was a good bit of discussion of his ceiling or lack there of. Boggs and Mattingly faced this type of prejudice. They overcame it. But for every one of them, I wonder how many never got a real shot.”

    there are very few players the Yankees have traded away that have amounted to anything…..things like that happen with every team from time to time. Basically what you’re saying is that teams in general are ignoring the lesser talented players and focusing on the more talented players……well yea…..but that doesn’t mean they don’t pay attention when guys perform. Cano never was a big time prospect…..neither was Nova or Gardner……they didn’t get cast aside……they are playing for the Yankees now and Gardner just got 50 million dollars and Cano just got 240 million dollars. In the end performance always shows through…..that doesn’t mean you stop trying to project players with talent.

  5. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Talking about ceiling regarding Pineda vs. Phelps for 2014 is probably not super relevant.. but evaluating ceilings is absolutely relevant when assessing a system and the prospects within it.

  6. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    “there are very few players the Yankees have traded away that have amounted to anything…..things like that happen with every team from time to time. Basically what you’re saying is that teams in general are ignoring the lesser talented players and focusing on the more talented players……well yea…..but that doesn’t mean they don’t pay attention when guys perform. Cano never was a big time prospect…..neither was Nova or Gardner……they didn’t get cast aside……they are playing for the Yankees now and Gardner just got 50 million dollars and Cano just got 240 million dollars. In the end performance always shows through…..that doesn’t mean you stop trying to project players with talent.”

    —-

    Excellent Blake. Not only have you made my argument by pointing out that it’s often the lesser regarded prospects who achieve major league success like Cano, Nova and Gardner, guys without high “ceilings” who never make the top of prospect ranking lists, but you also bolstered my theory that the Yanks should always trade their No. 1 prospect because that is the prospect most likely to be over-valued.

    Thank you!

    BTW, I pointed out in earlier posts that nobody projected Cano to have an MVP type “ceiling”–further evidence of how useless that term is. In fact the Yanks were so “impressed” with his “ceiling” that they offered him to Rangers.

  7. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    Oh, and they tried to get rid of Nova too. Probably didn’t like his “ceiling” either.

  8. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Quintana left as a minor league free agent because he had spent 7 years in the minor league and only gotten as high as A+ ball. It was really good of the White Sox to see something in him and sign him. He had also barely pitched at all in the minor leagues. I don’t know what was up with that but it could have been an issue with the player or the player development.

  9. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    The Yankees’ lack of ability to identify ceiling isn’t the same as saying the conversation is worthless.

  10. Hankflorida March 14th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    I realize that it’s very hard for a fanbase that’s been spoiled by having offensive stars (Cano & Jeter) @ 2B & SS to even entertain the thought of a Sizemore/Ryan combination in 2015, but yet everyone always stresses the importance of “up-the-middle” defense.

    Upstate, Yankee history shows us that they won many championships with good defensive players like Coleman and Rizzuto up the middle, but the difference was having a DiMaggio or Mantle as part of the power base in the outfield. I think that this team needs some pop in the infield if two of your outfielders are basically table setters. The answer for this year will come when we see if the 2011 or last year’s Ellsbury came to play in pinstripes. In other words, will the real Jacoby Ellsbury please stand up!

  11. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Oh, and they tried to get rid of Nova too. Probably didn’t like his “ceiling” either.

    They didn’t try to get rid of him, they just did not protect him on the 40 man roster. They might have simply gambled on the fact that a team would be unlikely to carry a not yet developed Nova on their 25 man roster for a whole season.

    Protecting players on the 40 man comes down to ceiling & likelihood of major league success *right now*. So you protect your best prospects so a team can’t take them, and you protect guys who can contribute now and are good. Nova was in A ball, very unlikely to last an entire year in the majors.

  12. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Ceiling is determined by the number of tools a player posesses and whether those tools are below average, average, or plus tools.

  13. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    The White Sox also brought Quintana up to the majors from AA. After he had only pitched 100 innings in A ball and 50 innings at most in any of the 6 years prior to A ball. The Yankees are clearly a team that has deficiencies in identifying and developing talent. Their prospects move up the ladders slowly, you’re generally not going to see someone promoted from AA.

  14. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    I didn’t realize organizations make a habit of exposing their best high “ceiling” prospects to the Rule 5 draft. The fact of the matter is that the Yanks did not regard Nova as top prospect which is why he was exposed. He wasn’t much more than a middling prospect for most of his minor league career. He wasn’t regarded as really any type of prospect by the Prospect Industry. Another failure.

    http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

    Here is Quintana’s minor league record. Between the ages of 19-22 he had four straight years of uninterrupted minor league success. After his last season in High A, when he 10-2 with a 2.91 ERA, with 88 SOs and 28 walks and 86 hits in 102 innings, the Yanks refused to protect him by adding him to their 40 man roster. I wonder who got his spot. Brackman? Cashman has gone on the record of saying this was a miss. But he was a soft-tossing left-hander with a low ceiling. Remind you of anyone?

    I’ve pointed before that Quintana is the biggest player development failure of the Yanks over the last five years.

  15. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
    The White Sox also brought Quintana up to the majors from AA. After he had only pitched 100 innings in A ball and 50 innings at most in any of the 6 years prior to A ball. The Yankees are clearly a team that has deficiencies in identifying and developing talent. Their prospects move up the ladders slowly, you’re generally not going to see someone promoted from AA.
    =================================

    I’m thinking that the WS had a pretty big need for a pitcher with his profile, were out of money for an established FA…..and he likely had a good ST.

    Now 25 – he’s pitched to a 3.61 ERA & 1.272 WHIP…..very nice !!!

    Who else did we ignore and let go to become a star elsewhere ?

    2014 shows a struggle of a ST for him.

  16. Tackelberry March 14th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    WOW! Looks like another member of the Braves rotation could be headed for TJ surgery. Brandon Beachy, appears headed for TJ surgery, along with Kris Medlen. Braves need SP. Could be landing spot for Phelps/Warren? Do Barves have any IF prospects we could get?

  17. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    “Excellent Blake. Not only have you made my argument by pointing out that it’s often the lesser regarded prospects who achieve major league success like Cano, Nova and Gardner, guys without high “ceilings” who never make the top of prospect ranking lists, but you also bolstered my theory that the Yanks should always trade their No. 1 prospect because that is the prospect most likely to be over-valued.”

    this isn’t true at all…..you look at the best players in baseball and most of them were highly ranked prospect and also a great percentage of them were high draft picks.

  18. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    “Do Barves have any IF prospects we could get?”

    La Stella……Raking ramiero! Jose Peraza…..he’s a good one but farther away. Braves almost had to sign Santana.

  19. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Between the ages of 19-22 he had four straight years of uninterrupted minor league success.

    We need to be real about this, it wasn’t exactly uninterrupted minor league success. At 19 he was pitching in the dominican summer league, which is basically little league compared to even the GCL or Low A. He was there for 2 years. Then he pitched in the GCL and then got hammered in Low A. And he did all thsi while pitching basically no innings. Any pitcher can have success in 30 innings or 50 innings. He never pitched a full minor league season.

    Something went wrong with how the Yankees tried to develop Quintana, but part of the blame could lay on the player if he is still in a rookie league when he is 21.

  20. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Dan,
    I’ll take the BA top 100 and you take the diamonds in the rough and we’ll see who comes out ahead ;)

  21. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    If Uggla didn’t suck so bad then maybe we could swap Phelps for La Stella……La Stella is one of those under the radar guys that can hit. He’s probably just as good as Nick Franklin

  22. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Quintana was already exposed to the rule 5 draft and no one drafted him, by the way.

  23. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    I don’t even understand how this argument can be going on. Phelps is a borderline starting pitcher. He’s a MLer, no doubt about it. But on a good team, he’s a 5th starter at best. Pineda doesn’t have to be the old Pineda to be better than Phelps and Warren.

    If he’s healthy, he should be starting until he’s not healthy or he pitches so badly that he has to be removed. The Yanks are far batter this year if Pineda is pitching well.

  24. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    “I don’t even understand how this argument can be going on. Phelps is a borderline starting pitcher. He’s a MLer, no doubt about it. But on a good team, he’s a 5th starter at best. Pineda doesn’t have to be the old Pineda to be better than Phelps and Warren.”

    that’s pretty much my take as well and it’s why Pineda will be the 5th starter if he’s healthy.

  25. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Peraza has big upside and he’s totally blocked by Simmons……he’d be a nice get for the Yankees in a deal but he’s a long ways away. He hasn’t even played full season ball I don’t think.

  26. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    If he’s healthy, he should be starting until he’s not healthy or he pitches so badly that he has to be removed.

    Disagee, the Yankees are no longer in a position where they can burn through prospects in the chase for a championship. They have to think longer term if they aren’t going to spend. Pineda is a huge piece potentially going forward.

    If they leave him in the minors until August 1st they can control his innings and gain an extra year of control. Why would you want to waste his major league service time with the expectation that it will be solved if he sucks or gets hurt? “Whew thank god we can take Pineda out of the rotation now that he sucks or got hurt!” Thats not how you develop a player. Thats reckless.

  27. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    “Excellent Blake. Not only have you made my argument by pointing out that it’s often the lesser regarded prospects who achieve major league success like Cano, Nova and Gardner, guys without high “ceilings” who never make the top of prospect ranking lists, but you also bolstered my theory that the Yanks should always trade their No. 1 prospect because that is the prospect most likely to be over-valued.”

    this isn’t true at all…..you look at the best players in baseball and most of them were highly ranked prospect and also a great percentage of them were high draft picks.

    ========================

    So unless you get a top 15 pick – let it go & secure your FA.

    …the rest is a crapshoot, regardless of scouting ceilings, evaluations, or whatever…it quickly changes into a crapshoot after those first several choices …..

  28. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    Quintana was already exposed to the rule 5 draft and no one drafted him, by the way.

    ===============================

    So every ML team also said ‘no thank you’ to him.

    (even those uber-brilliant Carinals)

    Lotta crapshooting with ‘prospects’…

  29. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    “Speaking of those fill-in guys, I had a long conversation with Rob Refsnyder this morning. I’ll write more about it later, but for now I’ll just say that I don’t remember a young player making a stronger first impression. The Yankees have a lot of smart and engaging young players — Refsnyder is certainly not the only one — but I was impressed by the way he talked about his work at second base, his approach to pitch sequences, and his own road ahead trying to get to the big leagues.

    · For whatever it’s worth, Refnsyder says Cito Culver looks much, much better this spring now that he’s had a full year of hitting exclusively right-handed. Culver has certainly earned his share of doubters with his offensive struggles up to this point, but he’s still just 21 years old and Refsnyder’s bullish on him. We’ll see.”

    —–

    From Chad above. These are two guys I’ve written about over this off seasons. Refs is interesting because he seems to actually have a hit tool. And he’s an infielder. Or at least trying to be. I saw a report earlier this year that his defense at 2b was improving. He’ll be at Trenton this year which should be a tough test. But if he succeeds there, the Yanks will have to reevaluate their perceived needs for middle infielders next off season.

    I wrote in a post last October that Culver was one of the three positive surprises of the Yanks’ 2013 minor league season, to go along with Bird and Murphy. He is well under the radar right now which, as I pointed out earlier today, is a good place to be as a Yankee prospect. But he’s still young and supposedly has a SS glove. If the can hit a little bit, his value will skyrocket. Probably too far down to make a difference in next off season decision-making but intriguing nevertheless.

  30. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    *Cardinals

  31. bigdan22 March 14th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    “Quintana was already exposed to the rule 5 draft and no one drafted him, by the way”

    —-

    The Yanks aren’t the only team afflicted with Prospect Industry bias.

  32. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    If he’s healthy, he should be starting until he’s not healthy or he pitches so badly that he has to be removed.

    Disagee, the Yankees are no longer in a position where they can burn through prospects in the chase for a championship. They have to think longer term if they aren’t going to spend. Pineda is a huge piece potentially going forward.

    If they leave him in the minors until August 1st they can control his innings and gain an extra year of control. Why would you want to waste his major league service time with the expectation that it will be solved if he sucks or gets hurt? “Whew thank god we can take Pineda out of the rotation now that he sucks or got hurt!” Thats not how you develop a player. Thats reckless.

    —–

    I agree with your argument 100%.

    The problem is that we both know damn well that’s now how the Yanks are going to approach this issue.

    Unless he is injured, that #5 slot is Pineda’s job on Opening Day regardless of his innings limit and service time.

  33. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    The Yankees still control Pineda for 6 years. They don’t need to be playing games with his service time. If the guy is healthy, he needs to be pitching at the big league level. Pitching a healthy Pineda in the minors makes no sense. At least not to me.

  34. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Here is the other stupid thing about Pineda in the rotation to start the year. It pushes Phelps/Warren into the bullpen because Girardi has already said he isn’t sending either to the minors.

    So you put your 6th and 7th starters in the bullpen where they get spotty work and may not be in the best position to start when they are needed. You never use only 5 guys in the rotation in any given year so you know a 6th starter is going to be used.

    If you put Pineda in the minors he can always come up and help if you need him. Even if its ahead of schedule. And at the very least he will have been starting the entire time in the minors, unlike Phelps or Warren who will be pitching their small stints as relievers.

  35. Hankflorida March 14th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t even understand how this argument can be going on. Phelps is a borderline starting pitcher.

    Countryclub, I tend to agree with you, and this is coming from someone like me who once thought that Phelps looked like a young Mike Mussina. His demeanor did but unfortunately not his stuff. In order for Phelps to be effective, he needs an umpire who will give him the corners, and if he just misses, he is in trouble. He fits in as a long reliever or as a fifth starter.

  36. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    The Yankees still control Pineda for 6 years. They don’t need to be playing games with his service time.

    Uh no they don’t. They control him for 4 years. It could be 5 if they option him until August 1st. He already has 2.6 years of service time accrued. In 2 and a half years they wont even be able to option him at all if they wanted to.

  37. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    If you pitch Pineda this year in the majors and he has a lost year (due to still building up his innings/velocity/struggling/whatever) you will only have him for 3 years. If you pitch him in the minors until august 1st, you can still get major league time out of him for the end of this year/playoffs AND you get him for 4 years after that.

    So instead of him becoming a free agent in 2017 he will become a free agent after 2018. You would be getting an extra year of Pineda IN HIS PRIME rather than taking it on the front end here.

  38. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Before I forget, here’s a big shout out to YF on her xx Birthday. Yeah, she didn’t volunteer her age and I’m not gonna ask.

    So Happy Birthday, YF.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztoSUhbNntQ

  39. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Uh no they don’t. They control him for 4 years. It could be 5 if they option him until August 1st. He already has 2.6 years of service time accrued. In 2 and a half years they wont even be able to option him at all if they wanted to.

    ———-

    You are correct. I hit the wrong key. But my take on it still stands. There is no way a healthy Pineda should be in the minors until August just to gain another year of control. First, you make the team worse. Second, you make the player extremely unhappy.

    As to your point about Warren and Phelps not being ready to start because they’re in the pen, I actually agree with this. If it was me, I would keep Warren stretched out in AAA. But I have faith that Nuno can come up and make a couple of spot starts. He would be fine.

  40. hardwired7 March 14th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Really love the insight into the minor leaguers that Chad brings to the table. This blog wouldn’t exist w/out Pete Abe, but you always had the sense that he was too busy trying to think of his next A-Rod barb while shuffling through his iPod to really get to know the guys in the system.

    As fans, we really want to know more these guys than just their stats. Knowing their personality traits helps fill out the entire picture. I think Chad really gets that, much to our benefit.

  41. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Funny how the Yanks have already mishandled Pineda’s development before he’s ever thrown a pitch for them.

  42. blake March 14th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    “Here is the other stupid thing about Pineda in the rotation to start the year. It pushes Phelps/Warren into the bullpen because Girardi has already said he isn’t sending either to the minors.”

    who else they gonnna put in the bullpen though? They need them out there

  43. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Pineda isn’t the make or break guy for the team this year. Just because he is healthy doesn’t mean he is good. He has thrown 40 innings in the past 2 years. You can’t bank your season on that, but what you can do is make sure he is as effective as possible for the Yankees going forward.

  44. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    who else they gonnna put in the bullpen though? They need them out there

    Roberson
    Thornton
    Betances
    Claiborne/Tateyama
    Cabral/Lewis
    Warren/Phelps

    Why do we need both of these guys in the pen?

  45. JobaTipsHisCap March 14th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    CC’s ERA should be 5+ in 2014.

  46. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Why do we need both of these guys in the pen?@

    To get value out of them. Warren isn’t a big league starter…..

  47. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Ok so put Warren in the pen and Phelps in the rotation and Pineda in the minors. Phelps can start at the major league level even if he isn’t the best starter or likely to be very much above average.

    The Yankees don’t have 5 surefire starters right now, so theres no reason to dump 2 possible guys into the pen just to accommodate a guy that has not even pitched in 2 years.

  48. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    “Ok so put Warren in the pen and Phelps in the rotation and Pineda in the minors. Phelps can start at the major league level even if he isn’t the best starter or likely to be very much above average.”

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