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Spring Game 17: Yankees vs. Twins

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 14, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian RobertsYANKEES (8-6-2)
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Brian Roberts 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Brian McCann C
Eduardo Nunez SS
Ramon Flores LF
Pete O’Brien DH
Mason Williams RF
Rob Segedin 3B

RHP David Phelps (0-0, 1.86)

TWINS (5-7-1)
Aaron Hicks CF
Brian Dozier 2B
Jason Kubel DH
Oswaldo Arcia RF
Chris Colabello 1B
Wilkin Ramirez LF
Deibinson Romero 3B
Josmil Pinto C
Danny Santana SS

RHP Kyle Gibson (0-0, 0.00)

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. ET, YES Network

WEATHER: High of 74 degrees with a zero percent chance of rain. So, yeah, it’s not a bad day.

UMPIRES: HP Sean Barber, 1B Mark Carlson, 2B Marty Foster, 3B Ryan Blakney

WHAT TO WATCH: David Phelps makes his latest start in the competition for the fifth starter job. Most of the attention has been focused on Michael Pineda, but Phelps has pitched well. Seems to have a roster spot locked up, just a matter of figuring out his role. … Russ Canzler was a late scratch from the lineup because of hip stiffness. … With about half of the spring roster in Panama, a handful of minor leaguers will get a chance to play in the late innings this afternoon. That group includes guys like Rob Refsnyder and Jake Cave who are coming off pretty strong seasons in the lower levels.

OFF THE BENCH: C Austin Romine, 1B Francisco Arcia, 2B Rob Refsnyder, SS Carmen Angelini, 3B Rob Segedin, LF Ben Gamel, CF Jake Cave, RF Taylor Dugas

OUT OF THE PEN: Manny Banuelos, David Herndon, Fred Lewis, Dellin Betances

UPDATE, 1:15 p.m.: A big strikeout on a breaking ball put David Phelps one out away from stranding runners at the corners here in the first inning, but Chris Colabello just roped a two-out RBI single into right field for a 1-0 Twins lead. Phelps followed with a balk. Getting weird early here at Steinbrenner Field.

UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: Knowing it would be a close play, Ellsbury forced the issue by stretching a single into a double to leadoff the bottom of the first. The throw to second came in low and got past the shortstop (no error was called). Ellsbury had gone into a feet-first slide, but as soon as the ball shot free, Ellsbury managed to immediately pop up and actually round second base with pretty good speed before deciding not to try for third. Nice base running.

UPDATE, 1:22 p.m.: And Roberts makes it mean something with a game-tying ground-rule double to left. It’s a 1-1 game.

UPDATE, 1:24 p.m.: There’s an RBI single by Teixeira. He was hitting left-handed and went the other way.

UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Pretty decent play by Nunez going to his right on a grounder to short, but Phelps has now allowed back-to-back two-out hits in the fourth. He has runners at second and third with the top of the order coming up.

UPDATE, 2:12 p.m.: Broken bat grounder to second gets Phelps out of the inning and keeps the Yankees in the lead, 3-2.

UPDATE., 2:36 p.m.: Another two-out single by Colabello has tied the game at 3. This one came off David Herndon. The inning ended with Eduardo Nunez getting a force out at second, where he seemed to take a spike to the shin. We’ll see if he stays in the game.

UPDATE, 2:47 p.m.: Well, Nunez is out of the game, but so are most of the regulars. Meanwhile, Banuelos is having another rocky outing with a single and two walks so far.

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226 Responses to “Spring Game 17: Yankees vs. Twins”

  1. Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    McCann is saving all of his drillings for the regular season – playing those cards very close to the vest. Me likey.

  2. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    A guy on an innings limit who doesnt even have his full stuff is not necessarily even a marginal upgrade. It puts more pressure on the bullpen.

  3. Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    I’ll be selling Pineda Rules T-shirts at the 4 station

  4. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Phelps is not more than a 6 inning pitcher either.

  5. Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Fine, then. Phelps Rules T-shirts too

  6. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    Phelps is not more than a 6 inning pitcher either.

    6 innings is better than 3 or 4, or 5. And Phelps can pitch the whole season. If you pitch Pineda in the start of the season you lose him for the end of it. All the while you’re basically putting tons of pressure on your bullpen in any given start.

  7. Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Minnesota is putting Hughes on a 30-pitch limit this season, so they can go into the third inning only down by 4

  8. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    You don’t have to pitch Pineda only 3-5 innings nor have him miss the end of the season.

    The 5th starter can be skipped when there are off days. He only needs to make about 25 starts. Have him go about 6 innings per start and that’s 150 innings. I think they can have him throw 150.

  9. Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    The way the weather is these days, MLB should get used to fewer and fewer days off, along with rescheduled games and Double Headers

  10. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Mike Stanton just said that Cano might lead the league in walks….lol

  11. Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Great Kipnis article in the new SI

  12. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Well whatever the Yankees decide with Pineda and Phelps I expect them to manage their innings wel and efficiently ! (Ahhhhahhahaah)

  13. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    OMG TEX WENT OPPO! :shock:

  14. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees are going to be able to just only pitch Pineda for 25 starts-6 innings per start. You can only do that in a perfect world. When injuries happen, or the fact that you have to also skip some starts for CC/Kuroda/Tanaka and suddenly you’ve got 25 starts you need to make up somewhere else. And not in a way that is easy to handle since you’re not actually replacing a guy for a large stretch but mixing and matching.

    Theres too many external variables that happen in a rotation.

  15. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    I think the Yankees should option Michael Pineda to AAA and then cyrogenically freeze him so they can enjoy his prime years in 2018-2022.

  16. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    blake March 14th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    “I am very aware of [the coming crisis],” Brian Cashman said. “But being aware of it and being able to address it are very different.”

    =============
    I agree that Ben Affleck as Batman is a crisis…and there is nothing we can do about it.

  17. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    I like JF’s proposed move of Pineda to minors until August to get 4 years of control over his prime years. Makes the kind of sense that probably won’t be considered.

  18. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    =============
    I agree that Ben Affleck as Batman is a crisis…and there is nothing we can do about it.”

    Worst…. Not even signing Drew can fix that

  19. j9d March 14th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    If Roberts can stay healthy and Tex can hit oppo at will, thing will be goog. I know, big ifs.

  20. j9d March 14th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    *things. **good

  21. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
    =============
    I agree that Ben Affleck as Batman is a crisis…and there is nothing we can do about it.”

    Worst…. Not even signing Drew can fix that
    —-
    Drew in Robin’s tights….not sure I am ready for that.

  22. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    CC, Tanaka, Kuroda and Nova are not getting skipped if they are healthy.

    Injuries are dealt with as usual either with a long man and/or calling up a minor leaguer.

  23. @rational_sports March 14th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    Phelps has played an important role for the Yankees the last several years and I expect he will do so again this year. He may start in the bullpen, but I expect him to start at least a handful of games.

  24. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    The Yankees committed to trying to win right now when they spent the money they did this winter and gave up like all their draft picks……that’s the lane they chose …..so that’s why if they think he’s one of their 5 best starters he’s probably going north in the rotation. I get both sides of this argument…..but I think it’s been 2 years and they are ready to get some value out of him and I also think they really need to find out what he is this year to know how badly they’ll need pitching next year. If Pineda pitches all year at AAA then you still really don’t know what he is

  25. Benny Blanco March 14th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Blake,

    Well all know that the “true” test for tex’s wrist will be when he swings and misses. Maybe he will be so deathly afraid of doing so that he will hit the ball the other way and not try and pull it..LMAO

  26. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Hassey March 14th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    Minnesota is putting Hughes on a 30-pitch limit this season, so they can go into the third inning only down by 4
    ===
    They’re being optimistic!

  27. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    If you freeze Pineda you have to consider the hibernation sickness he will have when unfrozen and the possibility that he will be gifted to a crime lord in the meantime making his eventual retrieval hazardous for the Yankees.

  28. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    If Pineda pitches all year at AAA then you still really don’t know what he is

    -

    But you don’t have to pitch him all year at AAA, and I think if he pitches successfully until August 1st and shows good stuff then they can have a pretty good idea of what he is.

  29. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    True, they may then have to deal with Joba again.

  30. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    “UPDATE, 1:24 p.m.: There’s an RBI single by Teixeira. He was hitting left-handed and went the other way.”

    sometimes the snow comes down in June….sometimes the sun goes round the moon….

  31. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
    OMG TEX WENT OPPO! :shock:
    =================================

    That ridiculous option will simply add 30+ points to his BA.

    Does he really want to do that ?

    (or was he simply late on a swing ?)

  32. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    I just can’t see any way that Affleck isn’t a terrible batman…..

  33. Russell Munson March 14th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Do we even trust that Pineda’s shoulder will hold up for four more seasons? If he’s one of their best five starters, shouldn’t they just use him while he’s healthy?

  34. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Did he have 2 strikes, was it an emergency hack?

  35. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    What do you put on a sore shoulder?

    Ice pack!

    Imagine 4 years of that sort of therapy?

    He’ll come back in 2018 averaging 100 on the FB.

  36. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Affleck is just not cool enough to be Batman.

  37. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    “But you don’t have to pitch him all year at AAA, and I think if he pitches successfully until August 1st and shows good stuff then they can have a pretty good idea of what he is.”

    maybe but not nearly as well as if he pitched a full season. I’m just not as concerned about gaining that extra year of control if he can help them win now…..also there is a good chance that Phelps will end up in the rotation anyway because somebody will get hurt. they always do…..

  38. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    Do we even trust that Pineda’s shoulder will hold up for four more seasons? If he’s one of their best five starters, shouldn’t they just use him while he’s healthy?

    Eh if we’re worried about pitcher injuries then theres no point to developing pitchers in a systematic way anyways. What if rushing him to major league work this year contributes to reinjuring the shoulder? I don’t think you can just act like he is disposable.

  39. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    “Do we even trust that Pineda’s shoulder will hold up for four more seasons? If he’s one of their best five starters, shouldn’t they just use him while he’s healthy?”

    That’s a good point…..why waste the bullets he has in the minors when you really don’t know how many he has left?

  40. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    “Affleck is just not cool enough to be Batman.”

    nope….I mean you have to have somebody with an edge to them to play Batman…..Batman doesn’t smile…..Batman is gruff…..Batman is not Ben Affleck.

  41. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Kevin Kernan ?@WheresKernan 7m
    Two of the hardest working baseball writers both grew up on a farm. They are here today at Steinbrenner Field @Buster_ESPN @LoHudYankees

    How dare he disgrace Chad by mentioning him in the same tweet as Bluster

  42. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
    Affleck is just not cool enough to be Batman.
    ====
    Think how cool it will be when he takes off his batman mask and is wearing his Daredevil mask underneath!

  43. Ys Guy March 14th, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Tex doesn’t go oppo, are you sure he didn’t mean to check his swing?

  44. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:49 pm

    Every now and then Tex will pop one up down the LF line and they are shifted so far over that they can’t get to it…..was it that sort of opo hit or did he actually hit a ball hard the other way?

  45. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Is Rob Sefedin any sort of prospect at 3B? Never really hear much about him.

  46. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Ys Guy March 14th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
    Tex doesn’t go oppo, are you sure he didn’t mean to check his swing?

    —————————

    ????
    Check swing ?
    Late swing ?
    Good hitting ?

  47. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    I have yet to hear anyone claim that Ben Affleck was a GOOD choice to play Batman.

  48. tomingeorgia March 14th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    blake,
    It was a hard hit ground ball to the shortstop’s right, and looked purposeful.

  49. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Tex, not 2 strikes, full swing, opposite field low liner, amazing.

  50. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    The notion of withholding players (in this case, 4 months, and not even addressing how the players would respond to it) is good and fine as a theory in principle. The logic is evident. It just seems to exist in a vacuum.

    As we all know the future of this organization is certainly in question given the current state of the farm system and changes to the free agent landscape in recent years.

    Yes, in a vacuum, having a player of Pineda’s potential an extra year (in 4 hours) has merit. But we could also be theoretically talking about having the 2018 Cy Young award winner under team control pitch for a last place team, and which point you’ll have to pay him anyway.

    ‘Team control’ seems of the lesser of the specific concerns of the NY Yankees.

  51. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    “It was a hard hit ground ball to the shortstop’s right, and looked purposeful.”

    wow….that’s very difficult for him to do….he has to totally change his normal swing plane to even make that possible.

  52. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    are you the @realstuckey?

  53. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Gameday has video of Tex’s hit if anyone wants to see a replay.

  54. blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Kevin Kernan ?@WheresKernan 1m
    McCann sets up low and away, Phelps fastball up and in — you know the rest of that story

  55. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    “purposeful”

    Haven’t really heard that word in a while (if ever at all)…but would love to hear it numerous times this year associated with a Tex AB !

    (preferably a hit)

  56. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    blake March 14th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Well whatever the Yankees decide with Pineda and Phelps I expect them to manage their innings wel and efficiently ! (Ahhhhahhahaah)

    ————————-

    :lol:

  57. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    I have yet to hear anyone claim that Ben Affleck was a GOOD choice to play Batman.
    =========
    An unbiased Jennifer Garner thinks he will be great.

  58. tomingeorgia March 14th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    blake,
    It wasn’t a loopy swing. He stroked it and looked good doing it.

  59. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    There is plenty of reason outside of team control to send Pineda to the minors though. This isn’t just a cost saving maneuver like the Rays or Nats would do. The guy they are sending down has not pitched in the majors for 2 years. 2018 is far away, but its not like you aren’t also getting 2015,2016,2017. The only thing that is affected is the amount of innings you get in 2014, and that is already in doubt due to how little he has pitched.

  60. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Blake, after my 1:53 post, do you even have to ask? :-)

    Just waiting for Randy to show up so we can talk Pineda vs. you-know-who.

  61. Mottsx March 14th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    Could Phelps even go 180+ innings based on his passed few years?

  62. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    I have yet to hear anyone claim that Ben Affleck was a GOOD choice to play Batman.
    =========
    An unbiased Jennifer Garner thinks he will be great.

    —–

    Deep down I’m not sure if she really believes that.

  63. bbb51 March 14th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    Ah, there’s the old Tex rolling over one to 2B.

  64. blake March 14th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    “Blake, after my 1:53 post, do you even have to ask? :-)”

    pretty snarky…..yea good to see you. Screename Randy was banned but he’s still here in disguise pretty often…..

  65. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    This was the list I compiled of people that would make a better (or worse) Batman than Ben Affleck… the list began on August 23rd and half of it is in the LoHud archives!

    Better options: Michael Fassbender, Kevin Zegers, Jake Gyllanhaal, Anthony Mackie, Michael B. Jordan, Idris Elba, Ryan Gosling, Charlie Hunnam, Jeremy Renner, Kevin Richardson, Wes Bentley, Colin Farrell, Matt Bomer, Hugh Jackman, Voldemort, Timothy Olyphant, Brad Patt, Daniel Craig, Joseph Gordon Levitt, Derek Jeter, Channing Tatum, Jamie Foxx, Denzel Washington, Alexander Skarsgard, Blair Underwood, Leonardo DiCaprio, Matthew McConaughey, Joseph Finnes, RuPaul, CASEY AFFLECK.

    Worse options: Mark Wahlberg, Johnny Depp, Vin Diesel, Ryan Reynolds, Bradley Cooper, a tree.

  66. blake March 14th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    “It wasn’t a loopy swing. He stroked it and looked good doing it.”

    where has that been the last 5 years.

  67. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    Although Jennifer Lopez thinks he will svck.

    and Jennifer Anniston has yet to weigh in.

  68. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Let’s cast for Robin now…. Aaron Paul, JGL, I just like Anthony Mackie so why not throw him in there, Zac Efron (hahahahahahaha), Andrew Garfield..

  69. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    “…Scouts outside the Orioles organization indicate that Baltimore is on the hunt for a backup catcher…”
    ===============

    I think Buck would rather catch himself than to trade with the Yankees – in fear that the NYY would eventually get the better of any deal in the long run.

    Does this smell of a possible 3-team deal….?

    (Everyone ‘saves face’)

  70. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    The free agent landscape changing is exactly why they should be trying to maximize service time for their potentially good minor league players.

  71. Tackelberry March 14th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Affleck is a die hard Red Sox fan. Despises the Yankees.

  72. blake March 14th, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    “Worse options: Mark Wahlberg, Johnny Depp, Vin Diesel, Ryan Reynolds, Bradley Cooper, a tree.”

    The only ones I could see worse there are Bradley Cooper and Ryan Reynolds…..Marky Mark wouldn’t be that bad…. even Johnny Deep is more edgy that Ben Affleck. Hugh Jackman would have been good but he’s already Wolverine……basically anybody

  73. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Worse options: Mark Wahlberg, Johnny Depp, Vin Diesel, Ryan Reynolds, Bradley Cooper, a tree.
    ====
    I think a tree might be a toss up as far as emotional range…

    I mean I did love Affleck in Good Will Hunting when he was negotiating a fee with the company for Will…but then I also loved a tree in the Robert Frost poem…Affleck…tree…affleck…tree…toss up to me.

  74. Patrick March 14th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    I’d definitely start Pineda out in AAA. Its time the Yankees gave Phelps his shot at sticking in the rotation. Pineda will contribute to the big league club this year but it’s just a safer move to start him off in the minors.

  75. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    JF, but it’s pointless to lock yourself into that unless he goes down and STAYS down until August, correct?

    What if he’s performing and Phelps is struggling in May? What if two guys in the rotation are on IR?

    If I understand the factors correctly your proposed scenerio requires a commitment that cannot be altered regardless of the NYY possible NEEDS in April-July.

    Again, I recognize the logic in a vacuum. But unless the Yankees are willing to commit to August regardless of any and ALL factors, then you do in April what your first instincts are.

    His inning limits also may very well take care of themselves.

  76. blake March 14th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    “Let’s cast for Robin now…. Aaron Paul, JGL, I just like Anthony Mackie so why not throw him in there, Zac Efron (hahahahahahaha), Andrew Garfield..”

    if Ben Affleck is Batman then Robin has to be the Beebs

  77. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Stuckey,

    I agree, there are other things that could happen that sideline the service time thing, but if you start him in the majors you basically throw away the service time thing 100%. They would have to send him down by June 1st and keep him down if he starts in the majors. The only way to have Pineda get the service time extension and have him available for the stretch / playoffs is to do it my way.

    If some bad stuff happens, fine, take a left and bring him up (if he is performing in the minors). I am open to that. My point is that the Yankees are not in that situation right now, so why limit your options?

    By starting him in the majors you just remove choices the team can make. And who knows, maybe Phelps is stinking it up in May and you bring up Nuno instead! I don’t know why a Pineda coming off 2 years of no pitching is the only choice this team has for a 5th or 6th starter.

  78. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Robin casting…

    Justin Bieber/Mily Cyrus…cuz he’s Batman’s b1tch.

  79. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Blake, I’m a bit more bullish on Affleck than some of the naysayers, but that said, I believe that eventually Ben Affleck will be announced as the director of the eventual Justice League film. I believe that’s the other shoe that will drop and be part of the deal he’s made with Warner Bros.

    That’s a harder choice to argue against.

  80. blake March 14th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    “Blake, I’m a bit more bullish on Affleck than some of the naysayers, but that said, I believe that eventually Ben Affleck will be announced as the director of the eventual Justice League film. I believe that’s the other shoe that will drop and be part of the deal he’s made with Warner Bros.”

    unless this Batman vs Superman movies is so bad that the the Justice league gets canned…..if this is to set up a Justice League movie (and apparently it is) then they can’t just switch Batmans……

    The Avengers was so good because they nailed the casting…..they got the RDJ to be Iron man and they finally got the Hulk casting right……

  81. Giuseppe Franco March 14th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    Shame Spencer August 23rd, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Let’s cast for Robin now…. Aaron Paul, JGL, I just like Anthony Mackie so why not throw him in there, Zac Efron (hahahahahahaha), Andrew Garfield..

    —-

    Now who would be more entertaining as Robin than Jesse Pinkman?

    To the bat cave….B!TCH!!!!

  82. hardwired7 March 14th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    So Buster Olney’s @Steinbrenner Field today? I guess that means tomorrow’s Insider blog will focus on the Red Sox, per usual.

  83. Tackelberry March 14th, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    Progress for O’Brien. Two at bats and he made didn’t strike out either time

  84. tomingeorgia March 14th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    One nice thing about being older than dirt is that I’ve only recognized 1 or 2 of the actors you’re discussing, as well as not caring a whit who’s cast as Batman!

  85. blake March 14th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    “So Buster Olney’s @Steinbrenner Field today? I guess that means tomorrow’s Insider blog will focus on the Red Sox, per usual.”

    of course

  86. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:33 pm

    It’s hard to stay up. Every time he’s gone up, he’s always come back down. It was thought that that was only because he was young. And now, with children and a devoted wife, he was supposed to be able to hold it together. So far, sure, but just barely.

    There were signs before Christmas but during the holidays, he injured his back on a ski trip. This was not widely disclosed and kept out of the press. Painkillers were prescribed. The big movie was pushed back. C*cktails were consumed in combination at events. No one remembers he actually went to rehab several years ago. Still, so far, he’s functioning. And things are great with his wife. She really tries to take care of him but she’s not always with him. When he’s out on his own, it gets messy. There have been times lately where he’s been so drunk, he’s the dude passed out on the couch when everyone else has gone home. Either that or he’s the dude who’s all over the tall, attractive model type at the Oscar party that his wife decided to skip. Oh yeah, that happened. It keeps happening. They were talking nose to nose. He gave her the full charm. A “later on” was definitely implied, while everyone around him just shrugged. Because it’s not the first time and it’s not the last time and it’s the secret they’re all expected to keep. Not because he doesn’t love the mother of his children, because he does, he really, really does. But between the pills and the alcohol, he’s losing control of that side of himself that’s been held in check for too long.

    Poor Jennifer Gardner.

  87. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    Patrick March 14th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
    I’d definitely start Pineda out in AAA. Its time the Yankees gave Phelps his shot at sticking in the rotation. Pineda will contribute to the big league club this year but it’s just a safer move to start him off in the minors.

    ———————-

    The other factor here is Phelps’ trade value… he’s worth more as a starter, so maybe showcase him for a month or two of the season first?

  88. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 2:38 pm

    Marvel has already set up their Captain America 3 movie to open against Batman vs. Superman… Marvel always wins, their movies are just better.

  89. yankeefeminista March 14th, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Go ManBan!

  90. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Blake,

    Like I say, I don’t have possess the visceral Affleck objection some people do. No movie Batman has exactly emoted while Batman, and Affleck’s cool, intense demeanor on display in Argo will be fine.

    I can’t see his scenes as Bruce Wayne ruining the film.

    Henry Cavill ain’t exactly Henry Fonda himself.

  91. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    JF, I’m just extremely dubious the conditions will exist that allows you to keep him there to August and even what you’re gaining in the process if what, luxury tax cap considerations in 2018?

    I also believe asking him to sit on the minors for 4 months is no small issue. Yes, the Yankees CAN do it and he can’t do anything about it, but it doesn’t make it a wise decision.

    Too many variables and not enough upside to see your exact path being followed to the letter.

  92. UpState March 14th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    What’s Manny’s typical FB speed ?

  93. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    JF, I’m just extremely dubious the conditions will exist that allows you to keep him there to August and even what you’re gaining in the process if what, luxury tax cap considerations in 2018?

    I also believe asking him to sit on the minors for 4 months is no small issue. Yes, the Yankees CAN do it and he can’t do anything about it, but it doesn’t make it a wise decision.

    Too many variables and not enough upside to see your exact path being followed to the letter.

    Why does Pineda deserve to start in the majors when he hasn’t pitched at all in the past 2 years? What has he earned? Why is he the only guy that can be called up? You could put 2 or 3 guys ahead him in the starting order and then it would be a pretty bad year for him to be next in line to start in the majors.

    I don’t see how building Pineda’s innings, strengthening him, giving him reps to work on his change, and gaining an extra year of team control is ‘not enough upside’.

    Again, its not like Pineda is coming off back to back 150 inning minor league years where he has shown he has nothing to improve at that level.

  94. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    I think the discussion about whether to start Pineda in AAA until Aug 1 is a very interesting one, and I can’t wait to read Joel Sherman’s column on it tomorrow.

  95. Tackelberry March 14th, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    Banuelos struggling again. Command clearly not there right now.

  96. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Basically ya’ll are acting like Pineda is some kind of seasoned veteran who has very recent major league success. He pitched 1 season in the majors, and hardly has any minor league time anyways.

  97. jmills March 14th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Who is Jennifer Gardner, and who is it with her? Oliver Reed? Richard Harris?, Peter O’Toole? Christopher Plumber?, John Barrymore? I’m lost.

    Strong outing by Drew Hutchison today.

  98. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    Maybe if he had made it back to the majors last year you guys would have more of a point on his rotation spot, but he didn’t even get to the majors. He pitched 40 innings in the minors and was shut down with shoulder soreness.

  99. BoJo March 14th, 2014 at 2:56 pm

    As well as Sherman’s take on who should play Robin….

  100. Tackelberry March 14th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Thats it for Banuelos. Was hoping for a bounceback outing from him. Faced 5 batters, retired only 1. Gave up 2 runs, 2 hits and 2 walks and struck out 1.

  101. sammiejohnson March 14th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

    And how many wins Sherman is predicting in Trisha’s contest.

  102. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    “Marvel has already set up their Captain America 3 movie to open against Batman vs. Superman… Marvel always wins, their movies are just better.”

    All 3 Dark Knight movies were better IMO than any of the Marvel movies including the Avengers…..but really that’s all DC has….in general yes the Marvel movies are better done. I liked Man of Steel ok…..but they still have yet to get Superman right.

  103. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    Fred Lewis could be taking Cabral’s 40 man spot.

  104. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Banuelos has really had command and control problems for awhile now…..hard to understand why too….his delivery is so clean and repeatable. It always looks like to me he’s just trying to hard to hit spots and just missing……like he’ll try to hit the outside corner and just miss outside……I didn’t see him throw today but that’s what he’s done for like 2 years now when he’s pitched. It’s frustrating……he needs to attack the zone. The Yankees should pull hin aside and say listen……we don’t care if you get hit this year…..we want you to not walk anybody ever

  105. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Is Prime time hurt bad?

  106. Tackelberry March 14th, 2014 at 3:12 pm

    Blake:

    He is clearly rusty from not pitching for over a year. Gotta give him some time. He’ll go to EXT ST and work with the coaches on that and then head to Triple A and hopefully he’ll get it together. Still only 22

  107. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    “He is clearly rusty from not pitching for over a year. Gotta give him some time. He’ll go to EXT ST and work with the coaches on that and then head to Triple A and hopefully he’ll get it together. Still only 22″

    yea I’m just happy he’s healthy…..but he’s doing a lot of the same stuff he was doing before he got hurt. Time is still on his side though yes and the stuff looks good…..he just has to refine things.

  108. yankeefeminista March 14th, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    I like it. Let’s go Dell!

  109. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Lohud Yankees Blog ?@LoHudYankees 2m
    Nunez was spiked on the left thigh. Said he thought it was unnecessary, “but I don’t think he did it on purpose.” Said he’s alright.

    Nunie’s hands are the only things made of stone….you can’t hurt him

  110. yankeefeminista March 14th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    K. One more.

  111. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Lewis and Betances both got brought into sticky situations. I think both guys are en route to making to this team.

  112. yankeefeminista March 14th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Atta boy!

  113. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    There’s NO way Captain America 3 is opening up opposite Superman/Batman.

  114. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    I like Phelps, but if Pineda’s healthy he’s the better starting pitcher.

    So I guess the question is, why wouldn’t you take your best five starters?

    End of the day, if Pineda and Phelps are both pitching well enough to be considered for the rotation that’s a problem a lot of teams would like to have.

  115. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    yea I think Betances is making the team…..as he should…..he has nothing else to do in the minors….time to get some value from himm

  116. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    I didn’t realize there was Captain America 2 made?

  117. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    what the velo on Betances?

  118. blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    best Superhero movies of all time:

    1. The Dark Knight
    2. The Dark Knight Rises
    3. Batman Begins
    4. The Avengers
    5. Iron Man
    6. Spiderman 2
    7. Superman 1
    8. Superman 2.
    9. Iron Man 2
    10. Iron Man 3.

  119. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    JF, the conditional argument is Pineda continues to perform. If he stinks it up the rest of the way and Phelps is better, okay.

    This is a all things being relatively equal equation.

    And you’re not exactly arguing for let the better pitch pitch either. You’re ticketing him to AAA no matter what.

    Of the two arguments, yours is in fact the less relevant to how he and his competition pitch this spring. YOU’RE saying throw that out as a factor.

    So you calling out other people on GIVING him a rotation spot is a bit odd when you’re not allowing him to qualify for one.

    I can only argue for myself. I’M not arguing gifting him a rotation spot. I’m arguing NOT disqualifying him by default to chase a marginal benefit that odds are won’t be available to then Yankees in 4 years anyway.

    There’s till a handful of starts to decide whether he should be sent down because he isn’t one of the 5 best starters, because the combo of he and Phelps are TWO of the 12 best options, because he needs more seasoning, more time for his fastball to tick up.

    Those things should ALL be factors.

    Service time concerns – not so much.

  120. willwill March 14th, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    93-95 but all he throws is curves and does it well

  121. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    blake, Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Cap 2) opens in 2 weeks. I didn’t know the YES Network was available i whatever cave you’re living in.. :-)

  122. tomingeorgia March 14th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    Betances just brought one at 96.

  123. tomingeorgia March 14th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    Nice curve.

  124. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    I just don’t think ~15 innings of spring should count more than 2 years of lost playing time.

  125. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    Who says it does? He still has an option.

    If his spring performance (assuming it continues be to strong for sake of discussion) turns out to be a mirage, he can still be optioned to AAA, yes?

    All permutations of your argument will eventually lead back to the service time issue – its premise at the core is hedging against that.

    Eliminate that from the equation and where he starts becomes mostly meaningless. He wouldn’t be the first pitcher to earn a rotation job in spring training coming off injuries.

  126. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    Captain America 2 comes out in April.

    stuckey – Captain America 3 is set to battle Batman vs. Superman, it was reported yesterday: http://www.vulture.com/2014/03.....erman.html

    I do not lie tell.

  127. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Even without the service time there is still pitcher development aspect of it though. I’ve brought this up before today even, but I don’t like that every top Yankee pitcher like Hughes, Joba, Manny, Pineda, etc just have no innings when they are trying to bust into a rotation. I think it affects not only the season they come in, but the next few seasons as well.

    Obviously including Manny in there is speculation, but he has basically no innings and unless he spends next year in the minors too he will probably be breaking in (or busting) next year with ~100 innings this season.

  128. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    If Pineda is injured while on the active roster he gains service time. That is why he lost a year and a half worth of time with his injury in 2012. They couldn’t option him until his rehab timer was over.

  129. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
    Captain America 2 comes out in April.

    stuckey – Captain America 3 is set to battle Batman vs. Superman, it was reported yesterday:

    —————-

    Correct. But a lot of people think it’ll never happen. It’s two years away and movies get moved all the time. But it’s a cool story for right now.

  130. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    Shame, I know that story broke. I’m saying it will never actually happen.

    One movie IS going to move. Almost certainly Captain America. Even the guys who wrote Cap 2 thinks one of them will move.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.c.....ere-688672

    I’m fairly certain Marvel Studios is both hedging that Man of Steel 2 won’t make the date (it will delayed once) already, or they’re just banking the free media the story is giving them right before Cap 2 opens.

    Man of Steel 2 can’t move unless there is a production delay. Cap 3 can’t open against Superman/Batman. Theater owners, who wield enormous power, would be incensed.

  131. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    JF, yes or no. If he isn’t very good in April he can be optioned to AAA in May?

  132. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    blake March 14th, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    best Superhero movies of all time:

    1. The Dark Knight
    2. The Dark Knight Rises
    3. Batman Begins
    4. The Avengers
    5. Iron Man
    6. Spiderman 2
    7. Superman 1
    8. Superman 2.
    9. Iron Man 2
    10. Iron Man 3.

    ————-

    As far as pure enjoyment, I’d go:

    Avengers
    Xmen 2
    Spiderman 2
    Iron Man
    Batman (with Keaton & Jack)
    Wolverine (most recent one)
    Hulk (with Ed Norton)
    Spiderman
    Capt America
    Thor

  133. blake March 14th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    I think Man of Steel could have been so much better than it was…..they had the cast….it was the story that kinda wasn’t there….it was choppy…..it didn’t develop well. I don’t know if they’ll ever nail a superman movie like Nolan did with Batman…..it’s a lot harder to do

  134. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    Marvel actually had that weekend held first. They just didn’t announce what movie would be playing until yesterday. So WB knew they’d be going up against Marvel when they put Superman on that weekend. One of them will blink. Makes no sense for both to stay there. Although, in the long run, I don’t think it’ll hurt either’s overall box office.

  135. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    blake, some people’s knock on Zack Snyder is that he makes spectacles, but he isn’t a natural storyteller.

  136. blake March 14th, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    I like hearing Dellin throwing 96. If things break right he’ll be the set up man by the end of the season. I hope he takes that job

  137. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    JF, yes or no. If he isn’t very good in April he can be optioned to AAA in May?

    Yes of course. He can be optioned at any time. Though I’d think he’d have to be pretty bad to be optioned after only 4-5 starts. And it puts a time limit on when he can be optioned to get that savings.

  138. blake March 14th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    “blake, some people’s knock on Zack Snyder is that he makes spectacles, but he isn’t a natural storyteller.”

    I agree with that totally regarding MOS. It was awesome visually…..but the story kinda sucked IMO….I think they veered too far away from the traditional character as well to try and make it more edgy or more modern. It’ll be interesting to see where they go in the next one…..

  139. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    The problem with DC properties is that they suck. Superman sucks. Everyone except Batman sucks. Marvel has all the fun properties.

  140. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    CC, it would enormously effect both of their box office. There is only so many screens, so much oxygen in the room.

    WB moved Superman/Batman to Marvel’s date. They CAN’T move it now unless for legitimate production reasons and even then it’d be a huge PR blow.

    Captain America can’t open against Superman/Batman because it’s going to have a HUGE opening weekend no matter what.

    Marvel will almost certainly move it. They’re getting free media right now showing that they’re so confident in Cap 2 that they’re going to put Cap 3 up against a gigantic event. Considering they’re in Cap 2 promotion mode now, it’s a smart story to have out there.

  141. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    I just don’t think ~15 innings of spring should count more than 2 years of lost playing time.
    ————————-

    As a major league starter – Phelps has a 4.39 ERA over 130 IP – which is very good for a back end starter. That said, if Pineda is showing the form (as in break on his pitches, good velocity) this spring that makes him look close to the pitcher the Yankees thought they were getting when they traded for him, why the heck wouldn’t you want him in the rotation? Why would you want him throwing innings in meaningless AAA games?

  142. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    why the heck wouldn’t you want him in the rotation? Why would you want him throwing innings in meaningless AAA games?

    Because he has thrown 40 innings in 2 years, his high is 170 3 years ago and 130 4 years ago after that. He has a third pitch to develop. He has arm strength to rebuild. The innings aren’t meaningless. Its making up for lost innings he hasn’t pitched the last 2 years. You know he can pitch his 100+ innings in the minors, get some time in the majors, and next year be ready to sit in a rotation slot the whole year. As it stands now the Yankees are going to be doing something funky with him at some point because of his innings.

    Who wants to go through that again after what happened with Joba? Do you think they got smarter in the meanwhile?

  143. Against All Odds March 14th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Francesa: It would be fascinating if someone did an analysis on the Yankees from 96-03 to 04-12 in terms of playoff success? What are the biggest differences between those two eras? One team had 6 WS appearances and 4 wins while the other had 1 appearance and 1 win. It’s not easy to just say it’s one thing.

    Thoughts? Ideas?

  144. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    So again, comes back to service time. That’s the natural end to every argument for sending him down no matter what to start the season.

    Again, eliminate that marginal, future, unlikely benefit from the thought process, and there is no compelling reason to punch his ticket to AAA right now.

    I get there are OTHER reasons and putting them together as a whole there is logic to the idea. But remove the service time and the argument dissassembles. The service is the glue of the argument.

  145. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    Batman vs. Superman will blink on their release date before Marvel does, especially with Ben being kinda erratic lately. Captain America 2 is getting awesome reviews already.

  146. CountryClub March 14th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    CC, it would enormously effect both of their box office. There is only so many screens, so much oxygen in the room.

    ——————

    It would affect the opening weekends. The hardcores will see both on the opening weekend, but most people will pick one or the other. But if both are good, they’ll have legs and hit the same numbers. But they’ll have to be good for that to happen.

    Anyway, 2 years away…..

  147. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    Against All Odds,

    Arod.

  148. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    No one is giving Pineda a rotation spot and I hate the argument that he has a leg up because Phelps has been a quality relief option (though I do think if he’s not traded or in the rotation then Phelps would make a nice Ramiro Mendoza).

    But if Pineda looks like anything close to the pitcher he was when the Yankees traded for him then he should absolutely be in the rotation. Keeping him in the minors because he was hurt the last two years or to keep his service time clock from restarting are foolish arguments.

    You take your best players. A healthy Pineda is clearly a better pitcher than David Phelps.

  149. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    So again, comes back to service time. That’s the natural end to every argument for sending him down no matter what to start the season.

    —————–

    It isn’t at all.. the reason to start him in AAA has more to do with his development than his service time.. the service time is only a potential bonus. He still needs development as a pitcher because of the surgery.

  150. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    I disagree that extending team control is marginal or unlikely. Why is stretching him out or working on his change up not a compelling reason for you? Why is the example of Hughes & Joba in the past not a compelling reason? Pineda could look fine now, but later in the season fall apart and you could end up missing all of 2015 with whatever because you tried to pitch a guy with 40 innings in 2 years as a starter with no build up.

  151. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    JF,

    Its not like his innings wouldn’t have to be managed in AAA too. Does anyone know the right formula to get to an inning limit.

    Is it to try to have a pitcher pitch deep into games as is the goal of a healthy pitcher and then shut him down when he reaches his limit. Is it to try to spread his inning over a season so that he pitches every 5 days for 6 months but never works into the 6th inning?

    Do you give him a vacation in the middle of the year?

    Do you skip him regularly thereby never allowing him to establish the routine ML pitchers are accostumed to?

    I’m really asking? Who’s got insight into that question?

  152. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    04-2012, for the first half of this stretch the starters were mostly not very good. For 2010-2012 the offenses were not good enough.

  153. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    CC, it would enormously effect both of their box office. There is only so many screens, so much oxygen in the room.

    —————-

    You’re assuming it will impact them negatively but the hype of the competition could drive ticket sales for both rather than hurting either.

    The problem is not as many people are going to want to see Ben Affleck as Batman, while Captain America is a known quanity with a track record. Henry Cavill has all the charisma of a piece of cardboard so Batman is probably gonna be selling that film.

  154. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    why the heck wouldn’t you want him in the rotation? Why would you want him throwing innings in meaningless AAA games?

    Because he has thrown 40 innings in 2 years, his high is 170 3 years ago and 130 4 years ago after that. He has a third pitch to develop. He has arm strength to rebuild. The innings aren’t meaningless. Its making up for lost innings he hasn’t pitched the last 2 years. You know he can pitch his 100+ innings in the minors, get some time in the majors, and next year be ready to sit in a rotation slot the whole year. As it stands now the Yankees are going to be doing something funky with him at some point because of his innings.

    Who wants to go through that again after what happened with Joba? Do you think they got smarter in the meanwhile?
    —————————

    I do think they got smarter – I think that if the Yankees determined that Pineda was on an innings limit they would look to either skip him a few times or shut him down completely towards the end of the season like Washington did with Strasburg. Best case scenario, Pineda’s pitches well all year, the Yankees build up a big lead in the East and Phelps, Warren and Nuno are all pitching well in AAA all season and so when/if they decide to shut Pineda down one of those three can come up and pick up where he left off.

    But keeping a pitcher in the minors because you’re afraid of what might happen when he gets to his innings limit in the majors is silly.

  155. Shame Spencer March 14th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    It’s easier to manage innings in AAA than in MLB. Look at what they did to Joba when they tried to make him a starter but kept pulling him after 4 innings. It was a disaster. Completely messed up his rhythm.

  156. Against All Odds March 14th, 2014 at 4:32 pm

    stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
    Against All Odds,

    Arod.

    ————-

    Only A-rod??

  157. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Phelps, Warren and Nuno are all pitching well in AAA all season and so when/if they decide to shut Pineda down one of those three can come up and pick up where he left off.

    Phelps & Warren aren’t going to be in AAA according to Girardi.

  158. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    I disagree that extending team control is marginal or unlikely. Why is stretching him out or working on his change up not a compelling reason for you? Why is the example of Hughes & Joba in the past not a compelling reason? Pineda could look fine now, but later in the season fall apart and you could end up missing all of 2015 with whatever because you tried to pitch a guy with 40 innings in 2 years as a starter with no build up.
    ————————

    And Pineda could blow out his shoulder in Scranton just as easily as he can in New York. You can’t bubble wrap these guys. If he’s healthy, you pitch him. If you have an innings limit in mind, when he gets there you shut him down.

  159. Against All Odds March 14th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    04-2012, for the first half of this stretch the starters were mostly not very good. For 2010-2012 the offenses were not good enough.

    —————-

    True it’s weird how it happened that way.

  160. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    But keeping a pitcher in the minors because you’re afraid of what might happen when he gets to his innings limit in the majors is silly.

    Its not about fear its about doing the right thing for Pineda’s development. Hughes had no innings for a few years, pitched out of the pen in 09, then pitched a full season in 2010 and immediately had shoulder trouble the next year.

    Now we have a guy coming off shoulder surgery with no innings, so you want him to pitch in the majors, at what cost? He isn’t even a keystone part of the rotation! 5th starter, why risk it when you have 3 5th starter options on the 40 man right now besides him?

  161. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Phelps, Warren and Nuno are all pitching well in AAA all season and so when/if they decide to shut Pineda down one of those three can come up and pick up where he left off.

    Phelps & Warren aren’t going to be in AAA according to Girardi.
    —————————

    Well you can only carry so many pitchers – with the way Betances is pitching my guess is one of those guys goes to the minors.

  162. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    But keeping a pitcher in the minors because you’re afraid of what might happen when he gets to his innings limit in the majors is silly.

    Its not about fear its about doing the right thing for Pineda’s development. Hughes had no innings for a few years, pitched out of the pen in 09, then pitched a full season in 2010 and immediately had shoulder trouble the next year.

    Now we have a guy coming off shoulder surgery with no innings, so you want him to pitch in the majors, at what cost? He isn’t even a keystone part of the rotation! 5th starter, why risk it when you have 3 5th starter options on the 40 man right now besides him?
    ———————-

    What’s the difference between him throwing 130 innings in the majors and him throwing them in Scranton? Why is the injury risk greater in the majors than it is in the minors?

  163. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Well you can only carry so many pitchers – with the way Betances is pitching my guess is one of those guys goes to the minors.

    They can put Betances in the pen without optioning Warren or Phelps. They would option Claiborne.

  164. yanks61 March 14th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    Very interesting discussion vis-à-vis Pineda.

    I just checked over at RAB to see what might be going on over there and Axisa’s latest thread is all about the same thing. And Mike is riding on the Pineda train. His analysis bears reading.

  165. Chip March 14th, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Well you can only carry so many pitchers – with the way Betances is pitching my guess is one of those guys goes to the minors.

    They can put Betances in the pen without optioning Warren or Phelps. They would option Claiborne.
    ——————————–

    In any case – I still think they will end up sending one of those two down (or they will trade one before spring training ends) because having them both there is silly given their roles.

  166. Jerkface March 14th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    What’s the difference between him throwing 130 innings in the majors and him throwing them in Scranton? Why is the injury risk greater in the majors than it is in the minors?

    Well for one thing you have complete control over him in the minors since theres not much on the line there. In the majors you will always have the temptation to keep throwing a guy because you’re winning.

  167. blake March 14th, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    “The problem with DC properties is that they suck. Superman sucks. Everyone except Batman sucks. Marvel has all the fun properties.”

    Superman doesn’t suck….Superman is awesome….it’s just that like the Hulk…Superman is really hard to do well. Really the best adaptation on screen of Superman was Smallvillle…..teeny bopper show I know….but they developed the character…..they had the best Lex ever and also the best Lois ever.

  168. stillstuckey March 14th, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    I understand you think it’s likely the Yankees will be able to keep Pineda in AAA until August not matter what.

    I understand you think paying or extending him after 2018 is a signifcant factor for the NNY Yankees as opposed to doing it after 2017 (though I don’t believe I’ve seen you identify what that is yet).

    That’s the source our disagreement.

    I’m not convinced he’ll require being stretched or he’ll benefit from working on his changeup against MiL hitter vs. ML hitters.

    I’m not an advocate of babying ML players hedging against future worst case scenarios. Your latest arguments are essentially betting that he WILL break down (at which point, if he breaks down AGAIN how much are we REALLY worried about his 2018 free agency)?

    If he’s not very good the next couple of weeks, send him down. if he’s good/better, let him pitch.

    This has been a historical divide between us. You seem to prefer factoring for the worst case scenarios and building the roster with multiple contigency plans at all times.

    I think you play for the immediate future, unless the FAR flung future benefit is extreme, which I don’t see.

    You’re hedging against another total breakdown (at which point it’ll be 3 lost years) and at the same time hedging against when you’ll have to pay him as a free agent.

    There is a division of logic there if you care to identify it.

    The benefit only presents itself if he’s healthy and productive all of 2014, and you want him to be doing that in AAA. Again a breakdown of logic.

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