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Wednesday morning notes: “He realizes how good he can be”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 19, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova

Want to make Ivan Nova’s spring look great? Point out the team-hit 16 strikeouts with only two walks. Single out that dominant early start when he went three hitless against the Nationals. Remind everyone of the mid-game adjustments he made during a start in Kissimmee.

Want to make Nova’s spring look a lot worse? Point out the team-worst 19 hits allow with a 5.40 ERA. Single out the last two start with at least eight hits without pitching more than five innings. Remind everyone of the fact Nova’s struggled with inconsistency in the past.

Here’s what Joe Girardi says.

“I’ve seen a guy that’s come into spring training that, it seems like he realizes how good he can be,” Girardi said. “And I think that’s important. I think for all young players, there’s that doubt always a little bit, can I do this on a consistent basis? Can I do it start after start, or game after game if you’re a position player? Do I need to look over my shoulder? Is there someone always doubting what I can do? I think he’s realized that, you know what, I can be pretty good. He came back last year and was really good, and I think that was kind of the eye-opener for him.”

For whatever it’s worth, the good of Nova’s spring really does seem to outweigh the bad. He has shown an ability to adjust, and he’s kept the ball in the strike zone, and he’s carried himself with a different sort of confidence and maturity than we’ve seen in the past. He gets the start today against Atlanta, and there’s absolutely no reason to believe he won’t be one of the five starters going north.

“It sounds simple, but it’s consistency,” Girardi said. “It’s having command of his fastball. And I’m not talking about hitting corners, I’m just talking about down in the zone because he’s got such good movement. When he has that, he’s going to be effective. … He’s been good. I think his sinker’s been really good. His curveball’s been good. I think he’s developing his changeup. I think it’s improved. He looks really strong. So I think he’s been good.”

Jacoby Ellsbury· Jacoby Ellsbury went through a fairly normal workout yesterday, but he still hasn’t run on his tight right calf. Still up in the air when he might get into a game again.

· Remember that early plan to have Alfonso Soriano play some first base? That probably won’t happen anymore. “We’ve had him take some ground balls,” Girardi said. “I don’t know if we’ll do that (in game) or we’ll just use Kelly (Johnson). Kelly’s going to get another start over there, I want to say it’s Saturday maybe, so we might just do it that way.”

· Vidal Nuno is going to pitch in relief of David Phelps on Thursday, and Adam Warren will pitch in relief of CC Sabathia on Friday. Pretty easy to assume that means those two are the odd men out of the fifth starter competition, even though Girardi said that’s not necessarily the case. “We’re just running out of games,” he said.

· Preston Claiborne was scratched from the travel squad for today’s game. He is instead going to pitch two innings in a minor league game.

· Scott Sizemore was eased into games because of his back-to-back ACL injuries, and now he’s been slowed down by a sore quad. Can he realistically play enough this spring to make the team? “You know, I don’t know,” Girardi said. “We’re shooting for him playing at the end of this week. He’ll do some more stuff today and we’ll evaluate if he’s capable of playing, if he’s ready to play tomorrow.”

· Brendan Ryan is still on track to play tomorrow. He, Sizemore and Russ Canzler are each listed for full batting practice today.

Adam Warren· Adam Warren and Hiroki Kuroda threw bullpens to Francisco Cervelli this morning. Cervelli said his Japanese is getting better. He really is trying to learn a little bit.

· Pitchers Aaron Dott, Graham Stoneburner and Pat Venditte are up from minor league camp for the day. So is catcher Wes Wilson and infielders Casey Stevenson and Ali Castillo.

· Today’s second string: C John Ryan Murphy, 1B Casey Stevenson, 2B Dean Anna, SS Yangervis Solarte, 3B Eduardo Nunez, LF Zelous Wheeler, CF Antoan Richardson, RF Zoilo Almonte, DH Austin Romine

· Scheduled relievers: Danny Burawa, Dellin Betances, Cesar Cabral and Shane Greene (with Yoshinori Tateyama and the minor league guys also making the trip)

· Tomorrow’s travel squad to Fort Myers:
Pitchers: Matt Daley, Chris Leroux, Fred Lewis, David Phelps, Yoshinori Tateyama
Catchers: Francisco Cervelli, Jose Gil, John Ryan Murphy, Austin Romine
Infielders: Dean Anna, Eduardo Nunez, Brendan Ryan, Scott Sizemore, Yangervis Solarte, Mark Teixeira, Zelous Wheeler
Outfielders: Zoilo Almonte, Adonis Garcia, Antoan Richardson, Ichiro Suzuki
Minor league pitchers: Branden Pinder, James Pazos, Manny Barreda, Caleb Cotham
Minor league hitters: C Tyson Blaser, 2B Jose Pirela, SS Carmen Angelini, UT Ali Castillo, LF Ben Gamel

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111 Responses to “Wednesday morning notes: “He realizes how good he can be””

  1. Hassey March 19th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Top to bottom, we are the best team in the American League, especially if Detroit is forced to trade a cog for a new SS

  2. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    as I said yesterday I think Ellsbury is in legit danger of missing opening day…..hope not but basically he has a calf strain even though they won’t call it that and those things take awhile to heal even for normal not made of glass players.

    Nova’s success is all about the bottom half of the strike zone….when he pitches there his sinker sinks and he is good…..when he is up it flattens out and guys kill it.

  3. Cashmoney March 19th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    I can just see Roughned Cologne line ad on a big &*& billboard in Time Sq. ‘Remember Gentleman… be Roughned but not rough… the scent of summer’ …. fade away action on Odor rolling in the sand with Mrs Mets.

  4. Hassey March 19th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    With McCann at the dish, the Yankees’ pitchers will have most of their success just under the chin…Lord help anyone who pimps a long ball

  5. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    We should certainly try to trade for Roughed Odor…..just the name……but he’s also really good and I don’t think they’ll trade him. They’ll trade Andrus when he’s ready and move Profar to SS

  6. Cashmoney March 19th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuPPxaVc-bs

    Blake, basically this Ad, except we will replace the actors with Roughned and Mrs. Mets.

  7. mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Odor made 25 errors at 2B in minors last year.

  8. Cashmoney March 19th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    We might have to push that Cologne at Old Navy rather than Bloomingdale at starting phase then.

  9. mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    What is Tanaka always tweeting about?

  10. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    “Odor made 25 errors at 2B in minors last year.”

    Jeter made 56 one year in the minors……doesn’t matter than much. They are still developing.

  11. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    IMO Nova will always be somewhat inconsistent w 4-seam his FB.

    It is a product of his delivery.

    For him to be consistent I’d say to use his 4-seamer more sparingly.

    Rely more on his sinker/curve combo which he commands better.

    They are both excellent pitches for him

    If he is smart about the way he uses his arsenal he has the potential to be one of the top guys on the staff.

    If he starts to fall in love w the 4-seamer too much he’s headed for trouble IMO.

  12. 4TrainNorth March 19th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    I think Nova’s realizing just how good he can be is exactly his problem.

  13. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    I really want Roughened Odor…..There will never run out of jokes for that name.

  14. mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Nova’s problems are in his head.

  15. 4TrainNorth March 19th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Will McCann give it to Papi after one of the many longballs he is sure to hit (and linger after) vs. us this year?

  16. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Nova’s problems are with his longish delivery and pitch selection.

  17. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Nova has like no deception in his delivery…..guys see the ball really well out of his hand so unless he keeps the ball down it doesn’t matter how hard he throws he gets ripped. I’m not overly concerned…..he should be one of the better middle rotation starters in the league.

  18. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:50 am

    I doubt McCann fears anyone.

    Tough customer.

  19. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    Blake-

    Nova’s ceiling is much higher than mid rotation IMO.

    That is his floor.

  20. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Would I have traded Ivan for the right piece ?

    Yup.

    But he would have had to have been backfilled 1st.

  21. mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    Nobody trades anymore.

  22. Mottsx March 19th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    No one wanted to tell Jeter to move to 3B and now no one wants to tell Jeter he needs to bat 6 or 7th. I hope he one day owns the Yankees because then he finally will rule this team.

  23. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    MTU,
    I was talking about for this season….I agree his ceiling might be higher than that but he really is going to have to improve his command to get there….the stuff is good enough….the command isn’t there yet. Nova can be really good but he can also be really bad…..is he gonna break out and become more consistent or is he going to continue to be consistently inconsistent? We shall see.

  24. Doreen March 19th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    I would not object if someone finally reacted to Papi’s styling ways after hitting a HR, or his childish ways when there is a called strike against him.

    I am 100% ready for Ellsbury to start the season on the DL.

  25. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Blake-

    I agree if you believe he only shows the floor again.

    If that is all he can do, which I hope is not the case, then the Yankees should have taken
    a different approach w him IMO.

    His value is quite high right now.

  26. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    “No one wanted to tell Jeter to move to 3B and now no one wants to tell Jeter he needs to bat 6 or 7th. I hope he one day owns the Yankees because then he finally will rule this team.”

    It’s a good think Jeter didn’t move to 3B all those years ago…..cause then they would have needed a SS like 5 years ago or sooner. Jeter has continued to play SS primarily because they had nobody better…..

  27. mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Papi is too comfortable at the plate and should be tested.
    Afraid the days of intimidation are over.

  28. blake March 19th, 2014 at 10:57 am

    MTU,
    his floor is worse than a mid rotation starter….we’ve seen bad Nova and it’s not good. I’m hoping that’s a thing of the past though……I’m not really concerned about his ST results…..he’s looked pretty good to me when I’ve seen him

  29. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Doreen-

    The person to deal with Ortiz’s antics at the plate is the home plate Ump.

    ;)

  30. mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Ortiz is the intimidator and gets away with it.

  31. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 10:59 am

    Blake-

    I doubt very much his floor is that low at this point.

    This season he must emerge one way or the other.

    Yankees taking a bit of a gamble w him.

    I hope things turn the correct way.

    I think they can.

  32. blake March 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    “I am 100% ready for Ellsbury to start the season on the DL”

    now leading off and playing CF for the Yankees. http://www.imdb.com/media/rm12....._all_sf_4#

  33. mick March 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Pedro would have sat Ortiz on his ass.
    Or at least broke his wrist..

  34. David in Cal March 19th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Jeter has continued to play SS primarily because they had nobody better…..

    I agree, but the converse is also true. They had nobody better because they didn’t dare to move Jeter.

  35. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    mick-

    Ortiz is subject to the Ump’s instruction same as anyone else.

    If the want to control him more they can.

    Umpires do not like to be shown up. At least some of them.

  36. mick March 19th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    Nova is mercurial.
    He can start slowly and lower his value then go on a mid year hot streak and they would never trade him.
    His value is high right now and would deal him for the right package.

  37. blake March 19th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    “I agree, but the converse is also true. They had nobody better because they didn’t dare to move Jeter.”

    who could they have gotten in the last 5 years though? Reyes maybe? that’s about it…..they could have signed Drew this winter and moved him to 3B but I’m guessing in his final season they are just going with it

  38. mick March 19th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    mtu

    i’m not talking about his showboating.
    he’s just too comfortable up there.

  39. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    I’ve seen plenty of umps toss guys for whining or being smart as*es over the years.

    Some have shorter fuses than others.

  40. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Gotcha mick.

  41. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Time to walk the mopheads.

    Back later.

  42. mick March 19th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    players today protect each other, it’s the politically correct thing to do.
    besides there is a lot of money at stake.
    there never was this fraternity in the past.
    it was win at any cost.

  43. 4TrainNorth March 19th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Whatever happens, this team needs to find the old “chip on the shoulder,” or something similar. Enough with this clean-cut, corporate-type baseball. If this team is going to remain “all business,” as we always hear, then it oughtta change its business model to something with a little more balls.

  44. CountryClub March 19th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    It is extremely difficult to find a good two way SS. The Sox have been looking for one for a decade. If my choice was an all D ss with no bat or a defensively limited SS with a great bat (for a SS), I’ll take the bat (Jeter) 7 days a week.

  45. CountryClub March 19th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    speaking of shortstops:

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 12m
    #Tigers may prefer “internal options” at SS, but several scouts say they’ve been asked if their teams have any SS available.

  46. CountryClub March 19th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 2m
    Very little out there, as #Mets could attest. Pete Kozma? RT @PhilCokesBrain: @jaysonst Care to speculate on guys that might be available?

  47. Mottsx March 19th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Jeter may or may not be able to still play SS now in 2014 but I’m pretty sure he’s going to hit into a record amount of double plays. The theory that Ellsbury on first is going to create a hole for him to hit through sounds great but he isn’t exactly flying down to first anymore.

  48. comet March 19th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    Good morning MTU! How is life out your way? Has spring sprung? We are still battling winter here but spring is pushing, trying to poke through.

    This will be an interesting season. So many question marks and so much potential. I think Nova can be a No. 1 starter.

  49. Shame Spencer March 19th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    I am 100% ready for Ellsbury to start the season on the DL.

    ——————

    Is this real life…?

  50. 4TrainNorth March 19th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    I would be happy this year if Nova would just man up and own his losses, instead of continuing to focus solely on the positives. CC, who has mastered this technique and is sure to have a few losses of his own this year, should be a good mentor in this area. If Nova can humble himself thusly, I truly believe he can put together 4 or 5 solid seasons.

  51. blake March 19th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    The good news is Ellsbury still has 2 weeks which is about how long it takes a normal player to heal for a slight half strain……the bad news is this is Ellsbury and his boo boos last forever

  52. Doreen March 19th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    MTU -

    And they don’t, the umpires, deal with Ortiz’ antics.

    They guy trashed a dugout phone, and got zippo.

  53. bbb51 March 19th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    mick March 19th, 2014 at 10:41 am
    Odor made 25 errors at 2B in minors last year.

    So you’re saying he stinks?

  54. pkyankfan69 March 19th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    The I don’t want to encourage that stupid troll but Idiocracy (the movie his ID is probably referring to) is a pretty great movie

  55. bigdan22 March 19th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    If the Yanks’ medical staff thought that there was even the slightest chance that Ellsbury could miss opening day he would not be engaged in any baseball activities right now. Since he’s doing everything else but running they consider this to be minor. Will it turn out to be more serious once Ellsbury starts running probably in a couple of days? Who knows?

    I’ve said all along there’s really no good reason to think Tex would re-injure his wrist. He’s probably structurally stronger there now than any other point in his entire life. Just needs to build up strength and flexibility. I’m worried about Tex’s lower body. It’s interesting how few games Johnson has played at 1b. I think the Yanks regard their real 1b back-up to be in AAA. I just don’t think they know who it is yet.

    You can’t really make judgments on ST batting averages. Otherwise Solarte would be an MVP candidate. Jeter, in my opinion, has looked just fine against lefties. I think he’ll hit them this year consistent with his career averages. But he seems over-matched by almost any right-hander. This may be a very tough year for Jeet.

    As Blake has pointed the out, the key for Nova is keeping the ball down. His stuff actually seems to play down for some reason, probably because as Blake has also pointed out, there’s no deception in his delivery. I still think he’ll have a good year.

  56. bbb51 March 19th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Game not on MLB.TV today. :mad:

  57. blake March 19th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    “If the Yanks’ medical staff thought that there was even the slightest chance that Ellsbury could miss opening day he would not be engaged in any baseball activities right now. Since he’s doing everything else but running they consider this to be minor. Will it turn out to be more serious once Ellsbury starts running probably in a couple of days? Who knows?”

    you still hit and stuff with a calf but they aren’t letting him run full speed…..he’s still feeling something. This is almost exactly what Jeter went through with all the the calf injuries…..he worked out but when he ran he felt it……

  58. Russell Munson March 19th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    “If the Yanks’ medical staff thought that there was even the slightest chance that Ellsbury could miss opening day he would not be engaged in any baseball activities right now. ”

    This is the team that let Teixeira rush back last year just to get re-injured in a week while losing the insurance money from the WBC?

  59. blake March 19th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    You better believe the Yankees don’t want their newly signed 153 million dollar injury risk to start the season on the DL…..that’s why they have been downplaying his calf injury….they down want it to become a story.

  60. bbb51 March 19th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Or maybe it is minor and they are just being cautious, like they said.

  61. Shame Spencer March 19th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Does anyone know the rest of the pitching schedule for this week off hand?

  62. Mottsx March 19th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Shame this breaks it down til the 5th game of the year

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....wn-100668/

  63. NYY_Girl_Penny March 19th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    raymagnetic March 19th, 2014 at 8:05 am
    “Makes me kinda sad that he cares more about where he hits instead of what’s best for the team.”

    I’ll just point out once again that Jeter never complained when Girardi flip flopped Him and Damon in 2009.

    Yet this narrative about Jeter just will not die.

    ————————

    Maybe because Jeter said, and I quote, “I don’t care where I hit in the lineup, as long as it’s 1st,2nd,3rd” Yes he did say that.

    By all means, give Jeter a shot at batting 2nd he’s earned that without question. I’m just saying if he is a gidp machine and the team is better with him hitting lower in the order, then bat him lower.. that’s all.

  64. bigdan22 March 19th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Jeter is like the worst reference point possible for evaluating injuries. He tries to play through everything. His calf injury was probably a tear but never let anyone know it. He probably played two months on a broken ankle in 2012.

  65. Mottsx March 19th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    FYI looks like Tanaka is pitching game 3 at home if anyone is looking to go to a $5 game.

  66. bigdan22 March 19th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    And the Yanks didn’t mishandle Tex last year. Tex mishandled Tex. If you choose the non-surgical route then after some rest you have to test it and test it full speed. The problem is with the wrist, the rest route almost never works. Looks like Austin is testing that theory now. And again.

  67. Shame Spencer March 19th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    “If the Yanks’ medical staff thought that there was even the slightest chance that Ellsbury could miss opening day he would not be engaged in any baseball activities right now.”

    I really wanna agree with this… but some of the medical stuff that’s gone on with our players over the last 4-5 years has been puzzling. Hughes and Pineda were clearly having arm problems and were asked to ramp it up.. they let Jeter play with one leg last year.. they had Tex trying to play last year when he was still not 100% and he ended up needing surgery.. these are just the ones that come to mind immediately.

  68. Shame Spencer March 19th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Awesome, thanks Motts.

  69. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Comet-

    Weather here is fantastic. Hope things warm up for you soon.

    Should be an interesting season.

    Doreen-

    They might not but they should.

  70. NYY_Girl_Penny March 19th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Francisco Cervelli is looking so good.. He was playing real well before he got hurt last year too. I think he’s matured into a very solid player and unless we get a piece with equally “proven” potential and value I am keeping him.

    I love watching him play, he is always playing his heart out and excited to be out there. Never seems to dog it.. love the high energy level style of play !

  71. bigdan22 March 19th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    I’m not defending the Yanks’ medical staff, but don’t confuse a shoulder, or wrist, or elbow or the infamous “bone bruise” with a calf or hammy. With the calf or hammy there’s really no diagnosis. You just treat the symptoms that the player tells you about. Surgery is almost never an option so there is really no decision-making going on here. Nothing for the medical staff to screw up. You have to rely totally on what the player tells or doesn’t tell you.

  72. yankeefeminista March 19th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    No regular OR mlb-tv?

    Braves can’t televise a home game? Just radio… Is this just fantasy? :(

  73. Shame Spencer March 19th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    dan – I agree, it is sort of player driven (ie: ‘how does it feel?’).. I have just been on high alert for players being sort of rushed back over the last couple of years. They just haven’t had lot of luck though. And it could just come down to that.

  74. bbb51 March 19th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    Girardi said he’ll wait until Ellsbury says he doesn’t feel anything and then give him another day or two off. It sounds like they are definitely not rushing it.

  75. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    There has been a spate of injuries to young pitchers this Spring.

    Several serious enough to call into question whether they can ever make it back.

    Sad really. It’s why I don’t blame guys for getting all the capital they can while they can.

    A sports life is not like most careers. No guarantees.

    :(

  76. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Blake-

    No need to.

    Rather have the DL time now.

  77. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Empher-

    We shall see.

    McCann is a big boy.

    I think he has what it takes.

    ;)

  78. blake March 19th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Randy,
    what do you make of Pineda so far?

  79. Hans Davenport March 19th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Doreen March 19th, 2014 at 11:25 am
    MTU -

    And they don’t, the umpires, deal with Ortiz’ antics.

    They guy trashed a dugout phone, and got zippo.

    Yup I was there that night and behind the O’s dugout but up high enough to see it going on. This was after being called out on strikes. Every ump could see it, most all of the players and a good number of the fans. Any type of fine or suspension was never even discussed by the league. Still don’t believe it.

  80. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    empher-

    Consider changing your name to ethereality, sublimity,or paramountness when you get tired of that one.

    obliquetude would also work.

    :)

  81. tomingeorgia March 19th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Mister MTU,
    I’ve seen enough of McCann to attest that he is NOT “fake tough”.

  82. Hans Davenport March 19th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Doreen March 19th, 2014 at 11:25 am
    MTU -

    And they don’t, the umpires, deal with Ortiz’ antics.

    They guy trashed a dugout phone, and got zippo.

    You can bet that any pitcher who threw at Ortiz the way Dumpster threw at Alex would be gone. Ortiz would be whining from the 1st pitch.

  83. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Mister Tom-

    I didn’t think he was.

    ;)

  84. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Big Sloppy is not important.

    Only he thinks so.

    ;)

  85. Hans Davenport March 19th, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    yankeefeminista March 19th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
    No regular OR mlb-tv?

    Braves can’t televise a home game? Just radio… Is this just fantasy?

    A lot of teams don’t televise weekday spring training games. Baltimore only shows weekend games. The Nat’s televise quite a few during the week though.

  86. Against All Odds March 19th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    if he wants to fit in as a real yankee he needs to get rid of the tough guy act and be quiet yankee tough.

    ———–

    Posada wasn’t quiet Yankee tough.

  87. Hans Davenport March 19th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    tomingeorgia March 19th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
    Mister MTU,
    I’ve seen enough of McCann to attest that he is NOT “fake tough”.

    Wasn’t MYU, it was Obliquetude I think.

  88. stillstuckey March 19th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Not sure I understand the back-and-forth on Ellsbury. He’s either going to miss a few games or he won’t. His leg is as hurt or not as it is and it’s going to heal or not as it is.

    I get arguing who’s the best SS and who should be batting 2nd and who should be the 5th starter and what Nova and Pineda’s ceilings are and whether Hal is cheap or not and proposing fantasy trades.

    But a dissertation of Ellsbury’s calf?

    i fail to see the point of it.

  89. tomingeorgia March 19th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Hans,
    I knew that, I was just backing MTU.

  90. stillstuckey March 19th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    “ephemeralization”

    Is Montero’s generational bat speed going to eventually get him back on the path to the Hall of Fame?

  91. Hans Davenport March 19th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    tomingeorgia March 19th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
    Hans,
    I knew that, I was just backing MTU.

    Sorry about that. Sometimes, for me anyway, the posts get hard to ascertain who said what.

  92. blake March 19th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    “But a dissertation of Ellsbury’s calf?”

    You have a link to this dissertation or did you stay at the Hyperbole Inn Express last night :)

  93. stillstuckey March 19th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    McCann’s has been rated one of the best pitch framers in the game, worth more runs saved than is widely understood.

    His swing projects to work very well in NYS.

    I hope Brian McCann helps the NY Yankees win some games, maybe some postseason games.

    If he never gets a plaque in center field?

    Don’t care.

  94. Against All Odds March 19th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    As long as he produces I don’t think they mind if he doesn’t go down as a great Yankee.

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 19th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    “Posada wasn’t quiet Yankee tough.”

    At all! Who had a bigger tough guy act than Posada?

    Give me a break.

    :lol:

  96. Hans Davenport March 19th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Pedro would have sat Ortiz on his ass.
    Or at least broke his wrist..

    Probably true. It’s just that I could never get the picture of Pedro wrestling with 70 year old Dom Zimmer out of my mind. After that, Pedro, as any kind of enforcer or tough guy, had lost all credibility with me.

  97. blake March 19th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    McCann is gonna get MVP votes if he stays healthy and will be a favorite amongst Yankee fans

  98. stillstuckey March 19th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    blake, you’re been talking about his leg persistently for days. Like I say, it’s not even a debatable issue, the premise that he’s a slow healer and may miss a few games just gets repeated again and again.

    Whatever is going to happen is going to happen.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 19th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    “As long as he produces I don’t think they mind if he doesn’t go down as a great Yankee.”

    And the arbiter of who goes down as a great Yankee is who? Ephemeralization?

  100. Against All Odds March 19th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 19th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    ————————-

    He was Jeter’s enforcer in the locker room. Or at least that’s what ppl said.

  101. MTU March 19th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Thanks for all the support but Empher and I get along well and respect each other.

    I’d actually call him a friend.

    Got to run.

    See you all later.

  102. bigdan22 March 19th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    I think sports medicine and how sports injuries are treated is a fascinating topic. It’s changed so much in my lifetime. Not just TJS and recoveries but think of the ACL. That used to destroy careers and now it’s like 9 months off.

    The thing that I think is a black hole is the shoulder. I don’t think sports medicine really understands it at all. I think if you did an MRI of every active ML pitcher you’d find significant labrum damage. I just believe some players are more symptomatic than other. Some pitchers feel extreme pain and some not so much. Maybe it has something to do with biomechanics.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the brain plays a role in all of this. Everything in our body runs through the brain. Our nervous system, respiratory system, circulatory system, everything. Yet the brain never gets treated. I think in the next 20 years or so you’ll see more advances in this area. Hell, maybe Dr. Timothy Leary was right after all. :)

  103. charlestonchew March 19th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Even an inconsistent Nova has the potential to do very well this year, much as he dominated last year. The sky is the limit. As for Pineda, he looks great. I think the team appears to have everything breaking their way at this point. No setbacks for Jete or Tex. The pitchers are looking excellent, even if CC’s velo leaves much to be desired. Or rotation matches up well with just south every other in baseball and the bullpen is going to be filld with guys with good stuff, even if we don’t have a clear setup man. That will come.
    .
    The only troubling sign is Ellsbury and his inability to heal normally from the tiniest injuries. That does not bode well for this contract, but we can just cross our fingers for at least 130 games from him this year. Gardner and Soriano look good to go, as do Beltran and McCann. Ultimately, this may be the kind of Yankees team that we have to adjust to rooting for, with all of these high money free agents and fewer homegrown talents, but I can’t remember e last time I was this excited for a season. We do not have to watch Travis Hefner Vernon wells and Lyle overbay compete against actual ML pitching!

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 19th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    “He was Jeter’s enforcer in the locker room. Or at least that’s what ppl said.”

    And he played tough guy out on the field.

  105. blake March 19th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    “blake, you’re been talking about his leg persistently for days. Like I say, it’s not even a debatable issue, the premise that he’s a slow healer and may miss a few games just gets repeated again and again.”

    I never get your point when you do this…..but ok we can wait and see on Jacoby

  106. charlestonchew March 19th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Oh and I forgot to mention the emergence of cervelli. He seems like he’s in excellent shape and is seriously proving himself.

  107. blake March 19th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    The Yankees lost an edge they had when Jorge stopped catching….they signed McCann to try and get some of that edge back both the tangible and intangible one that Jorge provided.

    Posada was never fully appreciated by Yankee fans when he played…..I think many are understanding now how crucial he reallh was

  108. Shame Spencer March 19th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    McCann is the least of my worries, tbh. Fake or real tough, at least he’s a real catcher.

  109. Cashmoney March 19th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    The Yankees lost an edge
    ———-
    It’s all about the idea of getting offensive players in traditionally non offensive positions. That was the Yankees advantages in Po, Jeter, Bernie and Cano along with, money.

  110. Cashmoney March 19th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    so basically, Yankees paid for that advantage in C and CF this winter and lost a big one at 2b, the aggregate gain still outweighed the lost imo, from a pure offensive prospective.

    Now they need to find that advantage at SS and 2b again, easier said than done.

  111. blake March 19th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Cano is hitting .609 this spring and has 2 healthy calves :(

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