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Postgame notes: Ryan might not be ready for Opening Day

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 20, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brendan Ryan

Brendan Ryan now has eight at-bats, two back injuries and 11 days before the season opener. At this point, Opening Day is in jeopardy, and he knows it.

“I’m not trying to think that way because I really do believe it’s going to calm down in a couple of days and maybe I sneak out and get some at-bats on the minor league side or whatever,” Ryan said. “I need to see pitches. I need to see breaking balls and that stuff. I’m not too worried about being in the field. It’s the at-bats that I need.”

Ryan was supposed to play for the first time since March 4, having missed basically two weeks with a sore lower back/oblique. He’s gone through full drills the past few days, but during pregame today he decided to let loose with a hard throw across the diamond. Said he wanted to test himself with a throw like that, and that’s when he felt his upper back pinch.

“It’s been a little bit uncomfortable, but not anything that I wanted to raise flags over,” Ryan said. “It was OK before. I don’t know what happened.”

Ryan said he’s been through something like this before, and he expects it to last only a day or two before everything loosens and he’s ready to play again, but Joe Girardi said he doesn’t expect Ryan to play this weekend, and that doesn’t leave much time.

“He hasn’t played much, that’s the problem,” Girardi said. “He would have to play some next week and it might have to be in some minor-league games just to get him some at-bats. … I think you have to be (worried about Opening Day), just because of where we are right now.”

David Phelps· Strong start by David Phelps, who went six innings and allowed two runs. He was through 5.2 scoreless before Dustin Pedroia’s two-out, two-run double in the sixth. “They put a lot of their regulars out there,” Phelps said. “I like that because I can see how my stuff’s playing against them. Those guys that have seen me before, I can see how my stuff is. It’s also a little easier because we have a scouting report on these guys. But that’s as close to a real game as I’ve had this spring.”

· Minor mechanical change for Phelps, and he said that helped him have his best fastball command of the spring. “There were times I was just a little inconsistent,” he explained. “It was not a big change. Something small. Maybe as far as having my hands over my knee versus having them over my belt. It was something really small that Larry saw during my last start and he said, you know, let’s try something. And it really seemed to work. The ball was coming out really well in my bullpen doing it, so I’m really happy with where we’re at.”

· Phelps was asked about the fifth-starter competition and whether his bullpen experience actually puts him at a disadvantage against Michael Pineda. “I’m not going to try to handicap it,” Phelps said. “I’m happy with the way I’m throwing. Hopefully they are too, and we’ll see what happens. … He’s throwing the ball really well right now, and as a staff, we’re all throwing the ball really well right now. I just want to be a part of it. I think we’ve got a really special group here, and I think we’re capable of doing some special things this year.”

· About that Pedroia double: “It was so close,” Phelps said. “It’s the pitch I want to make. It’s just not the spot I want to throw it. He put a good swing on it. I’ve got to tip my cap to him. … I’m not going to let one at bat dictate my outing there. The way that I threw the ball today, I was really happy with it, and I’m just going to take that momentum and carry it over into whatever my next outing is.”

· No surprise here, but Girardi said he’s leaning a certain direction when it comes to his fifth starter and the open spots in the bullpen, but he’s not ready to make any decisions until he’s had a long conversation with the coaching staff. He also knows when Masahiro Tanaka will make his regular season debut, but that won’t be announced yet either. “We know, we’re just not ready to share it yet because I want to make sure that everything goes according to plan and everyone feels good before we do it,” Girardi said.

Daniel Nava, Dean Anna· No surprise, but Girardi indicated that if Ryan’s not ready to open the season, the Yankees will likely take two from the group of Eduardo Nunez, Dean Anna, Yangervis Solarte and Scott Sizemore. Of that group, all but Sizemore can play shortstop. Nunez and Anna might have the advantage because they’re both on the 40-man. Especially if Ryan’s only going to miss a few days with a back-dated DL stint, probably doesn’t make much sense to add a guy to the 40-man for a short stint.

· Any regret about taking Ryan on the bus ride? (To be fair, Ryan seemed to think the bus had nothing to do with it): “It’s kind of what we’re forced to do,” Girardi said. “I don’t make the schedule. What was bothering him before wasn’t what bothered him tonight. My first thought was that’s what it was, but then he came in and said it’s upper. It’s back spasms and you have to deal with it. It’s uncomfortable, I know that.”

· After today’s negative MRI, Girardi said it’s possible Jacoby Ellsbury could play this weekend. “That’s my hope,” Girardi said. “But if it’s not, we’ll shoot for Tuesday then.” (Monday is a scheduled off day) Girardi said there’s no desire to simply shut Ellsbury down as an extreme precaution. “No, no, no, no, no,” Girardi said. “Because we want to get him out there, because we got to get him ready for the season. For us, as soon as we can get him out there, we’ll get him out there.”

· Box score notes: Ichiro Suzuki had the big hit of the night, a two-run single that made the difference in a 3-2 Yankees win. The other Yankees run came from Francisco Cervelli’s fourth (fourth!) home run of the spring. … Zelous Wheeler seems like an extreme long shot for one of those infield openings, but he did have a double today and he’s hitting .321 this spring. Nunez and Anna also had hits today. Adonis Garcia had another hit and is batting .444, nearly as good as Solarte’s .455. … Chris Leroux and Matt Daley continue to pitch extremely well this spring. Leroux went 1.1 hitless and Daley pitched one hitless innings. Fred Lewis pitched two-thirds scoreless with a strikeout and a hit.

· Final word goes to Phelps, talking about the sixth-inning at-bat when he walked David Ortiz: “It can be the first game of the spring — if it’s Yankees-Red Sox, we want to win. That’s a really big situation right there. You’ve got, like you said, heart of their order up. I’m not just going to lay a fastball in there just because I can command it. That’s kinda — we did it last game with Kubel — I don’t want to walk guys, obviously, but I’m going to make them hit my pitch in that situation.”

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122 Responses to “Postgame notes: Ryan might not be ready for Opening Day”

  1. BoJo March 20th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    I wonder if Ryan would consider seeing an acupuncturist? Might help with the neck issue.

  2. blake March 20th, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    Ryan isn’t going to hit if he gets 1000 ST ABs so I’m not sure what the big concern there is…..if he can play defense then that’s all he’s there for anyway

  3. Ys Guy March 20th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    im loving the vibes coming out of camp. it means nothing really, but the team seems really focused and ready to go. plus the injury and recovery news has been really good, especially compared to last year.

  4. Jerkface March 20th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    plus the injury and recovery news has been really good, especially compared to last year.

    Not having any significant injuries this camp has been really nice.

  5. bigdan22 March 20th, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Nice game tonight:

    –In contrast to his last start, this is what you can see from Phelps when the ump has a large strike zone. In his last start, those borderline pitches were not called and Phelps fell behind and got hurt. Tonight, he got a lot of strike calls. Eight in a row at one point which is pretty crazy. The Sox kept true to form and just didn’t swing and that helped Phelps. Now that he’s held service, it’s Pineda’s turn. Really hard to evaluate Pineda because the just hasn’t faced a ML line up. I’m not sure he would have done all that well tonight. Just how many sliders can you throw in one game or one inning? And Pineda is only getting his outs on that one single pitch. On the other hand, Phelps, Nuno, and Warren are all throwing 4 pitches for strikes and getting outs on all of them. Of the four pitchers (allegedly) in the competition, which one is pitching more like a reliever?

    –Well the price of poker just went up. If somebody wants Cervelli now, they better be prepared to provide a return commensurate with a trade for a young starting ML catcher who can hit. And if they’re not willing, no problem. The Yanks just hold on to him and let him get his time in as McCann’s backup. If his value falls during the season, it won’t fall any lower than the value of a young BUC so there’s no reason to accept that return now. And what is the price of a starting ML catcher who can hit? Your number one or number two prospect plus a useful ML arm, which for the Yanks means a bullpen arm. Don’t like it. Tough. The Yanks have no need to trade Cervelli or anyone now for that matter. They hold all the cards. Nice for a change.

    –So what happened to Lewis’ fastball? This is the second straight appearance I’ve noticed reduced velocity. He was purported to have hit 97 in the AFL. It was that report that originally got me interested. In the first couple appearances this Spring he was regularly 93-94. The last two about 90. Hate to see another Monty.

    –So of course it’s Anna for Ryan. Depth already coming into play.

  6. BoJo March 20th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    What I like so much about this year’s ST is that Cashman is doing a great job assembling a strong 40 man roster. Its a lesson he has learned well…that the season really isn’t about the 25 man roster, it is about the 40+ man resources available during the season.

    The depth of starting pitching and catching, the depth of power arms for the bullpen, the young players at AAA who will be ready this season to help out…the 4 utility players providing infield depth…

    I am getting very excited about this team’s chances to win over 85 games this year!

  7. Hans Davenport March 20th, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    blake March 20th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
    Ryan isn’t going to hit if he gets 1000 ST ABs so I’m not sure what the big concern there is…..if he can play defense then that’s all he’s there for anyway

    So if either Anna or Solarte takes his spot it’s possible they could hit. I mean he can’t hit at all. I don’t see any big concern either. How are either of those 2 at D?

  8. tucker March 20th, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    The DBacks are looking for a starting pitcher right now for Didi Gregorius. Yanks should offer Phelps.

  9. Jerkface March 20th, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    The DBacks are looking for a starting pitcher right now for Didi Gregorius. Yanks should offer Phelps.

    I don’t want Didi Gregorious, but I mean beggars can’t be choosers I guess.

  10. bbb51 March 20th, 2014 at 11:55 pm

    So if Russia takes Ukraine does that mean we can take Cuba? :twisted:

  11. tucker March 21st, 2014 at 12:00 am

    Didi for Phelps would be a fair trade, IMO. It addresses a need for both clubs. Phelps would do well in the NL West, and Didi is a better option than Nunie or Ryan for 2015.

  12. SweetSpot March 21st, 2014 at 12:26 am

    I like Phelps, he’s a good homegrown, starting pitcher that’s only 27 years old, is learning his craft and is improving. Gregorious is young and has significant upside potential and we need a young shortstop. I really like him defensively, but he’s shown some offensive tools as well. It might be a win-win. I wonder how the GM’s would see this deal?

  13. bbb51 March 21st, 2014 at 12:28 am

    Supposedly AZ is looking for a “big return” for Didi. I bet they would want more than Phelps. I don’t think Didi warrants a big return.

  14. pete2 March 21st, 2014 at 12:40 am

    Completely opposed to trading any pitcher who could help in 2014. You never have enough pitching, injuries are just so common with them. If the Yankees need an IF’er bad enough, they can open their wallet and pay a free agent.

  15. SweetSpot March 21st, 2014 at 12:43 am

    Phelps is 6-2 against the AL East with a 4.37. He’s had a few rough games against Baltimore and if you take them out of the equation he has a 3.28 against Boston, Tampa and Toronto and a 3.10 against Boston and Tampa Bay. I think he would project to a 3.30 – 3.50 in the AL West.

  16. Hankflorida March 21st, 2014 at 1:02 am

    That is possible. I know a lot of people say they hope Ellsbury can return to that form and they say it depends on his shoulder that was injured 2012. I hope he can do it too. I just see that season as being his exception to the norm. I know I was surprised when it happened and I did not discount the possibility of his performance being chemically enhanced. I mean he was on the Red Sox, correct?

    Hans, is it the heathy left shoulder or was it steroids that made Ellsbury’s 2011 season and that is the question? Either way, Ellsbury may never attain those Rickey Henderson numbers in his injury prone career. If Gardner and Ellsbury are the future, the Yankees must get their power from other positions meaning SS, 2nd or 3rd. if Cashman who said he loves homers will continue to add more table setters at these positions to go with his banjo hitters in the outfield then we know he was not serious when he said he loves a team that lives with the three run homer. Pitching, speed and defense fits better under the cap then The Bronx Bombers.

  17. pete2 March 21st, 2014 at 1:29 am

    It was actually the right shoulder of Ellsbury I believe, which is the shoulder that provides the power from the left side . I believe 2011 came about because of better conditioning. He spent most of the offseason after his disaster season in 2010 due to broken ribs at Arizona Performance Institute, a place the Red Sox have sent many of their players like Pedroia and Youkilis and had them transformed into players with HR power.

    2013 he was clearly held back by his shoulder which he injured in 2012, but was also in great shape.

    Maybe the shoulder is better but he looks a bit soft to me although that could be the different uniform. The calf injury which is a first for him may be a sign of a conditioning issue.

    The good news is the calf injury seems to be a minor thing, I guess we have to wait and see how the season goes

    I think Cash took Ellsbury as he was in 2013, with a hope of some upside. I am sure Boras told Cashman the shoulder was going to get better and Ellsburys power numbers would recover. Not that Cashman would rely entirely on what Boras said.

  18. bardos March 21st, 2014 at 3:43 am

    I predict another season of one run games.

  19. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:12 am

    If I’m Masterson I’m saying screw you Indians

  20. Mottsx March 21st, 2014 at 7:25 am

    He should take the QO every year as it keeps going up to spite them and their budget.

  21. Ys Guy March 21st, 2014 at 7:26 am

    ” And what is the price of a starting ML catcher who can hit? Your number one or number two prospect plus a useful ML arm”
    ========================================
    you’re dreaming. you ask for some teams #1 prospect for cervelli and all you hear is click (so you can’t hear them laughing at you)

  22. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:30 am

    Mottsx says:
    March 21, 2014 at 7:25 am
    He should take the QO every year as it keeps going up to spite them and their budget.

    Well the offer he made was for 17 a year…..but if he stays healthy this year he’s looking at maybe close to double what he was offering the Indians in free agency.

    When your best pitcher offers you a 3 year deal and you say no…..you look cheap

  23. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:33 am

    I get the hesitation in trading Phelps for Didi…..but I probably would. Didi isn’t perfect but he’s better than what they have and he does has some upside left.

    Id rather sign Drew to a 2 year deal and keep Phelps but it is what it is…..I don’t like dealing pitching depth either but they are gonna need infielders either sooner or later and I’m not sure where they are getting them

  24. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:37 am

    Big Papi is hitting .063 this spring…..run outta gummies?

  25. Ys Guy March 21st, 2014 at 7:39 am

    Heyman piling on arod with the ‘deadbeat’ story and another mention in the first paragraph about him narking out braun and cervelli.

    how much does boras pay him?

  26. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:42 am

    Again I wouldn’t want to pay them either if I were Arod

  27. Shame Spencer March 21st, 2014 at 7:45 am

    I’d probably strongly consider Phelps for Didi but tbh, as good as he’s looked, I’d rather move Cervelli for him instead if that was an option.

  28. austinmac March 21st, 2014 at 7:48 am

    I am amazed the Indians essentially blew off Masterson. They offered him two years for $28M. If I were him, the talks would be over.

  29. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:48 am

    “I’d probably strongly consider Phelps for Didi but tbh, as good as he’s looked, I’d rather move Cervelli for him instead if that was an option”

    yea….honestly I think they’d ask for Phelps and Cervelli. I would rather trade from the catching depth though yes…..simply because they have McCann and because you never have enough pitching. Phelps is probably the 6th starter right now…..but he could become the 5th or even 4th starter really quickly if there are injuries.

  30. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:50 am

    “I am amazed the Indians essentially blew off Masterson. They offered him two years for $28M. If I were him, the talks would be over.”

    yup…..I like Bailey better but they are at least comparable and Masterson just offered them like a 50% discount off of what he got and they said no. If I’m him that offer is coming off the table and they can say gbye at the end of the season.

  31. Shame Spencer March 21st, 2014 at 7:54 am

    I’m surprised about Masterson too, it sounded like he was open to a reasonable deal. They could hope the pick attaches to him will hurt his market… It sure helped th Os this off season.

  32. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:55 am

    If any trades are gonna happen….and there has been a lot of smoke this spring with teams having needs….then they should happen pretty soon you’d think so the players have time to get into their new camps and get comfortable before the season starts.

    Gotta think at least one trade happens as much talk as there has been…..

  33. Shame Spencer March 21st, 2014 at 7:55 am

    Phelps AND Cervelli for Didi is insane. But the Dbacks have confused the hell out of me lately.

  34. blake March 21st, 2014 at 7:57 am

    “I’m surprised about Masterson too, it sounded like he was open to a reasonable deal. They could hope the pick attaches to him will hurt his market… It sure helped th Os this off season.”

    It might but they’ll probably lose the player…..they’d get a draft pick but lose their best pitcher. Hard to see that as a net gain. Seems like to me they just don’t want to sign him for whatever reason……maybe they are worried he will get hurt or something….but for a pitcher his caliber you’re not getting a better deal than that these days.

  35. Shame Spencer March 21st, 2014 at 8:01 am

    I’d take him for three years!

  36. blake March 21st, 2014 at 8:01 am

    have to remember that the Dbacks gave up one of the better pitching prospects in baseball to get Didi…..they’d look kinda bad if they turned around and moved him for Cervelli just a year later.

  37. Ys Guy March 21st, 2014 at 8:02 am

    phelps + cervelli for didi is crazy. cervelli, coming off another injury and a drug suspension isn’t bringing in anyone’s #1 or 2 prospect for sure, but he’s not just an add-on. I think phelps is a steep price already for didi, they get nothing else if the yankees even consider it. not cervelli.

  38. Cashmoney March 21st, 2014 at 8:06 am

    I am a big Phelps fan, but I take a gamble on Didi, if they want Cervelli they can have him as well. It might be a trade that works out for both teams. But Cervelli for Didi alone seems like fantasy to me?

  39. blake March 21st, 2014 at 8:12 am

    not to beat a dead horse…..but I’d much prefer signing Drew to a 2 year deal and keeping Phelps than to have to trade him for Didi who may never hit much better than Ryan.

    There is risk in signing Drew…..there is more risk in trading pitching depth for a SS that might not ever hit.

  40. blake March 21st, 2014 at 8:13 am

    spending money has pretty much always served the Yankees better than trying to trade for things they need……

  41. pkyankfan69 March 21st, 2014 at 8:22 am

    I’d give up Phelps+ for Owings if he was available… Don’t want Didi, seems like we already have an older version of Didi for the next few years.

  42. blake March 21st, 2014 at 8:29 am

    Some folks still believe Didi will hit…..or at least hit well for a SS. I haven’t seen him play that much but I’m not wild about his swing. Trading Phelps is a fairly big risk….they do have Nuno and Warren as well but neither of them have near the experience starting in the big leagues that Phelps does. He also could be a big asset in the bullpen if he isn’t in the rotation. I think you trade him if you think you’re getting the answer at SS for the next few years……but you need to really believe that to do it.

  43. Cashmoney March 21st, 2014 at 8:39 am

    one thing i do not understand is the comparison between Brendan Ryan and Didi, just for example, they are not remotely the same type of hitter, Didi got a lot more upsides than Ryan ever will, and Ryan debuted as a 25 year old, Didi is only 23 and had already enjoyed at least a modest offensive season already in no small sample of 400 PA.

  44. blake March 21st, 2014 at 8:44 am

    I think didi has maybe league average upside for a big league SS…..he has plus defensive potential but there isn’t much in his minor league track record to suggest he will ever be a great hitter…..maybe just a decent hitter for a SS. One thing I noticed is that he didn’t steal a single base last year in 103 big league games……

  45. blake March 21st, 2014 at 8:45 am

    we know Drew can play good defense and hit a little when healthy…..and you don’t have to trade anybody for him

  46. Yankee Trader March 21st, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Good morning

    No Didi for me. Not even for either a straight deal for Phelps or Cervelli. If McCann goes down, neither Murphy or Romine have shown they can hit vs major league pitching.
    Phelps is your next in line to start or give you extra innings from the pen, something that will be needed in the first month and a half until the weather warms up and the starters can give you length.

    The bullpen is already an unproven question mark!

  47. ac1 March 21st, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Heyman piling on arod with the ‘deadbeat’ story and another mention in the first paragraph about him narking out braun and cervelli.
    __

    Heyman is a hack.
    Hey buddy, A-Rod is gone.
    You are the ONLY person that still cares to talk about him…

  48. ac1 March 21st, 2014 at 8:51 am

    As for Didi, I saw keep the team as is. I know defense at SS could be an issue, but Anna and Solarte can both play there (seems they can hit and aren’t horrible in the field). Nunez is still here and I don’t think he is as bad as he has looked.

    I’d rather have the extra pitching and all our catchers to back up McCann…

  49. Yankee Trader March 21st, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Now, with Ryan and an unpredictable back injury, I’m back on the Blake Bandwagon.

    Hal- since you already spent ” gobs” of money to field a competitive team, what’s a few million more to help assure a chance to play in October? Any early injury to either Tex or Jeter, and injury prone Roberts, your infield will be Johnson at first, Anna at second, Nunez at short and Sizemore at third.

    Not pretty.

  50. pkyankfan69 March 21st, 2014 at 8:54 am

    I’m not talent evaluator but from what I read Didi is not projected to hit much in the majors… He had a great first 30 games or so last year and was pretty dreadful offensively for the rest of the year (.207/.314/.314/.628 after the ASB, things went downhill fast starting in June)… Might he have more potential at the plate then Ryan? Sure, but it’s likely that he will be an all glove -little to no bat SS – Just like Ryan, who we already have. I wouldn’t give a cost controlled effective ML starter with versatility like Phelps for him.

  51. ac1 March 21st, 2014 at 8:54 am

    YT, you are arguing a worst case scenario.
    Last year, it was Cano and 8 guys, struggling pitching and we won 85 games.
    I don’t think our ‘issues’ are as serious a concern as people want to think.

  52. Yankee Trader March 21st, 2014 at 8:54 am

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    Comparing the likely 25 man rosters of the Yankees and the Red Sox.

  53. Shame Spencer March 21st, 2014 at 8:55 am

    At the risk of being repetitive I dunno why we signed Ryan for 3 years…? Was there that much competition for his services?

  54. ac1 March 21st, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Save the trade bait. Colorado is going to have another crappy year and then they will have to consider trading Tulo for their future.

    Also, Hanley Ramirez could be a free agent.

  55. Cashmoney March 21st, 2014 at 8:55 am

    YT, in dealing with reality, Blake’s Wagon is mired 10 feet of snow and winter is fast approaching… all hope seem to be lost.

  56. Shame Spencer March 21st, 2014 at 8:57 am

    I don’t think our ‘issues’ are as serious a concern as people want to think.

    —————

    In all fairness, we were told the same thing last off seaon.

  57. ac1 March 21st, 2014 at 8:58 am

    In all fairness, we were told the same thing last off seaon.
    __

    And we won 85 games in a worse case scenario.

    We have 9 quality starters now, and we improved our offense. Lost Cano but gained in other places.

    If worst last year was 85, worse this year could be 90.

  58. Yankee Trader March 21st, 2014 at 8:59 am

    ac1-

    I’m actually agreeing with you, from an earlier post. I want to keep Cervelli and Phelps, because they are needed, have no desire to get Gregorius for one or both of them, and feel, because Ryan’s injury could be troublesome through the year, that the Yankees should re-explore getting Drew, so that they don’t have to rely on players like Nunez, Anna, or Sizemore for long stretches of time should any of the infielders go on lengthy DL stints.

  59. Cashmoney March 21st, 2014 at 9:01 am

    speaking of delivery, I finally saw Tijuan Walker’s delivery, I am not surprised he is on the shelf a few times already.

  60. Yankee Trader March 21st, 2014 at 9:03 am

    New Post——>

  61. BoJo March 21st, 2014 at 10:23 am

    I agree that trading Phelps and Cervelli is a bad move. So is signing Blake–I mean Drew— as the Yankees need the depth at P and C to guard against the inevitable downtime of Pineda and McCann. But signing Blake as their in-house dentist is highly recommended… think of the free seats he could get for everyone here!!

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