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Postgame notes: “He does all the things he has to do”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 22, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Masahiro Tanaka

After scouting him for years, studying extensive video this offseason, and now seeing him first hand for more than a month, I’m not sure the Yankees are learning huge amounts of information each time Masahiro Tanaka takes the mound. He’s still a bit of a work in progress in terms of adjusting to major-league hitters, but at this point, the Yankees have a pretty good idea of what he’s all about.

If they learned anything today it was what to expect from Tanaka on a day when he’s just not very good. Not bad, necessarily. Just not real good.

“I felt that it was really obvious that I had good innings, and I had bad innings out there today,” Tanaka said. “The innings that I felt were good, I think I had first strikes a lot. But on the other hand, the innings that I gave up runs, I think it was the other way around.”

Francisco Cervelli, Masahiro TanakaTanaka pitched 5.2 innings. Three of those innings were perfect 1-2-3 frames. The other three included eight base runners and three runs (granted, one of the runners reached on an error, another was thrown out with a caught stealing). Tanaka left the game with a runner on second base, and Fred Lewis left that runner stranded.

“I’ve seen him sharper,” Joe Girardi said. “I thought the first three innings he struggled a little bit with his command. He got it back in the sixth inning. Gave up a couple of runs, but overall I was pleased because I didn’t think he had his great stuff today, but he held them down. … That’s what you want to see, because you’re not going to have your great stuff every time you go out there, and you’ve got to find a way to get it done. And that’s what we he did today. That’s good.”

A leadoff double led to a first-inning run, a near grand slam fell just short of the wall in the third, and Tanaka allowed a two-run double in the sixth. That double came two batters after Tanaka struck out Joe Mauer on a 3-2 cutter (Tanaka thought he had the strikeout looking on a 2-2 slider that just missed).

It wasn’t his best outing, but it wasn’t a bad outing. Against a fairly representative Twins lineup, Tanaka pitched well enough for his first spring training win. His next spring start will be shorter — basically just a tune up before his regular-season debut — so this was, in a lot of ways, his last big test heading into the season. It was basically what the Yankees have come to expect.

“Anytime he got into a little problem, he put a little extra (on the next pitch),” Francisco Cervelli said. “I know now what he’s able to do, and it’s good, man. I think during the season he’s going to be more aggressive because (there will be) 50,000 people, and it’s New York.”

Jose Gil, Yoshinori Tateyama· I spent seven years working with Donnie Collins in Scranton. He’s as good as they come, and he has all of the key information from the minor league complex this afternoon. It’s all in one handy blog post that should be a must-read for the nuts and bolts of some young guys and a long list of big leaguers who pitched at Himes today. Here are a few bullet points, but click on that link, Donnie has all the real details:

1. Hiroki Kuroda went six innings with seven strikeouts in the Triple-A game. He got better as the game went along and retired seven of the last eight batters he faced.

2. Matt Thornton, Shawn Kelley, Preston Claiborne, Dellin Betances, and Cesar Cabral each pitched a perfect inning in the Double-A game. Graham Stoneburner then threw three perfect innings. The spring perfecto slipped away when Robert Coello allowed a triple in the ninth. Coello struggled in big league camp as well. Has an awesome forkball, though. Still intriguing, at least to me.

3. Russ Canzler played again and hit a homer. Jose Pirela also hit one. … Corban Joseph told Donnie that he’s going to play some third base and some right field this season. … Brian Gordon had seven strikeouts in three innings. Wonder if he’s being stretched out to start in Triple-A.

· Jacoby Ellsbury went through all the hitting, fielding and running drills that he was supposed to do today at Steinbrenner Field. “He had a good day,” Girardi said.

· Francisco Cervelli was hit by a pitch and hit by two foul tips. Just another day in his life. Seems like that dude gets banged up every time he plays. Cervelli, of course, said he’s fine. He’s also always smiling (as long as he’s not being sent to Triple-A on the last day of camp; he didn’t smile that day).

· Ten guys have tried to steal on Cervelli this year, and he’s thrown out five of them. Today’s caught stealing was initially ruled a stolen base, but the Yankees got it overturned through replay. Dean Anna made a nice tag on an awkward slide. “Thanks Anna,” Cervelli said. “It was not the throw that I want, but it was out.”

· From the time Girardi asked for a replay to the time the umpires reversed the call was a total of 44 seconds.

Francisco Cervelli, Butch Wynegar· What caused Tanaka to fall behind in some counts? He said it had to do with balance in his mechanics. Asked why he was off balance, Tanaka said he’d rather not going into detail, so there’s that.

· Fred Lewis and Shane Greene are two young guys really making a strong impression this spring. Lewis retired a lefty to strand a base runner in the sixth, and Greene pitched a three-strikeout eighth. I don’t think either one will break camp with the team — too many long relievers for Greene, no 40-man spot for Lewis — but they should be on the call-up radar.

· Box score notes: David Herndon was supposed to pitch yesterday. Instead he pitched a scoreless inning today. … Yoshinori Tateyama allowed his first run of the spring. It was a solo homer. He struck out the other three guys he faced. He’s been really good this spring. Tough arm angle from the right side. … Two hits apiece for Zelous Wheeler and Zoilo Almonte. Wheeler is hitting .344 and Almonte is hitting .406. … Another single by Yangervis Solarte pushed him back ahead of Cervelli for the highest batting average in camp. He’s hitting .471. … Scott Sizemore had a two-run single. He’s played well when he’s played, but limited at-bats and no 40-man spot might make it harder for him to break camp. Dean Anna, who also had another hit today, is on the 40-man and would be my guess as the guy who breaks camp in Brendan Ryan’s spot.

· Final word to Girardi about Tanaka: “Pretty much what I thought he was from watching film on him in October, and studying his tapes, seeing what he’s got. He’s pretty much what I thought he was. He knows how to pitch, and he’s got a strike (zone) split and a swing-and-miss split. And he can add and subtract from his fastball. He can sink it. He knows how to pitch. Holds runners. He does all the things he has to do to be successful.”

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74 Responses to “Postgame notes: “He does all the things he has to do””

  1. bigdan22 March 22nd, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    Re-post:

    Interesting game today:

    –If you missed it, make sure you catch the 8th inning. Because the guy with best stuff for Yanks today wasn’t the starter. It was this guy Shane Greene. I’ve talked about him before. Axisa has actually liked him for quite awhile. 94-96, moving, sinking, running FB today. A strike out slider too. Second time I’ve seen him. Here’s the thing. He’s 25. Been in the system a long time. Turned the corner last year in AA finally showing control. He’s thrown over 150s innings and he’s past the danger years for a young pitcher. He’s very close to being ready. He’ll pitch in AAA this year but it doesn’t look like he’ll need a full year of AAA seasoning. I wonder how many top prospect lists he’s been on?

    –Yellow alert on Tanaka. He throws up in the zone. He came very close to giving up a GS today. Gave up a loud double in the 7th with two men on. Both pitches up. I was happy to see him throw inside today to lefties but if he continues to pitch up at 91/92 it just a matter of time.

    –O Zolio my Zolio. There but for the grace of a locked up outfield go thee. I thought he had some strike out difficulties in the minors but he looks like a pretty good contact, two strike hitter to me.

    –For the second straight day we witnessed again how subpar infield defense frequently makes very little difference, especially when it is accompanied by superior pitching. Yesterday two bad errors by Yankee infielders led to exactly one extra out and two extra pitches for CC. There were perhaps two missed plays today, one an error by Sizemore in the third and the other a non-play on a hard hit ball past Nunez in the 7th. But Tanaka wasn’t as sharp as CC and first almost led to a grand slam–4 runs. But it didn’t. The second may have led to a double with two men in the 7th, perhaps costing the Yanks an out and a run. But even, the extra run didn’t factor into the game’s outcome, once again showing that it is highly unlikely even relatively poor infield defense will have much of an impact on the Yanks’ fortunes this season so long as the pitching remains strong.

    –Who is Zelous Wheeler? All I know is that he’s hitting pretty good. And Girardi keeps mentioning his name with Anna and Solarte and Nunez. He may be part of the new Yankee infield depth of 2014. And so far that depth looks pretty damn good. I have to think though that the rise of Solarte, Anna and now Wheeler isn’t good for Nunie’s job security. A roster spot to utility guy is not the safest place on a ML team with multiple substitutable parts.

  2. bigdan22 March 22nd, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    dan l March 22nd, 2014 at 6:08 pm
    bigdan22…stop using Axisa to add credibility to your posts as he is as dumb as a rock when it comes to recognizing talent.

    Shane Green is a big time sleeper talent who like Nova has a chance to be very very good. Sadly to many fans get enamored with K’s at the minor league level but it’s the pitchers who can keep their ground ball rates up who have velocity as they climb the minor league ladder

    ——-

    I tend to agree with you on Axisa. He constantly undervalues Nuno and recently called Lewis a “soft-tosser.” But I bring him up with Greene because I wanted to make a point that Greene really hasn’t been a total mystery. There were folks who noticed him last year. As you say, he is the classic late bloomer/sleeper like Nova. The Prospect Industry fails on those guys all the time.

  3. dan l March 22nd, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    bigdan22…with regard to Greene he didn’t throw hard in high school because he was hurt and needed TJ surgery…this was not found out until he was going to junior college iirc. Greene was friends with the son of a Yankees official and a very deep sleeper but he threw for him and the Yankees drafted him. Guys like Greene tend to do better the higher up in the minor leagues as the fielding behind them get better and the umpiring is better as well. He can be special…honestly I would take Greene over any of the Red Sox upper level pitchers.

  4. bigdan22 March 22nd, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    Thanks for the info on Greene dan l. One of the reasons I like comment boards is you can often learn stuff from people who know people. The comments on Youtube can be awesome. Folks who knew Jim Croce in HS in PA tell can tell you about the man.

  5. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    I’d much rather see Greene keep working as a SP in the minors vs. being in the MLB pen right now; he’s breaking out b/c, to go along with his big arm, he’s improved his command/BB rates and is throwing @five pitches; I wouldn’t want him to work out of the pen and therefore ignore everything but his FB-slider. I want him to keep using both FB and slider,change. I also read that he is adding in a cutter. Greene has SP written all over him if he keeps up what he was doing in 2nd half at Trenton. Let him and that big arm of his keep progressing.

  6. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    keep using both FBs* should read

  7. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Jordan Bastian ?@MLBastian 8m
    Indians INF David Adams was claimed by the Orioles on outright waivers.

  8. CountryClub March 22nd, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Full report on Greene:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....e-2-97976/

  9. dan l March 22nd, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    Greene is basically a 3 pitch pitcher with tremendous movement…Lewis is a 5 pitch pitcher.

  10. MTU March 22nd, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    The Yankees are not going to have room for all these guys.

    Whether they are good or not.

    Should build their value and trade some of them for other things they need.

    ;)

  11. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Thanks for the RAB scouting report.

    RE: “88-89 mph in high school and college but now works in the 92-94 mph range as a starter with his four-seam fastball.”

    Greene was throwing more sinkers than 4-seamers, and improved in second half by integrating the 4-seamer more. I think that 88-89 that Axisa is referring to above that ticked up is not his 4-seamer but his sinker. And both his FB have very good movement.

  12. MTU March 22nd, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    I have to go.

    See you all around.

  13. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Greene’s throwing a sinker, FB, slider, cutter, and change…

  14. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Hi and bye, MTU. ;)

  15. pete2 March 22nd, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    ” dan l March 22nd, 2014 at 10:52 am

    Blake you’re acting like an idiot with your thinking on Drew…he would not be a better fielder at third over Johnson. Kelly came up as a SS so stop this Drew is better then everyone the Yankees have because he isn’t! Your obsession over him is ridiculous!”
    =============================

    I don’t think so. Easy to say with Jeter healthy, even if he is not hitting and is a GIDP machine. But watching Jeter hit a couple of foul balls off his bad ankle yesterday and running to 1B, he looked a bit like the Jeter we saw last year, and that’s scary.

    Drews main value is as insurance for Jeter if he is injured, and his replacement next year and the year after, on what would expected to be a very tradeable contract if a better option at SS comes up. Its not that complicated. Yankees can’t afford him otherwise he would be signed, that’s the only reason he is not signed. Clear upgrade over Johnson and he allows Johnson to move to his more natural position at 2B and be free to backup Tex. Also, his bat plays well at YS3.

  16. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    blake’s not acting like any kind of an idiot. He’s giving his opinion. Fair enough!

  17. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Corey Brock ?@FollowThePadres 40m
    Bad news for the #Padres; Josh Johnson out for at least a month to five weeks with flexor strain in right forearm.

    Odorizzi won Rays’ 5th starter spot. This season is going to be a lot of fun.

  18. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    yf, my man Aaron Sanchez might be needed…

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Greene was great down the stretch last year in Trenton. Went to one of his starts where he flat out dominated. Another guy who can generate GBs and makes guys whiff.

    Yeah, I very much doubt he’s a guy they’d pick off the 40-man – he could be a big arm in the rotation if he can pick up where he left off in 2013.

    The guys I can’t wait to see are Luis Severino, Giovanny Gallegos, and keeping my fingers crossed that Heredia can finally be healthy. Been waiting on him for a few years now, but he’s still a young guy.

    And if Jo-Ram has a healthy 2014, that would be awesome for the system and future.

  20. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    Alfred, the guy who bought the house next to me to flip it is going to cut down 2 beautiful guardian spruces. Its his prerogative, I understand that, but if there is a way to convince him otherwise I will.

  21. j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    I agree with pete2. Blake is no idiot. He has great posts on here. There are lots of folks who think. Drew is an option.

    I was at game today. tanaka looked pretty good but allowed. lots of hard hit balls, including three caught at the wall. He was a little off but made some Twins starters looked totally fooled by his pitches.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    jmills,

    There’s a guy in New Jersey who calls himself the Tree Whisperer. He intuitively communicates with trees to find the source of their health problems and uses that information to restore them.

    Have you heard of the Findhorne Community? You, of all people, would find that kind of botanical/spiritual symbiosis those folks were able to achieve – miracles, really – quite fascinating.

    I hope the spruces somehow prevail.

  23. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    Hi jmills, yes, I am hoping we will get to see Aaron Sanchez pitch opening week in Trenton vs. Bryan Mitchell. Assuming they are both in AA.

    We lost two 50 year old spruces during in Hurricane Sandy. I heard them break and then crash right near the room I was sitting in. It was traumatic. Luckily, they didn’t crush my house. Good luck.

  24. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Nice to see you around j9d :)

  25. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    I’m willing to risk both spruces coming through my living room ( they’re that close :D )

  26. j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Jmills

    Thanks. Really like your comments…so hems last evening. I’m also a big Sylvia Plath fan. She’d have her number retired for sure!

  27. j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Jems not hems

  28. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    J9d, nobody effs with Sylvia! :D
    ( ask her )

  29. tomingeorgia March 22nd, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    jmills,
    unless it’s zipless.

  30. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 8:10 pm

    j9d, I missed the game because I was at work. I’ll watch the archive to see Tanaka later tonight. I read his command was off. What pitches were getting hit? (…And another Plath fan in our midsts… who knew?)

    jmills, those trees were my dearest friends, planted when I was a little girl. Keep fighting for those trees.

  31. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    tom, hi, I still don’t understand what problem Danica Patrick has with Jacques Villeneuve. Is the guy too fast or something?

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Corey Brock ?@FollowThePadres 40m
    Bad news for the #Padres; Josh Johnson out for at least a month to five weeks with flexor strain in right forearm.
    ///

    That poor guy is just never gonna be healthy again, is he.

  33. dan l March 22nd, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    It is complete idiocy to continue to harp on something that clearly the Yankees are not doing…Drew is just not that good a ballplayer…he and Boras screwed up…no team is giving him 14 million dollars for one or more years.

    I think Anna is just as good if not better then Drew.

  34. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    jacques villeneuve ( goddess bless him ) opened a restaurant in Montreal and called it ” New Town ” – his prerogative. Well, didn’t the separatist French only crowd get all up in arms! Go Jacques! Your dad is smiling! F1 champ, Indy champ that you are!

  35. mick March 22nd, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    jmills, those trees were my dearest friends, planted when I was a little girl.
    ===================
    didn’t think you were 50.

  36. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    I tell ya’, if the separatists in Quebec get going too much, Pierre Trudeau they will have to answer to.

  37. Tar March 22nd, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    I also love trees…..and it seems like I am in good company. Good luck with your spruce tree neighbor issue Jmills.

  38. Jerkface March 22nd, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    I think Anna is just as good if not better then Drew.

    There is zero evidence to this. Drew has put up quality major league seasons, Anna has never had a PA in the majors. I can understand being hesitant to signing drew or not wanting him, but lets not get crazy by suggesting a player that couldn’t break into a D tier NL team is better than a major league short stop.

  39. jmills March 22nd, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Tar, thanks, and everybody else here too. As I said, the guy is decent, he is just hell bent on turning it into a parking lot :(

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    jmills, sick Gladys on him: he’ll go down rather than the trees ;)

  41. j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    YF

    I had third row seats behind the plate that were totally wasted on me because I have not so good depth perception and just don’t see movement on pitches that well. It was clear, though, that Tanaka’s command was off, but not by much at all. The pitches that were hit were ones he left up a bit and flat (up and down I can see). Many of his pitches looked flat to me but others had lots of action.

    The Mauer strikeout was something to see. Tanaka just made him look sort of silly. Was a good time. Every time I go to a game with the Twins, I come away thinking they have the nicest fans around.

  42. pete2 March 22nd, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    I thought Tanaka looked pretty good. Lucky to not give up a grandslam in the 3rd when Willingham took a high FB deep, but only a walk and 3 hits until the 6th.

    Ump might have had a bit of a small zone but hard to tell with the angle. They did not show velocity so sometimes hard to read pitches.

    Not a great lineup by the Twins, but that’s their regular lineup

    In the 6th Kubel hit a ball deep to right that would have been a 3 run HR in YS3 but went for a double and drove in a run.

  43. Jerkface March 22nd, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    The vertical movement on Tanaka’s fastball is going to cause a lot of those ‘near misses’ on HRs. Of course some will find the wind and get out.

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    Question: if it’s true that Boras has that deal for Drew, what’s taking them so long to say yes?

    There was a time that the name Boras was enough to know that a deal would be sealed. Not so much anymore.

    The guys on EEI were saying that IF it’s true that the deal is out there, they are thinking that it would be Detroit. They’re also saying that Detroit would probably want to wait until the regular season started to sign Drew so they wouldn’t lose a draft pick. I thought someone mentioned something about June, but according to the EEI guys, it’s just the start of the regular season that removes the draft pick penalty.

  45. Jerkface March 22nd, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    I thought someone mentioned something about June, but according to the EEI guys, it’s just the start of the regular season that removes the draft pick penalty.

    You lose the draft pick if you sign before the June draft. You lose the ability to offer a qualified offer at the end of the season and thus recoup a draft pick if the player signs after the first day of the season.

    So Drew would want to sign after the first day so he can’t be put in this position again and a team may want to wait until June to not give up the pick at all.

  46. j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    BTW When I was walking out of game they announced it was an all time record crowd for the Twins spring training stadium. The mass of Japanese reporters and photographers likely helped the cause.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    I don’t think so. Japanese reporters and photographers are credentialed, they aren’t purchasing tickets.

  48. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Waiting until June removes the draft pick penalty from signing Drew THIS year.

    Waiting until after opening day to sign Drew does not remove the draft pick penalty from this year, but means he can not be offered a qualifing offer NEXT year, so no draft pick will be attached to him NEXT year.

    They are two different things.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Thanks jerkface. You have to wonder about this offer, whether or not it’s fictitious.

  50. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    Sorry. Looks like Jerkface beat me to it.

  51. j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    JAP that was a tongue in cheek remark. The crowd was huge and spirited. Lots of Yankees fans but mostly twins fans who were cool and not jerks at all.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Thank you sammie. Maybe that’s what the EEI guys meant.

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    How do they determine what round pick is lost, if a team does pick up a player before June?

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock March 22nd, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    j9d March 22nd, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    JAP that was a tongue in cheek remark. The crowd was huge and spirited. Lots of Yankees fans but mostly twins fans who were cool and not jerks at all.
    ///

    I’m sure the actual crowd draw included some Japanese. Tanaka will be fun to watch this year. Nice that you got to see him live.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Forget before June. Say a team signed Drew in January. How would they determine what round pick the team would lose, or is it always the same round.

  56. yankeefeminista March 22nd, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    j9d, thanks for your take on Tanaka. Must have been fun; I am aching to watch live baseball. 10 more days… I’m about to watch the Tanaka game video.

  57. Pat M. March 22nd, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Some will find the wind and go out ????

  58. blake March 22nd, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    “Blake you’re acting like an idiot with your thinking on Drew…he would not be a better fielder at third over Johnson. Kelly came up as a SS so stop this Drew is better then everyone the Yankees have because he isn’t! Your obsession over him is ridiculous!”

    Kelly has never played a single big league inning at SS because he’s not a good enough defender to play there…..he’s been a 2b or outfielder pretty much his whole career. Drew is a well above average SS now.

    If you’re going to name call then please at least have a clue what you’re talking about

  59. blake March 22nd, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue says:
    March 22, 2014 at 8:52 pm
    Forget before June. Say a team signed Drew in January. How would they determine what round pick the team would lose, or is it always the same round.

    It’s a first round pick unless the team signing him has a protected pick (top 10 picks) or unless the team signing him has already lost their first round pick signing someone else…..then it’s a 2nd rounder. For the yanks I think signing him would mean giving up a pick somewhere in the 60 or 70 range

  60. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    The top 10 picks in the draft are “protected”. So if one of those teams (the ten lowest finishing teams last year) signs a FA who turned down a QO they do not lose their 1st round pick, they lose their 2nd round pick instead. (Example: Mariners lost 2nd round pick for signing Cano). If any of the other 20 teams sign a player who turned down a QO they lose their 1st round pick. (Example: Yankees signing McCann)

    But it gets tricky. Teams who lose one of their own FA’s who they have made a QO to, gain a “sandwich” round pick, between the 1st & 2nd round. So the Yankees gained two “sandwich” round picks when Cano & Granderson signed elsewhere. But you can lose these “sandwich” round picks, just like you lose your first round pick, if you sign more than one FA who hs a QO attached to him.

    Here is the best example I can think of:
    Yankees gained sandwich pick for losing Cano.
    Yankees gained another sandwich pick for losing Granderson.
    Yankees lost their 1st round pick for signing McCann.
    Yankees lost their first sandwich pick (the one they got for Cano) for signing Ellsbury.
    Yankees lost their other sandwich pick (the one they got for Granderson) for signing Beltran.
    Now if we were to go and sign Drew (before June) we would lose our 2nd round pick because it is the highest we have left.

    I hope this all makes some sense.

  61. blake March 22nd, 2014 at 9:17 pm

    Yes…..which is why I think it’s a little silly to worry about your second rounder when you’ve already lost your 3 highest picks…..especially the #18 overall pick which was the highest they’ve has in years.

    If the Yanks wanted draft picks they could have signed Cano, Granderson, Tanaka, and Peralta and kept all their picks

  62. pete2 March 22nd, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    “Question: if it’s true that Boras has that deal for Drew, what’s taking them so long to say yes?”

    Boras denied it essentially by saying an unnamed GM as a source is nothing but a dart.

  63. sammiejohnson March 22nd, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    I agree. I would not worry a bit about losing a 2nd rounder for signing a FA. I was just using it as an example of how the system works.

  64. Jerkface March 22nd, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    Some will find the wind and go out ????

    Of course, it’d be foolish to expect him to give up no HRs, but the thing is that his fastball has such high vertical movement that it suppresses HRs on flyballs. Jered Weaver is another example of that. He consistently is below the league average of HRs per flyball. Guys will get under it and ‘just miss it’ and lead to pop flys. SOme of them will be deep of course.

    He will also give up some monster shots as pitchers tend to do. Will probably have some bad games as well. But my point is that you’re probably going to be saying ‘he just missed it’ on a lot of these flyballs but there is a baseball physics reason behind guys ‘just missing it’, and its due to the above average spin on his fastball.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 22nd, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    blake and sammie – thanks, I think!

    It sure is complicated.

  66. pete2 March 22nd, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    “Jerkface March 22nd, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    “Of course, it’d be foolish to expect him to give up no HRs, but the thing is that his fastball has such high vertical movement that it suppresses HRs on flyballs”
    =========================

    I have always understood that to be a myth. Four seam Fastballs don’t actually rise but simply sink less than sinkers do. At least that’s what I read somewhere.

    Jered Weaver pitches in a park that suppresses HR. Tanaka pitching in YS3 as a RHP’ers so will face a lot of LHB’ers, and there are some smallish parks in the AL East, so HR’s may be a bit more of an issue for him than they were for him in Japan or for Weaver in LA.

    Not saying he can’t overcome that by keeping men off the bases. To do that he has to continue to avoid walks and get some help from his IF defense on GB’s.

  67. Pat M. March 22nd, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Mumbo Jumbo Jerkface…Yeah there’s physics to everything in life but if Tanaka keeps trying to slip high fastball past Big League hitters it won’t be an issue of physics it’ll be more of an electrical issue as in getting lite up….

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