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Nova gets his work in at the complex

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 24, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova is pitching for High-A Tampa this morning. He’s facing the Charleston squad and just pitched a 1-2-3 first inning that ended with a swinging strikeout against Miguel Andujar. I’ll try to update this post occasionally during Nova’s outing.

UPDATE, 11:17 a.m.: Nova allowed a leadoff single in the second, but his shortstop, Cito Culver, turned a double play and Nova got another swinging strikeout to end the inning.

UPDATE, 11:31 a.m.: I’ll say this, if the Yankees want Nova to have a really good year, they could always send him to the South Atlantic League. Just struck out the side in the third. Has six strikeouts through three.

UPDATE, 11:47 a.m.: Nova gets around a couple of singles in the fourth inning, thought one of them was 100 percent the product of an inexperienced first baseman. Basically got four outs that inning. Also, Cito Culver can play some shortstop. Made a nice play to end the inning.

UPDATE, 12:02 p.m.: Infield single off Nova, but that’s wiped out by Cervelli throwing the guy out trying to steal. Another scoreless inning in the fifth.

UPDATE, 12:15 p.m.: Two more strikeouts for Nova in the sixth. It really is kind of amazing just how overmatched these you guys look against Nova’s breaking ball. You expect it, but seeing it is something different.

UPDATE, 12:35 p.m.: Two strikeouts and a walk for Nova in the seventh. Have to assume he’s finished now.

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151 Responses to “Nova gets his work in at the complex”

  1. sigiqaped March 24th, 2014 at 11:07 am

    “robertson had a lower whip than mo last year.”

    Mo was 58 years old last season and less than stellar.

  2. Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    I am not all that convince that Drob will be a greater closer, fortunately season will begin in a week.

  3. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    - Sig -
    Agree. It’s like comparing any player to a Super Star their last season. Totally Bogus use of stats, which is common around here.

  4. Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    *great

  5. Ys Guy March 24th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    i expect robertson to finish among the top closers in the AL this year.

  6. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    repost for chocolate lovers:

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:08 am
    BREAKING NEWS: Salazon Chocolate is on sale at Whole Foods @$3.50 a bar. Great price. I recommend the Dark Chocolate with Sea Salt and a touch of Organic Caramel.
    ____
    Wrigley Field question: What are seats in 400 level behind plate the equivalent to at NYS (or OYS)?

  7. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Ys Guy, I do as well. Btw, I was in South Orange yesterday; is that where you restaurant is located?

  8. Ys Guy March 24th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    mo finished third in the AL in saves last year.

    i guess if drob does the same there will be a bunch of whining on here.

  9. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Chad, much appreciated; you are awesome. Also if you are paying attention, how did Andujar’s AB look? Do you have lineups? Thanks!

  10. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    *your restaurant, should read…

  11. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    I agree with the Walks and Robertson. The guy can does a pretty good Stanhouse.

  12. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Donnie Collins@RailRidersTT 21m
    AAA/AA scrimmage. Bruce Billings for SWB. Bryan Mitchell for Trenton.

    Go, Bryan! Love to see him pick up right where he left off last season in AA. And Pruf, lining up perefectly for that opening day start in Trenton.

  13. Ys Guy March 24th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    yes it is yf! just a few blocks from the downtown area.

  14. solaris March 24th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    @JonHeymanCBS 16m

    scout calls yankees infield range “worst” in baseball. but in last couple days yanks told drew no. http://cbsprt.co/1nTWpBW

  15. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    “The Yankees and Drew’s agent, Scott Boras, are said to have talked in the past couple days, but the main message for now apparently is that the Yankees are “tapped out,” meaning out of money.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/w.....g-for-drew

  16. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 14m
    One scout on reports Drew has 3/$39M offer on table: “If I had his number, I’d call & say, `You’d better take it, son.”

  17. SweetSpot March 24th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    I read that MCab is negotiating an extension with with the Tigers. That’s going to be some contract. If age wasn’t a factor based just on skill, who would you rather have Cabrera or Trout? Best two players in baseball?

  18. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    The lack of range I have seen at 2B concerns me, but SS\3B no big deal. TEX, I haven’t seen enough of to gauge.

  19. Ys Guy March 24th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    so cashman talked to boras within the past few days?

    and

    someone leaked it to the media that “one g.m. says that boras claims to have a 3 year offer on the table”

    hmmm

  20. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Are these reports true that the families of MH370 were notified of the crash via text message…? I mean, I love technology and everything but that’s kinda ….weird.

  21. pat March 24th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    One scout on reports Drew has 3/$39M offer on table

    people who talk a lot usually don’t have names. :sad:

  22. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 11:25 am
    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 14m
    One scout on reports Drew has 3/$39M offer on table: “If I had his number, I’d call & say, `You’d better take it, son.”

    ————–

    I think Drew might really be waiting for the season to start like some have speculated… that being said, if he really has a guaranteed 3 years on the table that might not be as big of an issue because he won’t be worried about the QO/associated pick for a while.

  23. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    If Drew has that offer on the table it must be from a team he really has no interest in playing for.

  24. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 11:33 am

    DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:28 am
    The lack of range I have seen at 2B concerns me, but SS\3B no big deal. TEX, I haven’t seen enough of to gauge.

    —————

    Tex looks fine.. but I’m more concerned about 3B than you are. People were complaining about Alex’s loss of range over the years… he’s a much more solid defensive player than what we currently have on the roster.

  25. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Ys Guy, I thought I recalled your saying so way back when. Name or type of food, if you don’t mind my asking? I recall some of the dishes you mentioned (breakfast?) sounded very interesting.

  26. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Yankees willing to eat money in Ichiro deal: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/w.....akes-sense

  27. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Steven Drew proving to be a tough negotiator, just like his big brother.

  28. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    @VanityFair
    The @GameofThrones TV-show creators already know what happens at the end of the book series http://vnty.fr/1i2RqZW

    —————

    And f*ck them, amirite?

  29. Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    I think Blake made that offer then Citibank called from India…

  30. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    “@JonHeymanCBS 16m

    scout calls yankees infield range “worst” in baseball. but in last couple days yanks told drew no. http://cbsprt.co/1nTWpBW

    Please tell us something that we don’t already know…

  31. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 14m
    One scout on reports Drew has 3/$39M offer on table: “If I had his number, I’d call & say, `You’d better take it, son.”
    ————-

    Wow, wonder who it is. The O’s?

  32. Ys Guy March 24th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    i found a “jesus hates the yankeees” t-shirt at the thift store the other day for 50 cents!

  33. Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Shame, I talked about that with a friend yesterday… my reply was, no big deal I will watch the series, then when Martin is on his deathbed in 2040, I will finally read the conclusion in print.

  34. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    LOL, sorry to be repetitive, but Ichi deal = bad bad business; why why why? We really need to allocate funds more wisely if we are going to be budget conscious…

  35. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    - SHAME -

    I watched Ron Cey for years in So Cal, and that guy was a Cigar Store Indian. Didn’t see to hurt that team.

  36. bbb51 March 24th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    If you missed it, Biertempfel broke news Sunday about the Pirates making Starling Marte a multiyear offer. Marte, to his infinite credit, rejected it.

    Can’t help but wonder: Would the Pirates ever make Gerrit Cole such an offer? Or would they presume that Scott Boras, unlike Jose Tabata’s agent, isn’t brain-dead? Or will only the Latin American players be approached in such a manner, in hopes that they’re all stupid enough to forfeit arbitration and free-agency years before they’re even remotely established?”

    Is there no limit to the extent that people will dig to try to find something to claim racism? Ridiculous.

  37. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    Yankeefem –

    You have to remember that Jon Heyman has long been the media wing of Boras Associates. I’m sure that Boras is trying to drum up more interest in his client by having Heyman throw some stuff out there.

  38. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Currently listening to Gordon Lightfoot’s, “If You Could Read My Mind.” Easily 1 of my 10 Favorite Songs of All Time.

  39. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    squat, do you think Dejan Kovacevic has an agenda? And why would he? Dude sounds like he’s a Slovak not a Hispanic…

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:04 am

    “on the other, like who didn’t get that this unique arm, which dominates for five or six innings, would mystify for one or two?”

    Yeah, Dellin was always going to succeed in the pen. (knock on wood) Have to laugh at the heightened fear of the BB rates even after Betances converted two years ago down the stretch at AAA and in AFL in game situations once he didn’t have to repeat so often and had simplified and was pitching from the stretch. Stuff converts, why wouldn’t it? Always thought the comparisons to Brackman were hilarious because they are such different pitchers, but whatever. Let’s keep it going now. Love the arms we have. Makes the season fun even if we have no position players under 30. That will have to change at some point.
    ///

    Betances, before 2012, always had that rocky inning where he’d lose it. But he had the ability to correct himself, and often, the runners he put on never moved.

    When the player laments that he thought he had “found something as a starter,” especially one who is politically correct to a fault – several things combine to produce a response that what could have been an inspired temporary move becomes a very dubious permanent one: a history of seeing the pitcher’s starts and how good he really could be as a starter, the weirdness of the 2012 vagabond show and complaints about the mound and significantly, the outlier flyball and LD rates of that wayward season, the GM’s reluctant capitulation because of service clock issues (which was sincere; I’ve heard Cashman brag about Betances in Trenton to the scouts sitting there – he had a personal investment in him working out as a starter and the “pop him!” story also underscores this), the players OWN wistfulness of feeling another crack at starting, after the retooling, was an opportunity that went untested, and finally, his obvious adjustments in the smaller stints actually warranting that longer stints be attempted to see if in fact, Betances’ instincts that he may have “figured something out” could be on target!

  41. hardwired7 March 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Have Gardner and Ellsbury as a 2-man OF, bring in an extra infielder – problem solved.

  42. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Chip, could be… but Heyman’s agenda’d evaluation of the infield doesn’t mean it ain’t so. Kind of funny on a team that values defensive run saving…

  43. Ys Guy March 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    if you read heyman’s article about why the tigers should sign drew column, it read like it was written by boras.

  44. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    LOL, sorry to be repetitive, but Ichi deal = bad bad business; why why why? We really need to allocate funds more wisely if we are going to be budget conscious…
    ————————–

    From a business standpoint signing Ichiro was great in theory. The notion being that the Yankees would reap huge financial returns as he went after 3,000 hits.

  45. bbb51 March 24th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    sigiqaped March 24th, 2014 at 10:36 am
    Robertson gets into too many jams and walks too many batters.

    2.8 bb/9 1.17 whip 2012
    2.4 bb/9 1.04 whip 2013

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Donnie Collins@RailRidersTT 21m
    AAA/AA scrimmage. Bruce Billings for SWB. Bryan Mitchell for Trenton.

    Go, Bryan! Love to see him pick up right where he left off last season in AA. And Pruf, lining up perefectly for that opening day start in Trenton.
    ///

    Hopefully, opposite Aaron Sanchez :)

  47. bbb51 March 24th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:41 am
    squat, do you think Dejan Kovacevic has an agenda? And why would he? Dude sounds like he’s a Slovak not a Hispanic…

    Oh, so if he’s not hispanic he can’t be trying to claim racism? People here do that all the time.

    BTW, two words, Evan Longoria. Spanish last name but part Ukranian, born and raised in USA, one of the most team friendly long term contracts that exists, signed extremely early.

  48. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Yeah, Ichi chasing 3,000 and A-Rod chasing the HR Record. Never learn.

  49. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    “From a business standpoint signing Ichiro was great in theory. The notion being that the Yankees would reap huge financial returns as he went after 3,000 hits.”

    No, because the player has to first be evaluated as being a starter/going to play enough/not hurt the team on the field to assume he is going to reach the milestone, so the business standpoint has to be tied in with evaluation of the player’s value as a starter. You can’t exclude one from the other.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Didn’t read the article, but anti-Latino bias in baseball? Nawwww! ;)

  51. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    JAP –

    Betances was given every chance to succeed as a starter and couldn’t do it. Not for lack of trying or effort, it’s just very difficult for a man as big as he is to keep his mechanics under control for 6 innings.

    He and the Yankees kept trying and the result was always the same, he would hold his mechanics for a couple of innings and then lose them.

    By moving to the pen he’s able to do two things:

    1. Pitch more frequently which will enable him to continually work on the mechanics
    2. Only have to hold them for 1 or 2 inning spurts.

    The difference between Betances and Joba is that Joba was never given the opportunity to fail as a starter before being made into a reliever, Betances has had that chance and it didn’t work for him. This is his path to the majors and, from what I’ve seen, it’s a good one.

  52. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    squat, would that we would get those kind of team friendly contracts that the Rays get. And I don’t think anyone has ever thought Longoria is hispanic. As far as the Pitt journalist is concerned, he likely has a reason to write what he is writing. I am curious about that; you can choose not to be…

  53. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:51 am

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    “From a business standpoint signing Ichiro was great in theory. The notion being that the Yankees would reap huge financial returns as he went after 3,000 hits.”

    No, because the player has to first be evaluated as being a starter/going to play enough/not hurt the team on the field to assume he is going to reach the milestone, so the business standpoint has to be tied in with evaluation of the player’s value as a starter. You can’t exclude one from the other.
    ————————

    And the Yankees made the evaluation that he would be. They thought he was bored playing for a losing team in Seattle and would do a lot better as a Yankee, a theory supported by the fact that, as a Yankee after the trade he hit .322 with a .340 OBP, with 5 HR and 14 SB in 67 games.

    It didn’t work out.

  54. blake March 24th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    “The Yankees and Drew’s agent, Scott Boras, are said to have talked in the past couple days, but the main message for now apparently is that the Yankees are “tapped out,” meaning out of money.”

    When you’re payroll is 25 million less than a year ago this is really dumb

  55. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:35 am
    Yankees willing to eat money in Ichiro deal: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/w…..akes-sense

    ——————

    Ichiro really deserves a little more than we can offer him in what might be his last season in MLB. I hope they find a taker, I don’t really care what return they get.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    As per the point that Tanaka and Pineda would tax the bullpen, I’m reminded of the irony of the Yankees – after running their kangaroo “competition” of 2010 – deciding they couldn’t risk Joba’s inefficiencies and therefore wasted a very good young bat to reel in Javy Vazquez, who often couldn’t get out of the fifth inning.

    “Veteran” arms – especially bubble guys who basically suck – don’t necessarily ensure length. I’d rather go with big-time youth who are building innings and then turn the game over to more live arms with youth on their side.

  57. Mottsx March 24th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Dombrowski seems to have lost his mind. Wonder if yankees could have gotten Lombardozzi for Ichiro. Cashman sleeping on the job again?

  58. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    You see a guy like Chapman get drilled, and offers that make a player an instant Millionaire is really Not a flim-flam.

  59. blake March 24th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    @JackCurryYES: As solid as Phelps has been, he has versatility that Pineda doesn’t. That’s why Pineda was the favorite as long as he was healthy/effective.

  60. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    “Going with big-time youth”, is Not the same as going with a youngster coming out from under the knife on his shoulder.

  61. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Lohud Yankees Blog ?@LoHudYankees 18m
    Nova has six strikeouts through three innings in a Class A intrasquad game. #yankees
    ___
    Chad, mostly curves on the K’s? How’s his sinker look?

    As per Cito, he can really pick em, eh? D impressed me greatly when I saw him in SI and then later in Charleston. I’m hoping we get him in Trenton second half. How do his AB’s look?

  62. blake March 24th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    @LoHudYankees: Francisco Cervelli just crushed a ball off the batters eye in center field. The guy just keeps hitting. #yankees

  63. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Granted that I like Nunez, but I see Lombardozzi as being just a little better than Nunez. The current difference being the time that Nunez lost on the D\L last season.

  64. Doreen March 24th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Something very funny – I had tears coming out of my eyes I laughed so hard!

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-roommate/

  65. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    And the Yankees made the evaluation that he would be. They thought he was bored playing for a losing team in Seattle and would do a lot better as a Yankee, a theory supported by the fact that, as a Yankee after the trade he hit .322 with a .340 OBP, with 5 HR and 14 SB in 67 games.

    It didn’t work out.
    ___
    Well, I understand that they made that evaluation; that is what I am critiquing. I think it wasn’t very wise, and think they need to change up their approach to vets and past their prime icons. Said so at the time; a waste of funds.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    The difference between Betances and Joba is that Joba was never given the opportunity to fail as a starter before being made into a reliever, Betances has had that chance and it didn’t work for him. This is his path to the majors and, from what I’ve seen, it’s a good one.
    ///

    To borrow a Yankeefemism – this has “cognitive closure” all over it; the Yankees made a decision and therefore Betances’ failure is ultimate and final.

    No – the Yankees have decided to make the move permanent. It is a decision, and does not guarantee that the pitcher’s own claim – and my, and YF’s, and luis’s gut response (apologies to anyone else who has expressed dismay on the decision) – that he would/could have “figured it out.”

    Also, having seen him do just that, many many times in person, my opinion has more to go on than just numbers and what the Yankees decided to do. Cashman himself said it was all service-clock determined, and the team’s penchant for ultra-conservatism and short-term payoff is well documented.

    Yeah, they have a right to “get value” out of Betances; but the low reward guarantee does not mean that the high reward “risk” should not have still been in play, especially with the gift of another move.

  67. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    @LoHudYankees: Francisco Cervelli just crushed a ball off the batters eye in center field. The guy just keeps hitting. #yankees

    Who was pitching to him?

  68. bbb51 March 24th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:50 am
    squat, would that we would get those kind of team friendly contracts that the Rays get. And I don’t think anyone has ever thought Longoria is hispanic. As far as the Pitt journalist is concerned, he likely has a reason to write what he is writing. I am curious about that; you can choose not to be…

    Sorry, a latin guy being offered an early buyout doesn’t make me curious. Takes a little more than that.

  69. blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    @DavidWaldstein: Drew would obviously be a good fit for Yankees, but for now they say they have spent their money already…tons of money.

    The Hal trick…..we spent millions but somehow cut payroll by 25 milkion

  70. bbb51 March 24th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Frankie must have found some better roids. ;)

  71. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    As per the point that Tanaka and Pineda would tax the bullpen, I’m reminded of the irony of the Yankees – after running their kangaroo “competition” of 2010 – deciding they couldn’t risk Joba’s inefficiencies and therefore wasted a very good young bat to reel in Javy Vazquez, who often couldn’t get out of the fifth inning.
    —————————

    What very good bat did they waste for Javy? All I remember going to Atlanta was a loogy, a young pitcher who has had arm issues and Melky Cabrera.

  72. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    And the Yankees made the evaluation that he would be. They thought he was bored playing for a losing team in Seattle and would do a lot better as a Yankee, a theory supported by the fact that, as a Yankee after the trade he hit .322 with a .340 OBP, with 5 HR and 14 SB in 67 games.

    It didn’t work out.
    ___
    Well, I understand that they made that evaluation; that is what I am critiquing. I think it wasn’t very wise, and think they need to change up their approach to vets and past their prime icons. Said so at the time; a waste of funds.
    ——————-

    Hey, I would have been happier to see them sign Torii Hunter – but I get what they were thinking. Ichiro had performed well for the team down the stretch and had the ability to be a draw at the gate. The move didn’t work out but it did make sense.

  73. Mottsx March 24th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    They cut their payroll because A-Rod is suspended and they don’t have a 3B. Simple as that. Nunie is going to single scissorhandedly lose 5 games for the Yankees this year.

  74. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Doreen, LOL. Nick is probably exactly like that in real life. Scary thought.

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    “BREAKING NEWS: Salazon Chocolate is on sale at Whole Foods @$3.50 a bar. Great price. I recommend the Dark Chocolate with Sea Salt and a touch of Organic Caramel.”

    Duly noted! Likely to report back before day’s end!

    :)

    A woman and her chocolate…

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    What very good bat did they waste for Javy? All I remember going to Atlanta was a loogy, a young pitcher who has had arm issues and Melky Cabrera.
    ///

    Chip,

    I defer to your marvelous eye for great hitters. What am I thinking?:

    The two-time .300 hitter (should we actually make that “four-time” because he did it from both sides of the plate, in two separate seasons?), who will likely make it three years if he remains healthy in 2014, is actually a fourth OF who is voodoo-ing his results.

    And lest I forget: Jorge Posada and Bernie Williams were complementary players.

  77. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    The difference between Betances and Joba is that Joba was never given the opportunity to fail as a starter before being made into a reliever, Betances has had that chance and it didn’t work for him. This is his path to the majors and, from what I’ve seen, it’s a good one.
    ///

    To borrow a Yankeefemism – this has “cognitive closure” all over it; the Yankees made a decision and therefore Betances’ failure is ultimate and final.

    No – the Yankees have decided to make the move permanent. It is a decision, and does not guarantee that the pitcher’s own claim – and my, and YF’s, and luis’s gut response (apologies to anyone else who has expressed dismay on the decision) – that he would/could have “figured it out.”

    Also, having seen him do just that, many many times in person, my opinion has more to go on than just numbers and what the Yankees decided to do. Cashman himself said it was all service-clock determined, and the team’s penchant for ultra-conservatism and short-term payoff is well documented.

    Yeah, they have a right to “get value” out of Betances; but the low reward guarantee does not mean that the high reward “risk” should not have still been in play, especially with the gift of another move.
    —————————–

    You don’t know what the reward will be.

    It’s possible that as a starter Betances never would have made the majors, or that if he did his career path may have been the same as that of Daniel Cabrera. Cabrera was 6’7″ with a power arm and could never harness it no matter how many times the Orioles (and other organizations) tried. As a result, he was out of baseball by age 28 with a 5.10 career ERA.

    On the other hand, as a reliever, Betances may emerge as a dominant late inning performer for the next 10 years.

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Frankie must have found some better roids. ;)
    ///

    This is why Alex has been so quiet. He’s been working with his chemists to make sure his “buddies” are well supplied in his absence.

  79. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    What very good bat did they waste for Javy? All I remember going to Atlanta was a loogy, a young pitcher who has had arm issues and Melky Cabrera.
    ///

    Chip,

    I defer to your marvelous eye for great hitters. What am I thinking?:

    The two-time .300 hitter (should we actually make that “four-time” because he did it from both sides of the plate, in two separate seasons?), who will likely make it three years if he remains healthy in 2014, is actually a fourth OF who is voodoo-ing his results.

    And lest I forget: Jorge Posada and Bernie Williams were complementary players.
    —————–

    Remind me, how did he do last year off steroids?

  80. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    “Hey, I would have been happier to see them sign Torii Hunter – but I get what they were thinking.”

    Chip, don’t agree at all, and what were they thinking? They already had a light-hit OF and the player was past his prime with a .696 OPS in 2012. One year, let alone two was a mistake. We just disagree.

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    “Something very funny – I had tears coming out of my eyes I laughed so hard!

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    I am still laughing!!!!!

  82. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West March 24th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Bobby Abreu is hurt again in Philly. Maybe a good landing spot for ichiro?

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Chip,

    It’s the same old Betances discussion. Sorry, but you have no history of watching him perform, and are simply regurgitating what the Yankees’ decision has been and why, and I’m familiar with their reasons already.

    I don’t agree with YsGuy on this either, but at least he has gone to see him pitch a number of times.

    I disagree with blake on it, too, and although blake hasn’t really had much interest in watching him pitch, either, through the years, he’s based his thoughts on being able to distinguish delivery issues that he’s learned through having pitched and has an advanced eye for pitching, his takes on which are always interesting. I don’t agree at all with blake’s conclusion – but I also understand that he reached it by means other than just what the Yankees ultimately decided to do.

    I understand that you think the Yankees made the right call. Great.

    I do not – and had we a way to advance our disagreement, that would be one thing. At this point, we have a stagnant disagreement.

  84. bbb51 March 24th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Surely someone must be interested in Ichiro…

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Remind me, how did he do last year off steroids?
    ///

    Don’t be lazy, Chip. Read up on his spinal tumor that took his legs out from under him: easily accessible via google.

  86. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Remind me, how did he do last year off steroids?
    ///

    Don’t be lazy, Chip. Read up on his spinal tumor that took his legs out from under him: easily accessible via google.
    ———————–

    Ok, so how did he do for Atlanta after he was traded or the Yankees before that?

    Simply coincidence that following his development into an All-Star he sat 50 games for PED use…no connection there at all.

  87. yankinvegas March 24th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Jon Heyman has always been a mouthpiece for Scott Boras. Plus, like most of the media, he loves to rip the Yankees.
    The Yankees are not tapped out. We just don’t want Drew. He is OK, nothing special. After this season we will get Reyes or Tulo. Jeter will do fine this year. The baseball gods won’t allow anything but.
    What all of these “experts” are missing is just how good our rotation will be. Far better than Boston or Tampa Bay. And we have plenty of young arms for the bullpen, both in NY and Scranton.
    It is going to be a really fun season!,

  88. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Chip,

    It’s the same old Betances discussion. Sorry, but you have no history of watching him perform, and are simply regurgitating what the Yankees’ decision has been and why, and I’m familiar with their reasons already.

    I don’t agree with YsGuy on this either, but at least he has gone to see him pitch a number of times.

    I disagree with blake on it, too, and although blake hasn’t really had much interest in watching him pitch, either, through the years, he’s based his thoughts on being able to distinguish delivery issues that he’s learned through having pitched and has an advanced eye for pitching, his takes on which are always interesting. I don’t agree at all with blake’s conclusion – but I also understand that he reached it by means other than just what the Yankees ultimately decided to do.

    I understand that you think the Yankees made the right call. Great.

    I do not – and had we a way to advance our disagreement, that would be one thing. At this point, we have a stagnant disagreement.
    —————————

    When has having a stagnant disagreement ever stopped anything?

  89. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Right, Melky was created by steroids. Why not just watch the ABs? And going with that philosophy, how did Montero do the last two years while using steroids in Seattle? How about Cervy now? And Alex the past few years on the juice? Let’s create a list of each player we know used and their corresponding results. This is so reductionist as to be irresponsible. You have no way of evaluating the effects of steroids on players.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Chip,

    What kind of a hitter would you say Melky is? How would you describe, for example, what makes him such a non-talent?

    What specifically about Cabrera as a hitter says counterfeit to you, other than a dubious conclusion that steroids can produce .300 plus averages from the right and left side of the plate for two straight seasons?

    Because unless you can really give me some feedback on that, repeating that he got busted for PEDs alone isn’t particularly persuasive.

  91. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    The steroid argument really doesn’t cut it or everyone would be Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, etc. But few are…

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    When has having a stagnant disagreement ever stopped anything?
    ///

    Well, we can’t talk about Betances’ delivery before and after, so that’s out.

    We can’t talk about what pitches have been ditched, so that’s out.

    We can’t talk about the nature of those ditched pitches, so that’s out.

    We can’t talk about the degree that added control has subtracted fastball movement, so that’s out.

    IOW, we really can’t really have much of before and after informed debate, can we?

    You support the Yankees’ decision; you’re in the majority, I would say.

    I, and a few others, don’t agree. What else?

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West March 24th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Bobby Abreu is hurt again in Philly. Maybe a good landing spot for ichiro?
    ///

    Can we sweeten the deal and pull down Makiel Franco? :)

  94. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    MLB Trade Rumors ?@mlbtraderumors 26m
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  95. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    Good news on Tyler Austin playing in a MiLB game tomorrow, as per Chad.

  96. Giuseppe Franco March 24th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    The vast majority of fans and media are so clueless about steroids and what they actually do for athletes (improve strength, energy, and recovery in the weight room) and what they don’t do (improve hand-eye coordination).

  97. blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    Soto goes down for Texas…..they could use a catcher

  98. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    David Waldstein ?@DavidWaldstein 1m
    Girardi just said first three starters will be CC, Kuroda, Nova, which means Masahiro Tanaka will pitch in Toronto.

  99. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Anyone worried about Cervelli’s sudden power surge being a product of PEDs?

  100. blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Wish we could get Odor from Texas…..because he’s good and also because how much fun could with have with that name

  101. blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    March 24, 2014 at 12:48 pm
    Anyone worried about Cervelli’s sudden power surge being a product of PEDs?

    Nah…..and even if it is who cares as long as he doesn’t get caught. It could be Florida wind too…..

  102. Doreen March 24th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Oh,yeah, I think that Swisher video hits very very close to the mark! I do miss Swish. I know he rubbed a few fans the wrong way, but I liked his over-exuberance, because I never felt it was an act, I felt he was genuine.

    A new Whole Foods will be opening that will be a little closer to me than the Princeton site. Should be in a few weeks (April was the tentative finish date). I’ve been making due with the organic foods section in Wegmans (not bad) and Stop N Shop (better than I’d expected, but not enough).

    Anyone here upgrade their Mac OS to Maverick? I keep getting tempted, but am afraid to lose my photographs (and music, most of which was uploaded CDs and not purchased at iTunes) – reviews are mixed. At some point, I’d think it’s going to become necessary, no?

    I’m not so disturbed that most new young players get their opportunity to break into the majors due to injury of a regular. That seems pretty comprehensive most places. On a team like the Yankees, which has been stocked with big-time players at almost every position, the chance to break through was sketchy. The bullpen and starting rotation are the most accessible it seems, and even to some extent, outfielders (Melky and Gardner). But I do understand the frustration when vets on their way down always get the benefit of the doubt here, and hungry rookies on their way up have a way tougher time to get that chance. In all honesty, though, there haven’t been many who were knocking the door down and forcing the issue.

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    GF,

    Not to mention the shadowy territory of who is and isn’t using this stuff, and therefore, who might have leverage, if any, over whom.

    I remember a unnamed GM source who said the game “has a real problem,” which means widespread use, not to mention Conte and other sources making similar statements.

    Remember 60 minutes, when the biogenesis dude said ‘well, Alex knows the pitcher is using, he knows the CF who throws the ball in is using, the guy who makes the tag at third is using…. where’s the (motivation not to cheat)”? Or whatever the words he used were…

  104. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
    Shame Spencer says:
    March 24, 2014 at 12:48 pm
    Anyone worried about Cervelli’s sudden power surge being a product of PEDs?

    Nah…..and even if it is who cares as long as he doesn’t get caught. It could be Florida wind too…..

    —————-

    I don’t care at all!! I hope he keeps taking them and we get to trade him with the starting catcher value people on here swear he has!

  105. blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    @ESPNNYYankees: Cashman says Ellsbury will DH tomorrow

  106. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    :arrow:

  107. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Speaking of David Ortiz

    http://www.fangraphs.com/not/s.....vid-ortiz/

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Oh,yeah, I think that Swisher video hits very very close to the mark! I do miss Swish. I know he rubbed a few fans the wrong way, but I liked his over-exuberance, because I never felt it was an act, I felt he was genuine.
    ///

    Swisher is like a guy who has no filters. That can be charming, but it can also be hazardous to the person who is so very open, and for more button-down types who repress their feelings, such a person feels like a threat or “over the top,” etc.

    Swisher is great in that video, and he’d probably make a great actor for this reason: he has great emotional courage and doesn’t care if he comes off like an idiot. I enjoy his weirdness, but I also understand how certain people felt he was kind of overwhelming and how that “natural high” he carries around could wear one down.

  109. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Predictable first three pitchers. I think Tanaka then Pineda. As I mentioned, they will get some quick assimilation, pitching against O’s and Red Sox on the first homestand.

    Doreen, agree about Swish, what you see is what you get, and I have no problem with that. I actually did like his energy and ingenousness, as long as he was hitting and not swinging from his heels. :twisted: His playoff form was mad frustrating though. And congrats on the WF, a very useful and fun store…

    As for Yanks, they make the choices in the first place by signing older vets. Interesting to see if they turn over a new leaf when younger elite players are ready or if they remain in AAA a little too long. Hopefully that changes. Love the young pitching/pitchers we have on team now though. I can’t wait to get to some live games and see them in action.

  110. BoJo March 24th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 11:33 am
    If Drew has that offer on the table it must be from a team he really has no interest in playing for.

    I guess he doesn’t want to play for the Long island Ducks.

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