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Yankees top three starters set

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 24, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi just announced that CC Sabathia will start on Thursday, Hiroki Kuroda on Friday and Ivan Nova on Saturday. He said it’s safe to read into that order, meaning Sabathia, Kuroda and Nova will open as the top three starters pitching in Houston.

That leaves, as expected, Masahiro Tanaka to make his major-league debut in Toronto, likely in the fourth game of the season.

Girardi said he has picked his fifth starter, but because he has not told all of the pitchers involved, he will not announce it until tomorrow.

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  1. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    “The Pirates have had trade talks with the Diamondbacks about shortstop Didi Gregorius, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Last Wednesday, Adam Rubin of ESPNNewYork.com reported the D’Backs were making Gregorius available in trade, after Chris Owings won the team’s starting shortstop job. Rubin wrote that [the Diamondbacks seek an MLB-ready starting pitcher to offset the loss of Patrick Corbin.]”

    We should be involved IMO.

    ;)

  2. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES 1m
    As @Joelsherman1 noted, w/ Tanaka starting April 4, he’s in line to go April 9, 15, 20, 26, May 2, meaning extra rest 3 times in 1st month.

  3. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Cervelli for Didi. No more and no less. The Dbacks won’t get a ton for Didi, no matter what they gave up for him.

  4. blake March 24th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    Boy Didi looked overmatched in the AB I saw of him in Australia

  5. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 5m
    some teams the dbacks have thought of as possibilities for SS didi gregorius: reds, pirates, tigers, mets, yanks

  6. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    The Snakes want a pitcher.

    Give ‘em Warren for Gregorius.

  7. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Boy Didi looked overmatched in the AB I saw of him in Australia

    ————–

    I don’t think he’s ever going to hit. I’m not giving up Phelps for him. If they’d take Warren, fine. But I doubt they would take him.

  8. Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Does Heyman ever have anything original to say?

  9. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Reds are not taking him back.

    Tigers have what they need.

    Mets, Pirates, and Tigers.

    Just compete for him and let the chips fall where they may.

  10. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Ellsbury will DH in a minor league game tomorrow.

  11. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Meant to say Mets, Pirates, and Yanks. sorry

  12. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    MTU March 24th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    The Snakes want a pitcher.

    Give ‘em Warren for Gregorius.
    ——————–

    I wouldn’t even give them the corpse of Warren Spahn for Gregorius. Kid has Rey Ordonez written all over him as a hitter.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Right, Melky was created by steroids. Why not just watch the ABs? And going with that philosophy, how did Montero do the last two years while using steroids in Seattle? How about Cervy now? And Alex the past few years on the juice? Let’s create a list of each player we know used and their corresponding results. This is so reductionist as to be irresponsible. You have no way of evaluating the effects of steroids on players.
    ///

    Hey – Jesus had a .900 OPS in ST. He’s back to being pudgy, and the slug is back!

    Maybe The Son, au naturel, is the real Jesus, and not the testosterone-fueled “skinny” guy? :)

  14. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Warren has no future w the Yanks other than as a pen piece. He’s completely fungible.

    We have tons of those types.

    Gregorius is young. Bat may still come round.

  15. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    repost
    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
    Predictable first three pitchers. I think Tanaka then Pineda. As I mentioned, they will get some quick assimilation, pitching against O’s and Red Sox on the first homestand.

    Doreen, agree about Swish, what you see is what you get, and I have no problem with that. I actually did like his energy and ingenousness, as long as he was hitting and not swinging from his heels. His playoff form was mad frustrating though. And congrats on the WF, a very useful and fun store…

    As for Yanks, they make the choices in the first place by signing older vets. Interesting to see if they turn over a new leaf when younger elite players are ready or if they remain in AAA a little too long. Hopefully that changes. Love the young pitching/pitchers we have on team now though. I can’t wait to get to some live games and see them in action.

  16. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Didi’s swing has always looked problematic… I don’t think anyone will give up much upside for him. I think giving them Cervelli would be kind!

  17. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Good for Nova, btw, getting the #3 spot. I’m sure things will be shuffled around throughout the course of the year, but Nova deserves some acknowledgement.

  18. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    JAP –

    Melky is, at his best, going to be a .270 hitter with 10-12 HR potential and give you a strong arm in the OF.

    Is that better than a 4th OF, yes. Is it the All-Star he was with the Giants, nope.

  19. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Warren has no future w the Yanks other than as a pen piece. He’s completely fungible.

    We have tons of those types.

    Gregorius is young. Bat may still come round.
    ——————

    Bat will come around, unfortunately the ball will be in the catcher’s glove by the time it does :-)

  20. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Bet Cano’s mentoring has more to do with Cervelli’s improved power than either steroids or Kevin Long :)

  21. Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    Didi’s swing has always looked problematic
    ——
    how long have you been following didi, shame?

  22. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    I liked Swish a lot. For his cost, he was an awesomely valuable player. Which is why I wanted to trade him instead of losing him for nothing.

  23. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    OK Chip. You win.

    Our IF cupboard is pretty bare so he’d better be that bad if we’re passing for a BUC or a guy w no future in our rotation.

    You seem very sure of yourself.

    ;)

  24. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Nova isn’t exactly chopped liver, and I don’t think they would pitch him any “lower,” but it isn’t really a hierarchy (think Nova will pitch lights out this season), and I am sure they want to break up Kuroda and Tanaka…

  25. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    …plus of course give Tanaka the extra days, big consideration.

  26. DONNYBROOK March 24th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    I would go with Beckham over Gregorius in general. Gregorius at SS in 2015 = Nope.
    Watched the Rangers yesterday and that Michael CHOICE is a player to Follow. Boy can he hit, and turns 25 in Nov. Profar out at Least 10 weeks with shoulder trouble.

  27. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West March 24th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Doreen

    I can’t stomach paying the prices at whole foods. We have something called trader Joe’s, which is a nice organics grocery store. The prices are also much more reasonable.

  28. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    Shame, for his cost and value in regular season, absolutely, yes. His frustrating playoff production though really wasn’t about sample size but approach.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    JAP –

    Melky is, at his best, going to be a .270 hitter with 10-12 HR potential and give you a strong arm in the OF.

    Is that better than a 4th OF, yes. Is it the All-Star he was with the Giants, nope.
    //

    I couldn’t disagree more, and him sitting behind Reyes and in front of Bautista is perfectly reflective of where he should be.

    They may bat him sixth vs. LHP, but once he regains a RH stroke that began to work for him as far back as 2009 (in this case, Long does get some credit), he’ll move up vs. lefties, too.

    I commented, as Bodhisattva, several years back, that Cabrera had .300 BA in him and thought that he would one day deliver. He has: twice, and if he’s healthy, he’ll do it again; probably this year, because he’s a verrrry good contact hitter who hits line drives, can hit curve balls all day, and has a history of 2-out hits, and he will get a load of pitches to hit with Joey Bats as protection.

    He’s still in his prime years, as well, and his upsurge in numbers go right along with the onset of those years. Nothing mysterious or not obvious about where that bat was headed, as people like Don Mattingly and George Brett – both of whom know hittin’ – have said about Cabrera.

  30. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Cashmoney March 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
    Didi’s swing has always looked problematic
    ——
    how long have you been following didi, shame?

    ————-

    Just since last off season when I thought the Yanks might target him in a trade since he became available. I checked out some minor league ABs and then watched him pretty closely throughout the season… he never looks comfortable at the plate at all.

  31. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Michelle, WF can be pricey, but I comparison shop. We have a WF, a Trader, and a couple of independent health food stores, so I pick and choose. But can’t beat WF for sales on things like fish (very fresh) and specials, like their sometimes Friday sales on produce, such as organic blueberries or strawberries. But yeah, if you are not careful you will spend a ton on very little.

  32. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
    JAP –

    Melky is, at his best, going to be a .270 hitter with 10-12 HR potential and give you a strong arm in the OF.

    Is that better than a 4th OF, yes. Is it the All-Star he was with the Giants, nope.

    —————-

    I don’t think he is the All Star either.. but if this convo is being presented in the context of whether it was a good idea to trade the player you describe for Javy Vasquez, I think we can all agree the Yankees had egg on their face with that move…..

  33. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    I think you vastly underrate Melky, Chip, but have at it.

  34. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    OK Chip. You win.

    Our IF cupboard is pretty bare so he’d better be that bad if we’re passing for a BUC or a guy w no future in our rotation.

    You seem very sure of yourself.
    ——————–

    I’m not disputing that we need infielders, and I’m not against trading Cervelli or Warren.

    Could Didi develop into something as a hitter? Sure, but I think at best (Rey Ordonez jokes aside) the reports I’ve read about him suggest he might be a better fielding Eduardo Nunez. A guy who will surprise you with power when you don’t expect it and has ok contact rates but a hard time putting the ball in play.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Nova isn’t exactly chopped liver, and I don’t think they would pitch him any “lower,” but it isn’t really a hierarchy (think Nova will pitch lights out this season), and I am sure they want to break up Kuroda and Tanaka…
    ///

    Nova should assume the mantle of “ace” this season, I would guess. Deference to veterans is understandable, and both C and Kuroda have earned that. But Nova will not be denied; Tanaka, also, with what we’ve seen, could overtake the two vets and then we’d still have a great staff, 1-5, but with the younger, more lively arms getting the tougher assignments.

    The staff is the most interesting aspect for me of this coming season, by far. It’s just too bad that Hal is such a dope; this staff, with having added McCann, with Robinson Cano continuing his excellence in the middle of the order and at 2B – would have been spectacularly good.

  36. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    @OrtizKicks Tanaka could have been a huge draw, but Astros can salvage 3rd game crowd w promotion giving fans copies of Nevin scouting report. #Jeter

    Hehehehehe…

  37. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    Melky for Javy Vazquez didn’t work out – however, the Yankees had just brought in Granderson, were moving Gardner to LF and had Swisher in RF. Who was Melky starting over?

    Plus, the Yankees didn’t like the influence (real or perceived) that Melky was having on Cano.

  38. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    I liked Swish a lot. For his cost, he was an awesomely valuable player. Which is why I wanted to trade him instead of losing him for nothing.
    ————-

    Well we did end up using those picks in the draft. Seems like they were well spent.

  39. dan l March 24th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Why take PEDs when xenon gas works great instead… http://www.economist.com/news/.....breathe-it

    Who will be the first baseball player to do this?

  40. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:12 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    JAP –

    Melky is, at his best, going to be a .270 hitter with 10-12 HR potential and give you a strong arm in the OF.

    Is that better than a 4th OF, yes. Is it the All-Star he was with the Giants, nope.
    //

    I couldn’t disagree more, and him sitting behind Reyes and in front of Bautista is perfectly reflective of where he should be.

    They may bat him sixth vs. LHP, but once he regains a RH stroke that began to work for him as far back as 2009 (in this case, Long does get some credit), he’ll move up vs. lefties, too.

    I commented, as Bodhisattva, several years back, that Cabrera had .300 BA in him and thought that he would one day deliver. He has: twice, and if he’s healthy, he’ll do it again; probably this year, because he’s a verrrry good contact hitter who hits line drives, can hit curve balls all day, and has a history of 2-out hits, and he will get a load of pitches to hit with Joey Bats as protection.

    He’s still in his prime years, as well, and his upsurge in numbers go right along with the onset of those years. Nothing mysterious or not obvious about where that bat was headed, as people like Don Mattingly and George Brett – both of whom know hittin’ – have said about Cabrera.
    ————————

    Okie dokie – You’ve been pining for Melky ever since the trade and he’s done nothing legitimate to prove it. But hey, let’s see if he can be healthy and productive this year. If he is, good for him. If not, I expect you to come up with another excuse for him…sun was in his eyes all year, Canadian food disagreed with him…I’m sure you’ll be there.

  41. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    JAP you’re right though – Melky hitting third for Toronto is a good indicator of where he belongs…in Toronto. For a good team he’s a bottom of the order hitter or 4th outfielder. For Toronto he’s the number 3 hitter.

  42. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    Some believe the IF D will not be a concern.

    They may be correct.

    OTOH they may be very wrong.

    I thing the IF’s range will be fairly poor meaning many balls that should have been caught will sneak thru.

    Also, expect more errors than for a normal Yankee’s Team.

    The combo of the two makes me think the IF will be somewhat problematic especially when almost our entire staff is ground ball oriented.

    We shall see. I hope for the best. But I would not be surprised if plays out as above.

  43. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    @craigcalcaterra I’d sign Stephen Drew if I were the Tigers or Yanks, but it’s neat how, the longer he’s out there, the better player he becomes.

    @craigcalcaterra “We’re surrounded! The enemy has cut off our supply lines! What do we do?!” — “SIGN STEPHEN DREW”

  44. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    By the way – touting your own scouting report of Melky as proof of how good he could be is silly. As is using the public comments made by Don Mattingly and George Brett who were both affiliated with teams that Melky played for.

    If Mattingly, as Yankee hitting/bench coach had said “Melky Cabrera is hot garbage” while Melky was playing for the Yankees, now that would have been a story.

  45. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Well we did end up using those picks in the draft. Seems like they were well spent.

    —————-

    Meh… he brought back some potential, but he could have brought back a big league ready player in a position of need. He ranked very highly among OFers throughout his years with us.

  46. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Didi probably be an upgrade over Ryan, so there’s that.

  47. champ809 March 24th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Chip

    The “pitcher who’s had arm troubles” in that cabrera/Javy Lopez deal, Aroyds Vizcaino was in cubs camp this spring throwing 98-100mph gas….easy arm action too…btw

  48. luis March 24th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    Food for thought since I have a little time to write:

    1) The rotation will be CC, Kuroda,Nova, Tanaka and Pineda. Why? because the latter has become the new poster boy of Cashman. He needs him to succeed and perform. So he will be given the job regardless. After watching some video from him from MLB´s archives I can say without hesitation that he is not better than Phelps or Nuno for that 5th spot. His FB is ok and he has a good slider, but not plus. But the main problem is that he lacks a third pitch. The CU is a piece of crap. So I don´t see how he can survive several turns of a MLB lineup. IMO he has written “reliever” all over him. And only if that FB of his starts sitting 93 rather than 91, or unless he manages to develop pin point command. Not likely with his mechanics. Perhaps we are seeing another example of Phil Hughes minus that he is not homegrown so the fans patience won´t be as strong. Still, I think we have a pretty good rotation regardless. Tanaka is a solid pick, nova will top the rotation by the end of the season, CC will bounce back and learn to pitch with his diminished FB and Kuroda will be Kuroda. Plus we have good depth in Phelps and Nuno and probably with Banuelos by July.

    One more thing… I think Betances has a better repertoire and stuff at this point than Pineda

    2) The BP will be fine: Drob, Betances, Claiborne, Kelly, Thornton are a good group to start with..Then you have Burawa, Montgomery and others on the wings. And Phelps as the versatile reliever ( Multiple innigns , spot start, late inningsm, you name it ) and probbably Warren as the de facto long man.

    3) The problem is the infield if you ask me. Tex well, is an even more diminished version of his already diminished version of previous seasons. This is going to be his first below 800 OPS season of his career and it´s only going to get worse. Jeter is the captain and he has earned the right to retire as the SS. 2B well not only that we have downgraded on the position offensively but we have added a substantial injury risk factor as well. 3B well you know. I don´t believe the OF and DH can compensate for the lost and a very light production we are going to get from the IF. Not to mention that we added more age and injury risk to those positions as well. We´ll see.

    Overall I think this an 87 wins ballclub..But if everything breaks right, they can win 91-92..if they sustained some injuries, oops!!

  49. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    champ809 March 24th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    Chip

    The “pitcher who’s had arm troubles” in that cabrera/Javy Lopez deal, Aroyds Vizcaino was in cubs camp this spring throwing 98-100mph gas….easy arm action too…btw
    ——————

    Hope it works out for him.

  50. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 24th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    “Plus, the Yankees didn’t like the influence (real or perceived) that Melky was having on Cano.”

    Maybe Robster had the influence on Melkster? Who knows?

  51. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    champ809 March 24th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
    Chip

    The “pitcher who’s had arm troubles” in that cabrera/Javy Lopez deal, Aroyds Vizcaino was in cubs camp this spring throwing 98-100mph gas….easy arm action too…btw

    —————-

    Paint Melky however you want, that was a terrrrrible trade.

    Is it Cashman’s worst?

  52. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    My point was we didn’t lose him for nothing, and we went to the playoffs in his final year with him. We were not in a position to sell.

  53. Hankflorida March 24th, 2014 at 1:30 pm

    I just worry both Jeter and Tex have such an awful first couple of months it drags down the whole offense, but I’m a worrier, and maybe it works out fine.

    Pete, there is cause to worry as this Yankee team is not one that was well thought out in its inception. Not only is the concern there that Tex and Jeter will have slow starts, but what about McCaan and Beltran having to adjust to the AL. What about Ellsbury having to miss some ST games because of his nagging injury and being behind when the season starts. What about Johnson at 3rd looking like a .230 hitter trying to learn a new position, and Roberts does not exude that confidence of stability as a replacement for Cano. To repeat one of our blogger’s lament, “the Yankees just threw everything they could against the wall hoping that something would stick.”

  54. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:31 pm

    Trisha-

    Put me down for 97 wins please.

    :)

  55. 4TrainNorth March 24th, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Trisha, please put me down for 91. Thx!

  56. Melkmanisinhotlanta March 24th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    “Paint Melky however you want, that was a terrrrrible trade.”

    It was inexplicable considering Javy previously stunk up the joint as a NYY . The only positive is that Cashman provided the dude a chance at redemption. A second chance as a NYY is beyond huge.

  57. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

    Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    champ809 March 24th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
    Chip

    The “pitcher who’s had arm troubles” in that cabrera/Javy Lopez deal, Aroyds Vizcaino was in cubs camp this spring throwing 98-100mph gas….easy arm action too…btw

    —————-

    Paint Melky however you want, that was a terrrrrible trade.

    Is it Cashman’s worst?
    ————————-

    It was a bad trade because Cashman should have known better than to bring Javy Vazquez back to the Yankees.

    If you want to talk about results though – Cashman’s worst trade was the one for Damaso Marte and Xavier Nady.

    Granted, the return was a pu pu platter of not very good players (Jose Tabata being the best of the bunch) but given what the team got (or rather didn’t get) out of Nady and Marte I would say that deal rightly sucked.

    At least in the Javy trade the Yankees got a guy who emerged as a solid LHRP – something they hadn’t had in years.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Interesting article on the top 8 most loyal fanbases in MLB. This totally flies in the face of everyone who said that the fans were turning away from the Yankees in droves.

    I guess this is done biannually. Well it said it used 2013 data compiled before July 30, 2013. For the heck of it I checked out the standings on July 29, 2013. About teams “of note” – Sux were .5 games out of first, while the Yankees were 7.5 games out of first.

    That notwithstanding, here are The 8 Most Loyal Fanbases in Major League Baseball, in order of ranking.

    1. San Francisco Giants

    2. New York Yankees

    3. Los Angeles Dodgers

    4. St. Louis Cardinals (I actually thought they were going to be first)

    5. sux

    6. Philadephia Phillies

    7. Texas Rangers

    8. Detroit Tigers

    Not bad for recent playoff woes, including missing a few!

    GO NEW YORK YANKEE FANS!!!!!

    :)

    http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sp.....038;ref=OB

  59. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Chip, it appears you are the one with the bias against Melky. I challenge you to consistently watch him play. He is in no way a bottom of order hitter or a 4th OF. You are reaching.

  60. tomingeorgia March 24th, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Way to go, Mister MTU!

  61. luis March 24th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Mine is 90 wins and a PS berth

  62. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    I liked the Marte/Nady deal in principle. Marte killed the Phillies in ’09 too.

    My least favorite Cashman trade is probably Kyle Farnsworth for Ivan Rodriguez. Yuck. That was terrible.

  63. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    ““Plus, the Yankees didn’t like the influence (real or perceived) that Melky was having on Cano.”

    Never saw a link on this, FTR. And apparently according to some, the Yankees also didn’t like the influence Cano had on Cano. Or was that just KLong as mouthpiece for front office speak? ;)

  64. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    Chip, it appears you are the one with the bias against Melky. I challenge you to consistently watch him play. He is in no way a bottom of order hitter or a 4th OF. You are reaching.
    ———————

    Waiting for the answer to the question: in the 2010 season – which OF was sitting for Melky:

    Gardner
    Granderson
    Swisher

    Posada was the DH

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Oops, sorry, I forgot to do today’s update. Thanks MTU and 4TrainNorth for reminding me!

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/24 RayVT 108
    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    3/12 mnmboys 100
    2/4 Mottsx 99
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    3/22 bbb1 97
    3/24 MTU 97
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/29 Mike-Boston 96
    2/4 DaSaint007 96
    1/23 Chicken_Stanley 95
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/25 Melkman is in hotlanta 95
    1/29 rm 95
    2/4 Hanks Bar 95
    2/25 Tyler 95
    1/23 tomingeoriga 94
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/25 Yanksinvegas 94
    1/30 Munson15 94
    2/20 Charleston Chew 94
    2/21 Felix Unger 94
    2/25 The Straw 94
    3/16 albrown1321 94
    3/17 ac1 94
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/28 blake 93/147
    2/4 Doc Todd 93
    2/13 Abe Peterham 93
    3/16 CountryClub 93
    3/18 sjb23 93
    3/22 86w183 93
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    2/4 Iron Horse 92
    2/8 Yanks 61 92
    3/16 Magrudor 92
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    2/4 Oscar Madison 91
    3/16 ecc16 91
    3/24 4TrainNorth 91
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/25 Y’s Guy 90
    1/29 Deal With It 90
    1/30 longtime 90
    2/5 Your Name Here 90
    3/2 mortl 90
    3/16 Bojo 90
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    2/3 Bronx Zoo 89
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/29 Baby Ruth 88
    3/4 Vineyard Yankee 88
    3/7 joeman 88
    1/30 Your Worst Nightmare 87
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/29 Can of Corn 86
    3/10 Paco Dooley 86
    1/24 PKyankfan69 69

  66. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Mister Tom-

    I used a very simple approach.

    I figure w this Team the Yankees should be able to play around .600 ball.

    That is right around 97 wins.

    I waited so that I could collect more data. I feel I have enough now.

    I would have liked to improve that IF D for sure But I will just be more optimistic instead.

    The pitching staff is the real key to me.

    I expect it to be in the top 5 in baseball.

    :)

  67. RadioKev March 24th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Trisha, please have me down for 90.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Again

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/24 RayVT 108
    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    3/12 mnmboys 100
    2/4 Mottsx 99
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    3/22 bbb1 97
    3/24 MTU 97
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/29 Mike-Boston 96
    2/4 DaSaint007 96
    1/23 Chicken_Stanley 95
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/25 Melkman is in hotlanta 95
    1/29 rm 95
    2/4 Hanks Bar 95
    2/25 Tyler 95
    1/23 tomingeoriga 94
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/25 Yanksinvegas 94
    1/30 Munson15 94
    2/20 Charleston Chew 94
    2/21 Felix Unger 94
    2/25 The Straw 94
    3/16 albrown1321 94
    3/17 ac1 94
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/28 blake 93/147
    2/4 Doc Todd 93
    2/13 Abe Peterham 93
    3/16 CountryClub 93
    3/18 sjb23 93
    3/22 86w183 93
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    2/4 Iron Horse 92
    2/8 Yanks 61 92
    3/16 Magrudor 92
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    2/4 Oscar Madison 91
    3/16 ecc16 91
    3/24 4TrainNorth 91
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/25 Y’s Guy 90
    1/29 Deal With It 90
    1/30 longtime 90
    2/5 Your Name Here 90
    3/2 mortl 90
    3/16 Bojo 90
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    2/3 Bronx Zoo 89
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/29 Baby Ruth 88
    3/4 Vineyard Yankee 88
    3/7 joeman 88
    1/30 Your Worst Nightmare 87
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/29 Can of Corn 86
    3/10 Paco Dooley 86
    1/24 PKyankfan69 69

  69. tomingeorgia March 24th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    luis,
    Reading everything published of the situation. Keep safe.

  70. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Trisha – I’ll take 92 wins

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Okay, I’ve updated with luis and Chip. Here it is. Anyone else I will put in and publish with tomorrow’s update.

    REMEMBER TO CHECK MY NUMBERS! I am not going to go back and change things in the middle of the season because someone says I put the wrong number in. You all know I am numbers-challenged! :)

    2014 YANKEE PREDICTION CHART

    1/23 Cashmoney 163
    1/24 RayVT 108
    1/23 Trisha 101
    1/24 Hunger Games 101
    3/12 mnmboys 100
    2/4 Mottsx 99
    1/22 Kelvin 98
    3/22 bbb1 97
    3/24 MTU 97
    1/22 Poetkiosk 96
    1/23 bbb1 96
    1/24 Howler 96
    1/29 Mike-Boston 96
    2/4 DaSaint007 96
    1/23 Chicken_Stanley 95
    1/23 nettles9nc 95
    1/25 Melkman is in hotlanta 95
    1/29 rm 95
    2/4 Hanks Bar 95
    2/25 Tyler 95
    1/23 tomingeoriga 94
    1/23 GregD 94
    1/25 Yanksinvegas 94
    1/30 Munson15 94
    2/20 Charleston Chew 94
    2/21 Felix Unger 94
    2/25 The Straw 94
    3/16 albrown1321 94
    3/17 ac1 94
    1/22 Rhapsody in Blue 93
    1/23 Pete2 93
    1/24 Jmills 93
    1/28 blake 93/147
    2/4 Doc Todd 93
    2/13 Abe Peterham 93
    3/16 CountryClub 93
    3/18 sjb23 93
    3/22 86w183 93
    1/23 Austinmac 92
    1/24 kd 92
    1/24 MichelleB 92
    2/4 Iron Horse 92
    2/8 Yanks 61 92
    3/16 Magrudor 92
    3/24 Chip 92
    1/23 FS48 91
    1/23 Locke 91
    1/23 Tabbert 91
    2/4 Oscar Madison 91
    3/16 ecc16 91
    3/24 4TrainNorth 91
    1/23 Upstate 90
    1/25 Y’s Guy 90
    1/29 Deal With It 90
    1/30 longtime 90
    2/5 Your Name Here 90
    3/2 mortl 90
    3/16 Bojo 90
    3/24 luis 90
    3/24 RadioKev 90
    1/24 Chambliss 89
    2/3 Bronx Zoo 89
    1/23 JimK 88
    1/29 Baby Ruth 88
    3/4 Vineyard Yankee 88
    3/7 joeman 88
    1/30 Your Worst Nightmare 87
    1/24 Comet 86
    1/29 Can of Corn 86
    3/10 Paco Dooley 86
    1/24 PKyankfan69 69

  72. tomingeorgia March 24th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    MTU,
    Sound reasoning.

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    And you do have up until first pitch to add or change, anyway.

  74. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Tom-

    I was also concerned about the pen but no longer.

    That influenced me as well.

    Only real concern now is the quality of the IF D.

    In the end that may be a mirage as well.

  75. austinmac March 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Luis,

    My daughter, who is studying abroad in Cordoba, Arg. and is going to Iguaza Falls in a couple weeks. Isn’t that where you went awhile back?

  76. MTU March 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    I have to go.

    Catch up with you folks another time.

    :)

  77. luis March 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Thanks Tom, I appreciate your concern. But as you see, I am alive and kicking

  78. Hankflorida March 24th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    The staff is the most interesting aspect for me of this coming season, by far. It’s just too bad that Hal is such a dope; this staff, with having added McCann, with Robinson Cano continuing his excellence in the middle of the order and at 2B – would have been spectacularly good.

    Alfred, if Ellsbury is plagued with health problems or remains as a Punch and Judy hitter for 22 million a year, who can disagree with you that Cano was worth the extra three years for 25 a year considering what the value woulld be compared to other contracts ten years from now. Our lineup would be this year Gardner, Jeter, Cano, Text, Beltran, McCaan, Soriano, Johnson and Almonte. Notice that I do not prefer two table setters like Gardner and Ichiro to play together in the outfield as i do this year with Ellsbury and Gardner. On the other hand, if Ellsbury becomes the 2011 player, Ellsbury for Cano is worth it.

  79. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    Luis

    There was an article in NoMaas.org last week that pegged the Yankees for 86 wins basedon, if my memory recalls correctly, on :

    Last season, they were really a sub .500 team playing over their heads
    Cano has averaged 6.7 WAR per season over last 4
    loss of Petite and his fine ERA, essentially replaced by Tanaka, hopefully.
    No MO
    Fragility of key players
    Weak bench
    I think there was one more.

    Anyway if they get a healthy year out of their key players, I’m hopeful for a 93 win season, a vastly improved offense, based more on OBP, and tiring out opposing starters,and key contributions from a young bullpen, as well as my team MVP for 2014-Kelly Johnson.

    Trisha – Mark me down for 93

  80. bigdan22 March 24th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    It certainly appears that Pineda will be the fifth starter. I had felt after his 2nd start that he didn’t appear to be ready and would be better served by building up strength and stamina in AAA for awhile. But after seeing his last two starts, he appears ready to me. But the problem is, he may not be a very good starter at all this year.

    It’s pretty clear to me, after his last start, and his only real extended appearance against a ML lineup, Pineda does not have the requisite tools to be a consistently effective ML starter this year. And I say this year because I really don’t expect his stuff to get better later in the year which diminishes the utility of starting him out in AAA. I, of course, could be wrong about that but time will tell.

    Right now, Pineda is an extremely predictable pitcher with only one true out pitch, his slider. After watching the Jays yesterday, I believe ML hitters will figure out pretty soon how to work around that slider. They’ll figure out pretty soon that when he throws it early in the count for a strike it’s basically sitting up on a tee and waiting to be hit. They’ll learn to lay off it later the count as well. They’ll be able to do this because they have no other pitch from Pineda to worry about. His fastball is average at about 91. And he doesn’t really have good command of it. You don’t see him moving his fb around the zone and picking up strikes on the corners that you see from someone like Phelps or CC. He basically just throws it and it sinks, cuts and tails on its own. His fb movement will help him but we’re not talking Shane Greene’s 94+ moving fb. This is about 90-91 and when it hits the middle of the plate it will be hit hard. I’ve seen it hit hard at 92 on the inner half already. And his CU is basically non-existent. It has little CU fade to it and seems to come in at about 88.

    So basically, the lack of weapons will most likely do in Pineda this year. In that way, he is a bit similar to Hughes. For Pineda to improve, he’ll either need to develop a third pitch, more velocity on his fb or much better command.

  81. tomingeorgia March 24th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    luis,
    When does local baseball start for you?

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    By the way – touting your own scouting report of Melky as proof of how good he could be is silly. As is using the public comments made by Don Mattingly and George Brett who were both affiliated with teams that Melky played for.
    ///

    Why am I not going to say that what he did doesn’t come as a surprise? He had the hit tool always; he just matured as a hitter – you basically are saying he doesn’t have a good hit tool, yet you can’t tell me what it is about him that makes you say it, other than repeating something Brian Cashman said.

    Your position is, he has fourth OF talent, and that he put up those 2011 and 2012 numbers because of testosterone. That’s your argument.

    Mattingly was not affiliated with the Yankees when he said it; he said it as the Dodger manager.

    The “proof” is when results reflect talent/potential. Easy to find by visiting Baseball Reference.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Hey primo :)

    Good to see you.

    Wondered, have you and jmv actually met?

  84. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    JAP –

    From John Sickles on Melky…I think it’s probably more objective than either of us: http://www.minorleagueball.com.....sco-giants

  85. luis March 24th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

    austinmac March 24th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    Luis,

    My daughter, who is studying abroad in Cordoba, Arg. and is going to Iguaza Falls in a couple weeks. Isn’t that where you went awhile back?

    =======================

    No, my friend. Iguazu Falls is right in the border of Brazil, Paraguay and maybe Argentina. Beautiful place, but nowhere near as impressive as Canaima.. there is one monument though that I liked very much…It is from the “El Chaco” war between Brazil; Argentina and Uruguay against Paraguay… The war ended because Paraguay ran out of men to fight, I mean this litterally.. Well this monument says: “Here lies one coward Paraguayean for every 100 brave Brazilian”

  86. bigdan22 March 24th, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    Nice to see Banuelos hitting 95 yesterday. He and Greene should make and interesting tandem in Scranton. I expect both to be competing for a rotation spot next spring. They also could be nice bullpen arms later this year as well. Wonder when JoRam can pitch again.

  87. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    trisha – Not that I disagree that Yankee fans are loyal.. but the sheer numbers will always have them ranked high in reports like this. The Yankees, while having one of the most loyal fan bases, probably also has the largest bandwagon fanbase in the history of sports lol.

  88. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Luis

    Here’s the article I referenced a few minutes ago:

    2014 Forecast: The Yankees’ win total
    March 19, 2014 by Vizzini

    Now that we have completed our series analyzing the Yankee offense, rotation, bullpen, and defense, it’s time to offer our Official NoMaas Win Total Prediction for the 2014 New York Yankees.
    It has been a dramatic offseason of Streinbrennerian proportions. Mariano and Andy retired. The Yankees made a huge splash by signing McCann, Ellsbury, and Beltran, only to see their best player head for Seattle. And just when it appeared the Yankees were stuck with a marginally improved roster, hemmed in by the Hal-Cap™, they threw off the shackles of the past two seasons’ strategy and spent $175 million to sign Masahiro Tanaka. So what does it all add up to?
    Drum roll please………
    Eighty-six wins. 8 followed by a 6. In Italian, that’s ottantasei. It’s oitenta e seis for you Portuguese out there.

    That’s it. After all that drama and spending, the New York Yankees stand today as an 86-win team. How can it be that after handing out $544 MILLION DOLLARS in new contracts this offseason, they are only in line to gain one win over the dismal 2013 season? Here’s how:

    http://nomaas.org/2014/03/2014.....win-total/

  89. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    On Melky, in all honesty is he the 4th OF I think he is? Probably not. He’s probably a little better than that. Which is not the same as saying that he’s the All-Star he was for the Giants either.

    If I was looking for someone’s career path to compare him too it certainly wouldn’t be Bernie Williams – maybe someone like Jaque Jones or Shannon Stewart. Nothing wrong with that. Both those guys were serviceable major leaguers for a long time.

    The bottom line is that, given the fact that he would have been a 4th OF on the 2010 Yankees and was starting to get expensive through arbitration, trading him was the right move. Trading him for Javy Vazquez was not.

  90. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    The Marte trade I liked if it had produced results lol… but yea, that was pretty bad too. I still think the idea that giving up anything for another round of Javy was the worst, however. In both logic and principle, it was a dumb move. I will admit to trying to defend it at the time.. but it was just foolhardy.

  91. luis March 24th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Yankee Trader March 24th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    Luis

    There was an article in NoMaas.org last week that pegged the Yankees for 86 wins basedon, if my memory recalls correctly, on :

    Last season, they were really a sub .500 team playing over their heads
    Cano has averaged 6.7 WAR per season over last 4
    loss of Petite and his fine ERA, essentially replaced by Tanaka, hopefully.
    No MO
    Fragility of key players
    Weak bench
    I think there was one more.

    Anyway if they get a healthy year out of their key players, I’m hopeful for a 93 win season, a vastly improved offense, based more on OBP, and tiring out opposing starters,and key contributions from a young bullpen, as well as my team MVP for 2014-Kelly Johnson.

    Trisha – Mark me down for 93

    ===============================

    Mirrors about my basic take..It will depend on how healthy the team stays. Whe i calculated the expected wins back in December i thought the team was at 85 give or take a win…I think winning 93 is possible but not likely…90-92 is more likely if everything goes well.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    At least in the Javy trade the Yankees got a guy who emerged as a solid LHRP – something they hadn’t had in years.
    ///

    What they have lacked for three years is a contact oriented bat to complement Cano and Jeter in the lineup.

    A Melky PA here and there, in 2012, could have made a big impact. Instead, they had back-leg whiffers who died by offspeed and couldn’t catch up to the real heat.

    He’s exactly the kind of hitter they lacked against Cliff Lee in 2010, for example. Yeah, his presence could have changed their postseason fate: in 2011, he’d have been perfect for all those men on, big-ass swing failures against Detroit in that five-game series.

  93. blake March 24th, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    @craigcalcaterra: *Tigers sign Freddy Garcia as a shortstop*

  94. CountryClub March 24th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    John Manuel ?@johnmanuelba 6m
    Another year, another #Rays prospect suspended for PED use. This time, it’s RHP Alex Colome, 50 games for Boldenone

  95. luis March 24th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Tom,

    Local baseball starts in October and finishes in Feb with the Serie del Caribe.

    ====================

    So basically, the lack of weapons will most likely do in Pineda this year. In that way, he is a bit similar to Hughes. For Pineda to improve, he’ll either need to develop a third pitch, more velocity on his fb or much better command.

    Dan, just don´t forget who said it first! ;) Kidding aside good post, much better explained than mine.

    0000000000

    Primo!!,

    I think you have mail..And no I haven´t met him yet…

  96. bigdan22 March 24th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    I see very little utility in projecting season win totals for baseball teams. As I’ve discussed several times before, a baseball season is really a very complex system with far too many variables to project a win total with any certainty. But if you must project, I think the most useful way to proceed is to provide the most likely range.

    For the 2014 Yankees, I think it’s very unlikely they win less than 85 games. The pitching is just too good for that. So then what is the most this team is likely to win? I’d say 93-94 if everything goes right. So that would put the range at 85-94. And I really don’t believe 92 wins is more or less likely than say 87. Just too much uncertainty in a baseball season. The Sox last year was a great example of that.

  97. Yankee Trader March 24th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    Luis

    I included the article above.

    I’ve spoken about this before, but some of the key lefty hitters, will have to overcome the shift, and not just as Pruf says, “by those big-as* swing failures” ( for the fences).

    Their homer swinging lefties will be facing the shift just about every time they face one of the AL East teams.

  98. PhiltheThrill March 24th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    I’m gonna guess 94 wins.

  99. bigdan22 March 24th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    luis March 24th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    So basically, the lack of weapons will most likely do in Pineda this year. In that way, he is a bit similar to Hughes. For Pineda to improve, he’ll either need to develop a third pitch, more velocity on his fb or much better command.

    Dan, just don´t forget who said it first! ;) Kidding aside good post, much better explained than mine.

    —–

    Yes you did Luis! I was thinking of you when I wrote that.

  100. luis March 24th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    Thanks Trader for the link…Irreverent discourse and I had a very good argument about where the team was at after the adquisitions…Nomaas explains it very well..

    I put 90 because after all, I am a yankee fan and want them to do well…but reality is reality

  101. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    trisha – I think I’m ready to go…. 93 wins.

    I wanna say 92, but hey, I’m a closeted optimist.

  102. pkyankfan69 March 24th, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Only the Mets… Funny Dice-KKK Tweet

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/e.....on-twitter

  103. tomingeorgia March 24th, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    luis,
    DOH, winter ball!

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    JAP –

    From John Sickles on Melky…I think it’s probably more objective than either of us: http://www.minorleagueball.com…..sco-giants
    ///

    So, what qualifies John Sickles? A byline?

    A guy who admitted he “flippantly wrote ‘Cabrera sucks’” has found a reason to justify is flippancy?

    I’ve seen a lot more of Cabrera than Sickles. Bylines don’t guarantee anything, Chip. I was “inside” the sports media for over 10 years. There is nothing that a writer or media person “knows” that is necessarily, by definition, trumps that of the fan. They have “contacts”, etc, sure, but they have not, inherently, because they get media jobs, anything that is somehow a better analysis gene than anyone else.

    Sickles has never impressed me, and if I had a conversation with him, I have no doubt I would have a better grasp of what Melky’s hitting tendencies, etc. are than he.

    So I don’t agree, that he has much to illuminate about Melky Cabrera.

  105. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    I emailed a friend earlier and the interesting thing about Boldenone is that it is VERY commonly used with other steroids or masking agents. My friend (who used fairly often in high school and college for reasons I could never understand) said he’d never seen anyone use it without other supplements and he’d be shocked if this was the only steroid/masking agent found in a players system.

    Which makes rehashing the logic of Alex’s suspension a lot of fun… unfortunately we’ll never know what else Colome may have tested positive for.

  106. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    At least in the Javy trade the Yankees got a guy who emerged as a solid LHRP – something they hadn’t had in years.
    ///

    What they have lacked for three years is a contact oriented bat to complement Cano and Jeter in the lineup.

    A Melky PA here and there, in 2012, could have made a big impact. Instead, they had back-leg whiffers who died by offspeed and couldn’t catch up to the real heat.

    He’s exactly the kind of hitter they lacked against Cliff Lee in 2010, for example. Yeah, his presence could have changed their postseason fate: in 2011, he’d have been perfect for all those men on, big-ass swing failures against Detroit in that five-game series.
    ———————–

    You should be Melky’s agent.

  107. yankeefeminista March 24th, 2014 at 2:25 pm

    Chip, got to run, I can’t speak for others, but I will take my own takes over Sickels’ when I see said Yankee MiLB players many many times vs. the few times the faux scouts see them. I trust my eyes, and MiLB stats really really need qualifiers to give you a complete picture. JR Murphy is a good example. Saw his ABs and said he would hit even though the numbers said otherwise. Repetition, watching games is your friend, and evaluating quality ABs over results you can often see these things. Sometimes you are wrong, but it really isn’t rocket science. Also important point: keep in mind that post 2009 the Yankees had every chance to develop their own players but chose not to. That Javy trade especially was laughable. And here we are as a result, currently with no in-prime homegrown players, our remedy dumpster diving for multiple years while flashing general lack of bat speed and aging players from 2010 on. Our poor evaluation of our offense put us here. Thank God for the pitching and the ability to spend to bandaid the boo-boos with free agency. If we had been smarter we could have parlayed our lack for an infield, extended players before they became expensive, moved them for a haul, and not had to overload on FA bc beggars can’t be choosers, and free agency didn’t give us the best IF options this time around b/c most teams are extending their prime-time position players. It is what it is. And did I say it already, well, I will say it again, just as I did last year, thank God for pitching. Hopefully, this year we hit a little, but the IF is weak/fragile. And I will bet you Melky’s offense this year is superlative.

    Hi luis, thanks for the email/lengthy updates. I will be in touch later. Got to run.

  108. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Chip March 24th, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    JAP –

    From John Sickles on Melky…I think it’s probably more objective than either of us: http://www.minorleagueball.com…..sco-giants
    ///

    So, what qualifies John Sickles? A byline?

    A guy who admitted he “flippantly wrote ‘Cabrera sucks’” has found a reason to justify is flippancy?

    I’ve seen a lot more of Cabrera than Sickles. Bylines don’t guarantee anything, Chip. I was “inside” the sports media for over 10 years. There is nothing that a writer or media person “knows” that is necessarily, by definition, trumps that of the fan. They have “contacts”, etc, sure, but they have not, inherently, because they get media jobs, anything that is somehow a better analysis gene than anyone else.

    Sickles has never impressed me, and if I had a conversation with him, I have no doubt I would have a better grasp of what Melky’s hitting tendencies, etc. are than he.

    So I don’t agree, that he has much to illuminate about Melky Cabrera.
    ———————–

    You’re kidding right?

    You don’t actually believe you know more about player evaluation than Sickles right?

    You’re just joking around, trying to get kicks on a Monday?

    That must be the case…good one JAP…well played.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    Primo!!,

    I think you have mail..And no I haven´t met him yet…
    ///

    Just checked, I don’t have email, but no worries. But I got the other one forwarded to me ;)

    So glad to see you here today. Hope the “v” went well that night.

  110. Chip March 24th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Yankeefem -

    Hopefully you see this.

    The difference between what a fan sees and what someone like Sickles (or another evaluator) sees is perspective.

    We root for the Yankees, we want a player like Melky or Cervelli or Warren to be great and so we see greatness. They look at the player from a detached point of view. No bias, no rooting interest, they just see the player warts and all. Are they wrong some times? Of course they are. But more often than not, they are pretty much on the money with their evaluations.

  111. Shame Spencer March 24th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    I wanted to follow up on what he told me just to make sure he isn’t exaggerating and sure enough when you look up Boldenone the first thing that pops up is how it’s often stacked. Smh.

  112. luis March 24th, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    primo,

    i just spoke to jmv…We are having lunch Thursday after one surgery of his

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 24th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    “trisha – Not that I disagree that Yankee fans are loyal.. but the sheer numbers will always have them ranked high in reports like this. The Yankees, while having one of the most loyal fan bases, probably also has the largest bandwagon fanbase in the history of sports lol.”

    Shame, I would agree with you if the report were based on straight totals. But they used averages and percentages here, amongst other metrics.

    For the complete full list, the metrics were average total attendance; average home attendance; average home game ticket price; percentage of stadium capacity filled at home games; Facebook “likes” and “Talking About”; and the Team’s Twitter following.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Chip,

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    But you’ve seen him from the perspective of a guy who wants to see Melky as a Bernie Williams type of player and so, isn’t it possible, that you’re over-estimating him based on your own rooting interest?
    ////

    Can you produce the post in which I said Melky was a comp for Bernie Williams? You won’t find one.

    On the contrary, my “rooting interest” in Melky was preceded by my awareness of his upside, thus my “silly” comment that I projected a .300 BA for him to illustrate having watched over time, and accurately gauged, what the hitter was capable of.

    I have explained to you why Melky’s hit tool hasn’t taken some people by surprise; you, OTOH, have given no substantive argument, other than testosterone use, to try to discredit cold numbers.

    So, apparently, you are the one who has a “rooting (against) interest” that is shaping your opinions. Mine have been well documented, for years, on this site; his tendencies, what I thought his upside would be, etc.

    You are basically stalled at “steroids” and are dragging in “byline support” for your views.

    Mine are not derivative; they’re my own.

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  127. J. Alfred Prufrock March 24th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    And as far as “over estimating” Melky – that’s rich, considering his numbers have exceeded even my expectations/projections.

    Not much else to say on this subject: he will hit .300 this season, if he remains healthy. Let’s watch and see :)

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    ///

    It’s murky waters because some do not credit “scouts” they derive views from, or second generation opinions that they kind of incorporate into their general view, which they don’t necessarily have the ability? inclination? to challenge. OTOH, some reporter may be a former amateur player who is also very sharp about the analysis part of the game and took a reporting job just to stay in the game in some way.

    My whole point is: a byline doesn’t mean anything re ability to interpret talent. Being a good reporter and being a talent evaluator aren’t the same thing, but I think people see a byline and make assumptions that the view is somehow more credit worthy.

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    And when you look at percentages, it doesn’t matter if you have 50 fans or 5000 fans. If you are filling 50% of your stadium, you are. If you’re filling 100%, you are.

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