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Wednesday morning notes: Cervelli wins backup catcher job

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Francisco Cervelli

John Ryan Murphy was optioned to Triple-A yesterday. Austin Romine was optioned this morning. Along the back wall of the Yankees clubhouse, where the top catchers are assigned, there are now only two lockers that haven’t been emptied: Brian McCann and Francisco Cervelli. Barring a trade or injury, Cervelli will be the backup on Opening Day.

“Well, I haven’t told him,” Joe Girardi said. “But he’s about the only one left in camp.”

Of course, you might remember two years ago when it seemed Cervelli had the backup job locked up, only to see the Yankees trade for Chris Stewart in the final days of spring training.

“I’ll tell you in Houston,” Cervelli said. “If I’ve got my luggage in Houston, I’ll be happy.”

Cervelli has the highest batting average, highest slugging percentage, most home runs and most runs scored in camp. He’s also thrown out five of 10 runners trying to steal second base (six of 11 if you count the guy he threw out in minor league camp on Monday). Because he’s out of options and played well last season, Cervelli might have been viewed as a favorite for the backup role heading into camp, but there’s little doubt he’s earned it this spring. The Yankees seem to have little incentive to go looking for a replacement this year.

“I think playing that whole year (in Triple-A in 2012), he really improved,” Girardi said. “I thought he became a better catcher. I thought he improved offensively. I think we saw that improvement in his offense last April, the way he swung the bat. And obviously he’s swung the bat great in spring training. But I think he just matured, grew up, understood the job better and he’s done a great job.”

Girardi said the doesn’t anticipate assigning Cervelli to be one starter’s personal catcher. His playing time, it seems, will be based entirely on when McCann needs a day off.

“We expect Brian to catch a lot, a lot, a lot,” Girardi said. “But if we feel he needs a day off, and it’s maybe it’s two out of nine days or two out of eight days. We want Brian in as much as we can, but we know that Cervy can do a really good job. … He’s been around here. He’s pretty familiar with most of the guys. I’ll just put him in when I feel the day is right.”

Alfonso Soriano· The plan is for Jacoby Ellsbury to play center field in a minor league game this afternoon. That will leave three more major-league spring training games that Ellsbury could play before breaking camp. “Each day we just kind of talk about it, where he’s at, because we want to see where he’s at before we make a decision for the next day,” Girardi said.

· Alfonso Soriano has been dealing with some tightness in his shoulder, but it’s not keeping him out of the lineup. “It’s something that he’s had,” Girardi said. “Players have to work through things. He won’t play tomorrow. He’ll get tomorrow off and then we’ll see how he is (Friday).”

· This is the first time this spring that Derek Jeter has played shortstop in a day game after playing shortstop in a night game the day before. He played a day game after a night game in Panama, but one of those was a DH day. “I try to do it to everybody in spring training,” Girardi said.

· Girardi is now discussing Brendan Ryan as if he’s already on the disabled list. There are two infield bench openings, and Girardi said he hasn’t decided who will fill either of them. Has the field narrowed down at all? “Maybe a little bit,” Girardi said. “But we’re going to have to make a decision pretty quick here because they’re going to have to pack.” Eduardo Nunez, Dean Anna, Yangervis Solarte and Scott Sizemore seem to be the strongest candidates. Zelous Wheeler has also played well, but he has yet to spend a full year in Triple-A, so he seems like the long shot of the options in camp.

· Both David Phelps and Adam Warren will make tomorrow’s road trip to Bradenton to get another turn out of the bullpen. Girardi said he doesn’t feel one is better suited than the other for a one-inning, short-relief role. “I think they both can do it,” Girardi said.

Ivan Nova· Ivan Nova and Michael Pineda are each throwing bullpens today. Ellsbury, McCann and Mark Teixeira are staying in Tampa and taking batting practice at Steinbrenner Field.

· Today’s second string: C Jose Gil, 1B Russ Canzler, 2B Scott Sizemore, SS Eduardo Nunez, 3B Yangervis Solarte, LF Zelous Wheeler, CF Antoan Richardson, RF Adonis Garcia

· Today’s scheduled relievers: Yoshinori Tateyama, Dellin Betances, Preston Claiborne, Jim Miller, Danny Burawa, Matt Daley, Fred Lewis (with Aaron Dott, Pat Venditte and Branden Pinder up from minor league camp just in case the Yankees need them)

· Tomorrow’s travel squad for Bradenton:
Pitchers: Danny Burawa, Cesar Cabral, Shane Greene, David Herndon, Fred Lewis, Jim Miller, Vidal Nuno, David Phelps, CC Sabathia, Yoshinori Tateyama, Adam Warren
Catchers: Jose Gil, Brian McCann
Infielders: Dean Anna, Russ Canzler, Eduardo Nunez, Scott Sizemore, Yangervis Solarte, Mark Teixeira, Zelous Wheeler
Outfielders: Zoilo Almonte, Adonis Garcia, Antoan Richardson, Ichiro Suzuki

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210 Responses to “Wednesday morning notes: Cervelli wins backup catcher job”

  1. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    “Tex is an outstanding defensive 1B, who will hit 20-25 HR and bat about .230. At his age and with this level of production he would be lucky to get 8 mil per year and he sure as he’ll wouldn’t be hitting clean-up.”

    Carlos Pena had a hard time finding a job being a good defense 1B who hit homers and couldn’t do much else….of course Tex hits lefties a lot better than him…..but in 2/3 of the games Tex is pretty much Carlos Pena at this point…….which sucks when he makes 23 million a year.

  2. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    I think I’d shop Romine for bullpen help….you’re not getting a great return for him but maybe some team that needs another catcher would offer up a decent middle reliever type big league arm.

  3. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 4m
    Pirates and starling marte agree on 6-year extension. Includes at least 1 optoon year as well. Pending physical.

  4. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    but in 2/3 of the games Tex is pretty much Carlos Pena at this point…….which sucks when he makes 23 million a year.

    —————–

    Would it be fair to say he’ll go down as of the biggest FA disappointments the Yankees have had?

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    March 26, 2014 at 10:23 am
    Doreen,

    Leyland didn’t cause our total lack of
    Pitching.
    We were never really in that series because we had starters like Wright and A washed up RJ. We were never winning that series.
    ///.
    If the lineup turns on Tex’s left-handed PAs, it will be a long year. He looks like he may have more
    Agility and stay back a little longer, but watching him helpless against changeuPs was too familiar for me. I am done with ST games – so ready for real baseball!

  6. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    alfonso soriano sure seems to enjoy playing baseball and being a yankee.

    seems like he’s always smiling. good for him!

  7. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    one of the biggest***

  8. Mottsx March 26th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Looks like Dino and Solarte are getting looks at 3B. Obviously they don’t want a record number of errors there this year.

  9. RadioKev March 26th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    That’s an awesome photo of Cervelli.

  10. Hankflorida March 26th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    Having Cervelli continue his power numbers whenever he plays his found money, and. It would be nice if Ellsbury becomes the 2011 player to ease the pain of losing Cano like DiMaggio being replaced by Mantle. I think I am being carried away by fantasy but “This is the stuff that dreams are made from.”

  11. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Re-Post:

    Yesterday’s game was again another excellent example of what I’ve been saying for quite awhile–that poor infield can often be negated by superior pitching and even when it’s not, it often doesn’t impact the result of a game as opposed to a poor bullpen.

    Two consecutive real bad errors by Johnson last night. One while he was playing behind 2nd base (I’ll talk more about defensive positioning later). Going to have to keep an eye on Johnson. This is now a red flag. Someone on this board earlier had pointed out it looks like he may have difficulty on hard hit balls down to 3rd base which requires quick reaction time. That was his second error.

    Anyway, the consecutive errors should have led to two runs but led to only one because of a base running mistake. The Yanks lost by six runs last night.

    I’ve been following errors, mis-plays, extra outs and extra runs all Spring Training for the Yanks. And there have been several. But no infield mis-plays (which includes balls not fielded because of apparent insufficient range) has negatively impacted any Yankee game result so far. But early in the season, I believe in first three games, two losses were the direct result of a bullpen blowup.

    I think the relative low impact of poor infield defense comes down to a few things. First the vagaries of the game are such that it’s hard to ever say one single event determines a games ultimate outcome. Second, an infield misplay is usually only one base and one out. Compared to a relief pitcher who comes in with men on base in the eighth and gives up a bases clearing double, it’s just not that significant. And it can occur any time in the game which means it can come early in a game when events generally are not as significant as late game events. And third, and we’ve seen this happen many many times, an infield misplay is a negative event that can easily be negated by superior pitching. You see it all the time. The pitcher nods at the infielder like “I’ve got your back” and promptly gets the next out.

    So that’s it. Johnson is def a red flag to consider. But I’m not sure superior defense at 3b has much of an impact on any game, let alone an entire season. I maintain that the best and really only significant way to improve the current state of the Yankee infield would be to replace their starting SS. But of course, that’s a non-starter.

  12. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    guys like tex, tartabull and giambi turned out not to be worth thier contracts, but not among the worst fa signings. they all contributed at times and played alot.

    jaret wright, ‘shades’ igawa and carl pavano were horrible fa signings.

  13. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    “Would it be fair to say he’ll go down as of the biggest FA disappointments the Yankees have had?”

    uhm…..he did help them win a title so I don’t know that I’d call him the biggest. He had one great season and then a couple of other good ones on the front end of the deal. Production per dollar his contract is terrible……guys like Pavano and Igawa who they got absolutely nothing from were probably worse though.

  14. mick March 26th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Nuney and Dino for now, at least for a month, if Sizemore is ready.
    Sloarte not on 40 means he’s not coming.
    How long before Joe hears drop Tex in the lineup?
    Why bat him 4th when he starts so slow and the wrist is a question?

    It took about a second..

  15. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    J. Al -

    Of course not. :)

    Wang did not pitch as hoped, either. And that’s really the point, “Murderer’s Row and then Cano” couldn’t really help. I always felt that series got sidetracked with the whole rain-delay/rainout scenario.

    Still, I always feel like when Leland goes out of his way to be complimentary, watch out!

  16. 4TrainNorth March 26th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Feel like CC needs to have a statement game on Opening Day. Can he do it?

  17. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Dan,
    I don’t get why you keep coming to the conclusion that because bad defense didn’t cost them one time that it won’t the next time…..or many many times over the course of 162 games. It adds up……sometimes you get away with it…..sometimes you don’t. The next time they give a team an extra out it could lead to a 5 run inning….

  18. mick March 26th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Defense isn’t important anymore?
    Where do you draw the line?

  19. mick March 26th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    Defense doesn’t matter if you get shut out like last night.

  20. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    If the Yankee pitching staff has to get 29 or 30 outs a game because of poor infield D then that’s going to be a problem…..they might get away with it some nights….even most nights but over the course of the season it’ll cost them a few games….and a few games could be the difference in making and not making the playoffs. A lot of other things could be the difference too……but right now for me the real achilles heal of this club remains the left side of their infield until Roberts gets hurt…..and then it’ll be the whole infield.

  21. UpState March 26th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    “I pity the fool who uses “The A-Team” as a nickname”
    =======================================

    Anything Carton says (regardless of it’s potential accuracy or interest) is always immediately discounted due to him saying it.

    Stupid name.
    Stupid source.

    (surprised that Boomer hasn’t thrown him in the river yet !)

    He’s awful.
    Put him with the huge NYY-hater Steve Sommers and keep them together forever….get Boomer somebody decent

    So many people I know ‘can’t stand him’ !

    Who actually likes this clod ?

    (WFAN management I’m guessing)

    repost

  22. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 10:40 am

    Either Jeet needs to start sac bunting out of the 2 hole, or he and Gardner change places in the batting order.

  23. mick March 26th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Carton is a train wreck but Boomer is as boring as Carton is crazy.

  24. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    If the offense is better than last year (and you wonder how it could be worse), then an error here or there won’t derail the pitching.

    But from what I recall, last season the pitcher had to be so careful because they knew they weren’t going to get that 3-run HR, or any cushion at all, and every run given up was like 10 somehow. And I did see more than a few games where pitchers who thought they were out of innings get a bit rattled by an error that extended the inning. Perhaps if the mental aspect of the game isn’t as taut this season, it won’t be as bad a situation.

    Also, especially towards the end of the season, when the weather is hot, and pitchers are tiring, it’s not great for them to have to throw an additional number of pitches when the inning should have been over. Even great pitching is at risk if the errors are too frequent.

    What got me last night, on the one play I saw with Kelly at third, is that ball looked like an easy play, right to him, not too hard-hit, but went right through his legs. At this point we have no choice but to hope it was just one of those things that happens in baseball from time to time.

  25. 86w183 March 26th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    If/when Roberts gets hurt the infield defense will probably improve.

    The infield defense at SS and 3B is a major weakness in terms of range, but they will make few errors which offsets it somewhat.

    The question is will the Yanks make defensive substitutions in late game situations?

  26. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    A-Rod will earn nearly $2.9M in 2014 because players paid over 183 days, not 162. Players objected and are driving revisions, sources say.

  27. 4TrainNorth March 26th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    It’s going to be painful at times watching Jeter grind his way through this season.

  28. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Sophisticated defensive positioning is changing the game in a major way. This is the most important change in the game in the last 15 years or so. Maybe in the last 50. Since the mound was lowered.

    The end of the steroid era, combined with the greater and more sophisticated use of defensive positioning, is leading to a steady decline in run production, and especially a decline in batting averages. Tex is like a perfect example. Watching him bat left-handed last night leads me to believe that unless he takes advantage of what the shift is offering him, he’s going to hit about .200 left-handed. When you factor in lower slugging due to age and the effects of his wrist injury, this is going to get ugly pretty fast.

    Offenses are going to have to adjust. Maybe we’ll need some turn of the “inside game” players developed in the minors leagues. “Hit ‘em where they ain’t” types. In an earlier post, I talked about the increase in the value of Non-Defined Hitters. Hitters who’s distribution of batted balls cannot be defined and therefore are not susceptible to defensive positioning to the same degree as a Defined Hitter. I think this is something that needs to be incorporated in player development. Taught in the minors leagues or at least encouraged. Zoilo seems to have that quality.

    Oh, as an aside. A note to TV directors. Before an at bat, the camera should pan the defense routinely to show defensive positioning. That is now become a critical part of watching and understanding the game.

  29. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    “If/when Roberts gets hurt the infield defense will probably improve.”

    how? Roberts is a better defender when healthy than any of the back up guys

  30. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:38 am
    If the Yankee pitching staff has to get 29 or 30 outs a game because of poor infield D then that’s going to be a problem….

    ———————

    The offense will have to be better to overcome the bad D, more likely. As long as this team can keep scoring 5-6 runs per game they should be okay.. last year’s team scored about 4 per game.

  31. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    funny, on Sunday, Suzyn was talking about how great the infield looked and the very next day i read comments about how bad the defense looks.

    She is clueless.

  32. 86w183 March 26th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    In over 900 career games Kelly Johnson is a ..982 fielder.

    He’s not winning any Gold Gloves and range is certainly an issue, but the Yanks wont turn into a error-prone team all of a sudden. All four projected starters have proven themselves to be sure-handed major league defenders.

  33. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    “If the offense is better than last year (and you wonder how it could be worse), then an error here or there won’t derail the pitching.”

    what’s our bar here though? Last year they won 85 games and should have won like 78 according to their production….they weren’t a good team last year at all. So are we merely trying to be better than last year or are we trying to win the WS?

    I like the lineup and I like the rotation…..but I don’t think either are good enough to overcome a lot of problems in other areas. As Ive said many times….this is a ground ball rotation…..a rotation that has to get lots of ground ball outs to have success……not sure that meshes all that well will the defense they have.

    They have great outfield D, bad infield D, and a bunch of pitchers that don’t K a ton and need ground ball outs to have success. It could end up making a really good pitching staff look closer to average……

  34. 86w183 March 26th, 2014 at 10:51 am

    blake —

    I was typing tongue in cheek I should know better… it doesn’t translate well in writing.

  35. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    the errors by johnson are worrisome. If these guys can just handle all the balls they can get to and make the plays, they should be ok. but if they start flubbing the ones they can get to, that will cause problems, imo.

  36. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    I really hope Roberts can stay healthy….I think he’s a bigger key to the season than it may seem because IMO he’s a lot better at 2B than anybody else they can put out there. He’s a good defender and he’s a tough out…..he grinds ABs. If he can play 140 games that will really help……it’s a giant if though.

  37. blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:53 am

    sorry 86….

  38. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    blake March 26th, 2014 at 10:36 am
    Dan,
    I don’t get why you keep coming to the conclusion that because bad defense didn’t cost them one time that it won’t the next time…..or many many times over the course of 162 games. It adds up……sometimes you get away with it…..sometimes you don’t. The next time they give a team an extra out it could lead to a 5 run inning….

    ——-

    Blake, it’s just a theory and of course I could be wrong. One of the things I’ve noticed with the general increase in baseball analysis is a general lack of study in the area of what events impact a game or how different player values impact an entire team or even a season. This goes back to some of my discussions of baseball as a complex system. One of my problems with WAR is that it seems to suggest that a 4 WAR player will be a 4 WAR player for any team he plays on and I think that’s just not true.

    I have giving some reasons for what I feel is the basis for my belief that poor infield defense generally doesn’t matter that much so long as your pitching is superior. I’m going to watch how this plays out over the year. But right now, it’s really just a theory without any substantial empirical support.

  39. raymagnetic March 26th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Giambi gets a bad rep but if Tex were putting up Giambi type numbers nobody would be complaining.

    Giambi had two bad years. Every other year he put up at least an .870 OPS.

  40. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 10:52 am
    the errors by johnson are worrisome. If these guys can just handle all the balls they can get to and make the plays, they should be ok. but if they start flubbing the ones they can get to, that will cause problems, imo.

    ————–

    If Johnson and Nunez are ever fielding the left side together, be prepared to throw things. Balls hit right at either are not sure things.

    I’ve obviously seen a lot more of Nunez than Johnson at this point, and I still can’t believe no one has taught (or he can’t seem to figure out) how to square up a ball hit directly at him. He’s always trying to grab it from some side angle.

  41. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 10:56 am

    He had one great season and then a couple of other good ones on the front end of the deal.

    —————-

    Yea it’s just a shame. He was being counted on as a guy tha would be a force for at least have of the contract.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    J. Al -

    Of course not. :)

    Wang did not pitch as hoped, either. And that’s really the point, “Murderer’s Row and then Cano” couldn’t really help. I always felt that series got sidetracked with the whole rain-delay/rainout scenario.

    Still, I always feel like when Leland goes out of his way to be complimentary, watch out!
    ///

    Leyland grew a bit less sand-bagging and more to the point in later years, when he said “Cano’s the guy in that lineup you worry about…”

    We didn’t have pitching, really, after Andy left. It’s a shame Wells broke down for 2003 and we had to play our away games in that ballpark. 2004, despite all the things that could have gone right that just suddenly went wrong (if one had gone right – we probably win that series), it boiled down to simply having no one to throw Game 7, no LHP to get out their LHB, even though the record books show that we had a 3-0 lead – which we were probably a little lucky to have in the first place- and that the series went 7. Those years from 2005-2008 (including how 2008 injuries just sunk us; Joba’s from a pitching perspective was a death knell) we were always living in fear of ball being drilled and splitting the OFs. I know I sure was.

  43. RadioKev March 26th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    This is a fun Fangraphs article about the Sydney Cricket Grounds park factor: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....et-ground/

  44. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    Other than a 3 month summer job, I have never been a member of a union so union strength is not a hot button for me but I do wonder if the players are getting anything back for their JDA concessions or if they are just voluntarily weakening their negotiating position.

  45. Hankflorida March 26th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    But from what I recall, last season the pitcher had to be so careful because they knew they weren’t going to get that 3-run HR,

    Doreen, “There’s the rub!” The era of the three run homer for the Yankees is over as it did not work well in the the playoffs. The question remains that without it, will the team even get to to the dance floor. I would prefer to have a team like in 2012 with this pitching staff, and once we get to the playoffs, let our pitching take over.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Giambi had his uses, and he saved us (as Mussina and Mo did from the pitching side) in 2003 Game 7. But he threw the ball into CF a fair amount and couldn’t make decent throws home, either.

    If he’d have been healthy in 2004, maybe we win that series after all.

  47. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    “I have giving some reasons for what I feel is the basis for my belief that poor infield defense generally doesn’t matter that much so long as your pitching is superior. I’m going to watch how this plays out over the year. But right now, it’s really just a theory without any substantial empirical support.”

    I think we had an example last year in the Tigers where they had probably the best rotation in baseball…..just dominant 1,2,3 starters….the best hitter in baseball and a good offense and yet they only won 93 games and got knocked out in the ALCS in part because of their defense.

    How many games in the poor infield D cost the Tigers in 2013? There is no way to know for sure but how did they only win 93 games with that rotation and lineup in the AL central?

    The Yankees rotation isn’t as good or dominant as the Tigers is……

  48. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    A few other notes from last night:

    –Jeter hit two balls in the air against a right-hander. Is that the first time he’s done that this spring? One was even a hit.

    –It doesn’t seem like McCann is going to be much help in defending the running game. Arm looks weak and his release doesn’t seem particularly quick.

    –I don’t think Nuno is a relief pitcher. Not sure Phelps is either.

  49. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    blake,

    I really don’t look at the “shoulda won” x games based on production. The fact is they did win 85 games even with a very sketchy team. The fact is that those guys worked hard and rose to the occasion enough to keep the Yankees in the running for a good part of the season. Major failure in the end (once Gardner went down, it was all done), there was nothing left in reserve. I won’t denigrate last year’s team.

    Of course you want to be able to win the WS.

    And I did go on to say that defense will make an impact on the pitching if it’s more than just an error here or there, and if the offense is as bad as it was last year overall, which gave no margin for error for the pitching, which was very very good most of the year.

    Dan, I think if they pitching is strikeout-oriented defense might not be as important, but this looks to be a staff that is going to be reliant on the ground ball oftentimes. And that, while of course we’ll have to wait and see how it unfolds, is a potentially precarious situation.

  50. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    I think it’s just that the non PED players are calling the shots in the union and they want harsher penalties for those caught. They’re not looking at this as a united union but as a union who has alot of players cheating the others out of money (as the non ped players see it)

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    “The best lineup I’ve seen in my life,” Baltimore catcher Ramon Hernandez said. “When the No. 2 hitter in the league is hitting ninth, that’s telling you something.”

    Murderer’s Row and Cano

    Which tells you that your offense can be the bomb but if you don’t have the pitching you’re not going to win, hmmm?

    “They showed that good pitching can stop good hitting,” Yankees manager Joe Torre said of the Tigers.

    What???? Say it’s not so, Joe.

    *****************************

    All of that said, the Yankees won their first game and only lost the second by one run. That was the year that Torre decided to be bullied into using Gary Sheffield in the postseason because he decided that he wanted to be there, despite being out for a large part of the season. He sat the kids who brought them there.

    And Game 3 is the one where Rogers cheated using pine tar on the ball.

    The Yankees should have been able to win with Wang, Mussina, and Johnson at the top of their rotation.

    But that was then, and this is now.

    They didn’t have the days off in between that they do now. If they did, Wang would have pitched game 4.

  52. mick March 26th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    The end of the steroid era, combined with the greater and more sophisticated use of defensive positioning, is leading to a steady decline in run production, and especially a decline in batting averages.
    =============================
    The steroid era is over?
    It’s just beginning with new ways to beat the system, if there is one.

  53. Hankflorida March 26th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Dan, I think if they pitching is strikeout-oriented defense might not be as important, but this looks to be a staff that is going to be reliant on the ground ball oftentimes. And that, while of course we’ll have to wait and see how it unfolds, is a potentially precarious situation.

    Doreen, this staff does look like the pitching that the Yankees used to have during their championship runs from the the 1930′s to the 60′s of ground ball pitchers according to my old eyes.

  54. CountryClub March 26th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 8m
    Romine-Murphy in SWB was not unexpected. But I haven’t heard one person the last week who thinks this should be a straight platoon…

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 7m
    …thought is that Murphy should be the starter and regular catcher. I don’t agree. I think Romine has a lot to offer.

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 7m
    I also think Romine would really benefit by playing every day. He really hasn’t in, what, three seasons?

    Donnie Collins ?@RailRidersTT 5m
    I like Murphy a lot, and he can pull off DH in games Romine catches. But to use Romine like Bobby Wilson was used last year? Can’t see it.

  55. sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    It will be better for JR Murphy to get consistent reps in the minors than be a backup to McCann.

  56. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    J. Al -

    It seems like in the last several playoff series for our Yankees, one lousy single not being hit has been the killer. Little things here and there that could have turned any of those series our way. And some big things (not having Andy or Wells, for instance). It bothered me that players who, during the season, would “settle” for a single were obviously swinging for the fences, seeing visions of WS MVP in their head, when that single would have accomplished the same thing. and that it seemed contagious!

    (BTW, I wasn’t highlighting the Cano part of Leland’s quip, just the quip itself.)

    Hank in Florida, maybe I’m delusional, but I think there may be more HRs this season than we think. Certainly not the number there were in those heady days not-so-long ago, but representative. the Yankees problem has been situational hitting in the most recent years, and I’m hoping this bunch will serve them better in this aspect.

  57. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    The draft pick compensation system this year may have cost players more money than PED players have. Work changing that into increased penalties for PED use and then the union gets a return for concessions.

  58. 86w183 March 26th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    The MLBPA was the strongest union in sports, but I agree with Ys guy that the union is fractured over this issue.

    I’m stunned they agreed to what they did in the CBA. Too many substances banned and the whole Bio-Genesis thing should never have happened. Having testing and penalties is fine, but green-lighting the Commissioner’s office to buy documents and testimony to gather evidence to punish players who didn’t test positive for anything goes too far.

  59. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    I have discovered through heavy facebook and twitter research that all Food will kill you so it’s best to just not eat.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Doreen, in that series Wang was the only one to win. Mussina lost a squeaker, and that’s where the kids could have made the difference. That was the game where Sheffield went 0-4 in cleanup and Rodriguez was dropped to 6th.

    Pliss poor managing to even let Sheffield anywhere near the postseason because he hadn’t done anything to earn it. If you remember he was the one who announced he would decide when he would play again in the regular season, and he wasn’t going to play until he was ready. Meanwhile Matsui publicly apologized to his fans for getting hurt.

    Sheffield had 151 AB in the regular season. By comparison, Jeter had 623.

    GRRR!!!

    As I said, 2006 bothers me more than any other season in the game.

    :mad:

  61. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    “Dan, I think if they pitching is strikeout-oriented defense might not be as important, but this looks to be a staff that is going to be reliant on the ground ball oftentimes. And that, while of course we’ll have to wait and see how it unfolds, is a potentially precarious situation.”
    —–

    Obviously strike outs are the best type of outs to get if your infield defense is poor but I don’t think that will make much of a difference if your pitchers are good. For example, if Johnson makes an error with CC dealing on the mound, the next batter will hit a ball to Johnson or Jeter and there’s probably a 97% chance it will be fielded cleanly. This isn’t Sunday morning beer ball. Johnson made two consecutive errors last night. That most likely won’t happenagain this coming season unless he turns into Rich McKinney.

    Now, if it’s Hughes on the mound, that extra out might mean something. Like a two run homer. If you are a superior pitcher you get outs easily. By strike out or otherwise.

  62. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    trisha, that always bothered me that they went with sheffield there, in an unfamiliar role, to boot. And I agree that Mussina, Wang and Johnson should have been enough pitching. I think the game Verlander pitched against Mussina though was the turning point (that was the game that was re-scheduled and wasn’t’ there the whole shadow thing because the start time of the game, plus the Tigers were saying the Yankees didn’t keep them advised about the rain situation?)

  63. sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    Is there a quote of Joe Torre discussing the complacency he developed in the latter stage of his Yankees tenure?

  64. mick March 26th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    it’s best to just not eat.
    =============
    that will def. kill you..

  65. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    I think it’s just that the non PED players are calling the shots in the union and they want harsher penalties for those caught. They’re not looking at this as a united union but as a union who has alot of players cheating the others out of money (as the non ped players see it)”

    yup….I think the clean players are tired of being punished by association with the not clean players and they are finally taking some action.

  66. sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    How many times did Robinson Cano come up to the plate in a key situation in postseasons past and fail to get the job done? Too many.

  67. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Doreen,
    fair enough…..I hope I am over stating the problem and it’s not enough of one to cost them. We shall see.

  68. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    uh oh if you believe in the SI cover curse……

    Yankees
    Welcome to The Show. Masahiro Tanaka graces the cover of @SInow. pic.twitter.com/TKbwrCnkhz

  69. CountryClub March 26th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    yup….I think the clean players are tired of being punished by association with the not clean players and they are finally taking some action.

    —————

    And i think, unlike in the PED heyday, there are more non-users than users. They have the stronger voice right now.

  70. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Trisha,

    Yes, my mind is refreshed – Wang did win the first game. I think his second start was not so good?

    Dan,

    I think the infield will be better than what is feared, but still something to keep an eye on. You do have to count on your pitchers being mentally tough; but there will be times, of course, that even superior pitchers end up having to face Miguel Cabrera, let’s say, with a guy on first that was supposed to be in the dugout.

  71. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    It’s just beginning with new ways to beat the system, if there is one.

    ——————

    Conte’s outlined how the testing works pretty well. The guys getting caught are the guys that are dumb. When you can take testosterone hours before a game and come back negative on a test, the system is cosmetic at best.

  72. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    pat -

    NOOOOO!!!!!

  73. mick March 26th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    The steroid era won’t begin to end till players start getting kicked out.
    With regularity.

  74. Jason Voorhees March 26th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 11:15 am
    How many times did Robinson Cano come up to the plate in a key situation in postseasons past and fail to get the job done? Too many.
    ——————————————————-
    Sometimes he was great, and sometimes he was awful. It happens. That’s baseball. Not everyone is Beltran in the postseason.

  75. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 11:21 am

    blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:16 am
    Doreen,
    fair enough…..I hope I am over stating the problem and it’s not enough of one to cost them. We shall see.

    —————-

    Where the issue will be magnified is the home stretch and playoffs. Those games end up being really tight and the little things separate the teams moving on from those going home.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    (BTW, I wasn’t highlighting the Cano part of Leland’s quip, just the quip itself.)
    ///

    Nor was I, my point is that Leyland went from sandbagging us, to being straight-forward when he gauged the lineup a few years later.

    Leyland likes the talk, but nothing he said or could say changed the fact that we couldn’t pitch. When I heard people jump for joy that we drew Detroit, I was not. I felt our SP was extremely weak. We were down 3-0, 4-0 early in games; the lineup never had a chance.

    I remember Posada, weary, responding with “You guys keep saying ‘the lineup, the lineup’…but if you don’t pitch…”

    Leyland and the Tigers knew our pitching sucked.

  77. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    BTW, full disclosure. I have Ivan Nova on my fantasy team. I did not want to take any Yankees, because I believe I am a jinx, but there wasn’t a lot left at the point I took him on. I took Pujols the year he was not very good and got hurt. I took Kershaw the lone year he was pedestrian. I took Strassburg last season, also pedestrian. I took the Marlins guy (name escapes me) – the hitter – he also did not have a very good year for me. I took Alfonso Soriano, he started out slow, so I dropped him and he got much better.

    So, I promise if Nova gets off to a slow start I will either bury him on my bench or drop him altogether!

  78. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    A divided union is the worst roadblock against meaningful progress. Why worry about the penalties when they could try to improve the testing…?

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    Doreen, Wang never got to pitch again because they didn’t have the off days they have now, so it would have been too soon.

    :(

  80. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:26 am

    “BTW, full disclosure. I have Ivan Nova on my fantasy team. I did not want to take any Yankees, because I believe I am a jinx, but there wasn’t a lot left at the point I took him on.”

    I have Jeter (reached big time to ensure I got him), McCann, Tanaka, Kuroda, Gardner and Nova.

  81. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    oh and I also have should be Yankee Robinson Cano

  82. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    J. Al -

    It shouldn’t have stunk though. But it did, and that’s a fact. And their pitching was stronger. I never hope for a particular team in the post-season. “Be careful what you wish for” is I how approach it. Same thing happened with Cleveland the following year. Yankees beat them up all season long. Playoffs is a fresh season.

  83. mick March 26th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    There will always be ways around the testing.
    Baseball might be worried that if they caught too many superstars the popularity of the game would suffer.

  84. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Not everyone is Beltran in the postseason.

    Ask Met fans what they most remember about Beltran in the postseason. All players have good and bad moments if given enough chances.

  85. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    trisha -

    Thanks – I am very bad at recalling details of things. I usually don’t try! LOL

  86. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    “Ask Met fans what they most remember about Beltran in the postseason. All players have good and bad moments if given enough chances.”

    that’s because Mets fans are dummies…..Beltran had an OPS over 1 in that series that they remember. They wouldn’t have even gotten to that moment without him.

  87. RadioKev March 26th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    I have no Yanks on my team. In fact the only two AL East players I have are Chris Archer and Ubaldo Jimenez. Thinking of picking up Pineda, tho.

  88. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:29 am

    blake -

    I sure hope you are a good luck charm!

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Doreen,

    Nate Robertson basically was the only soft touch in that rotation.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    …and I didn’t have to look that up :)

  91. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Doreen,
    me too…..I always have lots of Yankees though.

  92. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    my fantasty offense.

    McCann C
    Posey C
    Ortiz 1B
    Cano 2B
    Jeter SS
    Machado 3B
    Trout LF
    McCutchen CF
    J. Upton RF
    Gardner OF
    Headley 3B
    Profar UT

  93. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Forbes: Yankees worth $2.5B

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 11:28 am

    J. Al -

    It shouldn’t have stunk though. But it did, and that’s a fact. And their pitching was stronger. I never hope for a particular team in the post-season. “Be careful what you wish for” is I how approach it. Same thing happened with Cleveland the following year. Yankees beat them up all season long. Playoffs is a fresh season.
    //

    eh, it wasn’t going to be good enough. We just didn’t have real arms, we had washed up and suspect arms, we had prayer arms.

    I agree we had a better shot vs. Cleveland (we also had Andy Pettitte back!), and the midges were surreal, as was Joe not taking his team off the field :roll:

    Ah, well…

  95. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    “Forbes: Yankees worth $2.5B”

    Forbes: Yankees say they can’t afford Drew lol

  96. CountryClub March 26th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Maury Brown ?@BizballMaury 7m
    Dodgers projected to have player payroll of $235,295,219. Yankees $202,812,506, Phillies $180,052,723. Roster change by Sun possible

  97. RadioKev March 26th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Wow. Are you playing in a 4 team league, Blake? That’s pretty good.

    In my 12-team I’ve got:

    Ramos C
    Goldschmidt 1B
    Kipnis 2B
    Donaldson 3B
    Andrus SS
    Gomez OF
    Granderson OF
    Moss OF
    Abreu Util
    Aoki Util
    Lowrie BN
    Moustakas BN
    Castellanos BN

  98. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Blake

    Many Met fans are not different than many Yankee fans in that regard. They remember the failures more than the successes.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    that’s because Mets fans are dummies…..Beltran had an OPS over 1 in that series that they remember. They wouldn’t have even gotten to that moment without him.
    ///

    That Beltran caught looking was burned into their brains and that’s all they saw.

    But Met fans are no dumber than our fans, I would say. Many of the Cano comments can attest to that.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    And for the sake of accuracy, the Yankees in the 2006 series were not down 3-0 or 4-0 in the first two games. They led the entire way the first game, with Wang on the mound, and were ahead 3-1 with Mussina on the mound. They only lost that game 4-3. So maybe if 0 for 4 Sheffield weren’t in the game and the kids who played all season were, it could have made a difference. It definitely would have made a difference going to Detroit up 2 games because even if we lost the next two, Wang would have gotten the ball for the deciding game at home.

    So really poor managerial decisions didn’t help out postseason in 2006.

    That said, have a great day y’all!

    I’m really looking forward to this season. I believe we have a lot of excitement in store!

    :)

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    So, I promise if Nova gets off to a slow start I will either bury him on my bench or drop him altogether!
    ///

    Haha, no worries. I think Vato’s too good to jinx. This year is his official coming out party :)

  102. Jason Voorhees March 26th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Some credit should be given to Wainwright. That was a sick curveball.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    “trisha -

    Thanks – I am very bad at recalling details of things. I usually don’t try! LOL”

    Doreen, I lose a lot of detail too but when something sticks in my craw the way 2006 did, it’s hard for me to forget!

    (By the way, I didn’t have every detail in memory. I looked up the scores of the games, etc.!)

  104. sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Cano failed much more in the postseason than he succeeded. David Ortiz, he is not.

  105. RadioKev March 26th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Jason Voorhees March 26th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Some credit should be given to Wainwright. That was a sick curveball.
    ———–

    A friend of mine is still to this day scarred by that curveball.

  106. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:36 am
    “Forbes: Yankees worth $2.5B”

    Forbes: Yankees say they can’t afford Drew lol

    —————

    Yachts are expensive man saving every little bit counts

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:46 am

    We were down 3-0, 4-0 early in games; the lineup never had a chance.
    ///

    See where I never said “the first two games” here? It really does help to read people’s posts.

    I was actually at the home games, and actually have not rushed off to look things up on Wiki or where ever you went. I actually remember stuff because I’m a Yankee fan and I pay attention.

    Joe Torre’s calls in 2006 had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome: we never had a chance against the Tigers.

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Although I thought it was a bad call to not play Melky, and Joe later said so himself. Not that we would have survived, we had no pitching.

  109. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    Avg. Team Worth $811 million (up 9% from last year)
    Avg. MLB players salary- $4.5 million

  110. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    “Wow. Are you playing in a 4 team league, Blake? That’s pretty good.”

    it’s a 10 team league….it’s a keeper league though and Trout, Posey, Cano, Upton, Machaco, and Mcutchen were keepers for me……my pitching sucks.

    I got Trout and Machado through my fantasy farm system and traded for the rest over the years…..I traded Fernandez for Posey last year :(

  111. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    Many of the Cano comments can attest to that.

    ——————

    Most of that is ppl talking to themselves just trying to start trouble on the blog.

  112. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    “But Met fans are no dumber than our fans, I would say. Many of the Cano comments can attest to that.”

    Yea….a lot of Yankee fans have forgotten that Cano almost single handedly beat Texas in the 201) ALCS and was great against Detroit in 2012 as well. Cano had a .912 slg % against the Rangers in 2010

  113. blake March 26th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    2011 I mean…..everyone sucked against the Tigers in 2012

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    Odds,

    :roll:

  115. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    Even after kicking in $95 million towards the league’s 34% local revenue sharing pool and their $64 million PILOT bond payments for Yankee Stadium last season, the Bronx Bombers led the league in revenue ($461 million). But there is clearly pressure on the Yankees to regain their form on their diamond: the team finished in fourth place in the AL East last season and missed the postseason for only the second time since 1994. A drop in ticket revenue last season resulted in overall revenue falling by $10 million from 2012, and in November Moody’s lowered their outlook on the bonds from positive to stable while leaving its investment grade rating unchanged.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mi.....ium=social

  116. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:53 am
    Odds,

    ——————

    It’s quite hilarious. They are sometimes even disagreeing with themselves. You have to have a lot of time on your hands to do that.

  117. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    the yankees and tigers and rangers and mets and others can all afford drew.

    none of them consider him worth the cost.

  118. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    - 2 BREAK-OUT MUST HAVE FANTASY PLAYERS -

    (1) MATT ADAMS (STL)

    (2) LEONYS MARTIN (TEXAS)

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    Mussina, Wang and Johnson is certainly not my idea of no pitching. And I did read.

    “We were down 3-0, 4-0 early in games; the lineup never had a chance.”

    “In games” is pretty vague. Maybe you should have checked the stats because although I’m sure you have an outstanding memory, I somehow don’t think you remember everything back to 2006 – even if you were at the games.

    And I see you’ve chosen to gloss right over Kenny Rogers pine tar game, though our pitching certainly fell apart that game.

    And you have no way of knowing whatsoever what would have happened in a 4-3 game if Sheffield hadn’t been in there and Melky was.

    It’s possible it would have ended up with a Game 5 back at the Stadium with Wang pitching.

    So it’s not as open and shut as you seem to make it.

    But it’s past so there’s no way of knowing anything beyond what we do. Sheffield should never have played, Rodriguez should never have been dropped in the lineup, and Torre should have asked MLB to intervene in the pine tar game.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Yea….a lot of Yankee fans have forgotten that Cano almost single handedly beat Texas in the 201) ALCS and was great against Detroit in 2012 as well. Cano had a .912 slg % against the Rangers in 2010
    ///

    Yep. And calling a guy unclutch who put up the high leverage numbers he did last year is just an admission of dumbness. I think what Derek had to say to Michael Kay (and probably about Michael Kay’s anti-Cano shilling, was the real money. Derek Jeter, knows a thing or two about Robinson Cano, I would say.

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 26th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    If anyone has further predictions, I’ll get them later.

    Good day y’all.

    :)

  122. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Steve (different one) says:

    March 26, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Trading Cervelli is a very tricky proposition because there is a small, but non-zero, chance that he is actually a pretty good player. His major league record is pretty decent, BUT almost impossible to analyze because it is made up of a series of small samples over 5 years, and his most recent (too small) samples from last year and ST point to a starting quality catcher. We don’t really know what he really is yet. Here is what we do know:

    Cervelli has proven he can take an occasional walk in the majors
    Cervelli is not slow for a catcher
    He had shown a much improved throwing arm recently
    He grades out well in the pitch framing stuff (SSS)
    He has shown much improved power of late (SSS)
    He was tied to PEDs
    He is at the age where players tend to start hitting peaks

    I don’t really know the answer. I *think*, since his floor is a useful backup that would be an asset to the 2014 Yankees, I would hold on to him and see if he continues this “breakout”. If he does, you could really cash that in. If he doesn’t, you still have a solid reserve player. If he gets hurt, you passed on what is likely a very moderate return. Let’s let it ride….

    ——

    This is a comment from someone over at RAB. I think it’s good expression of what I was saying about Cervelli a few days ago. It concludes that it makes no sense to trade Cervelli now for the price of a BUC.

    I’m convinced that teams trying to trade for Cervelli now will use him as a starter, at least for awhile. If he turns out to be the player he’s shown to be in recent SSSs, a young starting catcher who can hit, they will have reaped the benefits of Cervelli’s true value while paying a discount price. The Yanks shouldn’t accept that contingency by trading Cervelli now for anything less than a starting catcher price. If that means holding on to Cervelli this season, so be it.

  123. pat March 26th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    In 1992, the average baseball team was worth $110 million, according to the Economic History of Major League Baseball, meaning team values have increased seven-fold, or at a 9.8% compound annual rate since Selig became interim boss.

    …….. the average NFL team value was $129 million in 1992 compared with $1.17 billion today. Football’s 10.5% annual rate of return beats Bud. But the NBA and NHL fall short. The average basketball team has increased at an 8.8% annualized rate since 1992, to $634 million. Hockey team values have increased 9.1% annually, to an average of $413 million.

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:59 am

    blake, speaking of Jeter, good stuff on the Captain’s stick. I’m not worried about him coming around at the plate, nor would I move him down in the order. If his legs feel strong, he’ll hit.

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    Cervelli’s power surge has been fun.

  126. blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    “blake, speaking of Jeter, good stuff on the Captain’s stick. I’m not worried about him coming around at the plate, nor would I move him down in the order. If his legs feel strong, he’ll hit.”

    I do as well….I don’t know to what extent but he’ll be productive at the plate. I really think Ideally they should try to give him at least a couple of days a week off from playing SS though…..probably 1 full day off a week and then 1 DH day against a lefty

  127. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    In a 10 team league made up of both AL and NL players, it’s pointless to have Keepers and minor league players. Every team is compromised of All Star players, and the free agent pool is full of established Star players. You guys need to get out of the shallow end of the pool. You’re kidding yourselves.

  128. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    random thoughts, Is David Wright the best positional player in NY baseball in 14?

  129. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    This is a comment from someone over at RAB. I think it’s good expression of what I was saying about Cervelli a few days ago. It concludes that it makes no sense to trade Cervelli now for the price of a BUC.

    ———————

    But how do you propose the Yankees trade him as a starter when he won’t get the chance to start…?

  130. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Ah, I now remember. That first game against Detroit was so good, I was watching the post-game show on an infinite loop! Hopes were definitely high at that point.

  131. blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    “random thoughts, Is David Wright the best positional player in NY baseball in 14?”

    uhm…..yes

  132. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    I’d love to trade Cervelli at starter value.. but what is the likelihood his value rises as opposed to sinks? I’m honestly not sure. If they play him vs. LHP, it isn’t like you’re going to trick any GM into think that’s a result of anything other than splits, right?

    He’s a BUC that might be capable of starting (though he has no history of doing so).. and he likely doesn’t get the chance to prove he can this year. Meanwhile, we’re going to have two guys – one of which is a legit prospect in JR Murphy – splitting time with Romine who is probably another career BUC in the making.

  133. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    wright is so streaky. he is the best position player when he’s hitting, but when he’s not, he’s a strikeout machine.

    mets could go after the alltime strikeout record with this year’s team.

  134. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    “random thoughts, Is David Wright the best positional player in NY baseball in 14?”

    uhm…..yes

    —————-

    Everyone made fun of me for wanting David Wright lol…. I know it woulda cost an arm and a leg but I f*cking love David Wright.

  135. sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    If given the choice, I’d rather the Yankees have Dusty Pedroia than Cano.

  136. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    If I’m going to trade Cervelli, I package him with Phelps and do something on a larger scale.

  137. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Mets got a sweet deal on Wright, 8 for 138 and he won’t get all of it til 2025…

  138. blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    I love some D Wright too…..he is kinda streaky but who is better than him in NY right now? Maybe Ellsbury if 100%…..maybe McCann? I’d rather have Wright than any other position player in NY at the moment.

  139. pat March 26th, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    “random thoughts, Is David Wright the best positional player in NY baseball in 14?”

    Ellsbury better give him a run for the money on that or the Yankees have been had.

  140. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    Bearing in mind that Both players have trouble staying on the field, I go with Ells over Wright. You can do Many different things with Ells.

  141. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    i dont think they can afford to lose phelps. to me he is still their #6 starter. I dont trust nuno as a starter (not really in the bp yet either) the likelihood that they will need the #6 starter is very high on this team.

    on top of that cervelli is alot better than romine or murphy and will play 50 games or mor this year (and that’s assuming no injuries to mccann). the payoff for letting him go has to be high to make up for the potential dropoff to the next catcher.

  142. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    RE Ellsbury, Pat, I think it’s possible but unlikely.

  143. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    wright did cheat himself out of $50M or more.

  144. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Wonder what was going down to provoke that expression on Cervelli’s face at the top of this Thread?

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    I do as well….I don’t know to what extent but he’ll be productive at the plate. I really think Ideally they should try to give him at least a couple of days a week off from playing SS though…..probably 1 full day off a week and then 1 DH day against a lefty
    ///

    He seems more amenable to such things at this point. I think he realizes now he’s not invulnerable.

  146. austinmac March 26th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Dan,

    An error is equal to a single for the most part. When it is made, which includes many factors, determines the importance. If an infielder does not get to thirty balls others get to, he will have to get thirty hits more to equalize in value.

    In reality, I believe requiring a pitcher to get extra outs over the course of a season will harm the pitcher and the pen over the course of a year. I must disagree with your defense is unimportant.

  147. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    I’m not really for or against trading Cervelli… I just don’t know that there’s anyway to get the return people are looking for. It’s fine to hang onto him but let Romine get used to playing BUC time in AAA, don’t have him split with JR.

  148. Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    so who’s playing those 2 games at SS while ryan is on the dl?

    nunez?

  149. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Ys Guy March 26th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    so who’s playing those 2 games at SS while ryan is on the dl?

    nunez?

    ————–

    Yep, I’d think so.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    Everyone made fun of me for wanting David Wright lol…. I know it woulda cost an arm and a leg but I f*cking love David Wright.
    ///

    Sure, but that high voice doesn’t trouble you? :)

  151. austinmac March 26th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    JAP,

    You said the other day Cano’s trade continues to distress you. That I get. I apologize for being a blog policeman.

  152. RadioKev March 26th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Ellsbury, McCann and Teixeira are the only guys that have the potential to be better than Wright. I wouldn’t bet on it though. Like Blake said, maybe Ellsbury if he’s 100% throughout the season.

  153. DONNYBROOK March 26th, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    I could easily live with Murphy at BUC. Girardi has gone out of his way to say that McCann is going to catch a Ton. Phelps may turn into something special like Nova appears to be doing, but I would attempt to wangle that young SS out of Arizona. No way I even entertain Gregorius for Cervelli. Gregorius is currently a little better than Nunez.

  154. blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    “so who’s playing those 2 games at SS while ryan is on the dl?”

    If I’m in charge Stephen Drew.

  155. austinmac March 26th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Murphy sure seems to have more upside than Romine. I hope they don’t reduce his ever valuable playing time.

  156. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Sure, but that high voice doesn’t trouble you? :)

    —————-

    Nor do the precisely waxed eyebrows!

  157. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Nor do the precisely waxed eyebrows!
    ——–
    haha, I would have noticed that Shame, what else?

  158. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    *never noticed

  159. sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    Some folks wear Cano-colored glasses.

  160. blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    “Gregorius is currently a little better than Nunez.”

    well Gregorius can play SS though and Nunez cannot

  161. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    David Wright’s eyebrows are mesmerizing. Everyone go look!

    I can’t really look beyond them, Cash. It’s all I see!

  162. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Murphy sure seems to have more upside than Romine.
    —–
    If it’s just ABs, Can they try him at 1b over Canzler?

  163. Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    I always wished there was a way to get David Wright…but it meant making ARod disappear and I didn’t want to do that, so…..

  164. blake March 26th, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    D Wright really has an old school type swing…..he really loads up like guys used to do and his swing has some length to it. That’s why he has the power he has and it’s also why he K’s some vs today’s pitchers……still though he uses the whole field….plays great D….and is just a really good player when healthy. Ellsbury’s best might be better overall…..but his best is a rarity unfortunately.

  165. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I also like David Murphy’s bat on the Mets, the guy can barely play 2b, but I like the way he goes gap to gap with some power.

  166. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
    This is a comment from someone over at RAB. I think it’s good expression of what I was saying about Cervelli a few days ago. It concludes that it makes no sense to trade Cervelli now for the price of a BUC.

    ———————

    But how do you propose the Yankees trade him as a starter when he won’t get the chance to start…?

    ——

    Good point. Which is why you don’t trade him now for the return of a BUC. It is not inconceivable that McCann will find some time on the DL this season. If that’s the case Cervelli may have to start for a month or so. If he performs similar to how he’s performed this ST, last ST and last April, now you have a starting offensive-minded catcher for all the world to see. The market will have to respect that value.

    If that doesn’t happen, what do you have to lose? Unless he gets injured, it’s highly unlikely Cervelli’s value will fall below that of a quality BUC. There’s no question he’s improved as a catcher since 2012. Girardi has pointed that out often. And as far as Romine’s development is concerned, that’s not on my radar. I don’t see him as becoming an effective ML player. If he proves me wrong in AAA this year, all the better.

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    austinmac,

    Thanks, no worries. Forewarning: I’ll probably lament it all year ;) I’ll sorely miss watching him make that ridiculous throw from the SS side of 2B, and everything else about watching him play. And if his absence proves the difference this year between going home early and sending Jeter into retirement with a true shot at another ring…. not going to be happy. I will make sure to savor watching one more year of Jeter, regardless :)

  168. RayVT March 26th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    I just see the Yankees being extremely better than last year based on the positives outlined below. Note a lot of the positives are players being available that weren’t last year. But you get the drift.

    The Yankees have lost the following players:
    =============================================
    46 Andy Pettite, 65 Phil Hughes, 42 Mariano Rivera, 48 Boone Logan, 62 Joba Chamberlain

    The Yankees gained the following players:
    =============================================
    Masahiro Tanaka (+), Mike Pineda (+), Dellin Betances(), Matt Thornton (-),

    The Yankees have lost the following players:
    =============================================
    C Chris Stewart, BUC Romine, 1B Lyle Overbay, 2B Robbie Cano, SS Nunez/Ryan/…, 3B Reynolds..
    OF -Wells,

    The Yankees gained the following players:
    =============================================
    C Brian McCann (+), BUC Francisco Cervelli (+), 1B Mark Teixeira (+), 2B Brian Roberts (-), SS Derek Jeter (+), 3B Kelly Johnson/ Eduardo Nunez (+)
    OF – Jacoby Ellsbury (+),Carlos Beltran (+),Alfonso Soriano (+)

    I expext a lot from this team.

  169. bigdan22 March 26th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    austinmac March 26th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    Dan,

    . . .

    In reality, I believe requiring a pitcher to get extra outs over the course of a season will harm the pitcher and the pen over the course of a year. I must disagree with your defense is unimportant.

    ——–

    I never said the quality of a team’s infield defense is unimportant. I think it can be very important, but that importance varies directly with the quality of a team’s pitching. And I believe the driver for the Yanks potential success this year will be pitching so infield defense, from a relative standpoint, it not as important for this Yankee team.

    The thing about infield defense is failure usually results in one base/out. Failure in OF defense can lead to multiple bases and more direct runs. I think it could have more impact on game results.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Sure, but that high voice doesn’t trouble you? :)

    —————-

    Nor do the precisely waxed eyebrows!
    ///

    Haha, I wasn’t talking about androgyny, I was more talking about “enhancement” possibilities. Not that we’d care, if he was ours, but that he could get caught ;)

  171. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    If it’s just ABs, Can they try him at 1b over Canzler?

    —————-

    They’ve had him get some work at 3B. I dunno how likely it is Murphy would stick there, though. Not sure he has the power for the position.

  172. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    dan – I was talking about Murphy’s development, not Romines. I don’t want Murphy splitting time in AAA. Let Romine learn the ropes for how to be a true BUC there. I really don’t think Romine would be a terrible BUC for us this year, even if he had to play 50-60 games. He definitely looked over-matched at the plate for most of last year, but he also was just getting used to the irregular work – sometimes going two weeks without a start. By the end of the season I thought he was figuring things out. His swing looked a hell of a lot better, anyway.

  173. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Shame, I simply meant I would try Romine or Murphy at 1b when the other is catching to get them some PA… I don’t know if either have the sticks as a ML 1b but rather I don’t see the point giving Canzler ABs.

  174. austinmac March 26th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    JAP,

    I think the Cano talk irritates me because it makes me POed to think about him gone and our infield.

  175. Chip March 26th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Cash –

    David Murphy is the OF for the Indians
    Daniel Murphy is the 2b for the Mets

  176. Shame Spencer March 26th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
    Shame, I simply meant I would try Romine or Murphy at 1b when the other is catching to get them some PA… I don’t know if either have the sticks as a ML 1b but rather I don’t see the point giving Canzler ABs.

    ——————–

    Yeah, either should be able to handle it since it’s not a tough position. And like I said, Murphy does have some INF experience.

    I was kinda wondering out loud a while back if Murphy might be our future 3B.. but I think with the power outage in the OF for the next few years that becomes much less likely.

  177. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Thanks for the correction Chip, that’s whom I meant, Daniel Son!

  178. Chip March 26th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    mac –

    The Cano talk is annoying because that horse is already dead, no reason to beat it any more.

  179. Chip March 26th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    And then there’s Donnie Murphy. I think he plays for the Cubs now.

  180. UpState March 26th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    Jason Voorhees March 26th, 2014 at 11:21 am
    sigiqaped March 26th, 2014 at 11:15 am
    How many times did Robinson Cano come up to the plate in a key situation in postseasons past and fail to get the job done? Too many.
    ——————————————————-
    Sometimes he was great, and sometimes he was awful. It happens. That’s baseball. Not everyone is Beltran in the postseason.
    ==========================================

    Cano was not the player most of us thought he was in the Post-Season.

    He was a .222 hitter.

    …..NOT .322

    He had a VG series vs. Detroit in ’10.

    Put that series aside…

    He hit .206 for the Yankees.

    This was certainly not a ‘big-stage’ performer as Carlos Beltran has been.

    .222

    When the lights were really on him…..

    .222

  181. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 11:53 am
    Odds,

    ——————

    It’s quite hilarious. They are sometimes even disagreeing with themselves. You have to have a lot of time on your hands to do that.
    ///

    Odds, very like :)

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    austinmac March 26th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    JAP,

    I think the Cano talk irritates me because it makes me POed to think about him gone and our infield.
    ////

    Well I completely understand that. Part of me is still unconvinced he won’t be out there at 2B when I go to the Stadium. Nine years is a long time.

  183. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Chip March 26th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
    mac –

    The Cano talk is annoying because that horse is already dead, no reason to beat it any more.

    —————–

    Well in a few yrs if the Yankees produce a player as good as Cano I’m sure the talk will die down.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Doreen March 26th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    I always wished there was a way to get David Wright…but it meant making ARod disappear and I didn’t want to do that, so…..
    ///

    :D

  185. J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    Odds, we’ll never see his like again.

    But, although far away, we have some interesting, and some toolsy 2B prospects.

  186. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    I think Cano was very good hitter but not a great one. I think PS productions comes down to match ups. It’s neither the simple argument of oh ‘that’s SSS’ nor ‘heh he is unclutch’… Cano slapped around some questionable Tex’s pitching in 10 and Detroit 11 and got himself out in 13.

    The whole thing boils down this to me, Show me a match up then I maybe i can formulate an educated opinion on how Cano or any big hitters would do go forward.

    Unfortunately, I am sure if Ms got any PS berth in them anytime soon.

  187. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    *not sure.

  188. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    I meant in 12 obviously.

  189. RayVT March 26th, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    I think we all would love to have Cano at 2B for the Yankees in 2014, but we don’t. But, the Yankees basically have a whole new team for 2014 from 2013. I like the Yankees’ chances!

  190. Against All Odds March 26th, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 26th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
    Odds, we’ll never see his like again.

    ——————–

    We’ll see something like that again. It might be a generation until we do though.

  191. SweetSpot March 26th, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    I like that we have some trade chips and I hope that Cashman is able to deal some players that are blocked from the Yankees forty-man for the foreseeable future – and get draft picks in return. I’d like to see us accumulate future picks. I don’t think you need top ten or even top twenty picks – if you make good decisions you can find gems much lower in the draft order.

    I think the Yankees drafting philosophy has changed for the better, we no longer are going to take a shot at high risk high school talent and go with more proven and mature college players like Jagielo and Judge, at least with high round picks.

  192. Cashmoney March 26th, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    Sweet, I think Judge is precisely that, high risk and high reward, but they did a good job in 13. It also helps that they went with talent instead of signability as in some years.

    most of all, heh, they had multiple high draft picks… The Red Sox are in a similar position this year in terms of picks. Behind the 8 ball already, Yanks got IFA splurge going at least.

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