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MLB replay room up and running in NYC

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Instant Replay Baseball

While I’ve been in Florida, The Associated Press has been getting a look at the new replay facility in New York. Here’s the story from Ron Blum.

Instant Replay BaseballNEW YORK (AP) — After deciding close calls on the field since 1876, baseball opens a high-tech control room this weekend where the fates of batters, pitchers, runners and fielders will be decided by umpires up to 2,600 miles away in the building where the Oreo cookie was invented.

Starting with the Los Angeles Dodgers’ game at the San Diego Padres on Sunday night, the U.S. opener of the 2014 season, players, managers and fans will turn their attention to the ROC — the Replay Operations Center.

In a dimly lit room of just under 1,000 square feet in the Chelsea Market in Manhattan’s Meatpacking District, umpires and technicians will make the decisions that could decide games and championships.

More than $10 million has been spent wiring the 30 big league ballparks with Fiberlink cable that will transmit the images from at least 12 cameras at every site, and Major League Baseball says it will take just 400 milliseconds for each image to arrive at the command center.

All in an effort to prevent the type of botched calls that cost Detroit’s Armando Galarraga a perfect game in 2010.

“I’m happy for the managers,” said Joe Torre, an MLB executive vice president overseeing the new system. “Maybe it will keep them from having one or two more sleepless nights if they are able to grab one and overturn it.”

Inside the sliding glass doors at the offices of Major League Baseball Advanced Media, the room has its own power supply in case of a blackout — with batteries as a second auxiliary — and a stand-alone heating, ventilation and air conditioning system that keeps the temperature at 72 degrees. Cell phones don’t have reception.

There are dozens of televisions, more than enough to make it resemble NASA’s Mission Control. Outside the room, next to a modernist black sofa, is a 55-inch NEC screen, with another just inside the entrance. Walk in, and there’s 65-inch Pentus TV to your left.

Instant Replay BaseballOn each side are three stations, each to be staffed with a technician on the left and a major league umpire on the right. Three more “floater” stations stretch across the back well.

Every station has four 46-inch screens — three Planars for each pod, with a higher-quality Sony directly in front of each umpire’s seat. The umps will wear headsets and can push a button to speak with their colleagues at any stadium.

Fifteen Asus computer monitors are scattered about, four on a wavy table in the center where supervisors will monitor the review umpires and up to 15 simultaneous games (there would only be the maximum if weather delays the action in the eastern half of North America).

The nine circular overhead lights are kept low, the walls are gray and the carpeting is dark — all so that the televised images will stand out more for the umpires. There is a sink and a microwave — the food court on the first floor is filled with dozens of options.

“I’ll see more games than the Fan Cave,” quipped Justin Klemm, a former minor league umpire and big league fill-in who was hired last month as MLB’s director of instant replay.

Baseball ignored replay even as it was first used by the NFL in 1986, the NHL in 1991, the NBA in 2002 and the Little League World Series in 2008.

MLB took a tentative step toward replay in August 2008, when it first used video to decide boundary calls such as home runs at the top of fences or near foul poles.

Torre long opposed video review but changed his mind in October 2012, when umpire Jeff Nelson missed a call on Robinson Cano’s two-out tag of Omar Infante at second base in the AL championship series, calling the runner safe. Detroit went on to win Game 2 and sweep the New York Yankees.

“That’s when I realized that we certainly can’t ignore the technology and the fact that this seemed to be what the people want or think they want,” Torre said.

Chris MarinakEight umpires will be assigned to the replay room each week, with generally six on duty for a full schedule and each monitoring two games at a time.

When an umpire has a decision to make, screens for their other game will go dark. If an ump has simultaneous challenges in both games, one will “cascade” to the next pod over.

Baseball established a “clear and convincing” standard for overturning calls. The replay decision will be either the call is confirmed, stands (if there is no conclusive evidence) or is overturned.

Managers get one challenge per game, and if that challenge is successful, they receive a second. If a manager is out of challenges, from the seventh inning on an umpire can call for a replay on his own. In addition, home runs and plate collisions are subject to unlimited review at the discretion of the crew chief.

Baseball hopes it will take no more than an average of 3 minutes for the decision. The average length of a nine-inning game was a record 2:59 last year, according to STATS. Torre said pace-of-game rules will be enforced more strictly.

“In order to make this thing work and not have it make the games longer is the fact that we have to start really disciplining and paying attention to the repeat violators,” he said.

Open for replay challenges are force plays, tags plays, fair-foul in the outfield, traps in the outfield, hit batters, retouching, passing runners, ground-rule doubles, fan interference and home runs (at the umpires’ discretion).

Instant Replay BaseballAmong the excluded decisions are ball-strike calls, check swings, foul tips making contact with the bat, balks, interference and obstruction calls, the neighborhood play at second on double plays, running out of the basepath or runner’s lane, tagging up and catches in the infield.

MLB says that among incorrect calls last year were 156 force plays, 60 tags on steals and 76 other tags — totaling 86 percent of all missed decisions.

Torre said he expects more dropped balls during pivots at second base will be called safe rather than forceouts, and that MLB will monitor phone traffic between team replay personnel and dugouts to ensure the video isn’t used for sign stealing.

About 75 umpires came to New York for training, and MLB sat down with all managers during spring training and will have a conference call with them this week.

Umpiring’s new era has arrived.

“I could tell you, one, I’m glad we didn’t have replay,” Torre said, an apparent reference to Richie Garcia calling a 2-2 pitch to Tino Martinez a ball in the 1998 World Series opener. Martinez hit a grand slam on the next pitch, and the Yankees swept San Diego.

“I’m wearing that ring right now,” Torre said.

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201 Responses to “MLB replay room up and running in NYC”

  1. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 7:17 pm

    Thank goodness UNC and that neanderthal James McApoo didn’t advance to the Final4.

  2. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    repost

    “bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t know if Jeet is worth $300MM. Has he even made that much? Remember in this country the tax man takes half.”

    ===================================

    Jeters made 253 million in MLB earnings. he has also made upwards of 20 million a year in endorsements for much of his career. Lets call that another 150 million to be conservative. That’s 400 million.

    I have to imagine he has invested much of it and has had decent returns. The rich get much higher returns on their CD’s than the little people. LOL.

    As for taxes, there are many ways the rich can reduce their burden. He has a home in Florida which has no taxes so I expect he pays taxes in NY only on his home games now although there was a bit of a dispute about that for the years 2001-2003. He likely has set up a foundation or two as many rich do to avoid taxes by donating a portion of his salary to his foundation. While he has to give up some of that to charity, the investment income is not taxable and he could structure it so the investment income is greater than he has to give away in charity. The foundations assets are safe from the death tax and can be passed on the be run by family members who will earn a large salary managing the Foundation and the assets .

    I would be shocked if Jeter was paying the max rate on his taxes. Good tax accountants are expensive but pay for themselves by exploiting the loopholes the little guy can only dream of

  3. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    This is excellent! I’m hoping there will be a challenge in the Padres-Dodger’s game so I can see the system in action.
    I expect there will be some problems to work out but this is pretty bold.
    I don’t really like the challenge rule but I love the centralized video review and that the replay officials ruling is final.

  4. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    “MLB says that among incorrect calls last year were 156 force plays, 60 tags on steals and 76 other tags — totaling 86 percent of all missed decisions.”

    This is a severe underestimate IMO. Only 1-2 missed calls per day during the regular season? LOL. How about 1-2 per game.

  5. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    No sporting event is more exciting than the NCAA tourney.

  6. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    “I could tell you, one, I’m glad we didn’t have replay,” Torre said, an apparent reference to Richie Garcia calling a 2-2 pitch to Tino Martinez a ball in the 1998 World Series opener. Martinez hit a grand slam on the next pitch, and the Yankees swept San Diego.
    ===========================================
    He might have been referring to the Jeffrey Maier catch of Jeters HR.

  7. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    My main concern on replays is who is responsible for ensuring the NY office receives all camera angles. For example, if the home teams TV crew is responsible and a particular camera angle would result in a decision not favorable to them, how is MLB going to make sure they see it?

  8. chicken_stanley March 30th, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    I think the centralized review will set MLB replay apart from the other major sports… I have mixed feelings, though, about replay. On the one hand, you want correct calls. One the other hand, without obviously botched calls, what will I have to gripe about the next morning around the water cooler?

  9. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 7:26 pm

    It’s not exciting, mick, when you already know the end result.

  10. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    every game comes down to the last shot and these kids play as if their lives depend on it.
    hope them getting paid won’t change this.

  11. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    “More than $10 million has been spent wiring the 30 big league ballparks with Fiberlink cable that will transmit the images from at least 12 cameras at every site, and Major League Baseball says it will take just 400 milliseconds for each image to arrive at the command center.”

    my understanding is that nobody is ‘feeding’ the images to mlb, they get every camera directly.

  12. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Anyone watch the MLB annual prediction show ?

  13. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    UConn over Florida in the title game. I dont want Billy Donovan, a Bill Belichick protege to win his 3rd title and close within one of Coach Krzyzewski. But what I dont want more is for the UConn Men to tie Duke for total titles.

  14. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    Of course, Torre knows balls and strikes will never be replayed.

  15. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    globe life park in arlington?

  16. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Well anyway the Dodgers were the only Team to be project for more than 95 wins.

    They use the PECOTA system which I hear is very conservative.

    It seems the Yankees are being severely under estimated by many.

    One guy even picked the O’s to win the AL East.

    Really ?

    With the 4th or 5th worst rotation ?

    Several had the Rays winning it all.

    Personally I don’t think they have enough stick even w Meyers.

    We have almost as good a Staff and a much better O.

    It’s hard to understand these folks choices.

    ;)

  17. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Fla’s 2 losses came against UConn and Wisc, now they can play them both again.
    Fla went 3-0 vs KY in the SEC…..hmmmmm

  18. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    A lot of love for the Nats and Dodgers.

    Also the Tigers.

    Tigers are only 3 deep in the rotation.

    We are 5 deep.

    Again, hard to understand some of the choices.

  19. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    MTU

    What is TB’s ro?
    Archer, Cobb and Price are tough but the others?

  20. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    Moore and Odorizzi.

    Pineda is way better than Odorizzi.

  21. chicken_stanley March 30th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Mike – on MLB radio today, the Rays were almost the universal choice to win the east… the only dissenter I heard was Cliff Floyd… he had the Yankees.

    Other popular choices were Trout for AL MVP, Tanaka for ROY.

  22. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    We will have best #5 starter in baseball.

    And it won’t even be close.

    ;)

  23. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Ours are just unproven, untested and questionable but overall we could be better.

  24. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Did a Padres fan write that? Yankees were winning that series no matter what.

    And I agree Torre must have been referring to Maier.

  25. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Glenn-

    No one picked Tanaka for ROY.

    Boy are they going to be surprised.

    Bogaerts was a common pick.

    He hasn’t proved squat yet.

  26. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    UCONN over Florida, then UCONN over Kentucky in Final.

  27. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    I never do brackets, so I didnt realize UConn faces Florida. in semis. Ill be putting some serious $ on UConn in that game, they should be heavy moneyline underdogs.

  28. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Mick-

    That is correct but we know how good they are, right ?

    Tanaka, Nova, and Pineda are awesome.

    Almost any Team would be envious of those 3.

    ;)

  29. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    mtu

    whats the difference what anybody thinks?
    we will watch the games and see what really happens.

  30. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    Being underestimated is fine w me.

    I was splitting my gut when the projection barely had the Yankees having more victories than last year.

    That is hysterical considering how much better we currently are.

  31. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Mick-

    I find great comedy in it is all.

    I am not the least bit worried about our pitching staff.

    I think it will be among the very best.

    Most will be shocked by how good.

    Not me. I see the potential from the get go.

    ;)

  32. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    when these media hacks pander to their yankee hating market what do you expect?

  33. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    They can hate all they want.

    When you’re good you’re good.

    I’m laughing at them.

    ;)

  34. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    as long as we have the last laugh

  35. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    There is a reason the Yankees are not being picked to do better than 3rd or 4th in the division. Just read Chads previous post and all the uncertainty.

    Sure, if all the question marks are answered in the affirmative, they win 97 games. If in the negative, they win 79.

    If I was objective, I would pick 88 wins, but I am going for 93. Fans will always be about 5 wins more optimistic than non-fans.

  36. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    “There is a reason the Yankees are not being picked to do better than 3rd or 4th in the division”

    Yeah. They’re stupid.

    ;)

  37. mick March 30th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    In the Beach Boys vs Rush discussion I rule The Beatles as the All-Time seminal group.

  38. sammiejohnson March 30th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    Among the excluded decisions…. the neighborhood play at second on double plays….

    ______________________________________

    A lot of people I have talked to disagree, but this is the one thing I really wanted to be reviewable. I know MLB says it is to protect the Second Baseman & SS from being mowed down by the runner, but the rules are clear. You have to actually touch 2B while possessing the baseball, not be within ten feet of it.

  39. mick March 30th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    In fact if it came down to a Final 4 among rock groups, who would the other 3 be?

  40. mick March 30th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    I hate the neighborhood play.
    I remember Tim Tschida’s first day as an ump where he cost the Yanks a game with that call.

  41. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    pete2, when the Red Sox finished in last place in 2012, the “experts” picked them to win the AL East in 2013. They made no significant upgrades in the 2012 offseason. They added no risk, high reward players like Crapoli, Dumpster, Prictorino.

  42. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    I don’t like the neighborhood play either.

  43. sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    It’s the Yankee hating media, nothing else.

  44. mick March 30th, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    The Rolling Stones, Springsteen and Led Zeppelin might be the other 3 and I am not a big fan of the Boss.

  45. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Enjoy watching our rotation destroy the opposition.

    I know I will.

    Especially our back end.

    Too funny.

    :)

  46. mick March 30th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    I don’t know who they hate more, the Yankees or New York.

  47. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    ball 1 to crawford, and we’ve got baseball again!

  48. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    cashner blows puig away on 3 pitches!

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    I don’t know what Puig just screamed into his blog, but my guess is a stream of expletives in Spanish wrapped around the name “Hanley.”

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    haha – into his glove. He’ll probably complain some more later on his blog :)

  51. sammiejohnson March 30th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Puig finally hit the cutoff man and Hanley shouldn’t have cut it. He should go back to airmailing it.

  52. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    and bad infield defense doesn’t hurt the dodgers.
    bigdan is smiling somewhere right now.

  53. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    “sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    pete2, when the Red Sox finished in last place in 2012, the “experts” picked them to win the AL East in 2013. They made no significant upgrades in the 2012 offseason.”
    =====================

    I don’t recall a single expert picking the Red Sox to win the AL East. Most projections were 86-88. I think the best projection had them in 2nd place and grabbing a WC spot, and the worst had them in a race with the Yankees for last place, but most had them at 3rd – 4th.

  54. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    After the Boston Marathon explosions, some media on CNN and FOX said they’d never seen a group of people come together like that before. Think about that for a quarter of a moment.
    ==================================

    I was in a bar in Boston at the time visiting relatives. When the first reports came on TV they turned the music off so people could listen. It was clear it was an explosion and likely terrorist related. After a few minutes some guy complained about no music, so they turned the music back on and the TV sound down.

    A couple of months later I was in the same bar and the guy who complained about no music was wearing a Boston Strong shirt. Pffffft

  55. mick March 30th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Sox Nation prolly figures it’s 1-0. Boston Bombing over Twin Towers.
    They got the job done in the Series, we didn’t…

  56. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    ” Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    “my understanding is that nobody is ‘feeding’ the images to mlb, they get every camera directly.”

    It says at least 12 cameras but it does not say all cameras. All camera feeds come into a central console for the TV station (and presumably from their to the NY office) which then determines which to show their audience, and I would think they could control which 12 angles go to MLB’s NY office.

    I don’t know, maybe they have a handle on it but in ST the Cardinals manager complained the review team saw different camera angles than he did. They may not have been fully set up at those parks though

  57. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    sigiqaped March 30th, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    The Boston honks on ESPN picked the Red Sox.
    =========================

    These are all the ESPN predictions (44). Nobody predicted the Red Sox. There was even 1 for the Yankees to win the division but most picked the Blue Jays or Rays.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview.....all-season

    I agree with you on the Boston Strong. Red Sox owners are pretty good in marketing pretty much anything.

  58. Howler March 30th, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Predictions are only so we can laugh at how wrong they were at the end of the year.

  59. Howler March 30th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    and for the one guy who got it right to gloat like he’s the King of the world.

  60. Howler March 30th, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    The year after he’ll end up like the King of the North.

  61. Ys Guy March 30th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    cashner looking good. i’m heavily invested in him in fbb.

  62. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    ” mick March 30th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Sox Nation prolly figures it’s 1-0. Boston Bombing over Twin Towers.
    They got the job done in the Series, we didn’t…

    The planes took off from Boston.

  63. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Mark Simon,
    ESPN Stats & Information

    Only the stats guy picked the Yankees to win the AL East (but Tigers to win the AL).

    Very few others picked the Yankees to win anything, even one of the two wildcards.

  64. chicken_stanley March 30th, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    and for the one guy who got it right to gloat like he’s the King of the world

    ——————–

    As for predictions, Austinmac and I (and I’m sure there were others) correctly predicted the Arod suspension on here. The love and admiration I was expecting from other luhodites unfortunately never materialized :D

  65. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    The Dodgers are going to run away w it in that weak division.

    I’d like to see how they would fare in the AL East.

  66. chicken_stanley March 30th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Mike – I traditionally have scorn for the strength of the entire NL… Of course, I’m fairly biased :)

  67. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Dodgers have great pitching, if Kershaw is healthy, but I don’t think much of their offense. Teams overrated IMO.

  68. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Glenn-

    Basically the Dodgers division is a joke.

    I wish ours were that easy.

  69. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    Nothing over rated about that LU IMO.

    Especially if Kemp is healthy.

  70. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
    “bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t know if Jeet is worth $300MM. Has he even made that much? Remember in this country the tax man takes half.”

    ===================================

    “. . . .

    I would be shocked if Jeter was paying the max rate on his taxes. Good tax accountants are expensive but pay for themselves by exploiting the loopholes the little guy can only dream of”

    ——

    You are totally wrong about this Pete2. I know from personal experience. There are almost no “loopholes” for high income individuals.

    Like most Americans, I thought once you made a lot of money, you hired an accountant and took advantage of the tax code. Most of my life I made a very modest income and did my own taxes. Then I started making a lot of money and hired an accountant. When I asked about loopholes to use he just laughed at me. That stuff went out in the 1980s. It was called passive income investments, like oil and gas stuff. Reagan killed that stuff when he lowered rates.

    If you are an individual with earned income, that’s like a salary or compensation paid on personal services contracts (Jeter, actors) there are no special deductions for the rich. Just a much higher tax rate. You get the same real estate tax and mortgage deductions everyone else gets which are also capped. People who file business returns or individuals who receive investment income (real estate and hedge fund managers) they have a bunch of tax avoidance things they can do. But if you are just taking a paycheck home, like Jeter, you pay through the nose. The only way to seriously lower your rate is to move to the right state. But because Jeter earns income in NY, he’ll pay NY state tax rates at least on some if not most of his income. And the real killer is NYC tax which I fortunately don’t have to pay. I’m sure Jeter is paying at an over 50% rate with city and state. The foundation is it’s own tax entity and doesn’t shield Jeter’s or anyone else’s income. If Jeter makes charitable donations, that will reduce his taxable income but not his rate. His tax liability goes down but the savings plus more goes out to the charity.

    As I said before, the myth that the rich don’t pay taxes in this country has always been just that. A myth.

  71. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    Bedtime.

    See you guys in the AM.

  72. chicken_stanley March 30th, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    night Mike… wind the breakfast club up into a frenzy tomorrow.

  73. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    As I said before, the myth that the rich don’t pay taxes in this country has always been just that. A myth.

    Most of the rich (not just wealthy) do pay a much lower rate because a lot or all of their income is investment income.

  74. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
    bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    As I said before, the myth that the rich don’t pay taxes in this country has always been just that. A myth.

    Most of the rich (not just wealthy) do pay a much lower rate because a lot or all of their income is investment income.

    ——

    That’s correct. There’s huge difference between earned income and investment income. I bet almost all of Jeter’s income is earned income. That’s his baseball salary and all his promotional compensation. Now it Jeter owns a car dealership or makes money selling stock or real estate, that’s treated a lot differently. But I’m certain that stuff is just a tiny portion of Jeter’s overall income.

  75. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    pete2 says:
    March 30, 2014 at 9:41 pm
    Dodgers have great pitching, if Kershaw is healthy, but I don’t think much of their offense. Teams overrated IMO.

    I think they have holes….more questions than ESPN wants to admit.

    Kinda funny that the dodgers will have played 3 games before anyone else plays 1

  76. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    What’s an espn broadcast without a Red Sox highlight

  77. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    And just be fair to the rich, which seems to be out of fashion these days, those who get preferential tax treatment from their investments are placing their own capital at risk. What that means is, they frequently lose money on investments so therefore there may be no income at all and hence no income tax. But what people don’t seem to understand is you can’t use investment losses to offset ordinary income gains. So if Arod loses $10MM on an investment he can’t deduct it against his salary from the Yanks. He’ll still pay probably half to the taxman.

  78. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    ” blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    “I think they have holes….more questions than ESPN wants to admit.”

    2B is certainly a hole. They should sign Drew. LOL

    No, seriously, if Crawford could be the player he was with the Rays, and Kemp healthy and the player he was in 2011, and if Adrian Gonzalez could get his power back, they could have a great offense, but i don’t see any of that happening, and I see Puig turning into a big fat pumpkin, and Hanley trying to do too much in a contract year and them being just a league average offense.

  79. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    So the Yankees are underdogs, cool. :)

  80. chicken_stanley March 30th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    The Dodgers were the villains of my childhood (followed closely by the Royals)… just doesn’t seem right that L.A. is managed by Donnie Baseball

  81. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Of course espn cant go one game without talking Red Sox whether they are playing or not…

  82. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    “And just be fair to the rich, which seems to be out of fashion these days, those who get preferential tax treatment from their investments are placing their own capital at risk. What that means is, they frequently lose money on investments so therefore there may be no income at all and hence no income tax. But what people don’t seem to understand is you can’t use investment losses to offset ordinary income gains. So if Arod loses $10MM on an investment he can’t deduct it against his salary from the Yanks. He’ll still pay probably half to the taxman.”
    ===================================

    Capital losses can be used to offset capital gains, and can be carried forward if needed (eg no capital gains or not enough capital gains). It can offset ordinary income but only in amounts too small for the rich to even care about.

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    That’s why we really need a wealth tax and not an income tax.

  83. pete2 March 30th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

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  84. pat March 30th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

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  85. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Pete2 stay out of the tax advisory arena. That’s not your forte.

    —Capital losses can only reduce ordinary income up to $3,000 a year last time I checked so that’s irrelevant for these guys.

    —There isn’t any scenario whereby an individual keeps more of his paycheck by making a charitable donation. Sure the rich can make a charitable contributions and decrease their tax bill. But it doesn’t mean they take home more money by doing that. It means they are giving it to someone other than the government. In the end, they actually take home less by making the charitable donation than by paying the tax. It’s not a tax credit. It’s a deduction and it’s not dollar for dollar.

    –The bottom line is, and the point of this discussion, is that Jeter is not taking home any more than half of what he receives as salary from the Yanks (and from his promotional income) and probably quite a bit less.

    And for your information, we already do have a wealth tax. It’s called estate tax. And if you ever had to deal with that, God bless. It actually plays a big role in sports franchises and has caused the sale of many teams. The Steinbrenners got super lucky on that but that’s another tale.

  86. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    And another point. There a very few people in this country making $10MM a year in salary. Very very few. Even the titans of industry don’t get that money. Only really entertainers and professional athletes make that much. And they are giving half or more of that away to the taxman. No way around it.

    Most people who make that much and more are doing it through investment income. And most of them are probably hedge fund guys. That’s a different world which for cynical self-interest all politicians, even the Democrats, want to protect. The super rich probably don’t even have income, at least not earned.

  87. pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 1:42 am

    ” bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Pete2 stay out of the tax advisory arena. That’s not your forte.”
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    You are correct, neither is it yours though. LOL

    “—Capital losses can only reduce ordinary income up to $3,000 a year last time I checked so that’s irrelevant for these guys.”

    I already said this is irrelevant for rich people. However, offsetting capital gains is not.

    “—There isn’t any scenario whereby an individual keeps more of his paycheck by making a charitable donation. Sure the rich can make a charitable contributions and decrease their tax bill. But it doesn’t mean they take home more money by doing that. It means they are giving it to someone other than the government. In the end, they actually take home less by making the charitable donation than by paying the tax. It’s not a tax credit. It’s a deduction and it’s not dollar for dollar.”

    If its their own foundation it means they are giving it to themselves. Sure they have to give some of it away, but not right away and I have seen financial statements from the Gates foundation online where charitable contributions are only 3% of assets and tax free investment income was greater than their charitable contributions.

    “And for your information, we already do have a wealth tax. It’s called estate tax. And if you ever had to deal with that, God bless. It actually plays a big role in sports franchises and has caused the sale of many teams. The Steinbrenners got super lucky on that but that’s another tale.””

    Oh my. Hardly anyone of substance pays the estate tax on the full amount of their wealth. That’s the purpose of foundations and trusts. I imagine they pay some though.

    As for Steinbrenner, I believe his last will established a trust that transferred most of his assets to his wife avoiding an estate tax until she died and I suspect she would have done something similar before she died (if possible). It was moot though due to the timing of his death. I suppose some rich folks do a lousy job at estate planning, and maybe he was one of them, or maybe its harder to put assets like the Yankees into a trust. But unless Jeter plans on buying a team he should not worry.

  88. bardos March 31st, 2014 at 3:11 am

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  89. Doreen March 31st, 2014 at 7:02 am

    Good morning.

    Pat,

    Could very well be with Jeter and Hal. Kay asked him if he told Steinbrenner ahead of everyone else, and Jeter’s response was a question: “Do you really think a secret like that woud stay a secret in this town?”. But, sure, I guess it could have happened like you said, kind of a bait and switch, like announcing a new contract. That would be a distraction.

    But I couldn’t assume that Jeter would have an easy time keeping this particular secret all year. Yeah, he’s been a master at deflecting questions, avoiding specific answers and giving vanilla replies. But this is different and I don’t know if it’s fair to say he’d be comfortable.

    I guess I’ve become immune to the farewell tour. It doesn’t bother me. I wouldn’t miss them if no one did another one, but it’s not an issue for me.

    Y’s guy mentioned Willie Mays and a few others. I can’t speak about the others, but couldn’t you call Mays’ stint with the New York Mets a marketing ploy and an extended farewell tour? There was no other reason for him to be on that team. (Mrs. Payton, if I remember correctly was a Giants and Mays fan before they left NY). One last contract and a chance for his NY fans to pay tribute and he could retire in NY.

  90. Poetkiosk March 31st, 2014 at 7:18 am

    Well everyone is predicting the Yankees are 3rd or 4th in the AL East and apparently the Dodgers for sure going to the WS, to meet either the Red Sox or the Rays.

  91. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:28 am

    Poet-

    Last year’s predictions by the MLB network crew were way off.

    I’d expect similar results this year.

  92. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:29 am

    Or to put it another way.

    If their predictions were money they’d be flat broke.

    ;)

  93. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:33 am

    These prognosticators are seriously underestimating how good our pitching staff is likely to be.

    For example, when you have a guy like Pineda as your #5 matched up against most #5′s you are going to win the vast majority of those matchups due to a huge pitching edge.

    Most #5 starters suck. Our is a potential #1/2.

    :)

  94. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:35 am

    Our #4 guy- Tanaka offers the Yanks the same advantage.

    Most #4′s aren’t all that.

    Terrific edge to us.

    The real laugh is that we don’t have anyone below a #3 type pitcher and that might be a conservative estimate.

  95. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:36 am

    And good morning, by the way.

    :)

  96. Poetkiosk March 31st, 2014 at 7:42 am

    Morning MTU!

    I was thinking about this walking to work, I think the media in general gets a kick out of selling the Yankees short. I mean I get it from ESPN, who are a subsidiary of Red Sox Nation, but even the local media (NYDailynews) has very low expectations for the Yankees. Are we seeing something they aren’t or are we wearing rose colored glasses?

  97. Tar March 31st, 2014 at 7:45 am

    “Sox Nation prolly figures it’s 1-0. Boston Bombing over Twin Towers.
    They got the job done in the Series, we didn’t…”

    There is some weird Boston /ESPN paranoia going on here, multiple ridiculous statements.

    I love baseball, I love the Yankees… but it’s a freaking game.

  98. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:47 am

    Poet-

    It’s the glass half full/half empty sort of thing.

    Of course we might not be too good if murphy’s law takes over again.

    But what are the odds of the perfect storm coming together again 2 years in a row ?

    I see the risks too. I just think the outcome(s) shouldn’t be as extreme this year.

    Or at least I’m leaning that way.

    ;)

  99. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:49 am

    tar-

    No it isn’t.

    It’s life or death.

    Didn’t you know that.

    :)

  100. Tar March 31st, 2014 at 7:54 am

    I know your kidding MTU. But for some comparing tragedies like they were line-ups seems to be the norm… it’s wrong on so many levels.

  101. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 7:59 am

    Tar-

    Agreed. But one must always consider the source(s).

    At any rate, the Sux are merely enjoying what is commonly referred to as a “dead cat bounce”.

    They’ll return to their normal level of mediocrity at some point.

    The Boston inferiority complex will always be there because no matter how hard they try
    in the long haul they just don’t measure up.

    And besides you can’t fix ugly.

    :)

  102. Tar March 31st, 2014 at 8:02 am

    Thanks for the levity MTU….. :D

    Have a great day

  103. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Tar-

    My pleasure.

    :)

  104. Giuseppe Franco March 31st, 2014 at 8:09 am

    Keep in mind that the NY/BOS tragedy comparison came from one C R 9 – who isn’t exactly known for being sane.

  105. Tar March 31st, 2014 at 8:24 am

    GF

    The post I quoted came from mick

  106. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:24 am

    GF-

    I’m not exactly sane either.

    :)

  107. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:31 am

    The one thing GB and I always had in common, aside from our love of bad puns, is that we
    both didn’t take ourselves or things in general seriously.

    I’d like to see more of that around here.

    A little humor goes a long way.

    And in my case that’s especially good since I can’t muster more than a little.

    ;)

  108. mick March 31st, 2014 at 8:32 am

    taking things out of context gets you in trouble.
    try to keep up…

  109. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:33 am

    My 2 Rx’s for a better LoHud :

    1) Respect

    2) Humor

  110. Mottsx March 31st, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Or respect humor as everyone has a different sense of humor

  111. mick March 31st, 2014 at 8:35 am

    mtu

    i see some humor at lohud, i have tried, lots of oversensitivity/immaturity from a few.

  112. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:39 am

    Mick-

    The golden rule works really well.

    The more we all abide by that the better.

    The Internet keeps us anonymous but IMO it shouldn’t relieve us of the responsibility
    of treating each other w dignity wherever possible.

    It’s easy to misunderstand w/o the benefit of context and body language.

    It’s quite easy to disagree passionately w/o being offensive.

    So we’ll all keep trying I hope.

  113. Vineyard Yankee March 31st, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Mick ………

    You have always seemed to me, a keep it simple light hearted guy.

    Keep up the good work ! !

  114. Yankee Trader March 31st, 2014 at 8:42 am

    Good morning humorous ones.
    Stole this from a morning paper.
    Some Trivia involving Yankees:

    Was the last player to have 600 hits with three teams.
    Is a Hall of Famer whose lowest winning percentage in 10 pitching seasons was .643.
    Received the most unintentional walks.
    Had 10 consecutive-200 hit seasons.

  115. mick March 31st, 2014 at 8:42 am

    the difference is that with anonymity comes honesty.
    if someone doesn’t like another here they say so.

  116. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:49 am

    Mick-

    Having the freedom to be honest does not relieve one from the responsibility to be courteous, or to respect other people’s feelings.

    At least not FWIS.

    This place does not have to be so personal, and it shouldn’t be.

    And it shouldn’t be an excuse for people to work out their collective psychopathology IMO.

    It’s a community and it should be fun. Not pain.

  117. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:50 am

    What’s happening YT ?

  118. Yankee Trader March 31st, 2014 at 8:58 am

    MTU

    Haven’t been on the blog nearly enough lately. Now that I’m out of the running in the NCAA pool of 80 entries, I’m focused on the Yankees.

    AL Rookie of the Year-Masahiro Tanaka
    Comeback Player of the Year- tie between Derek Jeter and Brian Roberts
    Most Valuable Yankee Player- Kelly Johnson
    AL Fireman- David Robertson

  119. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 9:04 am

    YT-

    Good to have you back.

    You’ve been missed.

    There’s a new one ————>

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