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Video: Jeter wraps up his final spring training

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Standing behind home plate with members of the Boys and Girls Club, Derek Jeter was given a key to the city of Tampa yesterday. Literally seconds later, his final spring training game was rained out. Kind of an odd way to break camp for the last time.

“I just tried to not look forward to the end of (spring training),” Jeter said. “Most people look forward to the end of spring about two weeks into it, but I just tried to take it day in and day out. That’s what I’ll remember.”

Truth be told, Jeter’s final spring training really wasn’t all that memorable. He hit just .137 with only one extra-base hit, but he played in 18 games with 51 at-bats. Those are the numbers that seemed to mean the most. He was healthy. He ran without any problems. He did nothing to suggest he can’t be the Yankees shortstop this season.

“I think that his average that will be something that will be talked about,” Joe Girardi said. “But for me, I think it was seeing him come out and play healthy, going back to back, being physically able to do it, not having to force his running. It was hard to watch last year. As much as he said he was ready to go, he really wasn’t, so I’m happy with where he’s at. I don’t make too much of spring training numbers, because I’ve been in both sides of that where I had a good spring and couldn’t get a hit in the month of April, and had a bad spring and got a lot of hits in the month of April. So I don’t make too much of that. As long as he feels good and feels like his timing’s there, that’s the most important thing.”

Jeter says he feels good, and he points to a few hits late in spring as evidence that his timing was getting better at just the right time. I’m not sure anyone knows what to expect over the course of 162 games — how well can he hit, will experience and positioning make him a viable defensive player, can he stay healthy all the way through — but we know that Jeter is going to play. His ankle has healed, his legs are strong, and the shortstop position is his for one last season.

“It’s odd to think that I won’t be back,” Jeter said. “I’ve been coming here (to Steinbrenner Field) since ’96. The first year it opened was my first year (on the Opening Day roster). It will be a little different. It will probably be a little more different next year when spring training starts. Right now, I’m just looking forward to getting to Houston. … I feel good. That was the most important thing. Spring training is a progression, both physically and being game-ready. I feel I’m where I want to be right now.”

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428 Responses to “Video: Jeter wraps up his final spring training”

  1. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 8:54 am

    I’d like Jeter to go out like Mo did.

    In blaze of glory.

    Let’s get him and some of our other vets a ring.

    :)

  2. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    And this all begs the question.

    Who will follow Jeter at SS ?

  3. BD (Boston Dave) March 30th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    Is Gregorious basically a young Brendan Ryan?

    DBacks are probably going to trade him and need a prospect or young right handed catcher.

    I just am not all that excited by Gregorious but I don’t know him too well. Not even sure I’d package Cervelli, Nunez, Warren, another piece for him.

  4. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    BD-

    He is supposed to be a very good defender.

    The question is will his bat come round enough

    He’s young and we have needs in the IF.

    If the price isn’t too high I’d certainly go for it.

  5. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    For instance, I would certainly let go of Romine + for Gregorius.

  6. Mottsx March 30th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I think they’re going to go after jj hardy for 5/75 next year. Orioles won’t match that good defender decent power. Only lacks obp

  7. JCPD March 30th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Time for some baseball!!

  8. austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    I think the team is done shopping. They may try to trade a roster piece for a guy not needed to be upon the roster. Better bet, someone is let go.

  9. blake March 30th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Is Gregorious basically a young Brendan Ryan?””

    Possibly….but I think he has the upside to hit more than that. I wouldn’t give up a ton for him though.

  10. austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    I’d like Jeter to leave with a better departure than Mo. How about being a real contender? Great gifts, lousy team.

  11. austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Hardy has power, but he will be 32 in August. I would prefer they try to get Franklin or Didi. Try to get someone who might get better than someone who will certainly decline.

  12. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    How far back could the Yankees backdate a 60 day DL stint for either Ramirez or Turley to start the season? If they did this could those pitcher participate in extended spring training right away? Could they start their 30 day rehab stint before the 60 days are up?

  13. blake March 30th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Sucks that the yanks don’t play until Tuesday

  14. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Jeter’s best replacement would be a guy like Tulo or Hanley.

    But it is very unlikely we’d get them IMO.

    After them the field falls off fairly rapidly.

    So the next level of excellence in my mind would be an up and coming youngster.

    i.e., Castro, etc.

    I do not want to see another tire patch out there.

    We’ve had enough of them in recent years.

  15. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:24 am

    yes Blake.

    It does.

    Work on those BBQ skills in the meantime.

    :)

  16. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Another guy who would be a great get would be Ian Desmond of the Nats.

    Extension talks collapsed.

  17. austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    MTU,

    I really doubt we could get Castro, but I fully approve of trying for him or another young SS.

  18. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Mac-

    Nothing ventured nothing gained sort of thing.

    ;)

  19. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    If things break well by next season we could have all kinds of trade chips.

    :)

  20. GregD March 30th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Just back from a great two week vacation….a week of Spring Training and a week on a cruise to Key West and Cozumel……had a great time….definitely want to go to ST again.

  21. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Unless they can pry away a legitimate star from another team, the Yanks will piece together shortstop for the next couple of seasons until one of their young players is ready in 2017. At least, I think that’ll be their mind set.

  22. Mottsx March 30th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Desmond would be great. Not free til after 15. Signin Drew for 2 years would have actually worked out in this situation but I don’t wanna get Blake fired up.

  23. Tar March 30th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    “Another guy who would be a great get would be Ian Desmond of the Nats.”

    I remember the first time seeing him…..GB and I were both taken aback by just what an athlete he looked like. A real natural, I would think he would be a great replacement.

  24. GregD March 30th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    I saw Pineda pitch twice. He looks like he will be very tough on right handers and I saw him throw a couple of change ups to left-handers that he will need to keep developing to keep them off his fastball. He struck out Colby Rasmus on a nasty change up. He also throws his slider at different speeds which I think will be a big plus for him. Finally, he is very imposing on the mound….one big guy who looks like he is 10 feet away when he strides toward the plate.

  25. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:36 am

    Greg-

    I went to Cancun eons ago before it was such a tourist trap.

    It was a paradise.

    I fell in love w Tulum the moment I saw it.

    The ancient Maya sites were fascinating to me.

  26. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Greg-

    Thanks for the Pineda-live update.

    I’m also hoping Pineda’s velo will tick up some as he develops arm strength.

    Pineda’s slider is like Tanaka’s split in that it is more than one pitch.

    Both are wipeout pitches.

  27. GregD March 30th, 2014 at 9:41 am

    MTU—

    I want to go to Cancun some day as well. I know it’s touristy but still have it on my bucket list.

  28. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Tar-

    We need to have our targets.

    I’m sure the Yankees do.

    You don’t leave that kind of void.

  29. GregD March 30th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    MTU—-

    I was also super impressed with Betances. He seems to have a confidence I haven’t seen before. When he struck out Bautista with the bases loaded, I had flash backs of Mariano in the early years when he struck out many.

  30. DONNYBROOK March 30th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    Unless Jeet is going to Sac Bunt when he comes up with the DP in order, and situational hit in general from that 2 Slot, he should be batting 9th and Gardner hitting from the 2 Hole. From what I have seen in Spring Training, Jeter is pretty much a ground ball machine at this point. On the rare occasion he does get the ball in the air and beyond the infield, there is little power to drive the ball through the gaps, and certainly Not over an outfielder’s head. I thought Jeet would be good for 10 HR’s this season, but from what I have seen thus far, It looks like 5 HR’s is a very optimistic number.

  31. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    Greg-

    I can understand.

    Fascinating area.

    If it were me I would go a bit farther south.

    Akumal or even lower.

    Belize is wonderful also.

    Much less touristy.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Thanks Tar,

    Tom’s triangulation attempt failed though. He caused confusion instead. His problem, not mine or the person he tried to ensnare. Nor yours, but I appreciate you nonetheless.

  33. Tar March 30th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Thanks for all the insights Greg.

  34. Madrugador March 30th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Agree with CC. Yanks will patch SS until a drafted youngster can fill the spot. It willl seem strange not having an icon in that position.

  35. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Mags-

    I kind of doubt that.

    I think they need a D-Rob level type guy to replace the great one.

    That is not a tire patch.

    We’ll see exactly how smart Yankee brass are.

    They’ve had plenty of time to prepare.

  36. Tar March 30th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    J Alfred

    It was uncalled for, no thanks necessary.

  37. blake March 30th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Madrugador says:
    March 30, 2014 at 9:49 am
    Agree with CC. Yanks will patch SS until a drafted youngster can fill the spot. It willl seem strange not having an icon in that position.

    That is a bad idea and could take a decade or more to actually work…..they tried to patch catcher after Posada retired…..and that’s when they had several good catching prospects……as they still ended up signing McCann because their catching was such a disaster last year ….. They have nothing in the system at SS

  38. blake March 30th, 2014 at 9:58 am

    Teams with no money have to patch important positions until they develop a player to play there…..a team with the Yanks revenues shouldn’t do this because they don’t have to.

  39. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Blake-

    It shouldn’t be a problem if they have planned for it.

  40. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    They have nothing in the system at SS

    ————-

    Inaccurate. They have nothing in AA or AAA. But below that they’re loaded at SS and 2nd. I’m not saying hoping for one of them to be a starter in three years is wise, I’m just saying I think that’s going to be their plan if they can’t trade for a bonafide star. Especially if one of the Charlston kids follows up on last season’s quality year.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Avelino is far away, but what’s encouraging about the reports, along with his tools. Is his
    Reported heartiness and poise. Players who have both tools and instincts can move fast. Not 2015 fast obviously since he oPens in Charleston, but the whole package sounds like a guy to really hope for

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    Headiness

  43. Tar March 30th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    “Teams with no money have to patch important positions until they develop a player to play there”

    Does that kind of team ( no money)even exist anymore.

  44. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    ————-

    Inaccurate. They have nothing in AA or AAA. But below that they’re loaded at SS and 2nd. I’m not saying hoping for one of them to be a starter in three years is wise, I’m just saying I think that’s going to be their plan if they can’t trade for a bonafide star. Especially if one of the Charlston kids follows up on last season’s quality year.”

    I don’t really count players that are in A ball or below…..they are just too far away to accurately project. With regards to anything that can help in the next 3-4 years…..they have nothing…..and they certainly have nothing they can count on

  45. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Every team has talent in the lower levels…..it really means nothing if they don’t progress and most players don’t

  46. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    ” With regards to anything that can help in the next 3-4 years…..they have nothing…..and they certainly have nothing they can count on”

    Correctamundo.

    ;)

  47. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Sometimes I wonder how these guys in the front office got their jobs.

    They shouldn’t worry about replacing Jeter with another icon. As Blake mentioned, that strategy failed miserably last season at catcher.

    Just get somebody who can actually play the position – and hopefully play it well.

    It’s not like they have Mickey Mantle waiting in the wings to replace DiMaggio. And given their recent history of drafting position players – they may not have someone who can be a long term solution for many years.

  48. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Does that kind of team ( no money)even exist anymore.”

    Not really but it varies…..some teams have a lot tighter budgets than others

  49. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Yes…..they don’t have to get Tulo (although that would be nice)……just get somebody that is a real big league player to play SS. I don’t want a bunch of human duct tape while they wait on the next Jeter to develop……because the chances of that are very very low

  50. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    I’m sure the Yankees are hoping thy have the Jeter solution in-house.

    Good luck w that one.

    :)

  51. Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    It’s not as easy as saying “just throw money at the problem.” Take Jeter next season for example. When he retires the Yankees don’t have an in-house solution for SS. The players slated to hit free agency who play SS are Asdrubal, Hanley and JJ Hardy. Assume that the Dodgers reach an agreement with Hanley to stay – that leaves Asdrubal who hasn’t really hit much the last couple of years and Hardy who hits for power, doesn’t get on base and is entering his mid-30s…not exactly guys you want to blow away financially.

    The other option is to trade for a SS but the problem is you need to have something that the other team wants if you’re going to do that.

  52. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Chip-

    I think we will have plenty to offer by next season.

  53. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Great challenge trying to rebuild almost an entire IF.

    Especially one that was as good as ours used to be.

  54. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    There are a # of guys on the Yankees who simply need to disappear for them to continue to move forward.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:18 am

    We are “loaded” at SS, but what gives me hope re Avelino is he sounds like a guy who may actually stick at the position.

    Every few years we have “depth” at SS at the lower levels, and those guys can never stay there. Feliz was originally a SS, for instance.

    Culver’s glove will definitely stick, but his viability question hovers around his bat. Good early returns on batting strictly right-handed, and we’ll see if he can expand the sample size.

    Avelino being in Lakewood for 3 games will bring some clarity to the numerous and very high reports from different sources. He obviously is impressing a lot of people and is our No. 1 SS prospect.

  56. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    I don’t really count players that are in A ball or below…..they are just too far away to accurately project. With regards to anything that can help in the next 3-4 years…..they have nothing…..and they certainly have nothing they can count on

    ————-

    Let me be very clear. I’m not saying they could or should count on any minor leaguer. But I am saying that I think that’s what they WILL do. They will piece it together for a couple years. They won’t be signing Ramirez to a 6 yr contract. Of course, my definition of piecing it together is clearly different then some other posters on this board.

  57. austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    It is foolish to wait for or rely on a player who has yet to play full season baseball. The odds such a player becomes a solid major leaguer is probably 10%. They need to add a real shortstop by next year.

  58. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    Just imagine if the Yankees chose to replace Mo w a lesser quality than D-rob.

    Now apply that same logic to Jeter.

    They are not going patch such an important position IMO.

    Of course, as CC points out, patch is a relative word.

    ;)

  59. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:06 am
    ————-

    I don’t really count players that are in A ball or below…..they are just too far away to accurately project. With regards to anything that can help in the next 3-4 years…..they have nothing…..and they certainly have nothing they can count on”

    ——

    This is something I’ve been saying for a long time and I know Blake has as well. I’m still waiting for some publication or site to take up my suggestion and do a prospect ranking/analysis of teams based only on minor leaguers at AA and above. I think such an endeavor will cause the Prospect Industry to re-think what value actual means and begin to properly assess players like Almonte and Numo and dispense with worn out notions like “ceilings.” The focus needs to be on players who have a real chance of helping out a major league team and not the Avelinos of the world.

  60. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    They needed to add a real shortstop a couple of years ago but….

  61. Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 10:20 am
    It is foolish to wait for or rely on a player who has yet to play full season baseball. The odds such a player becomes a solid major leaguer is probably 10%. They need to add a real shortstop by next year
    ———————————–

    Agreed – it’s wonderful to have the ability to follow prospects but at the same time until a guy hits AA it’s too early to start holding roster spots for him.

  62. Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    Exactly !

    A prospect is only that until proven otherwise

  63. Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Not sure that the organization has enough to put together a trade package for either Tulo or Reyes.

    Not sure what they feel about Didi or Franklin

    But what we do know is that it won’t be Nunez.

  64. Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Pretty neat that NYY have 4 rookies on the opening day roster

    Anyone know the last time that happened ?

    96 with Jeter, Posada, Mo & Pettitte ?

  65. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    But why do the Yankees need a perfect replacement for Jeter? It looks like they are going to shift much more going forward. Anna might be more then good enough if they shift.

  66. Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Chip

    Franklin got sent to AAA on Friday, just sayin ……….

  67. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Not sure that the organization has enough to put together a trade package for either Tulo or Reyes.

    —-

    I can’t disagree with that – at least in regards to Tulo.

    However, if the Yanks are really that concerned about replacing Jeter with someone who is worthy of that “honor” I tend to doubt they would choose Reyes.

  68. Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:36 am

    Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 10:35 am
    Chip

    Franklin got sent to AAA on Friday, just sayin ……….
    —————————

    He got sent to AAA the day they signed Cano.

  69. jpmatrixfan88 March 30th, 2014 at 10:37 am

    Iron Horse,
    Pretty sure it happened the year Ramiro Pena first made the team.

  70. Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:36 am
    Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    Not sure that the organization has enough to put together a trade package for either Tulo or Reyes.

    —-

    I can’t disagree with that – at least in regards to Tulo.

    However, if the Yanks are really that concerned about replacing Jeter with someone who is worthy of that “honor” I tend to doubt they would choose Reyes.
    ————————–

    They aren’t going to be able to replace Jeter with someone who is Jeter-esque because that guy doesn’t exist. In terms of ability though, if he’s available, Reyes certainly has the talent to play the position and having Ellsbury and Reyes at the top of the lineup would be quite dynamic.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    MTU March 30th, 2014 at 10:17 am

    Great challenge trying to rebuild almost an entire IF.

    Especially one that was as good as ours used to be.
    ////

    Yep. We had the best 3B, SS, and 2B in the team’s history, all playing on the same infield together.

    Had we any kind of pitching from 2005 up to the 2009 championship year, we would have been in the ring mix more often.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:41 am

    Reyes can’t stay healthy and he’s not their button-down “type”, I would say.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    The Orioles and Rays apparently have inquired about Franklin. If the Yankees are poking around there though, we probably won’t hear about it.

  74. Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    jpmatrixfan88

    Any idea on who the 4 were then ?

  75. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 10:42 am

    dan l March 30th, 2014 at 10:34 am
    But why do the Yankees need a perfect replacement for Jeter? It looks like they are going to shift much more going forward. Anna might be more then good enough if they shift.

    ——

    This is a very interesting point. I’ve already written about how sophisticated defensive alignments should chance the way hitters are valued placing a premium on the Non-Defined Hitter, but I haven’t giving much thought to how this development may affect how we evaluate fielders. Perhaps the SS with the great range is not as valuable now as before since he may not even be playing SS most of the time! Things are changing real fast. Coney the other day said defensive metrics are going to be completely inscrutable soon because all the traditional fielder placements have changed.

    Brave new world folks. Adapt or die.

  76. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:43 am

    Chip March 30th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    They aren’t going to be able to replace Jeter with someone who is Jeter-esque because that guy doesn’t exist. In terms of ability though, if he’s available, Reyes certainly has the talent to play the position and having Ellsbury and Reyes at the top of the lineup would be quite dynamic.

    —–

    I agree that it’s stupid for them to think they have to replace Jeter with someone who is Jeter-esque.

    But if it’s something they are actually serious about doing, I don’t think Reyes would be that guy based on his reputation not to mention his history of injuries.

  77. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Then again, they signed Ellsbury with his history of injuries so I suppose they are capable of anything,

  78. GregD March 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    The Yankees won’t pick up Jeter’s replacement during this season IMO……….the exception could be if they could a good AA prospect but I’m not sure that’s going to happen unless they have an extra piece that someone needs for a play off drive……….but the Yanks won’t be sellers in July

  79. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Yanks could in theory could improve @ 2b,SS and 3b in 15… they should consider whomever represents the greatest upgrade at those position if all 3 can’t be addressed at the same time or is too expensive to do so in terms prospects or money.

    Jed Lowrie for example, will play well at 2b or the aforementioned Franklin could also fit well at 2b. There is no pressing need to replace Jeter with someone of his ilk nor is realistic enough to do so in 15.

  80. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Let me be very clear. I’m not saying they could or should count on any minor leaguer. But I am saying that I think that’s what they WILL do. They will piece it together for a couple years. ”

    I don’t disagree….I just think that’s dumb. They should be trying to make a trade or signing Drew to a 2 year deal

  81. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    Most of the prospects that are the real deal don’t stay under AA for very long.

  82. mick March 30th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    Replace Jeter?
    That will never happen again in our lifetimes.
    They will do what they have tried to do and rebuild with players who have leadership qualities at other positions.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 10:52 am

    I think it’s fun to chart the progress of miL players with upside, even if they’re still in A-ball.

    It may be futile and they may never become anything, but it’s also futile to discuss “trade targets” or future “FAs” who are firmly entrenched stars on other teams – how likely is it that they will become Yankees? It doesn’t stop all the euphoria about “when we get Kershaw” or “when we get Justin Upton”, etc.

    For me, it’s far more rewarding to watch our own work their through the system and for the ones who make it to AA, their tangibility as future Yankees increases and what’s more, they’re within the New York metro area radius and one can actually go see in person what the fuss is or isn’t about.

    Long live the farm.

  84. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    I think it’s fun to chart the progress of miL players with upside, even if they’re still in A-ball.”

    Yea I mean it’s fun to follow…..I just think when you’re actually planning your big league roster you should pretty much ignore most prospects until they do something at AA and above.

  85. SweetSpot March 30th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am
    Then again, they signed Ellsbury with his history of injuries so I suppose they are capable of anything.
    ——
    His injuries were not chronic or serious at all. Just bad luck. Almost every ballplayer gets injured now and then.

  86. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Forgetting the whole SS debate, the yanks have a ton of highly regarded talent in Charleston, Tampa and Trenton (especially Charleston) this year.

  87. blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:58 am

    The truly special players are gonna just dominate A ball to a point where they are moved up really quickly in most cases…..there are exceptions like Cano for example that actually do develop kinda on a linear path and get a little better as they go……but that’s pretty rare…..most studs in the big leagues were studs all along and were fairly easy to spot

  88. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    SweetSpot March 30th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am
    Then again, they signed Ellsbury with his history of injuries so I suppose they are capable of anything.
    ——
    His injuries were not chronic or serious at all. Just bad luck. Almost every ballplayer gets injured now and then.

    —–

    I hear that a lot from those who loved the Ellsbury deal but he didn’t run into any walls or other players when he strained that calf and he’s been out for over 2 weeks now.

    Call it bad luck or whatever you like but he’s been out of action for various reasons throughout his career thus far.

    Some players just has a hard time staying on the field and I believe Ellsbury is one of them.

  89. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Some players just have a hard time staying on the field

  90. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:03 am

    I believe Yanks are cognizant of the problem after Jeter as well multiple holes on the inf. Just as it is obvious they no longer view Nunez as an option at SS, they don’t view Drew as a short term or long term solution. I believe Cashman will be exploring the trade front.

  91. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:05 am

    Historically when the Yankees try to trade for things rather than just buy them it doesn’t end well…..or at least not as well as it could have if they has just spent money

  92. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    The Farm is one leg of a three-legged stool.

    It should neither be over rated or under rated.

    All prospects are suspects until shown otherwise.

    Ad most prospects are born w a trade me label attached from the get go.

    ;)

  93. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    sp: and

  94. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:06 am

    I probably agree with you more than you think JAP. I love watching young players and dreaming about what they can become. I think sometimes a single A game is more fun to watch than a ML game. Hell, I love going to the park with by buddy and watching kids play and talking about the SS’s arm.

    It’s just the whole prospect analysis thing is so convoluted. And finally I’m old enough to actually understand that. I remember Earl Weaver ripping into Mattingly, saying he was just a singles hitter when he came up. And I think Earl was pretty smart. A hell of a lot smarter than that Bowden guy. But I bet you couldn’t find one prospect “expert” who had Mattingly’s ceiling as an MVP. Same with Cano. Oh, folks thought he had the skills to be a major leaguer. But no one thought he ever become who he is now.

    Right now, Nuno is probably the Yanks No. 1 prospect and nobody knows it. Why? Because right now he could be in the starting rotation of probably at least 10 ML teams. Who else in the Yankees minor league system could you say that about? And lets talk about ceilings for a second. Once a player becomes a regular in the major leagues, there is no ceiling. Nuno could turn out to be Tommy John and make 6 all-star teams. Or he can flame out in a year. There’s really no way to know so why talk about it and confuse the issue. What we do know, is he’s good enough to be a major league starter now and that’s all that counts.

    I said a couple weeks ago there’s only two simple questions that one should ask about a prospect: Can he make it to the major leagues and contribute, and can he be a starter/regular. After that, all other talk is meaningless.

  95. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:08 am

    Blake-

    “Historically when the Yankees try to trade for things rather than just buy them it doesn’t end well…..or at least not as well as it could have if they has just spent money”

    That needs to change.

    ;)

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    blake March 30th, 2014 at 10:54 am

    I think it’s fun to chart the progress of miL players with upside, even if they’re still in A-ball.”

    Yea I mean it’s fun to follow…..I just think when you’re actually planning your big league roster you should pretty much ignore most prospects until they do something at AA and above.
    ///

    It’s especially fun though because even the A-ball guys you can catch by going to Staten Island, NY (beautiful little ballpark, too – the miL park experience is decidedly different and more slow-moving, old-world than the current Big League experience – even with all the hokey stuff, or maybe, in part, also because of it), and this happens to be a Charleston-at-Lakewood year so that 3-game set is see-able for Yankee fans who live in the area.

    The Yankees never plan their roster around prospects, that’s just their publicspeak; when guys are knocking on the door, they nail it shut and prefer to seek “seasoned” mediocrity, rather than risk the chance that a development curve may have a higher pay-off.

    So the Yankees do the opposite of what you said: they talk up their prospects, but when they are reasonably ready or warrant a trial, that’s when they ignore them.

    Cone made me laugh interviewing Girardi, with that leading question: “The farm gets a raw deal, but you guys have players who can play, no one give you credit for it” etc. and Girardi’s going “yeah, we have some guys who were injured and didn’t have great years because of it” or whatever he said.

    But Joe – it’s you guys who bury your own. Almonte had no chance to compete for a COF spot this year; they thought so little of him, that they went out and signed 36-year old Carlos. I like Carlos, he can really hit. But they basically told the world they had no faith in Almonte, after Girardi said a year or so ago that “his time has come.” Come to do what?? Be the sixth OF? And Chad himself said they regard him as a 4th OF. Well, even Cone can see that “Almonte can flat-out hit.” But the team thinks he basically is a bench player; after watching him for a couple of years in Trenton, I can say that is bad self-scouting. He should have gotten a real shot.

  97. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    bigdan22…with the emphasis on shifting becoming more important then what matters is how they do it? With a SS with the defensive rep of Ryan it’s easy to move the third baseman to second but that means he needs to be able to turn a double play at second.

    The Rays however let Longoria cover the entire left side of the infield when they shift.

    So if teams continue to shift more and more then versatile infielders make more sense if they are above average offensively. This goes for first base as well when they shift 3 to the left side.

    Shifting could have another effect on the game by increasing the value of a full time DH as team won’t want traditional big bats and lesser fielders on the corners.

  98. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Historically when the Yankees try to trade for things rather than just buy them it doesn’t end well…..or at least not as well as it could have if they has just spent money
    ——
    That might have to do Cashman’s ability to identify talents more than anything else.

  99. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:11 am

    That might have to do Cashman’s ability to identify talents more than anything else.”

    Well it has had to do with a lot of things…..including that other teams don’t like trading with the Yankees and also that Cash has been pretty limited in the chips he’s had to make deals

  100. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Let’s face it, I like see a better GM. No, Cashman is not the worse. But Yanks need to somehow pried Friedman loose. Yanks deserve a greater architect to the greatest organization in sports.

  101. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    JAP,
    Yea baseball is unique in that you can really see these kids young and watch them grow…..that’s fun for fans…..all I’m saying is that GMs really need to be careful about placing hopes and dreams on kids before they really prove themselves in the upper levels……just too unpredictable

  102. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:13 am

    By the end of this season, or even before, our Pitching staff and Farm might just be the talk of the town.

    Don’t get caught napping.

    The talent is there.

    Just a little luck for a change.

    ;)

  103. SweetSpot March 30th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Straining a calf in spring training is hardly major cause for concern. To not sign a premier player and one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball because of some accidental collisions doesn’t make much sense to me. I can’t see the Yankees brain-trust sitting around the conference room table saying lets pass on Ellsbury beacuse af accidental run-ins with Beltre, Brignac and a doctor’s misdiagnosis. Those circumstances are not commensurate with being injury prone.

  104. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:15 am

    blake, when you trade for Javier Vazquez twice, my opinion of him will never be high. When Texas was exploring loopholes in IFA prior to CBA where was Cashman? When Sox starting to shift part of their budget to Jamesian analysis where were the Yanks.

    Yanks are follower of trends under Cashman!

  105. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Let’s face it, I like see a better GM. No, Cashman is not the worse. But Yanks need to somehow pried Friedman loose. Yanks deserve a greater architect to the greatest organization in sports.”

    They need to keep Cashman and add someone like Friedman to run the development side

  106. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Yanks need a GM with greater vision and also little smarter and more creative.

  107. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Evolution continues next year.

    No revolution in the works.

    Incremental progress under this admin.

    We’re getting there.

    Just need to close the circle.

  108. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:17 am

    “blake, when you trade for Javier Vazquez twice, my opinion of him will never be high. When Texas was exploring loopholes in IFA prior to CBA where was Cashman? When Sox starting to shift part of their budget to Jamesian analysis where were the Yanks.”

    Vazquez was dang good when they traded for him…..he magically lost like 4 mph on his fastball the minute he put pinstripes on. That trade didn’t kill them…..actually they got Boone Logan out of it who really was probAbaly the most valuable player in the deal aside from Melky for 1 season

  109. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    Almonte cannot crack an OF that already contains Gardner, Ellsbury and Beltran and if need be, Soriano.
    Ichiro is not his obstacle as being the 5th OF is not a goal.
    Barring injuries, next year will be his shot, but even then it is as a 4th OF.
    Every hugger should be known for their patience which is sorely lacking here.

  110. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    They need to keep Cashman and add someone like Friedman to run the development side

    they could keep him as coffee boy.

  111. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Just in recent years the Yanks traded for Swisher, Granderson, Abreu, Kerry Wood, Eric Hinske and Ichiro(trade worked out well…resigning him is another story). All of those worked out just fine. Of course there were misses ( Ivan Rodriquez anyone?) during that time too. But you can say the same with every team.

    Plus, we still have the jury out on the Pineda deal. That could end up being a big win too.

  112. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Interesting point dan l. I think where you are going is there really are no distinct infield positions anymore. Except maybe 1b. The other three fielders will be moving around so much that versatility will be the key. You won’t be looking for a SS’s range or a 3b arm anymore but guys who can do all those things and turn a DP too.

    Interesting.

  113. SweetSpot March 30th, 2014 at 11:19 am

    International signings in July should be really interesting to say the least. It’s fun going shopping with basically no limit on your credit card.

  114. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Vazquez was dang good when they traded for him
    ——
    he was never damn good in the AL, esp AL east even when was in his prime.

  115. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:22 am

    The Yankees will never place a high premium on the Farm despite their protestations to the
    contrary, and despite budgets.

    The Farm is just one prong of a 3 pronged strategy that includes strategic acquisition (primary), Trading and the Farm (2ndary).

    FWIS the Yankees primary weapon always has been, and always will be, their moolah.

    :)

  116. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    It looks like Almonte is just a miss. He just developed too slowly for the Yanks. It seems like the Yanks have more patience with slow developing pitchers. Nova might be a good example of that. I think the Yanks signed/extended one too many OFs this off season but what’s done is done.

  117. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Oh yeah Sweet Spot !

    Last chance saloon before the rules change again.

    The Yankees know it and are prepared to literally steal he show.

    :)

  118. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    Back later amigos.

  119. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    he was never damn good in the AL, esp AL east even when was in his prime.”

    He was certainly better in the NL but he wasn’t a disaster in the AL either…..200 innings every year and a lot of Ks…..Cashman was trying to add depth and inning a to the rotation with that trade and dealth Melky who Gardner had beat out and a minor league reliever who has been hurt all the time since the trade.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    It’s just the whole prospect analysis thing is so convoluted. And finally I’m old enough to actually understand that. I remember Earl Weaver ripping into Mattingly, saying he was just a singles hitter when he came up. And I think Earl was pretty smart. A hell of a lot smarter than that Bowden guy. But I bet you couldn’t find one prospect “expert” who had Mattingly’s ceiling as an MVP. Same with Cano. Oh, folks thought he had the skills to be a major leaguer. But no one thought he ever become who he is now.
    ///

    dan, I have drawn no conclusions re how much your agree or disagree with me – hadn’t given it much thought, honestly.

    We both have an interest in prospect gazing; the more the merrier. There are way more prospect folks on here now than when I first joined Lohud back in ’08 (as Bodhisattva). Back then, it was pretty much champ809, a kid called Brandon, Greenberet, some guy who hasn’t been around who called himself fiveironfromfenway, and maybe a couple of others whose names I don’t recall. GB7 got to see the Charleston guys and had the milb.tv account, so he would post a lot of prospect information, but there wasn’t much dialogue about it here.

    Re Cano: I did think he had the talent to become what he is now and said so back then; I compared him to Mattingly and that was sacriligious here. A few of us here projected he would become what he is today.

  121. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:27 am

    Almonte , being a switcher, will give him extra rope but timing is everything and this is clearly not his time.

  122. Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    ………… ‘he was never damn good in the AL’

    ===========

    No one has or had a crystal ball to predict how he would perform based him on changing leagues to the AL East. He was pretty good in the NL at the time of the deal

  123. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:30 am

    look a little deeper blake, Vazques was a disaster in big games and in PS. His stuff match up terribly with a patient and length lineup of AL east esp chief rival RS. He served his purpose as inning eat, Guillen was so disgusted with Javier’s lack of fortitude (debatable) and what actually matters (his performace in big game), white sox had no second thoughts of trading him.

  124. Iron Horse March 30th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    SweetSpot

    You have a ‘no limit’ credit card in your pocket ????

    Where u at ???

    I’m on my way ! !

  125. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    I know nothing about him, but:

    @Ken_Rosenthal: #Indians designate RHP Preston Guilmet for assignment. Had 1.68 ERA, 20 saves, 72 Ks, 14 BB in 64 1/3 innings at Triple A in 2013.

  126. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:31 am

    Free Friedman!!!

  127. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Re Cano: I did think he had the talent to become what he is now and said so back then; I compared him to Mattingly and that was sacriligious here. A few of us here projected he would become what he is today.

    ======

    Did anyone say that while he was in the minor leagues? That’s my point regarding prospect analysis. He wasn’t hyped at all by the Prospect Industry. I doubt he ever made any top 100 list.

  128. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Javy had his posted a sub 3 era with the braves and Cashman dealt Melky and Vizcaino for him and Boone Logan……on the surface and at the time it seemed like a great trade for the Yankees…..who could have predicted Javy would lose his fastball completely over the winter……I still believe he was hiding a shoulder injury and wouldn’t tell anybody

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:23 am

    It looks like Almonte is just a miss. He just developed too slowly for the Yanks. It seems like the Yanks have more patience with slow developing pitchers. Nova might be a good example of that. I think the Yanks signed/extended one too many OFs this off season but what’s done is done.
    ///

    He’s a switch hitter – they take longer. Melky is exhibit A (also who Zoo reminds me of).

    What’s done is done, but seems that’s the refrain, to explain away another misstep by these folks. Almonte’s 24 years old; Beltran is 36. Maybe Beltran helps them win a title – that would be the extreme in optimism, but it’s certainly not impossible. Could have kept Cano, not signed Beltran and Ellsbury, let Zoo have a COF spot, signed Cano and McCann. Much more dangerous team, and one with more stamina to remain good for several years, especially with the potentially lights out, young pitching.

  130. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Seattle was going to outbid us for Cano, whatever the cost, how did we not go after Cano?

  131. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Yanks having a 200 mil payroll and nowhere near the talents in justifying that dough. If hal wants to be more efficient, he better get another GM who is more than two trick pony of buying expensive FAs and garbage diving. they need someone who has better baseball acumen and greater vision.

  132. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:35 am

    look a little deeper blake, Vazques was a disaster in big games and in PS. His stuff match up terribly with a patient and length lineup of AL east esp chief rival RS. ”

    You’re thinking of one game where he pitched in relief and gave up the homer to Damon…..again just evaluate the trade and not what Javy was supposed to be or wasn’t supposed to be……he wasn’t acquired to lead the staff…..he was required to add depth and innings to it

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Javy had his posted a sub 3 era with the braves and Cashman dealt Melky and Vizcaino for him and Boone Logan……on the surface and at the time it seemed like a great trade for the Yankees…
    ///

    I didn’t think it was a great trade at all. They did what they always do; pulled the Joba plug because it was too much trouble to develop him. Got rid of a young SH who had really showed improvement as a LHH and a preview of what was to come: a very talented bat. Matsui and Damon were old, and they let a very projectible young hitter go. Didn’t like it at the time, and it came from their very low – and wrong – expectations of what Cabrera could be.

  134. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Coney is funny about Almonte. Every time his name comes up Coney talks about how he’s a major leaguer RIGHT NOW and what a hitter he is. Almost like he’s his agent.

    I like Coney. He’s real smart and uses all the new metrics. But he’s not always right either. I heard say a couple times in the past that Nunie’s bat was good enough for the OF. I don’t thing he’s saying that now.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Sorry, improvement as a RHH in Melky’s case.

  136. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Coney loves to hear the sound of his own voice.

  137. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    go look at his PS record blake… the White Sox basically excluded him from starting in the playoff. It’s more than Damon… the writing has been on wall with ChiSox.

  138. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    bigdan – I merely meant that Almonte’s hitting talent is obvious to Cone, too.

    I saw enough of Almonte to make my own conclusions about him, I am not looking for Cone to confirm them. I’m just saying that it’s comical how Cone can see it (even if he’s also brown-nosing to some degree; he’s not wrong) but the Yankees whisper to Chad Jennings that Almonte is not really a regular.

    The irony is there.

  139. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    melky is a product of peds. not that that matters , right..

  140. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:39 am

    “I didn’t think it was a great trade at all. They did what they always do; pulled the Joba plug because it was too much trouble to develop him. ”

    The braves couldn’t develop him either and ended up making him a reliever and he’s been hurt all the time anyway …..and regarding Melky…..it’s possible they gave up on him too early…..but honestly he’s done nothing to prove that other than one season where he got busted for PEDs

  141. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:37 am

    Coney loves to hear the sound of his own voice.

    So does Michael Kay.

    And everyone is this forum will agree that Cone has far more interesting things to add to a broadcast than Kay does.

  142. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    he was required to add depth and innings to it
    ———
    that is clearly not case with Yanks expectation of him when they acquire him. If you are content with Cashman leading this organization going forward so be it.

    I am not.

  143. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:41 am

    Mick-

    IMO is very good baseball mind.

    Especially when he is talking about pitching.

    I enjoy his commentary very much.

  144. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:42 am

    ed: Cone. Does help to provide a subject.

    Duh.

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:43 am

    You’re thinking of one game where he pitched in relief and gave up the homer to Damon…..again just evaluate the trade and not what Javy was supposed to be or wasn’t supposed to be……he wasn’t acquired to lead the staff…..he was required to add depth and innings to it
    ///

    They did this though by ignoring the age of their lineup and wonder of wonders – the bat they traded is the kind they have been sorely missing for the last 3 years. They needed that kind of bat against Cliff Lee, come to think of it, in 2010. Andy pitched his heart out and they flailed against Lee. Look at the approach by the Giants in the WS that year.

  146. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    Cone is a mercenary, everybody likes him, including myself.
    He is not long for that booth and can see him as a PC or Mgr before long.
    He is infinitely more interesting than Kay but can pick his spots more.

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:44 am

    that is clearly not case with Yanks expectation of him when they acquire him. If you are content with Cashman leading this organization going forward so be it.

    I am not.
    ///

    Me neither, but we are stuck with him. He’s got the job for life, apparently.

  148. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Gotta disagree with you a bit JAP on comparing Melky and Almonte. Too completely different situations but probably the same end result.

    Melky got 460 ABs for the Yanks at age 21!! Now how rare is that. I was a pretty big fan of Melky back in the day. I was against the Santana trade in part because I didn’t want to see Melky included. I remember something James said back in the early 1980s. When a 21 year old makes it to the majors and hits ML pitching with authority, usually they have a pretty special career. Melky hit .280 for the Yanks at age 21. Almonte at 24 isn’t even a back up.

    It will be interesting to see how the rest of Melky’s career pans out.

  149. SweetSpot March 30th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    It seems to be a foregone conclusion that international signing rules are going to be changing sooner rather than later to some kind of draft-like system. Hence the Yankees decision to go on a buying spree now. It’s a good move as it can help minimize any farm shortcoming they’re enduring now for past drafting and developing misses domestically.

    I think ideally, a team should seek balance when it comes to acquisitions; draft, international signings, free agent signings and trades. I believe the Yankees intentional shift away from drafting high risk – high reward high school players to more developed, skilled college athletes will stand them in good stead down the road.

  150. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    that is clearly not case with Yanks expectation of him when they acquire him. If you are content with Cashman leading this organization going forward so be it.”

    I would like to see them make Cashman the president of baseball ops and then then get Friedman or somebody like him to be the GM and then for ownership and Levine to totally leave them alone ……I

  151. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    A cavernous ball park and NL was a great way to mask Javier’s deficiency.

  152. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    bigdan22…I think Nunez has the skill set for CF…he has good speed an offensively his bat will play there.

  153. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    I would like to see them make Cashman the president of baseball ops and then then get Friedman
    ——–
    since we are just dealing fantasy… you think Friedman will come aboard with that type of arrangement?

  154. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    I would want Friedman running the show.

  155. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    They neglected the offense for years….basically since 2009 they just let it ride thinking that anybody hey dressed up in pinstripes would hit. It really started when they passed on Holliday

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    The braves couldn’t develop him either and ended up making him a reliever and he’s been hurt all the time anyway …..and regarding Melky…..it’s possible they gave up on him too early…..but honestly he’s done nothing to prove that other than one season where he got busted for PEDs
    ///

    No, he had two seasons where he hit .300 or better from both sides of the plate.

    His hitting was going to blossom, he took a step forward in 2009. Switch hitters take longer, and that year, he became a much better RHB – the reason Girardi sited in him winning the CF job.

    Last year, he had a tumor on his spine that took his mobility and core power away from him. He’s healthy this year and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he returns to hitting .300. I expect him to, if he can stay healthy.

  157. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:48 am

    I like most of the guys who were former players as announcers.

  158. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 11:49 am

    blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    I would like to see them make Cashman the president of baseball ops and then then get Friedman or somebody like him to be the GM and then for ownership and Levine to totally leave them alone ……

    —-

    Yeah, that would totally kick ass.

    But it would also kick ass if I won the Powerball. Not sure which has a better chance of becoming reality.

  159. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    I think Melky is a .270/15/70 sort of hitter off the juice.
    And that is not bad.

  160. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    a tumor on the spine? that should be looked into. ped related?
    if so, will his health never be a question..

  161. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    “I like most of the guys who were former players as announcers.”

    ——

    I miss Bill White.

  162. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    since we are just dealing fantasy… you think Friedman will come aboard with that type of arrangement?”

    Why not…..especially if you double his pay. nY is a totally different animal than Tampa……he’s not used to the media and he’s not used to the expectations and every move being dissected. It’s a whole new set of challenges than he’s dealt with……Cashman could help him a lot with that sort of stuff

  163. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    I’d rather have a guy like Mozeliak than Freidman but we aren’t getting either.

    Curious to see how Luhnow does w the Stros.

  164. mick March 30th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    you see that is the problem with peds, they will always present the question: could he have done it without them?

    this will become more prevalent as they are eliminated from the scene, which they will be..

  165. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Why Friedman? I want nothing to do with him and much prefer someone like Michael Girsch or David Forst instead. I like the idea of Cashman as team president in charge of baseball ops.

  166. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    JAP
    I didn’t like losing Melky either….I’m just saying I understood the trade. They were trying to win another title in that window…..and they felt they needed more pitching. They liked Gardner better and felt they could afford to make the deal.

  167. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    I tell you something, .300 hitters are going the way of the Dodo bird. If there’s a guy out there who can consistently hit .300 or close to it, I’d pay up for that.

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:53 am

    bigdan,

    Melky was rushed up, primarily to humiliate Bernie Williams – Melky wasn’t remotely ready and his SH progress suffered.

    Almonte is ready and is being passed over, so they are opposites, in this respect, but they are both SHOF who can hit doubles all day and who are sharp situational hitters and good two-strike approaches. Almonte has more power, and Melky is probably the better pure hitter and better fielder.

    Their SH though and versatility as hitters – and how the Yankees projected both as fourth OFs – is why I make the comp.

  169. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Why Friedman? I want nothing to do with him and much prefer someone like Michael Girsch or David Forst instead. I like the idea of Cashman as team president in charge of baseball ops.”

    It didn’t have to be him…..just somebody with a track record of developing players and operating on a budget

  170. Revenge of Stoneburner March 30th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    the secret of the manager

  171. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    bigdan22 says:
    March 30, 2014 at 11:53 am
    I tell you something, .300 hitters are going the way of the Dodo bird. If there’s a guy out there who can consistently hit .300 or close to it, I’d pay up for that.

    So is power…. so is offense in general….nobody can hit anymore. Maybe that’s why the mariners and Tigers were willing to pay so much for Cano and Cabrera……in an era where nobody can hit…..guys that actually can hit are the new inefficiency

  172. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I tell you something, .300 hitters are going the way of the Dodo bird. If there’s a guy out there who can consistently hit .300 or close to it, I’d pay up for that.
    ___

    And teams are!
    Miggy: (10/292)
    Trout: (6/144) and still a free agent by age 30.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 11:56 am

    blake,

    I too understand their thinking, I just think that thinking was off. They had a championship team that they got way too cute with. They changed the team too much, and their age really showed in that 2010 series against a more supple, athletic Texas team. They got old fast, and they never saw it coming.

    Seeing it coming is part of good management.

  174. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Buster said on the radio this morning that it’s widely known that trout is intrigued at the idea of being a Yankee

  175. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    We will see if Cano’s numbers stay up in Seattle.
    He is going to get the Bonds walk treatment, only Cano has no patience.
    I see his average go down, his homeruns down, and his resentment of Seattle go up pretty quickly.

  176. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    why not…..especially if you double his pay. nY is a totally different animal than Tampa……he’s not used to the media and he’s not used to the expectations and every move being dissected. It’s a whole new set of challenges than he’s dealt with……Cashman could help him a lot with that sort of stuff
    ——-
    then what are you are saying is Cashman should be Friedman’s assist GM. you want Friedman as the GM and want to end your affiliation with Cashman in a gentler fashion by relegating him as a figurehead.

  177. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Buster said on the radio this morning that it’s widely known that trout is intrigued at the idea of being a Yankee
    ___

    He was smart to take the deal and he will still be in his prime when FA comes around.
    I have little doubt he will be a Yankee after 2020.

  178. blake March 30th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    JAP,
    Well we disagree…..that’s ok.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    I miss Bill White.
    ///

    The best. And the perfect yin to Rizzuto’s yang. White was the most intelligent, anti self-promoting baseball guy. Tremendous. Miss that laugh, too.

  180. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    then what are you are saying is Cashman should be Friedman’s assist GM. you want Friedman as the GM and want to end your affiliation with Cashman in a gentler fashion by relegating him as a figurehead.”

    No…more like co- GMs with different roles. Friedman could handle the development side and Cash could handle the media and all the PR crap that a Yankee GM has to deal with as well as free agent courting. And thy both could have input on trades etc. A lot of the smart organizations now have multiple voices in the front office\….

  181. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    btw, Friedman has NY roots. what you describing as adapting process is neither daunting nor as complicated as it to require an elevation of Cashman to higher position in rewarding a job not well done.

    more importantly, I don’t think Friedman will leave Tampa under that structure as all.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:57 am

    We will see if Cano’s numbers stay up in Seattle.
    He is going to get the Bonds walk treatment, only Cano has no patience.
    ////

    No?

    Take a look at last season’s OBP.

  183. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Getting to be time to lower the mound and liven the ball again.

    ;)

  184. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    aight, I am done with my Cashman rant…

  185. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    Buster said on the radio this morning that it’s widely known that trout is intrigued at the idea of being a Yankee
    ___

    He was smart to take the deal and he will still be in his prime when FA comes around.
    I have little doubt he will be a Yankee after 2020.

    ——

    It’s way too early to make any predictions like this about Trout, but I don’t see the contract as a barrier at all to him becoming a Yankee (or a Dodger for that matter) in the future. He’s gotta get paid now. He can’t wait to be a FA. But he’s gotta give up some free agent years to get paid and he did. I think there will still be room for him in Monument Park. Hope he keeps his nose clean.

  186. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    Take a look at last season’s OBP.
    _____

    .383?

    That’s good but not amazing for a guy that was pitched around religiously.

  187. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 11:50 am

    I think Melky is a .270/15/70 sort of hitter off the juice.
    And that is not bad.
    ///

    No way.

  188. CountryClub March 30th, 2014 at 12:06 pm

    Buster said on the radio this morning that it’s widely known that trout is intrigued at the idea of being a Yankee

    ———–

    Angels admitted yesterday that they wanted to give him a longer deal. Trout wanted shorter. So they met somewhere in the middle.

  189. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    The Halos are getting Trout’s best years.

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    ac1 – He isn’t Nick Johnson. He goes up there looking for a pitch to drive, he doesn’t go up looking to draw a walk.

  191. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Harper wants to be a Yankee too !

    And he isn’t taking any extensions.

    ;)

  192. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    Take a look at last season’s OBP.
    _____

    .383?

    That’s good but not amazing for a guy that was pitched around religiously.
    ___

    And to name a few people with better OBP than Cano in 2013….
    Joey Votto
    Andrew McCutchen
    Michael Cuddyer
    Daniel Nava.

    Point is you cannot argue Cano is patient with a .383 obp. which was only .69 higher than his average.

  193. mick March 30th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    As far as there being no offense in todays game, this is a result of the money in the game.
    These guys aren’t playing for the love of it but for the love of the money.
    No one today could hold a candle to Aaron, Mays, Mantle, etc.. the list goes on and on.
    Once they get the money their game declines or stays the same until their contract year when they ramp it up.
    Also keeping up with the ped users is a problem.
    If they start using at a young age, we already see decline at an early age.
    The best results are attained at a later age when they are on their way out and further injury could be blamed on natural causes.
    The might be able to play till their 50′s but like Bonds they get out maybe due to lack of pressure or health problems that peds cause.
    Money and peds are ruining the game.

  194. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    ac1 – He isn’t Nick Johnson. He goes up there looking for a pitch to drive, he doesn’t go up looking to draw a walk.
    __

    EXACTLY

    That is my point.
    He will not be able to sit back while he is pitched around in Seattle for 10 years.

  195. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    I miss Bill White.
    ///

    The best. And the perfect yin to Rizzuto’s yang. White was the most intelligent, anti self-promoting baseball guy. Tremendous. Miss that laugh, too

    —–

    They were the most entertaining duo. I love how Phil never called White by his first name. And Bill was so pleasantly deferential to Phil and his idiosyncrasies. Like Phil was his beloved uncle who he just liked spending time with.

  196. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    Mick-

    The new policies are going to help deter use.

    And help to level the playing field.

  197. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    And I agree, and have said so many times, that Javy being thrown into that bases-loaded situation with Damon at the plate – who he had been awful against, btw – was a no-win situation for a starter.

    They might have given him the start over the dooming Kevin Brown. My stomach just turned when they named him the Game 7 starter. I went to the Stadium with my gallows face on.

  198. mick March 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    MTU

    It will when they start getting kicked out of the game.
    I need to know if prior suspensions count against new ones going forward.
    If so, Braun could be gone on his next suspension.

  199. austinmac March 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    This is Cashman’s last year under his contract. I assume he will return, but it is no sure thing. The problem is if he left we would probably just promote from within.

  200. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

    I think Trout took that deal more for off the field marketing purposes…Advertisers know where he’ll be for the next 7 years now…much more lucrative for him now.

  201. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    Buster said on the radio this morning that it’s widely known that trout is intrigued at the idea of being a Yankee
    ——–
    He is a NJ kid. But I will contemplating more of it when it’s closer to 2020.

  202. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    “Harper wants to be a Yankee too !

    And he isn’t taking any extensions”

    —–

    I’d be very surprised if Harper doesn’t sign a contract like Trout’s. But they’ll be room for both when the time comes.

    That’s why it’s super important for Hal to protect the brand. Tanaka was key. Tulo wouldn’t hurt either next year. Gotta channel a little of his father every now and then.

  203. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    Mick-

    Not sure if the agreement is retroactive.

    Should be.

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    blake,

    The best was the HOF speech (or “ad lib”), where Rizzuto said “Hey White, what do they call that cereal in the South?” re grits. White just broke up.

    And White said something like it was interesting to work all those years with a partner who didn’t know his first name :)

  205. mick March 30th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Mick-

    Not sure if the agreement is retroactive.

    Should be.
    ============
    where is the face of jerk when you need him?

  206. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Boras may just be posturing but he said Harper is not taking any extensions.

  207. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    I think Melky is a .270/15/70 sort of hitter off the juice.
    And that is not bad.
    ===
    I always thought he would become a 285-300 hitter, on a good year he might hit for higher average. I do believe power wise he is about a 15 dinger guy.

  208. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    Having Ny roots is hardly the same thing as being GM of the Yankees

  209. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    There was no PED that benefited ballplayers more through the daily grind of a season in 100 years of MLB than amphetamines.

    Old timers don’t want to believe it, but yes, their iconic heroes of yesterday used them too.

    Amphetamines have only been banned from the game since 2006.

  210. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Trout took that deal as insurance in case he were to get hurt …..

  211. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    The problem with Melky all the way back from the beginning of his minor league career is he only gets it done for 40 games at a time…never consistent without the juice. Can he now?

  212. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    My view on enchancers is that either everybody should be able to use them, or no one should.

  213. mick March 30th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    greenies were like cocaine or a few cups of coffee. it was a short shelf life.
    todays peds are more conducive to ongoing performance yet more debilitating injuries.
    i don’t know if you saw players like i mentioned but there was no comparison and many more than today.
    that has nothing to do with greenies.

  214. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    It would not surprise me if they just went with Ryan as the starting SS next year, if his back isn’t a problem.

  215. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Point is you cannot argue Cano is patient with a .383 obp. which was only .69 higher than his average.
    ////

    He put up his best OBP with the worst support to date around him, and was way more selective than he’s ever been.

  216. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

    “There was no PED that benefited ballplayers more through the daily grind of a season in 100 years of MLB than amphetamines.

    Old timers don’t want to believe it, but yes, their iconic heroes of yesterday used them too.

    Amphetamines have only been banned from the game since 2006″

    —–

    I think that’s very true and often not appreciated. Joe D used to have a clubhouse boy feed cup after cup of strong black coffee throughout the game. And it must have gotten a lot harder with all the cross-country plane travel.

  217. mick March 30th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    some of you probably are ok with gambling being allowed too…seems like an ethics issue.

  218. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    Blake…Trout could have leveraged all the money he’s made off the field on insurance if he really wanted to protect himself. I think this is a way too build his brand. The Angels paid up knowing they can ride his on an off the field curtails like the Yankees have with Jeter.

  219. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    dan l March 30th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
    The problem with Melky all the way back from the beginning of his minor league career is he only gets it done for 40 games at a time…never consistent without the juice. Can he now?

    It’s not a given he is off the juice now.

  220. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    Having Ny roots is hardly the same thing as being GM of the Yankees
    ———
    Blake, he was an investment banker in NY at Bear Stearns, one of the more dog and dog firm in NYC. Why do you thinking meeting media and being under scrutiny is such a daunting task for him?

  221. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    *dog and dog.

  222. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    “Blake…Trout could have leveraged all the money he’s made off the field on insurance if he really wanted to protect himself. I think this is a way too build his brand. The Angels paid up knowing they can ride his on an off the field curtails like the Yankees have with Jeter.”

    He could have but probably hard to turn down 144 million guaranteed when you’re 22 and still 4 years away from free agency

  223. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

    I give up… dog on dog.

  224. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    dan l March 30th, 2014 at 12:18 pm

    The problem with Melky all the way back from the beginning of his minor league career is he only gets it done for 40 games at a time…never consistent without the juice. Can he now?
    ////

    This sounds like confirmation bias. Minor league players are not even close to their prime years. Melky’s upgrade as a hitter coincided with the beginning of his prime years. Being a switch hitter is also a slower curve to play out. He’s not only a really good hitter, he is a genuine switch hitter. They may bat him sixth until he warms up from the right side, but after that, he should be in the top third regardless of pitcher handedness. If they go by this spring, where he raked both ways, they may just start him in the 2-spot regardless. Melky could always hit a curveball, too.

  225. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Blake, he was an investment banker in NY at Bear Stearns, one of the more dog and dog firm in NYC. Why do you thinking meeting media and being under scrutiny is such a daunting task for him?”

    I wasn’t aware that investment bankers have to deal with Joel Sherman texting them all day and writing a daily column on every move you make……he may handle it just fine……point is that there are a variety of challenges that comes in nY that he hasn’t dealt with in Tampa……..Cashman does some things very well and ideally Id like to keep him around but still have a fresh voice with more of a background in what the Yankees want to do……which is develop more players and run more efficiently

  226. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Since there is no knowable context for who does or doesn’t juice, the argument that his success, or anybody else’s, is solely juice-fueled is not credible.

  227. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    it has to do with the ability to handle matters under duress, blake.

  228. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Cano is never going to be Joey Votto as a hitter…..but he has improved his approach and pitch selection recently. He’s dang good……I think trying to poke holes in his game is just kinda silly……if you don’t like the the contract fine…..but cano is one of the 10 best players in the game and has been for awhile now

  229. Giuseppe Franco March 30th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    mick March 30th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    greenies were like cocaine or a few cups of coffee. it was a short shelf life.
    todays peds are more conducive to ongoing performance yet more debilitating injuries.
    i don’t know if you saw players like i mentioned but there was no comparison and many more than today.
    that has nothing to do with greenies.

    —–

    Medical technology has advanced quite a bit and it’s nothing more than your speculation that more injuries are directly linked to PEDs.

    Players who are on PEDs or not are in far better condition than the average player in the 50s or 60s. Guys who spend so much time being active and staying in shape year round sometimes comes with the downside of being vulnerable to injuries.

    Mantle was a physical freak and he suffered a ton of injuries throughout his career. They weren’t all related to being a booze hound.

  230. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Cashmoney,
    I’m great at handling pressure at my job…..no clue how Id handle it at something else I’m not familiar with. Generally people handle pressure well when they are comfortable and familiar with what they are doing…..,again It may would be a non issue……but having Cashman around woukdnt hurt

  231. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    ===
    I always thought he would become a 285-300 hitter, on a good year he might hit for higher average. I do believe power wise he is about a 15 dinger guy.
    ///

    In YS he could have been a 20-plus HR guy as he matured, because he does have some power, and because he makes such solid contact.

  232. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
    Since there is no knowable context for who does or doesn’t juice, the argument that his success, or anybody else’s, is solely juice-fueled is not credible.

    I think it’s pretty obvious with many examples that it does help performance. As for Melky, he was out of shape and played badly in Atlanta, then got more in shape and bigger than he ever was and started playing great, then got caught using peds. Walks like a duck…

    He was a good player with talent before, but to say the ped discussion about him is not credible is just plain denial.

  233. blake March 30th, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    Basically with the Rays……you have an excuse you you don’t win…..if you do win you’re a genius……if you don’t though then hey how can you with that payrol? It’s a totally different animal with the yankees……

  234. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:35 pm

    It’s not out of realm of possibility Pru. I think basically what PED did for Melky was jacking up his power numbers.

  235. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    The Yankees simply do not act like a small market Team nor should they have to.

    It’s when they try to be to fine that they look foolish.

    I think Hal has finally figured that one out.

    Or at least I hope he has.

    ;)

  236. bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....ey-101038/

    —–

    Some minor league notes over at RAB. Season starts this week!

    –good to see Flores at AAA. I thought that might be possible after his performance in the big league camp. I think with Solarte and perhaps Greene and Burawa, he was the most pleasantly surprising player this Spring. Betances actually made that impression on me a couple of years ago.

    –Campos in extended spring training. Is he hurt again? Geesh.

    –It’s good to see Katoh in Charleston. Early reports had him going short season but I didn’t think that was necessary. Dominated last year in GCL.

    –Worried about Bird. Apparently back problems kept him out 2012. That’s not good.

  237. RhapsodyInBlue March 30th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    The Yankees brought up Melky to further humiliate Bernie?

    Coffee coming out of nostrils.

  238. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    I think it’s pretty obvious with many examples that it does help performance. As for Melky, he was out of shape and played badly in Atlanta, then got more in shape and bigger than he ever was and started playing great, then got caught using peds. Walks like a duck…

    He was a good player with talent before, but to say the ped discussion about him is not credible is just plain denial.
    ///

    He probably started using to lose weight. He has that kind of “kapha” body that collects fat. He was in better shape, but the PEDs did not give him his hit tool; where are all the .300 hitters?? Who’s he facing? How do you know the guy throwing cheese isn’t juicing? He was a guy with a hit tool way back when. The meme around here on him is the denial, IMO. People jumped on the “lazy” Melky thing, the “corrupting” Cano thing, the “fourth OF” thing, and he proved those people wrong, including Brian Cashman. Wish he was still a Yankee, along with Cano.

  239. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    random base thoughts, I think Mets are good for 80 games, If and when Harvey returns, they can only be better if Wilpon spends more dough.

  240. BoJo March 30th, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    I’m sure ARod will be ready and willing to take over for Jeter next year, and that is the Yankees plan.

    Ba-dum! :-)

  241. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    If you combine the best of the Mets and the Yanks, they be a juggernaut, but I guess you can say about almost every two teams combo.

    useless random thoughts.

  242. RhapsodyInBlue March 30th, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    How did Melky prove anyone wrong in the Yankee organization by getting a suspension for PEDs?

    He’s lucky he’s still in the game.

    I’m sure they were all quite relieved that it didn’t happen in NY.

  243. RhapsodyInBlue March 30th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Yeah and Armstrong would have won all of those Tours without the juice.

  244. Cashmoney March 30th, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    Beltran
    Wright
    McCann
    Granderson/Sori
    Tex/Duda
    Murphy
    Jeter

  245. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    I liked Melky and thought he was a natural .280-.300 hitter with about 15 hr power, I just think steroids enhanced his performance.

  246. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    And I think maybe Flores is about the same as Melky before ped with a little more patience.

  247. RhapsodyInBlue March 30th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    bbb51

    I agree on all counts.

  248. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 1:05 pm

    Squat-

    Using Ryan in place of Jeter next year would be one of the dumber moves the Yankees ever made.

    Not happening.

    At least I hope not.

  249. J. Alfred Prufrock March 30th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Well if you thought he was potentially a .300 hitter you were in the vast minority here.

    Time to go to brunch.

    Good one, folks.

  250. bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    The rest of the lineup needs to be strong if you have Ryan hitting 9th. I don’t think he will ever hit. D would be real nice though.

  251. RhapsodyInBlue March 30th, 2014 at 1:11 pm

    If you thought that Melky was brought up early to humiliate Bernie Williams you’re in a much smaller minority.

  252. dan l March 30th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Melky was always a 30 game performer during his Yankees years including the minors. He could never get it done for a full season…this is why he’s not a Yankee now. Will he perform well this year without the juice for an entire season? IMO it’s doubtful.

  253. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    I don’t see Ryan as anything but a BU SS.

    No way he is a starter on the Yankees.

    Sacrilegious after a guy like Jeter.

  254. Hankflorida March 30th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Yep. We had the best 3B, SS, and 2B in the team’s history, all playing on the same infield together.
    Had we any kind of pitching from 2005 up to the 2009 championship year, we would have been in the ring mix more often.

    Alfred, you have defined one truism that many on this blog do not take into account because of the failure in the postseason, and that is we had the best 3 players playing together in the infield in all of Yankee history. I would hope that Johnson and Roberts replacing A-Rod and Cano would hit well with runners on bases but looking at their previous records, they were not known to be RBI players when the pitchers were bearing down on them. This year, our pitching has to keep us in the game as runs will not be as plentiful as they were when the Yankees were still The Bronx Bombers.

  255. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Ryan and AR need to disappear ASAP so we can start a proper rebuild of our IF.

  256. ac1 March 30th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Yankees will not let Ryan start at SS next year. If they cannot replace Jeter from within, they will do their damnedest to make a trade for Tulo or someone like that.

  257. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    Hank-

    The Yankees need to be superior at the up-the-middle postitions.

  258. MTU March 30th, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    sp: positions

  259. Revenge of Stoneburner March 30th, 2014 at 1:27 pm

    bbb51 March 30th, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I think it’s pretty obvious with many examples that it does help performance. As for Melky, he was out of shape and played badly in Atlanta, then got more in shape and bigger than he ever was and started playing great, then got caught using peds. Walks like a duck…

    He was a good player with talent before, but to say the ped discussion about him is not credible is just plain denial.

    ******

    Thank you, thank you +10000000. I applaud you for your courage.

    Additionally, why did Melky even think he had to take it in the first place? Yanks were right to get rid of him when they did, just like Montero, just like Tabata. Austin Jackson was a tough one and would have liked him back – and Quintana obviously.

  260. mick March 30th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    The Yankees brought up Melky to further humiliate Bernie?

    Coffee coming out of nostrils.
    ======================
    RIB, nice pickup, I just don’t bother anymore….Oliver Stone?

  261. mick March 30th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    Yankees will not let Ryan start at SS next year.
    =============================
    Let’s hope Anna makes Ryan expendable this year.

  262. tomingeorgia March 30th, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    RIB,
    Looking forward to some trout pictures. Is there a lot of water in the streams? Have you the beginnings of a thaw?

  263. RhapsodyInBlue March 30th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Tom,

    In the 40s with light rain the past few with flood warnings. Most of the snow is gone I’m considering an exploratory trip tomorrow to look at the condition of the streams in the mountains.

    The old Colgate Estate by Hunter has a small lake, actually man made with a earthen dam that the state stocks with Brook trout. I have to look at that as well to see where the ice is.

    I hit it just right one year, last season not so.

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