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Bullpen notes: Robertson moves quietly into new role

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Mar 31, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

David Robertson

I talked to Dave Robertson for about three minutes this afternoon. The conversation was strictly about sunscreen. Our longest conversation that I can remember from spring training was all about where he buys boots in Tampa. He did that one group interview about the ninth inning right when spring training opened, but for the most part, Robertson has quietly taken this new role without many questions or early problems.

A narrow lead tomorrow night will be Robertson’s to protect with no Mariano Rivera behind him and no Rafael Soriano safety net waiting in the wings. It’s a huge change for the Yankees, and it’s hardly ever come up in conversation the past month and a half.

“I think he’s earned that role over time behind here,” Joe Girardi said this afternoon, asked about Robertson for what felt like the first time in a month. “What he’s done when he first came up, and then moving to the eighth inning and the success that he had, some of the dominance that he showed in the course of seasons and being a big strikeout guy, I think he earned the responsibility of the closer.”

It’s worked out so far. Robertson had a quietly strong spring allowing just one hit and two walks through seven Grapefruit League games. He will go to the bullpen tomorrow night as the unquestioned closer, and Girardi said the transition comes with a long leash.

“There’s no doubt he’s going to blow a save (eventually),” Girardi said. “It just happens. I know one guy had a streak for a long, long time, but it’s part of the game. And I think his teammates will have his back and I think he’ll bounce back. … I don’t go into the season thinking that he’s not going to be our closer or I’m going to have a short leash. He’s our closer.”

Three other bullpen notes leading into tomorrow’s opener:

BetancesWarren1. Girardi said he still plans to have Shawn Kelley and Matt Thornton as his primary eighth-inning options. As for the seventh inning, it sounds like he would be more likely to use either David Phelps or Adam Warren rather than Dellin Betances or Vidal Nuno. “I’ll probably go with the experienced guys a little more (in the seventh),” Girardi said. “And then you’ll see how they’re throwing and maybe you go with the hot hand a little bit.”

2. Speaking of guys like Phelps, Warren and Nuno: Girardi said each night he wants to hold one of those three back as a true long/mopup man, but he also expects to use those three in shorter stints. “Sometimes when you only have one long man and that guy gives you five or six innings, unfortunately for that guy, sometimes he gets sent down,” Girardi said. “You might not have to do it in this case because we have a couple of different guys who can do that. I anticipate us having some multiple-inning guys too, so our bullpen’s going to have a different look. Most of the years I’ve been here it’s been seven, eight, nine – it’s been drawn out – but that’s not so clear now.”

3. Donnie Collins reports that spring bullpen standout Chris Leroux is likely being held back in extended spring training so that he can be stretched out to pitch as a starter this season. If that happens, it seems Scranton/Wilkes-Barre will open with a rotation of Alfredo Aceves, Shane Greene, Bruce Billings, Chase Whitley and Brian Gordon. Leroux, Manny Banuelos and Nik Turley could be added to that mix at some point. That’s a lot of spot start/long relief options down the road.  “We’re hoping we have some depth, we’re hoping we have alternatives,” Brian Cashman said. “We’re hoping we have protection when the storm comes, because it does come. It comes for everybody.”

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168 Responses to “Bullpen notes: Robertson moves quietly into new role”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 31st, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    “Trisha, I’m a totally glass half full guy. And I plan to enjoy the ride this season. If something goes wrong, there will be trades. I don’t think ownership do want another “No PS-less money year””

    DOUBLE candy for that!

    I’m the same way, and I too plan to enjoy the ride! It’s exciting to watch the season unfold. And there’s usually something worthwhile to take out of all games, losses as well as wins. The season is its own work in progress. Embrace it and grab for the silver lining rather than the distant black cloud that could be blown away by the next game!

    :)

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 31st, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Little did he know when he was playing for the Cape Cod league that one day he would be closing for the New York Yankees!

    Good things happen if you’re patient my friends.

    GO YOU NEW YORK GEMS!!!!!

  3. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Sox lose on opening day what a perfect start!

  4. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Repost:

    “SweetSpot March 31st, 2014 at 7:37 pm
    Yankee baseball can’t wait. Blake, I hope you’re happy and excited even though the Bombers are “Drewless” . . . : )”

    I would say we are all “drewling” about our Fab-5 rotation

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue March 31st, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    “I would say we are all “drewling” about our Fab-5 rotation”

    :lol:

    You know as excited as I am about our rotation, I think I’m even more excited about DRob in the closer role!

  6. SweetSpot March 31st, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    JMV – I could not agree more. If we can avoid the injury bug, I’ll take our five starters over anyone. I think Sabathia understands how to pitch at 89-91 and has the heart of a lion, Kuroda if he gets some rest now and then is a stud, Tanaka is going to be better than advertised, Nova could wind up being a great pitcher and Pineda a number five? Pineda? Fugetaboutit!!! What a staff!

  7. Ys Guy March 31st, 2014 at 7:57 pm

    marcel ozuna tied for the major league hr lead.

  8. austinmac March 31st, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    I think we will start to learn all answers tomorrow. It doesn’t seem right so many other games were played today.

    The Yankee game is on the MLB Network but I bet I get blacked out even though there doesn’t seem to be a local broadcast. John and Suzyn for me.

  9. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    The Stros are a Team the Yankees need to mop the floor with.

  10. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    About pitching… Couldn’t help to take a look at Sux gameday…Isn’t 100+ pitches for Lester too much for an opening day?

  11. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    Ys – Ozuna is tied for 2nd… Alejandro De Aza is in the lead… He’s on pace to hit 324 this season!! :D

  12. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    Yep. Astros must be swept. In an extended-spring training way. Let’s start strong.

    Pedal to the metal… Where’s jmills?

  13. MTU March 31st, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    I have to go for now.

    You guys n gals play nice.

  14. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    jmv, great to see your racing Ayrton Senna self!

    What an opener that was, oh boy :D

  15. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    I just got through finishing the film , ” Hick “. What a lovely sensitive film, you couldn’t help but pull for that kid.

  16. pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    There was an article by King in the Post talking about Robertsons lower velocity at the end of ST, how he was down to 88-89 mph. While his velocity tends to increase during the season this is lower than it usually is at this time/

  17. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    How are you, my Jays friend?

    Your Jays need some Gilles’ spirit up there

  18. pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    ” jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    About pitching… Couldn’t help to take a look at Sux gameday…Isn’t 100+ pitches for Lester too much for an opening day?”
    ========================

    If they inflate his ERA in the first half they can get him to drop his price for an extension.

  19. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    I just saw an interesting list… there are 8 current major leaguers that have spent their entire career with one team (minimum 10 years). Jeter leads the way with 19 seasons as a Yankee. Any guesses on the others?

  20. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    pete2, LOL

    Glenn,

    The Elf, Mauer come to mind

  21. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    jmv, we could use all the gilles spirit in the world in Jay land. They interviewed his son, jacques, and jacques related the huge thrill his dad got of competing in an inferior car. Because of ultra poor handling, gilles used to call his circa ’81 Ferrari, ” that big red cadillac “. Gilles’ victory on the tight streets of ’81 Monaco remains outstanding never understood to this day. In the south African ( I think ) gp of that year ( might have been Spain ), gilles held off a string of 4 cars. Not one slip. Mental wonder – gilles villeneuve.

  22. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    jmv – Mauer is correct at 10 yrs… Lil Dusty isn’t on the list

  23. raymagnetic March 31st, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    Matt Cain if you count this year

  24. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    Funny story. They put a heart monitor on gilles, and where commonly a racer’s heart beat gets above 200 per minute, villeneuve’s never superceded 127 despite him not being a big exercise guy.

    Syrton Senna and gilles in the rain, what a match that would be!

  25. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Cain isn’t on the list so this year must not be counted

  26. JCPD March 31st, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    Chicken…. I can think of David Wright, Rollins & Utley and Y Molina…. then I’m stumped

  27. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    …there would be gilles, car sideways on opposite wheel lock while dirt and gravel were spitting everywhere. And back in the pits, gilles was in stiches, he loved it! He was not a fan of stupid traction control aids like down suction skirts. In gilles’ mind, that would take the intrigue out of the corner. Gilles was known to be a fair driver, Senna, not.

  28. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    Ayrton vs Gilles would had been 200 per minute, but for the fans

  29. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    JCPD – correct on all counts. I’ll post the other 2 in a bit if we get no more guesses

  30. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    Hint – the last 2 play in the national league… one for a team in the east, one for a team in the central

  31. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    Glenn, road story:

    From London to Edinburgh, 400 miles, it rained all the way… multiple “windy road” signs…and it all while driving from the right side, shifts on the left…worst trip ever.

    Of course, it all went away once we arrived. Beautiful city

  32. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:33 pm

    How old is Braun? Brewer for life, he says

  33. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    jmv – I have enough trouble navigating while driving on the right (pun intended) side of the road :)

  34. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    jmv, there’s a hilarious story of gilles driving in Monaco. The coffee shop owners thought gilles was coming through their patio, while on the otherside, fans, marshalls, photographers etc were getting away from the guardrail that they were convicned gilles was going through. Somehow, at the last impossible second, gilles pulled the car in amd sped off in his happy way.

    Senna astouned too for it seemed that his car was melting with that guardrail.

  35. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    nah.. 7 years for Braun

  36. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Yadier Molina?

  37. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    rr212 – Molina is correct but he was guessed earlier… still 2 left

  38. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:37 pm

    Ah, i must have missed it. Sorry.

  39. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    A couple of spins in that Glasgow parking lot and I was ready to left hand that volkswagon shifter. The no speed limits in certain places like Belgium was a hoot. For once, no worries of Sting and his damn police.

  40. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    I don’t remember the year, but I watched Senna (who was leading the standings by 1 point) crash on Prost on the first turn of the last GP. Disloyal move

  41. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    so far:

    Jeter – 19 yrs
    Jimmy Rollins – 14 yrs
    Chase Utley – 11 yrs
    Joe Mauer – 10 yrs
    Yadier Molina – 10 yrs
    David Wright – 10 yrs

  42. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Glenn, some extra clues! Pitchers? Position players?

  43. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    Ryan howard

  44. JCPD March 31st, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Chicken, I’ll go Philly again…. Ryan Howard????

  45. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    Ryan Howard?

  46. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    rr212 – Correct on Howard!

    jmv – the last one is a position player in the NL Central

  47. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    d@mn! You all beat me!

  48. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Who watches NL central? Come on…

  49. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    jmv, Sir Jackie Stuart pinned Senna on that move cutting into, Prost. Senna initially skirted any self blame, but then later admitted he took Prost out for that championship. Not a villeneuve move to be sure.

  50. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Brandon phillips

  51. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Google isn’t allowed. Too much time, LOL

  52. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    jmv/JCPD – sorry, I didn’t see your Howard guesses… rr212 beat you to the punch

  53. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    nope on Philips

  54. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Oh wow. I thought i had it. Dang!

  55. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ShPc3nY5m5w#

    jmv, you’ll enjoy the above Senna doc – ” the right to win ” the man is certainly a paradox.

  56. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Last hint then I’m gonna post the answer in about 5 minutes if no one guesses:

    Plays for the Brewers

  57. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I don’t even know the teams at NL central, LOL

  58. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Rickie Weeks

  59. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    If it isnt weeks, im stumped.

  60. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    You got it

  61. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Who cares about the NL Central, this is the AL East, baby. Robin Yount and Paul Molitor, you guys scare me!

  62. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    rr212 – ding ding ding. Winner winner chicken dinner.

    You guys are good. I thought the list was interesting because I think I would have only gotten about half of them… I would have never thought of Weeks.

    The link to the list:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/lifers

  63. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Did I? Chicken? I should know these. Lived in philly for 6 years. Watched a lot of NL games in my time. Cant wait til tomorrow!

  64. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Sweet! Yes, very interesting. I really enjoyed that!

  65. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    chicken, what is the question? 80′s related please!

  66. JCPD March 31st, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Hard to believe Weeks has been around that long.

  67. rr212 March 31st, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    Jcpd—totally agree. Seems like yesterday when he came up. Time goes quick.

  68. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    jmills – Yankee related, Jays related, or just general ’80′s question?

  69. JCPD March 31st, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Can’t wait to go to the home opener!!!

  70. JCPD March 31st, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    The Blue Jay home opener that is…… get to see Tanaka’s first MLB game!!!

  71. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    chicken, I don’t know, whatever happened to Spandeau Ballet?

  72. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    This Friday is going to be fun folks. ” McGowan, get in the way the best u know how “.

  73. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    Any fan of HIMYM? It ends today…

    Can’t wait to see Tanaka…

  74. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    Ok jmills – I have a Yankee/Jay question but its not from the ’80s.

    There were at least 2 former Yankees and at least one future Yankee on the first (1977) Blue Jay roster (there may have been more but I know these 3 for sure)

  75. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    JCPD – hope you have a blast.

    jmv – sorry, not sure what that is

  76. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    JCPD, you’re going to get to witnees some silly fans at that Jays opener. Rude types that ruin a family’s evening.

  77. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    got to drop offline for a bit… catch you guys in a few

  78. JCPD March 31st, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    jmills….. I can be rude back with the best of them ;-) Nah, I”m good at ignoring rude

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Girardi is already deciding that Betances won’t be used in the 7th inning.

    Great. Why not just send him down to AAA – he’s not going to pitch unless the starter gets knocked out early, which means we’re not going to take advantage of him to help secure a win and get leads to Robertson.

    I know what this is going to be: Melancon II. Betances will go days and days without pitching, and wind up on a milk carton, and then when he can’t throw the ball over the plate, Girardi will revert to confirmation bias and say “Cash, I can’t use this kid – he can’t throw strikes,” and so will go the self-fulfilling prophecy.

    He has to “earn” the eightth, fine. But no Betances in the seventh? He’s going to be a mop-up man, I see. Great use of a great arm, fellas.

  80. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Chicken, Jim Mason was plucked from your ’76 roster. Didn’t Paul Mirabella start with you guys? Bill Singer started that first game. Alvis Woods and Doug Ault saved it with their blasts. Ron Fairly hit 19 homers in that expansion ’77 season and almost hit one out in the YS all star game.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Hey jmv! I think I owe you an email, friend :)

    Good to see you talking baseball.

  82. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    Rick Cerone was the future Yankee to be on that Jays team.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    JCPD, you’re going to get to witnees some silly fans at that Jays opener. Rude types that ruin a family’s evening.
    ///

    jmills,

    We were out in Alberta in the late 80′s for a couple of those classic Edmonton-Calgary series.

    In Calgary, while staying at the Palliser, of all places, a couple of drunks descended upon us and started hollering that we looked like “Iranian terrorists.” Very effed up. The rest of Calgary was very nice, however; an under rated town, I would say, although I preferred my stays in Edmonton :)

  84. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    chicken, Otto the Swatto Velez was the other former Yankee with that expansion Jays team.

  85. pkyankfan69 March 31st, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    I watched Sportscenter for a few minutes just now… The guy doing the play by play called Jackie Bradley Jr “a phenom” lol

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    jmills, the education of Stroman and Sanchez better undergo a fast-tempo curve.

    You’re in dire need, my friend.

  87. SweetSpot March 31st, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    I think Girardi is doing exactly the right thing with Betances. No need to put pressure on him needlessly when there is no pressing need to do so. Let him spend some time in the pen, hanging out with the others, getting the routine down, acclimating himself to the show.

  88. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Alfred, I’ve only ever blown by Calgary and Edmonton at 500 mph. The plane was busy showing a terrible figure skating movie with, Robbie Benson – ” Ice Castles ” ?

  89. pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    “J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Girardi is already deciding that Betances won’t be used in the 7th inning.

    Great. Why not just send him down to AAA – he’s not going to pitch unless the starter gets knocked out early, which means we’re not going to take advantage of him to help secure a win and get leads to Robertson.”
    ======================

    Maybe not even when the starter gets knocked out early since he wants to keep his 3 SP depth guys in the BP stretched out in long relief.

    Seems he will be limited to mop-up late in some losing games.

    If its a repeat of last year he will not get much work and when he does come in he will be ineffective. Betances has to work often to stay sharp

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    Thornton and Kelley give us a better chance than Dellin to deliver the ball clean to DRob??

    I think not.

  91. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Alfred!

    Glad to see you received it. Don’t worry, I’m a late response guy myself, LOL

    Don’t worry either about Betances. Joe has a record of being a good bullpen manager. Dellin will earn his way to EIG, as long as he cut on walks

  92. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Alfred, its not that bad….yet. Hand me one of those sedatives if you don’t mind, I left them on the night stand, just too lazy to get up.

  93. Jerkface March 31st, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Let him spend some time in the pen, hanging out with the others, getting the routine down, acclimating himself to the show.

    He has already been to the major leagues and sat around not getting work. Now is the time to use him and use him often.

  94. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    jmills – you know your Jays! I was thimking of Velez and Mason as the former Yanks, Cerone as the future Yank

  95. pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Anwyays, when managers plan the bullpen usage for the coming season before opening day the Gods laugh.

  96. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    “pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 9:20 pm
    Anwyays, when managers plan the bullpen usage for the coming season before opening day the Gods laugh.”

    Exactly. Bullpen is a day-by-day animal. Except for Mo, of course

  97. comet March 31st, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    JAP I agree with your analysis of Girardi’s use of Betances. It seems foolish to have him on the team.

  98. Jerkface March 31st, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Betances was up in 2011, up and sitting around but not pitching in 2012, and then pitched a bit in 2013. He really, really, really does not need to sit around in the bullpen ‘hanging out’ and ‘acclimating’. And in general… relievers acclimate by pitching, not by watching the grass grow.

    I’m not going to go so far as to say that Girardi is going to mess this up before the games are even played, but I don’t like the way he is talking about how the bullpen will work.

    Girardi IS a very good bullpen manager but he is a slave to roles and loves routine. And if Betances is not included in the routine then he can suffer. Melancon is the guy you look at for how Girardi can potentially mishandle a reliever.

  99. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    chicken, I know lots of meaningless Jays details, what did I win?

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    jmv,

    I have been tardy, forgive me. I will try to be comprehensive as soon as I have the proper silence to allow for that.

    jmv, I do worry, because Girardi tends to lean on veterans even when youngsters give us a better chance.

    Betances is basically unhittable and he gets left-handers out, too. It’s bad enough they took a guy who can dominate for six or seven innings and reduced his window to one or two; I don’t want to see him languish in the pen, lose the edge he’s gained from lack of use.

    Cashman does like Betances, so maybe he’ll lean on Girardi a little to lose the angst over inexperience and trust the arm. Hope so.

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    I still say if Girardi weren’t so skittish to use Betances when we were still technically in the wildcard mix, throwing Joba even though he wasn’t pitching well instead, the outcome might have been different, at least, we would have had a better shot to get there.

    These things get forgotten when you don’t make it, but there was a moment…

  102. chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    chicken, I know lots of meaningless Jays details, what did I win?

    ——————-

    the respect and admiration of Lohud posters everywhere :)

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    He has already been to the major leagues and sat around not getting work. Now is the time to use him and use him often.
    ///

    Exactly, we’ve gone through the Welcome Wagon routine. This is a serious arm that no one hits. Use it or lose games.

  104. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    I am so thankful to remain a member of the AL East. Detroit and Cleveland got pushed off, and Milwaukee, friggin’ Milwaukee, might as well have been shoved into outer space. Who let’s this stuff go on?

  105. bigdan22 March 31st, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 1:42 am
    ” bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Pete2 stay out of the tax advisory arena. That’s not your forte.”
    =======================
    You are correct, neither is it yours though. LOL

    “—Capital losses can only reduce ordinary income up to $3,000 a year last time I checked so that’s irrelevant for these guys.”

    I already said this is irrelevant for rich people. However, offsetting capital gains is not.

    “—There isn’t any scenario whereby an individual keeps more of his paycheck by making a charitable donation. Sure the rich can make a charitable contributions and decrease their tax bill. But it doesn’t mean they take home more money by doing that. It means they are giving it to someone other than the government. In the end, they actually take home less by making the charitable donation than by paying the tax. It’s not a tax credit. It’s a deduction and it’s not dollar for dollar.”

    If its their own foundation it means they are giving it to themselves. Sure they have to give some of it away, but not right away and I have seen financial statements from the Gates foundation online where charitable contributions are only 3% of assets and tax free investment income was greater than their charitable contributions.

    —–

  106. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    I think the rolls in the bullpen will evolve as the season progresses let’s not assume what will happen before it has.

  107. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Chicken, that’s an unbelievably nice thing to say. Thank you Sir!

  108. jmills March 31st, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ZjrGdlNDo

    Chicken I think Natalie Merchant says it better than I, thank you!

  109. bigdan22 March 31st, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 1:42 am
    ” bigdan22 March 30th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Pete2 stay out of the tax advisory arena. That’s not your forte.”
    =======================
    You are correct, neither is it yours though. LOL

    “—Capital losses can only reduce ordinary income up to $3,000 a year last time I checked so that’s irrelevant for these guys.”

    I already said this is irrelevant for rich people. However, offsetting capital gains is not.

    “—There isn’t any scenario whereby an individual keeps more of his paycheck by making a charitable donation. Sure the rich can make a charitable contributions and decrease their tax bill. But it doesn’t mean they take home more money by doing that. It means they are giving it to someone other than the government. In the end, they actually take home less by making the charitable donation than by paying the tax. It’s not a tax credit. It’s a deduction and it’s not dollar for dollar.”

    If its their own foundation it means they are giving it to themselves. Sure they have to give some of it away, but not right away and I have seen financial statements from the Gates foundation online where charitable contributions are only 3% of assets and tax free investment income was greater than their charitable contributions.

    —–

    Haha. I had to laugh about the part about owning a foundation is like giving money to yourself. That’s a great point of view. Of course it’s totally false. If it were true, guys like me would have foundations!

    It might be good to return to the original point. Jeter doesn’t have the scratch to own a Major League team in any meaningful way. Whether he gives the money to the government, or his foundation, or some other charity, Jeter did not keep at least half and probably more than half of the money he’s received from the Yankees and from his various other personal service (promotional) endeavors. That means, that’s money that’s not available to purchase a ML team.

    He could def buy a minor league team tho. Maybe he can compete against Kevin Costner.

  110. SweetSpot March 31st, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Jerkface March 31st, 2014 at 9:19 pm
    Let him spend some time in the pen, hanging out with the others, getting the routine down, acclimating himself to the show.

    He has already been to the major leagues and sat around not getting work. Now is the time to use him and use him often.
    ——
    Not when he has made the team out of spring training. Girardi has shown to be an excellent bullpen manager and I think he and Larry know what they’re doing. I also think you might be taking what Chad reported too literally. Giradi said “probably” and “go with the experienced guys a little more.” That means Betances will get his chances and Girardi also said, “see how they’re throwing and maybe you go with the hot hand a little bit.”

    Betances is starting out with no pressure, he will get his chance like the others and Girardi will slot in whoever is pitching best. Nothing wrong with that it makes perfect sense.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Maybe not even when the starter gets knocked out early since he wants to keep his 3 SP depth guys in the BP stretched out in long relief.

    Seems he will be limited to mop-up late in some losing games.

    If its a repeat of last year he will not get much work and when he does come in he will be ineffective. Betances has to work often to stay sharp
    ///

    My sneaking suspicion is Girardi does not trust Betances in a big spot to throw strikes. If I’m right, then he’s dead wrong.

    I think he can throw strikes well enough every fifth day, and apparently there was a split in opinion on caving his starting career; but that’s not the road they chose.

    OK, you guys chose to take him North as a reliever, but he may end up being neither a starter or a reliever.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    comet March 31st, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    JAP I agree with your analysis of Girardi’s use of Betances. It seems foolish to have him on the team.
    ///

    Well it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence when he’s already announcing he’s not going near the guy in the seventh inning, does it?

    Nice to see you, comet :)

  113. bigdan22 March 31st, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    . Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:08 pm
    Girardi is already deciding that Betances won’t be used in the 7th inning.

    Great. Why not just send him down to AAA – he’s not going to pitch unless the starter gets knocked out early, which means we’re not going to take advantage of him to help secure a win and get leads to Robertson.

    I know what this is going to be: Melancon II. Betances will go days and days without pitching, and wind up on a milk carton, and then when he can’t throw the ball over the plate, Girardi will revert to confirmation bias and say “Cash, I can’t use this kid – he can’t throw strikes,” and so will go the self-fulfilling prophecy.

    He has to “earn” the eightth, fine. But no Betances in the seventh? He’s going to be a mop-up man, I see. Great use of a great arm, fellas.

    —-

    I agree JAP. I think this is a prescription for failure. It all started with just having too many long men. Betances should be used immediately when he’s most likely to achieve success and help the team. Right now, that would appear to be in a meaningful game before the ninth inning.

    The Yanks are just being too clever by half. Hopefully Providence will intervene.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    Melancon is the guy you look at for how Girardi can potentially mishandle a reliever.
    ///

    17 days passed between appearances.

  115. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    I think if Betances pitches well that will speak for itself.

    To compare him with Melancon is unfair.

    Melancon was the closer with Robertson as his set up at AA and AAA.

    For whatever reasons Robertson was able to adjust to NY and Melancon did/could not.

  116. SweetSpot March 31st, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    “Well it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence when he’s already announcing he’s not going near the guy in the seventh inning, does it?”
    ——
    But he didn’t say that. He said he will see how they’re throwing and then go with the hot hand.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    I agree JAP. I think this is a prescription for failure. It all started with just having too many long men. Betances should be used immediately when he’s most likely to achieve success and help the team. Right now, that would appear to be in a meaningful game before the ninth inning.

    The Yanks are just being too clever by half. Hopefully Providence will intervene.
    ////

    bigdan,

    The guy has been throwing strikes consistently for over a year, now, out of the pen. There’s no “risk” any more – he’s not starting.

  118. Jerkface March 31st, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    For whatever reasons Robertson was able to adjust to NY and Melancon did/could not.

    Robertson was able to adjust because he got playing time. He had a 5 ERA in 30 innings of regular use his first year. Melancon got like 20 innings of sporadic use over 2 years and was never given a fair chance. His debut season he had a better ERA than Robertson did.

  119. mick March 31st, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Girardi handles the pen better than anybody.
    He won’t cater to the kid.

  120. mick March 31st, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    You let the season unfold.
    Things happen, you start slow.
    Thrusting Betances into a high pressure role from the get-go could be fatal.
    No need for that.

  121. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    I am still hopeful.

    Hughes and Joba weren’t veterans in 2009

  122. Hankflorida March 31st, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    chicken_stanley March 31st, 2014 at 7:29 pm
    Hank – I’m optimistic Ellsbury will show some pop this year… probably not like the year he had in 2011 but…

    Pete said that Ellsbury hurt his shoulder and that caused his power numbers to go down after 2011. Ellbury has not showed his power swing in ST, and since he is injury prone, spraying the ball around is less probably less stress on the body. If Ellsbury can “Hit em where they ain’t” with runners in scoring position, that is good enough for me, but I still prefer two power hitting corner outfielders on either side of him because of the fact that A-Rod and Cano are gone and Roberts and Johnson may not fit into a team that is balanced. Maybe next year, 2nd, short or 3rd will give us the power numbers to compliment Ellsbury and Gardner as the two best table setters in baseball.

  123. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    And I agree, pitchers need to pitch

  124. pete2 March 31st, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    bigdan2. Its quite costly to set up a foundation and get it approved by the IRS as tax free and then maintain it. The average Joe can’t afford it. Its not recommended for anyone with less than 5 million or so. But among athletes, pretty much every player who makes 10 million year sets up a foundation, and its not just because they are such charitable folks, although they do some good work with it.

  125. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    All of us are anxious for Dellin to pitch well. The truth of the matter is until this spring he’s had control problems.

    Finally pitching the way most of us had hoped he would.

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Here’s at least a partial explanation for Melancon’s failures: the guy sat for 17 days and then when he couldn’t find the plate or locate, he was finished.

    Girardi needs to understand the meaning of “giving a chance to succeed.”

    Betances should have been used in that home Boston series last year in which Nova couldn’t locate his curveball and couldn’t sink his fastball. He went to Joba instead: twice, when Joba clearly had nothing. Everyone but Girardi knew what the outcome would be.

    OK, so fine. He didn’t trust a young guy in a pennant race. That’s all over, now. There are six months of baseball here in front of us: don’t start fooling around, waiting for garbage innings, letting days and days go by while this guy rusts. Better not play out that way.

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    All of us are anxious for Dellin to pitch well. The truth of the matter is until this spring he’s had control problems.
    ///

    He pitched most of last year throwing strikes very well, thank you very much. He’s fine, he’s great, he’s ready to go out and shut people down.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Betances is only fatal to hitters.

    lmao, the guy is unhittable. He’s not going to wilt, especially in a BP role.

  129. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    I’m all in for throwing them into the fire.

    Maybe, just maybe, Solarte for Nunez was a step on the right direction for the Yankees. Older and safer isn’t always the right answer

  130. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Next————————————————

  131. raymagnetic March 31st, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Season hasn’t even started and Girardi has already Melancon/d Betances :x

  132. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Does not explain why Melancon also failed in Boston.

    The only commonality I saw was the ALE.

    Let’s wait to see if Dellin is up to challenge before we decide if he’s used properly.

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    I am still hopeful.

    Hughes and Joba weren’t veterans in 2009
    ///

    Nor was Robertson. That was the one year Girardi showed not only faith in young guys, but the intelligence that you go to live young arms over veteran schlock. Aceves was a new guy, too.

  134. mick March 31st, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    There is a pecking order and you don’t thrust the kid ahead of Kelley or Thornton asap.
    This is a team and there will be plenty of time and opportunity for him to prove himself.
    This is the same mistake made every time with “generational” prospects.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    It certainly was a factor in why he failed here.

    It is reasonable to expect that sitting a guy for 17 days is going to affect how he pitches, especially a rookie with no established reference point in the majors. It was very poor management.

  136. jmv March 31st, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    “J. Alfred Prufrock March 31st, 2014 at 9:59 pm
    jmv March 31st, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    I am still hopeful.

    Hughes and Joba weren’t veterans in 2009
    ///

    Nor was Robertson. That was the one year Girardi showed not only faith in young guys, but the intelligence that you go to live young arms over veteran schlock. Aceves was a new guy, too.”

    Chad, please send this to Joe. High priority. Open mind, Girardi!

  137. mick March 31st, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    melancon sucked

  138. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    JAP

    Betances had control issues last season and why when he was promoted he couldn’t stay up.

    If we’re going to have a discussion let’s be honest.

    I love the kid but he wasn’t ready last season.

    He has looked this spring for which all of us are hopeful.

  139. RhapsodyInBlue March 31st, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Let’s be fair here. There will be enough in the days ahead to rip Girardi without inventing circumstances before the season starts.

  140. mick March 31st, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Don’t worry baby…

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-0nWVdBH4&feature=kp

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