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Postgame notes: “I like how we’ve been playing”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 06, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

C.C Sabathia

Greetings from Pearson International Airport. With the Yankees playing a day game at home tomorrow, the press box emptied out pretty quickly after the game. Bang out a game story in about 15 minutes and then head to the airport to (at last) head back to New York. I actually think the Yankees are heading home with more reason for optimism than pessimism. The Teixeira injury is a real problem, and I’m not ready to declare Yangervis Solarte a reliable everyday player just yet, but the pitching has been awfully good and the team just won three of four.

“I thought we played well,” Derek Jeter said. “We pitched well. Even (Saturday), a game we lost, we pitched extremely well. I like how we’ve been playing. It’s always good to go home, especially with the home opener, after a win. Every time we go out, we try to play well and we try to improve.”

There’s a lot of cliche in that quote, but there’s also a lot of typical Jeter focus on the pitching staff. And the pitching staff looks pretty good. Six games isn’t much of a sample size, but right now David Phelps and CC Sabathia are the only Yankees pitchers who have ERAs higher than 3.18. Given all of the uncertainty about this staff — Sabathia’s transformation, unfamiliar starters at the back of the rotation, inexperience in the bullpen — the fact the pitching has been good early seems at least a little bit meaningful. Sets a solid tone, and creates some reason to believe this staff could be good enough.

Kind of like his season debut, Sabathia’s second start doesn’t have a particularly impressive final line — 6 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 6 K — but the vast majority of his innings were really good. He’s clearly susceptible to big innings, but he’s also able to get a bunch of outs with the stuff he has now. He had retired 17 of 18 before the Blue Jays put together a two-out rally in the sixth.

“CC got the ball up that inning at the end,” Joe Girardi said. “If he stays down, I think he might give us seven (innings). It just goes to show you that you could be rolling along, and if you make a few mistakes, you can get hurt pretty quickly in this league.”

It’s a finer line with Sabathia these days, but that’s nothing we didn’t already know. He’ll have to be more consistent from pitch to pitch if he’s going to turn a few good innings into a good start.

“It felt pretty good,” Sabathia said. “I’d take two pitches back in that sixth inning: the cutter (that Navarro hit for a double) and the ball (Kratz) hit down the line, but other than that, I felt I pitched pretty good.”

When Sabathia was finished, the pieced together bullpen did its job again, with Dave Robertson getting his third save in four days. After beginning the year with two embarrassing losses to the Astros, the Yankees are coming home with a .500 record.

“It’s better than going home 0-6,” Sabathia said. “We’ll take that off a road trip, the first one of the year. Now go home for a long home stand, and hopefully win that home stand.”

Jacoby Ellsbury ; Brett Gardner· The Yankees finally have a home run this season, and it was hit by — of all people — Brett Gardner, who homered in the fourth inning after walking and stealing a base to set the stage for a three-run first. “I don’t think anybody bet on that,” Gardner said. “Guys just give me a hard time, but I didn’t realize we hadn’t hit a home run yet, to be honest.”

· In the American League right now, only the Royals have a lower slugging percentage than the Yankees. Makes sense, then, that the Yankees have one of the lowest-scoring teams in the league as well. The middle of the order just hasn’t been very good, but I find it hard to believe that Brian McCann is going to slug .238 this year, or that Carlos Beltran is going to hit .158 or that Alfonso Soriano is never going to drive in a run. Only two guys are hitting well beyond their expected production: Ichiro Suzuki and Yangervis Solarte. The middle of the order will surely get better (if it doesn’t, well then I take back everything I wrote about having a sense of optimism).

· Speaking of which, Soriano snapped an 0-for-17 today. “It was good to see,” Girardi said. “You can talk about you’ve been through it before, but as a hitter you’re like, come on, let me get a hit. It’s good to get it out of the way.”

· It’s only two appearances, but Adam Warren may be emerging as the early favorite for the seventh-inning job. He pitched really well again today. “I talked about that I thought he threw the ball well out of the bullpen last year,” Girardi said. “His start in Panama was as good of stuff as I saw all spring. He’s got a number of pitches that he can go to. We like his stuff.”

· Jeter passed Paul Molitor on the all-time hits list today. “It’s special,” Jeter said. “I grew up watching Paul. I played against him briefly. I have a lot of respect for him and his career. Anytime you talk about eighth in anything, it’s special. It definitely means a lot. … I really haven’t (checked who’s next on the list). I’m aware of it when I get close to someone, but it’s not like I have some sort of a checklist at home that I’m going over. This year in particular, I’m just happy to be back out there playing. I’m sure someone here will remind me if I get close to somebody else. I try to enjoy it, especially when it’s someone like Paul, someone that you know and that you appreciate and respect. You try to enjoy it a little bit, but I don’t know who’s next.”

Derek Jeter· Told that the next player Jeter will pass is still 99 hits away, Jeter said: “So then leave me alone for a little while.” Yeah right.

· By the way, Molitor and Jeter really have pretty similar career slash lines, and Molitor was a first-ballot Hall of Famer on his bat alone. Jeter always gets credit for being a guy of intangibles, but even if you take out the fact that he’s won so many championships and played the infield’s most important position, he’s had a first-ball Hall of Fame career with his bat alone.

· Sabathia gave up that leadoff Melky Cabrera home run on a cutter. It was also a cutter that Jose Bautista hit for a single that started the two-out rally in the sixth, and a cutter that Dioner Navarro hit for a double. Sabathia said he still likes the pitch, though. No plans to get away from it.

· Jacoby Ellsbury went crashing into the warning track and eventually the wall trying to make a running catch today. “Got me out of my chair,” Girardi said. “I stood up and was like, ‘Come on. Get up. Get up. Get up.’ And I saw him get up and felt a lot better about it.”

· This was Sabathia’s 400th career start. He’s now 7-1 in career starts at Rogers Centre and 15-4 all-time against the Blue Jays. Last time he walked no one in a start was August 7 of last year.

· Final word goes to Sabathia: “This is the key to our team, pitching, and trying to give the bullpen as much rest as we can. So try to go deep into games and keep those guys fresh. We have a really good staff, and we just want to try to keep it up.”

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164 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I like how we’ve been playing””

  1. mick April 6th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    · In the American League right now, only the Royals have a lower slugging percentage than the Yankees. Makes sense, then, that the Yankees have one of the lowest-scoring teams in the league as well. The middle of the order just hasn’t been very good, but I find it hard to believe that Brian McCann is going to slug .238 this year, or that Carlos Beltran is going to hit .158 or that Alfonso Soriano is never going to drive in a run. Only two guys are hitting well beyond their expected production: Ichiro Suzuki and Yangervis Solarte. The middle of the order will surely get better (if it doesn’t, well then I take back everything I wrote about having a sense of optimism).
    ============================================
    Must be the pitching.

  2. mick April 6th, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    Tanaka’s Tweets are Priceless.

  3. pete2 April 6th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    re-post

    “trisha – true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

    Sux fans are already calling for the Sux to dump A.J. Pierzynski.

    Farrell said that the offense is having problem scoring runs and getting on the same page. I tried to call in and tell him he was wrong and that a poster or two here have already said that the Sux offense is great compared to the Yankees – but I couldn’t get through.
    ===========================

    Yes, you can’t possibly have a great offense and struggle to score runs for 3 games when you have 2 of your regulars out of the lineup and rested your best hitter. Meanwhile the Yankees have scored 3.2 RPG against 2 last place teams with only 1 HR but we all know that can’t possibly mean anything since it’s only 6 games. LOL

    Offensively Boegarts looks to be pretty good, although the Red Sox look weaker at C and CF. I predicted them to regress at many spots since they had a lot of guys who played above their projections last year.

    So I don’t expect the Red Sox to be as good as last year, but they are still a much more potent offense than the Yankees have faced thus far.

    Orioles are pretty good too offensively (not much pitching after Tillman), and they are up next, yet the injury to Machado weakens it a bit.

  4. mick April 6th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Yeah I guess Sammy David Jr. was in CF in today’s game, Nava was in right Goons was in LF.
    =======================
    Sammy would still be better than Larry.

  5. RhapsodyInBlue April 6th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Sox fans on one of the blogs I read this afternoon are referring A.J. to “Perstinkski”.

    They want Salty back.

  6. mick April 6th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    worst to first to worst would be a great motto.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    I have such a happy song for you! You might want to go here, in case you don’t know it, and then sing along with the lyrics below!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQrJUjyDSHI

    (sorry about the ad but you can switch to the song in a matter of seconds.)

    The song is called – SOLARTE!

    So-lar-te,
    oh oh
    He’ll start-te, oh oh oh oh
    he’ll hit them up to the clouds
    Away from the maddening crowds
    He can field in the glow of the infield I know of
    So starters enjoy peace of mind
    They can leave the confusion and all disillusion behind
    Just like fans of a feather, World Series together we’ll find

    So-lar-te,
    oh oh
    He’ll start-te, oh oh oh oh
    No wonder my Yankee heart sings
    His playing will bring us more rings

    Penso che un Nova cosi non ritorni mai piu
    Mi dipingevo le mani e la McCann di blu
    Poi d’improvviso venivo dal Beltran rapito
    E incominciavo a Solarte nel cielo infinito

    So-lar-te, oh oh
    He’ll start-te, oh oh oh oh
    Nel blu, Tanaka di blu
    Felice di Roberts lassu
    E Kuroda, Cervelli felice piu in alto del sole ed ancora piu su
    Jeter il mondo pian Ellsbury spariva lontano laggiu
    Una Ichiro dolce suonava soltanto per me

    So-lar-te,
    oh oh
    He’ll start-te, oh oh oh oh
    No wonder my Yankee heart sings
    His playing will bring us more rings

    Nel blu, DRob and Joe too
    Felice di Kelly lassu

    Felice the Yankees lassu

    :)

  8. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    Trisha – :)

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    chicken – :D

    Thanks!

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    pete2 – take a load off your mind and sing Solarte!

    :D

  11. j9d April 6th, 2014 at 7:55 pm

    Have kept out of the fray but have enjoyed reading great comments over this tumultuous first six games. I think we are at a very good 3-3 because pitching has been outstanding. This week will be quite a test. I like our chances but we shall see.

  12. Hankflorida April 6th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    This discussion of pitching vs hitting has to be brought up as it relates to the age of the computer and how baseball covers every hitter with data to the nth degree on where he hits the ball on what type of pitches. Joe Maddon enhanced this trend towards scientific baseball with his strategic positioning of his defense with every hitter. If Cashman with Michaels have decided to counter these moves with players who can adjust to these defenses and score runs by finding the holes, then we have a different equation in which to judge our team, and thus, the dismantling of the 2012 power team. My father was born in “The Dead Ball Era” and witnessed the coming of the Babe which changed the game. We may be in another reconfiguration with the ending of the “Steroid Era” and the chess game of computer baseball.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    “We may be in another reconfiguration with the ending of the “Steroid Era” and the chess game of computer baseball.”

    Excellent catch hank. I think you are exactly right.

  14. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Classic read:

    We Are Not Men: King of New Yawk: Mike Francesa and Loud Noises (Vice)

    (see above if this link doesn’t work)

  15. RhapsodyInBlue April 6th, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    mick

    here’s the addy:

    http://www.vice.com/read/king-.....oud-noises

  16. bbb51 April 6th, 2014 at 8:08 pm

    Tanaka
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Pineda
    CC

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    “Tanaka
    Kuroda
    Nova
    Pineda
    CC”

    Sokay.

    I have a feeling Pineda might be moving up on that list.

  18. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    thanks rib…it was a riot.

  19. RhapsodyInBlue April 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    Good one mick, thanks.

  20. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    We may be in another reconfiguration with the ending of the “Steroid Era” and the chess game of computer baseball.
    ================
    When did it end, I must have not gotten the memo.

  21. RhapsodyInBlue April 6th, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    I agree Trisha.

    Thursday Laptop v Michael P. I won’t be able to sleep.

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    “Thursday Laptop v Michael P. I won’t be able to sleep.”

    OMG that is going to be incredible!

  23. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    You know what, they are all juicing, and I am beginning not to care.

    HR’s are not flying out,
    And that’s what it was all about.

    If not for McGwire and Sosa,
    We would not know, sir.

    And then there was Bonds,
    Well, with him, we had our qualms.

    Then along came Alex,
    He got most of the malice.

    But the steroid era is over,
    I got a bridge I’d like to sell ya.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 6th, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    In fairness, Hank referred to the ending of the steroid era, he did not say it was over.

    But cool poem!

  25. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    pete2 – take a load off your mind and sing Solarte!
    ================================
    take a load off your feet Pete…

    http://vimeo.com/5988982

  26. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    For any Lohuders living in, or familiar with Chicago – I just found out Friday that I will be spending a lot of time this summer in Carol Stream Il (west of Chicago)… I’d like to catch as many Cubs/White Sox games as possible but would like to minimize driving. Is mass transit from Carol Stream to Wrigley or US Cellular a reasonable method of attending? Thanks in advance for any suggestions

  27. pete2 April 6th, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    This is the K era. While the increase in the number of shifts has increased dramatically, it has not had much impact on BABIP. Below is BABIP from the steroid era until now.

    2002-293
    2003-294
    2004-297
    2005-295
    2006-301
    2007-303
    2008-300
    2009-299
    2010-297
    2011-295
    2012-297
    2013-297

    No much if any impact.

    K’s are what are changing the game and is what is responsible for the drop in OBP and partly responsible for the drop in HR’s (since fewer balls hit fair the fewer the HRs there will be)

    From 2008-2013 K rates in the AL have increased from 17.1% to 20.0%, and increase of almost 20%. This is due to a wider strike zone that may also be inducing weaker contact and reducing HR’s as well (in addition to the reduction from fewer opportunities). Its especially devastating to LH hitters which already had a wider strike zone than RH hitters, which is why the large platoon advantage LH hitters enjoyed for many years relative to RH hitters has diminished

  28. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:47 pm

    chicken did you happen to see the sked?
    Yanks-Cubs at Wrigley 5/20-21 then Yanks-W. Sox 5/22-25.

    You just take the L from north(cubs) to south (sox)

  29. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Mick, As it stands now, I’m there both weeks… Hoping to hit the Wrigley night game (the day won’t work); would also like to hit the Friday and Saturday game against the Sox.

  30. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    I Can Hear Music

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqyx4TW4Ptw

  31. mick April 6th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

    In My Room

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQT-GjKlLw

  32. exiledintampa April 6th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    Saw the Beach Boys, Strawberry Alarm Clock, and Buffalo Springfield in late 1967. They toured together.

  33. mick April 6th, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Good Night.

    Hope you enjoyed…

  34. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Interesting Pete2 but I would consider the steoid era to include the 1990s. That was basically the peak. Probably pre-2004, isn’t that when the testing began?

    As far as defensive shifting goes, that’s been used for decades. It’s way way too early to measure the effects of the sophisticated defensive alignments that we see today. I’m not even sure it’s fully kicked in yet. The stuff that’s being done this year probably has never been done before and I’m still not sure it’s completely universal but it’s getting there. The Yankee announcers have commented on how this year it’s far more pronounced. And it appears that the Yes network has taken my suggestion and has started panning the infield prior to ABs for the players who it’s being used against.

    I’ve been keeping a very rough tab on it’s impact and it’s killing McCann. It’s taking three hits from his just the last two games. Sori has hit into the shift several times without any success. Tex’s only RBI hit would have been negated if the shift had been used.

    I can see McCann losing five hits a week or more to the shift. I do know what that will do to his average.

  35. MTU April 6th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    What a joy it is to have Tanaka and Pineda as your backend starters.

    Think about the advantage that confers.

    Night all.

    See ya’ on the sunny side.

    :)

  36. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    night Mike

  37. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Looking over some early farm notes:

    –Sanchez with a slam today. He’s never really put up big time offensive numbers. If he does this year in AA (no easy task) I think he could shoot to the top 20 or maybe even top 10. Can you spell trade bait? This past winter was the winter of the FA. Next winter will be the winter of the Big Trade.

    –Tough early start for Zoilo.

    –Jagielo already has 9 Ks in 15 ABs. He got his first hit today, a homer, but it’s the SOs you gotta worry about. I didn’t like his .260 odd average in the NY-Penn league last year. He had a nice OBP but I need to see hitters hit at least in the lower minors. I said earlier I thought FSL may have been too aggressive for him.

    –On the other hand Judge is starting out well in Sally League.

    –Today, O’Brien played RF for Tampa. I’m not a fan but I had a conversation with someone on this blog a month or so ago about moving him to the OF. The Yanks have catchers up and down the organization. The bat is going to drive this prospect. He doesn’t need to be concerned with learning the toughest position on the field. And the Yanks have a dearth of OF prospects in the lower minors. They need a “second wave” of OF prospects after the Williams/Heathcott crew.

    –That Charleston team looks super interesting. Andujar with 3 hits today.

  38. pete2 April 6th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    “bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Interesting Pete2 but I would consider the steoid era to include the 1990s. That was basically the peak. Probably pre-2004, isn’t that when the testing began?

    As far as defensive shifting goes, that’s been used for decades. It’s way way too early to measure the effects of the sophisticated defensive alignments that we see today. I’m not even sure it’s fully kicked in yet. The stuff that’s being done this year probably has never been done before and I’m still not sure it’s completely universal but it’s getting there. The Yankee announcers have commented on how this year it’s far more pronounced. And it appears that the Yes network has taken my suggestion and has started panning the infield prior to ABs for the players who it’s being used against.

    ——————————

    Testing began in 2004, but it really did not kick in with tough penalties till 2006. So I went back to 2002 for BABIP.

    As for the shift, its been used with increasing frequency the last couple of years, last year especially, and BABIP actually went up. The Yankees seem to be using it more this year though.

    Just saying while it may take away from those stubborn hitters, the smart ones don’t get hurt much ( they lose some and get it back the other way)

    For the most part the shifts take away singles and don’t impact XBH

    If McCann loses 5 hits a week that’s 130 hits. Je has not had more than 130 hits in a year since 2009, so I think that might be a bit of an overestimate. :)

  39. pete2 April 6th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    What are the chances of a rainout tomorrow. I would not mind backing Tanaka up to get the Red Sox

  40. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Some good points Pete2. You’re right, the new alignments are not going to affect XBH much at all. And it’s not going to affect all hitters. It may only affect a minority of hitters. But I believe it could be devastating for the hitters affected. And I think we are just starting to see that effect this year because I think the extreme shifting (especially with right-handers) is just starting now and gaining more widespread usage.

    It definitely can have a negative effect for the defense as well. It certainly messes with the double play. You saw that today in the Yankee game with Bautista batting. And the shift with right-handers is real interesting. The first baseman is actually playing second base. He’s the only guy on the right side. I’ve already seen several hitters hit the ball right to him and then there’s this crazy race to the first base bag. Look for that. It’s pretty funny.

  41. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    If McCann loses 5 hits a week that’s 130 hits. Je has not had more than 130 hits in a year since 2009, so I think that might be a bit of an overestimate. :)

    He’s lost three hits in just the last two games. It’s not hard to get to 5 hits a week from there. But the discrepancy maybe that he’s been losing hits to the shifts for years and that’s been pretty much baked into his career BABIP. So maybe this aggressive shifting will only say cost him one more hit a week. That’s actually a pretty big impact. I can honestly see Tex (left-handed) and McCann hitting between .210-.230 this year with this kind of shifting. Kay asked the question during today’s game whether McCann had seen anything like this in the National League. I be he hadn’t.

  42. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    More thoughts on McCann. Consider the possibility that he’s the new Tex. The similarities are interesting. McCann’s career arc might be reflecting a downward trend line, he’s entering the wrong side of 30, he may get killed by the shift and he’s got a long contract. Remember with Tex, he didn’t just fall off the cliff. His tenure with the Yanks has been a long, slow and steady decline.

    Something to think about.

  43. The Fifth Core Foursman April 6th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    “Greetings from Pearson International Airport…”

    I used to think about writing the American version of that song. Sort of a reply. The name my song you ask? L G A of course.

  44. blake April 6th, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Lets give McCann more than 6 games before saying he’s the new Tex

  45. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    blake April 6th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
    Lets give McCann more than 6 games before saying he’s the new Tex

    ——————-

    “Tex McCann” has a nice ring to it. :) Seriously, I think McCann will be fine… Its early, early, early.

  46. blake April 6th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    Hopefully McCann will have the same 1st season that Tex had in NY because that one was awesome

  47. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    I wonder what the percentage is of catchers who DO NOT decline significantly (offensively) after they turn 30. As I’ve said before, not every catcher is Posada.

    Perhaps Tex’s “new normal” is really the old normal.

  48. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    At the end of the season, I doubt Soriano will be batting .059, or Solarte will be recording a season for the ages, or that Gardner will lead the team in HRs…. projections, at this point, are fun but meaningless

  49. bbb51 April 6th, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    Remember that Beltran and McCann are NL guys, for the most part they haven’t seen these pitchers.

  50. blake April 6th, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Perhaps Tex’s “new normal” is really the old normal.”

    Intjink it’s some of that…..players used to decline often in their early 30s. Some did some didn’t…..but 50 years ago it wasn’t that unusual for a guy to decline rapidly after age say 32 or 33……the PED era kinda made up forget what normal aging is…….

  51. blake April 6th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    Of course 50 years ago players didn’t have access to the training and nutrition that they do now either…..e

  52. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    Growing up in the late 70′s and early 80′s, it seemed to me that 35 was the magic number. Anyone that lasted beyond that age was an exception to the rule… No data to back that up – just from my memory

  53. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 10:58 pm
    Growing up in the late 70?s and early 80?s, it seemed to me that 35 was the magic number. Anyone that lasted beyond that age was an exception to the rule… No data to back that up – just from my memory

    ——

    That’s kind of how I remember it as well. We must be about the same age.

    But how many offensive catchers were actually productive in their early 30s? I remember thinking at the time, what’s with this Fisk guy? He actually got better with age. My all time favorite player, Munson, was def losing it before he passed.

  54. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    Bigdan – I’ll be 46 in a couple of months… Thurman was my all time favorite player as well… if I remember correctly, he had started to play left field (at age 32) on occasion to give him a bit of rest… Fisk?? Lets not even bring up his name – I don’t even like thinking about that putz for a variety or reasons

  55. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    Scranton played a double header today. Corban Joseph played both ends at 1b which I think is a bit unusual. There’s a guy who needs Solarte’s cell phone number.

  56. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    I was just starting my first year of law school when Munson died. That’s a pretty dark time for anyone. The back page of the Daily News had a big pic of him swinging the bat with a huge headline “Munson Killed.” That page was taped above my desk in my bedroom and I looked at it while I was studying for three years. It got pretty yellow but I never touched it.

  57. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    bigdan – I was eating a post-school snack in the kitchen (decked out in Brady Bunch avocado green, no less) when the news of Thurman’s crash came on the tv in a special report… I was devastated… One of those moments that I will always remember

  58. chicken_stanley April 6th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    bigdan, and anyone else out there – gonna call it a night. Catch you all tomorrow.

  59. bigdan22 April 6th, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    All the best chicken.

  60. pete2 April 6th, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    Concerning players aging earlier in the pre-steroid era, I am not sure to what extent that’s really true, at least for position players. I think it is true players had shorter careers.

    Just a quick test (not conclusive of course), searching for players who played 600 games over a 5 years span and who were over age 32 (and over age 35 who played 200 games or more)

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    1988-1993-9 (24)
    1998-2003-18 (46)
    2008-2013-17 (41)

    Some of the higher numbers in the steroid era and this pseudo non-steroid era may be due to expansion as there are more teams with rosters to fill. As you mentioned, better training and nutrition may play a role. Surgical techniques also help prolong careers. Mantle could have played until he was 40 today due to this reason alone. Also, with higher salaries there is more of an incentive to stay in the game whereas before free agency non-elite players had pressure to find a real job and establish a career.

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  65. pete2 April 7th, 2014 at 1:50 am

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  66. JCPD April 7th, 2014 at 5:12 am

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  67. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 6:57 am

    Hank-

    I’m w you.

    IMO all this shifting will be a passing fancy as it should be relatively easy to defeat.

    All you really need is for your players to know how to bunt.

    And as you pointed out so aptly hitters who have an ounce of bat control should have little problem with it.

    Forcing your pitchers to constantly try to pitch to a defensive alignment is another idea
    that will go the way of the DoDo bird IMO.

    It restricts the pitcher too much.

    This isn’t football.

    It’s baseball.

    But of course everyone thinks that Maddon is a genius because he wears thick-rimmed glasses.

    He didn’t invent the forward pass as some would have you believe.

    :)

  68. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:09 am

    Now back to some real business.

    And something of genuine importance.

    I keep hearing a tempering of expectations w respect to our rotation.

    I think that is a mistake.

    Even if CC winds up at the tail end of it the others are so good that we will more than compensate.

    We literally have a staff full of 1′s and 2′s.

    How many Teams can say that ?

    It really would not shock me if we have close to a staff of 4/5 15 game winners.

    Just need to get the O going.

    Really got those rose-colored glasses working today.

    :)

  69. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:10 am

    OK.

    I’ve given you all enough food for thought.

    Now it’s time for someone else to chime in.

    The floor is yours.

    ;)

  70. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:19 am

    Morning MTU. Its going to be a knock around drag out season, and fans are going to have to find a way to have fun through it all :D

  71. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:24 am

    Mills-

    I try to make “fun” my middle name.

    ;)

  72. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:26 am

    MTU, you have to or else the up and down yo-yo drug of baseball can really get to one.

  73. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:31 am

    Millsy-

    It’s a Marathon not a sprint.

    People sometimes confuse the 2.

    ;)

  74. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:32 am

    I was broken into the pains of baseball with the Jays first competitive season in ’83. Watching Tippy Martinez pick 3 Jays off first in the tenth threw me into the water harshly.

  75. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:33 am

    I love good pitching.

    And great pitching is even more of a treat.

    We have a chance to be great.

    :)

  76. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:34 am

    I think not having a bullpen is one of the most excrutiating experiences. You feel like a prophet, everything slip sliding away…

  77. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:34 am

    Pineda as your #5 makes me want to do a backflip.

  78. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:37 am

    MTU, give the euphorbias a thrill.

  79. Poetkiosk April 7th, 2014 at 7:37 am

    Morning all

    I agree about our pitching. KInd of sad that our “ace” is really now a #4/5 guy. Still we could have worse problems and it’s not my money. (Though if I were Hal, I’d be furious that I am paying CC so much to be so mediocre).

    The other worry I have is Soriano. I think its a big mistake to be relying so much on him. He is all or nothing, and he will kill a ton of rallies.

  80. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:37 am

    Mills-

    Yes.

    Having your closer blow a hard fought game really hurts.

    But our guy is going to be fine.

    Not a Mo but very good.

    The Yankees have more relievers than hen’s have teeth.

    So no worries there.

    ;)

  81. upstate kate April 7th, 2014 at 7:38 am

    Happy Opening Day!!!!!

    While I wish they Yankees would have done better against the Astros, I am happy they returned w/ a 3-3 record. The hitting just needs to catch up w/ the pitching.

  82. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:38 am

    I really do enjoy the freedom of radio for baseball. Roaming the perimeters made easy.

  83. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:40 am

    Poet-

    As you say, “It’s not our money.”

    Even IF CC can’t keep it together the rest of staff can more than compensate.

    Perhaps he’ll settle into the middle or surprise us somehow ?

  84. jmills April 7th, 2014 at 7:41 am

    Happy opening day guys, I will be tracking you from the car. See you later.

  85. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:42 am

    Good morning Kate.

    Hope our 1st home stand series turns out better than the Sux’s did.

  86. Poetkiosk April 7th, 2014 at 7:44 am

    MTU

    It would be great if he surprised us, ala Mussina or Pettite. Just not sure he has that kind of DNA. He is a power guy. And all along every has said how throwing all those games must wear him down. And it did.

  87. MTU April 7th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    CC’s cutter will have to be as good as Pettitte or Lester’s are.

    He’s getting hurt w it right now.

    He sometimes doesn’t get it in enough.

    His CU has been a little spotty too.

    Needs on work on commanding those.

    They are critical to his success now.

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