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Nova off to shaky start

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 08, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan NovaSo what’s up with Ivan Nova?

He allowed seven earned runs and 10 hits over 3 2/3 innings in losing to the Orioles after walking five in 5 2/3 in his first start in Houston. Nova only gave up two runs in that game and was the winner, but in this game, he couldn’t minimize the damage and the Yankees ended up losing 14-5.

“I don’t feel good when you pitch that way with the good spring training that I had,” Nova said.  “It’s only the second time. I have plenty of time to fix it and get back to where I want to be.”

He had a problem with his curve, and his sinker was up. Nova said he needs to get his pitches down.

“I wouldn’t make too much out of two starts,” Joe Girardi said. “I know it’s glaring in the beginning. I know he’s more than capable of turning this around and being a big-time pitcher for us.”

There was a chance for Nova to get out of the first with no runs scored instead of three. But Derek Jeter couldn’t reach Delmon Young’s bouncing single for a double-play try.

“I know he tried the best to get the double play,” Nova said. “That’s the game.”

Despite struggling, Nova didn’t walk anyone. So Yankees starting pitchers haven’t walked a batter now in five straight games.

Francisco Cervelli got his first shot at first base. He admitted he missed one foul ball that he probably should have caught. But Girardi said he was OK with his work over there.

“He passed for me,” Girardi said.

So Cervelli could be another option vs. lefties with Mark Teixeira out.

Yangervis Solarte doubled twice, making the rookie third baseman the first player since 1900 with at least six doubles in the first seven games of his career.

Jacoby Ellsbury went 3 for 4 and is 12 for his last 22 after starting 0 for 7.

Alfonso Soriano hit homer No. 1 on the season and No. 407 for his career, tying Duke Snider for 50th on the all-time list.

I’ll have more on Masahiro Tanaka’s Wednesday night Bronx debut in the morning.

Photo by The Associated Press.

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196 Responses to “Nova off to shaky start”

  1. austinmac April 8th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Thanks, Brian. Good information.

  2. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    Damn, late again, I was on the other thread with a lengthy baseball card post. I can’t duplicate the feeling.

  3. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Melky just homered for the 4th straight game! Move over, Jose.

  4. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:25 pm

    greetings jmills!

  5. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Unless I’m overlooking somebody, Melky was the last Yankee to hit for the cycle

  6. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    Hey, chicken, just finished writing on the other thread about finding a card set on top of the microwave. Forgetting things sure can be a happy archaeological go of it sometimes :D

  7. MTU April 8th, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    You two guys are going to have to hold down the fort until the morning.

  8. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Man, another one of these stupid challenges at home. ……out! Thank, god.

  9. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Mike – The place does seem to have emptied out. I tend to have that effect on people :)

  10. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    Nite, MTU, I won’t be long for the road, I’ll see you over porridge.

  11. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    chicken, never, you can always crash here!

  12. MTU April 8th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    Glenn-

    Games like today’s have that effect.

    See you on the sunny side.

    Have a good one.

  13. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    jmills – I’ll touch base with you offline in a few days… by then I should a clearer feel for what our devious plans should be :D

  14. pete2 April 8th, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Unless I’m overlooking somebody, Melky was the last Yankee to hit for the cycle
    ===============

    Kelly Johnson did it in 2010, the year after Melky, but he was not a Yankee then

    Its amazing how few Yankees have hit for the cycle. Only 3 since Mantle did it in 1957

  15. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Nite Mike. Tomorrow is a new day… for us and for the Yankees.

  16. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    Hey guys

    Well that game sucked. I wonder if the Cervelli experiment is over?

  17. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    chicken, no problem, the Prelude off the cliff sounds exciting.

  18. longtimefan April 8th, 2014 at 9:43 pm

    Nova needs to start taking accountability for his crappy pitching, even CC admits when he stinks, this guy has a lot of talent but needs to get his head on straight.

  19. bbb51 April 8th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    bigdan is right about one thing, Jeter is the biggest problem defensively. If you want to post that defense is more than a minor problem, you should realize that starts with Jeter, who won’t be replaced, so it’s pointless to keep posting about it.

  20. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    Good news is the sux went down and that Doubrant had another lemon.

    Doubrant v Nova will be another another good match up.

  21. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    Kelly Gruber was a cycle man back before he was the fallen son with Gaston. There was Kelly running after Cito with a fresh set of x-rays. But in ’90, Gruber was da’ man! To be fair, I think the guy had definite neck problems. Nice he got a ring and a huge bomb vs the Braves.

  22. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    jmills – the prelude off the cliff may be just a bit TOO exciting :)

  23. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Pete2 – cool trivia – I didn’t realize only 3 since Mantle… which leads me to other questions – has any yankee ever hit 4 homers in a game? I’m off to the interweb to find out!

  24. blake April 8th, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    P
    If they were going to address Jeters defense then they had to do it in the winter and discuss moving to 3B with him…..they didn’t so that deal is what it is. What they could have done however is to surround him with good defenders….especially a good defender at 3B to help out on that side.

    Instead they players on Kelly Johnson playing 3B

  25. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    and the answer is Yes – Lou Gehrig in 1932… did not know that

  26. bruceb April 8th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Embarrassing loss today. Don’t like the quote from Nova “I have plenty of time to fix it.” It didn’t look broke to me in spring training. How much is it mechanics and how much is it not having the mental toughness to put one bad inning behind you? He’s not a kid a anymore. Concerning.

  27. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Chicken

    The Iron horse hit 4 in a game

  28. exiledintampa April 8th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Mills – I saw Gruber hit 3 homeruns in an Eastern league game in Buffalo in 1983. He played for the Bisons.

  29. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Only one game.

  30. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    blake

    I thought this morning you were arguing that you were ok with Cashman’s roster construction? That Cervelli playing 1b in week one was no big deal? That not having a corner infielder was ok?

    Or were you just saying that is was all Hal’s fault?

  31. bbb51 April 8th, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    3B isn’t the problem, especially today.

    Kuroda, Tanaka and Pineda have pitched fine. This one is on Nova. There shouldn’t even be a mention of defense when 14 runs are given up.

  32. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    I was in the attic when Delgado hit 4 out. Good Times.

  33. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    They’ll turn it around tomorrow behind Masahiro.

  34. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    jmills – the only 3 hr game I ever saw in person was Randy Milligan against the Yankees in probably the early 90′s

  35. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    I was a sperm when Gehrig hit 4 out.

  36. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    I think I stole Gruber from Cleveland. I definitely stole George Bell from hated Philly.

  37. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    ’3B isn’t the problem, especially today.”

    The Yankees are extremely lucky that 3rd base is has not been a problem. Solarte has been unbelievable. I think we all have to keep our fingers crossed and hope he can sustain it.

  38. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    Randy Milligan,…..holy geez!

  39. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    I was a sperm when Gehrig hit 4 out.

    ———————

    I literally laughed out loud when I read that

  40. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    How to fish with a hand grenade:

    1. Pull the pin.

    2. Throw it far from the boat.

    3. Net the stunned and dead fish.

    Remember step 2!

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  41. blake April 8th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    “I thought this morning you were arguing that you were ok with Cashman’s roster construction? That Cervelli playing 1b in week one was no big deal? That not having a corner infielder was ok?”

    I asked what else Cashman could have done? If Hal won’t let him spend any more money then what could he do. There are issues on this roster…..I’m just not sure they were fixable without actually signing the guys to help.

  42. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    I’m glad that Santos trade fell through, hurry back, Casey.

  43. exiledintampa April 8th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    Looks like UCONN’s about to pull off the college basketball double double.

  44. Hankflorida April 8th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    I remember Lou Gehrig hitting four homers in one game. Speaking of the long ball, I would like to see more of it as it takes so many hits to score runs if Ellsbury or Brett are not on base. When Text gets back, he could join McCaan, Soriano, Beltran and hopefully Johnson to pass the twenty home run mark for the season. This team needs a power base playing in the Stadium when the weather gets warmer.

  45. Jerkface April 8th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    There shouldn’t even be a mention of defense when 14 runs are given up.

    The problem with this train of thought is that the defense is the one who put this team in a hole early. With better defense maybe Nova grits through 5 and you don’t have Nuno pitching a bunch of garbage innings.

    When a pitcher is on the ropes or doesn’t have his stuff, you can’t miss out on a dead easy double play ball, or Cervelli missing that easy foul out at 1st, or Solarte missing a ball that was hit hard but right at him.

    So yea Nova was a problem this game but with adequate defense it could have been salvaged, instead the defense made this game unwinnable.

  46. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    “Kuroda, Tanaka and Pineda have pitched fine. This one is on Nova. There shouldn’t even be a mention of defense when 14 runs are given up.”

    I don’t think we can know for sure……lets say Jeter makes that play in the 1st…..Nova has an easy 1st inning and gives up no runs then the yanks come in a score a run and take a lead into the 2nd…..how do we know nova doesn’t get into a groove then and pitch better……there is no way to know how the dominoes may have fallen. This is why giving teams extra outs really hurts……one little play can change a whole game

  47. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    RIB – you’re on a roll… either that or the sperm comment is making me laugh at everything :)

  48. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    RIB, you’d have to take Glenn Gould’s boat out in the process! :D ( I don’t think the global community at large would be happy with you taking out the greatest classical pianist of the 20th century – Glenn helps jump start many of my days )

  49. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    “So yea Nova was a problem this game but with adequate defense it could have been salvaged, instead the defense made this game unwinnable.”

    I think this is the most important point…..

  50. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    “I asked what else Cashman could have done? If Hal won’t let him spend any more money then what could he do. There are issues on this roster…..I’m just not sure they were fixable without actually signing the guys to help.”

    Well how about a little planning. Cashman knew Tex was coming back from major surgery. He was pretty sure that Alex was going to be suspended for a long time. So what corner infielders did he get through trade or signings?

    Johnson, Anna, Solarte, Nunez and Ryan are what he threw at the problem. Solarte is literally saving Cash’s butt right now.

    As for taking responsibility….. if Cashman takes no blame for bad roster construction…. than he shouldn’t get the credit when the team does well either. It works both ways. I prefer to give him the credit and blame for how how the team is constructed…not Hal.

  51. Jerkface April 8th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    All the extra outs Nova was forced to try and get meant more batters faced, and the last thing you want a guy with rough stuff/command to do is face extra batters.

  52. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    “So yea Nova was a problem this game but with adequate defense it could have been salvaged, instead the defense made this game unwinnable.”

    —————–

    just playing devil’s advocate but the game could have been salvaged even with Nova’s pitching and the D played behind him… IIRC, the Yankees were down 7-4 with runners in scoring position but didn’t produce. After that, the train de-railed. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that there is enough blame to go around that most everyone can share a portion

  53. SweetSpot April 8th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    Nova was terrible. His “good stuff” doesn’t matter much if he can’t execute and find a way to be consistent. Hughes was good occasionally and so was Joba. It’s way past the time to figure it out, it’s perform or lose your spot.

  54. mick April 8th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Are you guys seriously blaming this loss on the defense?
    If so, blame the other 3 as well on it.
    Cervelli sparked this whole idea of being a poor defensive team.
    When we won 4 of 5 was the defense any better?
    Nova didn’t have it and we didn’t hit and the defense lost this game?
    Preposterous…

  55. jmills April 8th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Nite, folks, I can’t be grumpy for MTU and blake in the morning. Ciao.

  56. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    “Well how about a little planning. Cashman knew Tex was coming back from major surgery. He was pretty sure that Alex was going to be suspended for a long time. So what corner infielders did he get through trade or signings?”

    They offered Peralta a contract to play 3B….he or a huge deal to play SS from the Cards…..they offered Drew a contract but he passed and then Hal cut Cash off after he signed other players……that’s really all that was available in free agency that’s any good…….and regarding trades……I’m sure he’s tried but the yanks don’t have a ton of chips.

    It’s easy to say…..they should have done this or that…..but when you ask specifics about what they actually could have done it gets a little more complex

  57. j9d April 8th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    With all respect, I can’t believe the craziness of these posts all day. We have played 8 games, right? For the sophistication the posters here claim, are we really having this discussion right now?

  58. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    The kid is entitled to a crappy game. Hopefully he rebounds against Boston.

  59. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    nite jmills

  60. SweetSpot April 8th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    Agree totally Mick good post.

  61. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    “Are you guys seriously blaming this loss on the defense?”

    Partly sure…..that and bad pitching

  62. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Night Mills

  63. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Hi j9d. Just to clear things up, I never claimed sophistication :)

  64. austinmac April 8th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    I agree on the defense. Plus, over the course of a season more pitches for the pitchers. More fatigue. More bullpen.

  65. mick April 8th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    As far as past posters being superior to what’s here now, well nobody forced them out.
    In fact, there are more writers here now who don’t have the ego of some who left and feel freer to post now because of this current lack of hubris.

  66. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Bad Nova + Bad defense = bad night……that’s the simple formula. Nova didn’t pick up the bad defense and the defense didnt pick up bad nova.

  67. j9d April 8th, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Chicken. — i was not talking about you. You are always humble and a bright spot. Plus, you have great insights.

  68. mick April 8th, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    It’s easy to say…..they should have done this or that…..but when you ask specifics about what they actually could have done it gets a little more complex
    ====================
    No. You wave a magic wand and all of the missing pieces will appear.
    It might take a few years for the puzzle pieces to be found.

  69. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    mick spends more time commenting on other posters being negative (which is in itself negative) than he does on baseball. How about another poem?

  70. j9d April 8th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Mick

    I was not talking about past posters. Current ones are as good or better in my opinion. Made mistake of reading through game post. Still though, the regular great posters should stop with the panic moves. Can we wait until 25 games I please to see how this is shaking out?

  71. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    “It’s easy to say…..they should have done this or that…..but when you ask specifics about what they actually could have done it gets a little more complex”

    He’s the GM of the NY Yankees. He has a budget of 200 million and he currently doesn’t have a 1B or true 3rd baseman on his roster. I never said anything about “it” being easy….. but give me a break on how tough Cashman has it.

  72. mick April 8th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    mick spends more time commenting on other posters being negative (which is in itself negative) than he does on baseball. How about another poem?
    =================
    Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed it.

  73. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Tar – I would happily submit a poem… unfortunately, the only ones I know begin with “roses are red” or “there once was a man from Nantucket” :D

  74. mick April 8th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Actually , by that comment I can see you haven’t been reading but cherry picking.

  75. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    “Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed it.”

    Oh I laughed at you alright. I’m smiling right now just thinking about it. So yeah I enjoyed it.

  76. mick April 8th, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    I’m sure you read everything I write. Try the ignore button. But I seem to entertain you so enjoy.

  77. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    “Actually , by that comment I can see you haven’t been reading but cherry picking.”

    No I read the game thread too. I kind of liked the trade Nova/ Nuno, trade Nova/ Nuno , Trade Nova/Nuno…. oh wait never mind disregard.

    haha that was funny too.

  78. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    J9d – thanks for the compliments but I rarely have any insights… I just like to interact with posters and enjoy myself. Although I have lost my temper on here a time or two, I’d rather just root for the Yankees :)

  79. j9d April 8th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Oh geez. Stepped in the middle of a dispute unknowingly … again!! Stand by my statement at 10:10 but not a timely topic I see. Good night all.

  80. j9d April 8th, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Chicken — you are a breath. Of fresh air and a good role model on posting. Signing off. Good night all.

  81. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    “Chicken — you are a breath. Of fresh air and a good role model on posting.”

    I agree Chicken you are keeper.

    GN j9d

  82. j9d April 8th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    G’night, Tar.

  83. bbb51 April 8th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    One ground ball missed does not have a value of 3 runs, jf you know this.

    How did the other guys get on? Nova.

  84. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Tar – believe it or not, I saw an article today ranking the top 15 college basketball teams for next season! LOL! Duke came in at #2, UNC at #6, and UVA at #11.

  85. chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    gonna hit the sack… j9d/Tar/squat/mac/mick/blake/RIB/sweetspot – anyone else out there, catch you tomorrow

  86. Jerkface April 8th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    One ground ball missed does not have a value of 3 runs, jf you know this.

    It was a dead easy double play ball and the next batter hit a fly out. Maybe Chris Davis doesn’t fly out with 2 out, no one on, but I’d take 2 out no one on over 1 out run already in any day.

    I am not talking about linear value here, I am talking about the actual game that happened today. Solarte, Cervelli, Roberts, and Jeter all messed up plays that could have been outs before Nova was taken out of the game.

  87. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Chicken that seems extremely generous for UNC. They do have a good class coming in but….. Also McAdoo decided to turn pro, which seems like a huge mistake on his part.

  88. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    bbb51 says:
    April 8, 2014 at 10:39 pm
    One ground ball missed does not have a value of 3 runs, jf you know this.

    How did the other guys get on? Nova.”

    In this case it did…..they turn that double play then Jones never bats that inning most likely.

    That one play was a swing from bases smoky and 2 outs to 1st and 3rd with no outs……that’s a big swing…..

  89. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Bad defensive teams can still win a lot of games.

    They just have to be real good offensively and pitching.

    The Yankees have the pitching. Are they good enough offensively to make up for the lack of defense? I think the jury is still out… but there are some warning signs on the horizon for me.

  90. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    Bases empty and 2 outs

  91. austinmac April 8th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    Blake,

    I liked bases smoky better. I thought it was a deep thought.

  92. BoJo April 8th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    chicken_stanley April 8th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
    and the answer is Yes – Lou Gehrig in 1932… did not know that

    When Lou Gehrig hit 4 homers, he was playing in Philadelphia. During the ninth inning, Lou Gehrig hit a rocket that flew to deep center field and almost became the fifth long ball of the day, however, the fifth home run was missed by inches as Gehrig hit his hardest shot of the day – caught in the furthest part of the park in deep centerfield when Al Simmons made a one-handed snatch of the “Iron Horse’s” shot.

    The CF fence? 515 ft away.

  93. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    austinmac says:
    April 8, 2014 at 10:57 pm
    Blake,

    I liked bases smoky better. I thought it was a deep thought.

    Haha….autocorrect knows me too well

  94. blake April 8th, 2014 at 10:59 pm

    Anyway….back on the horde tomorrow. 2 of 3 would be a fine result against the Os . Night all

  95. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 10:59 pm

    “I liked bases smoky better. I thought it was a deep thought.”

    Haha me too. Blake’s auto correct strikes again.

  96. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    Mac

    Did he do it again? :D

  97. blake April 8th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    Horde….or horse whatever. I need sleep apparently…..gnight

  98. RhapsodyInBlue April 8th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    TAR

    Good riddance to MacAdoo he has stone hands and isn’t quick underneath, no loss.

    As a Tarheel fan glad to see him gone.

  99. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    RIB

    His loss. Really having a hard time comprehending why he thinks he is ready for the NBA.

  100. Tar April 8th, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    Adam Jones on the fans who ran on the field.

    “”I let them know how I felt, obviously a lot of choice words because I think it’s idiotic for people to run on the field and I think the punishment needs to be a lot harsher,” Jones said. “And they should let us have a shot to kick them with our metal spikes on because it’s stupid.”

    “I remember a couple of years ago, one dude broke his ankle in Baltimore,” Jones said. “I was laughing at him. I wish he shattered his femur because it’s stupid. It’s just plain old stupid. Anybody who does it, I wish the cops tase the living [crap] out of them. I wish that.”

    Wow…kind of harsh no?

  101. bigdan22 April 8th, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    Since people seemed to be once again fixated on the Yankee infield defense this needs to be re-stated:

    If you look at the Yanks infield defense in this game as a microcosm for the season, which it might be, then you would fairly conclude that the only real problem (outside of Cervellli who just doesn’t belong in the infield) is Jeter. And I’m not really sure what the team can do about that. Solarte doesn’t appear to be an asset defensively but doesn’t appear to be a butcher either. Since not many balls get hit that way and rockets down the line are going to be hits most of the time anyway, third base is really not a problem. Roberts seems fine at second. His range seems ok if not better and we can watch in the future if his arm becomes a liability on double plays but I don’t see that yet.

    Jeter looked old and slow today and probably missed at least a couple plays that would have helped Nova some. Nova probably would have faced an early exit anyway even if Ozzie was playing short they way he was being hit but there’s no question Jeter is a significant liability in the infield. But is he any worse now than he was five years ago? Who knows but once again, the question is moot. The Yanks are stuck with Jeter pure and simple this year and complaining about won’t solve the problem. The Yanks have to concentrate on improving areas that they can possibly improve. And I’ve always felt if the pitching is strong enough Jeter won’t hurt them. Because that’s been the case for the last 15 years or so.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 8th, 2014 at 11:20 pm

    A pity pete2 wasn’t here several years ago when GB was still around and so were some other upbeat solid citizens who seemed to be able to bring some kind of sanity to game threads. He’d then see this isn’t about getting anything up to someone’s particular “acceptability standards” but rather getting back to the standards that were here previous.

    But relative newbies can’t be expected to know anything other than what they have seen here, so he gets a necessary bye.

    Not everyone might agree but I think the forum suffers from people like Pat M, Mel, DB, Straw, and even Doreen not frequenting the game threads. I know tom does his best to deal with it (Sweet Spot is a hero!), but even he seems to eventually throw in the towel.

    Obviously it’s working for those is works for, e.g., it is what it is. Regrettably (IMO anyway).

    I will remain the keeper of the Prediction Chart for as long as posters want to have a prediction chart, but there isn’t a heck of a lot of charm left for me here. Don’t get me wrong. I absolutely adore and enjoy so many of the individual posters here. But not everyone congregates to the game thread, and that’s the place I used to find so much enjoyment. After all, games are the heart of what this is all about, right?

    Anyway, since we all have a right to voice opinions, I have just voiced mine. I’m not looking for nor expecting change. It is what it is.

    Night all.

  103. pete2 April 8th, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    ” Tar April 8th, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    “Wow…kind of harsh no?”
    ==================

    Yeah, a bit of an over reaction. I could see if he was a pitcher who gets out of his rhythm or if the fans went after a player.

    They were showing Aarons 715 HR and as he went around the bases a couple of fans were following right behind him. Players did not make such a big deal about it then.

    I think players making millions are now part of the elite class and look down on most fans. Back in the day, players did not make all that much more than many fans and many had to work 2nd jobs. They were more connected with the average fan I thought.

    But any dope who runs on the field has to know they are gong to get tackled by a 300 lb weight lifting ex football player, and those cuffs are going to be as tight as possible, which is pretty uncomfortable, not to mention the experience of being in a cell with a few undesirables while waiting to post bail, not to mention the fine. Not sure what they get out of it since they don’t get any camera time.

  104. exiledintampa April 9th, 2014 at 1:14 am

    Moore on the DL is a blow to the Rays rotation. Good thing for them they kept Price. This is Moore’s 2nd time on the DL for elbow problems. Can TJS be far behind.

  105. yankinvegas April 9th, 2014 at 1:25 am

    Bottom line, Jeter’ D is the elephant in the room. No person connected with the team will say anything about it. Ever.
    That is why we will be better off when he retires. That ball HAS to be a DP. But it is what it is. Nova will be fine. It’s a good thing the writers don’t run the team or the season would be over already.
    Question of the night : why was Joba a fat pig with us and he is slim and trim with Detroit?

  106. kcobra7 April 9th, 2014 at 2:05 am

    As a newbie may I point out, 3rd base is a “You got it or, you don’t got it” spot! One has an eye blink to make a play, or not.
    Solarte hasn’t made many bad plays, if one compares him to Nunez and Johnson. So far his bat is way better than either one of those for mentioned players. Key words are…So Far!
    The thing with Jeter is something that could be fixed easily. Play him against lefties and Anna against righties.
    Besides, Jeter is hitting into more DP already this year, “The first thing to go are your legs”…when the legs are gone, everything follows.
    I am still hoping he does a good job this year, because I don’t want him to go out as a part-time player, as did Posada.
    Just my opinion.

  107. pete2 April 9th, 2014 at 4:08 am

    Joba may have had a wake up call when the Yankees had no interest in him.

    Cobra, Jeter has hit into only 1 DP this year. Hit into a few in ST though. He hit the ball pretty well today I thought.

    Be interesting to see if Jeter plays tomorrow, or is rested with Tanaka on the mound, or if he gets a rest.

    Agree on Solarte, and in any case he is not any worse defensively than Johnson at 3B.

  108. Poetkiosk April 9th, 2014 at 5:27 am

    Remember when they sent Nova down and he came back way better? Wonder how long of leash he has this time? He certainly was poised to be a big part of the rotation.

  109. Poetkiosk April 9th, 2014 at 5:42 am

    Also, this was perfectly said by Pete2 -

    —————
    (repost)

    In my experience elsewhere, game threads tend to be excessively negative when bad things happen, and irrationally positive when good things happen. Some people are more likely to discuss negatives (such as most of the news in everyday life generates discussion around the water cooler), and some are more prone to cheerleading and post more when things go right. With the 12 hr difference I can only go by the undeleted comments but don’t see much undo negativity except for that which is warranted in a 14-5 loss.

    The negativity police War on Negativity, in an effort to get the thread up to their acceptability standards is entertaining at least.

    Someday I imagine Lohud will upgrade to include the ignore function and they can read only like-minded commenter’s. Pretty boring IMO and I suspect it will be to them too, but to each his own.

  110. joeman April 9th, 2014 at 6:10 am

    nice job UCONN women way to follow it up

  111. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:13 am

    Terrible news about Moore.

    Tear of the UCL.

    Going to see Andrews.

    Even w/o surgery (doubtful) he will out for a while.

    My bet is he gets the surgery.

    WoW.

    That really weakens their rotation.

    There has been an epidemic of TJ problems this year.

  112. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:14 am

    Poet-

    I am not sure that Ivan has any more options.

  113. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:21 am

    The risks w our IF were well known before the season started.

  114. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:22 am

    When you roll dice you sometimes “crap out”.

  115. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:23 am

    Another lesson for ya’ here Hal.

    All part of your schooling I guess.

    ;)

  116. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:26 am

    Story goes that Yankees also almost lost out on Solarte by backing off for a while.

    As someone pointed out, he saves Cashman’s bacon right now.

    There is no way they could have known he would be this good.

    But we’ll take some good luck for a change.

    ;)

  117. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:27 am

    Yankees do not like “High maintenance” players.

    ;)

  118. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:28 am

    OK.

    Someone else please chime in.

    :)

  119. joeman April 9th, 2014 at 6:32 am

    yes they had and have themselves with a problem of team D (IF )..but this wasn’t something that just happened. They spent their money in the OF and a SPer didn’t really touch the RPing and IF. If more than a few people on this blog can see this why couldn’t they ( FO)..they set this team up to fail….Tex will be a problem all year, Roberts is what he is now not what he use to be, kid at 3rd who who knows, playing well now but …. they have KJ who was a nice sign and can play all over the field but shouldn’t be a true starter just a fill-in to rest players and jeter who is at this point old and slow. The FO never finished the job to make this team a contender…IF they thought they were going to sign Gardner just maybe they should have went in another direction and not signed Beltran

  120. joeman April 9th, 2014 at 6:33 am

    Mike ..we said this infield was going to be a problem

  121. joeman April 9th, 2014 at 6:35 am

    still say they should bring in Drew and at least talk to Morales

  122. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:39 am

    Joeman-

    It took Murphy’s law.

    But you know how that is.

    ;)

  123. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 6:42 am

    I think Cashman was well aware of these potential problems but Hal tied his hands.

  124. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 6:58 am

    You guys beat me up, I’m tellin’!

  125. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 7:05 am

    Tanaka time.

    Let’s take this series.

    :)

  126. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:11 am

    I’ve always been of the mindset that if you’re going to lose by 1, lose by 100 – doesn’t feel as bad, and the day/evening can be salvaged for other things.

  127. tomingeorgia April 9th, 2014 at 7:13 am

    Mister MTU,
    2 out of three the rest of the way should do it.

  128. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 7:17 am

    Mister Tom-

    My win projection was predicated on the Yankees playing around .600 ball.

    I have to admit that I am disappointed that Nova is struggling already.

    I was counting on him.

    Hopefully he’ll get it together soon.

    Absolutely no feel for the curve yet.

    And that is his best weapon.

  129. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:19 am

    On the disconnect between the modern player and fan, I do think the players lose perspective. A few years ago Tie Domi of the Leafs went on a monosyllabic rant about Toronto fans booing the team. Well, Tie, your team never wins, you get paid millions for 5 minutes of running around, and that person who just shelled out hundreds to take their kid to a once in a lifetime stinker can protest all they want, including throwing that $300 corporate jersey on the ice. It ain’t the flag.

  130. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:26 am

    …Mind you, I’d lose perspective too. A different Ferrari for every day of the week :D ( I’d be paying for track lessons as well, who cares if you void your insurance? ! )

  131. Poetkiosk April 9th, 2014 at 7:31 am

    jmills – good post. I will care about a players feelings when they care about mine.

  132. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:33 am

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c.....ndel=watch

    Tie Domi making a million dollar disgrace of himself.

  133. Poetkiosk April 9th, 2014 at 7:39 am

    And I would include in that the right to boo whoever you want – including Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera – they are big boys and got paid millions and millions of dollars to play a kids game. Part of being paid that much money as a public figure is being able to take and hear fan’s displeasure. Booing doesn’t mean you hate the player or don’t appreciate all they have done, but in the moment, you are not happy with what you see. If you are paying those kind of ticket prices, in particular, you should be able to do whatever you want. I always find it odd people have these weird attachments to celebrities as if the celebrity/sport star cares what you think.

  134. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:41 am

    Its funny how celebrities have groups that give them awards. How about a show for year’s best physicist :D

  135. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 7:42 am

    Watch Jose Abreu hitting two homeruns last night (one pulled, one to right), not too many right hander can do what he did in hooking the ball just fair on a pitch that was buried on his hand and driving a high fb easily to right center field for a dinger.

    He probably was best FA hitter in retrospect. Good scouting and signing by the White Sox

  136. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 7:47 am

    Millsy-

    I believe that is called the “Nobel” awards.

    ;)

  137. pat April 9th, 2014 at 7:47 am

    MLB Network should do a show in the offseason where players show up at fans jobs and heckle them for a day.

  138. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Cash-

    I don’t think hitting was the question w Abreu.

    IMO the reason the Sox went hard after him is they needed a new Konerko.

  139. Poetkiosk April 9th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Pat that’s fine as long as the fan then gets paid as much as the MLB star – cause with millions and being a public figure comes the horrors of being booed.

  140. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Pat-

    You’d have to boost the fans salary 1st to a minimum of 400k.

    :)

  141. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Mike, every team can use a new Konerko. at the end of day, if you can hit and hit for power, you will get paid.

  142. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:53 am

    MTU, granted, but it ain’t in the limelight on Sunday evening :D

  143. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2014 at 7:56 am

    Good morning

    Attached is a short article on the projections for Jose Abreu

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports.....-good.html

  144. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 7:57 am

    Cash-

    Cuba seems to be providing a steady stream of really good players.

    Yankees seem to be Pitching obsessed right now.

  145. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 7:58 am

    Gwenyth Paltrow was being,…..Gwenyth Paltrow explaining how her job was harder than an office worker with regimentation due to the unpredictable lengths of her days under variable circumstances. I don’t think I need to say anymore, just give me that one gig with countless takes if I mess up. Now, Christopher Plumber and live Shakespeare, that’s kinda’ tough.

  146. Tar April 9th, 2014 at 7:59 am

    For me booing or not booing especially ones own team….. is a matter of respect. The vast majority of players have my respect. How good they are doesn’t figure into the respect part for me.

    Thinking of the Jeter non play…he just missed that ball. It wasn’t a matter of steps, it was an inch or two.

    Seems to me when they position Jeter they need to take that into account and let him play a little deeper than they would normally position him. Two steps back and he makes that play and turns two. He can make up those two steps with his arm, except for maybe vs real speedsters. I haven’t had much faith in the way the Yankees align their defense. this year as I thought (and YT) they are shifting way more. They need to take into account Jete’s range in the equation as well

    have a nice day everyone.

  147. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    MTU, I think it’s byproduct of a baseball crazed island and an existing pool of premium talents defecting at a high rate than in the past. The pool will run dry sooner than later. Yanks are missing the boat on that one.

  148. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Good morning Tar.

    The Yankees are shifting, but I noticed, many times the pitchers are not pitching to the inside corners to increase the chances the batters will hit into the shift. Of course if it’s a lefty batter in YS, the pitcher has to be “picture” perfect!

  149. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    U2, Tar, nice one breaking out there.

  150. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    You too Tar.

    :)

  151. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    In Puig, Solarte, Cepedes, Abreu, Team acquire those players can boast a young positional talent with tremendous upsides, something when you scan the higher minor or ML level of the NYY that is nowhere to be found.

    So the question is really this, WTF are they thinking about?

  152. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    Any news on Nunez?

  153. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    I’m Jeter’s biggest fan…..he’s my favorite player of all time by a wide margin…..but if you can’t get to that ball you really shouldn’t be playing SS in the big leagues.

    Now I will add that he’s looked a lot better than that this year so far…..so it may have just been an isolated play where his cleats got stuck or he didn’t see it off the bat or something……but that play has to be made 99 times out of 100 in the big leagues……it just does.

    I was wondering yesterday how many times McCann will say “Simmons would have had that” this year.

  154. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    GinaMarie Zimmerman @GinaMarieZ
    @EduardoNunez15 @angelinamtvjs facetime. Good luck on the twins bro . Your amazing . We love you :)))) #baseball pic.twitter.com/2xtcsffYU0
    —–
    YT, I have no idea who Gina Marie is, but good luck to Nunez. Oh btw, I found that tweet on right side of this post as I don’t have a twitter acct to follow the tremendous happening to humanities on a minute basis.

  155. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:14 am

    “Any news on Nunez?”

    he’s endangering the lives of the fans behind first base in AAA for the Twins now.

  156. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 8:15 am

    One last thing on celebrities. I should find that Joseph Campbell book, I think its called, ” Heroe with a Thousnand Faces “.

  157. raymagnetic April 9th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Even if Jeter makes that play Nova gets hammered like a nail.

    Nova flat out sucked yesterday. The loss was all on him.

  158. Yankee Trader April 9th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Cash

    No tweeting or twitting for me neither.

  159. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:16 am

    “So the question is really this, WTF are they thinking about?”

    Well Puig, Soler, and Cespedes was all about 189……Hal wouldn’t put any money on the 2014 books so they couldn’t sign any of them. With Abreu…..Tex is clogging 1B and that’s really it……Tex is clogging up 23 million a year and producing nothing more or less.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    The resentment against player salaries is at the root of all this “right to boo” stuff.

    Meanwhile, the owners who make billions get excuse after excuse made for them for putting the keystone cops in the infield while Cano walks.

    Greedy Cano, trying to take advantage of poor lil Hal and his East Cheap minions.

    Well if you could turn on a 95 mile per hour fastball on the inner half, or throw one, you’d get the $$$ too, and that is what this is all about, isn’t it?

    Yeah, that ‘ right to boo’ is right up there with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Go ahead and boo, no one’s going to stoP you.

    What a privilege

  161. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:20 am

    “Even if Jeter makes that play Nova gets hammered like a nail.

    Nova flat out sucked yesterday. The loss was all on him.”

    probably but you never know…..if Jeter makes that play they probably don’t give up a run in the 1st and Nova takes a lead back out there in the 2nd……we have no idea how differently he may have pitched had that not happened. Nova did suck yesterday…..he didn’t have command of anything…..but the point is that the defense didn’t help him and it got him off to a bad start. Sometimes things snowball……if the snowball never starts maybe it doesn’t roll down the hill. You never know.

    I’m done talking about this…..but it’s going to be a problem all year if they don’t do something about it…..it’s going to make good pitching performances look average and it’s going to make average pitching performances look bad.

  162. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:20 am

    Werd blake, missing opportunities is what I am saying.

  163. pat April 9th, 2014 at 8:22 am

    “You’d have to boost the fans salary 1st to a minimum of 400k.”

    If they had a unique marketable talent that was in demand and generated millions for their employer, they would make $400K.

  164. jmills April 9th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Alfred, I do believe if the product is bad, fans can boo.

    Love;
    A messed up Leaf fan

  165. bigdan22 April 9th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Do remember months ago when I was discussing all the reasons why the Yanks won’t sign Drew and I mentioned that there was no way the Yanks could have him on the roster NOT playing SS and potentially embarrassing Jeter when it became obvious to fans and the clubhouse that Drew would be by far the best option at SS? Can you imagine the talk after yesterday’s game if Drew were playing a position other than SS after the way Jeter looked? It would have been awful. The Yanks were never going to allow that to happen to their icon.

    I discussed yesterday how the Yanks have been rolling the dice with their infield choices, but so far at 2b and 3b they’ve hit about four points in a row and few hard ways to boot. It’s good to be lucky. But at SS, it’s a totally different story. Their hands are tied there and it’s not a matter of money. What they need is another “strategic injury.”

  166. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    The resentment against player salaries is at the root of all this “right to boo” stuff.
    ——
    That’s a big part of… I don’t go to game often, but I booed when i want to boo someone for whatever particular reasons. no justification needed. go ahead, to each’s own.

  167. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    There are plenty of people who talent who toil in obscurity for way less than 400K.

    And their talents are plenty marketable.

    And “in demand” is a fickle and frivolous indicator.

    It changes like the wind.

    Many times they are just undiscovered unless they just get lucky.

  168. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    I welcome MLB players to boo me at work, that would actually be funny Pat.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    I find it a weird
    Thing to focus on myself. Do whatever you want at
    Games, I doubt the players
    Care.

    Resentment though is a
    Strange food to feed on.

  170. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    If I performed like some guys do at those salaries I’d boo myself.

    The fact that we rate entertainers and athletes higher than scientists or artists tells you a lot about the state of our value systems and culture.

    :)

  171. yanks61 April 9th, 2014 at 8:33 am

    I don’t feel sorry for players being booed. I think they’re big enough and getting paid enough to be able to survive it.

    But, frankly, I don’t understand booing, especially a player on your own team. Is it going to motivate a guy to do better? I’m sure we all agree that those guys didn’t want to screw up and that, furthermore, they get all the criticism needed from their team mates.

    When I worked I didn’t accept any wise guy remarks from people who thought they could do my job, but never had. My feeling in regard to booing is that the only people with a “moral” right to do so are those who can play the game as well or better than those they’re booing.

    Just my opinion for the little it’s worth.

  172. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:34 am

    And for the record, I would rarely or ever boo a player.

  173. pat April 9th, 2014 at 8:34 am

    Years ago we took the kids to a Yankee game and sat behind 2 guys who were heckling and booing starting in the 1st inning. I told the kids everytime they booed it meant they wanted them to sing Take Me Out to the Ballgame really loud. They stopped booing pretty quickly. :wink:

    Have to go take a conference call for my less than $400K job. TTFN.

  174. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    I have a question.

    Does anyone have an opinion on why we are getting such a rash of TJ type injuries this season ?

  175. yanks61 April 9th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    “The fact that we rate entertainers and athletes higher than scientists or artists tells you a lot about the state of our value systems and culture.”

    MTU hitting the nail on the head, as usual.

    Mike, I agree 100% with that sentiment. But I still wouldn’t boo anyone, athelete or entertainer. I guess it’s just against my nature. It’s certainly not a capital crime to boo, but I would feel right about doing it.

  176. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Pat, it comes to etiquette I think, I normally behave like a ‘normal’ human being in front of little ones.

  177. Mike Ri April 9th, 2014 at 8:38 am

    The loss is all on Nova ……. If Jeter didn’t get to the ball . .. Ok fine .. Settle down and pick your infielder up……

  178. Against All Odds April 9th, 2014 at 8:39 am

    R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2014 at 8:39 am

    Who exactly is
    “we”? Our society? Well the guy going to baseball games, if eh feels
    That strongly about it, here’s an idea
    - don’t go.

    And really, let’s
    Not deify “scientists” either. That’s a whole other level of political crap controlled
    By a
    Small group. Research is routinely suppressed
    That
    Doesn’t fit an outmoded
    Paradigm, people steal other peoples ideas, people who disprove
    Einstein never get published (I
    Doubt he would
    Approve).

  180. Cashmoney April 9th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Oh man, UW died? R.I.P Warrior… he was pretty nutzo.

  181. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    61-

    And how about our educators ?

    Those who instruct and train the next generation and future contributors to the knowledge base of society.

    Shouldn’t we value them higher and compensate them accordingly ?

  182. yanks61 April 9th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    would NOT

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    It’s on the FO that they didn’t get someone with better range at 3rd to complement Jeter and didn’t sign the great Robinson Cano. Go up to Hal’s box
    And
    Boo him -that is, if you can find him T Yankee Stadium.

  184. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    JAP-

    I don’t deify Scientists because after all they are human beings too.

    But their contributions are much more important to the progress and maintenance of Society
    than those of an athlete or entertainer IMO.

    If you don’t agree with me that’s fine.

    You’re entitled to your take.

    And we can agree to disagree.

    ;)

  185. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    “Does anyone have an opinion on why we are getting such a rash of TJ type injuries this season ?”

    I have theories….I think pitchers throw too little and lift weights too much. I think they are strengthening the muscles around the joints to a point that exceeds what the ligaments and tendons in the joint are designed to handle. The ligaments and tendons don’t get stronger with the muscles…..they stay the same…..so I think once a player’s muscles get stronger and they start throwing a baseball faster than perhaps they were built to naturally do then things start to break…….

    I don’t think it’s a coincendence at all that pitchers are throwing harder than ever……but are getting hurt a lot more……the body isn’t designed to throw a baseball over hand anyway…..let alone throw it 95 mph over and over again.

    One thing is clear……all the babying and pitch counts and innings limits and stuff they think is helping……isn’t really helping at all. It’s all just a shot in the dark……

  186. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    Losing Moore really hurts the Rays….if he’s gone for the season it has to increase the Yanks odds as I see them as really the biggest competition this year…..

  187. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    even freaks of nature like Verlander can’t throw a baseball 100 mph forever….he’s throwing like 90 this year…..probably somewhat by design to limit wear and tear and probably somewhat because he probably can’t throw as hard as he used to.

  188. yanks61 April 9th, 2014 at 8:50 am

    MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:40 am
    61-

    And how about our educators ?

    Those who instruct and train the next generation and future contributors to the knowledge base of society.

    Shouldn’t we value them higher and compensate them accordingly ?

    ——————————————————————————-

    No question, MTU. But now you are forcing me to show my left-wing sentiments!

  189. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    Thanks for the opinion.

    It does seem to be epidemic this season.

    Maybe it is just because it is among high profile types and we take notice more ?

    And I agree w you.

    The loss of a quality lefty like Moore is devastating to the Rays.

    They are thinking of subbing in Bedard which is hilarious.

    And yes, I, like you, figured them as our prime competitor this season.

  190. bigdan22 April 9th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    A shortstop makes a third baseman look better, not the other way around. And as far as the metrics go, it doesn’t appear Cano was saving the Yanks a whole lot of runs with his glove.

    I don’t think you can have a game-changing defensive play in the first inning of a game that you lose by nine runs. Yesterday’s game falls squarely on Nova but the SS defense was particularly poor and my point is that if Drew or another high priced SS option were on the Yanks’ roster that would have created an untenable situation for Jeter and the FO.

    Jeter and the FO are in this farewell season together. Now they need to sleep in that bed that they’ve made for each other.

  191. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    61-

    IMO there is nothing left-wing about compensating educators well.

    It is actually just common sense FWIS.

    ;)

  192. blake April 9th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    “A shortstop makes a third baseman look better, not the other way around. And as far as the metrics go, it doesn’t appear Cano was saving the Yanks a whole lot of runs with his glove.”

    but it would make 3B better…..having two bad fielders on the left side is worse than 1

  193. Shame Spencer April 9th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    But how do we feel about booing Justin Bieber….?!

  194. MTU April 9th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    New one ————>

  195. J. Alfred Prufrock April 9th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    MTU,

    That America is a materialistic, consumption-based Culture that values what you own more
    Than who you are is t news to me, and frankly the Newtonian paradigm has everything to
    Do with that, so “scientists” are nOt necessarily allowing scientists to advance pure knowlege and/or that which contributes to a
    “base” knowlege that benefits society
    Would benefit humanity.

    That’s a broad
    Discussion and I don’t see
    How baseball is detracting from the progress
    Of science or of artists (and
    “Art” is
    Most definitely controlled
    By the elite;
    The “starving artist” is an invention of the rich).

    It’s also true that manyany baseball players devote time
    To youth programs, give to charities, etc.
    They’re not all self centered egotists
    Who just count their k

  196. yanks61 April 9th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    61-

    IMO there is nothing left-wing about compensating educators well.

    It is actually just common sense FWIS.

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    MTU, I absolutely agree, and I’m very glad to hear you say so.

    However the dictates of the market is how society generally values people’s contributions to that society. Normally (but not always, I agree), those with more conservative views than my own are strict adhérents of the market and thus don’t take the same view that you and I do. That shouldn’t be the case, I also agree, because anyone looking beyond the next quarter results can see that education and medical research, to take just two examples, are enormously important to the long term health of a country. Just common sense as you say. Unfortunately, short term results seems to be, more often than not, the way things are generally reckoned.

    I hope all is well in your little part of paradise. I’m off to see the wizard. Have a great day.

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