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Pineda dazzling in Yankee Stadium debut

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 10, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Michael Pineda

For two years, Michael Pineda was a kind of Yankees mystery. It was unclear whether he’d ever have an impact at Yankee Stadium, let alone pitch a game like he did tonight. In the series opener against the Red Sox, Pineda went six strong innings, allowing one run, striking out seven and lifting the Yankees to a 4-1 win against their long-time rivals. The one mystery that remained was this: What was that gunk on his hand? Boston’s NESN broadcast showed footage of what seemed to be pine tar on Pineda’s pitching hand, but if the Red Sox thought he was cheating, they never made a stink about it, and it seemed the only people who cared were in the broadcast booths or posting on Twitter (it’s worth noting that tonight’s Red Sox starter, Clay Buchholz, has previously been accused of using a foreign substance to get better grip on the ball). Pineda didn’t allow a hit until a leadoff single in the fifth, and he didn’t allow a run until Daniel Nava led off the seventh with a home run. The Yankees gave him a lead with Brian McCann’s go-ahead single in the fourth, and Dean Anna hit his first big league home run in the fifth. With their bullpen depleted because of overuse the past three days, the Yankees got two outs from Cesar Cabral before David Phelps closed out the game with 2.1 hitless innings. It was the first save of his career.

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280 Responses to “Pineda dazzling in Yankee Stadium debut”

  1. Jerkface April 10th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    Great win. This is a good series to build some distance in the AL east. Get a nice separation with the Red Sox. They will need it.

  2. Your Name Here April 10th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....ache=1.gif

    Is this the worst call ever? Honestly…….?

  3. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Chad great story on Solarte from this morning. Just had a chance to read it. Surprised to hear he is Roger. Cedeno’s nephew as well as how he got his name.

  4. SweetSpot April 10th, 2014 at 10:06 pm

    Props to Cashman and the Yankees organization for understanding that Montero was not the player they thought he was and deaaling him while his value was still high for a superb pitcher in Pineda.

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    A huge thumbs up for Michael Pineda. Kind of came as advertised.

    :)

  6. jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    First place again

    Awesome facts:

    Pineda strong. Velo: maybe grip issues? Fatigue? Slider and CU were nasty

    McCann did beat the shift! As long as he goes the line drive way, he will be fine

    Nice rebound from Phelps. Well needed.

    Jeter continues to prove he’s fully healthy

  7. hardwired7 April 10th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

    Phelps with the old-school save. Somewhere, Goose Gossage smiles.

  8. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    repost-

    Is it me, or was this a pretty enjoyable in-game thread?

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    jmv – these are the excellent New York Yankees. You can never say never with our guys.

    :)

    DAZZLING. Absolutely.

  10. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    Well that’s the Yanks formula for winning. Pitching, Pitching and little more pitching.

    As I’ve been saying the last few days, this team looks remarkably similar to last year’s early version. When the starters and bullpen are on, they can win close games. But if there’s any pitching fail at all, there seems to be almost no chance. Very little margin for error with this team which is why the bullpen is so very key. I bet run differential don’t look too good right about. Just like last year.

    Other notes:

    –I tell you who’s different than last year. The Sox. Boy this lineup is missing something. I mean more than something. It doesn’t look nearly as good as the last two teams the Yanks played, the Jays and Orioles.

    –Jeter looks remarkably like Derek Jeter.

    –Right down today’s date. McCann got a single! There won’t be many of those. I count six hits taking away from him so far this season by the shift.

    –Gardner strikes out way way way too much.

    –Thank you Girardi for not getting to cute with the bullpen. If you are going to put starters in the pen, then let them pitch. Very nice outing by Phelps.

    –For the first four innings, Pineda had the best stuff on the staff. Then something happen. Stay tuned.

  11. blake April 10th, 2014 at 10:12 pm

    With the Matt Moore injury I think the Yanks can win this division……they should try to fill their holes and go for it

  12. jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    “chicken_stanley says:
    April 10, 2014 at 10:04 pm
    The fastball that starts in on a lefty and breaks back over the plate is one of the most under rated pitches in bseball”

    Bartolo Colon made a career out of that pitch…

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    re-sponse!

    chicken – I was going to say the same thing. Thanks all for a fun and upbeat game thread!

    :)

    My apologies to GF who I think hates this saying (or was it MG?)

    GOOD WAITERS GET GOOD TIPS!!!

  14. LevinsonSF April 10th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    It’s all about the pitching. Beautiful win for our guys.

  15. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Oh and BTW, Pineda’s last four hitters with no fastball, booming double, fly out, monster home run, line drive single. There’s a word for that–Smoked!

  16. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    j9d – where have you been all game?

  17. SweetSpot April 10th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    LOL! Cashman just pulled a Joe Pesci in his presser. He was asked about the pine tar and said he knew nothing. Someone in the group laughed and Girardi gave him the “was something funny?” comment. Priceless.

  18. Triple Short of a Cycle April 10th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    Great win. This is a good series to build some distance in the AL east. Get a nice separation with the Red Sox. They will need it.

    ————————————

    They needed it especially with an almost guaranteed loss when CC goes against Lester.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    Continued kudos to Joe Girardi. He knows his guys better than we know them.

    And huge kudos to him for being able to do something pretty magnificent – manage the New York Yankees. Just think about that for a minute or two and realize just how good he is.

  20. jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    Blake,

    Yankees have a real shot. The rest of the teams have even more “ifs”

    Bigdan,

    Both the pitching and the offense are better than last year’s. So we expect better results…

  21. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    funny like a clown

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY&noredirect=1

  22. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    sherman going pitbull on girardi

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    “Oh and BTW, Pineda’s last four hitters with no fastball, booming double, fly out, monster home run, line drive single. There’s a word for that–Smoked!”

    :roll:

    They’ve already stated the obvious. Pineda was getting tired.

    **********

    Joel Sherman busting Girardi’s chops about Pineda and putting him against the wall. And now other reporters are following it up.

    Here’s the reason its best not to do anything that invites suspicion.

    SMH

  24. Captain Clutch April 10th, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    It’s so ridiculous that Girardi has to answer questions about Pineda and a substance on his hand. When Kenny Rogers, Schilling and every Sox pitcher does it it’s never a big deal. But of course when it’s a yankee it’s a big deal.

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    “sherman going pitbull on girardi”

    He’ll probably have wet dreams thinking about his next column.

  26. SweetSpot April 10th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Wow! Worst Girardi post-game ever! Man was he nailed and pissed.

  27. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    hey , it’s a story, that’s all they care about…

  28. Yankee Trader April 10th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    How does pine tar come into the equation to help a pitcher?

    Pitchers sweat and their hands grow moist. No amount of wiping and resin is going to eliminate the underlying moisture that might compromise their grip on the ball. Pine tar is an inherently sticky substance that batters use to reinforce their grip on the bat, but it works for pitchers as well. The problem for pitchers is that it’s illegal.

    Arm speed creates velocity, but the seams on the ball are where a pitcher makes the ball move. The more secure a pitcher’s fingers are on the seams, the greater rotation he’s going to get when he releases the ball. Because of this the movement is increased.

    The seams are what’s responsible for the rise in a rising fastball; the cut in a cutter; the slide in a slider; and the break in a curveball. If a pitcher doesn’t have the seams, no amount of arm/wrist break is going to give him the movement he’ll get from the seams.

    Pine tar increases the adhesion of finger to ball and with that, the spin.

    Is this going to be an issue for Pineda going forward?

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    “It’s so ridiculous that Girardi has to answer questions about Pineda and a substance on his hand. When Kenny Rogers, Schilling and every Sox pitcher does it it’s never a big deal. But of course when it’s a yankee it’s a big deal.”

    Do you realize that it’s against the rules? How stupid do you have to be to do something that’s going to invite problems? Just amazing.

  30. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    bigdan – touche. but that’s not a result of velo. Pineda was at 94-95 early but dropped off (I think it was the 2nd inning, check the in game posts because I was ready to jump off a bridge), the fact remains that he was effective at 90-91 until his last inning…

  31. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    joe will eventually come clean and say hey they all do it, bust everyone…

  32. SweetSpot April 10th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    Let’s be real folks, he had pine tar on his wrist – what others do or don’t do doesn’t matter. The Sox didn’t go to the umpire and Cone said it’s common to use tar on a cold night to get a better grip. It does not affect the flight of the ball. So, that’s it.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    Trader – they just said that whatever he had on his hand was removed in the third inning. And we saw how he pitched after that. So I’m thinking with the weather warming up (if it was to help grip the ball), he won’t be needing to use it anymore. And with the controversy it will cause, just in the short run, I’m thinking he won’t be using it anymore.

    (But I guess there’s some poetic justice that he used it in a game against Chucky, ha ha)

  34. Yankee Trader April 10th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    Sorry. Meant to give the source for the above.

    http://paullebowitz.wordpress......a-pitcher/

  35. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    its like peds…if they can cheat, we can too…level the playing field

  36. blake April 10th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Pineda says it was dirt.

  37. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    Something to keep an eye out for. I believe teams with championship potential get more than their fair share of comeback wins. Remember the ’09 team? Remember last year? Or even the year before?

    This isn’t a hard and fast rule I’m sure, but if the Yanks can’t generate enough offense for at least a few comeback wins when the starter doesn’t have it, I have a feeling they won’t get to the 90 win level and truly compete for a playoff spot.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    “Let’s be real folks, he had pine tar on his wrist – what others do or don’t do doesn’t matter. The Sox didn’t go to the umpire and Cone said it’s common to use tar on a cold night to get a better grip. It does not affect the flight of the ball. So, that’s it”

    Seriously, I’m happy to accept that explanation, I believe it, and as far as I’m concerned, as you said, that’s it.

  39. SweetSpot April 10th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    Trish – the rule states it’s a warning not an eviction offense. Not the same as vaseline. Cold night, get a better grip that’s all. There are different types of offenses, right?

  40. pete2 April 10th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

    This was a huge win in what is a huge series for the Yankees, especially with CC going tomorrow since he has had trouble against the Red Sox the last few years even with a better FB.

    Buchholz has not pitched well for the Red Sox and their offense has been struggling, but so what, you have to take advantage when the opportunity presents itself, and they did tonight.

    Who would have thought Ann and Gardner would have 1/3 of the Yankees HR’s?

    The offense is still not clicking the way it can, but 4 was enough tonight.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    “its like peds…if they can cheat, we can too…level the playing field”

    It’s wrong. And if he wasn’t cheating, then so be it. But please don’t try to make cheating right. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  42. Captain Clutch April 10th, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    Do you realize that it’s against the rules?
    —————

    My point was that the media never makes it a big deal when it’s a player on another team doing it. Laptops has been caught using a substance 1 million times and it was never a big story. I am not talking about right or wrong but it’s always a bigger story when it’s a yankee player.

  43. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    if you don’t think the rs don’t miss the grinding victorino and ellsbury then i have a bridge id like to sell you..

  44. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    It’s wrong. And if he wasn’t cheating, then so be it. But please don’t try to make cheating right. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
    ======================
    its survival of the fittest
    now they should hitting back after lackey or peavey throw at us

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    “This isn’t a hard and fast rule I’m sure, but if the Yanks can’t generate enough offense for at least a few comeback wins when the starter doesn’t have it, I have a feeling they won’t get to the 90 win level and truly compete for a playoff spot.”

    Why would you even talk about that 10 games in? Shouldn’t you let the season unfold and see what happens? If you can’t see that they are generating more offense as the season goes on, and that there will be pitchers who stop them, then you must be new to the game.

    We just won a great game. Celebrate the win rather than throw out warnings. Geesh.

  46. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    You get thrown out if you are caught using Pine tar.

    Pitchers on every single MLB team use it…so nobody is going to complain about it because it will just come back to bite you. An unwritten rule

    This whole thing is really silly.

  47. Tyler April 10th, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    Pitchers use pine tar and other substances to help them grip the ball. When Ortiz gets rightly punished for his milk shakes, then I’ll worry about Pineda doing what everybody else is doing.

  48. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    How about David Ortiz gets the same investigator to look into Pineda’s substance that he supposedly hired to look into his name of a list of alleged PED users – that will solve the controversy.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    “My point was that the media never makes it a big deal when it’s a player on another team doing it. Laptops has been caught using a substance 1 million times and it was never a big story. I am not talking about right or wrong but it’s always a bigger story when it’s a yankee player.”

    Clutch. That’s a flippin’ given. I’m curious to see whether things change at all as soon as Uncle Bud screws.

  50. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    ———————-

    Trisha – true. But three rights make a left :)

  51. Yankee Trader April 10th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    ESPN, Plesac and Reynolds, showed the clip from last year when Laptops clearly was using it, stored on his forearm.

  52. hardwired7 April 10th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    Time for mlb’s csi team to run a spectral analysis on the Pineda dirt.

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    “This whole thing is really silly.”

    I think I’ll disagree.

    :D

  54. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
    bigdan – touche. but that’s not a result of velo. Pineda was at 94-95 early but dropped off (I think it was the 2nd inning, check the in game posts because I was ready to jump off a bridge), the fact remains that he was effective at 90-91 until his last inning…

    —-

    My contemporaneous notes.

    2nd inning: 92/93/94

    3rd inning: no velo notes

    4th inning: 92/92/94, great CU at 87

    5th inning: slider up for a hit, FB declining 90/91/92/90. Got out of inning with great CUs

    6th inning: 89-91. Fastball gone. Ortiz blasts one.

    7th inning: Why is he in there, he looks done? 91/90/90, hanging slider, 87 FB to Bogarts, Home Run and single

  55. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    you have buckwheat out there with icicles on his head from the liquids he pours on between innings and wonder why the RS say nothing?

    again, i have a bridge over here….

  56. CompassRosy April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue says:
    April 10, 2014 at 10:07 pm
    A huge thumbs up for Michael Pineda. Kind of came as advertised.

    __________________

    And I do believe I was one of those doing the advertising ;-)

    amirite, Sis?

    Way to go, Michael!

  57. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    “Trisha – true. But three rights make a left”

    :D lol

  58. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
    j9d – where have you been all game?
    —————————————————-

    Hey chicken

    I am so superstitious with the Yankees that I resisted going on the game post because they have lost the last few times I have been on. I know it is silly to think I have anything to do with the outcome but each of us has our own little idea that if we sit in the right chair our team will win. :).

    Great game for sure!

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    1. Will Pineda be on the postgame, and if so, how long will it take for a reporter (Sherman) to ask about the pine tar.

    2. Wonder what Farrell is going to say about it.

    :)

    I’m going to watch the DVRd Sux post game after this one because it will give me joy to see their postgame. I will let you know anything any of them have to say about it, because I’m sure they will be asked about it. FWIW

  60. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    I don’t know what happened, but Pineda turned into a pumpkin sometime in the 5th inning. If it weren’t for his awesome CU, he wouldn’t have gotten out of the 5th.

  61. blake April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    Whatever Pineda can do to beat the Red Sox is fine with me

  62. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:29 pm
    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    ———————-

    Trisha – true. But three rights make a left :)

    *****

    What if you are walking around a triangle object?

  63. jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    Bigdan,

    I’m almost sure I saw 94 on the last Ortiz AB. Is there any way to double check?

  64. igotid88 April 10th, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    I doubt it was dirt. But to say pine tar doesn’t affect the ball. I find that hard to believe.

  65. blake April 10th, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    bigdan22 says:
    April 10, 2014 at 10:32 pm
    I don’t know what happened, but Pineda turned into a pumpkin sometime in the 5th inning. If it weren’t for his awesome CU, he wouldn’t have gotten out of the 5th.

    He got tired….he pitched very well so lets know diminish that

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Meredith – “What were you doing that allowed you to pitch so well?”

    Witch.

    Pineda said it was just dirt.

    Nobody asked him about what it was.

    “After the third inning you didn’t see it anymore?” Some female reporter.

  67. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    Bigdan – I kept no notes… that said, his velo dropped early,,, no way he touched 94 in the 4th

  68. igotid88 April 10th, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    Pineda needs to work on his lying. Looked a little awkward.

  69. Captain Clutch April 10th, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    LoL
    ——–

    @brianmacp

    David Ortiz: “Everybody uses pine tar. It’s not a big deal.”

  70. SweetSpot April 10th, 2014 at 10:35 pm

    You don’t get thrown out if you are caught using pine tar and the umpire determines you were using it only for grip purposes. You are warned; at least according to Cone and Kay who had someone look up the rule. It is not legal, but it’s not considered the same as using a substance like vaseline.

  71. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    —-

    My contemporaneous notes.

    2nd inning: 92/93/94

    3rd inning: no velo notes

    4th inning: 92/92/94, great CU at 87

    5th inning: slider up for a hit, FB declining 90/91/92/90. Got out of inning with great CUs

    6th inning: 89-91. Fastball gone. Ortiz blasts one.

    7th inning: Why is he in there, he looks done? 91/90/90, hanging slider, 87 FB to Bogarts, Home Run and single

    *****

    Thanks for sharing. Here are my notes.

    2nd inning: Hey Pineda looks good. Wonder what I should get for dinner?

    3rd inning: Telemarketer calling again. Pineda still looks good. Think I will go with pizza.

    4th inning: Wish it was Friday already. Have travel tomorrow.

    5th inning: Pizza is here. Go Pineda.

    6th inning: This is just like the Toronto start, but better.

    7th inning: Good pitching performance by Pineda. Good pizza choice.

  72. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    j9d – like the bud light commercial – its only silly if it doesn’t work! Good to see you!

  73. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    farrell covering up for pineda, i love it…baseball will never change

  74. pete2 April 10th, 2014 at 10:36 pm

    mv April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    Bigdan,

    I’m almost sure I saw 94 on the last Ortiz AB. Is there any way to double check?

    ——————————

    Threw a slider and a 89 mph FB to Ortiz that he hit for a double. Only 2 pitches. From MLB gameday pitch by pitch summary

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....de=gameday

  75. sammiejohnson April 10th, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    If it weren’t for his awesome CU, he wouldn’t have gotten out of the 5th.

    ________________________________

    What?? randy has been telling us for two years now that Pineda doesn’t have a CU.

  76. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Good article on pine tar.

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports.....ll/1236421

  77. The Fifth Core Foursman April 10th, 2014 at 10:37 pm

    Sweet kid that Pineda huh?

  78. hardwired7 April 10th, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Much like what was behind Marcellus’ band-aid in Pulp Fiction, I guess we’ll just never know.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    “He got tired….he pitched very well so lets not diminish that”

    Makes you wonder why people feel the need to diminish something so great. And as much of a rookie as I am, I know that Pineda is just coming back and hasn’t pitched full major league games in more than a year. Isn’t it obvious that he would get tired? Smoked? Talk about overstatement.

  80. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    You don’t get thrown out if you are caught using pine tar and the umpire determines you were using it only for grip purposes”

    WC shut up.

    And you do get thrown out for using any foreign substance on the ball

  81. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
    Meredith – “What were you doing that allowed you to pitch so well?”

    Witch.

    Pineda said it was just dirt.

    Nobody asked him about what it was.

    “After the third inning you didn’t see it anymore?” Some female reporter.

    ———————————————–2

    Trisha thanks can you give some context here re: “some female reporter?” Thanks

  82. jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Pete2,

    Thanks. It must have been on the previous AB

  83. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Much like what was behind Marcellus’ band-aid in Pulp Fiction, I guess we’ll just never know.
    =============================
    could have been the beating he took

  84. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    bigdan – I retract my last comment… I really don’t care what his velo was… good start :)

  85. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Stoneburner – LAMO!!!!! But thanks for your inning to inning notes!

    :)

  86. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Farrelll, Pedroia + Ortiz dismissed the pine tar thing. Either didn’t notice or didn’t care. “Everybody in the league does it,” Ortiz said.”

    No kidding really? I guess some here on Lohud missed that memo.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    j9d – I didn’t have any idea who it was. I know it was a female voice. Could have been some beantown reporter. I don’t think it was Meredith again.

  88. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    Meredith – “What were you doing that allowed you to pitch so well?”
    ===========================
    He said all his pitches were working.
    She led with that question, don’t think she meant the pinetar or was trying to trick him.

  89. pete2 April 10th, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:39 pm

    Pete2,

    Thanks. It must have been on the previous AB
    ========================

    Yeah, in the 4th he actually got to 94-95 on Ortiz. The other hitters he was 89-92 in the 4th.

  90. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    hardwired – Pulp Fiction… One of my top 5 movies of all time !

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    “@brianmacp

    David Ortiz: “Everybody uses pine tar. It’s not a big deal.”

    :lol:

    Spoken like a true cheat. I guess it takes one to know one!

    ***********

    Here’s my prediction. You’re not going to see anything on Pineda’s hand from this moment on, other than skin.

    :)

  92. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    Nobody asked him about what it was.
    ===================
    yes they did

  93. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    sammie – be nice! :)

  94. Yankee Trader April 10th, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    Nice win.

    With the notes on the diminished velocity and the use of pine tar,otherwise “known” as dirt, I have concerns about his pitching, getting movement on a diminished fastball later in the game, without the use of a foreign substance.

    Shoulder fatigue later in the game?

  95. pat April 10th, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    “Everybody in the league does it,”

    Not everyone does it! MLB is gonna demand random pine tar testing.

  96. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Here’s my prediction. You’re not going to see anything on Pineda’s hand from this moment on, other than skin.”

    Here’s my prediction..he is going to do a better job at hiding it until the heat is off. Then it will back to usual.

    trish even hitters don’t mind pitchers using Pine tar, do you know why?

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    “He said all his pitches were working.
    She led with that question, don’t think she meant the pinetar or was trying to trick him.”

    You may be right. But I don’t trust her. She asks too many “probing” questions. CC just about turns his head away after she asks him one question. She typically will ask an open-ended question like “How did you feel about your game?” to open up an interview. I think she thinks she’s slick.

  98. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    sammiejohnson April 10th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    If it weren’t for his awesome CU, he wouldn’t have gotten out of the 5th.

    ________________________________

    What?? randy has been telling us for two years now that Pineda doesn’t have a CU.

    ——-

    So have I. This guy is a complete mystery to me. He didn’t have much of a FB until his last start. In that game he was 93/94 all game. 95 in the 6th. Today he loses his FB in the 5th. Who knows what he’ll be next time. But the CU was plenty sweet today.

  99. The Fifth Core Foursman April 10th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Here’s my prediction. You’re not going to see anything on Pineda’s hand from this moment on, other than skin.

    ————

    Yeah because he’ll hide it better. Or it was just sweaty dirt like he said. Which it kinda looked like.

  100. bruceb April 10th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Red Sox accuse Yankees of cheating? Surely not?

    Even if Pineda did have a bit of pine tar on his hand, at least he didn’t take a shower in an illegal substance like laptop did last year. He should have been renamed the Greaseball Kid.

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    “trish even hitters don’t mind pitchers using Pine tar, do you know why?”

    No.

  102. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Thanks Trisha and Mick. With all the knucklehead MLB analysts (e.g. Kevin Millar and company) we don’t need to target the (very few)women reporters as the problem with this kind of stuff.

  103. jmv April 10th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    Well, a really nice win.

    Couldn’t care less about tar (not speaking about you, Tar, LOL)

    Velo: we will have to wait and see. All I know is the Sux will have nightmares tonight with that CU. Nasty, nasty

    Good night all!

  104. willwill April 10th, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    Rain out friday? Maybe pineda will open up in tampa.. I may go to that game if so.

  105. igotid88 April 10th, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Big start for CC tomorrow.

  106. NYY fan in NH April 10th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Wow NESN is obsessed with this Pineda substance crap. Sox fans and media always looking for excuses as to why they lose. Almost as bad as Patriot fans. I live in NH so I see this crap daily and take a lot abuse, but i’m KING tonight thanks to Pineda and Phelps.

  107. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    Pretty funny Stoneburner haha.

  108. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    It just occurred to me… we’re on here talking about pine tar (or whatever) on Pineda’s arm when there are much more pressing issues to talk about; like dolphins with lasers, sharknados… lets get some perspective guys!

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    “So have I.”

    Look, I don’t mean to put you on the cross, but are you in touch with the reality of what happens, or is just what you think that trumps everything else? How can you say someone doesn’t have a CU after they’ve been throwing it with their previous team and comes out and talks about their CU?

    You guys stymie me sometimes, honestly.

  110. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    Trish

    Because it gives them a better grip on the ball. Less chance of the ball slipping out of their hands and possibly hurting someone. read that article i linked at 10:37. It will take you a couple of seconds and hopefully give you a better insight.

  111. pat April 10th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

    PeteAbe
    Ortiz: “I can’t tell you how balls I foul off that have pine tar. It’s part of the game. You just take it.”

    If everyone is using it, why not make it legal?

  112. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    Good night jmv. :D

  113. sammiejohnson April 10th, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    sammie – be nice!
    ===============

    Sorry Chicken!

    ==================

    Rob Abruzzese ?@RobAbruzzese 4m

    FWIW, Jesus Montero is in AAA right now and hitting .235/.263/.471 in 19 plate appearances.

    =================

    Crap, there I go again……………

  114. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Bernabe

    Women reporters in baseball (like male sideline reporters…though they are few these days) are relegated to sidelines and ask only the questions they are told to ask. That’s what sideline reporters do regardless of gender. They have no leeway. On the other hand, these so called analysts can speak freely and show their smarts, which unfortunately doesn’t work out so well for them in the light of day.

  115. igotid88 April 10th, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    Don’t they rub pine tar on the baseballs beforehand? Or is that something else?

  116. chicken_stanley April 10th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    enough nonsense from me. Take care, everyone. Catch you tomorrow

  117. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    I don’t care if Pineda was cheating or not. Whatever works.

    Its part of the game and has been for a century.

  118. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:55 pm

    they rub mud, which is dirt, as pineda said on their balls.

  119. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:56 pm

    please define cheating

  120. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    “Don’t they rub pine tar on the baseballs beforehand? Or is that something else?”

    Mud and the umpires do it.

  121. Hankflorida April 10th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    May I repeat what Cone said about Phelps about his pitches on the corner of the plate and point to Napoli’s at bat as an example of how good Phelps can be if the umpire has a wide strike zone. Phelps demeanor reminds me of Mussina even if his stuff is not on the same level, and I still see him as a starter or in long relief then an 8th inning guy in a tight game where not getting the calls can be more disastrous to a team when he is not getting the calls.

  122. mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    Jorge Castillo @jorgeccastillo

    RT @nickcafardo: David Ortiz on Michael Pineda: Everybody uses pine tar. No big deal.”
    ==================================
    Good thing he didn’t slip and say: Everybody drinks milk shakes.

  123. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    “enough nonsense from me. Take care, everyone. Catch you tomorrow”

    Night Chicken…remember look both ways. :D

  124. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    “I don’t care if Pineda was cheating or not. Whatever works.

    Its part of the game and has been for a century.”

    That’s cool.

    I care. Because something was wrong for a century doesn’t mean it should remain wrong.

    But you are not alone in not caring, nor am I alone in caring.

    I personally find it a lot more exciting to see natural ability against natural ability rather than artificial help. I want my team to win fair and square. And I want other teams to have to play fair. Why have rules if you are going to cherry pick the ones you like? Anyway, they’re supposed to follow the rules. If you don’t want to follow them, find another job.

    I care about integrity in even phase of life. I’m on a mission to bring purity to the world.

    :D

  125. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    From RAB – rut row AL, Yankees might have more bullpen arm reinforcements coming:

    RHP Danny Burawa: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 WP, 1/1 GB/FB — 20 of 30 pitches were strikes … 8/1 K/BB in four innings

    RHP Mark Montgomery: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 23 of 38 pitches were strikes (61%)

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    Let me say this about tomorrow’s game as a statement of fact. CC has not been known to master the Sux.

    That said, there’s always a first time!

    :)

    Night all. Brush your teeth, say your prayers, and dream sweet dreams.

    Every dawn is a new beginning – even for CC vs. the Sux.

    xox

  127. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 11:06 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    I care. Because something was wrong for a century doesn’t mean it should remain wrong.

    —-

    This isn’t Sunday school so I’m not getting your righteousness. It’s just a baseball game.

    Perhaps it’s not really cheating if the players have accepted it as part of the game for 100 years.

  128. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    Bernabe

    Good. Then you should consider holding the 99.8% of male broadcasters accountable and commenting on your conclusions here. Funny, we have never heard from you in this regard.

  129. Tar April 10th, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    Even umpires won’t call Pine Tar use…. unless they have to.

    Like I said this whole thing is silly.

  130. BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    Terrible news to report. Some vandals in New Haven just defaced a giant poster of New Haven native Greg Breslow–the former Yale and current Red Sox player. Authorities have yet to be informed. Reportedly, the poster had the words “Red Sux–Even their name Sux” on it. This has yet to be confirmed.

  131. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    Bernabe April 10th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
    “I care about integrity in even phase of life. I’m on a mission to bring purity to the world.”

    Can you start with David Ortiz? Empty the juice from his needles and fill them with saline instead.

    *****

    Ortiz has already taken too much gummies to inject himself anymore. He is pure gummy now. He is the source – he has “transcended” from having to take anything – kind of like “The Lawnmower Man” or the quasi remake ripoff “Transcendence,” opening Friday, April 18 at a theater near you, rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned – some material may be inappropriate for children under 13).

  132. j9d April 10th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    Going to bed too. Night all.

  133. Tyler April 10th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
    From RAB – rut row AL, Yankees might have more bullpen arm reinforcements coming:

    RHP Danny Burawa: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 WP, 1/1 GB/FB — 20 of 30 pitches were strikes … 8/1 K/BB in four innings

    RHP Mark Montgomery: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 23 of 38 pitches were strikes (61%)
    ———————————————————————

    Very nice. Either 1 of those 2 guys sticking in the MLB pen could help put this team over the top. System seems off to a pretty nice start overall… Williams stringing some hits together and Jagiello hitting for power. Really excited about Avelino. Just wish he was 2-3 years more into his development.

  134. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    This Bernabe douche bag is obviously C R 9.

  135. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:10 pm

    They are not about to start enforcing this to the letter of the law.
    It’s accepted. If they tried to enforce every thing baseball would be a police state.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    “This isn’t Sunday school so I’m not getting your righteousness. It’s just a baseball game.”

    This is their occupation. This is what they get paid handsomely for. It’s not phony wrestling with Gorilla Monsoon. They occupy spaces that other players would like to take and may not get the chance because some ox is using steroids and playing the game dirty.

    “Perhaps it’s not really cheating if the players have accepted it as part of the game for 100 years.”

    That’s kind of like saying work is supposed to end at 5:00 but because there’s an honor system and nobody really watching, everyone is leaving earlier than they should. But since everyone does it, maybe it’s not wrong.

    If the rule book says it’s wrong, it’s wrong. I get that there’s been cheating throughout the life of the game, because you guys have said it often enough that there has to be something to it.

    The way I look at it is – that was then and this is now.

    But I get that not everyone takes is as seriously as I do.

  137. BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
    please define cheating
    —-
    There is regular cheating and then there is stupid cheating.

    Regular cheating for example would be for me to have BigDan22 or Trisha take the LSATs for me.

    Stupid cheating would be to have Bartolo Colon take the LSATs for me.

  138. Niki April 10th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Good article on pine tar.

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports…..ll/1236421

    =======================================

    Tar – good article. Thanks for posting it.

  139. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Tyler April 10th, 2014 at 11:10 pm
    Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
    From RAB – rut row AL, Yankees might have more bullpen arm reinforcements coming:

    RHP Danny Burawa: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 WP, 1/1 GB/FB — 20 of 30 pitches were strikes … 8/1 K/BB in four innings

    RHP Mark Montgomery: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 23 of 38 pitches were strikes (61%)
    ———————————————————————

    Very nice. Either 1 of those 2 guys sticking in the MLB pen could help put this team over the top. System seems off to a pretty nice start overall… Williams stringing some hits together and Jagiello hitting for power. Really excited about Avelino. Just wish he was 2-3 years more into his development.

    ******

    O’Brien went boom-boom tonight as well. Third round-tripper :)

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    I think the statements we make are a reflection of how we live our lives.

    I sleep well at night. (And I’m sure those who abide cheating do also! Or they wouldn’t abide it!)

    :)

    Nighty night for real.

  141. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:12 pm
    mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
    please define cheating
    —-
    There is regular cheating and then there is stupid cheating.

    Regular cheating for example would be for me to have BigDan22 or Trisha take the LSATs for me.

    Stupid cheating would be to have Bartolo Colon take the LSATs for me.

    ******

    Logic games section was initially the hardest section for me. Practice on old tests – you will get the hang of it.

  142. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Besides on a cold night a drying substance on the ball protects the hitter from getting hit with an otherwise errant pitch.
    I don’t think it works like a spitter which makes the ball act funny.

  143. yankeefeminista April 10th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    I was at the game, so had no clue about the pine tar concern. Did the Red Sox team complain to the umps? Still in the car on the way home and heard Farrel on postgame say Pineda’s hand was clean. Can someone fill me in? Thanks.

    Also more baseball and less religion on the blog, please.

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Boji – you are funny!

    :)

  145. BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    My contemporaneous notes.
    ============
    You take notes?!?!?

  146. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    There will never be “purity” in MLB (or any other sport for that matter).

    The more strict the rules are the better the players get at concealing it.

    Kind of like inmates at a prison. They have nothing but time to figure out smarter and ingenious ways to break the rules.

  147. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:18 pm

    YF – I must have missed the discussion about religion…

    NESN showed a close up of Pineda’s hand and it certainly looked like something was there. Then they showed it again and it was totally clean. The assumption is that someone said something and he washed it off. Pineda said it was dirt. It certainly looked like more than dirt.

  148. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    “There will never be “purity” in MLB (or any other sport for that matter).”

    You may be absolutely right. I can dream, can’t I?

    :)

  149. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
    From RAB – rut row AL, Yankees might have more bullpen arm reinforcements coming:

    RHP Danny Burawa: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 WP, 1/1 GB/FB — 20 of 30 pitches were strikes … 8/1 K/BB in four innings

    RHP Mark Montgomery: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 23 of 38 pitches were strikes (61%)

    ——

    Good news of course, but the tricky part is neither is on the 40 man.

  150. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:20 pm

    Good news of course, but the tricky part is neither is on the 40 man.

    ****

    Very true, but there is always a chance the Great Gatsby inspired character, Sir Preston Claiborne, might find a new home and open a spot

  151. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:17 pm
    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    My contemporaneous notes.
    ============
    You take notes?!?!?

    ——

    Yes. Old school habit. Helps my memory. I take notes during depos and I can often recite verbatim what a witness said on page 325 of the transcript without even reading it.

  152. yankeefeminista April 10th, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    So NESN complained, but the Sox didnt?

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    “Trisha, in your comparison scenario, the bosses dont know that the employees are leaving early, because “nobody’s watching,” so the comparison isn’t equal. If Bud Selig, owners, managers are all okay with it, is it cheating?”

    Good question and I’ll give you a real life example. Someone I know from my old job said that he and others were being called in for potential discipline because their boss was letting them work hours different from their scheduled hours yet signing their time sheets that stated they were working the hours they were scheduled to work. So they called it forging their time sheets – and the boss who signed the time sheets was in bigger trouble. The guys got something like 3 days suspension, and the boss got canned.

    Rules am rules.

  154. PhiltheThrill April 10th, 2014 at 11:22 pm

    Pineda and Tanaka are just 25… Huge shift in the right direction. Need Nova to snap out of it.

  155. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    Need Nova to snap out of it.

    *****

    He will. May not happen against the Sox this weekend, but he will get on a roll.

  156. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:23 pm

    NESN played the role of bad cop while Farrell feigned ignorance in defense of Buccholz and Papi.

  157. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    Look – if Remy and NESN are complaining and pouting – it’s a good night for the Yankees. That did not happen that much last year.

  158. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    I think the statements we make are a reflection of how we live our lives.

    I sleep well at night. (And I’m sure those who abide cheating do also! Or they wouldn’t abide it!)

    —–

    Not sure how you don’t understand why people find that comment insulting.

    Real life and baseball are apples and hand grenades.

  159. sammiejohnson April 10th, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    “So NESN complained, but the Sox didnt?”

    YF, that’s about the size of it. Oh, and the twitterverse was lit up also. Much adoo about nothing.

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    “So NESN complained, but the Sox didnt?”

    Farrell said that by the time he was told about it, Pineda’s hands were clean. You may have read that Ortiz said that it’s no big deal because everybody does it. And of course Joel Sherman and company made a huge deal about it and tried to paint Girardi into the corner with their questions about it. I think what you’re seeing is a conspiracy of silence, meaning that the guys are probably right when they say that certain things are accepted in the game, even if they are called no nos in the rule book. I harken back to Kenny Rogers game, in the postseason, with Torre never saying boo, and then LaRussa not saying boo when Detroit played them. Probably a wink wink thing.

    Pineda said it was dirt. It looked like pine tar. I imagine we’re going to read about it for at least the next day or so.

  161. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    Hankflorida April 10th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
    May I repeat what Cone said about Phelps about his pitches on the corner of the plate and point to Napoli’s at bat as an example of how good Phelps can be if the umpire has a wide strike zone. Phelps demeanor reminds me of Mussina even if his stuff is not on the same level, and I still see him as a starter or in long relief then an 8th inning guy in a tight game where not getting the calls can be more disastrous to a team when he is not getting the calls.

    ——-

    Good point. There were two consecutive games that Phelps pitched in ST that evidenced this point. In one, Phelps got rocked and in the other he cruised through the lineup (I believe it was the Sox). His pitches were the same in both games but the umpire strike calls were very different.

    I too see Phelps has a starter. I prefer relief pitchers to have SO stuff, especially if they are pitching the late innings. But if you are going to use Phelps as a starter, it’s better to use him like he was used tonight, for multiple innings. That way he gets a rhythm going. And so does the home plate ump.

  162. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    It’s still very early but right now I’m not very impressed with any of the teams in the AL East.

  163. BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
    they rub mud, which is dirt, as pineda said on their balls.

    I hope they shower afterwards.

  164. Revenge of Stoneburner April 10th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    The real question is not whether Pineda used pine tar, but did he use enough??? Next time I just want him to bring bottle/jar out with him on the mound with him and add as needed.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    “Not sure how you don’t understand why people find that comment insulting.

    Real life and baseball are apples and hand grenades.”

    I accept that observation and should have chosen my words more carefully. And I have to respect the fact that others may see it the same way you do. At the same time, I should get the same respect and understanding for being bothered by it. You don’t have to agree but you should at least try to understand my perspective.

  166. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    I see Tanaka dominating this lineup. Kuroda can too. Hope the Yanks can get six runs tomorrow. Solarte needs to finally hit one out.

  167. yankeefeminista April 10th, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    You don’t need Montgomery and Burawa right now anyway, just pitch Betances and Greene until Drob’s back.

    Trisha I haven’t read what Ortiz said I’m in the car going home from the Brinx, but I wouldn’t be surprised; they consider certain behaviors a part of the game inside the game and likely not “cheating.”

  168. yankeefeminista April 10th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    *bronx

  169. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Brinks

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    “Obviously that boss answered to someone and wasn’t the head of the company”

    Yes. I guess once it became public they had no choice but to take severe action against the boss, because he was the one who suggested to them that it was okay, and also the one signing time cards that he knew to be incorrect. So he’s gone – or as they say, he took quick early retirement.

    :)

  171. bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    I’m not really following this pine tar thing but don’t these things happen every once and awhile in baseball and just disappear without any conclusion?

  172. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    I also don’t understand how people with so much hatred towards the Red Sox can spend so much time focusing on everything they do including watching the NESN post-game coverage or read their blogs.

  173. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Know thy Enemy..

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    YF – when you get home you’re going to be able to read all of that stuff on the forum.

    However, can you imagine Ortiz having the audacity to say otherwise? :lol:

    Did the Stadium fill up more as time went on?

  175. Yankee Trader April 10th, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
    they rub mud, which is dirt, as pineda said on their balls.
    ——-

    LOL. Will someone tell me how that helps? :)

    With that, I’m off to sleep.

  176. BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 11:21 pm
    BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:17 pm
    bigdan22 April 10th, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    My contemporaneous notes.
    ============
    You take notes?!?!?

    ——

    Yes. Old school habit. Helps my memory. I take notes during depos and I can often recite verbatim what a witness said on page 325 of the transcript without even reading it.
    ===
    Wow. i wish I could remember what I had for lunch yesterday.

  177. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Wow. i wish I could remember what I had for lunch yesterday.
    ==================
    take notes

  178. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    “I also don’t understand how people with so much hatred towards the Red Sox can spend so much time focusing on everything they do including watching the NESN post-game coverage or read their blogs.”

    They live in my back yard for God sake. Is that so difficult to understand? I have to watch the Yankee games on NESN, and when they lose to the Yankees, I absolutely will watch their post games and enjoy it.

    And as mick said, making it real simple, know they enemy.

  179. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    I absolutely will watch their post games and enjoy it.
    =================
    you just like to see them suffer

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 10th, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    “I’m not really following this pine tar thing but don’t these things happen every once and awhile in baseball and just disappear without any conclusion?”

    Well let me put it this way. This better go that way – and I’m thinking it will – because when the same thing happened last year with Bucholz, it was always extremely public, but MLB never said boo.

  181. mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    so anyway since 2002 we now have 1 more win over boston in head to head games inc. post season

    good night.

  182. BoJo April 10th, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:34 pm
    Wow. i wish I could remember what I had for lunch yesterday.
    ==================
    take notes

    Let me write that down.

  183. sammiejohnson April 10th, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    mick April 10th, 2014 at 11:34 pm

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    “you just like to see them suffer”

    I guess mick. It’s hard to put into words. I know I got pilloried on the forum for wishing Johann Santana well when he got a no hitter for the Mets. It was like I had killed somebody’s first born – and I was accused of not being a Yankee fan. So people who live closer to Queens than I do, some of them anyway, have a fierce rivalry involving the Mets. And they’re not even in the AL. So please explain to me why ANBODY would fail to understand why I, who live next door to the Sux – and the Sux being our greatest rival – would not be all over them like a cheap suit, seeing that I am in the heart of Sux territory and live with those yo yos daily! I have no trouble understanding the Y’s-Met’s rivalry, yet someone questions my passion against the Sux, especially based on where I live? Be real!

  186. Giuseppe Franco April 10th, 2014 at 11:45 pm

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    Usually when someone wants to “keep their enemies closer” it’s for strategic or tactical purposes to gain some kind of advantage.

    Since we’re all just fans and don’t have any kind of relationship with people of influence in either organization, I hardly see the point to it other than to fuel a strange obsession.

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    Strange obsession? :lol:

    I can see you don’t get out much. I can also see it’s pointless to try to explain things to you or to answer in a civil manner because you’ve already decided that your word is gold.

    And since you’re the only one who seems to think it’s a strange obsession, I suggest that you’re the one out of step in the parade.

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