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Postgame notes: “I don’t use pine tar. It’s dirt.”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 10, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Michael Pineda

Joe Girardi was defiant, Michael Pineda was casual, and the Red Sox were apparently indifferent.

There was very clearly something on Pineda’s hand tonight, but what it was and whether it made any sort of difference — or whether it’s simply an unspoken but accepted part of the game — we might never know. What we know for certain is that Pineda was terrific in his first career start at Yankee Stadium. He waited two years for this, and he delivered in a big way.

“He throws like this and he’s going to be tough to beat, I don’t care what team he’s throwing against,” Derek Jeter said. “He just has a lot of confidence, and it starts with his health. Evidently he’s feeling good, and he worked hard at it. He worked extremely hard at it. I’m happy for him.”

Michael PinedaThe gunk on Pineda’s hand was spotted by Boston’s NESN broadcast around the third inning. At some point, his palm was clean. As you can see in the picture above, the stuff was definitely there. It looked like pine tar.

“I don’t use pine tar,” Pineda said. “It’s dirt. I’m sweating on my hand too much in between innings. … I usually put the dirt between innings when my hand gets sweaty.”

Maybe that’s true. Pineda certainly seemed completely unbothered by the questions about the substance. Girardi was asked about it several times, often quite pointedly, and he kept saying he had no idea what it was.

“I never saw it,” Girardi said. “There’s nothing really for me to talk about.”

Speaking to a pool reporter, crew chief Brian O’Nora said the umpires were never asked to investigate.

“I can’t comment on it because we’re on the field and the Red Sox didn’t bring it to our attention, so there’s nothing we can do about it,” O’Nora said. “If they bring it to our attention, then you’ve got to do something, but they didn’t bring it to our attention.”

So Pineda pitched on, through four hitless innings and through six scoreless innings. He finally allowed a solo home run and then a single in the seventh, at which point he was pulled from the game, but not before he’d made an emphatic statement while pitching at Yankee Stadium for the first time. Two years ago, the Yankees gave up their most valuable trade chip to get this guy, and for at least one night he showed why they believed he was worth such an investment.

“I’m so happy tonight,” Pineda said. “My first win at Yankee Stadium, my first time pitching at Yankee Stadium. I’m very, very excited tonight. … I heard the fans. The fans were happy tonight, so I’m happy, too.”

David Phelps· Every other pitching performance was pretty easily overshadowed, but David Phelps was outstanding tonight. After coughing up three home runs in his first two outings, Phelps got a big out in his previous outing, then retired all seven batters he faced tonight. The bullpen was thin, and Phelps shouldered the load. “I know what I’m capable of, and those first two outings isn’t showing what I can do,” Phelps said. “To come out in a big situation like that, pitch like I know that I can, is really big for me.”

· Although Phelps said he was never told that he would be in the game for the final seven outs, he looked at the lineup and realized he had a chance as long as he pitched well. This was his first save. “I knew I had a chance to (finish it),” Phelps said. “I looked at the lineup and saw who was coming up. I knew I was going to be facing some righties, and I just figured as long as I was keeping guys off base, they were going to let me go. … Every time I came in they were like, ‘You still feel good?’ I was like, ‘Yeah.’ They were like, ‘You still got it.’ I wanted to finish it.”

· Phelps worked as a starter in the minors, so he never had a save there. Maybe he had some sort of save situation in college, but this was definitely his first save as a pro.

· Speaking of firsts, this was Pineda’s first big league win since July 30, 2011 against Tampa Bay.

· Don’t completely overlook the other Yankees pitcher tonight. Called up specifically to help the Yankees against lefties this week, Cesar Cabral faced A.J. Pierzynski and Jackie Bradley Jr. in the seventh — not exactly Ortiz and Sizemore, but still — and struck out each of them. The Yankees had three relievers who weren’t available tonight (Kelley, Warren and Nuno) but Cabral and Phelps let them get through the game without even using their top lefty. That’s pretty huge on a night when the pen needed it.

Dean Anna, Derek Jeter· Biggest hit of the night was probably Brian McCann’s RBI single in fourth inning. It was a scoreless game at the time, with both Pineda and Clay Buchholz pitching well, but McCann snapped an 0-for-14 to drive in a go-ahead run. “It felt great,” McCann said. “I’ve been feeling good at the plate, just haven’t had the results that I’m looking for, but at the same time just keeping my same approach and they’ll start falling.”

· Maybe not the most important hit, but definitely the feel-good hit was Dean Anna’s solo homer in the fifth inning. It was his first Yankee Stadium hit and his first big-league homer. “It’s kind of like, ‘Am I really running around these bases right now?’” Anna said. “It was a great feeling.”

· Jeter went 2-for-4 with a hard-hit double over Daniel Nava’s head in right field. He’s now hitting .290 this season.

· Facing his former team for the first time, Jacoby Ellsbury had an RBI single that scored Jeter and gave the Yankees their final run of the night. The hit came against his former minor league roommate Buchholz.

· Girardi acknowledged after the game that the Yankees will probably shift more this season than they have previously. “It’s something that our data has shown that we’ll incorporate more shifts this year than we have in the past,” he said. “We’ve probably shifted more than people realized against left-handers but I think you’ll see a few more against right-handers, which is the difference.”

· Pulling Pineda after 94 pitches because of his workload or fatigue? “There’s probably both,” Girardi said. “I thought there were some signs of fatigue. I thought he started to get up in the zone and they started to center some balls. That’s why his pitch count was getting up there with the injury that he’s coming off. It was really a combination of both.”

· Final word goes to Jeter: “You try to win every time out. That’s not always the case, but it’s always good to win the first game. But it’s a long series, four games, and we just want to continue to play well. It starts with our pitching staff, and another great outing Pineda, and Phelps came in and close the game out, so our pitching staff deserves all the credit tonight.”

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86 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I don’t use pine tar. It’s dirt.””

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 11th, 2014 at 12:11 am

    It was a great game all around! Thanks for the great coverage, Chad.

    :)

    Night all.

  2. Tar April 11th, 2014 at 12:11 am

    “I can’t comment on it because we’re on the field and the Red Sox didn’t bring it to our attention, so there’s nothing we can do about it,” O’Nora said. “If they bring it to our attention, then you’ve got to do something, but they didn’t bring it to our attention.”

    I doubt that is what the rules say. Nobody should have to bring it to their attention.

    But what he is really saying is that is how the unwritten rules work. Don’t complain about it and they won’t enforce it. Nobody complains about it…. because everyone has pitchers using it. It’s not complicated and has worked that way ever since I can remember.

    In other news I thought Anna’s HR was cool. Put a smile on my face.

    good night all

  3. SweetSpot April 11th, 2014 at 12:20 am

    Seeing Cashman and the Yankee development people and talent evaluators get slammed on a daily basis is a bit unfair in my opinion. They have missed some but props for the good moves that they have made to bring these guys to the forty-man. Betances, Cabral, Phelps, Warren, Green, Pineda, Thornton, Nuno, Sanchez, Murphy, Anna and Solarte . . . and others. That’s not too shabby.

  4. bbb51 April 11th, 2014 at 1:01 am

    Haha, that ain’t dirt.

    But lots of pitchers use stuff to grip the ball. As far as I’m concerned, if hitters can use pine tar to grip the bat, pitchers can use it to grip the ball.

  5. pete2 April 11th, 2014 at 1:22 am

    Pineda had the same stuff on his hand in Toronto. It was being discussed the past few days on at least one of the Red Sox blogs when someone posted a picture. I thought it was a doctored photo since there was no link but NESN apparently checked it out for themselves with their cameras.

    No big deal unless someone thinks the gunk has something to do with movement on his pitches. But of other teams are not going to challenge it, and its only a warning offense, I would think all pitchers would be doing it, and maybe they are.

    Pitchers can use Rosin for a grip, that’s what the rosin bag is for.

  6. bbb51 April 11th, 2014 at 1:34 am

    I’ve used a rosin bag, they aren’t that good.

  7. pete2 April 11th, 2014 at 1:40 am

    I guess that’s why pitchers are using other stuff. MLB balls are too slick for most pitchers, especially if the umps don’t rub them down enough

  8. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2014 at 1:48 am

    blake April 10th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
    Wonder what Pineda’s average velo was tonight…..I don’t know what the YES gun had him at but the mlbnetwork one had a lot of 93s and 94s early but after the 5th mostly 91s and an occasional 92…..lot of pitches that looked like cutters too that were about 90
    ____
    FB average was 92.8, which I think included his cutter. However, although he was throwing his four-seamer with more velo (93, 94) than his cutter (90) in the first few innings, later his cutter was the pitch hitting 93′s and his four-seamer was sitting around 90. But he actually throws his cutter with slightly more average speed than his four-seamer generally, and also did so in 2011 if you believe fangraphs’ pitchfx.

  9. Jerkface April 11th, 2014 at 1:50 am

    Yea thats because its not actually a cutter. Its just his normal fastball with movement on it. It gets classified as a cutter thanks to the movement.

  10. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2014 at 2:09 am

    It has cutter movement is the point. So it can’t be categorized as a 4-seamer.

  11. pete2 April 11th, 2014 at 2:11 am

    Brooksbaseball had him topping out at 96.9 (avg 92.8) and the velocity does include what MLB gameday was calling cutters. I did not see anything on gameday above 95 so maybe gameday, which uses unadjusted data is on the low side?

    Do YES and NESN just pick up the velocity from the raw pitch f/x system which is what I presume mlb gameday uses or do they measure their own?

  12. yankeefeminista April 11th, 2014 at 2:20 am

    I recall he touched 96 once. Not sure but gameday and the Stadium pitch speed had the same velo.

  13. UnKnown April 11th, 2014 at 2:38 am

    Well if Pineda says “it’s dirt” then it must be right? :roll:

    I mean because what players say is always true and they would never um, like, lie. :roll:

    Obvious statement here, but I couldn’t care less if Pineda was “cheating” or not. In fact I hope he was, because yes, there is cheating in baseball and is done by over 95% of all players. Sorry that is just FACT.

    Great Yankee win. Huge Yankee win. Let’s take two more and win the series.

  14. yankinvegas April 11th, 2014 at 2:44 am

    Pineda and Tanaka are really going to be fun to watch this summer.
    The pitching staff is really strong and really deep. Phelps and Warren are quality big league arms. When will Bill Madden mention them as pitchers the Yankees developed? My guess is never. But I’m sure that he will hammer ARod about something real soon.

  15. pete2 April 11th, 2014 at 3:33 am

    yankeefeminista April 11th, 2014 at 2:20 am

    I recall he touched 96 once. Not sure but gameday and the Stadium pitch speed had the same velo.
    ==========

    Maybe I missed that, but I would think 96.9 would read as 97

  16. tomingeorgia April 11th, 2014 at 5:36 am

    Three days more of feeding and housing Masters patrons, and I’m done.

  17. Poetkiosk April 11th, 2014 at 5:46 am

    Just reading the other thread, BigDan22 needs a hug. He was so down on the Yankees after a great win. What is he like when they lose? (oh I think he goes into I told you so mode). Lighten up man.

  18. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2014 at 6:39 am

    Seeing Cashman and the Yankee development people and talent evaluators get slammed on a daily basis is a bit unfair in my opinion. They have missed some but props for the good moves that they have made to bring these guys to the forty-man. Betances, Cabral, Phelps, Warren, Green, Pineda, Thornton, Nuno, Sanchez, Murphy, Anna and Solarte . . . and others. That’s not too shabby.

    ——————————————

    So you are saying they are good talent evaluators?

  19. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 6:41 am

    Patrons can get to you, but good to have the business. I never could stand to tv watch golf, but did enjoy playing. Started about 13. There was a public course where it was $4 after 4 pm – perfect for me, making the sport nicely accessible. I got dropped off and had no problem going it alone. Often groups would pick me up, leading to fun meetings. I had a mismatch of clubs, and remember a Gary Player 3 wood in red tones. I had one of those electric putter returns that I used to wear out the hallway carpet with. Great to learn to play sports while not being dependant on another’s time frame. Playing catch against a brick wall built up a lot of eye hand coordination while cycling mastered the cardio. Got to get these kids today self involved at moments imo. We all have to figure how to create filled time here and there.

  20. blake April 11th, 2014 at 6:52 am

    I don’t see what the big deal is…..some of Pineda’s awesomeness leaked out on his hand

  21. Mottsx April 11th, 2014 at 6:57 am

    Must have dropped from bucholtz hair onto pinedas dirt when he picked it up between innings.

  22. blake April 11th, 2014 at 6:57 am

    The biggest story regarding Pineda was his CU……that pitch was the big question with him 2 years ago before he got hurt……everyone wanted to know if he could develop one……well last night he had one and it was a weapon…..I mean a really good pitch vs LHP.

    Id still like a little more velocity choked off it but hitters don’t seem to be hitting it because it moves a ton…..bowling ball sinker action down and away from lefties…..a real power change.

    The cool thing about Pineda is that he really pounds the strike zone…..I wouldn’t say he has plus plus command yet…..but he has really good control and he has pretty good command of both his fastball and slider. He really seems to know where his pitches are going……

    Impressive performance for his first YS start and first start against Boston……couldn’t have asked for much better

  23. blake April 11th, 2014 at 7:01 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: Dustin Pedroia on Pineda: http://t.co/xH3fw5PC9l

    Id take pedy on my team any day

  24. MTU April 11th, 2014 at 7:02 am

    Good morning.

    IMO that was not dirt on Pineda’s hand.

    If he wants to “use” something he’d better be a lot less obvious about it.

    That said, if the Sux do not seem to care I guess I shouldn’t either.

    After all there’s Buttholz and his “wet” hair.

    ;)

  25. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:04 am

    What one get get away with in sports. In ’78, Mario Andretti raced and won for Chapman’s F1 team. Chapman smartly invented ( and hid from competitors ) an up and down skirting on the car that would help trap air creating suction downforce. Not illegal really, because no one had come up with it. Colin Chapman pushed the sport including rear mounted engines making Ferrari temporarily obsolete in the early sixties. In NASCAR, one competitor wore a lead helmet at weigh ins so the car would pass.

  26. Mottsx April 11th, 2014 at 7:05 am

    Pineda is brown it coulda been dirt. Sounds racist to me to call it anything else or even question it. ;)

  27. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:12 am

    ” Some of Peneda’s awesomeness leaked out of his hands ” LMAO, I can’t recall the last time I laughed out loud in the morning. Thanks, blake! That one should be up for bloody sale!!! :D

  28. MTU April 11th, 2014 at 7:17 am

    Let’s CC and Nova back on track and we’ll be all set.

    ;)

  29. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:18 am

    If I were catcher, nobody would be spitting on my balls ( I’m a germaphobe that way ).

  30. MTU April 11th, 2014 at 7:18 am

    ed: Let’s get. sorry.

  31. Mike Ri April 11th, 2014 at 7:19 am

    Nice game Michael PINEda !!! CC your turn !! lets go !!

  32. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2014 at 7:21 am

    Certainly would be nice to have Tanaka pitching against the Sox

  33. MTU April 11th, 2014 at 7:22 am

    Looks like Pat M. deserves some credit here.

    He said Pineda would rise to the top of the food chain.

    He might just be right.

    ;)

  34. Yankee Trader April 11th, 2014 at 7:22 am

    Good morning. I’m still laughing Mick.

    mick April 10th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
    they rub mud, which is dirt, as pineda said on their balls.
    ———————

    LOL. Will someone tell me how that helps?

    And Girardi knows nothing? :)

  35. MTU April 11th, 2014 at 7:27 am

    When a pitcher turns in a performance like that against the Sux he becomes an instant fan
    favorite.

    I remember when Chamberlain pitched that great game in Boston.

    He lived off of that for quite some time.

  36. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:29 am

    Wake up calls sleep deprivation the Russian way is another nice trick. Toss in bad food, and the odd corrupt ref. One has to ride on through the nuance. Rock and roll.

  37. pat April 11th, 2014 at 7:30 am

    The tap dance that Girardi did in the postgame was uncomfortable to watch. Girardi should have just said it was pinetar since it’s generally accepted in MLB.

  38. Yankee Trader April 11th, 2014 at 7:33 am

    How does pine tar help a pitcher?

    “Pitchers sweat and their hands grow moist. No amount of wiping and resin is going to eliminate the underlying moisture that might compromise their grip on the ball. Pine tar is an inherently sticky substance that batters use to reinforce their grip on the bat, but it works for pitchers as well. The problem for pitchers is that it’s illegal.

    Arm speed creates velocity, but the seams on the ball are where a pitcher makes the ball move. The more secure a pitcher’s fingers are on the seams, the greater rotation he’s going to get when he releases the ball. Because of this the movement is increased.

    The seams are what’s responsible for the rise in a rising fastball; the cut in a cutter; the slide in a slider; and the break in a curveball. If a pitcher doesn’t have the seams, no amount of arm/wrist break is going to give him the movement he’ll get from the seams.

    Pine tar increases the adhesion of finger to ball and with that, the spin.”

    http://paullebowitz.wordpress......a-pitcher/

  39. MTU April 11th, 2014 at 7:36 am

    I’m on special assignment these days so I’ve got to run real soon.

    See you all around when I can.

    :)

  40. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:38 am

    YT, I’m going to try and remember all that for my next turn, thanks!

  41. jmv April 11th, 2014 at 7:38 am

    Good morning!

    I was thinking of the CU… Nasty pitch. Maybe it’s a little too fast, but it makes it almost of the same speed than the slider. So the batters don’t know which one is coming… Unless they note the famous red dot of the slider

  42. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:44 am

    MTU, u hanging out avec agent 99?

  43. Poetkiosk April 11th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    Morning all

    Here’s hoping for CC to pitch like he has something to prove tonight – which he does. The blogosophere has pretty much declared him washed up. He’s got to have a chip on his shoulder tonight.

  44. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:45 am

    jmv, unusual sighting of you. Have to head to the Ferrari soon :)

  45. Yankee Trader April 11th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    I was excited about the “Return of Pineda,” until this issue with pine tar, otherwise known as “dirt!”

    Media putting this tiny shred of doubt in Pineda’s head?

    It certainly makes me wonder now, if Pineda is back, and further concern, documented by Big Dan last night was the diminished, significant drop in velocity the last few innings?

    What was that? Shoulder fatigue?

    Give me a “clean” dominant, consistent, good,velocity fastball, and pitches with movement, in his next start and I’ll be relieved. I’m sure Pineda will be relieved too, and more confident that he’s going to be OK.

  46. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    jmv, Senna wouldn’t cheat, he’d just push you off the course. Jackie Stewart tried to pin him down, and there was Ayrton lying through his teeth. A paradox he was, and of course deeply religious.

  47. Hassey April 11th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    Pineda’s hand
    Buchholz’ hair
    Cone’s belt buckle
    Perry’s body dipped in a vat of butter
    It’s been going on since man first drew in caves
    Non issue
    As far as I’m concerned he leveled the playing field last night

  48. Triple Short of a Cycle April 11th, 2014 at 7:52 am

    Looks like Pat M. deserves some credit here.

    He said Pineda would rise to the top of the food chain.

    He might just be right.

    —————————

    He also said Tanaka would be a number 3

  49. pat April 11th, 2014 at 7:54 am

    How does pine tar help a pitcher?

    Gives him better control of the baseball which leads to better location and movement which leads to more Ks less BB and hits which lead to less runs which lead to more wins. It affects the record books. And what about the children.

  50. Poetkiosk April 11th, 2014 at 7:55 am

    So much hype around this pine tar incident.

  51. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 7:58 am

    Didn’t Whitey Ford have a copious supply of pre prepared balls, about which one of their younger players made a comment, only to leave Mantle and the rest in stitches?

  52. Yankee Trader April 11th, 2014 at 8:01 am

    From NJ.com

    TODAY IN YANKEES HISTORY, according to Yankees PR:

    April 11, 1912: The Yankees debut their pinstripes for the first time in franchise history in a 5-3 loss vs. Red Sox. New York would abandon the look in the following two seasons, but they came back in 1915.

    It’s Mark Teixeira’s 34th birthday.

  53. Benny Blanco April 11th, 2014 at 8:02 am

    I’m a huge cc supporter but let’s get real;cc does NOT pitch well against the redsox. they own him.

  54. Poetkiosk April 11th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Kind of funny/sad that Bucholz doesn’t get the same scrutiny..

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....tt-harvey/

    Buchholz’s left forearm glistens this year with some kind of substance that is not rosin or perspiration. As the righthander admitted, he does keep water on his uniform and in his hair and does pat the rosin bag on his left forearm — all apparently legal. But rosin is white and has a matte finish. Something wet and mostly clear glistens from Buchholz’s left wrist to his elbow, the moisture of which darkens the edge of his left undershirt sleeve.
    • This is not perspiration on his left forearm. His right forearm is dry. There is no darkening on the edge of his right undershirt sleeve.
    • He regularly rakes his right index and middle fingers across his left forearm, being careful to keep his other fingers raised.
    • Buchholz’s two-seam fastball (thrown with the index and middle fingers on the seams) is much improved with more movement this year; I wrote about this key improvement in his game weeks ago.

  55. Cashmoney April 11th, 2014 at 8:06 am

    How does pine tar help a pitcher?

    Gives him better control of the baseball which leads to better location and movement which leads to more Ks less BB and hits which lead to less runs which lead to more wins. It affects the record books. And what about the children.
    ———
    similar thoughts race across my mind as i read with dismay… Trish. Alas, the moral compass has been utterly shattered with Pinata’s cheating ways.

  56. Hassey April 11th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    I was kinda hoping that Papis double carried into thecstands so McCann good give him the business about standing there like a Lane Bryant model

  57. Tar April 11th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    “Gives him better control of the baseball which leads to better location and movement which leads to more Ks less BB and hits which lead to less runs which lead to more wins. ”

    Better control also = less hit batters, which means its a win win situation. Everyone is happy…. (except Trish who must maintain her standards.).

    Nobody wants a pitcher to lose his grip on a ball while throwing over 90mph. Hence Pine Tar is accepted and excepted from the no foreign substance rule.

  58. pkyankfan69 April 11th, 2014 at 8:08 am

    As long as Pineda gets away with it and pitches like he did last night I couldn’t care less what’s on his hand. Pine tar? Cool… Pig blood? OK… Horse smegma? Works for me.

    Go Pineda!

  59. Hassey April 11th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    I draw the line at horse smegma…nobody wants to be the kid to catch that foul ball

  60. jmills April 11th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Time to get the horse, cow or sheep poop and spread it around. Always gets a nice rise out of the neighbours. Makes me double over.

  61. Doreen April 11th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    pat-

    Yes. What about the children?!?!?!?!?

    I am more comfortable with the “everyone does it” defense than the “all pine tar does us give you a better grip” defense. An added benefit might be fewer batters getting hit, but the main idea is so pitchers have better control of the ball in general, resulting in, as pat said, more effective pitches and more strikes.

  62. Cashmoney April 11th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    Tar, in the grand scheme of things, we must maintain our moral high ground in lieu of deriving ephemeral pleasures of winning a single game against our arch rival. One can only contemplate the moral degradations that invariably incurred on millions of impressionable minds across the world with singular yet power message of that cheating pays that was demonstrated loud and clear by Pinata.

  63. Hassey April 11th, 2014 at 8:18 am

    With Pineda’s trade value at its high right now, do we offer him and his bionic shoulder to the O’s for Machado and his bionic knee?

  64. Doreen April 11th, 2014 at 8:20 am

    I also hate controversy. And don’t like when the Yankees are in the center of it. They are more closely scrutinized and more harshly criticized than other teams.

  65. Cashmoney April 11th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Ladies and Gents, I implore you to think a little deeper and wont so easily discard this despicable incident as “everyone does it”… For we, the Men of the West are that of the last bastion that preserve what is wholesome and good against the ever advancing corrupting influences of cheaters in this world.

    Go Yankees! Go Humanities!

  66. Hassey April 11th, 2014 at 8:26 am

    I like the Yankees new win at all costs attitude

  67. Madrugador April 11th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    Did not know we were playing the team from Mordor next week.

  68. pat April 11th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Doreen

    I love controversy. It usually highlights hypocrisy.

  69. Cashmoney April 11th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    I demand an immediate demotion or trade of Pinata.

  70. Hassey April 11th, 2014 at 8:32 am

    And lunacy
    It’s only baseball
    This whole question is about as controversial as cutting holes in the bottom of your sack during the potato sack race at the daddy daughter picnic

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Our own Dominican Kenny Rogers – neat!

    Hey – does this mean Alex gets to come back and all is forgiven? The offense could sure use the help!

  72. Cashmoney April 11th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    cutting holes in the bottom of your sack
    ======
    yet another act of utter chicanery and deceit!

    anyway kids, as I have other endeavors in saving this wretched world in getting a tad more darker..I bid you a good morning and good day.

    Go Yankees!

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    I find it amusing that the Red Sox didnt comPlain – how could they under
    The circumstances? -
    But conveniently their broadcast team was
    Abuzz about Pineda’s cheating ways. Would there have been a peep if Pineda had gotten pounded? Doubtful.

  74. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Meh, I was watching all of the post game last night and kinda just shrugged. I don’t think it’s the last time Pineda will be using pine tar but I do think he’ll hide it better, which is sort of the unwritten rules of MLB. It’s not really ‘don’t cheat’ it’s just ‘don’t get caught’.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    And as odious as I find the constant harping here on Buccholz own cheating – like when we are not even facing him or the Red Sox – it certainly seems true that no one seems to care that he,
    Ahem,
    compromises the baseball
    But we will probably hear now about Pineda’s corruption until doomsday. Reminds me of Jobas fist pumping being bush and childish while Papelbon was
    Just a great
    Competitor
    Who “shows
    Emotion on the mound.”

  76. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2014 at 8:56 am

    This whole question is about as controversial as cutting holes in the bottom of your sack during the potato sack race at the daddy daughter picnic

    —————–

    LOL!! Perfect comparison.

  77. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    Bucky got some attention for it but when it was clear it wasn’t deterring him it kinda went away lol.. sorta the opposite of what you’d expect but I think we’ll see the same from Pineda.

  78. austinmac April 11th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    They were blasting the whole media driven story on mlb radio this morning. The Red Sox didn’t complain. As Soriano said, batters don’t want the ball slipping out of pitchers hands.

    Great win. Let’s not let this silly story reduce the joy of it. Now, let’s win two out of the next three. Tonight’s game(if not rained out) will be a tough one with CC vs. Lester.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we had a healthy Pineda and an effective Tanaka going forward?

  79. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2014 at 9:01 am

    Really hoping they get the game in tonight.. supposed to be cold and rainy, which is just how I like my April baseball. Me and Pops will be there. I’m trying to think of all the stuff I can make him buy me……..chicken and waffles and candy oh my!

  80. austinmac April 11th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    My daughter and I could have had a long potato sack racing career if not for performance enhancing sacks. Instead, we knocked around in low level school races. It’s not fair.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    Shame, I think the most
    Attention Bucky got from it has been here. I don’t care at all about either guy using
    It – its not relevant when nearly everyone is likely cheating in some
    Fashion in the game of baseball. I just think its interesting that a young Yankee pitcher dominates a Red Sox lineup and the focus, from a
    Boston broadcast Pickup is pine tar on the ball.

  82. pat April 11th, 2014 at 9:10 am

    The Daily News I Team is all over this and is reporting that Alex gave Pineda the pinetar that he used. :wink:

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    I was at the game last night and it did sO remind me of that night I the Old Stadium when Joba dominated the Red Sox in the rain.
    While Pineda was
    Electric, and the offense was opportunistic, the Yankee offense does not look like one for the ages. If the pitching is going to matter
    This year, the offense needs serious upgrading. It’s not good enough to do anything special.

  84. Shame Spencer April 11th, 2014 at 9:12 am

    :arrow:

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock April 11th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Well, I’ve always admired Alex’s interest I helping advance the cause of our younger players :)
    In all seriousness, I guess venerable Stanford University does not recognize Alex
    Rodriguez as the Devil Incarnate. I love that he’s got a pastime that’s baseball nerd related until he comes
    Back next season :)

  86. RhapsodyInBlue April 11th, 2014 at 11:58 am

    Looking at the pictures, you’re right Shame, the pine tar isn’t on his wrist but on his palm.

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