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Yankees waiting for some offense

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 12, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Kelly Johnson, David RossThe Yankees are off to a 5-6 start. They have scored four runs or less in eight of the games and have touched the plate only 39 times total so far.

“I’m definitely surprised,” said Kelly Johnson, pictured above after going down swinging against Jon Lester in the fifth inning of the 4-2 loss to the Red Sox Friday night. “I think we all are.

“Offenses can do that, can have some ups and down. We’ll make up for that.”

Mark Teixeira is on the DL. And this offense has a lot of new parts, like Johnson. He was asked whether the newcomers may be trying too hard here at the beginning.

“I think it’s human nature,” Johnson said. “I’m not going to say yes. I’m not going to say no.”

Johnson is batting .258 with two homers and six RBI. But Brian McCann and Brian Roberts are new guys who haven’t done much yet. McCann is at .162 with no homers and three RBI. Roberts is at .148 with no homers and one RBI. Carlos Beltran is at .243  with a homer and four RBI. The Yankees have sent up just seven homers. Johnson is tied for the team lead with .216-hitting Alfonso Soriano.

“We don’t have everyone clicking at this point yet,” Joe Girardi said.

But, stating the obvious, it’s still very early.

Here are links to my three stories today on Lohud.com and in The Journal News, first off on CC Sabathia sinking last night in frustration, plus one on Michael Pineda not getting suspended and some injury updates, and then I have a Matt Thornton feature story. He received his World Series ring yesterday from Red Sox management, yet he was profoundly disappointed to have been left of their playoff roster. He’s hopes to win another this year with the Yankees. I spoke to him before last night’s game.

I’m not scheduled for the rest of this homestand, but you can follow me on Twitter at @bheyman99. Enjoy today’s game.

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138 Responses to “Yankees waiting for some offense”

  1. Yankee Trader April 12th, 2014 at 7:59 am

    5-6, scored 39 runs

    Batting .240 with runners in scoring position.

    How many of the 7 homers were solo shots?

  2. Yankee Trader April 12th, 2014 at 8:03 am

    “Yankees Waiting For Some Offense”

    I’m not advocating they sign Kendrys Morales, since the Yankees have more DH types than the rest of the AL East combined, but if they are relying on the return of Teixeira, to spark the offense, they might be disappointed.

  3. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Are the Bronx Bombers to be a thing of the past for Cashman? It’s not just chicks who dig the long ball. Yankee fans are gonna have a hard time if the team turn to playing only small ball — and that includes me. I love the HR, though I’d like to avoid the earlier versions of the Bronx Bombers (the past few years) when that’s all they could do, i.e., HR or bust.

  4. RadioKev April 12th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Well this is interesting: an article about how the A’s might look to avoid giving certain pre-arb relievers save opportunities: http://www.fangraphs.com/fanta.....d-bullpen/

  5. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    I long for the days of offense. Solarte has and likely will continue to decline to reality. Roberts has one hit since April 2d. The infield offense is abysmal. What a surprise. If the offensive answer is Teixiera, we need a new question.

  6. RadioKev April 12th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    “Roberts has one hit since April 2d.”

    But interestingly he’s been on base at least once for all but one game this season. .148 BA with a .333 OBP.

  7. RadioKev April 12th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Roberts is seeing 4.75 pitches per PA. Second best in the league.

  8. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Cashman reaffirmed yesterday they have spent all of their money. This is our team.

  9. RadioKev April 12th, 2014 at 8:20 am

    Sorry, third best in the league for Roberts. Behind Carlos Santana and Joey Votto.

    Gardner is 16th best with 4.46 pitches per PA.

  10. Mottsx April 12th, 2014 at 8:21 am

    Cashman doesn’t know how to trade I guess ?

  11. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:22 am

    Kev,

    My philosophy is walks are nice, but they do not replace actually getting a hit and driving in runs. Will Roberts hit? I don’t know. I am more confident who Solarte is or is not. I said this three days go as well so it is not because of a couple of games. Players revert to their mean. Unless, of course, they are on an age related decline..

  12. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 8:23 am

    If the offensive answer is Teixiera, we need a new question.

    :)

    I gave up on Tex a while ago. I don’t miss him; in fact, I prefer Johnson because at least I’m not constantly thinking about how fast Tex’s numbers plummeted and how many years we still have left of his injuries and whining. (He seems to whine a lot to me — to the point where I keep thinking, “Come on, buck up dude.” He needs a little more Jeter in him.)

  13. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 8:23 am

    For years, Yankees pitching was able to say, “I know if I keep it close, this team has a chance to win. ”

    Not anymore.

    It is very discouraging to be down 2 runs – TWO – with 3 or more innings left to play, and have no confidence at all that the game can be won. Or even tied.

    It’s great to have a terrific pitching staff and a good bullpen. But you need offense. You cane win if you don’t score. It is not a moral victory that they’re only losing by a run or two; it s not a moral victory that the pitching has been good enough to be 9-2 instead of 5-6.

    I know it’s early, and I certainly hope things come around, but …

  14. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    **can’t win

  15. Yankee Trader April 12th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Kev

    I believe Roberts has 7 walks.

    Scott Sizemore is batting .429, but has 10 strikeouts in 21 at bats.
    Zelous Wheeler is batting .421, with 5 strikeouts in 19 at bats, but only one walk

  16. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Mottsx,

    Trade who for what? We fans want to trade our second or third stringers for a good player. That doesn’t happen. Our check book is the only way to add as shown all winter. Hal has now hidden it.

  17. RadioKev April 12th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    Yeah, walking doesn’t replace hitting, but it’s a good base. If Roberts hits a little more, (.100 points more) then maybe we’re talking about a upper .300s OBP. If he doesn’t hit it will be tough for him to stick even with the plate discipline.

  18. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    YT,

    Wheeler is another older minor leaguer. There is a reason for that. Sizemore has never really been more than a .250 hitter with ten homer power. That is his upside.

    We need a good hitter. Neither of those guys qualifies, in my mind.

  19. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:27 am

    I need some bloody offence too, but……Dustin McGowan, 6 1/3 shutout, first V since 20008, make me happy on a Friday night!!!

    Dancing on the ceiling Lionel Ritchie, oh yeah.

  20. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 8:29 am

    It’s great to have a terrific pitching staff and a good bullpen. But you need offense. You can’t win if you don’t score.

    Unfortunately, we don’t seem to be able to get the two parts to winning (pitching + offense) working at the same time.

    We used to always be able to come back after being down the whole game. THAT was exciting and kept fans glued to their seats until the very end. Now? I start losing hope once the opposing team has scored 3 runs.

  21. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    * 2008 ( who’s counting, Keith Moon )

  22. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:30 am

    Next year, shortstop will probably be Ryan. Hardy and Hanley will probably re-sign. Asdrubal has not played well for a couple of years. Of course, there is Drew. We have needs. He sits untouched. This is not the old Yankees on many levels.

  23. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    DH Jose Ryes, forget about that concrete turf for a while.

  24. Yankee Trader April 12th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Nice to have Taiwan posting. You’re up late.

    I felt uncomfortable last night with a 1-0 lead and CC facing the order for a third time. both pitchers were helped by the home plate umpires generous strike zone. I’m just not convinced CC can be effective, without a fastball.

    Color me, hopefully, wrong!

  25. Mottsx April 12th, 2014 at 8:34 am

    Sizemore played 3 games I wouldn’t count his .429 as much.

    Trade for what ? I can’t say but I wouldn’t make statements of this is our team when it’s April 12th.

  26. Yankee Trader April 12th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Mac

    I posted those stats for Sizemore and Wheeler to show, despite their batting averages, Sizemore is striking out a lot, and Wheeler doesn’t walk. Pirela and Joseph are not hitting.

    Looking at all their stats at SWB, at the moment there is no real help offensively.

  27. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    Mac, look at the way Rich Hahn restructure the WS offense then look at the way Yanks went about it. Cashman simply does not possess a keen baseball mind. If we are content to settle with mediocrity then by all mean he will more than pass that mark.

    But the NYY needs more fresh prospective in FO, better development system and someone with a keen eye for talents.

    From the prospective of I wanting the best of best for NYY in every facets of the game, Cashman can go.

  28. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Dustin McGowan, bionic thing, love those surgeons!

  29. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:39 am

    Obviously, I wasn’t at the game, but it sure looked like a lot of empty sets for a Sox game on Friday night. A team with no offense is dull. Hal is going to learn another harsh lesson. Wait until we play the Brewers on a Tuesday night.

  30. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Dustin McGowan, is like that car you’ve been working on forever. Finally, a Sunday drive, no limits.

  31. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 8:40 am

    Hi YT!

    It’s 8:30pm here so it’s not too late, but I’m on my way out now to get some exercise. Gotta take advantage of the last few cool nights we’ll have until October.

    I love CC, but I don’t have much confidence in him ever pitching better than a No 3/4 in the future. I hope he proves me wrong. I’d love to eat crow on that particular prediction.

    May be back later, but if not, have a good one!

  32. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Mootsx,

    I am quite confident no trades will be made until the TD, if then. We have little of enough value. We will only see, in my estimation, the AAA shuffle.

  33. Yankee Trader April 12th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    I’m out also.

    Everyone have a great day.

  34. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Cashmoney — absolutely agree with you on Cashman. I’d also like a better in-game manager than Girardi.

  35. michaellord6 April 12th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    I’m always pretty optimistic. Coming into the year I thought that if everything clicked, this team had a chance to win it all. I’m not saying they have no chance to win it all; they do, but it is highly unlikely. I’m fine with the starting pitching and the bullpen has been a positive surprise but I don’t trust that it will last all year long. This team is missing a true 3/4 hitter who can hit for average and power. I don’t pretend to know a solution to this problem because I think the solution is batting 3rd for the Mariners right now. It’s unfortunate because I would trade a championship in Jeter’s last season for 3 straight years of missing the playoffs. Instead it looks like it will likely be 1 playoff appearance sprinkled in somewhere in the next 4 years with no serious shot at a title.

    I don’t know what needs to happen for this team to win it all this year. I don’t know if the front office even wants to win it all this year. What I do know is as a lifelong Yankee fan and huge Derek Jeter fan, I want to win NOW.

  36. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    I got my exercise last night, I get to be a disgrace if I want for a couple.

  37. michaellord6 April 12th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    austinmac – last night was my first game of the year in the stadium. It wasn’t as packed as it would have been in years past, but there were more people there than I had expected based on reading about how empty the place has been online for the past week.

  38. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    you have to examine Yankees rationals in adding OF help while completely ignoring the inf with question of – if that is the best way allocate you resources?

  39. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:47 am

    YT,

    Looking at Culver’s stats, he is back to not hitting. It is amazing they have no upper level infielders with any upside. That is at makes he Drew inactivity so befuddling. He can help this year and fill an enormous hole next. But, he won’t.

    For rebuttal, “Hal spent $500 M this year”. First, he obligated the team to spend it over the next several years. What he did was cut payroll by $25M while virtually every other team was upping theirs.

  40. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:50 am

    Michael,

    Good info. Thanks.

  41. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 8:52 am

    The Yankees are not saying “Let’s win one for Derek” as they didn’t for Mo. They are checkbook oriented as Hal has told us. No sentiment allowed unless it will bring fans on some Derek bobble head day or some such thing.

  42. pat April 12th, 2014 at 8:53 am

    It is very discouraging to be down 2 runs – TWO – with 3 or more innings left to play, and have no confidence at all that the game can be won. Or even tied.

    Doreen

    My kids were saying during the game last night there always was a player that they felt if they could just be up, they could tie it or win it with 1 swing. They don’t feel that player has made themselves known on the team this year.

    They’ve been Yankee fans during a time when offense was more dominant than pitching so they are having a hard time connecting with this team.

  43. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Welcome back Wang. I might be wrong in this, but the draconian ways in which NYY continue to operates under Cashman is extremely disheartening. If you look at the off season additions it’s plain as day Yankee went after the biggest name and best available talents in FA. But is it wise when the teams is riddled with question mark virtually everywhere? Are those long term investment warrants the talents reflected and resources committed. Would have it been possible take a gamble on Abreu or spread those dollars in shorter commitments while addressing more positions.

    It’s almost as Cashman and NYY adhere to a singular philosophy that leaves little to the imaginations and creative process.

  44. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    austin, hot down there? Already warm enough for me up here. I’m a Nordic guy.

  45. Mottsx April 12th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    I miss mark Reynolds right now and will even more when solarte is batting .200 in two weeks.

  46. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    http://online.wsj.com/news/art.....3764449454

    , Epstein explains it this way: “There was always a tension between the scouting and development approach and what I call ‘The Monster.’ ‘The Monster,’ especially after we won the first time, was that we had to be bigger, better. There had to be more, more, more. We had to push revenues.”

    Whatever. The collapse of 2011 is over. The epic debacle that was the Bobby Valentine era is done. For the first time since Henry bought the team, the Red Sox are rebuilding. And unlike some other big-market owners, Henry doesn’t cringe at the sound of the word.

    The right kind of rebuild can take years, but if done right, the result is worth the wait. Henry’s four Yankees championship rings are proof of that. And yes, he still has them.

    what do you do, I thought the above approach from arch rival can invoke some thoughts in ways we operate.

  47. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    Mills,

    In the 70-80s. I like it, I’m a wimp.

  48. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 9:06 am

    pat,

    That’s exactly it.

    I also feel like there are too many position players who are not long-term invest-ables (from a fan’s point of view, emotional investment). Ellsbury, McCann and ???

    The teams the last two seasons feel like placeholders, but for what or whom?

  49. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I’m thankful for my climate, only a few small ratttlesnakes, and I’ve only been to Georgian Bay once anyways.

  50. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    the Yanks are essentially Camelot without a heir, the expensive mercenaries reinforce the glamorous exterior that is rotten within. The cure will most likely ultimately come with it, but will it be this FO that brings it? That is question worth to be beckoned.

  51. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:11 am

    *come from within.

  52. jmills April 12th, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Cash, you’ve got, Tanaka. I’ve got Dustin McGowan put together from Sylvia Plath’s city of broken parts :) ( but I like it )

  53. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Watching the game last night, didn’t you have that uneasy feeling that CC and the Yankees would “fork” over that 1-0 lead?”

    Well yea but how many 1-0 games are you gonna win against Boston? You score two runs you’re not going to win

  54. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:16 am

    austinmac says:
    April 12, 2014 at 8:19 am
    Cashman reaffirmed yesterday they have spent all of their money. This is our team.

    So stupid

  55. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:17 am

    to each’s own Mill. But I get your drift.

  56. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    So stupid
    ======
    and this is the guy you want to keep?

  57. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Paging Steven Drew and Kendris morales. Can you report to Yankee stadium please

  58. yankee21 April 12th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    There was a reason odds makers set the Yankee win total at less than 87 wins, this is a good but flawed team. I hesitated before declaring 89 wins but I’ll still go with that mainly because I think Tanaka and Pineda are the real deal.

    If TEX is looked at as a solution to improve the offense this team is in serious trouble.
    TEX is and has been part of the problem, as has Cashman and organizational hitting philosophy espoused by Kevin Long.

    Hal has closed his little pocket book, and in some ways I don’t blame him, but I also don’t want to hear about championship or bust as the goal because it is clear he has had a multitude of options to further improve the team that would have only cost money but he said no to them. For example, Kendry Morales, why is he not signed, they do not have a real 1B on the roster to back up big bad injured TEX, and they need another bat, why not sign him. It is stupid and it may cost this team playing in October.

  59. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:21 am

    So stupid
    ======
    and this is the guy you want to keep?”

    Cashman sure….. Hal….no ….Hal is he one that cut the payroll by 25 million and is keeping them from finishing the team

  60. Mottsx April 12th, 2014 at 9:25 am

    With no arod this year and now no jeter next year in suprised the ysnkees didnt offer perlta 4/60.

  61. yankee21 April 12th, 2014 at 9:26 am

    I no longer blame Cashman for this teams woes, I blame Hal for keeping guys like Cashman, Newman, Kevin Long and host of MiL coaches in place.

    Stupid, detached passionless owner will make stupid decisions. It is all on Hal.

  62. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Morning all.

    I believe it was JF and YF who talked about a “grip cam” after watching Pineda pitch. I think thats a great idea. It got me thinking about all the improvements that YES can and should make to it’s broadcast. Cue the jokes ( :D )

    Catchers cam is one so you could see what signs are called (obviously when the bases are empty). It could be done as a split screen or small PIP kind of thing.

    A defensive shot so you can see how the infield and OF are aligned for every AB would be great as well.

    A true CF angle.

    Better stats ( especially ones that are applicable for the situation. ex: BaBip, RISP etc) for every batter and pitcher

    WHat else?

  63. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Everyone needs to take a step back and relax. 11 games into the season and we want Cash to make moves already. The division is trying to find itself with every team at about .500. In ST a lot of people said Solarte would fall off, that he played winter ball and was ahead of everyone else. He kept hitting all Spring though. He was the first player to hit 5 doubles in 1st 6 games since 1900!!!! Be happy for the guy and I sure am happy to have a player that hustles his butt off. Not saying he will bat .300 but he looks like a real solid player that would fill 2B nicely. He is playing 3B because of need. Soriano seems to be heating up a bit, McCann has to adjust to the shift, Beltran will hit, the offense will be fine. The time to make moves is the ASB. No one running away with things 11 games in…..

  64. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    The yanks are in the fix they are in because Hal made Cashman budget for like 3 years for project 189…..it led to a collapse of the offense via decay.

    So then fearing a fan mutiny he decided to go over 189 and spend some money this winter……but really not doing anything but rearrange the payroll to keep it where he wanted….::they are about 25 million below 2013 right now.

    And that woukd be fine if the situation wasn’t created by Hal……so he caused the problem and now he’s refusing to fully fix it because he wants to keep his profit margins where he wants them

  65. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 9:28 am

    Passionless. A very good description of Hal. He has never been a fan.

  66. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    I’ve said this before…If Cashman gets no blame, than he doesn’t deserve any credit either.

    So all the credit for signing Tanaka goes to Hal ….right?

  67. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    If they had made the playoffs last year then Hal wouldn’t have done anything this winter and probably woukd have dropped payroll below 189

  68. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 9:30 am

    Blake,

    Excellent historical review.

  69. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    So all the credit for signing Tanaka goes to Hal ….right?”

    I give the credit to the fans for threatening to mutiny ……Cashman deserves some blame for the shape of the farm system but I put most of the blame on Hal for where they are

  70. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    He is playing 3B because of need.”

    He is playing 3rd because they don’t have a 3rd baseman…from what I am reading that is Hals fault.

  71. yankee21 April 12th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    Blake, I think you would agree with me when I say I could care less about Hal’s profit margins I want to see a good baseball team and an organization that walks the talk in terms of its pursuit of excellence.

    Of course 11 games into the season is not indicative of the state of the organization, and certainly shouldn’t cause anyone to run for the hills and panic, but 11 games into the season and the last couple of years certainly are. This is a woefully constructed team given its immense resources.

    To not have a real 1B or a real 3B on the active roster is indicative of inept roster construction and piss poor player development that lies clearly at the feet of Cashman and Newman. And tolerating this failure lies at the feet of Hal.

  72. blake April 12th, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Blake, I think you would agree with me when I say I could care less about Hal’s profit margins I want to see a good baseball team and an organization that walks the talk in terms of its pursuit of excellence.”

    Yup…..could not possibly care less if Hal clears 280 million instead of 300

  73. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Good morning

    I’m a very optimistic guy, but I’m about to hit the panic button. I know the season is two weeks old, but I see a pattern here. The offense is sub-par. I share the feeling that we are doomed if we are two runs down.

    The problem is they went from signing the best FA available (not named Robbie) directly to dumpster diving, skipping the complimentary pieces (the Peraltas-Drew-Morales of the world).

    I think things will get better, but we need a couple of bats. ASAP

  74. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 9:35 am

    If attendance sags again this year, the unfortunate result will probably be Hal saying “See, spending is not the answer.” No Hal, building a partial team is not the answer.

  75. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 9:37 am

    Blake

    How do you know Cashman wasn’t all in on 189 from the start? Do we know that he didn’t become enamored with his “dumpster diving “prowess so he thought he could pull it off? How do you explain Wells and Youk, Hals fault? Do you know how Cash advised Hal re: Cano?

    Cashman deserves the blame ( and the credit) because he is the GM. And the complaining about a 200 million dollar payroll must be hysterical to teams like the Cardinals, A’s, KC etc…

  76. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Perhaps the rule should be in business, do not pass on a business to your son if he has never shown any interest in the business. Hal, played with his horses in his adult years. He only runs the team now due to divorce and stupidity of his brother.

  77. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    He is playing 3B because the $30million 3B is suspended. And the $25million 1B is on the DL and the replacement for the $30million 3B now has to play 1B. There is $55million tied up in 2 players currently not playing. I can see why Hal doesnt want to spend more on those positions. I can also see why they were reluctant to give a certain 2B a 10 year deal over $200million. You dont make moves less than 2 weeks into a season. There is a trade deadline and i can see the Yanks really looking to bolster their lineup mid year. Guys like Phelps, Warren, etc may provide the necessary value to bring back some pieces.

  78. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 9:43 am

    So, Uehara might be injured.

  79. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 9:44 am

    The Yankees knew AROD would likely be out and should have wondered about Teixiera. Phelps and/or Warren, as middle inning BP pitchers are not returning value. Every team has these guys. That is the fundamental problem–we have no trade chips that are not highly costly or 27 and never had a history of production.

  80. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Morning, Doreen

    What’s the deal with Uejara?

    ——————————

    The 30 mm 3B is suspended. But he’s going to be at DL and DH frequently the next years. So, they need another 3B

  81. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    There is $55million tied up in 2 players currently not playing.
    ——-
    one of which is not getting paid in 14, the other is nowhere near the player that warrants the pay grade. I can see Hal doesn’t want to spend more on those positions, it’s called stupid.

  82. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    “He is playing 3B because the $30million 3B is suspended. And the $25million 1B is on the DL and the replacement for the $30million 3B now has to play 1B. There is $55million tied up in 2 players currently not playing.”

    mnmboys

    Nice try but they are not paying Alex’s salary. And the 25 mil 1b (actually 22.5) that is on the DL was coming off major surgery and major decline over the last few years. ANd the replacement 3rd baseman that “now has to play 1b” was never a 3rd baseman 9or 1b) either.

    So other than….. yeah what great planning and foresight in that roster construction.

    And I do agree the time to make moves is not two weeks into the season, thats why they have an off-season.

  83. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Phelps and Warren both have the ability to be starters and not every team has that with their relievers. Even Phil Hughes had enough value to the Twins to get a $25million deal. Throw Warren or Phelps along with a catcher and one or two others and you have a decent package for an upgrade

  84. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Cash and Tar,

    Co-signed

    P.S.: sorry Sorry Tar, but I can’t stop laughing these days every time I write your nick, LOL

  85. yankee21 April 12th, 2014 at 9:52 am

    The Yankees have known since the first few days in January that Arod would miss all of 2014 and they had ample evidence that pointed to a high likelihood that he would miss a portion of 2014 as early as the fall, so not having a real 3B as a b/up plan because of this suspension is a failure.

    Regarding TEX, he was injured most of last year, had a lousy ST, and has had consistently declining performance beginning in 2010. To not have a b/up plan with a legitimate 1B who can hit and field a little is inexcusable as the TEX situation this year either beset by injuries or poor performance was foreseeable to any GM or owner paying even remote attention.

    This GM and Owner rolled the dice on these two positions and 2B by the way and so far Solarte has saved Cashman’s butt at 3B and KJ has performed at TEX level of mediocrity at 1B but how long will these last is anyone’s guess and Brian Roberts is hitting .140.

    Personally I think signing a Jeff Baker and or Kendry Morales would have mitigated against these risks. The owner chose to gamble his playoff chances on this, and in my opinion after spending 425 million that was a stupid gamble to take.

  86. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    jmv

    What’s wrong with Tar? it’s black and gooey and helps Pineda pitch…what more do you want? :D

  87. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:53 am

    look, when you have 220 mil at your disposal or 190, it’s almost impossible to have a ‘bad’ team. The issue here is how to put together a championship with sunken cost and almost no rebuilding time allotted that is more motivated from a financial perspective than baseball.

  88. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 9:54 am

    Tar – they still have to pay the $30million 3B when he comes back. The 1B still has years remaining over $20million. They are not going to spend more on these positions. Plain and simple

  89. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Hi, jmv.

    Slightly sore, stiff shoulder for Uehara. I didn’t realize he was 39 years old. At least I think that’s what I heard them say last night? Did I mis-hear.

    Anyway, shoulder stiffness has to be concern. He was the Red Sox ace in the hole last year.

    The Yankees really shouldn’t do anything right now. No other team is making hay and seem to have their own issues. It is fair to give them time to gel. Even the Dodgers last season, it took a ways into the season (remember Donny’s job was on the line?) before they started to click. Not saying this team is a latent Dodgers team, but I don’t believe McCann is going to hit under .200 forever, and I until I see otherwise, I do think Tex, when he’s back, will be productive. Not 2009 productive, or even 2010 productive, certainly, but something.

    I’d say the end of May is a good time to really take the team’s temperature.

    I’d like to be optimistic. That’s my nature. And baseball season is very long, a soap opera really. There is time for good things to happen.

    Just gotta hope the other teams don’t solve their issues before we solve ours, our that we don’t solve our issues at all.

  90. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 9:57 am

    The 1B still has years remaining over $20million. They are not going to spend more on these positions. Plain and simple
    =======
    huh, why not? give me a rational reason other than sunken cost? If you can give 25 mil to Ells when the Yanks already had Gardner then you explore similar concepts.

  91. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Long live the Tar! LOL

    —————————

    Committing all that money to 3B and 1B turned to be a mistake. But it’s a worse mistake to stand pat on those two positions

  92. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    There seems to be two schools of thought regarding AROD. One is he will never return or he will return and be productive. I think he will return and continue to decline even more quickly in health and productivity.

    I agree . We need a 3B, now and in the future.

  93. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Cashmoney,

    Exactly — they’re in essence wasting the money they did spend this year by going half-baked at putting together a good team It doesn’t make any sense.

    Either go all in or rebuild for real.

    And I do think they owe Jeter a chance to win this year — yes, more so than Mo and I love Mo. How much money has Jeter alone brought into the Steinbrenner’s coffers just by being on their team and becoming THE ambassador of the MLB?

    BTW, any of you read Lester’s quote about Jeter?

  94. Tar April 12th, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Cash

    They had a window of opportunity to rebuild, it didn’t have to be a complete rebuild, but they could have and should have re-tooled. Someone needed to have the cojones to say look this is what we need to do. Someone mentioned the Sox and unfortunately for us that is a good example.

    It’s like they are never quite all in. O just “Pick a lane” as Blake has written

  95. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Doreen,

    Thanks for the info on Uejara. Doesn’t look good.

    On the other note, I’m sure McCann will be better and Teix will help to some degree, but they have to do something sooner than later with the IF. Jeter leaving won’t help to the cause

  96. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:03 am

    I am trying to understand the logic of 55 mil combined sunken cost that in actuality probably rendered less than 15 mil in talents that leaves no rooms for the possibility of upgrades by ways spending?

    It seems neither plain nor simple other than rigid thinking in place.

  97. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    They need a whole new left side. This is why 1B will not be addressed. AROD becomes the DH when Soriano is off the books.

  98. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:05 am

    They need a whole new left side.
    ===
    they need a brand new infield.

  99. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Wang, good to see you around!

    “Either go all in or rebuild for real.”

    That’s something we all agree

  100. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    Cash – they are going to replace Teix unless he is lost for the season again….. and who would you replace him with?

  101. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    AROD becomes the DH when Soriano is off the books.
    ——-
    so you telling me we essentially will have no DH or a rather precarious one at best. which doesn’t solve any existing issues.

  102. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:08 am

    arent replacing Teix

  103. yankee21 April 12th, 2014 at 10:09 am

    And I do think they owe Jeter a chance to win this year — yes, more so than Mo and I love Mo. How much money has Jeter alone brought into the Steinbrenner’s coffers just by being on their team and becoming THE ambassador of the MLB? ….

    Totally disagree, the Yankees owe Jeter nothing other than his pay. Likewise, Jeter owes nothing to the Yankees other than to perform to the best of his abilities.

    I don’t care how much Jeter has put into the Yankees coffers he wasn’t forced to sign any contracts and he is well on his way to becoming a billionaire for his trouble.

  104. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    You have to put a $30million player someplace……. unless of course they buy him out and you start over

  105. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    and who would you replace him with?
    —-
    MnM, because he is no longer is the player was, because he is most likely one of the worst LH swinging 1b among any championship contenders. because there is vast room for upgrades. because 1b might be easiest place to upgrade an offense.

  106. austinmac April 12th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    AROD’s stats have declined six straight years. To think after a year off at his age he will be productive is grasping at straws.

  107. Giuseppe Franco April 12th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 8:23 am

    For years, Yankees pitching was able to say, “I know if I keep it close, this team has a chance to win. ”

    Not anymore.

    It is very discouraging to be down 2 runs – TWO – with 3 or more innings left to play, and have no confidence at all that the game can be won. Or even tied.

    It’s great to have a terrific pitching staff and a good bullpen. But you need offense. You cane win if you don’t score. It is not a moral victory that they’re only losing by a run or two; it s not a moral victory that the pitching has been good enough to be 9-2 instead of 5-6.

    I know it’s early, and I certainly hope things come around, but …

    ——

    That is precisely why those who repeat the “it all comes down to pitching” cliche are dead wrong.

    This team was never out of a game when they had stacked lineups. People often scoff at the “HR or bust” offenses of the past but at least those teams made the postseason regularly.

    Having great pitching is always nice to have but they can’t win games on their own.

  108. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:12 am

    either go all in or rebuild is what i been advocating for last few years, the writing was on the wall…

    MnM, I would have taken a gamble on Jose Abreu and spread the money on Ells on Peralta,infante and balfour.

  109. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    Cash – so who do you put there? KJ is a .250 hitter with 20+ HRs. Can they do better than that at what they are paying KJ?

  110. Madrugador April 12th, 2014 at 10:13 am

    A very lively discussion this morning.

    Arod-I can’t see him playing all that much baseball anymore. Have to think that they will try to make him some kind of offer to buy him out if he doesn’t get injured first so they can collect on the insurance.

    State of the Team- It does get real negative around here when they lose but seems pretty positive when they win. (I like their chances with Kuroda going today.) Having said that it does seem the FO is driven by purely financial goals and has no real passion for the game. The time of building your team with free agents is past. If you can’t build your team through player development and then top it off with a free agent or two, it’s going to be tough sledding.

  111. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    and please understanding MnM the thought process does not derive from a 10 game samples, the idea here for me is take finite resources and invested in shorter terms and hedge with a gamble along with some certainty in lieu of the multiple holes this team have.

  112. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 10:15 am

    From a pure business point of view:

    If they get Drew and Morales (not a big fan of any of them, but just saying), on one year deals at 8 mm (totally doable at this time of the year) they’d probably increase their playoff chances, and their revenue

  113. yankee21 April 12th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Teams with the resources the Yankees have shouldn’t have to decide between should we have great pitching or a stacked line-up. They can do both.

    I look at the Cardinals at the benchmark, is there an organization in the game that has a model that is as sustainable as what they have constructed with the capability of winning a championship every year?

    The Yankees absolutely blow out the Cardinals in terms of revenue, brand recognition, WW fan base etc… yet they are so far beneath them in terms of a coherent, consistent and an effective means of putting together a team that will compete seriously year in and year out.

  114. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    KJ is an excellent backup at multiple positions, ideally.

  115. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:19 am

    Balfour has injury risks. Peralta is a juicer. Infante is already 32 years old. To trade Ells for these 3 would be a laughingstock.

  116. RadioKev April 12th, 2014 at 10:20 am

    Blake, maybe some of the Yankees will bandy together to defer their payments so they can go sign Drew?

  117. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    GF-

    Good teams are usually balanced. Pitching and Offense. It’s great when you have a team that can hit to cover a poor pitching day; pitch to cover a poor hitting day; and those glorious days when the pitching and offense are both in sync.

  118. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 10:23 am

    The trade market kind of dictates one top plus three good prospects to get a really good player

    So we need to develop those. And if a star develops (Cano did happen), it’s a keeper. But it all starts with the farm

  119. Mottsx April 12th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Ichiro is batting .400 he has no trade value still?

  120. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:25 am

    Where the yankees missed some opportunites were with the Latino ballplayers. No posting fees, no lost draft picks (I dont think)…. just dollars. Bad job there

  121. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:26 am

    Balfour has injury risks. Peralta is a juicer. Infante is already 32 years old. To trade Ells for these 3 would be a laughingstock.
    ———
    Peralta is a juicer that produces well above average offense from SS or 3b. Infante is 300 contact hitter with some power. Balfour like most, is no more an injury risk than Drob.

    And Ellsbury is not fragile? what are you talking about?

  122. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    Where the yankees missed some opportunites were with the Latino ballplayers. No posting fees, no lost draft picks (I dont think)…. just dollars. Bad job there
    ——
    I guess Jose Abreu is not one of them eh? no room because of Tex?

  123. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 10:28 am

    mnm,

    To be honest, there is that stupid IFA cap that scrwd the money advantage. The IFA draw isn’t good news, either

    I hope they buy everyone on the IFA this year. All of them

  124. jmv April 12th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    IFA pool draft, I meant

  125. The Fifth Core Foursman April 12th, 2014 at 10:30 am

    This could be the earliest in a season we check Cot’s for future payroll obligations. Lol

  126. Doreen April 12th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    I disagree that the Yankees haven’t seriously contended year in and year out. I’d say getting to the playoffs is seriously contending. 2008 was even a seriously contending year until Posada, Joba and Matsui went down, and Pudge was a bust. Even 2010, 2011 and 2012 the teams was a serious contender and got to the playoffs. That they didn’t get to the WS is something different, and why they thought they needed better pitching.

    Last year is the first year you could reasonably question them putting together a team that could seriously compete, and you cannot dismiss the injuries (even if you subscribe to the idea that they should have planned better for them, Granderson twice??? Tex before the season starts? and every backup and backup to the backups were injured as well). And even with all that they did put up a great fight, and were contenders through August.

    It’s really not fair to say this team doesn’t put up serious contenders year in and year out.

    Even this year, you can’t write them off as not being a serious contender yet. Right now it does NOT look good, but no team in the AL East looks good right now, so they have some borrowed time to get it together.

    What the Yankees are having trouble with is transition. Transition from the Jeter years (for simplification) to life after the Jeter years. Transition from an MLB where they were basically the only team with money to an MLB where everyone is flush and can afford to keep their players through their primes. Transition from an owner who seemed to throw caution to the winds at times (though I don’t think so as much as others do) to his son, who appears to be more attuned to the bottom line.

    This is why they need some new, fresh blood in that organization. It’s a new game.

  127. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Unless you can DH 1 of Teix or Abreu that is correct there is no room for Abreu. Since the Yanks have 5 other DHs this was not an option. I agree with you that I would love to have Abreu but where are you putting everyone?

  128. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:33 am

    You cant just go out and and say I am going to replace this or that $20million player that still has years on their contracts with someone else.

  129. SweetSpot April 12th, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Trading Ichiro would not be wise at all in my opinion; it’s likely that one or more of our outfielders will get injured this season and they will all need a break from time to time. Ichiro is one of the best hitters in baseball history who clearly had skills left; hitting, speed, defense and baseball smarts. His value as a late inning defensive replacement and/or pinch runner should not be taken for granted. He will never get us a starting infielder or quality reliever, so if it were me, I keep him.

  130. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:39 am

    mnm, Abreu is regarded as power hitter came out Cuba. it’s a gamble no doubt. as where am I putting Abreu? where he can play every day is the simple answer, I am thinking DH.

    If Yanks had one of DH type that hits like Ortiz than it can be legitimately argue the need is much lessen. They don’t, having DH types of player who doesn’t fit the description of a designate hitter is simply waste of a roster space when massive upgrade can be had.

  131. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:44 am

    *as best power hitter came out of …

  132. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Soriano doesnt hit like Ortiz? Ortiz has a much higher BA but production wise pretty comparable. Soriano is the Yanks DH. Again no room. I like Abreu, just no room for everyone……

  133. Wang IS Taiwan April 12th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    jmv — Howdy! Nice to hang out here again.

    yankees21 — you sound like Cashman, but I’m a fan, not a calculated businessman, and like an earlier poster, would give up three years of playoffs in the future to have a championship this year as Jeter rides off into the sunset. I do understand your point, though.

    Good night, all. I have an early morning. I’ll have to catch you later tomorrow.

    GO YANKS!

  134. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Soriano can play OF, DH, Abreu can DH and Play 1b and giving the super fragile and not so productive Tex some rest at 1b. The idea is fluid. I already told you the player that is my preference in acquiring this OS over Ellsbury.

    It’s rigid thinking MnM. No Sori is no Ortiz, but he can be a streaky and productive hitter as we have seen.

  135. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Later Wang, good to see you back.

  136. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 11:00 am

    as Tanaka, the idea of acquiring Abreu is also that if the any team hits the jackpot, it goes far beyond this year.

    Youth with talents.

  137. mnmboys April 12th, 2014 at 11:01 am

    Great chatting with you all this morning. Sorry I don’t get a chance to do it more often…… getting ready for gametime! GO YANKS!

  138. Cashmoney April 12th, 2014 at 11:02 am

    same here mnmboys, it’s good to exchange ideas.

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