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Yankees lineup: No Jeter for the second day in a row

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Derek Jeter is not in the lineup for the second day in a row, but Joe Girardi is downplaying it as a minor issue. Apparently, Jeter’s right quad tightened up in Friday night’s game, and with tomorrow being an off day, Girardi saw this as an opportunity to give him four consecutive days to rest it. No tests are scheduled, and it sounds like Girardi expects him in Tuesday’s lineup. We shall see.

Brett Gardner LF
Carlos Beltran RF
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Alfonso Soriano DH
Brian McCann C
Yangervis Solarte 2B
Kelly Johnson 3B
Francisco Cervelli 1B
Dean Anna SS

RHP Ivan Nova

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93 Responses to “Yankees lineup: No Jeter for the second day in a row”

  1. exiledintampa April 13th, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    Who would have ever forseen this infield.

  2. tomingeorgia April 13th, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Exiled,
    Nobody.

  3. CountryClub April 13th, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    exiledintampa April 13th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
    CC – I think you were right the first time, he was hiding something yesterday.

    ————-

    Oh they definitely knew about this yesterday. Jeter wants to play today but they want to give him the three days off (4 if there’s a rainout Tuesday).

  4. UnKnown April 13th, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    Wouldn’t that be 3 days off not 4

  5. bigdan22 April 13th, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    exiledintampa April 13th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
    bigdan – do you post on twitter? I would follow you. BTW the only way to claim an original idea was yours first, by todays standards, is to post it on twitter first. It’s the new accepted standard. That H.S. kid that seems to know more than the experts gets quoted for saying it first all the time now. Not that you would want that.

    —–

    No I do not. Thanks for the tip tho. I follow a couple folks but it’s not something I really want to get into. Might be addictive in a bad way. Also I’m not that pithy!

  6. Revenge of Stoneburner April 13th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    Sean McAdam @Sean_McAdam
    Pedroia out with a sore left wrist; happened on take-out slide in MIL series. Would explain struggles at plate since. #RedSoxTalk

  7. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 5:19 pm

    “Tex, after working an offseason trying to focus on hitting the other way,gave it up.,Didn’t care about the BA. Basically said it was more important to him to hit 30 homers with 100 RBI’s.”

    —————

    YT –

    Well, unfortunately, it’s going to take him hitting .220 with 18-20HR this season, perhaps before he realizes that he isn’t going to be the hitter he once was and he needs to try something else.

  8. yankinvegas April 13th, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    Why are still carrying 13 pitchers?
    It is ridiculous. Are they just waiting for next when Tex comes back? Total BS. Bring Sizemore in here now.
    We have 1 move to make tonight.
    And we absolutely need a legit MLB SS here if Jeter is going to be compromised physically for periods of time. Sometime Cashman’s roster manipulation totally mystifies me.

  9. Yankee Trader April 13th, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    Facing a lefty tonight.
    Would be nice to have Jeter’s bat in there

    Felix Doubront, #22 LHP
    1-1, 9.00 ERA, 6 SO
    The lefty struggled mightily in his last start, giving up six hits, five walks and three runs over 2 2/3 innings against the Rangers. Doubront is 3-2 with a 4.17 ERA lifetime against the Yankees.

  10. austinmac April 13th, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    Five left handed hitters. When do you ever see that against a lefty?

  11. CountryClub April 13th, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    no way they outlaw shifts. If hitters don’t like it, adapt, instead of being stubborn

    you’re gonna see alot of pull happy HR hitters averages drop significantly. So you have to ask yourself, do you want to hit 30HR but also hit .240?

    ————-

    Don’t be so sure. They’ve changed the rules before to combat pitchers being too dominant.

    As to your question, most players and almost all teams would be fine with a .240 hitter if he was putting up 30 HRs. Teams don’t care about avg any more. Yanks would be just fine with McCann putting up those numbers. Now, if his OBP was .240, that would be a different matter.

  12. bigdan22 April 13th, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    “. . .

    The thing that makes the shift so deadly *right now* is that guys who you would not expect to be shifted on are being shifted on because the data indicates that it would be effective even if the eye test does not.

    Shifts do not bother with flyballs and most line drives, so the pertinent stat is “When a player hits a ball on the ground, to which direction does it most often go?”. Even Cano, who you would think is an all fields hitter, hits the ball on the ground to the right side 85% of the time. And when you include center its like 95% of the time. He is the perfect candidate to be shifted on right now and is not a guy who would have been shifted on in the past. Because he does go the opposite way in the air and on the line. But if you want to take away base hits, you shift on him and he will lose a bunch to the shift.

    —-

    This is a salient point. The other thing that I think is making the shift more “deadly” is the short right fielderer. He seems to be playing even deeper now which creates a “cone effect” (that’s an original term–sorry couldn’t help myself) that gives him a greater ability to cut off batted balls and make plays at first. Also, there seems to be more shifting against righties this year.

  13. yankinvegas April 13th, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Also, why is YES now having 2 live segments with Meredith during the game? One was bad enough.

  14. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Nobody.

    Except all the people that said this IF/Bench was a disaster in waiting :) When your infield starters are weak, any injuries or off days exacerbate the problem greatly. This is also my issue with the rotating DH.

    The rotating DH and these kinds of slapped together defensive units only work when the parts are all relatively equal. Once you start subbing in 1 or 2 below average parts every day you run the risk of 1 injury forcing 2 to 3 below average parts entering the equation.

    This year the Yankees I thought had a decent DH rotation because the outfield had 4 players that were all starter worthy, so if 1 of them DHs most of the time it wouldn’t be that big a deal. The infield though, yikes.

  15. tomingeorgia April 13th, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    I wish Arod was here.

  16. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Derek Jeter is out of the Yankees lineup for a second consecutive game on Sunday due to a sore quad.

    Yankees manager Joe Girardi said that it’s been bothering Jeter since Friday and that he wanted to give him an extra day to rest with Monday’s off day looming. At the moment, it sounds as though he’ll return to the lineup on Tuesday.

  17. pete2 April 13th, 2014 at 5:27 pm

    repost
    ============
    Like Yankee Trader said shifts have been around for a long while. Main difference is teams are now shifting against mediocre hitters and not just elite pull hitters.
    BABIP does not seem to be affected in recent years, so I don’t really see the big impact overall. For every hitters who loses some points off their average there are probably some other hitters who gain a bit.

    There were 2 questions about Jeter coming into the season, if he could hit well enough, and I think that’s been answered, and if he could stay health, and that’s still a question. A quad injury 2 weeks into the season is not promising.

    Only thing keeping me from pushing Drew thing again is Solarte. However, as Jerkface said at one point, there really is nothing in Solartes career minor league stats that suggest he is going to hit anywhere near his current levels. He had success against Lackey because he throws almost all fast balls and hard stuff. Before yesterday when fed a steady diet of off-speed stuff he was hitless in 9 AB. I still hold out some hope he can sustain it by adjusting, but won’t be surprised if he is just another flash in the pan (which does not preclude him form being a useful utility guy)

  18. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    “As to your question, most players and almost all teams would be fine with a .240 hitter if he was putting up 30 HRs. Teams don’t care about avg any more.”

    ——————

    yeah, of course teams would take .240 and 30HR…. but what I’m saying is that guys who used to hit .280-300 and hit 30HR are now going to be .240 guys. That’s not good.

    Frankly, a guy just needs to show that he will bunt or attempt to beat the shift, so that they stop doing it as much or have to change the way they shift.

    I’m enjoying watching stubborn hitters who swing as hard as they can ground out into the shift.

  19. blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    “Tex, after working an offseason trying to focus on hitting the other way,gave it up.,Didn’t care about the BA. Basically said it was more important to him to hit 30 homers with 100 RBI’s.”

    This sounds crazy but this is smart for Tex…..not because it’s good that he cares more about 30/100 than about BA but because realistically that’s all he can do left handed at this point with his swing……

    it would take a compete swing rebuild for him to be able to hit the ball the other way with any consistency and at his age I think it’s better for him to focus on what he CAN do and that’s hit homers……he is what he is…..gotta accept it…..he has

  20. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    Don’t be so sure. They’ve changed the rules before to combat pitchers being too dominant.

    Yea but they didn’t outlaw strategy in the game. They have changed the strike zone a bit, lowered the mound, added the DH, but they never say outlawed sliders or split fingers or curves. This game could be played just as easily if everyone could only throw fastballs and change ups, but they didn’t outlaw the nasty secondary stuff that gives hitters fits.

    I don’t think they will outlaw shifts, how can you en force it? Short stop can’t go past 2nd base? He’ll just stand as close to the line as possible.

  21. bigdan22 April 13th, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    This infield tonight is indeed scary. It will truly test my theory that infield defense rarely affects game outcomes :)

    It’s not just the low skill sets (Cervelli) but how often has this infield ever played together? Throw out game results because baseball is pretty weird that way, but if you consider the bullpen they had for game 1 and the infield for game 4, I think some series questions should be asked about roster construction. I understand stuff happens, but there really should be some better contingency planning than Cervelli at first base.

  22. blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    The best way Tex can raise hit BA and steal a few more hits is to try to learn to slash the ball……a half swing…..slash to the left side of the infield when they shift him. That’s not changing his swing…..it’s merely doing something different and taking what they are giving you

  23. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    BABIP does not seem to be affected in recent years, so I don’t really see the big impact overall. For every hitters who loses some points off their average there are probably some other hitters who gain a bit.

    I think the thing with this is that some teams don’t shift, and some teams that do shift are bad at it. We know that there is a subset of teams who did affect BABIP positively with the shift, but a team like the Yankees was negatively affected. Depending on how bad the defenders are and how stupid the shifts are maybe those teams suck enough to offset the gains by the good shifting teams.

    I do recall a lot of shifts last year where the Yankees went kind of ‘half shift’ and the guys got base hits anyways. Its not so easy to just move your defenders over a bit, you have to place them smartly.

  24. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    “The best way Tex can raise hit BA and steal a few more hits is to try to learn to slash the ball……a half swing…..slash to the left side of the infield when they shift him.”

    —————

    anything would be better than “I don’t care if I lose .50 or more point off my average as long as I get my homers”

    just try it. practice it and see what happens. saying you don’t care and just want your HR is idiotic.

  25. Yankee Trader April 13th, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    Blake

    This was discussed before-maybe until his right wrist is 100% he should hit from the right side.

    It’ll never happen as the short porch in right in YS is too tempting.

    Posted this article at the end if the last thread. Fun read on the power hitters who have the most pull power on pitches on the oitside corner, low and away.

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....w-and-away

  26. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    speaking of Tex, sounds like he’ll be back on the field in a week.

    he will help the team whether he hits or not…. (vs existing 1b options)

  27. bigdan22 April 13th, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    I hope Roberts isn’t hurt as well because I think it’s real mistake having Cervelli at first base. That could be real bad. I think they dodged a bullet last time.

  28. blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:43 pm

    Trader,
    I’ve been against him hitting soley right handed but we may not be far from it …..

    I get not wanting to chance against the shift if you’re still producing but with Tex I mean he gets worse every year ……it’s hard to understand how he sees a free hit sitting over there and won’t take it every now and then

  29. blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    We aren’t far from Dean Anna stealing Roberts job I don’t think unless they come to their senses and sign Drew or make a trade…..I’m just not sure what B Rob has left……it’s been so long since he’s been able to play regularly

  30. pete2 April 13th, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    If pitchers pitch inside like McCann it may be difficult for Tex to go against the shift. If they stay outside like with Ortiz, it’s relatively easy I would think. However, if a hitter is a 30-40 HR guy, going against the shift is actually a win for the other team since all you are going to get is a single. There are times when a single is better than an 5-10% chance of hitting a HR, but not always

    Pedroia out with a bad wrist, which is too bad since he has been a big out maker this series. I don’t think Pedroia will age well with his style of play. He is on the wrong side of 30 this year. His contract extension covering his age 32-37 seasons may not be as great as some think it will be.

  31. Yankee Trader April 13th, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    Tex and his 2011 offseason

    And Joe Girardi has publicly endorsed the new Teixeira approach, saying, “In this game, if the other team is going to give you something, you take it.”

    But you wonder how long Teixeira is going to stick with trying to poke the ball the other way, especially if, as happened several times during batting practice on Monday, his efforts result in easy ground balls to the shortstop.

    That is not the player Mark Teixeira envisions himself to be, nor is it the player the Yankees signed in 2009 for eight years and $180 million.

    Asked what stat he valued the most as the true measure of a hitter, Teixeira said this: “Oh, no question, it’s the RBI. At the end of the day I’m a middle-of-the-order hitter, whether I’m hitting third, fourth or fifth. It doesn’t matter where you hit, you gotta drive in runs if you’re a player like me. That, and one extra single a week.”

    A glance at the back of Mark Teixeira’s baseball card tells you the HRs and RBIs will be the easy part.

    The one extra single? That may wind up driving him as crazy as The Shift.

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....erspective

  32. pete2 April 13th, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    ” blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    We aren’t far from Dean Anna stealing Roberts job I don’t think unless they come to their senses and sign Drew or make a trade…..I’m just not sure what B Rob has left……it’s been so long since he’s been able to play regularly
    ======================

    There have been times when Roberts has looked fine at the plate. However, my concern at the start of the season besides him staying healthy was if he could still hit. Many players just can’t hit as well as they used to before a serious concussion. There was one study I read that suggested there could be a slight residual delay in reaction of time due to brain damage. Unimportant in daily life but very important hitting a fast ball where you have a couple of tenths of a second to react

    I can’t say 10 games is enough to write him off but it is a concern

  33. blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    If I’m tex im at least slashing to 3b once a game to get a hit in the books…….then swing for the fences the rest if you want

  34. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Alex Cobb out 4-6 weeks. After Moore…. this is a big loss for TB.

  35. blake April 13th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Ortiz doesn’t so it often but every now and then he will drop one down and take the hit…..

  36. Yankee Trader April 13th, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Now Part Two:

    “It was a little more than a year ago, at about the time Teixeira, a switch hitter, had 25 home runs by the end of June, when he says someone of prominence in the Yankee organization essentially insisted that he stop trying to pull everything as a lefthanded hitter, and start using the whole field in an effort to boost his batting average.

    “It wasn’t my decision,’’ he said on Sunday.

    Teixeira doesn’t want to say who it was, except to say that it wasn’t hitting coach Kevin Long. Joe Girardi indicated on Sunday that it wasn’t him, saying it was a general feeling in the organization, and GM Brian Cashman said flatly that it wasn’t him.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2yo3G0IsU

  37. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    Unimportant in daily life but very important hitting a fast ball where you have a couple of tenths of a second to react

    Just look at justin morneau. A lock to OPS over .850 every year with the occasional .900-1.000 and now he is struggling to maintain a .750-.780 OPS each year because of concussions.

    Perhaps the early decline of catchers can be traced to concussions, rather than crouching behind home plate.

  38. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    tomingeorgia April 13th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
    I wish Arod was here.

    Would you have a room with h 0 0 k e r s for him? If so, give him a call and I’m pretty sure he get there by tomorrow.

  39. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    when he says someone of prominence in the Yankee organization essentially insisted that he stop trying to pull everything as a lefthanded hitter

    If its not Girardi, Long ,or Cashman who could it be? Randy Levine? One of the assistant GMs?

  40. CountryClub April 13th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: jeter has had the tight right quad issue since spring. good idea to give him 3 days rest to try to knock it out. #yankees

  41. blake April 13th, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Now woukd be a great time to build a cushion against the rays

  42. tomingeorgia April 13th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Bojo,
    The man can still play baseball. And we’re closed as of 10 AM tomorrow.

  43. Yankee Trader April 13th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    JF

    Maybe he (Tex) was visited by the Ghost of Yankees Past- The Boss!

  44. michaellord6 April 13th, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    I don’t understand why Beltran is batting 2nd and Ellsbury 3rd. Anyone have any ideas?

  45. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    pete2 April 13th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
    ===
    Excellent point. Players with concussions always worry me. It took Aaron Hill years to get back even a little of what he was. Paul Blair never recovered. Mets had an OFer who never recovered about 5 years ago.

  46. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Has anyone heard a thing about Roberts?
    Is he hurt, he must be.
    If so, just in time for Tex return, Solarte to 2nd KJ to 3rd or vice versa.
    Time to call up Sizemore.

  47. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    I assume our bench consists of Ichiro tonight.

  48. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    “Ortiz doesn’t so it often but every now and then he will drop one down and take the hit…..”

    ———-

    Ortiz is a freak who can still tear the cover off the ball at age 38. And yes, even he still takes the free hit.

    Getting on base is hard enough as it is, if a team is going to make it easy for you to take a bunt base hit and you don’t take it, for 95% of hitters, that’s putting yourself over the team.

  49. exiledintampa April 13th, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    Brian Roberts has had 1 hit since the first game of the season. At best he’s a pesky out. Sizemore needs to come up soon.

  50. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    tomingeorgia April 13th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
    Bojo,
    The man can still play baseball. And we’re closed as of 10 AM tomorrow.

    agreed…on both counts.

  51. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    I don’t understand why Beltran is batting 2nd and Ellsbury 3rd. Anyone have any ideas?
    ============
    The lefty righty thing?

  52. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Isn’t this Roberts 2nd day in a row off?
    Next step DL and bring up Sizemore.

  53. BD (Boston Dave) April 13th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    “I don’t understand why Beltran is batting 2nd and Ellsbury 3rd. Anyone have any ideas?
    ============
    The lefty righty thing?

    —————

    Girardi loves it. I do see it as odd when Ellsbury can get in scoring position for Carlos much more easily.

  54. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Its always great to have a singles hitting base stealer as your three hole guy.

  55. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    JF–Interesting original idea/point about the effect of concussions on catchers. I suspect Cervelli has already had a few too many and will have a shortened career as a result…which is too bad as i like him a lot. I also suspect bigdan will soon be referring to this as his idea (JK Dan).

  56. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    Girardi won’t bat Ellsbury leadoff and Gardy 2nd with no Jeter in the order for some reason.
    The one time he tried it, it worked like a charm.
    He might have had Tex in the lineup at the time. Not that it should matter.

  57. Tar April 13th, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    “I don’t understand why Beltran is batting 2nd and Ellsbury 3rd. Anyone have any ideas?”

    In the interest of being fair…..Joe wants Beltran to bunt his way on, so Ells can homer him in.

    Thats all I got.

  58. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    Tommy–If not too personal, what are you planning to do in your retirement? Selling the hotel? Traveling across the country with a trailer? Seeing the world? Moving into the lucrative world of penny stocks? I wish you the best!

  59. blake April 13th, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    Jerkface says:
    April 13, 2014 at 6:16 pm
    Its always great to have a singles hitting base stealer as your three hole guy.

    He’s their best hitter vs RHP …..they don’t have a real 3 hole hitter on this team…..well they do but Beltran is 37 years old…..plus it breaks up the lefties…..it’s not a perfect lineup but Ellsury is killing the ball right now so I’m fine with it

  60. blake April 13th, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    I would have hit Cano 3rd but he’s not on the team…..troll troll troll

  61. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    Maybe it dawned on Joe that Ells and Gardy are both left handed.
    He must have forgotten when they scored 7 against Tor and Ells stole 3 bases and 3 hits.
    I believe Gardy went 3-2 about 5 times that night.

  62. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    Should really be
    Ellsbury
    Gardner
    Beltran
    etc

  63. chicken_stanley April 13th, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    bojo – Did you finally watch Cap’n America Winter Soldier? If so, recommend?

  64. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    I would have hit Cano 3rd but he’s not on the team…..troll troll troll
    ================
    Would that be considered a troll?
    If so, I know someone who qualifies.

  65. blake April 13th, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    “Would that be considered a troll?
    If so, I know someone who qualifies.”

    Nah….depends on how it’s presented…..my point basically is that this team doesn’t have a true 3 hitter right now…..Beltran used to be

  66. Jerkface April 13th, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    He’s their best hitter vs RHP

    Lefty on the mound.

  67. dayglo April 13th, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    Imagine the payroll disparity between this infield and two years ago…

  68. blake April 13th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    “Lefty on the mound.”

    Yea then I got nothing unless he just really wants to split the lefties up

  69. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    Not a word on Roberts?
    Wasn’t he out yesterday too?

  70. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    chicken_stanley April 13th, 2014 at 6:23 pm
    bojo – Did you finally watch Cap’n America Winter Soldier? If so, recommend?
    ==========
    Totally! Loved the surprise cameo by the Hulk in the end where he saves earth! Totally unexpected!

  71. chicken_stanley April 13th, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    I could somewhat understand Beltran 2nd if Ellsbury was in the leadoff slot – Ellsbury is a huge threat to steal and Beltran would theoretically benefit from more fastballs. Gardner seems so hesitant to run, I don’t see that same benefit for Beltran.

    I’m with blake… probably a lefty/righty thing

  72. chicken_stanley April 13th, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    next —->

  73. mick April 13th, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    ok roberts played yesterday, might just be a day off for good behavior.

  74. BoJo April 13th, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    JK about the Hulk surprise ending! But the movie is great. Have seen it twice and will see it again this week.

  75. dayglo April 13th, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    Why didn’t McCann practice first base during spring training? Isn’t that less of a grind than catching? I wouldn’t mind seeing him at first full-time in a few years after Tex is gone and Sanchez is up

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