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Off day notes and links: Cano appearing on Fallon tonight

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 28, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On night before his return to Yankee Stadium, Robinson Cano will be a guest on tonight’s episode of The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. I’m not all that interested in what he has to say — can’t imagine he’s going to say anything shocking or new — I just want him to do something with The Roots. I have no idea whether Robbie has any sort of musical ability, but The Roots make anything sound cool.

A few random links and notes as we finish up this off day…

Masahiro Tanaka• Nice story by Jorge Castillo on the unlikely inspiration for Masahiro Tanaka’s splitter. I guess you never know what a guy can learn from a baseball magazine and a random American journeyman pitcher. Of course, Tanaka and that splitter remain one of the biggest stories in baseball this first month of the season. Just as good as advertised and perhaps even better than really expected.

• Not every Yankees starter is off to a Tanaka-like start. Over at River Ave. Blues, Mike Axisa looks at the Hiroki Kuroda’s decreased use of his slider early in the season. Kuroda has spoken more than once about his slider not being as sharp as usual, and it seems he’s staying away from it a little bit because of that.

• I assume Robinson Cano will be booed at Yankee Stadium tomorrow. Ken Davidoff writes why he shouldn’t be. Speaking of Cano and trips to Yankee Stadium, his agent, Jay Z, announced a co-headlining tour with Beyonce. Safeco Field is on the list, but Yankee Stadium is not.

• He’s no longer with the Yankees, but reliever Tommy Kahnle came up in the organization before breaking camp this spring as a Rule 5 pick with the Rockies. Writing for MLB.com, Thomas Harding outlines the unusual path that Kahnle took from college through the minors and finally to Colorado. He has 13 strikeouts and a 1.38 ERA through 13 innings this season.

• Not sure it will come into play with Alex Rodriguez eligible to play next season — and the Yankees theoretically ready and willing to activate him — but it’s probably worth noting that Korean third baseman Jeong Choi is likely coming to the Major Leagues next season. Jon Heyman notes that the upcoming free agent market is generally light on hitters, but it could actually be deep at third base.

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156 Responses to “Off day notes and links: Cano appearing on Fallon tonight”

  1. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Kahnle the one that got away..He could have had a role in our BP and freed up some other SP to stay stretched.. Well is water under the bridge I guess.

    Chad,

    What about Turkey..Some other team picked him up?

    I hope Cano is cheered

  2. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    I meant Turley

  3. Against All Odds April 28th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    At Luis are you referring to Late Night or at the stadium

  4. chicken_stanley April 28th, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Luis – I don’t know a lot about Turley… Turkey, on the other hand, we’re distant relatives… :)

  5. Tar April 28th, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Turkey, on the other hand, we’re distant relatives…

    :lol: Good one

  6. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    I meant at the tv show..Chad says he will be on Fallon.

    By the way, read Davidoff’s piece..It is very enlightening on how hard Cano worked and how respected he is by none others than CC and Jeter..They said that he didn’t busted from home to first because he wanted to stay healthy in order to play everyday. I don’t know where I have heard that before? ;)

    Chicken,

    Nah!..You are one and only..They broke the mold when they made you…So turkey for thanksgiving! ;)

  7. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:26 pm

    Also..He expressed the same arguments that we heard here at the time of the events..Especially in relation to Ells contract

  8. j9d April 28th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Chicken — thanks for the laugh.

  9. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    We need a 3B for next season..Good call on Choi Chip

  10. pat April 28th, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    jimmyfallon
    Fun show tonight!!! Epic Lip Sync with Emma Stone plus @RobinsonCano meets up with some haters. It’s fun. #FallonTonight

  11. Against All Odds April 28th, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    Thanks Luis. I’ll have to check it out when I get the chance

  12. chicken_stanley April 28th, 2014 at 9:47 pm

    off topic… watching “Fast and Loud” tonight… Tom and Jordan got the ax… bummer. Two of my favorite characters on the show.

  13. austinmac April 28th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Luis,

    One brilliant idea–add offense. I’m not brilliant enough to know how.

  14. Hankflorida April 28th, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Hope Cano does well on the Fallon show instead of the field the next few nights. Young power hitters are expensive and older ones come cheaper. Build an offense of younger contact hitters with speed and sprinkle in some older power guys and you have Cashman’s vision for getting under the cap. But the rub is, you must spend on pitching to get to October.

  15. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    Luis,

    One brilliant idea–add offense. I’m not brilliant enough to know how.

    ==================

    LMAO!!! You always have brilliant ideas my friend… I wish I knew how ;)

  16. luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    I have an early start tomorrow, so I will bid all a very good night

  17. chicken_stanley April 28th, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    mac- your brilliant idea has been noted and recorded for posterity. :)

  18. chicken_stanley April 28th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    night Luis

  19. bigdan22 April 28th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    luis April 28th, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    “We need a 3B for next season..Good call on Choi Chip”

    ——

    I don’t think so Luis. What the Yanks need next year is a SS. I don’t see the Yanks spending $ on a new third baseman while paying their DH $22MM.

    BTW, has anybody seen Tulo’s splits lately. His away splits are almost as bad as Zoilo’s right-handed splits. Ok, that’s an exaggeration but the home/away splits for Tulo so far this year are absurd.

    BTW, my boy Zoilo just got his first right-handed hit tonight. A line drive two-out two run single with the bases loaded knocking in the tying and go-ahead runs. This guy really needs to play in the major leagues like now.

  20. luis April 28th, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    It remains to be seen what Arod can do at 3B after a one year hiatus..But yeah, a SS would be ideal..Don’t know if we can get one..A 3B seems to be easier

    We need to send Ichi-san packing..Not happening though..But one thing is sure..Ichiro won’t be able to sustain the kind of production he has been having… I am a big supporter of Zoilo, he looked ready to me in ST.

    Chicken,

    Likewise..Now Good night for real..I am spent

  21. pete2 April 28th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Tanakas slider and splitter have been outstanding, and his fast ball effective against LHB’ers. RHB’ers doing some damage off the fastball though

    http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....8;b_hand=R

    Its sobering that a 2.27 ERAcan have you ranked 11th best in the AL. Year of the pitcher.

    However, it should be noted that of the top 30 SP’ers based on ERA, only 6 are in the AL East. Tanakas ERA is 2nd in the AL east behind only Buehrle who should see his inflate over the next couple of starts.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock April 28th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    That’s why [he didn’t run hard],” Sabathia said. “Because he played 160 games every year. Every inning of every game.”

    The tradeoff: Cano wouldn’t blow out a hamstring to get two or three extra bases per year, and in return, he contributed – and participated – at an elite level. His “hustle” came in the form of showing up four or five hours before first pitch before night games and never requesting a day off.

    “He had a lot of talent, but Robbie worked at it, too,” Derek Jeter said. “He’d be here early. He got his work in. It’s not just like he’s going out there and just playing on ability. He’s got a lot of ability, but he works extremely hard at it. He kept improving a lot throughout the years.”

    “He was always here hitting early. You always saw him taking ground balls,” Sabathia echoed. “Somebody like that, when the game comes easy to him, it’s good to see that he still does work as hard as he does and takes it seriously.”
    ////

    Well said, C and DJ.

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock April 28th, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    IOW, only losers will boo Robi.

  24. chicken_stanley April 28th, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    pete2- I was more impressed by Tanaka’s start yesterday than any so far… He showed the ability to grind and be successful when his stuff/command/whatever was not his best… I know that’s something that can’t be qualified, but I’m more optimistic than ever about Tanaka.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock April 28th, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    “Robbie played every day,” Jeter said. “He’s one of those guys, it was very, very rare not to see him in the lineup. He wanted to play every day. That’s the only way you can do that. You’ve got to be healthy, but you also have to want to do it.”

    The Yankees’ captain will not hand out platitudes just to placate a reporter. If you’ve won his approval, as Cano clearly did, then you probably have done OK for yourself.
    ///

    :D

  26. Reunion April 28th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    loved Robbie when he was here, but he walked for money.

    i am going to each game this series to boo him.

  27. pete2 April 28th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    Attendance in Tanaka starts at YS3

    39,412 (Bal)
    36,569 (Cubs)-weekday day game
    40,028 (Angels)

    Yankee average 41,746

    Bit surprised at that to be honest. Even discounting the Cubs game, no bump. Of course, its only 2 games and its April. If he keep pitching like this I think there should be a bump at some point

  28. pete2 April 28th, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    chicken_stanley April 28th, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    pete2- I was more impressed by Tanaka’s start yesterday than any so far… He showed the ability to grind and be successful when his stuff/command/whatever was not his best… I know that’s something that can’t be qualified, but I’m more optimistic than ever about Tanaka.
    ==============================

    I am a nervous nellie as they say, but one of the things to watch out for with Tanaka as the season progresses is the toll starting every 5 days takes on his stuff. Perhaps command is one thing he loses a bit. Of course, it may be just one of those games.

    Tanaka had that reputation in Japan as someone who beared down with runners on base and got out of trouble. I followed Daisuke quite close and Tanaka kind of looked like him (first 2 years) yesterday with the walks and pitching out of trouble. What differentiates Tanaka from Daisuke is his secondary stuff (slider and splitter) are out pitches that are order of magnitudes better than what Daisuke had, so I don’t expect to see as many of these type games.

  29. pete2 April 28th, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    Reunion April 28th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    loved Robbie when he was here, but he walked for money.
    =====================

    Most of us would have ran for it. 70 million difference in a place with no state or municipal taxes. No brainer for him. Yankees showed him the gate and he went, just like Ellsbury did with the Red Sox.

  30. michaellord6 April 28th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    Unfortunately, I have finals to study for and can’t make the trip to NYC for Cano’s return. I hope he doesn’t get booed too much. He was almost the entire Yanks offense last year and played in as many games as anyone in his time here. I wish he was still a Yankee but money is money I guess.

    I’ll be a little sad watching Cano play against the Yanks. A sweep would go a long way towards helping me forget about Robbie.

  31. SweetSpot April 28th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    “They said that he didn’t busted from home to first because he wanted to stay healthy in order to play everyday.”

    Of all the pathetic non-sportsmanlike excuses for not hustling this has to take the cake. I find it hard to believe that is a direct quote from Jeter and Sabathia, but if it is, hopefully they are just explaining what he said to them and not endorsing that behavior.

    I can just imagine Lombardi, Wooden, Rockne, Auerbach, Stengel and Mack telling their star players not to hustle, so they could stay healthy. Surreal. I could care less if Cano gets booed or cheered, he’s a non-entity to me; another ballplayer wearing the wrong uniform.

  32. yankeefeminista April 28th, 2014 at 11:49 pm

    Nice job, Robi! Cheer cheer cheer cheer cheer! :)

  33. liquifilm April 28th, 2014 at 11:54 pm

    Sweet spot: See one Bryce Harper as counter to your point. Keith Law wrote a great peice about Bryce, Matt Williams and the value of false hustle (insider) the jist of it; false hustle didn’t win anyone any games ever and calling Bryce out for not busting it down the line may be why Bryce is on the 60 day DL.

  34. pete2 April 28th, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    More meaningless rankings

    Yankees 3rd in HR/AB in AL at home, last in HR/AB on the road. Taking Banjos on the road, and keeping the bombs at home. Must be TSA regulations :)

  35. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 12:11 am

    SweetSpot April 28th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    “They said that he didn’t busted from home to first because he wanted to stay healthy in order to play everyday.”

    Of all the pathetic non-sportsmanlike excuses for not hustling this has to take the cake. I find it hard to believe that is a direct quote from Jeter and Sabathia, but if it is, hopefully they are just explaining what he said to them and not endorsing that behavior.

    =====================

    You see Beltran doing the same thing. Most of us are giving him a pass since we don’t want him getting hurt on such plays. Cano hustled when it counted, but the fact he missed only 13 games in 7 years suggests he was a gamer since I don’t think any player can be 100% healthy playing that much

  36. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 12:29 am

    I’ll answer this way. Has anyone ever, ever seen Derek Jeter not bust it to first? Even on a routine ground ball?

    Liquifilm – Harper is on the DL because he slid head first. That’s not hustle, that is just stupid. Research has shown sliding head first doesn’t get you to the base any faster.

  37. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 12:33 am

    I do not agree with the “means justifies the end” mentality. Some players cheat and take steroids because it results in better performance. Some don’t hustle because they believe they will stay healthier. What kind of message does that send to kids? Cheat and don’t hustle all the time. Is that what sports has become?

  38. Reunion April 29th, 2014 at 12:34 am

    “I’ll answer this way. Has anyone ever, ever seen Derek Jeter not bust it to first? Even on a routine ground ball?” yes, Jeter moseyed out of the box in the home opener and nearly got gunned out at second base.

    “Research has shown sliding head first doesn’t get you to the base any faster” research proves that sliding head first gets you to first base slower than running through the bag.

  39. UnKnown April 29th, 2014 at 12:35 am

    I will take C’s and The Captain’s word on whether Cano was lazy or not over some ungrateful fans.

    JMO of course. :grin:

  40. UnKnown April 29th, 2014 at 12:38 am

    “IOW, only losers will boo Robi.”

    Hey if the boo fits, amarite… :lol:

    I’m outty.

  41. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 12:40 am

    That’s your right Unknown. But I would consider the term “ungrateful” would best be applied to someone who turned down $175 million dollars and then had the temerity to say and I quote.

    “I didn’t feel respect. I didn’t get respect from them.”

  42. bigdan22 April 29th, 2014 at 12:41 am

    Would you trade Sanchez for Mookie Betts? I think I would.

  43. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 12:45 am

    Yes I have seen DJ not bust it down the line on routine plays that only have one outcome I have also seen the same jeter hurt his quad running out a grounder just last seaaon. As for head first slides reseaech says its a matter of timing. Harper possibly doesn’t make that play if his rookie manager doesn’t publicly call him out while giving a free pass to other older guys. False hustle on routine plays is for self righteous chumps. Harper is the perfect example, he hustles more than any player WHEN IT COUNTS but running out a tapper to the pitcher is just asking for trouble.

  44. Jerkface April 29th, 2014 at 12:47 am

    Harper hurt his thumb sliding into third.

  45. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 12:48 am

    Bigdan maybe not Sanchez but if at the end of the season baneulos is going good then maybe a package around him and some outfielders. Much better option than Utley.

  46. Jerkface April 29th, 2014 at 12:49 am

    Its never smarter to slide into first. Its the only bag where its always a force so theres no threat of a tag. You just have to run through it.

    Sliding into the other bases is situational on if you have to avoid a tag or not.

  47. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 12:50 am

    Cano also admitted complaining to Girardi about not wanting to hit second in the lineup. Of course he didn’t want to hit second, because that would mean less RBI’s and other stats in his walk year. Let’s be real about this.

    And he was also unhappy the Yankees gave Ellsbury a seven-year, $153 million dollar deal. I guess making $22 million dollars more would make me upset too. Not.

    There are two sides to the Cano debate and to those who want to cheer him and bemoan his departure under these circumstances, I respect those opinions. I just don’t happen to share them and I am explaining why.

    I understand baseball is a business but worth considering in that context is this question. “How much money does a person need?” And although, they are far from players I would embrace for obvious reasons, I would point out both Pedroia and Lester were amenable to taking less money to remain with the Red Sox.

  48. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 12:54 am

    luis April 28th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    I created him, so you could deliver him..Beat that!!

    Sperm donor.

    I am the oracle!

  49. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 12:56 am

    I don’t recall Jeter ever injuring himself giving a Jeterian effort running out ground balls that were probably outs.

    There is a lot of room between what Cano does and pulling a hamstring. All anyone was ever asking is a Jeterian effort, not risking injury or “false hustle”.

  50. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 1:01 am

    Spot: no doubt that Cano had ego issues, possibly fed to him by Jay Z and I didn’t even think it made much financial sense for him to leave and I am completely okay with booing him but I’m not going to call him out on his “lack of hustle” because there are many other legitimate reasons to not like his departure.

  51. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 1:04 am

    Also, most people did not say Cano was not a hard worker or didn’t hustle otherwise.

  52. CompassRosy April 29th, 2014 at 1:10 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 28th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
    IOW, only losers will boo Robi.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Apparently, some got to practice booing today ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b9rOji_PWY

  53. Hankflorida April 29th, 2014 at 1:10 am

    pete2 April 28th, 2014 at 11:58 pm
    More meaningless rankings
    Yankees 3rd in HR/AB in AL at home, last in HR/AB on the road. Taking Banjos on the road, and keeping the bombs at home. Must be TSA regulations

    I am waiting for the Bronx Banjo’s to rear its ugly head at home with the hope that the pitching will keep the Yanks on a level playing field. I always had that comfort following the Yankees all these years that if they fell behind, the Bronx Bombers would take off with that three run homer always in sight. During my 75 years of attending games, the Yankees never had many super star pitchers who could blow people away only Gomez, Reynolds and Guidry are the ones that I remember, but they always depended on guys who knew how to pitch. It was always the “Murderers Row” that got the job done. Cleveland always had the great pitchers but never got the ring even pitching in Municiple Stadium with the fences almost out of reach for the long ball. Winning with pitching and not depending on the home run in a bandbox is a new philosophy, and if this team hits close to .300 with RISP, it can be done because that was what the Cleveland team with great pitching failed to do.

  54. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 1:11 am

    bbb: don’t really know what you mean by jeterian effort. Is there a certain speed you need to run at? Perhaps a certain percent of your max speed. The truth is that that is a false distinction you’re either running down the line or you’re not. Also I didn’t say he got injured running out a routine grounder he got injured running out a close ground ball, but what difference does it make if you’re “hustling” the injury risk is the same regardless of how difficult the play is for the feilders.

  55. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 1:14 am

    SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 12:50 am

    Cano also admitted complaining to Girardi about not wanting to hit second in the lineup. Of course he didn’t want to hit second, because that would mean less RBI’s and other stats in his walk year. Let’s be real about this.
    ——————————

    Telling your manager why something is not a good idea is not complaining in my mind. I always encouraged employees to to voice any concerns they had and I am sure any good manager does the same. At the end of a day, once a decision is made you expect the employee /player to go along with it and there is no evidence Cano did not do his best batting 2nd. I also think it was dumb on Girardis part myself, and Girardi figured it out in the end himself

  56. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 1:18 am

    My idle research of meaningless stats reveals to me that RHB’ers for the first time in MLB history have a higher OPS than LHB’ers.

    The LHB’er advantage has been dwindling the past few years and has now hit a critical point. I think its because the LHB’er strike zone has always been larger and the expanded strike zone for both sides in recent years has now reached a critical point for LHB’ers. It might be one reason Victorino has given up batting from the LH side, although Fenway is another reason.

    Its especially good news for LHP’ers who seem to have taken the most advantage of this.

  57. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 1:22 am

    SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 12:50 am

    I understand baseball is a business but worth considering in that context is this question. “How much money does a person need?” And although, they are far from players I would embrace for obvious reasons, I would point out both Pedroia and Lester were amenable to taking less money to remain with the Red Sox.
    ==============================

    Lester turned down 4/70. His market value is perhaps 6/130. Thats a 60 million differential. Cano took 70 million more to play in a place witha tax rate about 12% less.

    Pedroia was almost 3 yrs away from free agency. His pronounced H-A splits probably hurt him on the market since he is as much a product of Fenway as anything. In the end he got an addition 5/88 for his age 33-37 season. I don’t think he left anywhere near 70 million on the table.

  58. yankinvegas April 29th, 2014 at 1:30 am

    I always find it laughable how reporters who A – claim to not have any rooting interest and B – get in for free – try to tell fans what to do.
    Robinson Cano will probably get booed, and pretty strongly, not because he left the Yankees but because he stands by this BS that he turned down more money from the Yankees.
    Nothing pisses fans off more than when a player lies about money issues.
    I have claimed on this blog for months that there is a lot more to his departure than meets the eye from the Yankees’ point of view. I think the team was shocked by his abysmal postseason in 2012 and that they also believed he doesn’t have the personality to replace Jeter as the face of the team and the go to guy with the media jackals.
    The offer was generous and well thought out, but made to him knowing it would never be accepted. Plus fundamentally, the Yankees will NEVER again offer a 10 year deal to a player over 30. I also think the Yankees simply wanted to drastically alter the makeup of the team.

  59. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 1:38 am

    Good post yankinvegas.

  60. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 1:50 am

    I have never believed the Yankees reluctance to keep Cano at all costs was strictly a dollars and sense proposition. My personal take is that it was a combination of many factors which when added up led them to that conclusion. Some of which were mentioned above.

    Without weighting the items, I think it was their reluctance to give anyone else in their thirties a ten year deal, his lack of hustle, complaining about where he hit, his friendship with A-Rod, his playoff tank job, his arrogance and ego, his lack of leadership skills and although I have no proof of this and it’s just speculation on my part, I think there were more internal misgivings regarding Cano based on circumstances fans know nothing about.

  61. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 1:53 am

    “Robinson Cano will probably get booed, and pretty strongly, not because he left the Yankees but because he stands by this BS that he turned down more money from the Yankees.”

    He actually was offered a higher AAV by the Yankees, but players look at total guaranteed dollars first.

    Cano will get booed because he left the Yankees. Many posters here have said he should be willing to take less money for the honor of wearing pinstripes. Jeter never left a dime on the table, and neither do most fans.

    Its Ok, Cano is history, its ok to boo if it makes you feel good. Fans pay a lot of money to see these games, let them boo. 240 million big ones are enough protection from any boos, Cano will be fine.

  62. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 1:57 am

    I am sure the Yankees had good reasons Sweet Spot, I mentioned a big one but that is largely speculation on my part so I won’t repeat. Cano had 240 million big reasons to go to Seattle. I don’t think either side regrets their decision. Win-Win for both sides. Fans need a bad guy though, and Cano is wearing a different uniform, so he is fair game

  63. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 1:57 am

    Pete, Cano is no Jeter. Can we agree on that?

  64. NYYanksFan April 29th, 2014 at 2:22 am

    Cano will not get a video tribute at Yankee Stadium like Ellsbury got at Fenway.

  65. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 2:32 am

    liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 1:11 am
    bbb: don’t really know what you mean by jeterian effort. Is there a certain speed you need to run at? Perhaps a certain percent of your max speed. The truth is that that is a false distinction you’re either running down the line or you’re not. Also I didn’t say he got injured running out a routine grounder he got injured running out a close ground ball, but what difference does it make if you’re “hustling” the injury risk is the same regardless of how difficult the play is for the feilders.

    Really, you have only two speeds, running and not running?

  66. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 3:18 am

    bbb it doesn’t matter how many speeds you have. And how are we supposed to decide whether one players speed down the line is hustling while an others isn’t? What difference does it make to the outcome of the game if you’re going 60% or 100% or 10%. An out is an out regardless. That’s why I called the jeterian effort a false distinction. Running a little harder gas no benefit but has an increased cost. I think what you’re implying is that cano should have run a little faster so that people’s perception of him would be different. I would rather players focus on making a difference to the team by being out there everyday than care about false hustle.

  67. Against All Odds April 29th, 2014 at 3:20 am

    bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 1:04 am

    Also, most people did not say Cano was not a hard worker or didn’t hustle otherwise

    ———–

    The ppl that watched the games and are objective about it know that’s the case. But I think the majority of fans have made up their minds which is he never ran hard so he didn’t work hard.

  68. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 3:26 am

    The Cano skit on Fallon was clever and funny. Cano should thank his PR people and Fallon for taking the edge of his return. He said all the right things in the sit down, he was well prepared.

    An aside. The Emma Stone lip sync was brilliant. Fallon is so good, I believe that when he retires he will go down as one of the greatest entertainers of all times. He’s like a five tool star in baseball. He can sing, dance, do standup, interviews and impersonations.

  69. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 3:28 am

    liquifilm – the answer is leadership; setting an example. It’s why Jeter is the captain and the most respected player in baseball.

  70. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 3:39 am

    No, I don’t care about appearances, I think running hard enough (say 75%) will get you maybe 2 or 3 hits more per year. You add that up over 9 spots in the lineup and you could end up with another win or two, which can make a big difference at the end of the year.

  71. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 3:50 am

    Jeter is not the captain or the most respected player because he runs down the line (he doesn’t do it every time either) try the million other reasons that are more valid. Also like I said before, its funny how his perception among some fans is now more important than his you know actual performance on the field. Also if busting down the line is now required for leaders David ortiz may have missed the memo.

  72. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 3:50 am

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  73. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 3:53 am

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  74. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 3:56 am

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  75. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 4:00 am

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  76. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 4:37 am

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  77. Poetkiosk April 29th, 2014 at 5:28 am

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  78. liquifilm April 29th, 2014 at 5:53 am

    Okay well I’ll leave you with this article that makes my point adequately (although its probably an overestimation because of above average runners that are included in the sample). It estimates that cano gets 4 less singles a season but that if he were to miss even 7 days of the season trying to leg out those four singles any benefit would be totally lost. So like I said false hustle didn’t win anyone anything.
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  79. pkyankfan69 April 29th, 2014 at 6:15 am

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    That was a terrific piece on MT’s inspiration for Mr. Splitty.

    I have long been an advocate of the pitch.

    IMO it has been generally underappreciated in the States.

    It is a myth that it is unusually hard on the arm.

    It is certainly no more stressful than throwing a steady diet of sliders IMO.

    I think Tanaka has perfected the pitch and as such will open eyes here in the states as to it’s
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    I would like to see it replace the circle change as the go to off speed pitch here in the States.

    In that sense Tanaka might lead the way.

    ;)

  81. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 6:25 am

    A smart pitching coach (perhaps not Rothschild) would be watching Tanaka flat-out dominate
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    I would expect more pitchers on the Yankees and elsewhere to at least experiment w Mr. Splitty.

    It might restore the split to it’s proper place in the pitching world instead of it being pretty much thought of almost like a knuckle ball.

    The Japanese pitchers have a proper appreciation of the split-finger and make extensive use of it.

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  83. Poetkiosk April 29th, 2014 at 7:26 am

    btw Cano will be booed mercilessly tonight.

    Also, this notion that running hard to first or throwing quickly would have made Cano miss days is absurd. Well its beyond absurd, so whatever that is – absurd X infinity maybe :)

  84. pat April 29th, 2014 at 8:07 am

    Hysterical Fallon skit because it’s so true.

    Heckle and boo throughout the game and then push a small child out of the way to get the same guys autograph after it.

  85. Giuseppe Franco April 29th, 2014 at 8:09 am

    I’ve never understood why some fans think it’s some kind of badge of honor to boo their own guys at the Stadium (or former players like Cano tonight).

    It’s juvenile and reflects more on those booing than it does their intended target.

    Sure, Cano will get booed and he probably won’t care. Nor should he.

    And he’ll undoubtedly be jacked and will probably have a good series.

  86. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 8:11 am

    Pretty slow morning.

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  87. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 8:14 am

    If I were in the stands I’d give Cano a warm welcome his 1st AB.

    After that he is fair game.

    ;)

  88. Madrugador April 29th, 2014 at 8:17 am

    I won’t be at the game tonight but if I were, I would politely applaud when Cano first came to the plate. After that, I might gently boo him in the later innings if he hurt us with his bat.

    Still cool and rainy in the mid Atlantic. Isn’t it almost May?!

  89. 86w183 April 29th, 2014 at 8:43 am

    Good morning all… I guess everyone is starting slowly today

    I would stand and applaud Cano as he came to the plate in the first inning.

    Then I would ignore him like I do all opposing players.

  90. pat April 29th, 2014 at 8:45 am

    There is something funny about a writer who spent the last 10 years writing columns about how you can’t tell fans what to do when it comes to booing now writing column they shouldn’t boo Cano. :wink:

  91. pat April 29th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    After months to think it over, the Yankees have decided against a video tribute for Robinson Cano, the expatriate who’s returning to the Stadium for the first time tonight as a Mariner. Pity the Bombers aren’t taking the high road with Cano, who just happened to get lucky with a $240 million contract. He’s hardly Darth Vader. Put it this way: If the Red Sox could be gracious enough to memorialize Jacoby Ellsbury’s tenure at Fenway last week – including playing his walk-up music before his first at-bat — it wouldn’t hurt the Yankees to do the same for Cano. Ellsbury admitted he was “surprised” by his former employers’ gesture, but more than that, he said, “I was touched.”

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  92. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    MTU not all pitchers are able to throw an effective splitter because their fingers are not long enough.

  93. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Phelps w a big chance tonight.

    Let’s see what he brings.

    BOL David.

  94. Lohuddite April 29th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    MTU April 29th, 2014 at 8:51 am
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    I think the Yankees are using the off day to skip that spot in the rotation, so CC should be getting the start tonight.

  95. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 8:58 am

    SS-

    That is true but most are IMO.

    It isn’t as magically difficult as it is made out to be.

    For example, take Kuroda.

    His fingers do not appear to be overly large.

    It is probably more about flexibility than size.

    I think Tanaka’s particular variation of the grip makes it even easier.

    Bottom line: Even if it isn’t for everyone more guys should be trying it.

    ;)

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  97. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    Lohud-

    Thanks for the correction.

    I guess he gets Pineda’s next turn thru.

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  99. Yankee Trader April 29th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Good morning
    Did you see the Yankee Fans booing a cardboard cutout of Cano?

    Actually pretty funny.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....prank.html

  100. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Nice thing about Cano is he is a free swinger and you can get him to chase pitches out of the
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    :)

  101. 86w183 April 29th, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Sabathia probably doesn’t need extra rest, but they should throw Phelps tomorrow to give Kuroda an extra day. i agree it’s a very big night for David Phelps.

    The splitter is not an easy pitch to command. The spread between your index and middle finger is crucial and more important than finger length — however having both is ideal.

    It’s just like every pitcher has a knuckleball but most can’t control or command it.

  102. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 9:05 am

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    Their rotation has been decimated.

    Having to install guys like Bedard, Ramos, and Odorizzi weakens them greatly.

    They should have Cobb and Hellickson back soon.

  103. Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 9:05 am

    a rainout thursday basically wipes out the suspension…

    weather.com says 90% chance of rain both wed and thurs.

  104. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 9:05 am

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  105. MTU April 29th, 2014 at 9:07 am

    86-

    I guess most of the Japanese pitchers are born w extremely long and flexible fingers because
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    ;)

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