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Pineda to miss three to four weeks

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 29, 2014 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

PinedaMichael Pineda will be shut down for 10 days and miss a total of three to four weeks after today’s MRI showed a Grade 1 strain of the teres major muscle in his upper back. It’s basically a muscle kind of between his shoulder and his lat.

Pineda felt discomfort after one inning of a simulated game today in Tampa. He flew back to New York and was examined by Dr. Chris Ahmad tonight. It was Ahmad who made the final diagnosis.

Through a team spokesman, general manager Brian Cashman said he wasn’t sure yet whether Pineda would immediately go on the disabled list or wait until after his current suspension is over.

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  1. pat April 29th, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    DPLennon
    With Cano getting loud boos, Sabathia asked why Ellsbury had more of cheer/boo mixture in Boston. “They showed a video,” CC said. #yankees

  2. Your Name Here April 29th, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    Should move the talk off of if he can pitch without pinetar.

  3. Jerkface April 29th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    I think Cashmans estimation is optimistic, at least according to this:

    http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/39/10/2181.abstract

    Management and Outcomes of Latissimus Dorsi and Teres Major Injuries in Professional Baseball Pitchers

    Results: Fifteen of 16 pitchers (94%) returned to the same or higher level of play. The mean time to throwing was 35.6 days. Mean time to pitching was 61.9 days. Nine of 16 injuries (56%) were season-ending. Mean total time lost for athletes returning the same season was 82.4 days. Two of 16 pitchers (13%) sustained recurrent injuries. Prior shoulder and elbow injuries were noted in 75% (12 of 16).

    Conclusion: Injury of the LD and/or TM can occur in pitchers. Nonoperative treatment is successful in allowing a return to high-level pitching.

  4. Your Name Here April 29th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    And Ells played every game for the Sox.

  5. UnKnown April 29th, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    Karma for Pineda cheating. What can you say… :wink:

    Going to have to really dig deep now and not give away games like tonight. Absolutely can’t blow games like this one many more times and be playing in October.

    Yeah yeah I know the Yankees had no chance – rain, umps, cold, umps, wind, umps, stadium lighting, umps, concession stands, umps, PA announcer, umps, video board, umps, infield dirt, umps and oh the umps. I mean with all those things against the Yanks tonight we just have to give them a pass. Les Miserables :lol:

  6. Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    rs fans showed alot more class with ells than yankees fans did tonight.

    jeter expected a standing O for cano.

  7. Doreen April 29th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    CC said he was not surprised there was that much booing, and asked a Reporter back, “were you?” And then he said, “it’s New York.”

  8. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    Sabathia is only 1/2 right since he got some cheers before the video.
    I think Red Sox fans knew Ellsbury was going as they had a replacement in JBJ so don’t blame him Ellsbury as much. The Yankees had no real options and made a more serious bid to keep Cano, and he scorned them for a lousy team. The fact that the money differential was the same is lost on some fans, but the fact there was no real in-house option for Cano as replacement made it hurt more. Plus Red Sox fans are coming off a championship season and are more mellow as a result. Yankees missed the post season entirely and its been all of 4 years since they won a championship. The fans are hungry and bitter.

  9. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    They should stretch Betances out and have him start, you can’t have both Nuno and Phelps starting, that’s too much suckage, too much reliance on the fielding.

  10. Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    you want to see suckage, you should have seen betances’ last 2 seasons of starting.

  11. G. Love April 29th, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    This is what you get relying on a guy coming off major shoulder surgery. The pine tar nonsense aside, the plan going into the season was shotty. Props to luis for spotting Pineda favoring and trying to stretch out the arm in Boston. Apparently, only a guy on a blog noticed anything as the team thought he was just ducky outside of the glob of goo on his face.

    All the reserve starters were turned into relievers who have to build themselves up to starters again. Great.

    Too bad Stephen Drew & Kendry Morales can’t pitch.

  12. Doreen April 29th, 2014 at 11:39 pm

    Even if Betances would be more consistent than he was, he is throwing too many pitches right now. His outings have been about 40 pitches each time, but over 2-ish innings. That’s not efficient.

  13. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 11:41 pm

    Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
    you want to see suckage, you should have seen betances’ last 2 seasons of starting.

    I see what I see now. He has better control and the lack of hits makes up for the higher walk rate, as his whip is still under 1. He has the 2nd or 3rd best stuff on the team.

    It can’t hurt to try, if he fails just make him a reliever again.

  14. G. Love April 29th, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    I agree with Doreen. I haven’t seen enough efficiency out of Betances to put him in the rotation. He’d be at 100 pitches in the 4th some nights.

    It’s a shame because he has some of the best stuff on the team.

    Yankees actually should be looking for a starter now who can give innings. With Nova gone, Pineda injured and suspended and everyone but Tanaka struggling, this team needs starting pitching.

    Not sure where you find it in May outside of dumpster diving.

  15. Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 11:43 pm

    what he is now is because they made him a relief pitcher.

    and it CAN hurt to mess with that.

  16. Doreen April 29th, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    Tanaka is the only guy you can mentally count on to go 7 innings. That 4 days where you know without a doubt your BP is going to be over-depended upon. And they’re a player short until Monday.

  17. Captain Clutch April 29th, 2014 at 11:47 pm

    The way that the Yanks starting pitching is going it looks like we might see Aceves up here soon. Ouch…

  18. Tar April 29th, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    rs fans showed alot more class with ells than yankees fans did tonight.

    jeter expected a standing O for cano.”

    You can say the same thing for the Sox organization over the Yankee organization.

    Ellsbury got a video tribute……Cano got “he’s all about the money” and “he’s a dog” chants from the Yankee organization.

    Somehow over the last few years Cashman has managed to swap places with the Sox.

    If it wasn’t for the respect and class of Mariano and Jeter……

  19. Reunion April 29th, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    “Props to luis for spotting Pineda favoring and trying to stretch out the arm in Boston.”

    This is such a load of baloney.

    Do away with the love affair, would you.

    His injury had nothing to do with what happened in the Boston game at Fenway.

  20. pete2 April 29th, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    G. Love April 29th, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    This is what you get relying on a guy coming off major shoulder surgery. The pine tar nonsense aside, the plan going into the season was shotty. Props to luis for spotting Pineda favoring and trying to stretch out the arm in Boston. Apparently, only a guy on a blog noticed anything as the team thought he was just ducky outside of the glob of goo on his face.

    All the reserve starters were turned into relievers who have to build themselves up to starters again. Great.

    Too bad Stephen Drew & Kendry Morales can’t pitch.
    =====================

    Boras is teaching Drew how to pitch as we speak. Already bought him a catchers mitt and 1B mit to no avail. LOL

    I noticed Pineda stretching a lot in the 1st inning against Boston as well, and I doubt the Yankees missed it.

    This could actually be good news since its not the labrum and may have been behind his velocity drop. I think the Yankees tend to let pitchers throw through these issues. Many pitchers do not feel 100% and you can’t shut guys down every time they have soreness and tightness. I do think the Yankees don’t do a good job of determining what is typical soreness and what is more than that that warrants rest.

  21. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 11:51 pm

    So far Betances is averaging 18 pitches per inning, that’s a little too much but I think he could get it down to 15.

  22. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 11:51 pm

    Betances failed as a starter, just made the team and still has to prove himself in the long run out of the pen. There are lots of pitchers with great “stuff” that don’t fulfill the potential that fans and the media predict for them. I personally think Betances is a really good pitcher that is still learning his craft and that he will get better with more experience and . . . by not being rushed. There is no rush, none at all.

  23. SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 11:55 pm

    As far as Cano is concerned, I think the judgments here are far too serious. It’s a game, booing is part of baseball folklore and it’s just good fun. So what if he is booed or cheered, nothing could be less important. It has nothing to do with class, respect or anything so ponderous. The fans dig expressing themselves . . . go for it.

  24. Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    so we tell him to throw less pitches, then we send him back down and make him add another pitch to his repetoire (which giving up helped make him succeed) and stretch him out to longer outing (which he was unable to handle in the past).

    nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan, right? instant staff ace, right?

  25. bbb51 April 29th, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    Ys Guy April 29th, 2014 at 11:43 pm
    what he is now is because they made him a relief pitcher.

    and it CAN hurt to mess with that.

    I think it has more to do with pitching from the stretch, that’s what allowed more consistent mechanics. A starter throws between starts to stay sharp.

  26. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 12:00 am

    If you guys think Phelps and Nuno are better options then ok, we’ll see.

  27. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 12:02 am

    well, betances last full season as a starter, he posted a 6.44 era between scranton and (after a demotion) trenton, so yeah, i’d say nuno and phelps are better options to start.

  28. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 12:05 am

    2012 is irrelevant.

  29. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 12:09 am

    oh, ok his entire starting career doesnt count. makes sense to me!

  30. bbb51 April 30th, 2014 at 12:13 am

    In 2012 he was still pitching from the windup.

  31. pete2 April 30th, 2014 at 12:15 am

    SweetSpot April 29th, 2014 at 11:51 pm

    Betances failed as a starter
    ===================

    Randy Johnson through age 25 in the minors walked 6 batters per 9 IP. He was considered a failure too. Found a way to reign in his control. Betances is a big guy like Randy, it takes them a bit of time to find a way to control their pitches. He will always be prone to walks and bouts of wildness, but maybe his experience in the pen has helped him in ways that allow him to be a better starter. Yankees have plenty of BP arms on the 25 man and in the system. Quality SP’ers are in short supply. Maybe it does not work, if not back to the pen, but its worth a try IMO.

  32. SweetSpot April 30th, 2014 at 12:16 am

    Perhaps the Yankees will come to that conclusion pete, I don’t see it happening.

  33. Ys Guy April 30th, 2014 at 12:28 am

    guy finally has some success and….

  34. yankinvegas April 30th, 2014 at 12:30 am

    I figure that Pineda will be for 2 months. If he is back before then, fine. Even in a mediocre division, our starting pitching is now deficient.
    It is too early to trade, though I would approach the Cubs to se what they want for Samardjica. If not, I would let Banuelos have a few more starts in the minors at AA and AAA and then call him up by Memorial Day at the latest.
    By the way, we now know how Mets fans felt with Beltran looking at strike three!
    Less consequences here though , I admit.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2014 at 12:30 am

    Betances could probably get through six innings in about 95 pitches at this rate.

    There is nothing wrong with that at all.

    Further, he’d be fully integrating his change, giving him an extra plus weapon.

    He has barely had trouble throwing strikes now in like a year and a half, ever since they ditched the windup.

    That’s enough of a sample size, combined with his absolutely dominant stuff, to attempt a reconversion (and the fact that they haven’t considered that the changes they’ve made with him could be just as applicable to longer stretches).

    There is no good reason not to do this; the only thing stopping them would be their inflexibility.

    Of the options they have, Betances is a slam dunk as the guy most likely to be able to shut down a lineup multiple times through the order, and although he may throw a fair amount of pitches, how is that likely to provide less length than a guy who gets hit the second and third time around and needs to be given the hook early any way?

    And if you’re conocerned about Betances’ inefficiencies, where does that leaves Phelps? He threw 60 pitches in his last outing of two innings. Nuno was done in 4.1 in his last start.

    The difference, too, is that Betances has put-away stuff; hitters aren’t going to stand up there fouling off pitch after pitch, especially if he’s adding another offspeed offering, plus he just doesn’t give up solid hits very often. The idea is to get outs.

    With Nova and Pineda down, you gain another strikeout artist with a big fastball. If it doesn’t click, as I’ve said now ’til I’m blue in the face, you move him back to the pen: what’s the big deal, here?

    Betances to the rotation = no brainer.

  36. Eric in the ATL April 30th, 2014 at 12:43 am

    On the bright side, if Pineda comes back strong in June we won’t have to worry as much about him exceeding his innings limit and he could pitch in the postseason. That is, of course, if we make it to the postseason.

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    Surprising that NYY fans boo Robber Cano The team is a band of mercenaries. It shouldn’t be a surprise that a homegrown thug want’s to be come a mercenary? No, money is the only currency that speaks the language of the greedy.

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